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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Friday. Oh and there's

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Speaker 1: allready news breaking my kind of news. All right. Former

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Speaker 1: Bears Dots Dave wants that joins us at an hour.

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Speaker 1: It is another bumpy day, Jmax for Caleb Williams. So

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Speaker 1: we know an OTAs Ben Jonson Dot you know, a

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Speaker 1: little miffed couldn't get the play into the huddles. They're

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Speaker 1: asking them to do some different stuff sometimes under center.

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Speaker 1: A lot of those coaches like that. Sean Payton likes that.

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Speaker 1: So are you ready for the new news? Jmac laying

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Speaker 1: on me, big guy. Okay, So yesterday, three days ago,

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Speaker 1: he struggled. Ben Johnson was furious couldn't get to play

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Speaker 1: in and out. Yesterday struggled with a deep ball. Today,

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams two red zone picks, one tip ball another

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Speaker 1: one horrible pass. So three days in a row, it's

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Speaker 1: gotten a little bumpy for Caleb Williams. So people say,

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Speaker 1: I hear athletes say this. I hear people say that

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Speaker 1: you can't take a lot from camp. You can see

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Speaker 1: red flags positive negative, Andrew Luck, Jaden Daniels first week

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Speaker 1: of camp, Commander's colts. You were hearing glowing reports. Disastrous

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Speaker 1: first dates rarely become great, thirty year marriages. I've interviewed

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Speaker 1: lots of people in my life. Disastrous interviews never become great.

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Speaker 1: Higher it matters. Sean Payton last year was texting me

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Speaker 1: in August. He's like bow Knicks. That may take a

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Speaker 1: few starts. Guy's gonna be good by October. Bow Nicks

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Speaker 1: one h three passer rating. You can see good. It

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Speaker 1: can be one of those musical shows. It can be

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Speaker 1: an athlete, It can be an interview, it could be

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Speaker 1: a first date. You can see stuff. Or do they

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Speaker 1: say men decide in eight seconds, Women decide in eight

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Speaker 1: minutes if they want to spend any time with this person.

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Speaker 1: So Caleb Williams was sold as a generational talent. We

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Speaker 1: were all hoping it would be this generation, right, like,

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Speaker 1: how long do you want us to ask?

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Speaker 3: Last?

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Speaker 1: And wait? So remember this Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson's first

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Speaker 1: year with Jared Goff. Let's go back to that. Remember

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Speaker 1: that that Lions team twenty twenty two was not the

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Speaker 1: roster it is now. The old line wasn't quite set.

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff first year with Ben Johnson. Now the Bears coach,

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Speaker 1: the NFL twenty nine touchdown seven, picks seventh and passer

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Speaker 1: rating sixth in passing yards. And again, that Lion's team

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Speaker 1: isn't the one now. That's three off seasons ago. The

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Speaker 1: Lions team now I don't think is as good offensively

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Speaker 1: I feel this Quarterbacks in twenty twenty five are a

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Speaker 1: little bit like streaming shows.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 1: If you're not getting me by the second episode early,

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Speaker 1: I'm out. Used to be three year. Give Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: three years. Those days are over. Private coaching seven on

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Speaker 1: seven camps. You can transfer in high school and college

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Speaker 1: to a better place. Those days are over. He's gotta

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Speaker 1: be good by late September and early October. And that

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Speaker 1: streaming show you know it and I know it by

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Speaker 1: the second episode. If you're eight ten minutes ten and

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Speaker 1: you're like the writing's bad, it doesn't work, You're on

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Speaker 1: to another streaming show or another service. And so I

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Speaker 1: think you got to grab people early in this relationship.

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Speaker 1: So Ben Johnson yesterday say it's not as bad as

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Speaker 1: it was reported, but today seven on seven drills, red

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Speaker 4: I know some people enjoyed me throwing the first team

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Speaker 5: Not the case.

