1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Now Here's a Highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. R. L. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: Poole is an independent researcher, author, and speaker whose work 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: has redefined the boundaries between science, mystery, and the unexplained. 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: He's a life member of American Mensa. He possesses what 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: experts have called an untestable IQ, a mind that operates 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: beyond conventional measurement. For more than fifteen years, he's been 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: the world's foremost authority on the enigmatic Genius Edward Lead 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: Scalmon and the Coral Castle, culminating in his groundbreaking book 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: The Lead Scale in Codex Breakthroughs and Understanding the Coral Castle. 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: His follow up works including the best selling Beneath the 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: Haunted Sky, The Evidence for Alien Abduction, and his latest release, 12 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: Cosmic blind Spot. While Neil de grass Tyson is wrong 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: about UFOs, they pushed the boundaries of human understanding, offering 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: profound evidence for alien contact, consciousness, manipulation, and the hidden 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: architecture of real itself. Recognized twice by Graham Hancock as 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: Author of the Month and featured twice on the History channels, 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: The Unexplained with William Shatner. Pool's discoveries have earned him 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: international attention. Tonight is his sixth appearance on Coast to 19 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: Coast AM. He's become one of the most provocative and 20 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: original thinkers in modern anomalous research. A forensic linguist, theoretical physicist, 21 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 2: and relentless seeker of hidden truths whose insights continue to 22 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,559 Speaker 2: challenge the limits of what we believe is possible. R. L. Poole, 23 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: Welcome back for a sixth time to Coast to Coast AM. 24 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 3: How are you, Richard? Thank you so much for that 25 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: very generous introduction. I was for sure you were describing 26 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 3: someone else with all of those qualities. 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 4: It's all you, It's all you. 28 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: Let's dive right in and talk about Neil degrast Tyson 29 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: and how he skips debates. 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: He'll say, I don't debate. 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: He seems to will be avoiding tough UFO questions, like 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: back in August that YouTube clip on government hearings where 33 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 2: he said I need better data. 34 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 4: If he were to debate you, how. 35 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: Would you kick off by challenging his we'd all know 36 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: if aliens were here attitude. 37 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: That's a great question. And by the way, I was 38 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: so thrilled to hear you pick up on these different 39 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: types of dismissals that I think are starting to become 40 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: obvious that this is not exactly science. This is rhetoric, 41 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: this is dogma, this is theology. And as a forensic linguist, 42 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: one of my big things that I pay attention to 43 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 3: is that language is the first filter of reality. And 44 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 3: so this is a person who uses language to try 45 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: to filter out thoughts that are uncomfortable for us. And 46 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: while he has at times been a brilliant communicator about science, 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: we must be careful what we communicate when we have 48 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: that kind of power, that kind of exposure, and that 49 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: kind of platform. When he says we need better data, 50 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: that's very interesting because he uses words as a way 51 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 3: to filter out legitimate information and also to misrepresent science. 52 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: And I'm going to give you a free sample of 53 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: that right now. So one of the things that he 54 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: will say besides, I don't debate, and I would like 55 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: to address that quickly as well. Science is a discipline 56 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: of challenge. I think we can all agree on that, 57 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: and that anyone who does not wish to participate in 58 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: being challenged is not interested in being scientific. They are 59 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: interested in being a bully pulpit. They are interested in 60 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 3: being a monolith. They are not interested in the scientific process. However, 61 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 3: one of his big arguments, and he says this like 62 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: it's like it's a mic drop moment that is unrebuttable, 63 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: if you will, and it is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 64 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 3: And you see, this is very famously known as Sagan's racer. 65 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: And of course this is a classic debate tactic cult 66 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: an appeal to authority. 67 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 4: I didn't say it. 68 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: Carl Sagan said it, you see, and Carl Sagan is beloved, 69 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 3: and I also adore and admire Carl Sagan and his legacy. However, 70 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 3: this statement is completely misrepresentative of science. That isn't how 71 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: science works. You see, there are no extraordinary claims and 72 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: science there there are only claims. You see, Extraordinary is 73 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: a subjective value placement that we put over the word claim. 74 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: But in science we. 75 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 4: Do not do this. 76 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 3: And there is also no such thing as extraordinary evidence. 77 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 3: There is only evidence. And so what he is doing 78 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 3: when he repeats this phrase is he is misrepresenting the 79 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: way that science works. We do not have the luxury 80 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: to raise the threshold of evidence in proportion to our 81 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: incredulity of the potential result. You see, that's exactly what 82 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: the scientific method is meant to save us from that. 83 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: It isn't supposed to defend us from discomfort. It's supposed 84 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: to test the world. 85 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: As it is. 86 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 2: Right when we do, the science is settled. That's the 87 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: other one. The science is settled. Science is never settled. 88 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: If you think the science is settled, you cannot be 89 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: a scientist. Everything, and I mean everything is a theory. 90 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: And the reason that even something that we take, you know, 91 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: like gravity. We know we throw something in the air 92 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 3: and it comes back down, but it's theoretical in its explanation, 93 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 3: because that means it is open to change. Anyone who 94 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 3: says that it is resolved is admitting right off the 95 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: bat that they are not educated and they are not 96 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: willing to engage in a scientific discourse. You see, the 97 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: Neil Degrass tysons who tell us we need extraordinary evidence 98 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: if they consider something an extraordinary claim has yet to 99 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: define what even basic common evidence would be for aliens 100 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 3: or UFOs, you know, they want to move the goalposts 101 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: before they've even marked the field. 