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Speaker 1: I am Chad Millman of the Action Network. I'm live

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Speaker 1: We are so good right now because there has been

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Speaker 1: it has been crazy. Dk Metcalf going to the Steelers,

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think you got to start with

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Speaker 1: what did you see raybon in More? You say there

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Speaker 3: But and Simon could attest to this. When they brought

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Speaker 1: It's an annual tradition. People will forget about the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: people will not want to bet on the Chiefs. People

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I like in the sense that I think, just

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Speaker 2: like most years, will be able to get great value

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Speaker 2: week two. Everyone jumps off ship. Me and you, Chad,

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Speaker 2: always the wiser, will just passionately wait and get them

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Speaker 2: at what twelve to one, thirteen to one? That's usually

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Speaker 2: love the off season these moves because it is the classic.

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Speaker 2: One man's trash is another man's treasure, and a lot

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Speaker 2: justin fields? No, those fans have been through hell. They're

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Speaker 2: this time of the year. And for me, it's all

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Speaker 2: about the betting angle, right, Chad, And that's what this

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Speaker 2: They go out get divine. The Adams. Forty nine ers

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Speaker 2: have just basically getting all the guys off the ship.

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Speaker 2: They're just cutting all the old guys trying to get young.

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Speaker 2: The Rams are now twenty to one for Super Bowl odds,

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Speaker 2: switching teams. But to me, this offseason has really been

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Speaker 2: I'm loving every move the Bear's team has made so far.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I'm glad you brought it up. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: Look, I love I love that Ray runs. Two top

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Speaker 1: You might lose some something, you know, because you're losing

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Speaker 1: And so we backed up a truck for Grady Jarrett.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to piggyback off. What you're saying

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Speaker 2: But it's it's you can't deny it, right, These are

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Speaker 2: It's it's hard to shit on them this offseason where

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about Kayler Williams now. Like you know,

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Speaker 3: it really comes down to Caleb because I think I

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Speaker 3: But I think ultimately Caleb Williams at times was really

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Speaker 1: Well, look, you could have looked at it a couple

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Speaker 1: that would not go all in on coaches. They went

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Speaker 1: If we talk about free agent signings and trades, people

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Speaker 2: It's basically that. It's pretty simple. He comes down to it.

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Speaker 2: I'm breaking this down and looking at his film and

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Speaker 2: why the Jets are making this move, they have a

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Speaker 2: vision for it. They have a vision for what they're

431
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Speaker 2: going to do. Now I'm on the other side where

432
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Speaker 2: I think they might be one of the worst teams

433
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Speaker 2: in all football, this Jets team. So the fact they're

434
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Speaker 2: making this move giving him a two year deal. Baby.

435
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Speaker 2: In their mind, they're just like, well, good, we'll get

436
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Speaker 2: a high draft pick next year and go get our

437
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Speaker 2: quarterback for real, and then we'll just have him next

438
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Speaker 2: year on the one year deal and he can be

439
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Speaker 2: a nice little bridge gap quarterback. Because I'm in the

440
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Speaker 2: same camp as you chat where it's like when you

441
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Speaker 2: look at their division right now, they're in fourth, and

442
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Speaker 2: it's it feels like by a lot right they're they're

443
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Speaker 2: way behind Josh Allen Tua and now the hope is

444
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Speaker 2: Drake May ticks that next step. So yeah, for me

445
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Speaker 2: and you, I feel like it's gonna be pretty easy

446
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: bet taking their under. This Jets team and just everything

447
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Speaker 2: they've done this offseason is just like could it happen?

448
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Speaker 1: Right?

449
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Speaker 2: We saw it happened last year the Viking. Sure, anything

450
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: can happen in football. Sam Darnal could have a career year,

451
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Speaker 2: justin Fields could come come out have a career year.

452
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Speaker 2: I bet you he doesn't, and I'm willing to put

453
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Speaker 2: money on it. So that's it's pretty interesting. That was

454
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Speaker 2: their big move. And the Jets fans are happy, but

455
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Speaker 2: you know, they're just like Cowboys fans, man, They're just

456
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Speaker 2: they've been through it, like you know, the Cowboys, like

457
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Speaker 2: you just started like talking about how bad they've been

458
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Speaker 2: and how they haven't really done anything in this offseason.

459
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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, that's stat. Washington made it last

460
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Speaker 2: last year. Washington made it to the conference championship game.