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Speaker 4: We got to end up executing getting in and out

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Speaker 4: of the huddle a certain way, and it wasn't that way.

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Speaker 1: make good points. Hero Ball runs backwards. A lot of

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Speaker 1: this NFL quarterback stuff is work ethic and getting in

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Speaker 1: So yesterday I did a rant and it got a

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Speaker 1: had this rant that Lebron will never be as beloved

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Speaker 1: And Lebron has been you know, I called him and

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Speaker 1: my Rant the ultimate basketball opportunist, and it was seen

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Speaker 1: as a shot at Lebron. And I want to add clarity,

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Speaker 1: it's not I would have left Cleveland the first time too.

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Speaker 1: Seven years couldn't get him an All Star. You don't owe

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Speaker 1: Eric Spolstra, Mickey Harrison, the owner, and pat Riley, no

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Speaker 1: Miami Heat are always in contention for great free agents.

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Speaker 1: I would have stayed there. Now people say, well, Lebron

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Speaker 1: his heart was in Cleveland. No, it wasn't. He left

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Speaker 1: it a second time. He understood going to Cleveland was

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Speaker 1: I'm not banging on people who leave Cleveland. Our staff

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Speaker 1: So I'm not banging on that. But don't tell me

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Speaker 1: that Lebron Cleveland's where his heart is. He's not going

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Speaker 1: and he could play with bigger stars because bigger stars

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Speaker 1: like Luke and Ad liked the brand. Play in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: the downside of that is that you know you never

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Speaker 1: with that, the upside to moving around a lot. And

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Speaker 1: Lebron has seen this. He's overall played with better teammates.

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Speaker 1: Michael's best teammate, He's got one great one, Scottie Pippen.

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Speaker 1: Lebron's been to more finals. Lebron's had fewer long drought

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Speaker 1: love the perseverance. There is a beauty in the struggle.

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Speaker 1: They make thirty for thirties on the struggle. They're almost

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Speaker 1: all about somebody overcoming turbulence, chaos, fighting and winning. That's

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Speaker 1: where they make thirty for thirties from and sports is romanticized,

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Speaker 1: and we've always thought of Michael as part of our

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Speaker 1: sports love story. Lebron has simply been transactional. That's the

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Speaker 1: downside to being the best basketball opportunists ever. You played

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Speaker 1: So I know you're thinking, I'm obsessing about this Caleb

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Speaker 1: And I don't think it takes long on a date

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Speaker 1: see trouble. Sean Payton was texting me last year in

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Speaker 1: good soon. And by October boon Nicks was a really

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a perfect seamless move from what Drew Brees

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Speaker 5: look at Caleb Williams. Those are two polar opposite quarterbacks,

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Speaker 5: and I just wonder. I'm starting to wonder, and again

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Speaker 5: I probably shouldn't, but this is you hammering away at

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Speaker 1: We started our show an hour ago talking about Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: a little out of touch his last four or five

429
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Speaker 1: years in New England. The whole darn league now is

430
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Speaker 1: about quarterbacks and offensive coaches. And Mike McDaniel goes to

431
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Speaker 1: Miami and everybody loved him. He was quirky, he was unique,

432
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Speaker 1: and I take away now two three years later, is

433
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: a lot of sizzle, not a lot of steak. They

434
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: don't run the ball. It's a lot of clever, it's

435
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: a lot of multiple sets in motion. I would move

436
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Speaker 1: off Tyreek Hill. I would, I would get picks. I

437
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: don't think it's working in Miami. I don't think it is.

438
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Speaker 1: You've been there. What are your thoughts on that?

439
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, two thoughts. Number one, the Tyreek Hill situation.

