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Speaker 1: of the players, or maybe it should be a day
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Speaker 1: day off for talking cowboys, right, guys. No, there's no
Speaker 1: day off training camp period. Embrace the grind. That's right.
Speaker 1: We're five days into this thing as far as the
Speaker 1: players schedule is concerned, because they've had four practices, although
Speaker 1: they did have a conditioning test day prior to that,
Speaker 1: so it's we're a week into this thing. This is
Speaker 1: the This is the seventh day that the team has
Speaker 1: been here in Oxnard, California. They arrived last Tuesday and
Speaker 1: this being and on the seventh day they rested the
Speaker 1: players by by NFL rule. That's right, right, right, Not
Speaker 1: that the coaches wanted to rest the player. Ever do
Speaker 1: the Players Association wants them to be rested today? But
Speaker 1: here we are talking cowboys and we've got two padded
Speaker 1: practices under our belt. There's so much to talk about,
Speaker 1: not only from the practice field behind us, but interviews
Speaker 1: to go on after practice and so forth. Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: did his car wash last night. We'll get into that
Speaker 1: a little bit over the course of the next hour.
Speaker 1: But do we start things off? The phone number is
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Speaker 1: us a call and any questions that you have about
Speaker 1: this team. But you're takeaway from the first weekend of
Speaker 1: training camp. How about we start with the elder statesman down. Oh,
Speaker 1: it would be very nice, but my voice is not cracking.
Speaker 1: You know, you had to work late last Night's right,
Speaker 1: a lot of talking. I think my my initial takeaway
Speaker 1: when the pads came on was just how well the
Speaker 1: UH offensive line UH played. The first team offensive line
Speaker 1: has played. UH. They totally dominated that first pad practice yesterday.
Speaker 1: The defensive UH line did a little bit better. UH,
Speaker 1: they had some moments. But I thought the fact that, um,
Speaker 1: you were integrating a rookie at left guard, and you know,
Speaker 1: we were all wondering how that was going to work out,
Speaker 1: and I thought he held his own against some kind
Speaker 1: of veteran defensive lineman, uh, Connor Williams, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, uh, it was that offensive line, uh, and
Speaker 1: the fact that I was a little roble attest to
Speaker 1: this little skeptical about Cameron Fleming. He just I mean
Speaker 1: when when they weren't in pads, it looked like his
Speaker 1: knees were locked, like he couldn't bend. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the pads came on and they had
Speaker 1: some drills, and he did much better than I expected
Speaker 1: him to do. So that made me feel a little
Speaker 1: bit better about the left tackle backup left tackle spot.
Speaker 1: But I'll reserve judgment on that. You know what, I
Speaker 1: took a closer look at him during the one on
Speaker 1: one pass rushtrills yesterday because of what you said, and
Speaker 1: you're kind of right, like it's not super pretty, and
Speaker 1: he looks like he's struggling for a while, and before
Speaker 1: you know what, the drills over and he's kind of
Speaker 1: locked his man in position. He did that against Coney Eli. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyway, I think that's my initial rep. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody else's and I was encouraged. But what I saw
Speaker 1: from the whole group of wide receivers, the whole group,
Speaker 1: and there's it's a versatile group. They all got some
Speaker 1: assets that I think can help and maybe not as
Speaker 1: bad as everybody was expected. Right, If Reggie Jackson is
Speaker 1: mister October, then Byron Jones is mister training Camp because
Speaker 1: we saw last year what he was able to do
Speaker 1: and we all thought he was off and running. I
Speaker 1: think the transition to cornerback has gone very smoothly for
Speaker 1: him right now. We've seen him be able to make
Speaker 1: a couple of different plays. He had a really nice
Speaker 1: play yesterday in the one on one period where he
Speaker 1: was able uh Lance Lenora tried to hit him on
Speaker 1: a double move and there was some separation there. And
Speaker 1: the way that Byron Jones was able to play the
Speaker 1: ball with his off hand the day before he had
Speaker 1: the interception, so he looks very comfortable. I never thought
Speaker 1: i'd see a day where Cole Beasley would convert a
Speaker 1: third down playing as a wide outside receiver. I always
Speaker 1: thought his work was best in the slot, but we
Speaker 1: saw that a little bit yesterday against a Woozier. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's there's there's been there's questions. We're a week into it.
Speaker 1: You got two more weeks to really kind of figure
Speaker 1: some other things out. But I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: some of the positions, like Mickey was talking about, you
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen at the swing tackle, you know
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen at wide receiver. I think for the
Speaker 1: most part, things are kind of running on the tracks
Speaker 1: right now. It doesn't like anything is is really going where.
Speaker 1: It's like, boy that that group is at a hole
Speaker 1: is not looking at I mean, Thompson's making plays. We
Speaker 1: talked about Beasley's making plays. Alan Hearns is making plays
Speaker 1: out here. So I think it boats pretty well because
Speaker 1: we all have a pretty high opinion of what the secondary,
Speaker 1: the young secondary can do, and some of these guys
Speaker 1: are making some plays. I thought Dak Prescott had a
Speaker 1: nice day on his twenty fifth birthday. It was his
Speaker 1: birthday as he was serenaded by the crowd before practice.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Alan Hearns. He made some plays yesterday. Cole
Speaker 1: Beasley has been outstanding the first couple of padded practices,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, through the first week, it's always
Speaker 1: easier to see what the receivers are doing, even usually
Speaker 1: before the pads come on. The fact that he's been
Speaker 1: running all over the place and has been lining up
Speaker 1: everywhere and doing some different things and still being effective.
Speaker 1: I think it's really impressive. And you mentioned what he
Speaker 1: put on the movie. Put on a Woozier. That was
Speaker 1: a realistic route for that drive because it was about
Speaker 1: three seconds ball out of Dak's hand, quick stutter step,
Speaker 1: move inside and he shook the best corner on the team.
Speaker 1: Third and three play, you know, and you've got to
Speaker 1: win on the outside and Prescott. It's funny because when
Speaker 1: you watched the throw, he knew exactly where he was
Speaker 1: throwing the football. He did not he did not think about, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's third down. Who am I going to get
Speaker 1: going here? He knew that he could throw the ball inside,
Speaker 1: and Beasley's been pretty damn near automatic with on the
Speaker 1: fault except when they miss him. It's not it's not
Speaker 1: now on the flip side of that, though, we talk
Speaker 1: about the wide receivers, and maybe it's one of your questions,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was a really rough day for
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. Yeah, and at the end of practice, even
Speaker 1: when they're running air. You tend to see receivers when
Speaker 1: they're really not feeling it confidence wise. They fight the ball.
