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Speaker 1: Giants podcast network. Let's row. Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the

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Speaker 1: official bank of the Giants. John Schmelt back with you.

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Speaker 1: We welcome in Steve Palozolo with the thirty third Team. Steve,

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Speaker 1: it was fun catching up with you with the Combine man.

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Speaker 1: Hope all is well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks John, Always always great catching up with you

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Speaker 2: and all the other friends, my Twitter friends and everybody

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Speaker 2: at the Combine. Always a fun week, all right.

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Speaker 1: So the folks that maybe haven't followed you closely since

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Speaker 1: and all your content.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. My podcast partner Sam Monson and I we left

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Speaker 2: PFF in August, join thirty third Team and started our

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Speaker 2: own podcast called Check the Mic. So that's anywhere you

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Speaker 2: find find your podcasts, any of the audio streams, and

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Speaker 2: then on YouTube where we're continuing to grow there. So

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Speaker 2: Check the Mic podcast basically the same thing we were

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Speaker 1: So we see a lot of football stuff at the

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Speaker 1: combine workouts, We listen to a lot of future NFL

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Speaker 1: players talk at the Combine, But maybe the most fun

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Speaker 1: is talking to people around the league and kind of

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Speaker 1: What was your main takeaway walking out of Indianapolis. Maybe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think we talked to a lot

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Speaker 2: of people that love Travis Hunter as a wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: But the number of people that and maybe a questionable

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Speaker 2: Hunter evaluation, where I think most of us said, hey,

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Speaker 2: And then the same buzz that everyone else is hearing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I thought of someone that covered

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Speaker 1: Try to make as many picks as you can in

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Speaker 2: Man, I hate these difficult questions, John, I hate these things.

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Speaker 2: This is this is why I can't be an NFL GM,

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Speaker 1: Be in this predicament. By the way, this is not

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Speaker 2: It is. And you know, by the way I've been

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Speaker 2: They have to look at that. I mean, part of

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Speaker 2: get tricky, right because if you're Joe Shane and you're

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Speaker 2: do that? Right? Can you can? You can you literally

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Speaker 2: of let's you know, trade for a Joe Milton because

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Speaker 2: of your regime doesn't feel like a great long term

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to do that. But if you're Joe

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers coming and playing under at Brian Dable, maybe

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Speaker 3: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 3: of crunch time football I'm your man. But if you're

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Speaker 3: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk

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Speaker 3: to citizens.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to learn about an Mollia routine. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: knew I could help make sense of your money with citizens.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, that shouldn't affect what you do

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Speaker 1: in the draft, right, you should still attack that quarterback, yeah,

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Speaker 1: as much as you can in the draft. And I'll

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Speaker 1: say this too, like I don't just think it's a

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Speaker 1: Dable and Joe Shane thing. Like the Giants almost became

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Speaker 1: the first team in the NFL history to go oh

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Speaker 1: those losses just tears John Marris's guts out, Like I

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Speaker 1: see him walking out of that box, and he hates

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Speaker 1: losing and watching them lose. And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you looked at the Giants home schedule this year, Steve,

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Speaker 1: but it is a tinder box like the worst, Like

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Speaker 1: think there are some players here. The Giants are in

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Speaker 1: desperate need of a corner and I think they're still

432
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Speaker 1: young at that position as is. They could use a

433
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Speaker 1: veteran and this is not a great corner class in

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Speaker 1: the draft anyway. Who are some of the corners in

435
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Speaker 1: this class that you like? Again, some of these guys too,

436
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Speaker 1: who are going to get into the twenty nine to

437
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Speaker 1: thirty year old range, which which gets dangerous, But a

438
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Speaker 1: lot of them I've had some really good years too.

439
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Speaker 1: So who are some of the corners that you think

440
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Speaker 1: could get some good production per doll or good bang

441
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Speaker 1: for the buck when you look at this class.

442
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Speaker 2: So I'm absolutely with you. As far as the court,

443
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of starting caliber corners out there. The

444
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Speaker 2: actual free agent class before you add Darius Slay and

445
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Speaker 2: even James Bradberry getting released. Slay I think can still play.

446
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Speaker 2: I think he'll be picky and you know, try to

447
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Speaker 2: find a contender. Rumors that he wants to go back

448
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Speaker 2: to Detroit perhaps to finish his career. I like that,

449
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Speaker 2: but yeah, but the actual free agents. DJ Reid can

450
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Speaker 2: play with the Jets. He was a nice He was

451
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Speaker 2: a nice pick up for them a couple of years ago.