461
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Speaker 2: The Cowboys only team the NFC that have not been

462
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Speaker 2: the conference championship game in like thirty years. That doesn't

463
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Speaker 2: even sound real if you're a fan of football or

464
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Speaker 2: fan just how dominant they were in the nineties. So yeah,

465
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Speaker 2: I get why their fans are pissed off, and I'm

466
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Speaker 2: honestly shocked that it's not talked about more in media

467
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Speaker 2: right now about how the Cowboys are just everything they're

468
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Speaker 2: doing is wrong, right, not signing Michael Parsons before all

469
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Speaker 2: these other dns just got paid big money. Everything I

470
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Speaker 2: do is just wrong. So yeah, I'm right there with

471
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Speaker 2: you where it's like, you know, the Justin Fields thing

472
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Speaker 2: not doesn't move the needle for me, But I get

473
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Speaker 2: why they did it because it's like, what else are

474
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Speaker 2: you gonna do? There's that's that's the problem with this

475
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Speaker 2: league is only thirty two quarterbacks, and we choke, We

476
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Speaker 2: joke all the time chat. You don't want that bottom

477
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: ten quarterbacks. They're all the same, they're all interchangeable. So yeah,

478
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Speaker 2: really really tough spot for the Jets, But there is

479
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Speaker 2: some upside in the play, so I get where they're

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Speaker 2: doing it.

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Speaker 1: Ray Bond, you're shaking your head affirmatively. I should note

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Speaker 1: when Simon is saying the Jets may one of the

483
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Speaker 1: worst teams.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, and this extends to really I would

485
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Speaker 3: say you're asking just more generally, what is the the

486
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Speaker 3: signing or signings that people were talking too much about.

487
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Speaker 3: That's not gonna mean anything. I think it's just all

488
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Speaker 3: this veteran quarterback musical chairs. I think the most important

489
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Speaker 3: quarterback went to the most important place he could be,

490
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Speaker 3: and that was Matthew Stafford staying with the Rams because

491
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Speaker 3: we already saw that he can win a Super Bowl

492
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Speaker 3: at this stage in his career. With this general iteration

493
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Speaker 3: of the Rams, you know, that's that's that's what we've seen.

494
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Speaker 3: So everyone else, you know, Raiders getting Geno Smith, I'm

495
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Speaker 3: gonna fade them, the Seahawks getting Sam Darnold, Gonna fade them,

496
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Speaker 3: Jets getting Justin Fields, gonna fade them. Who else I'm

497
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Speaker 3: leaving out you know, like where Aaron.

498
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Speaker 1: Rodgers Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, they need Daniel Jones is like

500
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Speaker 3: statistically anyway, it's hilarious. He was just so much better

501
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: of a thrower of the football than Anthony Richardson last

502
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 3: year that it's comical. But yeah, just another example of

503
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Speaker 3: like this year. Simon kind of alluded to it earlier.

504
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Speaker 3: You know, like quarterback is the most important position, you

505
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Speaker 3: know in terms of betting and the points right and

506
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Speaker 3: all that, but it seemed like last year the most

507
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Speaker 3: important move was moves were running backs. We saw the

508
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Speaker 3: Ravens and you know, competing for a title with Henry

509
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Speaker 3: and then of course Saquon and the Eagles end up

510
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Speaker 3: winning it. And this year just it's like all these

511
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Speaker 3: quarterback musical chairs and nothing really moves the needle. Like

512
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Speaker 3: even wherever Aaron Rodgers goes to me doesn't really move

513
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Speaker 3: the needle because all the teams that are the true contenders,

514
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Speaker 3: and and our guy evn Abrams talks about this all

515
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Speaker 3: the time, like if you kind of looked about about

516
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Speaker 3: twelve to one, it's where the cutoff is if you

517
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Speaker 3: can't get to that twelve one spot in terms of

518
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl odds. By the time the season starts, you're

519
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Speaker 3: pretty much out of the running. And Burrow is probably

520
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Speaker 3: the quarterback that didn't make it last year that's in

521
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Speaker 3: the running. But Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, we know the

522
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Speaker 3: guys Hurts Lamar like these teams, the teams that are

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Speaker 3: gonna contend to have a quarterback, the Rams are are

524
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Speaker 3: going to be there, I think, and all these other

525
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Speaker 3: guys just doesn't mean much. And I don't think this

526
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Speaker 3: rookie class is particularly strong either, So all you know,

527
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Speaker 3: everyone wants to talk about quarterbacks, and you know, even

528
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Speaker 3: Metcalf to the Steelers because that's kind of quarterback adjacent

529
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Speaker 3: where great, it's like they have they have they always

530
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Speaker 3: are going to have a high floor, and maybe that

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Speaker 3: rais are ceiling a little bit. But you know, Seahawks

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Speaker 3: win one ten games with with with good receivers last

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Speaker 3: year and a mediocre quarterback and didn't even couldn't even

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Speaker 3: make the playoffs. And the Steers are in a competitive

535
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Speaker 3: division as well. So I just think all these quarterback

536
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Speaker 3: moves get talked about a little too much, and I

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Speaker 3: don't really think are going to change who we see

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Speaker 3: in that in that final four.

