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Speaker 1: That's quite the coinkie think right. What do both of

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Speaker 1: Turner Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I, Nancy Grace, this

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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious x M one eleven. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to this. It was difficult to fathom how

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Speaker 1: two civil servants and two neighboring towns, both in their

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Speaker 1: had something else in common. The two men were both

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Speaker 1: I couldn't turn to get on the phone quick enough.

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Speaker 1: I call the Elite investigator and I just basically said,

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Speaker 1: there's no way you could have two young guys like

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Speaker 1: just a tragic coincidence, and local prosecutors found no evidence

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Speaker 1: the two deaths were connected. After all, Lynn Turner had

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Speaker 1: no criminal history. I actually just thought that it was

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Speaker 1: criminal law. With me an all star panel to figure

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Speaker 1: this thing out. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, court TV

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Speaker 1: anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Renown psycho Alice joining

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Speaker 1: me out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall at doctor

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com, Founder director of the Cold Case

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Speaker 1: Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum, former chief medical examiner for the

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Speaker 1: this case, and lead news anchor w DBO joining us,

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Speaker 1: Ray Caputo. Ray Caputo, First of all, who is Lynn Turner? Well,

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Speaker 1: Lynn Turner is, And she's anocuous looking woman when you

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Speaker 1: me just say, very impressive. I mean, you know, Cheryl McCollum,

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Speaker 1: have you ever seen Lynn Turner? Oh? Yes, absolutely. I

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Speaker 1: because it was just two dead bodies connected to her.

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Speaker 1: But I will never forget hiding in a parking lot.

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Speaker 1: so what does she do for a living? Ray Kaputo, Well,

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Speaker 1: she wanted to be a cop, Nancy, and apparently she

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, I was you the example of Jim Jones,

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Speaker 1: You know what, Cheryl, take a listen to this. This

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Speaker 1: Glenn Turner. Glenn didn't have any enemies. Glenn just got

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Speaker 1: had a heart attack. Wouldn't you just natch Lowton? There

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Speaker 1: be an autopsy when someone that young passes away. Well

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Speaker 1: there was an autopsy, and and what did not was

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Speaker 1: not figured out, actually until I figured it out a

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Speaker 1: few years later, after Randy Thompson died. The pathologist never

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Speaker 1: looked at the tissue slides from the kidneys or ready, oh,

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Speaker 1: let me make an out of that. Never looked at

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Speaker 1: tissue slide. Well you know what you just mentioned, m

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00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: Mandy Thompson. Take a listen to this doctor's berry. First,

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00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: he fell off a fire truck and coming Georgia and

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00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: broke his nose. When he had surgery to repair the damage,

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Speaker 1: he developed a life threatening staff infection. The doctors told

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Speaker 1: him this is a very very serious situation. You can

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00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: die from this very easily. Randy survived that, but his

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00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: health problems continued. One of his friends found him sprawled

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00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: on his kitchen floor, vomiting and incoherent. He started hallucinating

439
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: and he looked at me said get back in your

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00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: damn cage and let I said, what getting your cage?

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00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: What are you talking about, Randy, I said, getting your cage.

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00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: That'll realize he thought he was talking to his bird.

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00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: This was diagnosed as a severe stomach virus, but gradually

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00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: he improved thanks to help from his common law wife Lynn.

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00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: Every time, I thought, doing me sounds stronger and stronger,

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00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: and he said, Lynde bade me grilled cheese with sweet tea.

447
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: He said, I held it down, didn't throw it up.

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00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: That's well good, Randy, sask this and maybe you're on

449
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: the you're on the uphill slide of this. Two days later,

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00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: his condition deteriorated, and Randy Thompson died. Hallucinations again. Says

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00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: that you're feeling better after your kamal law wife gives

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00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: you grilled cheese and sweet tea. Listen to Sharon Martin.

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00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: Randy had spent much of the weekend in bed, tended

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Speaker 1: by his girlfriend, Lynde Turner. Sunday afternoon, Limb said she

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Speaker 1: went by and carried him some food, some chicken sue,

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Speaker 1: and the following morning his friends from the fire department

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00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: had come by to check on him. He actually had

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Speaker 1: a doctor's appointment that a friend of his was going

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00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: to take him to but there was no answer at

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00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: the door. Nobody can get in. He's not answering the phone.