452
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Speaker 2: Opposite Sauce Gardner at Travarius Ward, I think is one

453
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Speaker 2: of the better pressman corners in the NFL. I think again,

454
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Speaker 2: he's going to be picky about where he wants to go.

455
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Speaker 2: Rasseull Douglas I thought was, you know, rejuvenated with Buffalo

456
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Speaker 2: over the last year and a half and more of

457
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Speaker 2: a zone type corner for him. Byron Murphy could play

458
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Speaker 2: inside outside, has that flexibility. Carlton Davis the third, I

459
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Speaker 2: think he's still pretty good again coming off of injury.

460
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Speaker 2: But he did a nice job for the Lions. Traded

461
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Speaker 2: a third for him just to get the one year

462
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Speaker 2: of service. Santa Samuel here is the other really interesting one.

463
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Speaker 1: I like him.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you keep mentioning in the twenty nine

465
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Speaker 2: to thirty one year olds like they're all ancient, right,

466
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Speaker 2: but in football terms, they are a little bit older,

467
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Speaker 2: but very rarely. What's the Sante twenty six twenty six? Yep,

468
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Speaker 2: Every now and again you get those second round picks,

469
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Speaker 2: solid career for four years and they just hit free

470
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Speaker 2: agency and they're in the their mid twenties and they

471
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Speaker 2: need to.

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Speaker 1: Cut off an injury too, which might the price a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like I like Samuel again, ballhawk type,

475
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Speaker 2: you know, off coverage zone type of player. So yeah,

476
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Speaker 2: I think there's plenty of starting corners available. And then

477
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Speaker 2: when you add a Darius Slay to the mix, where

478
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Speaker 2: all these other positions have a lot of scarcity that

479
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Speaker 2: you're dealing with, I think there's a plethora of corners.

480
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Speaker 2: So even slow play in the market, not overpaying for

481
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Speaker 2: the top guys, I think there are starters to be

482
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Speaker 2: had there. Yeah.

483
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Speaker 1: I think slow playing wide receivers who are seeing which

484
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Speaker 1: one of those veterans are left with at a job.

485
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Speaker 1: And like, you know, maybe the beginning of April was

486
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Speaker 1: not a bad way to go too. Guards the spot.

487
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Speaker 1: The Giants need to starting right guard. Well, they need

488
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Speaker 1: other things too, but they need to starting right guard.

489
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Speaker 1: Don't love the group. You know when people have will

490
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Speaker 1: freeze at the top of your group. When we played

491
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Speaker 1: like three games last year and it was a breakout

492
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Speaker 1: a year in like three or four games, that scares

493
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Speaker 1: the hell out of me. I'm not gonna lie. Tevin Jenkins,

494
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Speaker 1: I think is a good player, but he is trouble

495
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Speaker 1: staying healthy. Your thoughts on this guard class overall, especially

496
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Speaker 1: now that we know Trey Smith's not going to be there.

497
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Speaker 2: Tevin Jenkins is the guy I like the most, but

498
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Speaker 2: I am I wish I had a die hard fan,

499
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Speaker 2: enough of a die hard fan that followed me over

500
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Speaker 2: the last ten years that did like a montage of

501
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Speaker 2: all the times I suggested to get injured players and

502
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Speaker 2: how well it worked out, because I imagine it's not great

503
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Speaker 2: every year during free agency. Oh I love this guy,

504
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Speaker 2: but the injury, Yeah, I just if you forget about

505
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Speaker 2: the injury concerns, And I know teams don't forget about

506
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Speaker 2: injury concerns. Right, we have more injury data, or at

507
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Speaker 2: least they do internally more than ever. They could do

508
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Speaker 2: a better job of projecting injuries. But those guys are

509
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Speaker 2: always tempting for me, right when it comes to free agency,

510
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Speaker 2: I think about, you know, diversifying your portfolio. Not everybody

511
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 2: can be safe. Sometimes you chase a higher upside type

512
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Speaker 2: of player. And it's weird to say that a guyard

513
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Speaker 2: has high upside, but I would say that's where Tevin

514
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Speaker 2: Jenkins and is. He's got more of a track record

515
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Speaker 2: than Will Freeze. I think he's got a comparable track record.