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Speaker 1: Could not agree more. The Steelers interesting though, because like,

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Speaker 1: if it's not going to be Aaron Rodgers and Raybon,

541
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Speaker 1: You've been writing for seven years that Aaron Rodgers was

542
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Speaker 1: on the down side of his career and using really

543
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Speaker 1: thoughtful stats and analysis to back it up. We saw

544
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Speaker 1: a lot of it last year. I think a lot

545
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Speaker 1: of people are going to be enamored with a three

546
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Speaker 1: four game stretch where all of a sudden he looked healthy,

547
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Speaker 1: Maybe he was getting a little bit better production, you know,

548
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Speaker 1: with the four or five times they saw him make

549
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Speaker 1: the exact throw that only Aaron Rodgers can make, and

550
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's going to pair with Mike

551
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Speaker 1: Tomlin and hit dk Metcalf down the field, and that's

552
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Speaker 1: going to be the difference. I'm not saying it. Yeah,

553
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Speaker 1: just not a thing. It's not a thing. It's not

554
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Speaker 1: a thing. Signon, it's not a thing.

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Speaker 2: I like to move though for them, And you know,

556
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Speaker 2: we'll give some flowers to our guy Peter King, where

557
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: I told you two months ago, Peter King said that

558
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Speaker 2: he thought Rogers was going to go to the Steelers,

559
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: and it's like, clearly the Steelers have been putting out

560
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: there they like him that long ago. For Peter King,

561
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: who doesn't say much in the media, to come out

562
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: and say that, so you know, that was a big

563
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: deal to me. I think it's another spot of yeah,

564
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: they're not gonna win a super Bowl because of it.

565
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Speaker 2: But I feel like Christi has nailed it, Like we're

566
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Speaker 2: not betting the under on their win total this year,

567
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: Like that's the exact quarterback they get in there to

568
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: get to somehow get the nine or ten wins. Like

569
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: this is the perfect match for them, and if he

570
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: doesn't go there, it sucks for them because they're probably

571
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Speaker 2: still going to get to the seven wins somehow. It

572
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter who the quarterback is going to be, even

573
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Speaker 2: if it's you know, Mason Rudolph, whoever they bring in there.

574
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: But it's a Tomlin magic man. It's just crazy how

575
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: he can just take trash and make it work. It's

576
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 2: the same reason Russell Wilson is radioactive right now. No

577
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: one signed him, right no one. No one actually believes it.

578
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: No one understands how that man won so many games

579
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: that Steelers team last year. It's all part of that

580
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: Steelers of magic. So yeah, going back to these different

581
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: teams and how they run their organization. There's just some

582
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 2: teams shad they're just dumb and they overthink. I mean,

583
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: the biggest one that jumps out to me has to

584
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: be the Giants. Right this offseason, Giants just sign Slayton,

585
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Speaker 2: a wide receiver two to thirty nine to thirty eight

586
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: million dollars three years, thirty eight million. That's the same

587
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: amount they passed on paying Saquon the year before. So

588
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: it's like, none of these things make sense when you

589
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: really break it down to its core, because these teams

590
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: just overthink stuff. And like we talk of the time,

591
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: the salar cap is just going to keep going up.

592
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: So people will be like, did you say how much

593
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: so and so got paid? Yeah, it looks stupid on paper,

594
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: but it's like the salard cap just keeps going up.

595
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: That's why you know, as an Eagles fan, I think

596
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: this is the first off season of my life that

597
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: we are the team that is just losing people left

598
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: and right while not bringing anybody in. And honestly, it's

599
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: the greatest feeling in the world. It's like, holy shit,

600
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: we are the best, one of the best drafting teams

601
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: in football. That all we're so good. All we can

602
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: do is sign our own guys and we have to

603
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: let other guys walk. Where Even last year, our two

604
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: super Bowl winning moves were Zach Brawn and Sakuon Barkley,

605
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: two free agent signings at this time of year. So

606
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: to me, that's for a lot of teams out there

607
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: where like you know, we pooh pooh f agent signings.

608
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: Shit does matter if you have the right GM and

609
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: making the right moves. These are the type of things

610
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: that can set you up for Super Bowl. But on

611
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: the flip side, you can set your team back four

612
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: or five years in a really bad fregency move where

613
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: you're spending all this money like Tennessee last year. Think

614
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: of Tennessee. They spent all that money chat just to

615
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: be the number one pick. It's just that's what's so

616
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: brutal about this time of year. It's like, I don't

617
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: want to shit on everyone's team. They're sharing teams. You

618
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: look at side at it, You're just like, man, this

619
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Speaker 2: is they're gonna be the exact same spot four or

620
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Speaker 2: five years, cutting these guys on these big contracts, and

621
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Speaker 2: it's just it's just bad money spending. So I don't

622
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Speaker 2: know how you view it. But I'm of that mentality

623
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Speaker 2: of there's some teams that are nailing it, like the Bears,

624
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: and there's other teams who are just like this team

625
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 2: is going to be spending their tires for another three

626
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: four years, like New Orleans Saints and a couple of

627
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: other teams.