Speaker 1: They're fighting it that like, you know, my hands and
Speaker 1: my hands in the right place and all that, and
Speaker 1: I feel like that. You know, He's had some really
Speaker 1: some good moments, but yesterday was one of those days
Speaker 1: where he was probably afterward he was kind of thinking, Man,
Speaker 1: I just wish I could have had that practice back,
Speaker 1: because he did have some some drops that, you know,
Speaker 1: and one of the it started really in the one
Speaker 1: on one drill. He runs a beautiful route to separate
Speaker 1: on a slam. I mean, it's textbook how he gets
Speaker 1: to defend her out of the way and now he's inside.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is finish, and that kind
Speaker 1: of started the snowball rolling down the hill and he
Speaker 1: just could not quite get the snowball to stop. He
Speaker 1: had a day in mini camp where he had some
Speaker 1: drops too, and it's just about finishing plays. And I
Speaker 1: talked to him afterwards and I said, are you are
Speaker 1: you thinking about yards after catch early? And he said,
Speaker 1: I'm just I think I've got it. You know, he's
Speaker 1: thinking about the next move more than finishing the play
Speaker 1: and maybe that's a that's a rookie thing. He has
Speaker 1: a ton of talent and we saw him absolutely padded
Speaker 1: practice day. He had a good day. We had it over.
Speaker 1: They headed over there after when you were talking to him,
Speaker 1: and and uh, that was one of the most impressive
Speaker 1: things about him. What a stand up guy, bad practice
Speaker 1: and he he was accountable. He was And there's a
Speaker 1: lot you know there we've thrown. You know, I always
Speaker 1: say throw them the deep in the pool. He's one
Speaker 1: of those guys you can do that with, I think.
Speaker 1: And they run that drill where they run a slant
Speaker 1: against air. They catch the ball and they're supposed to
Speaker 1: turn up field, and then there's two guys there with
Speaker 1: the blocking pads and they're hitting them. You got to
Speaker 1: run through and you know, maybe he's you know, you
Speaker 1: start doing that and you're getting anxious to turn up
Speaker 1: and it's like the ball first you could see, you know,
Speaker 1: and not that I'm the wide receiver whisper, but you
Speaker 1: could tell when guys are are by the way their
Speaker 1: hands when it looks like say a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: you know, Alan Hurns makes some really natural looking plays
Speaker 1: in his hand and gallop is. We've seen him make plays.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he doesn't make plays, but when you're
Speaker 1: when you're lunging at the ball, when you're lunging at
Speaker 1: it that you know, I was like, oh man, he
Speaker 1: is fighting it bad right now. You know, he's fighting
Speaker 1: it because he wants to And then and it kind
Speaker 1: of double catch, the ball kind of bounces in his
Speaker 1: hands a little bit. You know, Nervousness is not part
Speaker 1: of the voca. I don't think. I don't think it's nervousness.
Speaker 1: I just think he had one of those days where
Speaker 1: you know, he shot sixty four the first day and
Speaker 1: then shot seventy eight the next days of confidence, maybe
Speaker 1: a little bit he had. He had such a good,
Speaker 1: comfortable practice, caught everything, you know, made you know, great
Speaker 1: routes inside. But I focus, you know, and those jobs
Speaker 1: to catch the football. But one of the hardest things
Speaker 1: to do for a young guy in this league is
Speaker 1: separate and he and that's one of the things he
Speaker 1: can do. And in that slant that he ran, I
Speaker 1: mean he spun that. Who he was on? Oh who
Speaker 1: is he running against? You tell about him? One on one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the one on one. Think it was a lumba. It
Speaker 1: might have been a lumba. It might have been Alma,
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, Well, what did you any tank you had? Well,
Speaker 1: what I was going to say, and I mentioned that
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup was accountable, okay from from the car wash
Speaker 1: last night, Jerry Jones. Uh, we were not able to
Speaker 1: ask any questions about the anthem, which I was perfectly
Speaker 1: good with because I didn't want to ask any someone
Speaker 1: down the dial wasn't perfectly okay with that, and uh,
Speaker 1: And apparently the NFL has said that they don't want
Speaker 1: any want any NFL personnel talking about it, and it
Speaker 1: is a you know, they had meetings on Friday, the
Speaker 1: owners and the players and so this is a very
Speaker 1: sensitive time as far as that goes. And so that's
Speaker 1: I think it's understandable myself. But I was able to
Speaker 1: ask Jerry about Dez Bryant and he's surprised that he
Speaker 1: hadn't hooked on with another team. But after and he
Speaker 1: brought it up himself after what happened on Friday on
Speaker 1: Twitter and so forth. I mentioned the word accountable here
Speaker 1: and I'm said to him that I just love the
Speaker 1: way Sean Lee handled that thing. And he agreed, and
Speaker 1: basically Jerry said, to wrap up his comments on Dez
Speaker 1: and talking about the whole thing, is it was time
Speaker 1: to move on. Yeah, basically, And you know what, I
Speaker 1: like what he said about Sean Lee. He said, well,
Speaker 1: that's the way he deals with the team head on.
Speaker 1: He doesn't pull any punches when he's dealing with the
Speaker 1: players in the locker room, when he's dealing with the coaches,
Speaker 1: he will speak his mind like that and he doesn't
Speaker 1: mince words. And you know what, good on him it was.
Speaker 1: But were you a little surprised that he was that
Speaker 1: blunt because because I don't think we've ever I've never
Speaker 1: heard him that, not that he missed his words publicly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think he's he's pretty pragmatic throughout his career.
Speaker 1: He was pragmatic on that too. He was he was
Speaker 1: po what was happening and absolutely was It's another yea.
Speaker 1: And I think he found out about it earlier. And
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't practicing right day, and he had
Speaker 1: he had left the practice field earlier with us helmet on,
Speaker 1: but he was he was obviously was not injured or anything.
Speaker 1: He left and came back trying to say it was prepared.
Speaker 1: I think maybe someone told him about it, because the
Speaker 1: whole thing happened while practice. Travis had no idea, right,
Speaker 1: but but the whole thing happened while practice was starting,
Speaker 1: and so there was no way that anyone And you know,
Speaker 1: Sean Lee's not a guy who's on Twitter all the time.
Speaker 1: He got it. He got a heads up from somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he taking that practice. So I think what happened was
Speaker 1: he went off the field check what was going on,
Speaker 1: and came back on the field. He and Steven Jones
Speaker 1: were talking towards the end of practice, uh, together and uh,
Speaker 1: I thought Steven handled it great too as far as
Speaker 1: what he said, and the whole thing should never have happened.
Speaker 1: It always because of an inaccurate quote trolling Dez on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It put doesn't a tough I mean, wouldn't have reacted
Speaker 1: that way if the full quote had come out. Dez
Speaker 1: needs to get into a camp. Yeah yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, for Jerry Jones's sake, for Sean
Speaker 1: Lee's sake, for Dez Bryant's sake, he needs to get
Speaker 1: into a camp and focus on being with a team
Speaker 1: and being the best he can at that with with
Speaker 1: that team because the more that he sits out, the more.