516
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Speaker 2: Maybe do a Trey Smith who's got the franchise tag

517
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Speaker 2: from the Kansas City Chief. So I like Jenkins, Kevin

518
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Speaker 2: Zeitler is every year you have one of those types

519
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Speaker 2: of hey, here's the one year guy. And again, the

520
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Speaker 2: Giants are in a different spot maybe from some other

521
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Speaker 2: contenders where they're gonna, you know, the last piece of

522
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Speaker 2: their offensive line puzzle, much like the Lions had last year,

523
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Speaker 2: would be a Kevin Zeitler to bring in. So I

524
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Speaker 2: don't know that he's necessarily a fit. Makai Beckton scares

525
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Speaker 2: me a little bit because of the injuries that he's

526
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Speaker 2: had right one year at guard, but that was pretty

527
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Speaker 2: solid for Philadelphia. James Daniels I think is interesting. You

528
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Speaker 2: know he was he got into the league real young,

529
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Speaker 2: so he still has I think a little bit of time.

530
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Speaker 2: If you give him a three year deal, two or

531
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Speaker 2: three year deal. So again, starters available as far as

532
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Speaker 2: the Giants go still need to creep back toward average

533
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Speaker 2: or just above average. Right. I think they're still they're

534
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Speaker 2: moving in the right direction on the old line. But

535
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Speaker 2: second wave of free agency is usually a good place

536
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Speaker 2: to get starters.

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Speaker 1: How about the tackle on edge. You know, this is

538
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Speaker 1: a really good draft class in those two spots, and

539
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Speaker 1: you know there's not a ton of stars at those spots.

540
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Speaker 1: Milton Williams would be one of the highest paid guys.

541
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Speaker 1: I'm sure, Josh, what's going to get paid to you know,

542
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Speaker 1: klue Max a little bit older. I think the Chargers,

543
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Speaker 1: I in my understanding is that they're going to try

544
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Speaker 1: to figure out way to bring him back. But I

545
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Speaker 1: wonder if teams are going to be a little hesitant

546
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Speaker 1: to spend big upfront on defense given what this draft

547
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Speaker 1: class looks like.

548
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think a couple teams will spend

549
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Speaker 2: at the top, like you're saying. I think some of

550
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Speaker 2: the sleeper types that I like that played well at

551
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: least two years ago. You saw Malcolm Kons for the

552
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Speaker 2: Raiders play pretty well. He beat out Tyree Wilson, who

553
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Speaker 2: was the first round pick that year to be the

554
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: guy opposite Max Crosby, so Coons I think is pretty

555
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: good off the edge. Maybe not necessarily a need for

556
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Speaker 2: the Giants, but if they're thinking long term figure out

557
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: what happens with Thibodeau, not bad to have. Obviously you

558
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 2: could roll three and four deep at edge. You need

559
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: to do that anyway. Levion Zerique from the Lions is

560
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: one of my favorites, especially when you look at the

561
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Speaker 2: weakness that the Giants have next to Dexter Lawrence. I

562
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Speaker 2: think he would fit extremely well. He dealt with some

563
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: injuries for a few years. I'd had he's coming off

564
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: his best year. If you can get five hundred to

565
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: seven hundred snaps of him next to Dexter Lawrence, I

566
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Speaker 2: think he would be a great pickup. And again, I

567
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Speaker 2: don't think he's going to be a twenty million dollar

568
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: a year player, probably more in the you know ten range.

569
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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with the cap here. I think

570
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: Anzerrique would be extremely good value, especially for the Giants

571
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Speaker 2: needs all.

572
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Speaker 1: Right, just anywhere else around this free agent class where

573
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Speaker 1: you think you have a couple guys you love or

574
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Speaker 1: you think could be of particular value for teams that

575
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Speaker 1: are shopping maybe in that second or third wave of

576
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Speaker 1: free agency.

577
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Speaker 2: Drew Dallman at center. You know, again, I don't know

578
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Speaker 2: what happened. If it's too early to give up on

579
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: a John Michael Schmidt at center, but I don't know

580
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: if the scheme fits always been great, but Dolman looks

581
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: like one of the top centers in this draft. I

582
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: like him as a player. I mentioned some of the

583
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: other guards and defensive tackles that I like. Zach Bond

584
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Speaker 2: as all of a sudden, you know, a coveted free agent.

585
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: It does sound like he's going to hit the market,

586
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: and I'm always buyered b for one year wonders and breakouts,

587
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 2: But I thought he's always a talented player, just finally

588
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: got his opportunity. And then again, it depends on the team.