628
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Speaker 1: It's clear you and I talked about this a couple

629
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago. It's clear there are franchises you just

630
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: don't want to be a fan of right now. The Saints,

631
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: the Browns, the Titans, like, these are teams that are flailing.

632
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: They don't know what they're doing. They don't have the

633
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: personnel in their executive suites to be making indecisions to

634
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Speaker 1: help put them in a position to be successful five

635
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: years down the road. Howie Roseman, I feel like he

636
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: is sitting in his office in Philadelphia. He's looking at

637
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: his board and feeling so good about the position he

638
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: has put his team in because, yeah, they've lost CJ. Gardner, Johnson,

639
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: they are losing Milton Williams, but he has loaded his

640
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: defensive line, he has loaded is defensive backfield. He's got

641
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: Cooper dejen right, He's got Quinja and Mitchell Like he

642
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: has made such good moves and he's probably looking at

643
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: this thinking, I know how to draft, I know what

644
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking for in a player. I will be able

645
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Speaker 1: to backfill these roles as people price themselves out and

646
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: get their big, mega deals elsewhere, and we will be

647
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: totally fine. I feel like the Eagles are flying high.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't hesitate either, which I give tons ahead

649
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: of credit to Howie where he paid the guys were

650
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: other teams like the Bengals, I mean talk about disaster

651
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: right like they didn't. They couldn't get the deal with

652
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: them Don last year. Chase Now it's gonna be another

653
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: extra twenty thirty million, top whatever he was asking last year.

654
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: T Higgins. I don't even think whatever they throwed him,

655
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna walk regardless. He fucking hates the Bengals,

656
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: like the fact they tagged him again and someone put

657
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: up a great stat of Joe Burrow and Hurts got

658
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: a contract in the same offseason. The Eagles have spent

659
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: like three hundred million since then on players to resign

660
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: to their team. The Bengals have spent like twenty thirty million.

661
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: So it just shows you how stupid these franchise can be.

662
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: Where you know, you just need to make the money work.

663
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: But I'm with you in the sense that you know

664
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Speaker 2: obviously how he's nailing this offseason. But you know, we

665
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: talk all the time. There's moves that teams make that

666
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: are terrible, Like we we had a couple signings last

667
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: year of guys that we're paying twenty million dollars to

668
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: that never touched the field for us. And that's just

669
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: how it is. Right, You're not always gonna nail. You

670
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 2: don't win them all exactly, and I think it's probabilistic,

671
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: and people get too obsessed with the misses where it's like,

672
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: on your team, success is making the playoffs. I know

673
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: people don't want to hear that, but it really is.

674
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: I know, it's like why I want more. Right, if

675
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: you're you're a fan of the Bills and Josh Allen,

676
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: you're like, take the MVP. I could give two shits

677
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: about winning the MVP. I won a Super Bowl, Like,

678
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: I get that perspective, but take a deep breath, you

679
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: could be the fucking Jets. So that's what I always

680
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: try to tell people, where it's like, yeah, you want

681
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: to win the Super Bowl. The Bill is of course

682
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: you want to be nothing around for thirty forty years,

683
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: Like you want people still talking about Joe fucking Nameth. No,

684
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: Like that's literally living in hell. So that's why I

685
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: always try to have perspective of this where it's like,

686
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: you know, this this Bill's team. You know, they had

687
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: a couple moves this offseason that you were like, I

688
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: don't know what they're doing. Then they come and they

689
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: signed that contract with Josh Allen. You're like, that's why

690
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 2: they're a great organization, right, they got Josh Alla, would

691
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: take a great deal, left some money on the table

692
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: to go get other guys, And it's like, that's what

693
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: great teams do. They don't give Dak Prescott sixty five

694
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: million dollars at the last minute to come play for them.

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00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: So it's like you really are seeing which teams are

696
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 2: going to keep going up and which teams just feel

697
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: like they're going to keep going down. And that's that's

698
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: the most interesting part of the offseason. You kind kind

699
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: of see they're right on the wall at.

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Speaker 1: terms of the metaphor. You know, wasn't as easy, Simon, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what are you laughing at?