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00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: Randy was home, however, looking in the window, the firefighters

462
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: could see their friends sprawled out on the sofa, but

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00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: he didn't appear to be napping. Randy didn't respond at

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Speaker 1: all to nobs yells. My husband was a volunteer firefighter,

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Speaker 1: so I turned on his pager and I could hear

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00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: the two way talk on the radio, so I knew

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00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: that they were there. I knew something at that point

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00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: was really wrong. Worried for his friend, one of the

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00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: firefighters quickly kicked in the door, but it was too late.

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00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: Randy was already dead. So here you have boyfriend and

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Speaker 1: husband both dead. To Ray Kaputo, the fact that they

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00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: were both having hallucinations just before their death. Both seemed

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Speaker 1: to feel better just before their death, then die very

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Speaker 1: very coincidental. Ray Kaputo was Glenn Turner, the husband. The

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00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: first lover was his body zoomed. His body was eventually

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Speaker 1: exhumed Nancy. After all this started taking place, and later

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00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: things were learned, but obviously nobody knew anything until they

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00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: started putting the pieces together. After the boyfriend that the

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00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: second person that Lynn was involved with die too. Ashley Wilcott,

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00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: you know how hard it is to get a body examed.

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00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: You have to jump through a lot of legal hoops,

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00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: you absolutely do, and you have to file, you have

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00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: to get a court order, and it is very tough

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00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: to do crime stories with Nancy Grace. You may wonder

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00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: what could be a potential motive to kill not one

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00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: but two. Me and Listen investigators made a startling discovery.

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00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: Even though Randy Thompson had only thirty five thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: worth of life insurance, Lynn was in a big hurry

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Speaker 1: to collect it. We were able to determine and through

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00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: cell phone records at on the day of Randy's funeral,

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Speaker 1: between the time of the service and the church and

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Speaker 1: the service that was held at the cemetery, Lynn was

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00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: on her cell phone trying to contact the insurance company.

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Speaker 1: Maybe there was more to the death of these two

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Speaker 1: men than first appeared. Lynn must have had something to

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Speaker 1: do with some of this, because there is no way

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Speaker 1: to young men police officer in the firefighter dying at

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Speaker 1: a young age without somebody doing something. But it took

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Speaker 1: a medical examiner to bring it all to ahead. Listen,

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00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: doctor capon and learned what happened until Lynn Turner's first husband, Glenn,

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00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: six years earlier. On a hunch, he reviewed Glenn Turner's

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Speaker 1: autopsy report. He looked at all the tissues and polarized

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Speaker 1: law long in the kid he as I do in

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00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: all my cases, and to my surprise, there were Auxley

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00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: crystals in Glynn Turner's kidneys. So doctor Caponin went back

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Speaker 1: to the toxicology lab and asked them to recheck the

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00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: test results on Randy Thompson's tissue samples, and the lab

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00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: discovered they'd made a mathematical error. I immediately realized that

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00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: I had made an error in calculating the original concentration.

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00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: But I think like on Randy Thompson's flood, and in fact,

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00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: I was off by a factor of ten. When we

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00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: made the appropriate correction for the mathematical error that I

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00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: had made, suddenly became an elite the level of ethyne

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00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: glacol well with me, the former chief medical examiner for

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Speaker 1: the whole state of Georgia, doctor Chris Sperry, And what

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00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: you said earlier about the lab results, You're right, they

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00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: were not checked carefully. What happened. Doctor Sperry Component had

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Speaker 1: when he had done the autopsy on Randy Thompson. He

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00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: found these crystals in the kidneys that were very mysterious,

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00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: and he brought those to me to look at. And

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00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: I was suspicious as well. And that's when I called

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Speaker 1: up the Cobb County Medical Examiner's office and asked for

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Speaker 1: the tissue slides that they had made after Glynn Turner's death.

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Speaker 1: And a few days later I got the slides. And

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Speaker 1: that was when I figured out that the slides had

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00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: never been reviewed, had never been looked at, because they

527
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: were still glued in their little spaces in the cardboard

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00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: container that we store slides in. They were made but

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00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: never looked at. So we looked at the slides, started

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00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: Component and I, and sure enough the crystals were in

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Speaker 1: the kidneys of Glynn Turner. And that put two a

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Speaker 1: two together. As I have told you many many times

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Speaker 1: in your former office at the Medical Examiner's headquarters, would

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00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: you please repeat that in regular people talk everything you

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00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: just said? Sure? Could you just say that again and

536
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: slow it down for trial lawyers like myself to understand?