Speaker 1: I mean, Dez is one of those guys we all know,
Speaker 1: a very passionate guy. But you can draw Dez off sides,
Speaker 1: you know, and you're right, the the inaccuracy of a
Speaker 1: quote drew him off side, just like a good Dan
Speaker 1: Marino hard count. He got everybody to jump on a
Speaker 1: play and and you know, so you know Dez is,
Speaker 1: but he he does. He needs to get with a
Speaker 1: team right now. He needs to do it for our
Speaker 1: sake too. Yeah. Yeah, I mean NFL Network shows up
Speaker 1: here and they're doing live things and they're doing it
Speaker 1: about Dez, and it's like you got to come all
Speaker 1: the way because the longer he goes without an opportunity,
Speaker 1: the more speculation of why what went wrong here and then?
Speaker 1: And that's what leads to comments and that maybe taken
Speaker 1: out of context, and then he gets more upset. Well,
Speaker 1: they need to go ask somebody else why haven't they
Speaker 1: signed him? So, uh, what do you think that what
Speaker 1: he did on Friday? What on social media? What does
Speaker 1: did how? How does how do other day drew us
Speaker 1: off sides? We're now talking about it? Yeah, how do
Speaker 1: other NFL teams look at that. I don't think I
Speaker 1: reached out honestly to John Dorsey from the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: John and I have said this before. Speculation speculation, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and John, I don't think John's John's okay, John
Speaker 1: was John. John's trying to find players. That's his idea.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm just trying to find guys. John is
Speaker 1: a guy that's never been afraid to take a character risk.
Speaker 1: Not to say that as a characterist, but you have
Speaker 1: maybe a potential for some things in the locker room.
Speaker 1: And I don't think that affects him at all. I
Speaker 1: don't think it affects a guy like Sean Payton down
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, because he knows what kind of guy
Speaker 1: does Brian is. You know, he Sean follows the Cowboys's.
Speaker 1: He has a relationship with Jerry and Stephen Jones, and
Speaker 1: it might be a situation where they've had some conversations like,
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry, what about des Briant and you know.
Speaker 1: And then I think that the Saints are a team
Speaker 1: that are interested. I think there's teams out there they're interested.
Speaker 1: I just think teams are in this evaluation period. You
Speaker 1: just said it built We're in week one. Now get
Speaker 1: through week two, maybe a preseason game. Then you look
Speaker 1: at your team a different way and you say, we're
Speaker 1: not very good here, We're not very good here. And
Speaker 1: that's where you add an Eric Read or a Dez
Speaker 1: Bryant or somebody to your team that's a veteran player
Speaker 1: to try and help. You know, if Dez will listen
Speaker 1: to what Sean Lee said, Okay, take the emotion out
Speaker 1: of it, sure, and listen to what he said. He
Speaker 1: was said he needed to be more countable and in
Speaker 1: Daz's best interest going forward, and basically what he was
Speaker 1: saying and does best interest going forward, he needs to
Speaker 1: be more accountable and that means with whatever team he
Speaker 1: goes to, that's what he needs to see. This is
Speaker 1: you know what with him? Sorry, I think he needs
Speaker 1: to go someplace where he's not comfortable because I think
Speaker 1: he will mind himself. He won't feel like he has
Speaker 1: the cash aid to speak out. I think you'll see
Speaker 1: a quieter Dez, a more attentive about your business. If
Speaker 1: you think about when Terrell Owens came to the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know that first year not bad, right, second year okay,
Speaker 1: then he got his money and he got comfortable, and
Speaker 1: then he got mouthy, and then things went downhill. And
Speaker 1: I think Dez initially will not cause problems with another team.
Speaker 1: Can I have something real quick? Bill? Guys in comment
Speaker 1: if you want, you don't have to, but I'll ask
Speaker 1: the question, do you worry about after when Dez attacks,
Speaker 1: say a Scott Linahan about the offense and you know,
Speaker 1: calls it some things. Do you worry about somebody in
Speaker 1: the organization, off the record or whatever, telling one of
Speaker 1: these national media guys that Peter King, Pete Priscot, you know,
Speaker 1: Adam Schefter, one of those guys the real reason why
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant didn't line up at all these positions because
Speaker 1: of this, this, this, and this. Then it becomes more
Speaker 1: of a Then it looks bad, even looks worse for Dez.
Speaker 1: That okay, we wanted to play him at different positions,
Speaker 1: but we couldn't play him at different positions because he
Speaker 1: was incapable of learning. He didn't understand the playbook. You know,
Speaker 1: when you tried to move him around, it was a
Speaker 1: struggle for him. You had to you had to tailor
Speaker 1: the game plan for him. See that's where I worry about,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody, somebody kind of saddling up with one
Speaker 1: of these guys and saying, let me give you the
Speaker 1: real reason why Dez Bryant, we couldn't line him up
Speaker 1: in different spots. Well, that's what. I don't want that
Speaker 1: hard to come out because I think that could get
Speaker 1: nasty too. Here's the other thing that can happen on
Speaker 1: this team is if you get people defending one side
Speaker 1: and posed to the other, and you start putting a
Speaker 1: fraction on this fracture on this team, right that that's
Speaker 1: what Jason Garrett and this coaching staff has to guard
Speaker 1: against and be delirium. Yeah, and that's why, and that's
Speaker 1: why they've got a policy basically focusing on the task
Speaker 1: at hand and uh forgetting about this outside noise. I
Speaker 1: do think that is gonna end up with the team though,
Speaker 1: I really do, because because I hate to say, injuries
Speaker 1: are going to happen across the league, and yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you all. Yeah, And I just
Speaker 1: worry about I worry about the backlash of when Dez
Speaker 1: is so so violent with his with his words, and
Speaker 1: I worry worry about somebody saying someone takes the high
Speaker 1: road and on the to the media. But then underside
Speaker 1: of it is, hey, let me tell you what I
Speaker 1: really want to tell you here. That's what I worry
Speaker 1: about with that said, I don't want him to get
Speaker 1: drug through the mud, you know, for people saying, well,
Speaker 1: des can't learn, that's his biggest problem. He can't know that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I don't want that to be the
Speaker 1: one thing that you know that people say that's you know,
Speaker 1: could be the issue. All they need to do is
Speaker 1: sign them to a contract and put a clause we
Speaker 1: get your phone. Just take his phone away from him.
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't say those things out loud, he does
Speaker 1: it on Twitter that Jason Witten column, right, yes, right,
Speaker 1: take his phone? Is that same the same day that
Speaker 1: right Garrett Garrett stands up there and says, we have
Speaker 1: no social media policy. We like our guys been able
Speaker 1: to do what they want to do and then all
Speaker 1: that just take the phone away. What was the main
Speaker 1: story lining camp last year for the first week Lucky
Speaker 1: White hit right, you never know what you're gonna get it?