589
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: But Kalais Campbell, if he wants to come back and play,

590
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: he does want to play for a contender. He's at

591
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 2: that point in his career where if you could bring

592
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: him in for one year on the cheap like other

593
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: teams have, you get an extremely good value with Kalais Campbell.

594
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 2: So every year I feel like you have those veteran

595
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: free agents that I really like that might only be

596
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: a one year stop gap, but if all your other

597
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: pieces are filled, and that's just Hey, the last couple

598
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: Kalais Campbell and of course the great Morgan Moses my favorite,

599
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: the right tackle that if any team has a right

600
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: tackle need, that guy is a top ten right tackle

601
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: in the league, maybe top eight, top five and usually

602
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: pretty durable and should be available.

603
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's jump to the draft here, Steve, let's

604
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Speaker 1: go on the defensive front. I love the way you

605
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: look at prospects is a little bit different, and you've

606
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: had a lot of really nice hits over the years

607
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: talking about him. Who are some of the defensive linemen

608
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: and edge players and a really really good class. We're

609
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: good at the workouts, they're good on tape, they're good

610
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl that you think maybe teams a

611
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: little too low on or maybe a little too high on.

612
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating class because everybody that I think everybody

613
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: has a yeah but in their profile, right, I love

614
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: this guy, Yeah, but this or that coming up, Like

615
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: I think James Pierce Junior from Tennessee has a great profile.

616
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 2: Off field stuff was being rumored quite a bit and

617
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: discussed quite a bit of the combine for him. Same

618
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: thing with Mike Green, the edge rusher from Marshall. I

619
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 2: think production profile and what those guys can do off

620
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: the edge is outstanding. Abdul Carter of course sitting at

621
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: the top, but he's got one year playing on the edge.

622
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: I think that's probably a positive for him because of

623
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Speaker 2: the way he grew last year converting from linebacker to

624
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: the edge. So I like him still as a blue

625
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: chip prospect. He's got the foot question, but that shouldn't

626
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 2: be anything long term. So I think there's some really

627
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: good talented players who are productive. Then you have guys

628
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 2: like the Michigan guys. Jalen Walker, mikeel Williams. Michael Williams

629
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 2: played through injury last year Soon Long looked like he

630
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: was hobbled last year, said he was playing at only

631
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: sixty percent. You could kind of feel that, So there's

632
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: a bit of a projection there. Jalen Walker never seen

633
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: anybody that's really as inexperienced as he is because he

634
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: played legit half linebacker and half edge at Georgia, and

635
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: I think most would call him like a true three

636
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: to four outside backer old school style, but he hasn't

637
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: rushed the passer. A Ton has a ton of potential though.

638
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 2: And then Jamar Stewart, I think, is that classic workout

639
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 2: warrior who doesn't have the production. He's not awful on tape,

640
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: he's good against the run, and you know, just not

641
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: a great pass rusher yet. But somebody's going to buy

642
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: into those traits, I think in the top fifteen. So

643
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: I think there's plenty of talent in this draft. But

644
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: like I said, they all come up and come back

645
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: with some sort of either off field or production question

646
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: or position flexibility question that works either four against them.

647
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: I think once you try to sort them out.

648
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this group of Day two edge players

649
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: are interesting in how teams stored them. You got the

650
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: Donovan Azaraku's, you got the prince Lyumanmialen. I think he's

651
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: interesting who I thought it was great at the Senior Bowl.

652
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: Olofemi Ola Dajo, he was really good down there. You

653
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: could even throw in, you know, some of the other

654
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: smaller guys, Kyle Canard, he had a really good college career.

655
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: I think they'll be kind of a Nick Scourdon, depending

656
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: on if you think he's a Day one or take

657
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: Day two guy Josiah Stewart out of Michigan, like just

658
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: day two guys, and I think it's going to be

659
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: tough to parse them. I think maybe it's scheme dependent.

660
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: You want a bigger guy, a smaller guy. I think

661
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: there's a nice group there too.

662
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: Really nice group. And I'm a Josiah Stewart fan. And

663
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: that's the thing. Like everybody that I'm a fan of

664
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: on film, it's like, oh, he's too small and he's

665
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: he's missing arm.

666
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: Plays the run though Stuart uff his nails against the run.

667
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: Man who oh, I know.

668
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: And it's also it's interesting when you look at Ed

669
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: Rusher's and historic hit rates, it's usually one of those

670
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: positions like offensive line or offensive tackle. We have to

671
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: you have to get them in the first. Hit rates

672
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: in the first are so much better than on Day two.