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Speaker 2: Just I love Van Mitchell has comments. He just wrote

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's right. I didn't see that so Ray, But

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Speaker 1: I want your take on this. Simon just said there

728
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: are teams that the goal is to make the playoffs,

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00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: and that there are teams that are perennial perennially pathetic,

730
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: like the Jets, and teams like the Bills who your

731
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: goal is to win the title. At what point does

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00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: your feeling as a fan that making the playoffs is

733
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: the right thing start to wear thin? I e a

734
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: lot of blowback on the Steelers right now. Is it

735
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: enough to just consistently be good and make the playoffs?

736
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Speaker 1: They want more? Or are the expectations too high? When

737
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: is it time to blow it up? And are the

738
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: Steelers there?

739
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: We think no? So I think the thing that people

740
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: don't get and it's frustrating as a fan when your

741
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: team is kind of stuck in that you know, quote

742
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: unquote purgatory, but it's really like the upper class purgatory

743
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: if you're just making the playoffs every year or finishing

744
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: with a five hundred or better record. I think with

745
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 3: the Steelers, it's just really come down to they haven't

746
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: had the quarterback and you're not going to You're not.

747
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: You could win it because of other guys, but not

748
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: without a quarterback, you know, Like the Eagles got through

749
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,959
Speaker 3: a lot of the year Jayalen Hurts sometimes he didn't

750
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: have to do much. A lot of the time he

751
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 3: didn't have to do much. But when it counted, Jayalen

752
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: Hurts was a week and that's just that's the Eagles.

753
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 3: Then that speaks to Howie Roseman. The Steelers just haven't

754
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 3: really had that. They you know, they got one with

755
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: h with Big Ben. They were in a couple there

756
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: and then it just got a lot worse. So the

757
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: thing about a high floor is if you want a

758
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 3: high ceiling, if you're locking in a high floor, then

759
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 3: you know your ceiling's gonna be higher because you know,

760
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: it's correlated like that. At the end of the day,

761
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: I would much rather be this be the Steelers and

762
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: just be like a quarterback away, you know, every year,

763
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: then kind of have no you know, dude, like be

764
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 3: the Giants who I think ownership has just meddled ever

765
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: since the end of it got really bad at the

766
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: end of Eui Mann's career after he had won those

767
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: couple and then around that bench at the time they

768
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 3: benched him for Gina, Like everything just unraveled there and

769
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: you could see it. The Jets have been the same

770
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 3: way the last couple of decades. You know, they keep

771
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: throwing the same thing at the wall in different ways

772
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: and just doesn't stick. So I don't think the stealer.

773
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 3: I think the Steelers are a model organization. But unfortunately

774
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: this this is why you know, Josh Allen got three

775
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty million dollars and we're over here saying,

776
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: you know, he left money on the table, because that's

777
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: how much quarterbacks do matter for certain teams, and you

778
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: know they they do matter in general, but for a

779
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: team Mike, the Steelers, that that it meant everything because

780
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: that's the difference. You know, they were trotting out Kenny

781
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: Pickett justin fields, uh, the ghost of Russell Wilson, Mason Rudolph,

782
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,800
Speaker 3: Like that's that's why the Steelers aren't going Yeah exactly, Yeah,

783
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: So that's that that's that's that's really what it is.

784
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's teams like we saw with the Giants,

785
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: they Joe Shane has no idea. Well, he like he

786
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: makes some moves that turn out good, and but when

787
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: he starts going through his thought processes, and I'm sure

788
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: this has a lot to do with ownership too, and

789
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: there's things we're not seeing. But uh, it's just a

790
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 3: lot of these movies don't don't quite make sense to me.

791
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: And then a lot of them are just kind of

792
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 3: fixing other things. And uh, you know, even like the

793
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 3: like now you signed it, paulsing the debo, but like

794
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 3: what if you don't, like I don't you know, I

795
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to put myself in position to where if

796
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 3: I didn't get a quarterback, like I could just take Hunter,

797
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: and I don't. I don't know if you still do

798
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: that now. So like it's I just think. I just

799
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: think there's a lot going on with ownership. And that's

800
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 3: why the Giants and the Jets, you know you heard

801
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: mad ratings and things like that, those two teams in particular,

802
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: that's why he keeps seeing them just struggle for the

803
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: better part of a couple of decades.

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Speaker 1: Now, Josh Allen got a quarter of a billion dollars

805
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: guaranteed guaranteed.

806
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 2: How many quarterbacks have you ever seen hurdle anyone. Goodness,

807
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: there's no field, no way.

808
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: And by the way, when he can go for a

809
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: new contract, he's going to be thirty two years old.

810
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: He could make half a billion dollars in real money

811
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: over the next eight years, guaranteed. Imagine that just from football,

812
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: just from football football, he could end up with five

813
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars.