Speaker 1: Cowboys camp right miles away to get something? And what
Speaker 1: were we doing on local newscast in Dallas last year
Speaker 1: at this time, the lead story on the higher newscast
Speaker 1: with all that's going on with Trump in Washington and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Lucky Whitehead last year, the kidnapp dog
Speaker 1: that's right, it's so. And then the lead story on
Speaker 1: Friday every local station in Dallas was Dez Bryant's Twitter
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Speaker 1: first caller this fine Monday morning. Here, Chris, how you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say how you're doing? Hello, Chris? Yeah, Hello, Chris,
Speaker 1: got a got a question. You know, since we have
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin uh this year, Um, what's so different from
Speaker 1: having a guy like that as opposed to what we've
Speaker 1: had the last couple of years And it just didn't
Speaker 1: seem like our offense kind of blended those guys in.
Speaker 1: I'm throwing Lucky Whitehead and then um, the rookie we
Speaker 1: had last year. They just the office didn't seem to
Speaker 1: utilize those guys. So do you see Linahan utilizing Austin
Speaker 1: Moore in a different role this year or would this
Speaker 1: be another situation where we got a guy where we
Speaker 1: think we can help out that can help out, but
Speaker 1: it is just not going to be utilized the way
Speaker 1: he should be. Thank you, Chris, and uh and Tavan
Speaker 1: was not utilized with the Rams last year and he
Speaker 1: was fighting through an injury. Yeah, he was the thing
Speaker 1: I've noticed about him. He had fifty eight carries as
Speaker 1: as a running back basically right in LA and I've
Speaker 1: seen him basically only line up as a wide receiver
Speaker 1: here so far. Now that could change. But to Chris's question, Brian,
Speaker 1: you you've said it. The onus is on Scott Lindhan
Speaker 1: to the trade. When they made the trade, Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: basically looked at Scott Linehan says, Okay, now you go
Speaker 1: figure this out, and Scott Linehan said absolutely, I'll go
Speaker 1: figure this out. I'm with you though about the wrist
Speaker 1: injury was a problem for him. He'll even admit that,
Speaker 1: uh Sean McVay did use him as a running back.
Speaker 1: When I watched the tape of him, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of single back stuff, toss sweeps. They even gave him
Speaker 1: the ball off tackle a couple of times. But Rob's right,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him line up in the backfield yet.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's something they're saving for week one, Week two,
Speaker 1: Week three, that kind of a little wrinkle. They don't
Speaker 1: want to show, you know, the media what they got
Speaker 1: with him running the football back there. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: this is on Scotland a hand, and you know, and
Speaker 1: if they don't, if they don't figure out something, then
Speaker 1: the saying is if you if you don't feel if
Speaker 1: you're told to do something and you don't do it,
Speaker 1: they'll find somebody else will come in and can do it.
Speaker 1: So that's that's on a lot of folks to have
Speaker 1: to make that work. Verry sort of alluded to that
Speaker 1: in my interview with him last night. He said Cowboys
Speaker 1: coaches are on the hot seat, but they're always on
Speaker 1: the hot seat because yeah, and he went on to
Speaker 1: talk about creativity and the offers and so forth, and
Speaker 1: the things that have happened in the offseason, and I
Speaker 1: think he was talking about the addition of a Tavon
Speaker 1: Austin and how he's implemented as as things go along
Speaker 1: throughout this season. The other thing about Tavon Austin that's
Speaker 1: different than those other guys that Chris and Indiana is
Speaker 1: talking about. Tavon Austin was the eighth pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: he's got that kind of talent. Yeah, I mean they've
Speaker 1: got him all over the formation as a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: You see him moving around all over, kind of a
Speaker 1: vocal leader out there too. He's going well even like
Speaker 1: if you remember the play, and maybe I was just
Speaker 1: happening to be in the right place at the right time.
Speaker 1: The ball went to Thompson over the top. They didn't
Speaker 1: cover him. They didn't They didn't get a sink from
Speaker 1: the corner to that side. So Thompson catches a ball
Speaker 1: and then he gets hit by Huff and knocked down
Speaker 1: onto his shoulder, and you know, he's kind of gingerly
Speaker 1: getting up and Tavon Austin is halfway to him, like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, get up, get up, we need you
Speaker 1: get up, you know, and you know, Thompson gets up
Speaker 1: and he goes over and you know, gives him a pat.
Speaker 1: And who's the first one they catch a screen going
Speaker 1: out the gate. I mean, they said it up beautifully.
Speaker 1: They get they get Zeke on Zeke on the edge
Speaker 1: and Nixon there, You've got Frederick and Collins and all
Speaker 1: those guys out front. Well, who's the first guy down
Speaker 1: the field? Not even part of the play, running down
Speaker 1: there giving those linemen. I mean, he's hitting all the
Speaker 1: linemen more than he's hitting Zeke as far as good job, man,
Speaker 1: good job. What did he get out there? So he's
Speaker 1: kind of been a guy that Yeah, he said that
Speaker 1: in that wide receiver's room, that Tavon came in there,
Speaker 1: and and he's been a leader, veteran leader in that room, vocal.
Speaker 1: And where I was at first most impressed with it
Speaker 1: was within days after the trade, which happened on the
Speaker 1: third day of the trast he was already Briscoe yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, okay, so first here, First
Speaker 1: of all, he's a more polished receiver than Lucky Whitehead
Speaker 1: ever was gonna be. That's absolutely And and you know,
Speaker 1: Switzer was a rookie, uh, trying to find his way.
Speaker 1: He's faster than I don't know who was the last
Speaker 1: cowboy receiver who was that fast. Maybe Alexander I was
Speaker 1: talking to doctor Cooper about it. Maybe Joey Galloway. But
Speaker 1: it's different speed because his speed he plays sudden. It's
Speaker 1: almost like rocket Ishmael. Yeah, he can kiss the ball
Speaker 1: on the move and there's another gear and he's gotten
Speaker 1: running ability, right, I mean he's got ability of moving.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's done it all his life. They'll they'll
Speaker 1: use him, don't don't compare. And this whole thing about
Speaker 1: not being creative. They averaged twenty eight points a game
Speaker 1: when they went thirteen and three. How'd they do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: They averaged twenty eight points to first eight games last year.