673
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: But I think in this class, because of the depth,

674
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: there will be good value there even despite some of

675
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: the historical hit rates. I like Ashton Galotti from uh

676
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: Lou as well kind of a tweeter. Yeah he is,

677
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: but that's that's what I mean. I like guy I like,

678
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: but you know, I don't know I like him. I

679
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: like Josiah Stewart. Jared Ivy is an absolute monster for

680
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: ole Miss And when you watch that entire defensive line

681
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: with Walter Nolan, with Uman Mialen who you mentioned, who

682
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: I think has some great defensive pass pass rush specialist ability,

683
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: remind me a little bit of Brian Burns where I

684
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: don't want him playing the run too much, but just

685
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: let him get after the quarterback. So yeah, I'm with you, man,

686
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of Day two and my

687
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 2: big thing this year if you need defensive linemen, great

688
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: year to double up first round, second round, or if

689
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: you have three picks in the top seventy five, great

690
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: way to come away with at least two on the

691
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: defensive line in this draft.

692
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: So who are some of the Day two defensive tackles

693
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: you like? Because the Giants, if they skip that in

694
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: free agency, they user resources elsewhere and to looking for

695
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: someone to put next to Deck's long term. Who are

696
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: some of those kind of three tech types that you'd

697
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: like in that spot.

698
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Darius Alexander from Toledo. I think he's still a date,

699
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: but he's getting some Round one hype. You know, we'll

700
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: see what happens with that. Like Brydon Fisk almost went

701
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: in the first round last year, and I think most

702
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 2: people weren't expecting to get that high. TJ. Sanders is interesting,

703
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 2: different style. He's a more undersized penetrator. I mean, it is,

704
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: which flavor do you like? You've got Alfred Collins from

705
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: Texas who's three hundred and thirty pounds. He's bigger and taller.

706
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a hold the point guy, but

707
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: I think he could penetrate and be really disruptive. I

708
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: know there was an injury concern with Omar Norman Lott,

709
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: the defensive tackle out of Tennessee. If he's healthy, though,

710
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: I think he's a potential steal as long as the

711
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: knee injury isn't long term. So another group, I think

712
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: Day two is fantastic as far as defensive tackles go,

713
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: and a lot of the depth in this class.

714
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. On the other hand, and this is why I

715
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: mentioned maybe attacking this in free agency, I do not

716
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: love the Day two defensive back class in this In

717
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: this group, Steve, I have trouble finding guys that I

718
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: really like. A couple of them are just slot only

719
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: guys with the giants don't need be's they got Drew Phillips,

720
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: who's done a nice job in that spot. Any outside

721
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: corners on day two that you think could make something

722
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: in themselves here.

723
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think, see, this is where I would

724
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: disagree a little bit. I think there are some good options,

725
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: and so part of that is because I think there's

726
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 2: guys like Shabone Revel, Benjamin Morrison. I know Will Johnson's

727
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: going to go in the first round, but Morrison and

728
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: Revel in particular, we're talked about going in the top fifteen,

729
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: and then they got hurt and now consensus board has

730
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: them on day two in the thirties. You know, if that.

731
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: Point, if those if your medical staff clears those guys,

732
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: they could be good second round players. I'm with you.

733
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, so I think some of those

734
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: guys could fall. I've been a Trey Amos fan out

735
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: of Ole Miss. I've been a fan of his since

736
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: he was back at like what Louisiana he went like Louisiana, Alabama,

737
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: ole Miss, and I think he could play a little bit.

738
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: Darien Porter just had the freak combine, but he's twenty

739
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: four years old, so you know, some what ifs there,

740
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 2: But size and movement skills are outstanding, and then I

741
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: think it tapers off a little bit because I get

742
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: what you're saying, like once you get into Denzel Burke

743
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: territory with Ohio State, he got torched in the first

744
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: game against Oregon and was supposed to be a fringe

745
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: first rounder and didn't really have that season. So I

746
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: think there was a chunk of guys maybe in the

747
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: round two, maybe they fall into a round three range

748
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: that are solid, and then I think there is a

749
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: bit of a drop off there at corner.

750
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: Now I'm with the end night. If you got some

751
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: of those guys dropping down to the top round two,

752
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think you could get some value there.

753
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: Get in here, if you're lined up here, you gotta

754
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: go over the middle with at the score great.

755
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: How do we make that happen? I don't know, but

756
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: citizen does.

757
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: It makes sense of your money with citizens Official Bank

758
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: of Eli Manning.

759
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: Dude, this is the best running back class I've ever seen.