440
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

441
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Speaker 3: How do you have an outside shot to go to

442
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 3: the playoffs as a wild park, which they did last

443
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: year and some things had a fall right, but that

444
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: last game if they win and two or three things

445
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 3: happened and your best player, Tyreek Hill, does not go

446
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 3: in the game, and they asked you that at a

447
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: press conference and you don't have an answer. I'm still

448
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 3: like taking back a little bit by that response and

449
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 3: the other thing that bothers me. And you hit it

450
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 3: right on the head. You know, Chris Breer was on

451
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: my staff when I was there. He was one of

452
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Speaker 3: my scouts. Great. I thought it was very good. I

453
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: don't know Mike is a head coach. But the players

454
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 3: that they signed as free agents, the players that they drafted.

455
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Speaker 3: The first comment out of everybody's moth this year at

456
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 3: Miami was he's a tough guy. Oh, we've drafted the

457
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: big tackle grant out of Michigan. But you know why

458
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 3: he is a tough guy. It's weak, it's it's it's

459
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: you know. I hate to say this, but it's probably

460
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: too late. It's like, halfway through the season you decide

461
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 3: that you want to run the football. It's too late.

462
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: That's training camp and now all of a sudden they

463
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Speaker 3: want to become a tough football team. I just don't.

464
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't.

465
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: It's gonna be very difficult to turn that mindset.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny about guys like Kyle Shanahan,

467
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: Matt lafleur, and Sean McVay, even though they're offensive coaches,

468
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: they love the run game. They loved Shanahan and McVay

469
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: and Lafleur love power football, and so I think sometimes

470
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: I think McDaniel again, I just I understood the media

471
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: falling for it. But it was a lot of motion

472
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff didn't matter. But the difference

473
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Speaker 1: between Shanahan and McDaniel, because there's a lot of the

474
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: same offenses. Shanahan runs the ball. He loves to run

475
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: the ball, and we all know.

476
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 3: The quarterback is the key to all this stuff. At

477
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: the end of the day, two is down there saying

478
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 3: that he hasn't patched it up yet. He has a

479
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 3: problem with Tyreek Hill. They haven't really bonded since the

480
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Speaker 3: end of the season when Tyreek Hill said he didn't

481
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 3: want to have any to do with the Dolphins, he

482
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 3: didn't like their culture. Well, I tell you what happened

483
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 3: to miniicamps, Colin, what happened to OTAs. These guys had

484
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: six months to work through that problem, that issue, whatever

485
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: it is, to what extent, I don't know. But when

486
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: you got your starting quarterback coming out during training camp

487
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: saying I got a problem with him. We're not on

488
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: the same page. That's concerns the heck out of me.

489
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Speaker 1: When I watched the old Dallas Cowboy films NFL films,

490
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: and you were part of that great team with Jimmy Johnson,

491
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: and I hear Troy Aikman, Jimmy had left, Barry was there,

492
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: and and Troy is lighting guys up, and he's questioning

493
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: maturity on his teammates. He's questioning maturity, and I think

494
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: that takes That's why I like my quarterbacks sometimes to

495
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: be a grown up here and Shadoor Sanders gets two tickets,

496
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: And finally Andrew Berry came out and said, that's just

497
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: not smart. What do you do You don't have a

498
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: dominant quarterback, you drafted two kids, you got Kenny Pickett?

499
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: What do you do with tickets? How do you address it?

500
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: As a coach? It would be so hard for me

501
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: to watch Shador Sanders and not make judgments on him

502
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: based on driving ninety miles an hour as a fifth

503
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: round rookie. I would have a hard time looking at

504
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: him the same way. What do you make of what

505
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: he did? And how how much do you think that

506
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: will hurt his Cleveland experience?

507
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: I think it's going to affect him. I'll tell you why.

508
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: You know, he's a quarterback. If you're a defensive lineman,

509
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: it's still wrong, It still would concern you. But I'll

510
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: be honest with you. I've had defensive linemen that it's

511
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 3: kind of fallen into the same mentality. Always something you

512
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: know going on with the guy. No one ever talked

513
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 3: about it. But your quarterback is the face of the

514
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: program and everything is going to be magnified that this

515
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: kid does. And the second thing that really bothers me is,

516
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: you know and I'm sure Dion's told him this, son,

517
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: there's a reason that you fell from the first round

518
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 3: down to the fours and fifth round. There's a reason

519
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 3: for that. Okay, we cannot give these people any reason

520
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: to think anything negative about you except football performance. If

521
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 3: the football performance isn't good enough, hey, that's it. But

522
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 3: don't give them any other reason. And here we go.

