WEBVTT - TOM's Talks | An Interview With Matisse Thybulle 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.640 This podcast is part of the seventy Sixers Podcast network 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:09.399 search seventy Sixers podcast wherever you get your pods. This 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:13.080 week's edition of Tom's Talks features seventy Sixers guard small 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:17.360 forward Matisse Thible among the league leaders and steals, deflections, 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:21.439 and for his position blocks. Thible's numbers are amazing for 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.639 a second year player. Furthermore, his overall defense is rare 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.840 in an Eric chock full of so many offensive talents 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:33.040 off the court. His video diaries or vlogs captured the 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.360 attention of a white swath of America during the NBA 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:40.360 bubble last summer in Orlando. He's an incredibly well rounded 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.319 and likable seventy Sixers players. And here's my conversation with 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:50.519 Matisse Thible. Welcome to another edition of Tom's Talks, and 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:54.800 we're joined by Sixers guard forward Matise Thible. Matise, thank 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:56.960 you so much for doing this. I totally appreciate it. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.680 And for you guys to go home after Boston have 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.560 a little break in the road trip must feel good. Yeah, 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.040 it's been. It's been. It's been a tough stretch. We've 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.679 had a long West coast trip and then to come 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.880 back and then get right back on the road. Any 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.560 days we can get in Fili are good days for you. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.200 Like what I mean, this pandemic has been tough on 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.360 all kinds of people, including all of us. But when 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.720 you think back in your first two years years from now, 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.840 you're gonna go, WHOA, that was a lot in terms 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.200 of the disrupted season. Yes, last year, and then everything 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.039 that's involved in this year and two coaches have been 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.720 a lot of change. Yeah, it's kind of funny, Like I'm, 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:36.120 like you said, I'm going to look back on these 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.040 years and just being a part of them. It's like 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.760 I yet to experience a normal NBA season at the 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:43.560 end of the season. I have been two years in 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:46.479 and it's like I haven't played a normal eighty two 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.840 games yet. And I mean, I'm taking it as they come, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.080 rolling with the punches, but I'm excited for things to 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.720 get back to normal so I can see what the 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:58.360 NBA's supposed to be like. But to be winning and 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.360 to be in a position you guys are and makes 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.800 it a little bit easier, I would think, right, winning 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:09.280 makes everything better. Your season has been great, just it's amazing, 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:13.040 Like even that game against Boston with Joel I mean 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.040 you were you guys were so tired Sunday and understandably so, 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.840 had a little bit of a blip there, but then 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:21.920 two days later to have your MVP candidate and just 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:26.120 see what the possibilities are. It's just it's uplifting, is 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.200 it not. Yeah, I mean, I think the stretch that 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.200 the Roach are be going on without him, and then 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.040 last game to show how versatile we are as a 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.919 team and how talented we are as individuals as a collective, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.760 and with all of us healthy and everyone well rested, 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.720 I think it's gonna be It's gonna be hard for 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.000 a lot of teams to match up with us, and 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.600 especially on defense, which obviously you play play a big part, 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.200 but as a player, you know, and certainly early in 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.880 the game you were watching from the sideline. Like what 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.360 I think people don't under stand. They talk about Joel 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:04.200 with rim protection, but and you know this from going 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.919 up against big players like a Yokitch or whomever, but 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.000 their path to the basket beers off or they pull 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.919 up a dribble fitter. His impact is way more than 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.560 blocking shots. I mean, it's literally paint protection. To talk 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.720 about that. Yeah, that's one of those things that you 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:21.880 have to really have an eye for basketball or to 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.800 really know the game to see it, because as players 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.720 it's and for me specifically being a defender and I'm 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.880 playing with Joe and when I'm not, it's almost nine 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:33.600 and day just because of the impact he has on 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.840 the ball handler, because guys and you build up a 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.520 reputation in this league and these things stick, and Joe's 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.160 reputation being a rim protection, so guys are scared. Guys 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:43.760 don't want to go up against him. Guys defer a 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.320 lot of the times when they get downhills, So I 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.440 think it's guards like me a chance to get back 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.320 in front or get like my rear view contests when 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:51.840 guys try to pull up at the nail and I 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.640 get those blocks, it's he takes He takes the ball 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.480 handler's out of their comfort zone and it makes a 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:59.720 lot of opportunities for guys like need to make more plays. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.440 Did you then press out maybe a little bit more defensively, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.480 knowing that you have a insurance policy back there where 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.520 maybe you would sag just a hair or just that 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.200 if you didn't have them back there. Yeah, I think 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.800 we saw that. We saw that last game just with 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.200 how how intense we were on the ball, the ball 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.240 pressure hasn't picked up throughout the game because we kind 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:20.920 of remembered what it was like kept Joe Beck and 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:23.640 to realize that we have that that force back there, 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.160 that the land of defense going the rim, so we 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.920 could get into the ball handlers and that trickles down 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.880 through everything defensively. If you make it hard for the 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:34.880 ball handler, guys got to work harder to get open. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.760 Shots aren't coming on time, and it just goes out 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.080 one on a sink. Speaking of reputations, have you found 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.520 in your second year now that you have this league 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.400 wide reputation and with the officials that things and you 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.560 still i know, get some calls against you, but where 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.760 that's kind of carried a little bit more weight for 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.760 you both as as a player, with the opponents and 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.839 with the referees. Yeah, I will say I'm pleasantly surprised 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.400 with how quickly it kind of came on. But I 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.400 think the team, like my teammates, have done a great 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.640 job of building me up as being a defender and 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:11.839 then just for me to live up to the standard 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.160 they've set for me is kind of allowed this reputation 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:18.240 to build from other players to the referees, and it's 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.880 been nice to get the respect, but also with that 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.640 comes a greater challenge of trying to prove it not 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.760 in that out because now I'm tasked with guarding some 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.839 of the best players on the other team, and it's 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.560 their job every night to make sure whoever's guarding them 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:36.159 can't stop them. So it's a challenge and I'm excited 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.080 about it. I welcome at every game, but I'm definitely 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:40.919 excited about where I'm at in year two and just 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.960 what comes from the future. How much did the film 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.160 work where you guys are sitting down with the coaches 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.320 or you personally, where you're going over the tendencies of 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.279 the opposing players. Do you actually see that? Did you 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.000 see the translation in the game like, oh, he always 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:58.040 rejects the screen this guy, I know how this works 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:02.560 with this spelt. Does it come to fruition like that? Yeah, 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:05.279 we actually do a really good job with film, and 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:07.880 Doc pulled me aside early in the season and just 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.160 told me that tendencies, like you said, we're going to 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.400 be something that would set me apart this year and 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:15.600 come playoffs is what really allows you to lock guys down, 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:20.640 and I mean before games, we watch film and it's 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.880 like if if you see it at a home game, 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.800 if you're there early enough, you can see us. We 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.320 all go sit down and sometimes be groups of us 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.760 where we watch. We watched the film and one of 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.560 the video coordinators, d mac he we caught We basically 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:35.440 is like we're going to class. We called our two 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.760 credit Classic Defense and we go sit down and he's 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:41.120 breaking down guys tendencies and he also breaks it down 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.080 like player by players. So like for me, I'm going 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.120 to be guarding a lot of guards people coming off 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.920 of pin downs and dhos and ball screens, and knowing 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:54.040 tendencies in those situations will be different from like Tobias 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:55.920 or Mike Scott. We're gonna be guarding the guys saying 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.159 the screens and the way they break it down for 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.880 us really allows you to just have the success possible. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.680 When we were younger players, me, you know, you were 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.080 taught not to reach, and the whole thing in a 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.960 playground you reach out to teach all that, but you're 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:12.640 reaching is really kind of like a poke away. It's 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:14.760 almost like a precision. So one a you don't want 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.480 to get beat where you're in that position where you're 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.520 behind the guy. Yeah, but you're pretty adapt at poking 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:21.720 that ball without getting called for the fun because you're 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.600 not reaching across his body. You're just making one last 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:27.559 little effort, and oftentimes that poke away goes to Danny 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.200 or Ben or whomever. You talk about that for a moment. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.240 I'll talk about it, but I don't know that anybody, 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.720 any basketball coach or a parent who's listening to this 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.960 is gonna hate it. Because I'm growing up. This is 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.080 this is a play I've made and I've been doing 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:43.640 since I was a kid. Just for whatever reason, I 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.960 had to natural instinct for it. And every coach I've 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.240 ever played for us hated it. And I mean even 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.680 at this level, they don't like it. And you kind 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.679 of have to make exceptions. And this goes for defensive offense. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.400 But guys who take bad shots and make them you 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.080 kind of got to live with it. Guys who like you, 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.360 when I make that reach and get the steel, you 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:04.720 kind of got to live with it. And that's a 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.560 risk that I take. And it's like a calculated risk 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.640 I try to monitor in games is just not taking 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.200 too many but it's yeah, it's not a position you 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.680 necessarily want to put yourself in, but for some for 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.080 whatever reason, when I find myself in being able to 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:20.960 get my hands on enough, and you've even seen it 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.440 through Ben and Danny, I've been getting a lot of 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.960 them recently, and it's just been fun. And it's it 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.120 sucks as an offensive player just have the ball just 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:30.600 poked away from me like that and we're immediately in 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.319 a fast break. It's it's deflating for me. Last thought, 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.960 But try to sum it all up. The recipe that 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.280 makes you a great defender. You your length, you have 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:44.320 a huge wingspan, your athleticism, your intuition, and the want 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.640 a lot of people don't want to play. It's it's tough, 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.600 it's gritty, all of those things. But what say you? 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.320 What makes you a great defender? I think, and you 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.080 said it, But I've always said I just care. I 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:57.880 want to play defense, and I put in the effort 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:02.400 to play defense. And I think you've you've seen it. 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.800 And this is not a knock on Tobias, but he 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.480 hasn't really been a defender throughout his career. But I'd 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.920 say within these last two years that i've been with him, 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.680 like you've seen the growth. And Tobias is a defender 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.640 where we've we've put him on other guys, best players. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.520 We've we've watched him shutdown Julius Randall, We've watched him 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.760 last night shut down Jaln Brown. And for him, tobiases, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.680 he's been six nine and athletic and law for most 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.360 of his career, but he's developed this desire and I 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.400 think it's part of just a culture that we've created 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.280 here and that docs created here at the Sixers, and 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.160 and that's just defense. And the more people get bought in, 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.199 I think it's going to be more surprising the more 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:43.760 great defenders that we have, because at the end of 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:45.920 the day, we all have what it takes physically to 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:48.080 do it, and think about what it takes for us 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:49.640 to do it mentally, and it's just within us to 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.439 just want to put effort into it. Well said, speaking 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.960 of Tobias, he's your friend. He took you under his 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.440 wing as a rookie player. Part of what Coach Rivers 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.640 is trying to preach to you guys is, you know, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.360 the shared sacrifice, the camaraderie, what it takes to be 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.560 a successful team. That part of that is reveling in 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.800 the success of your teammates. Well, I don't think it 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.880 takes a lot for you to enjoy the play of 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:19.280 your friend. Your teammate Tobias Abert paris having an incredible season. 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.960 It has to bring you and your teammates great joy 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.600 to watch him and how he's excelling right that absolutely, 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.280 and I mean and like I just said, it is 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.079 both ends. Just watching him do it on both ends 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.840 at such a high level, and it's so cool to 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.800 be able to know you can count on someone as 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:39.760 consistently as he's played. It's just when it comes on 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.040 the crunch time or when it's things get slow and 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.600 we just know to run his play and get into 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.760 a spot and we got it better than what feels 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.000 like at he's gonna score by dodds. I feel like 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.520 when when devices binder stand the odds are always in 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.560 our favor, that's something's good, it's going to happen. And yeah, 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.880 as as his friend as a fan, like watching to 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.959 buyas this season has been so fun and then being 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.440 able to play with him just makes super better. And 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.120 I would imagine you guys have learned a lot from 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.040 each other. He's a little bit older, whether you guys 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.560 are going over books or going to a bookstore, and 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.360 then to take it even a level further for everything 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.160 we're going through as a country, but specifically last summer 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.160 with the marches and the efforts in the area of 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.360 social justice to when you were there, but to watch 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.440 your friend be a leader and show it and be 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.640 out there, that had to be special and pretty cool. No, 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.840 it's great. I mean, he he's influenced me to grow 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.319 in a lot of those areas where he's really devoted 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.800 and interested in. And like the march that you saw 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:44.680 us that he texted me and was like, hey, let's go. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.040 I was like, I'll be there. And he's for me. 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:50.079 He's been like a big brother and the greatest role 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.880 model and big brother and you could ask for. And 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.440 just being able to have him as someone you can 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.760 talk to and he's I mean now to buys me 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:01.960 and him talk about this offical things. We will discuss 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:06.880 lectures from Alan Watts and like reading things, and it's 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:08.920 it's just been it's been cool to see him going 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.200 and I think this it's kind of just been a 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.440 narrative of he's just been growing immensely as a human being. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.160 And to be a friend watching it a part of 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.400 it has been great and it just makes me more 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:22.840 and more excited to see what he has in the future, 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:28.559 hopefully more Golfer's commercials. That's great. Those are so funny. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.400 That's another great relationship. Let's turn if we could to 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:37.720 your vlogging, your video diaries, the YouTube and obviously like 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.760 photography and using the camera was a hobby for you. Yeah, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.240 but it went, you know, viral in the literal sense. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:48.480 It went national. It was crazy. People love seeing the 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.480 inside stuff, and you have a you're a very likable 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.959 person and a great personality, and you know, even as 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.560 we watched you go through the gift bag in Orlando 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.040 and you're like, oh, I don't like this, not like that, 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:04.640 people just really wrapped their arms around that and exploded. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:07.840 Tell me a little bit hard. I think for me 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.360 it was just kind of it was good timing. And 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.599 like you said, everyone wants to see the inside and 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.520 the bubble was one of the most closed off situations 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:20.680 that we've seen in sports, and for me to be 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:23.120 able to give people a glimpse, I think part of 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:24.719 me wants the thing that I did a good job, 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.200 but the other part of me as to acknowledge that 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.240 people were gonna watch regardless just because they wanted to 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.400 know what was going on. Yeah, I go on Twitter 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.160 occasionally and everything. I always see people tweeting like we 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:40.480 gonna start vlogging and making videos again, And you said it, 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.959 but for me, it started as a hobby and it 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:44.760 got to a point in the bubble where I was like, 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.080 this feels like it's my job, and I was like, 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.280 I can't lose sight of the fact that I'm here 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.120 because of my real job, and that's to be an 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.960 NBA player. And so for me, this season has been 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:58.079 mostly about finding myself on the court and like devoting 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.840 myself more so of that, and then when things get 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.920 more comfortable, if they ever get more comfortable, finding more 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.880 time to I do my hobbies, make videos, photos, those 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.760 kinds of things. As you said, other people did it, 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.280 but you did it better. I mean, you were really 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.000 really good at technical aspects. But like when we would 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.480 get the notification that like Matissa is going to be 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.280 talking to the La Times or the New York Times 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.920 Morning America definition of blowing up, that ended it. And 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.080 you were that when they brought you back to Philly 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.720 and I believe it was ESPN. You must have was 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.120 a pinch me moment. I would think, right, I mean 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:37.280 I would I would text my friends or call my 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.400 friends after. I think my agent called me and he 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.800 would be like, so Jimmy FOWLN once you be and 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.440 I'm like, okay, cool, cool, and then I would pick up, 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.480 I hang up, pick up my phone, call my friends, 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.880 mean you got Jimmy Fowl Like, I think, it was 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.920 so hard for me to wrap my mind because videos 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.200 photography is stuff I've done, like throughout my life, throughout college, 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.040 Me and my friends did it. We still do it 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.800 at similar levels. And to think that it became something 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.440 that was so big and so widely enjoyed, it's it's 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:11.400 still hard for me to believe. I sometimes go on 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.120 YouTube and if I see the views on those things, 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:18.120 I'm like, wow, it's incredible your generation, you know, like 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.760 the editing and when my kids are outside doing do 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.320 perfect shots and there's one like the dog shot, I'm like, 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.720 they're I'm giving that. So it's not that unnatural to 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:29.960 be to, you know, with the new medium and social 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.120 media and whatnot. But like when you went to Sedona 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.400 and you know, like you're and I was in television, 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.840 so I did photography and all that, so I know. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:42.040 But even today, like my kids are like my son's like, oh, 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.600 he had to run back and put the camera there 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.640 and get in order to get those walking shots. You know, 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.240 there's a there's a part of it that is like 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.280 more than just click and shoot, right, I mean, you 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:54.200 have to know a lot more. Yeah, And it for me, 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.480 like this is sometimes I'm pretty passionate about So I've 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.360 given a lot of time to learning like the art 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.800 of making a video and just I find a lot 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.800 of joy in the shooting of it and the editing 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.080 and yeah, so being able to go out there and 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.000 I've been I've been a fan of people who've created 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.560 in this field for a long time. So trying to 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.240 emulate my favorites like these guys like Casey Nice that 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.480 Peter McKinnon or YouTubers I've loved, and to be able 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:21.360 to put my own twist on things I've learned from them, 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.880 It's been cool, and it's just it's nice. I think 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.240 for other people, it's nice to see an athlete doing 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.280 things that they're also interested in or things that they 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:33.160 also enjoy outside of basketball. Because and all kids, everyone 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.120 my age and younger. We watch YouTube like that's what 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.640 we do and to sort of see an athlete that 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.240 they like also become a you tuber like the like 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.760 is I bring two worlds together. That just makes it 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.160 even better. And so as you go back on the road, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.200 you might end up guarding Zion. Oh my right, I 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.280 mean talk about that and just that you I know 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.840 you don't get ahead of yourself, but different players and 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.880 you might have to check Williamson. Yeah, yeah, I mean 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.320 it's every night, it's something different. Like I when we 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:07.399 were going to play who was it? When Blake Griffin 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.880 is on the pistons And I didn't even know it's 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.440 gonna guard Blake Griffin until the game it started, and 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:15.760 you look at you look at some of these physical 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.520 matchups and you're like, well, how can I gain an 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:20.639 advantage in this situation? And in that game, I was 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.800 able to find one and take advantage of it. And 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.520 I think going into this next game, I'll probably be 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.640 a little bit more prepared and just look for those 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:31.440 advantages that you can take because even though they're guys 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.080 are great in certain areas, they have everyone has weaknesses 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.040 you can exploit and it's just looking for those and 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.040 also having four other guys on the on the court 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.240 who can have my back and help me with my 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.040 weaknesses and let me play to my strengths. It bringing 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.680 the whole picture together is really when makes makes the 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:52.879 defensive team. Lastly, the stretch run is really packed. I 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:54.920 just looked at this week and may you guys play 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:59.280 five games in seven days, so there's a lot to 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:02.560 go before the playoffs. But what's the ceiling? How can 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:06.160 this end with the best possible outcomes for your team 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.239 of Philadelphia seventy six years. I mean, the way we 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.760 look at it, there's I don't think there's any games 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.800 on our counter that we mark as potential losses. We 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:19.040 go into every game expecting to win, and I think 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.359 at this point a lot of a lot of people 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.560 expect it too. And even though these the stretches brutal, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.479 it's not just us, Like as much as we complain 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.520 about being tired or banged up, every team are playing 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.600 against going to the same thing, some worse, and it's 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.480 just this. It's it's what's the NBA right now? And 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.719 like we said at the beginning of this, it's not 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.840 a normal year. And I haven't experienced one yet, but 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.840 this is why we're the pros. We had to be 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.720 able to adapt and be prepared to play at a 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:51.840 high level regardless. And I think it's just going to 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.720 be a mental a mental game at this point because 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.919 everyone physically is going to be beat up and whoever 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.760 can fight through it the best and I think that 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.640 we have a pretty good chance of doing that. Well, 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:03.600 thank you so much. We'll let you get on your way. 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.600 We appreciate it. Natis good luck to thank you for talking. 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.919 If you like what you're hearing, consider subscribing to the 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.359 seventy six ers podcast network Feed or giving us a 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.640 follow wherever you get your pods, and if that happens 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.320 to be on Apple Podcasts, we'd love for you to 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.320 give us a rating. I'm Tom McGinnis. Talk to you 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:24.040 down the road.