760
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: I've been I followed the draft closely, probably for eight

761
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: to ten years, and my goodness, like everyone ran a

762
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: four to four. Not that I think the top speed

763
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: is super important for running backs, but you just watch

764
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: the tape. There are so many good players that can

765
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: fit different roles. You got guys of every flavor, size,

766
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: bel cows, third down backs, bruisers. There's something for everyone

767
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: in this running back class. It's so much fun. Who

768
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: are some of your favorites?

769
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there really is. I mean I think there's gonna

770
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 2: be a run in round two, right, so we're it is.

771
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people love this draft. You know,

772
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: picks fifteen through seventy five, so I think we'll see

773
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: a running back run. Obviously, Action Genty's fantastic at the top.

774
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: I got to go back on a Marion Hampton from

775
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: un see he's getting all the buzz as like the

776
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: next first rounder. I didn't love his vision, but I

777
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: think as a zone runner it could be good, and

778
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: he's got the big playability. I was surprised with how

779
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: good Trevon Henderson was from Ohio State, or just to

780
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: how I felt he was. I thought he was more

781
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 2: just big play, take it to the house guy. But

782
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: I was impressed with just how well he just stayed

783
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: on schedule, stayed on schedule, and then broke it when

784
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: he needed to. I think he's just a really good

785
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: effective runner, could have a really nice career. I think

786
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: beyond that, I am a Cam Skataboo fan. I know

787
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: he didn't run almost out of forty inch vertical. He

788
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: feels like a four to six, four to seven guy.

789
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: I don't care. The dude breaks tackles, gets it done,

790
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: catches the ball out of the backfield, did it at

791
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: a small school, carried Arizona State this year. So I

792
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: think Skataboo's going to be an absolute steal. And then

793
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: even just today I was rewatching Jayden Blue out of Texas,

794
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: who i'd you know, ran sub four four and I think,

795
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: you know, stylistically he's not going to be in every

796
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: down back, but I love him catching the ball out

797
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: of the backfield, wheel routes, Texas route option routes. I

798
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: think he adds a lot just as a pass catcher.

799
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: So you're right. The depth is here at the running

800
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: back position, and a whole bunch of different types and styles.

801
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: I think for it for every single scheme.

802
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: I was just this, NFL don't let Jim Harbaugh draft

803
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: like Cam scatter bowing like round three?

804
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 2: Please? Oh man, could you imagine he would be.

805
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: That foor guy the ball thirty times a game. He's

806
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna be He.

807
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: Would love him. He would love him so much. Scat

808
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: of him, get.

809
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: Him, Oh my god, he would absolutely love it. And

810
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: then you know, guys, the Iowa kid didn't test great,

811
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: but he's big and you know, and if you look,

812
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: I was looking at this today, if you wanted every

813
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: down back, they kind of have to be two hundred

814
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: twenty pounds. You know, there are some exceptions. Karen Williams

815
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: is a little bit. You know, he's two five, but

816
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: he's only five to nine, so that kind of makes

817
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: up for the lack of size a little bit. So

818
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: there are enough of guys that are that fit that

819
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: you mentioned Hampton, Caleb Williams is in that. Caleb Johnson

820
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: from Iowa is in that.

821
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: Johnson's good. I mean, he just he's so smooth. You know,

822
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: he's got that Arion Foster zone zone running style where

823
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: he just actually reminded me a little bit of Joe

824
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: Mixon too, where he's just another maximize maximize, you know,

825
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: break a few tackles when you need to. Johnson was

826
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: very impressive despite the what four five five forty.

827
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is fine. I mean again, I think even

828
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: like Bachelle Tuton was awesome, like and he's he's, he's

829
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: he's racked up too, like you look it up at

830
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: the podium. You know, he's only two. I think he

831
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: came into like two o seven or something like that.

832
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: He jack though, like he's he's, he's like a thick dude,

833
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: even though he's not that tall.

834
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: Him and scatub with both guys that were fcs, guys

835
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: got the opportunity at bigger schools, came good. I think

836
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: twot and you know had five fumbles last year, but

837
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: big play threat Virginia Tech tried to get him on

838
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: the edge quite a bit. They knew what they had

839
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: in him from a big play speed perspective, so he

840
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: definitely brings that to the table.

841
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: And then like Kyle Munning guy and Devin Neil, they're boring,

842
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: but they're good, Like they're just good. I just think

843
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: it's a it's a fun class. Any other groups really

844
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: jump out of you, Steve that that you have guys

845
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: that you're excited.