523
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: We got a reason to just put a little doubt

524
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Speaker 3: in your minds, not just for Cleveland, whether with Cleveland

525
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: or anybody else. There's a lot of GMS that passed

526
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: on this kid, a lot of GMS, and I'm up

527
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: to to draft him. Why.

528
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: I don't know all.

529
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: The details that this is just not good overall. I

530
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 3: don't think it's just another check to the box.

531
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: So you know, I was saying this this week and

532
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: it sounds weird. I said, the most important thing when

533
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: you take a job is your quarterback. That's why Harbaugh

534
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: took the Chargers, justin Herbert. But the second most important

535
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: thing is ownership. And I said, I think I would

536
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: take the Niners job which has good ownership, and a

537
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: which has great ownership and a good quarterback. Brought Purty

538
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: over going to Cincinnati, where Burrow's great, but I don't

539
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: trust the scouting department. I don't trust the ownership. And

540
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: I said, I worry about Joe Burrow becoming Matt Stafford,

541
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: where we all know he's great, but there's it's a

542
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: circus of coaches. They don't draft well enough. The organization

543
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: at the top isn't good enough. So I saw a

544
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: story this week about Joe Burrell. He was upset about

545
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: more holdouts. How do you think the Burrow thing? How

546
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: do you think it plays out? Because Dave, he's the

547
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: best quarterback. Last year, there's an argument he was the

548
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: league's best quarterback. He was the best quarterback in the

549
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: league and did not make the playoffs. How did you

550
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: are you worried that he becomes Stafford in Detroit?

551
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, I think you have to be, you know,

552
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: because I don't know even with Henderson and their number

553
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: one draft picks hold out to right the past rusher

554
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 3: from Texas A and M. But I would say this.

555
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just remind me of a little story. You know.

556
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: I worked for the Dolphins with coach Shula for six

557
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: weeks before Jimmy got the Dallas job, and Coach Shuler

558
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: told me Tward. I'm gonna dispute your priorities here. He said,

559
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: you know the different day between this NFL job and

560
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: the UH in college. And I said, no, coach, and

561
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: he said, well, I understand who the most important people

562
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: are in the NFL. Number one year owner, number two

563
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: year owner, and number three year owner.

564
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: So that's just.

565
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: I don't know this coach. If Coach Schuler knew anything

566
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 3: then and then, but that was his philosophy. But I

567
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: would say to this, Okay, I don't know. It's a distraction.

568
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: The first thought that comes to my mind is it's

569
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: a distraction, and you do not Last year it was

570
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: receivers getting them signed. And man, the quickest way to

571
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: be defeated. You've heard me say this when we did

572
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: shows together, is to be distracted. And right now this

573
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: football team is distracted. And you know, you know, Mike

574
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: Brown said, yeah, we'll get him signed. I mean, he's

575
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: thirty years old. You know what the market is, what

576
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: what God and what Miles Garrett, you know what the

577
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: pay this guy? Because you know the reason when you

578
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: have a good, a great offense like you have with

579
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: Burrow and that group of receivers, a great offense, it's

580
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: going to score points at the end of the game.

581
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: We always talk about you have to have defensive closures,

582
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: and who are your closers. It's your pass rushers, your

583
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: two pass rushers, and your two corners. They're the guys.

584
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: If you don't have them, you have a tough time

585
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: stopping people when they're throwing it. And you do have

586
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: the lead. That was the Dolphins problem for years with

587
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 3: Dan Marino. He did a lead, couldn't get off the

588
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: field on defense and they get on a score. I mean,

589
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: he's thirty years old, so you get three good years

590
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: on sim to a three year contract. This is my opinion.