102 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: I agree. 103 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: I want to talk about your your Sherlock syndrome. You're 104 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: an incredible detective likability to spot hidden patterns and things 105 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: and helps you dig into UFO stories. How does it 106 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: let you push back on Tyson's claim? And this goes 107 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: back to I think his twenty twenty one talks that 108 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: alien visits would be quote crowd sourced on smartphones, meaning 109 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: everyone would snap and share clear videos online if it 110 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: were real, especially you know in old cases like the 111 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: nineteen fifty two Washington DC sidings where you know, radars 112 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: and pilots saw flying objects but no one had phones 113 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: to record them. Let me get you to push. 114 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 4: Back on that. You know that crowd sourced on smartphone comment. 115 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: Well, I think that this is wishful thinking on his part. 116 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: And also this is assumptive. This is assumptive thinking as well, 117 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: that again is not allowed in science. And what I 118 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: call my Sherlock syndrome is that I have anomalous abilities 119 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: in perception, deductive reasoning, pattern recognition, and communication. So I'm 120 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: untestable in these particular areas. And it is I pay 121 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 3: very close attention to words, and people want to play words. 122 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: And I noticed that Neil deGrasse Tyson does an extraordinary 123 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 3: amount of this when he says, well, why don't they 124 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: so and so well, when a scientist begins a sentence 125 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: with why don't they, it is immediately dismissed. It is 126 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: an emotional argument. It is not a logical argument. It 127 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 3: is not a scientific argument. And you know, we have 128 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: people and I notice things just like you do, Richard. 129 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 3: And I saw Mitcheocacu and Neil degras Tyson on the 130 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: same show of News Nation where they were dismissing, very 131 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 3: mockingly the idea of alien abductions and all of these things, 132 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: and Mitchiokaku says, we have studied these frame by frame, 133 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: and they move in ways that defy our laws of physics. 134 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 3: That we cannot manufacture materials which will withstand these forces. 135 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: Our pilots could never physically withstand the g forces generated 136 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: by some of these maneuvers. That these things move in 137 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 3: a trans medium motion which we cannot do as a species. 138 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: But we need evidence. Do you hear what just happened? 139 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 5: He tells you all of these things that are evidence, 140 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 5: and then has the nerve to tell you that that's 141 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 5: not evidence, that we need evidence. 142 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 4: He's arguing against himself. 143 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 3: He's arguing against himself in public on TV. And I 144 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 3: just wonder like, do they hear themselves how they are 145 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: doing intellectual contortionism in order to get away from the 146 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 3: obvious facts that are staring us in the face. And 147 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 3: the same scientists who want to put this burden on others, 148 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 3: by the way, not on themselves. The science doesn't say 149 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: we need to get extraordinary evidence. No, no, no, They 150 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: say you need to you need to get extraordinary evidence, 151 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: and then they don't say what that evidence is or 152 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 3: how to collect that evidence. Then we are being trolled. 153 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 3: We are not being instructed. This is obviously of voidance. 154 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 3: This is sending your sixteen year old son to the 155 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: hardware store to buy a left handed wrench. 156 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: You see, this is a fool's. 157 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: Errand we are being sent on. 158 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: Can you dedicate the book to people who've been ignored 159 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: after claiming abductions and to truth tellers like Felschneider, the 160 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: former government worker who said he fought aliens in secret 161 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: underground bases before dying mysteriously back in nineteen ninety six. 162 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,359 Speaker 4: How do stories like his show. 163 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: The mistake in Tyson's view, that the deep emotional trauma 164 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: from these encounters is just made up or imagined. 165 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: You know, there is this artificially generated narrative that surround 166 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: people who come out with these kinds of experiences that 167 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 3: they share, and it's that these people want attention, they 168 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: to be special, they want money or fame or any 169 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: of those things. And you know, I consider Phil Schneider too, 170 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: even though he was considered controversial, I think that he 171 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: was being one hundred percent on the level about what 172 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 3: he experienced. He risked, he died, He got no fame, 173 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: he got no money, He got nothing except the satisfaction 174 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: of being able to tell his story to an audience 175 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 3: that was finally ready to receive it. And as an 176 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 3: alien abduction experiencer of over forty years, I can tell 177 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: you that it takes an enormous amount of courage and 178 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: determination to tell these stories of my experiences, to communicate 179 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 3: what has been communicated to me, to put forth every 180 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 3: bit of evidence that I possibly can to help people 181 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: who mock me for it, who who say that I'm 182 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: delusional or that I'm lying, or that I'm on the take, 183 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: when nothing could be further from the truth in my 184 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: life reflects that in every way, to know that you 185 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 3: are going to be mocked, you are going to be 186 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 3: made fun of, you are going to get passed over, 187 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 3: You are going to be pathologized, that celebrities like Neil 188 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 3: deGrasse Tyson are going to use you as a pinata 189 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: on social media. And I do it anyway because that's 190 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 3: how important it is. And people like Phil Schneider gave 191 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 3: the last measure of devotion to this topic and to 192 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 3: people like me, and so I honor that, and I 193 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: honor the people who are still living with this phenomenon today. 194 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 195 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: one am Eastern, and go to Coast to coastam dot 196 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: com for more