846
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: About, you know, I think I think safety has a

847
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: little bit of depth there. You know, my Malachi Starks

848
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: and Nick emn Warri at the top are interesting players.

849
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, I kept thinking Starks might get looked

850
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: at as a corner with just his man coverage skills.

851
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: I would consider that in the back of my head

852
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 2: because I don't think he plays, you know, pure safety

853
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: all that well. I know a lot of people like

854
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: him right maybe even outside like I'm that crazy with Starks.

855
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: I think you know his balls. I think he's just

856
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: better in man coverage than just seeing the game as

857
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: a safety. But I know some people like him At

858
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: free safety. Emon Warri is going to be fantastic. I

859
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: think Xavier Wats is a good player, just a good

860
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: solid player, maybe can cover some tight ends right place

861
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: at the right time, type of guy. Andrew mccooba for

862
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 2: Texas I think is really good. You know, played well

863
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: at Clemson and a Texas in his career. So I

864
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: think safety has got a little bit of depth. It's

865
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: an interesting year where I think, you know, depths all

866
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: the positions. We talked about deep defensive line, deep running

867
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: back class, but it's weaker in the spots where last

868
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 2: year there was tackle there were there were there were qbs, receivers.

869
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: It's just a different year where the strength has pivoted

870
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: to all these different positions.

871
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: I do think it's a year though. If you need

872
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: a guard. There's so many offensive tackles that measured with

873
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: short arms and maybe don't have the physical ability to

874
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 1: move on. They're gonna be a ton of guards because

875
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of tackles that can't play tackle in

876
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: the NFL.

877
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 2: I mean Will Campbell. For some teams, it's going to

878
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: be off the board as a tackle just because of

879
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 2: the arms. I think someone will try them. It depends

880
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: on where you gets drafted. Kelvin Banks, you know, there's

881
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: a lot of rumors about him going to the Bears

882
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: or the Niner, Like if the Niners take him at eleven.

883
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: I saw Niners fans saying they would love Kelvin Banks

884
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: play guard year one, kick out the left tackle the

885
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: next year. So all these guys can either play guard

886
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: or play guard and then move to tackle whatever it

887
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: might be. So there's every single tackle has been discussed

888
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: in the guard conversation, I think, except maybe Josh Simmons

889
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: from Ohio State, but he's coming off of injury.

890
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: All right, final two questions. What do you think about

891
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: this quarterback class?

892
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: I think I'm not nothing. No hot takes. Really, I

893
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: think it's what people think as well. I mean, it's

894
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: cam Ward. I think Shreder Sanders might be closer to

895
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: the next tier than we've been talking about over the

896
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: last couple of months.

897
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: Then you said today, I think Sanders might be closer

898
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: to Dart than he is the Ward to be.

899
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: Honest, Yeah, and that's the sense I get. I'm also

900
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: my cop out on this is like, I don't think

901
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: anybody's good at quarterback evaluations, so I don't care what

902
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: nobody don't. I don't care what anybody says. And it's

903
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: different than other positions, right, I care you know what

904
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: people say about other positions because the the success success

905
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 2: is measured differently, right, And so I always joke showed

906
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: me the guy that knew Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes

907
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: and Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert, you know, and Jadeen Daniels.

908
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: Show me the guy that stacked all that up, and

909
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: we'll trust him. So my opinion doesn't matter, but I'll

910
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: give it anyway. I like the I like taking shots

911
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: on that second tier. It could be Dylan Gabriel, who's

912
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: just too short but really productive. It could be Quinn Yours,

913
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: who I think was on a good trajectory before he

914
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: got hurt, and SCK really going to bat for him

915
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 2: throughout this process, talking about what he battled through last year.

916
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: Taking a shot on a Kyle McCord or Will Howard,

917
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. It's not appealing. But I think

918
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: that second wave of qbs are interesting Jalen Milroe if

919
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: they could figure it out. But yeah, it's deep in

920
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: the backup developmental stage and not deep in the in

921
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: the starter stage.

922
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: I think I'm leaning towards the I don't care about

923
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: age for quarterback camp, but what do you think about

924
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck who's old, Yeah on me, twenty six, but

925
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: hasn't played a ton either because he's been here all

926
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: the time.

927
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: Age matters. Like when I was playing minor league baseball

928
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: and I was twenty four in rookie ball and blowing

929
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: dudes away, and it was like, that's good, Steve. But

930
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: you're playing against eighteen and nineteen year olds and you're

931
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 2: twenty four. You need to be at a higher level.