591
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 3: Simon to a three year contract and let Burrow you know,

592
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: in three years. I mean, you know, I don't know.

593
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: It just bothers me that you would let this distraction.

594
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on with their number one pick,

595
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: the rookie, the defensive end. You know, language or something

596
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: I read somebody said, I don't know about these rookie

597
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: contracts anymore. You know what he's talking about with language.

598
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: But do you need these two guys in there? You

599
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: need them in there now.

600
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

601
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: And it should be noted that when Hendrickson did not play.

602
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: They're like thirty second with the pass rush, so he

603
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: is their pass rush. Finally, Dave wants that joining us.

604
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 1: One of my favorite people. I've said this with Nick Saban.

605
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: He's not going back to college, Dave, because with the

606
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: NIL you have to pay so much money for players

607
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: fifteen million. You have to go to your boosters to

608
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: get fifteen million bucks. You're not going to buy out

609
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: a coach for sixty million, pay Nick Saban seventy million,

610
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: raise fifteen There's too much money. Now, you're not going

611
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: to fire your coach. Nick's not going to coach college.

612
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: He already did great there. But I do think because

613
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: of the way Miami ended, he would take a call

614
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: if arch Manning went to the Saints or arch Manning

615
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: went to Cleveland, I think he would take the phone call.

616
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 6: Do you.

617
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: He would take the phone call just because you know,

618
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: everybody wants to be wanted. Everybody wants to you know,

619
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: and I can speak from Jimmy. I mean, I'm not

620
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: getting into the teams. But even when Jimmy was into

621
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: Fox several years okay, when he was done with it

622
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: all that, he called me one time in particular and

623
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: was offered so much money to run the whole thing

624
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 3: coach GM everything with the team, and he took the call,

625
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: you know, but obviously he didn't have any interest in

626
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: doing it. So I think that's where Nick's are at

627
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: right now, where Belichick's enjoying us. I saw Bill's press

628
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: conference and he's talking about going out and meeting with alumni.

629
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: How much he enjoyed going to other sports men's and

630
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: women's and meeting the student athletes. You know, it's new

631
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: to Bill, So he's enjoying it right now. You know Nick,

632
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 3: Nick's kind of going. He's traveled that road. I don't

633
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: see Nick getting back into it.

634
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: By the way, how do you think Belichick does.

635
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna do good, you know, the biggest

636
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: and I did it with Pitt when I went back

637
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 3: to Pitt and I had some really good players obviously,

638
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: you know ReBs and that company. What happens, though, is

639
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 3: you don't have the restriction in colleagues with classes and

640
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: the time. You don't have him Bill as such a

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Speaker 3: perfectionist and you know, do it over, do it over,

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Speaker 3: meet more, watch more tape the time. Restrictions in college

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Speaker 3: are the number one thing that gets you when you

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Speaker 3: separate the NFL from college football, in my opinion, and

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Speaker 3: players aren't gonna have it down as pat and they're

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Speaker 3: college kids, which all of a sudden, you might be

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Speaker 3: doing a fabulous job coaching, and you may have a

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Speaker 3: lot of talent, but they make a mistake because you

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Speaker 3: can't spend the time with them in college that you

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Speaker 3: can in the NFL. That's the hurdle he's going to

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Speaker 3: have to get over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's always been my point about, Like I said this,

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Speaker 1: Bill Walsh coached in college, but the college limitations limited

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Speaker 1: how brilliant Bill Walsh could be. But when you gave

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Speaker 1: him fifty hours a week or Belichick all that extra time,

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Speaker 1: Bill's the best defensive coach ever. Bill Walsh the best

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Speaker 1: offensive coach ever. If you told Andy Read he only

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Speaker 1: got seventeen hours a week and he'd be pulling his

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Speaker 1: hair out. Dave Vonstadt as always coached great. Seeing you