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00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Oh? Sure, well, Doctor Components had brought me

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00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: the tissue slides from Randy Thompson, and we found crystals,

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00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: the little shiny crystals that glow like Christmas trees in

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00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: the kidneys from Randy Thompson's autopsy. But there's only a

541
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: few things that these crystals could be come from, and

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00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: one of those things that's pretty high on the list

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00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: is anti freeze. The chemical name is ethlee glycol. But

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00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: if someone drinks anti freeze, the body will try to

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00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: metabolize the anti freeze and it ended up as crystal

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00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: deposited in the kidneys, which actually will make the kidneys

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00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: shut down. So looking at that, and we had no

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00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: reason to glind Turner to, I assumed be Randy Thompson

549
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: did not have any diseases or medical conditions that would

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00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: cause him to form these types of crystals. Then I

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00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: didn't actually myself called the Cobb County Medical Examiner's office

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00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: and asked for tissue slides from glind Turners of autopsy

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00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: and I got them. They were said to me in

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Speaker 1: a couple of days in a plastic card in a

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00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: cardboard contain we store slides in these tissue slides we

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00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: make from autopsy tissues, and lord behold the slides had

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00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: never been removed from that cardboard container, because they will

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00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: sometimes get little dabs of glue that we use in

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00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: making the slides that will make them stick to the

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00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: cardboard container. And all of them were stuck down. They

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00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: had never been looked at. So doctor component and I

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00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: put them under the microscope, I would behold. We found

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00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: the same type of crystals in that we had seen

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00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: in Randy Thompson's kidney slides. We found the same types

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00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: of crystals and Glenn turners. And with both of those together,

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00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: the only thing that would cause crystals in the kidneys

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00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: of two otherwise healthy men would be anti freeze poisoning.

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00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: Doctor Sperry. I'm just curious. When you order them, and

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00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: based on what you're learning, you go, hey, I want

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00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: to see those slides. You order them, and you put

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00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: the slide. You see they've never been taken out of

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00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: the container because they're still kind of glued in. You

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00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: take them out, you put them, I guess under a microscope, right,

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00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: and you see these, as you say, crystals. What does

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00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: that look like for the rest of us, what can

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00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: we how can we compare that? It looks like looking

577
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: at a bunch of stars on a dark night, looking

578
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: up and see it all stars. You're cutting out on me,

579
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: But stars, okay, You're findings suddenly lead to an investigation,

580
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: and we learned that Lynn Turner had gone to an

581
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: animal shelter and try to purchase a chemical used to

582
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: kill cats. Some people believe that she wanted to kill

583
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: boyfriend Randy Thompson. In the end, she's taken a trial.

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Speaker 1: That's when I staked her out in a parking lot,

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00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: and she is found guilty on a double murder. But

586
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: that is not the end of the story. Lynn Turner

587
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: goes to jail. But to you, doctor Chris Berry, how

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00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: does this story ultimately end? A few years after she

589
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: was imprisoned, we got a call one morning that she

590
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: had been found dead in her cell, and so that,

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00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: you know, gets her an automatic autopsy. And I did

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00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: the autopsy myself, and what I found was that she

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00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: had saved up. She had high blood pressure, and instead

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00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: of taking her high blood pressure pills every day, she

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00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: saved them up surreptitiously. And once she had we figure

596
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: about forty to fifty of the of the high blood

597
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: blood pressure medicine pills, she took all of them all

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Speaker 1: at one time. And killed herself. What would that do

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00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: to you? Taking that many high bloo pressure pills, that

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00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: particular pill, what it would do Her heart would gradually

601
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: slow down because that particular pill affects the way the

602
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: heart beats, and it will slow the heart down normally,

603
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: and in toxic doses, it will just cause the heart

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00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: to ultimately slow down and stop on its own Doctor's berry.

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00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: As I recall, she fed Randy Thompson annie freeze sweet

606
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: tasting and sweet tea, and fed Gland Turner annie freeze

607
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: in jello. Remember that. Yeah, the end of the story.

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00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: Questions answered, But the memory of these two men still

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00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: burn in the minds of their families. Nancy Grace Crime Stories,

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,