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00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: And just from my perspective of like we're talking about

815
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: quarterbacks here is that's the beautiful thing about football is

816
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: you don't need Josh Allen. Usually Josh Allen doesn't get

817
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 2: you shit in football, right, Like we've seen it time

818
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: and time again. These great quarterbacks. It's not their fault,

819
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 2: right because it is a team sport, but there's so

820
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: much he goes into it in that the fact that

821
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: you know, right now in the NFL, we're in a

822
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 2: weird spot chat where we've had a run of dynasties.

823
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: Right We've had the chiefs in the Patriots dynasty. So

824
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: right now, you know, if you want to count Russell

825
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: Wilson to start in the league, we have four quarterbacks

826
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 2: that are starters that have won super Bowls in football

827
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 2: right now. Right Stafford Mahomes Hertz and Russell Wilson. That's

828
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: really unique. Like there's thirty two teams, there's only four starters.

829
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: That is an insane stat Yeah.

830
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: And like that kind of things because I want to

831
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Speaker 2: bring people in perspective of it's so tough to get

832
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: there and actually do it, like you need so much

833
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: fucking luck. I mean, think about the shape of a football.

834
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: It's the weirder shaped ball in all major sports. You

835
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: don't know which way that fucking thing is gonna bounce, Like,

836
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: you know, even hanging around Eagles fans, how cocky they

837
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: are talking about all the fumbles we got in the

838
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: playoffs and how that helped us get to the super Bowl.

839
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 2: It's like they don't know where that ball is gonna

840
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: bounce and he punched that shit out, Like it's all

841
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: this random things to add up to them getting to

842
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl winning it. And obviously you know that

843
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: was a crazy runof they had the most points ever

844
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: in that Super Bowl history era of points in the playoffs, right,

845
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: that was a very unique team. But at the core

846
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: of football this way, I'll never get all these different

847
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 2: teams in the moves they make. We've had years of

848
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo making it to a fucking super Bowl. Brock

849
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: Purdy made it to a super Bowl, Like you can

850
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: make it there with below average quarterbacks that are trying

851
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: to buy really good talent on their teams. And I think,

852
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: you know, the greatest team and player ever in my

853
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: mind of this example are those Eli Manning Giant teams. Right.

854
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: He never made the playoffs and did anything when he

855
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: did make it, he won fucking super Bowls. And that

856
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: was kind of thing where that team drafted right on

857
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: their D line. They had Spags the decoordinator, and then

858
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: they had Elon who had that clutch gene with plexico

859
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: and they had a good run game. All those things

860
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: got into it. But it's like too many these teams

861
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: want to be perfect, right, They want to make the

862
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: perfect team, get a top five quarterback and make it

863
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: all work. You don't need all that in football, Like

864
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 2: there's so much that goes into it. So that's why

865
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 2: I think we're in a weird spot right now where

866
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 2: these teams are. You know, they're chasing different teams trying

867
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: to copy their what they how they built their teams out.

868
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 2: I told you last year I had heard from people

869
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: in the Eaglo organization that they were going to copy

870
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers that they when they saw what

871
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey did to that offense. Howie who has never

872
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: paid running back in his whole life. So I don't

873
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: fucking care. The NFL has changed two ice safeties is

874
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: a real thing. I'm going out there. I'm getting what

875
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: I think is the best running back in football. You.

876
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you've seen all the conferences him

877
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: talking Saquon. It's like he literally said to the dude,

878
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: you're the reason we just won the Super Bowl, Like

879
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: you were the difference that we needed that we didn't

880
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: have two years ago, and teams out there that wanted

881
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: to do it this year, there was no running back

882
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 2: out there to do that. Now we have this draft

883
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: coming up with Gentry and there's a couple of guys

884
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: out there that I think are game changers. But you

885
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: definitely saw this year in the fergency class that teams

886
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 2: weren't going to be like, Okay, there's a saque there's

887
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry out there, because there isn't. You've seen a pullback,

888
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: and like we talked about, they've attacked the offense to

889
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: line the defensive lines, because to me, this draft class

890
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: has really good running backs. So it's gonna interesting in

891
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 2: this draft coming up. Does Gentry go in the top ten?

892
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: Do teams reach for him because they think they're a

893
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: piece away your Bears team, Chad, I wouldn't hate them

894
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: taking him. Like, there's certain teams I feel like you

895
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: could add him and they're gonna be in the same

896
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: position as what we've seen this Eagles team Detroit. I mean,

897
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: look what they've done getting running backs right, that's kind

898
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: of changed the whole organization. So I do think that

899
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: we're going to this weird time where people are like

900
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: so obsessed with quarterbacks like we all are. It's fun

901
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: make a top five, top ten list when it really

902
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: does matter. All these other pieces have been so important.