Speaker 1: How'd they do that? Well? And the one thing last
Speaker 1: night Jerry was most adamant about is he believes this
Speaker 1: defense is going to be improved and that is going
Speaker 1: to enable the offense to be a ball control type offense,
Speaker 1: which it what it was two years ago when they
Speaker 1: went thirteen and three, and they're averaging twenty eight point
Speaker 1: it's a game. I guess we gotta wait for that
Speaker 1: improvement until shan Lee gets on the field. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: thing that I worry about is usually you're really good
Speaker 1: defensive teams are good up the middle, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if the two of the three spots they're necessarily
Speaker 1: good up the middle. Well that there's a question about
Speaker 1: the tackle depth right now? Yeah, you know, are the
Speaker 1: or are the starters? Yeah? Exactly, Well that too, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, the overall I think the
Speaker 1: overall position. Well, late Collins helps when he gets back, right.
Speaker 1: You know, we were kind of high on jod Ward
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen anything. Yeah, this is why they
Speaker 1: were interested in Terrell McClain coming back, and he wound
Speaker 1: up in Atlanta and then that they've moved on from
Speaker 1: that obviously, But but that's why they were looking at
Speaker 1: that because of the depth issue. That run defense was
Speaker 1: ranked what two years ago was it eighth? I believe
Speaker 1: it was first in the league? Was it first? What
Speaker 1: was it? What was it overall? What was it overall
Speaker 1: last year? Five? Five? Right, that's what it was. It
Speaker 1: was overall defense was overall against yards. The problem was, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're giving up too many points. Yeah, yeah, Ben a
Speaker 1: lot to feel well those total yards of a lot
Speaker 1: to do with. That Chargers game was god awful when
Speaker 1: you talk about defense, and now they had two really
Speaker 1: bad games big Place, just the Denver game and the
Speaker 1: Chargers game. I think what Jerry's counting on, maybe specifically,
Speaker 1: is the young secondary taking a step forward and Chris
Speaker 1: Richard having that type of impact back there. Maybe that
Speaker 1: can help the front seven. And then look, he's they've
Speaker 1: got some defensive ends who can rush right, and I
Speaker 1: think Tacos looked pretty good here by the way, in
Speaker 1: the first couple of days. Oh, it's good to our
Speaker 1: first Freakas of which, which, as long as he's not
Speaker 1: going up against was it Zach Martin, No, it was LEL.
Speaker 1: Collins yesterday dumped him. Yeah, you know, but you know what,
Speaker 1: he wanted a couple of reps to he's winning more.
Speaker 1: This campaign needs to stay on his feet. I think,
Speaker 1: I think stay on his feet. I think Charles Tappers
Speaker 1: also shown some Yes he has well and you know,
Speaker 1: and now and now it's it's it's it's it's always
Speaker 1: the you know, I always hate this. If you're team
Speaker 1: of hope, you got no hope, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you need guys that are going to go out there
Speaker 1: and and and perform. And I you know, I understand
Speaker 1: where both of you going. I thought it was kind
Speaker 1: of a fifty fifty battle with Collins and and and Taco.
Speaker 1: I just feel like that he's more competitive. Last year.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was as competitive late in the season.
Speaker 1: There were some competitive rushes. Early last season, there weren't
Speaker 1: competitive rushes. Now you're seeing a guy I'm impressed the
Speaker 1: fact that he wanted to take on Lyle Collins because
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to mess with Lyle Collins, you know.
Speaker 1: And and they got to go against each other in
Speaker 1: the the compete period, which is you know, right here
Speaker 1: there there, they're one on one, they're kind of going out.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, you're going, whoa, here we go.
Speaker 1: This all be interesting, So do Taco as long as
Speaker 1: he continues the battle, continues to try and prove his technique,
Speaker 1: and Mike Mickey says, stand your feet, he's got a chance.
Speaker 1: Rob Baronelli this morning I heard him on a radio
Speaker 1: show and he was believe he's on the ticket in Dallas,
Speaker 1: and he said that, Uh, the difference in Taco Charlton
Speaker 1: this year over last year. He's hardened his body. It's
Speaker 1: a year and he has a year in that NFL
Speaker 1: weight room conditioning program, and he's he's physically can do
Speaker 1: it better this year than what he was now. And
Speaker 1: once again, we have to remember playing defenses and all
Speaker 1: about rushing the quarterback. You got to play the run.
Speaker 1: And they leak some runs against Zeke both days. Uh.
Speaker 1: And but let's also remember when they go into team
Speaker 1: Sean Lee hadn't been in there, demark. They've been bubble
Speaker 1: rapping DeMarcus Lawrence also by the way, so set out yesterday,
Speaker 1: and Malak Collins is not there yet, and you know
Speaker 1: they just better get used to playing without David Irving.
Speaker 1: But Randy Gregory's on the way at some point. Sean
Speaker 1: in New York is on the way. He's next up
Speaker 1: here on Talking Cowboys. Hello Sean, that's how are you doing?
Speaker 1: How you doing good? Um? I just had a question
Speaker 1: or basically a comment like, I definitely agree with you
Speaker 1: guys and show him you got to take accountability for Daz,
Speaker 1: because that's is such a great player, and you know,
Speaker 1: if he would take accountability, he would prove that more
Speaker 1: than what he did. I think the same goals for
Speaker 1: I'm with um, I'm with one of you guys on
Speaker 1: the panel when it comes to Jason Gay as far,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett has a He's been a quarterback. He played
Speaker 1: with the championship team, he was the backup. He played,
Speaker 1: He won a Division A game for US. He wanted
Speaker 1: Super Bowl for US basically because he played a divisional game.
Speaker 1: His father's from Harvard, all he'd know his offense and
Speaker 1: what we've been saying throughout the years of this offense
Speaker 1: needs to change is doing the same thing, and then
Speaker 1: you know we were here and make it defend Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett and his antics. I feel they wasted Tony Romo's
Speaker 1: good years because those eight eight seasons was strictly all Romo.
Speaker 1: Because all I hear when Philip Rivers Drew Brees, the
Speaker 1: first thing they say when they have a bad season
Speaker 1: they have the offensive line, man the receivers. This is
Speaker 1: why they're struggling. But when it comes to Romo, he
Speaker 1: makes them paid at eight and the times that we
Speaker 1: could have won back to back games at Arizona back
Speaker 1: in the days Arizona and Baltimore back to back when
Speaker 1: we had nag Yes center. I remember all this because
Speaker 1: I love the Cowboys just like you. What I'm saying
Speaker 1: is Jason Janney to take accountability now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: what we'll be saying for years about the offense and
Speaker 1: play calling has to be true because now everything is now.
Speaker 1: You need true people jobs on the line. I just
Speaker 1: want to talk to that fact. And Desil Bryant got
Speaker 1: too accountability, which we all agree on, and he has ability.
Speaker 1: If you have took if you took accountability. He'd been
Speaker 1: the best test brand that we ever would have seen.