932
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: So to me, if you're looking at a quarterback from

933
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: like a data perspective and saying, how well did this

934
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: guy play, you have to you have to you know,

935
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: adjust for competition. If you're just saying, will this guy

936
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: get better or is he going to age? Like, none

937
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: of that matters, right, I mean, you're trying to get

938
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: ten years out of a quarterback. It doesn't matter. They're

939
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 2: playing into their thirties and fort thirty five plus and

940
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: they're fine. So it depends on how you're using eight.

941
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't think it matters a whole lot unless you're

942
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: using statistical profiles and you have to say, Okay, this

943
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: dude's twenty four playing you know, in the ACC, then

944
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: it matters. But if you're trying to project him, I don't.

945
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a big deal at all.

946
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm with your final question, give me some palosolo sleepers

947
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: here in this draft class, maybe guys you haven't mentioned

948
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: yet that you wonder why isn't the league higher on

949
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,479
Speaker 1: these guys because I think they're really good.

950
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 2: I liked Ezaraku, who you mentioned, you know, from BC.

951
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 2: I think you know we're talking as like a Day

952
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: two type of edge. I think he might be Day one.

953
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 2: I already mentioned my guy Trey Amos at corner. CJ. West,

954
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: the defensive tackle out of Indiana, had a really good workout.

955
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: I think he put himself on the map there. I

956
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: think Jack Sawyer from Ohio State is going to get

957
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: slept on in this class where there's you know, a

958
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: whole bunch of freaky athletes and upside types. I think

959
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: Sawyer's production is going to step up and just be

960
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: uh is going to be really good. And Jayden Higgins

961
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: is no longer a sleeper or like my guy or anything.

962
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: It's up to the point where we put him in

963
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: a first round mock to the Buffalo Bills at the

964
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: end of the first I think Jadan Higgins from Wyowa State,

965
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: he's he's been one of my guys throughout this entire process.

966
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: He's just going to keep rising though, so uh, he's

967
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: no longer, you know, a sleeper. Jadan Higgins A big

968
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 2: fan of him.

969
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: I think it's teamate Jal and Noel's pretty good too.

970
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: I think I love both of them. Yeah, I mean,

971
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: Noel's the guy. He reminds me the most of Lad

972
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: McConkey with the combination of speed and quicks. I'm with

973
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: you right, Like when when I watched mcakee run routes,

974
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa you know, I stopped and said Wow.

975
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: And I think Nolan Noel has some of that ability

976
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: where some guys are just fast, but they can't change directions.

977
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 2: But I think both of those guys, mccaukay and Nol

978
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:39,479
Speaker 2: can do both.

979
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: Did you get confirmation on that, because I've asked three

980
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: different people and they've told me it's Nol and Noel.

981
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: Is it Nol?

982
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: I just flipped back and forth between it, and it.

983
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: Wasn't in the pronunciation guy and the combine either. I

984
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: looked that was all excited. I'm like, it's still not there.

985
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: I rely whenever Dan's whenever the Beast comes out, I'll

986
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: go by Dan's pronunciation as the official. So I'll assume

987
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: that Dane has it.

988
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: And I the other day, Dane was on with Robert

989
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: Mays and he called them Noel and I was going

990
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: with Noel in Indy and I switched back to Noel

991
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: because I heard Dane call him that yesday.

992
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: If Dane said Noel, I'm going with Noel. That's where

993
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 2: I'm going because I have heard both along the way,

994
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: So I'll go with Noel here.

995
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: All right, good, I'm happy I'm not the only one

996
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: that was confused. And by the way, I talked to

997
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: Eza Rock who for like probably eight minutes then at

998
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, Like, if that dude's like a CFO

999
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: of a bank in twenty years. He is an unbelievable kid,

1000
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: super smart. So I'm with you. I think he might

1001
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: sneak into the first round.

1002
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: I heard that from a lot of people. Knows what

1003
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: he's doing, smart kid, knows how to play football. So

1004
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: big fan of him. And if he's a Day two

1005
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 2: type of guy, I think that's a steal in the

1006
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: second round.

1007
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: Tell the folks where they can find everything you're doing

1008
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,319
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1009
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Speaker 1: with you and Sam.

1010
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,359
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1011
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1013
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1014
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1015
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1016
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Speaker 1: Sadly for the Giants, this has been the fun part

1017
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Speaker 1: of this years, the last two or three years and

1018
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1019
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