903
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 2: I would love your Chris's view on that, if he's

904
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: got to view on these running back classes coming out.

905
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's the first thing I was gonna bring

906
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 3: up with. Yeah, genty is the favorite now to go

907
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 3: to the Chicago Bears, which because they address their offensive line.

908
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: You know, everyone thought they were going to take the

909
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: offensive line. Now they have some options, So totally agree.

910
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: I think it. Like I said at the end of

911
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: the day with the Bears is gonna come down, Okay,

912
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: But Williams, that's the guy who has shown it, and

913
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: we know he has a talent, but he hasn't proven

914
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: it yet. You're like, ask Jacksonville, you know how they're

915
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 3: doing with that? So like that's that's that's The Bears

916
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: have everything around him, I think. But the one I

917
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: was going to bring up, since we were talking about

918
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: Josh Allen and just how Portanty's running backs are in

919
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 3: the playoffs, what did the Bills lean on. It wasn't

920
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: Josh Allen throwing the football. It was James Cook who

921
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: turned into an absolute monster. And the every week it

922
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: seem like James Cook was undervalued, even in the touchdown market,

923
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 3: which is a notoriously inflated market. You know, he was undervalued,

924
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: and it's because they saw something in James Cook. You know,

925
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 3: he got a lot more physical Uh, he had the

926
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: speed he can catch it and run. And that's a

927
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 3: big thing that those three down backs are coming back

928
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: into Bogue a little bit, I know. And and then

929
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: the Bills also had Tdy Johnson coming out of nowhere

930
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 3: playing really well. Made that crazy catch in the UH

931
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 3: against the in the playoffs. So I think running backs

932
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: are it kind of got to that low point in

933
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: the market where I think they had like a conference

934
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: or a meeting with all them at one point and

935
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how they can increase their value. Well,

936
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: I think they have. So the fact that we're talking

937
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: about Ashton Jens as good as he's been, you know,

938
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: usually those kind of running backs, it's like, all right,

939
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: you know they're great in college, and then everyone's still

940
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: talking about you know, pick twenty, picked thirty, second round, nah,

941
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: gents is like they're talking about him going fifth, sixtyes,

942
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: and so uh yeah. I think the Eagles kind of

943
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: paved the way with one of the probably the best

944
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 3: GM in the game, giving Saquon bark We a massive

945
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: deal and it worked out, and and and then the

946
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: Bills we saw them Meano and James Cook, even when

947
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: they had Josh Allen and every week we're like, where's Cooper,

948
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 3: Where's you know, who's gonna where's dog King k? Where's

949
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: all these guys, James Cook and Tyd Johnson? So yeah,

950
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: in the ravens Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry.

951
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: So Raybon, who do you think is in Simon? I

952
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: want you to answer this too. The Washington Commanders last year,

953
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: they blew up the league. Jaden Daniels was brilliant. Obviously,

954
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: you mentioned we started the show talking about Laramie Tunsel

955
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: going to the Commanders. But what was interesting about the

956
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: Commanders obviously was Jaden Daniels' performance, but their willingness to

957
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: lean into the analytics in high leverage situations, especially on

958
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: fourth downs, especially on fourth and three, four, five, in

959
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: that range, way outside of the red zone, doing it

960
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: consistently explosive plays coming from Jaden Daniels. It's funny we

961
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: talk about the NFL. You watch these games and like

962
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: every single week, whether it's raybon Kern or me Simon Stuckey,

963
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: we're talking about these games as if they will play

964
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: out according to sort of methodical pacing, what we expect

965
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: to be normalized play calling, what we expect to be

966
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: perfect play, and teams to play in the manner in

967
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: which the overall stats say they're going to play. It

968
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: always comes down to the explosive play. It comes down

969
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: to the fourth down call, it comes down to the

970
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: deep out, it comes down to the blown coverage, whatever

971
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: it is. That's why betting is exciting because all of

972
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: a sudden you're like, oh, I was only one play away,

973
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: or oh I got this play right. Those are the

974
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: difference makers when you're talking about betting. Who will be

975
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: the commanders of this season? The team that leans into

976
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: the high leverage situations.

977
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: I got an answer, I think, give it to me.

978
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: What's a fucking podcast? Give me your answer.

979
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: Not just it's not just that, it's I think they

980
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: have the talent too. And think about it like this,

981
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: who's been the best team against the spread over the

982
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 3: past few years. It's been the Detroit Lions. Right, They've

983
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: just been They've just been cover machines. The team that

984
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: I think last year I was saying they were kind

985
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: of a poor man's Lions, But they have the talent

986
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 3: to be just as good. Tampa Bay Baker Mayfield interesting,

987
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: could be the next take On or somebody like that.