Speaker 1: So just apply the same thing with Jason Garrett from
Speaker 1: being on the boat with Bill Belichick and Jimmy Johnson
Speaker 1: taking in all that knowledge, been on the championship team
Speaker 1: went to Harvard has a great father. They rest in peace,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't created nothing. I think he wasted Romo's
Speaker 1: romoship been won the championship. I'm just a Romo fan.
Speaker 1: I'm a Cowboys fan first. I love what all you
Speaker 1: guys do. And Bran you speak the truth. I love
Speaker 1: you guys, and a Bill Naggie shout out there. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was part of the that was part of the issue.
Speaker 1: Back then, they were remaking that offensive line and transitioning
Speaker 1: from Gerard and Colombo, and they had a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys that weren't. They weren't what they have right now
Speaker 1: on the mean, the guy that was always in Romo's lap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy, yeah, I you know with the I think
Speaker 1: that you know to me, Garrett knows the situation. You know,
Speaker 1: he mentioned his father and all that. Garrett's ay, it's
Speaker 1: from a football Family's dad was a coach. This is
Speaker 1: a business. It's very very results is the key right now,
Speaker 1: and if you know, if the results aren't there, then
Speaker 1: they have to make a determination what they want to do.
Speaker 1: But I'm willing to say, let's see what happens this
Speaker 1: season because I I you know, Mickey and I butted
Speaker 1: heads about this before. I respect his opinion about what
Speaker 1: he's saying, and people out there, you know, everybody. But
Speaker 1: I've said this before every time I wanted to make
Speaker 1: a change, and she win to twelve games, wins thirteen games.
Speaker 1: So I'm willing to give him this season. And but
Speaker 1: if it doesn't, if it doesn't have the success, and
Speaker 1: it might very well not have the success. Difficult schedule,
Speaker 1: questions at certain positions, team young team, it might not
Speaker 1: have the success. But I think that I think the
Speaker 1: Jones family has been more than patient with Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: and I think he realizes that, and he needs to
Speaker 1: find a way to perform, uh, to to get this team,
Speaker 1: you know, to be the difference maker, to get him
Speaker 1: into the playoffs, to win some playoff games and ultimately
Speaker 1: get to where they need to be, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: And Jerry says he's got high expectations for this team
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, he sure does well. And as I
Speaker 1: spoke to this last week or earlier in the week,
Speaker 1: Jerry spoke a lot in the State of the Union
Speaker 1: press conference about how much he appreciates this coaching staff
Speaker 1: and believes it and believes that this staff will help
Speaker 1: this young, revamped group rise up right. And that's that's
Speaker 1: also a little bit of a of an expectation I
Speaker 1: think for the coaching staff too, that it's got to
Speaker 1: be on them. With as much change and turnover as
Speaker 1: they've had, and as with the youth that they have,
Speaker 1: you've got to coach these guys up well. Garrett always
Speaker 1: talks about continuing to grow as a coach, you know,
Speaker 1: and and I'm You're kind of like, okay, that's good.
Speaker 1: You know, it's you're trying. Everybody's trying to grow, trying
Speaker 1: to be better and all that. But there also comes about,
Speaker 1: you know, the results, you know, find a way to
Speaker 1: to be the difference maker if you're going to grow
Speaker 1: and learn. I again, I the Jones have been really
Speaker 1: patient with him. I think they have. They took a
Speaker 1: coach that didn't have head coaching experience, and they knew
Speaker 1: there were gonna be some growing pains there and That's
Speaker 1: probably why you had some of those eight and eight years,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it was unfortunate that Romo's years.
Speaker 1: I mean I felt kind of felt like Romo willed
Speaker 1: that team to be eight and eight, could have very
Speaker 1: well been a six and ten team if he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have played as well as he did. But you know,
Speaker 1: you get to a point in time where you say, Okay,
Speaker 1: now now think now we have to have results. We can't.
Speaker 1: We can't struggle through another a season or two where
Speaker 1: the you know, the the the the front office thinks
Speaker 1: the team is capable of winning and you don't win enough.
Speaker 1: That's that's where they're at. Okay, with all the changes
Speaker 1: in the coaching staff, what are your early impressions for
Speaker 1: each of you on on the coaching staff as as
Speaker 1: a whole. Well, you'll go ahead, and Mickey, I don't
Speaker 1: want to keep talking. I mean, I'm encouraged what I've
Speaker 1: seen from Chris Rochard, Um you know the other guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got a first time linebacker coach, you
Speaker 1: got a first time tight end coach. I like special
Speaker 1: teams coordinator, special teams coach, social teams. I mean, I
Speaker 1: I see what Richards adds to the team, and I
Speaker 1: think that's good. I see what san Jay Law adds
Speaker 1: the team. That's good. You got a first time quarterback coach.
Speaker 1: So how do I know how I'm excited about out
Speaker 1: this coaching staff. Well, I haven't seen him perform yet.
Speaker 1: Rams had a first time a head coach at who
Speaker 1: was hired at age thirty. Right, wow, See that's yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's there's some things that you know, you look
Speaker 1: around the league. I this is just me, but look
Speaker 1: at the Philadelphia Eagles. You know, Doug Peterson goes seven
Speaker 1: and nine his first season, and they turn around, they
Speaker 1: have some some injuries that could have once again made
Speaker 1: them a seven and ninet team. He didn't let it happen.
Speaker 1: Team gets on a nice run in the playoffs, they
Speaker 1: you know, they win the Super Bowl. I Mean, those
Speaker 1: are the kinds of things when you're looking around the
Speaker 1: league you're saying, Okay, well, how does how's the guy
Speaker 1: who hadn't been an NFL head coach have a have
Speaker 1: a rough first season, you know, and then with a
Speaker 1: rookie quarterback and then the very next year wins the division,
Speaker 1: wins the conference, and wins the Super Bowl. That if
Speaker 1: you're Jerry Jones a front office and all that. You're
Speaker 1: looking at that and saying, Okay, how how do we
Speaker 1: how do we do that? Where's where's our plan for that?
Speaker 1: You know? That's that's where it's rough on this staff.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll tell you a guy I've been
Speaker 1: impressed with, and it kind of an off the path
Speaker 1: guy was is Doug Nussmart with these tight ends Because
Speaker 1: I think the tight ends if you watch what we've
Speaker 1: seen so far from Blake Jarwin, in which you've seen
Speaker 1: a little bit from Jeff Blake Jarwin's open a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's natural ability, but somebody's coaching him
Speaker 1: on routes and techniques and stuff like that and developing
Speaker 1: him a little bit. So yeah, you know, and even
Speaker 1: Rico Gathers, I mean, I don't know if Rico Gathers
Speaker 1: will ever be the blocker that Brian brought us wants
Speaker 1: him to be, but he'll he'll make a play down
Speaker 1: the field. So obviously, these this tight end group is uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's no Jason Witten, but you do see
Speaker 1: some production during the practice from the guys they do have.
Speaker 1: But I do think that the the new makeup and
Speaker 1: the new personnel on this coaching staff is one of
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Speaker 1: continues now, as we just had a Mickey's minute in
Speaker 1: the break there that we probably need to take to
Speaker 1: the air. You want to tell your Harry Harry carry story,
Speaker 1: L I know what the punch light is on the
Speaker 1: George Jordan's story. George Jordas it's a second baseman for
Speaker 1: the Chicago This is the second straight day Mickey's a
Speaker 1: minute has been a baseball minute. And there's a high
Speaker 1: pop up in Harry player Harry Carrey's broadcast and he
Speaker 1: goes it's a high pop up, George orders underneath the
Speaker 1: can of card. Oh, he dropped it, and he's probably
Speaker 1: gonna say the sun win in his eyes and he's
Speaker 1: from Mexico. On the air, he says it that he's
Speaker 1: not from Mexico Republic. Yeah, well, Harry did was all
Speaker 1: the same to Harry. Harry said, how does I guy
Speaker 1: from Mexico drop lose a ball in the sun? So
Speaker 1: that was Mickey's a quarter minute right there, Mickey, to
Speaker 1: complete your Mickey's minute. How about an injury report from yesterday. Well,
Speaker 1: Chaz Green went in with the uh IV He's yeah,
Speaker 1: gatorade from the University of Florida, and that's where he went, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he went, yeah, that's where it was invented resolutely at
Speaker 1: the formula Mickey and the break he did a Harry there,
Speaker 1: how does the guy how does the guy for the
Speaker 1: University of Florida get dehydrated? They made they made gator
Speaker 1: The gator man Tacolt has a shoulder and two shoulders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well the ones not doing very well right now. So uh,
Speaker 1: at least he came after he heard it. He took
Speaker 1: a playoff when they were doing individual the pass rush drill,
Speaker 1: and then he came back and played. So good for him.
Speaker 1: But uh, they're they're going to keep an eye on that. Uh.
Speaker 1: Subrict Will suffered a sublexation of the shoulder, so it's
Speaker 1: like a separation that goes out but it comes back
Speaker 1: in on its own. Their concern is he had it
Speaker 1: last year in college. Now he played through it. Sometimes
Speaker 1: when those guys do that, and if it's if it
Speaker 1: if it just needs to be tightened down a little,
Speaker 1: they'll give him a brace to play through it and
Speaker 1: then do the surgery when the season's over. How does
Speaker 1: a wide receiver play with a brace on his shoulder?
Speaker 1: They it's done before Isaiah stand back, write him name
Speaker 1: from the past, did it for the Cowboys several years ago.
Speaker 1: And then Sean Lee has been getting how that turned out.
Speaker 1: He's not with us, he's a personal trainer right now. Worth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Shaan Lee. I think they're being very cautious
Speaker 1: with him. Um, he hasn't practiced the last couple of days. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I talked to Lee, you know, because I was we
Speaker 1: had some concerned about, you know, is there's something more
Speaker 1: with Sean Lee? And he was he was basically you
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, I just you know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get to the point where we start getting ready
Speaker 1: for these games. That's what I want to do. And
Speaker 1: he goes, I, you know, there's a lot going on
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks. But he goes, they're being
Speaker 1: cautious about it. I'm okay with that, you know. But
Speaker 1: once we start playing these preseason games and getting it
Speaker 1: becomes you know, game week time of a situation, and
Speaker 1: it gets into the Carolina week, he goes have a
Speaker 1: full go and all that. But there's nothing, nothing sneaky
Speaker 1: going on here. There's no hamstring tightness, there's no neck issue,
Speaker 1: there's no concussion issues. They're just being there like saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we're trying to manage him to get him to a
Speaker 1: certain point in the season. But we've also kind of
Speaker 1: seen this excuse me a little bit with we're starting
Speaker 1: to see a rotation at left tackle though a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, given Tyrn Smiths more breaks that he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to practice the whole practice that you do still
Speaker 1: early on, Yeah, you get Cam Fleming in there for
Speaker 1: Tyrn goes two plays, Cam Fleming goes a play, goes
Speaker 1: a play, you know, back and forth like that. So
Speaker 1: anything to do to kind of get these guys through practice,
Speaker 1: you know, healthwise, get him ready for Carolina and then
Speaker 1: take your chances. And they're keeping an eye on a
Speaker 1: Woozier's knee. He banged it the other day and team
Speaker 1: and was limping around, came off, and then he went
Speaker 1: back in and played. He was a punt return yes,
Speaker 1: so he was. He was. He was the guy the
Speaker 1: I think he was the gunner. He was either the
Speaker 1: gunner or the hold up guy. And he banged his
Speaker 1: knee twisted. Yeah. And by the way, Tavon Austin was
Speaker 1: fielding kickoffs yesterday, Yes he was. Yeh. Jason Garrett was
Speaker 1: coaching him on it too, showing him how to run
Speaker 1: into the ball on kickoffs. By the way, you talked
Speaker 1: about leadership with him, we haven't talked about him like
Speaker 1: you mentioned as maybe a leader for this team. I
Speaker 1: just did a quick count up. There's only eight guys
Speaker 1: on this roster have been in the league longer than
Speaker 1: he has, so I mean he's a he's a veteran
Speaker 1: guy who could add something to that room. Three of
Speaker 1: them are probably special teams guys. Huh yeah, five positions players,
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, if you want to count it that way,
Speaker 1: that man maybe it's even more enlightening there you go.
Speaker 1: Maybe with his career now too, it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a sense of urgency. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: the guy that was, you know that less Sneed made
Speaker 1: a would you say, sixth overall, eight overall. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: get a point in time in your career where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm on my second team, first round bust. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, Cony Eely a little bit of the same
Speaker 1: thing too. Coney Eally has been with several teams and
Speaker 1: you don't want to get that tag late in your
Speaker 1: career as a guy that all he does is bounce
Speaker 1: around from team to team to team. He you know,
Speaker 1: he was a bust. Like you said, I think I
Speaker 1: think I think Tavon Austin feels healthy. I think he
Speaker 1: feels grateful for the opportunity and he's hopeful that that
Speaker 1: they use uh, that Scott Lenahan and those guys use
Speaker 1: him in a way that they can. Like Bill says
Speaker 1: that you hand him the football, you throw him the football,
Speaker 1: you get those explosive electric place. We spoke to him
Speaker 1: around the draft, right after the trade went down, and
Speaker 1: I to your point, I think he he came off
Speaker 1: like he felt he like he got a bad rap
Speaker 1: in LA with the injuries and bad coach through the
Speaker 1: no no, no, no no. He got drafted by the
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher. Oh yeah, okay. You know they went through
Speaker 1: all those offensive coordinators. They went with a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't have a quarterback. They went to
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback that was not very good his first year.