988
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: They got an offensive line, they got they got a

989
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 3: secondary they you know, they took some stabs at pass

990
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: rush with Reddick, and but they got a defensive coach,

991
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 3: So you don't worry too much about the defense. Defense

992
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: has pieces. I mean, what what's stopping the Bucks from

993
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: from being like the Mayfield Bucks? The in the for

994
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: being the goth Lions, who everyone thought was going to

995
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: be in the Super Bowl over the Eagles last year.

996
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: That's the team that I think is just severely overlooked.

997
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: Sign and what do you think of that?

998
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: I love it. People are gonna hate this because this

999
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: feels like a way too heavy Bears podcast, but I

1000
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: have to go with the Bears, like this is the

1001
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: team that all I do is my favorite thing. That

1002
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: bet is on second year players, right and especially quarterbacks

1003
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: making that second year jump. And we've seen it time

1004
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: and time again where it's like guys have all the

1005
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: tools in the world, they have a bad season, people

1006
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: leave them for dead, and then the second year something

1007
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: like Kayleb believe should take that next step. The guy

1008
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: has all the talent in the world. Now he has

1009
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: some good coaching, an offensive line, a system. I think

1010
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: he's going to really thrive in. And again I hope

1011
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: they get gentry. Like to me, that would be an

1012
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: insane weapon to add to that team. Have with Kayleb,

1013
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: bullions from the next five to ten years in that backfield.

1014
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: And you know, this is a team that me and

1015
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: Chat talked a Nagenbata last year they were four and

1016
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 2: two when they lost a hell Mary game against the Commanders,

1017
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: like this was a team that was on a trajectory

1018
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: and we said after they lost, I said, this same

1019
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: young team, we're gonna find out a lot by the

1020
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,240
Speaker 2: Chicago team. They're either gonna thrive and you know, bounce

1021
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 2: back from this, or they will collapse under their own

1022
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: weight the rest of the season. And that's what they did.

1023
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: But the end of the season on such a high

1024
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: mark like that, I know it sounds stupid. That was

1025
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: a huge win for green Bay against green Bay and

1026
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 2: for Kayleb Williams in my mind going to the offseason

1027
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: because I think he felt what it could be like

1028
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 2: to be a team that should be beating green Bay

1029
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: at green Bay that can can have these big wins.

1030
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 2: So this is a team that I love their offseason.

1031
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: They're gonna have a last place schedule and I think

1032
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: it lines up right for them that you know, just

1033
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: like last year, every's gonna talking about Detroit, every's gonna

1034
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: be talking about green Bay and last year we had

1035
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 2: a lot of people that were coming in on this

1036
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: Bears team for the excitement. It doesn't feel like that

1037
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: as we are here in March right there are professionals

1038
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: like me, you like the Bears, But I'm saying the

1039
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: general public, I don't turn on Eastpan or FS one

1040
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 2: all day, and all they're talking about is the Bears

1041
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: like they were at this point last year heading into

1042
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,240
Speaker 2: the draft. So that's a team that I am excited

1043
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 2: to buy low on. I'm gonna bet their win total

1044
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: over I just I love out all lines up for

1045
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: the year two bump for Kayler Williams and bringing in

1046
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 2: such a great offensive mind in Johnson. So it's like

1047
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: I can't help myself, like this is a team I

1048
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: always kind of love secretly just because you know, me

1049
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: and Chad just always kind of love the Bears team.

1050
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 2: Obviously for Chad has his reasons, but we admitted to it.

1051
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: We had a huge whiff on them two years ago

1052
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: with Justin Fields. This feels totally different than Justin Field's

1053
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 2: year two where we fell in love with Justin fields

1054
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: athleticism in year one, mean chat bet on that upside

1055
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: and were betting the one hundred and one to win

1056
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. People like that's where we were at

1057
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: them two years ago. I'm in the same spot now.

1058
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: It's like I feel like they're better, they're improved. Am

1059
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: I bet the super Bowl futures? Fuck No, I think

1060
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: it's like four to one now in most books that

1061
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 2: there's no value there at this point. But for them

1062
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: to shock this division and pull it off, I think

1063
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: it's a real thing like this is this is gonna

1064
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: be a legit good team that I don't think enough

1065
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: people are looking into right now because they're what five

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Speaker 2: these are the teams I love that. Bet on the

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Speaker 2: it's it's all lined up there. Chat for this can

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Speaker 2: Bears team. So that's definite a team just like we

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Speaker 2: Chris talked about teams we try to ie for that.

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Speaker 2: No one's really talking about Tampa's the same boat. No

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Speaker 2: feel like it's the same thing for the Bears that's

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Speaker 2: think they're going to take a major step that people

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm glad you said it. I didn't want

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