Speaker 1: So some of his probably good years, he felt like
Speaker 1: we're wasted on a seventy nine coach and in quarterback
Speaker 1: carousel there, and then he probably felt like he was
Speaker 1: going to get a breath of fresh air with McVeigh
Speaker 1: coming in, and he gets to hurt wrist and having
Speaker 1: to play through that. So it hasn't been probably the
Speaker 1: best career, and maybe he sees this as o case,
Speaker 1: my one time, I gotta get going and make something
Speaker 1: out of it. Got a couple other guys. I think
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams ready to go. Look more full yesterday he was,
Speaker 1: he was running hard, Yeah, he was, So he's about ready. MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins is probably a couple weeks away. Still, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be careful when they need him with that one. And
Speaker 1: I would imagine Cavan Austin's results. Cavon Frasier, Sorry, his
Speaker 1: test on the blood disorder probably comes back today. You know,
Speaker 1: who's ever judging the test probably had the weekend off,
Speaker 1: you know, storrying about football. So and I think the
Speaker 1: the medical staff thinks, I mean, he'll get the okay,
Speaker 1: they'll be able to deal with it. So I think
Speaker 1: he's ready to go. And then I'll be interested to
Speaker 1: see if Randy Gregory doesn't jump back maybe after the
Speaker 1: next day off, give him this week to keep auditioning
Speaker 1: and then get him back on the field on Saturday
Speaker 1: and start doing a little bit more with pads on
Speaker 1: because he seems to be running pretty well over there,
Speaker 1: but they just don't want to overdo it. All right,
Speaker 1: Ruben and Arlington, you're next up here on Talking Cowboys. Ruben, Ruben,
Speaker 1: are you there? Got tired of listening to you? Made
Speaker 1: it through Mickey's minute and injury report? Congratulations Reuben. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask a question. I wanted to know,
Speaker 1: what are the expectations of the wide receiving Cortinet? Why?
Speaker 1: Why are you guys so awful? Excuse me? Awesome? Are awful? Awesome?
Speaker 1: Oh every day? Oh thank you, We're just awesome. I
Speaker 1: guess it came out as awful kind of. I was like,
Speaker 1: he could go either way. I admit I have bad day.
Speaker 1: It is I admit I have some bad days. I have.
Speaker 1: It was that cell phone in the in the seller
Speaker 1: that he was using, uh so wide receiver corps. You know, expectations,
Speaker 1: you talk about first week expectation. We've kind of given
Speaker 1: a little bit praise to san Jay Lyle for working
Speaker 1: without the football yesterday. Uh. You know, guys looked like
Speaker 1: the routes are a little bit better. They're making some plays,
Speaker 1: even the rookie kids. You know, he started off well,
Speaker 1: had a bad damn sure he'll bounce back tomorrow with
Speaker 1: a better day. Um. I think if you if you
Speaker 1: said overall great for the group, I think it's been
Speaker 1: the group's been an a I really do. And and
Speaker 1: maybe maybe they're gonna prove me wrong at least through
Speaker 1: one week. Uh do they need that a number one
Speaker 1: wide receiver? Do they need Do they need that? Or
Speaker 1: can they can they use uh Hearns and Beasley and Thompson,
Speaker 1: you know, can they use and Gallop? Can they use
Speaker 1: those guys in a way that that that makes up
Speaker 1: for the lack of having at bell cow bell cow
Speaker 1: wide receiver that a lot of teams do have, you know,
Speaker 1: a hamstring. Yeah, they're down two guys left him off
Speaker 1: of that. Also, yeah, they're down to ten wide receivers now,
Speaker 1: so you gotta start being careful on numbers. Uh. I
Speaker 1: think with the wide receivers, and it's like the fear
Speaker 1: of the unknown because we don't know. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they're bad. You know, Brian always talks about, Uh,
Speaker 1: did Mike just go? I think I can hear you
Speaker 1: a little bit. Okay, Well I hear because you're sitting
Speaker 1: next to him. Okay, we might have an issue with
Speaker 1: with Mickey's head step. You hear me there. Um. Brian
Speaker 1: always was like, Okay, throw guys in, Nate Newton, throw
Speaker 1: guys in, And I'm like, well, I want to see
Speaker 1: some proof. Well they're throwing these guys in, and you know,
Speaker 1: so far, so good, so we'll see. But the wide
Speaker 1: receiver corps, if you just watch him, it's very versatile.
Speaker 1: And you know, even some of these young guys. You know,
Speaker 1: we don't talk about Lance lenore day yesterday, the other guy?
Speaker 1: Uh is it McHale? Okay, we have a funny picture
Speaker 1: and I'll post it. He went up in front of
Speaker 1: me and way high to make a catch and I'm
Speaker 1: standing there and I swear to God his knees when
Speaker 1: he was up in the air or even with my head.
Speaker 1: It's like him, I really am short. Uh Marchie Murdock
Speaker 1: a little bit. I've seen some stuff from him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Katie Cannon hasn't been awful. Yeah, I think with it's
Speaker 1: always gonna be with Katie Cannon is running to the
Speaker 1: right route. Well, I understand, no, no, And I wasn't
Speaker 1: doing that as like as a slam towards you. I
Speaker 1: was just saying that if you ask people who know
Speaker 1: this business, they'll say, Katie Cannon has tremendous talent, but
Speaker 1: Katie Cannon doesn't always know the direction he's going and so,
Speaker 1: and he even admitted it. I think Katie Cannon came
Speaker 1: out one time and say yeah, he said yeah, he
Speaker 1: said he oh, he came out and said one time
Speaker 1: he goes, you know, I need to get my head
Speaker 1: in the playbook a little bit better. And he admitted it. Well.
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that about Baylor is because
Speaker 1: of their offense, not because oh yeah, yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: that's what. But I expectations for week one. I'm hey, you,
Speaker 1: I think it's trending. If it's a stock, I think
Speaker 1: it's trending the right direction. I don't think it's now.
Speaker 1: There's other positions that I'll say this though, if you
Speaker 1: want to look at another position, it might be trending
Speaker 1: down a little bit. I haven't seen it from the
Speaker 1: backup quarterbacks yet. Yeah, I haven't seen it. You know.
Speaker 1: Mike White has been was my golden boy, you know,
Speaker 1: and through week one, I was expecting a lot more
Speaker 1: from Mike White. I was expecting more from Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen some I've seen some throws that
Speaker 1: Mike White's made that It's got me a little bit
Speaker 1: concerned about could it be jitters, could it be too much,
Speaker 1: could be trying to learn? And you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: evaluating day to day, week to week. You know. He
Speaker 1: and when we went to get the game and he
Speaker 1: becomes that gamer and he wasn't at Western Kentucky. But
Speaker 1: I didn't expect to see some of the inaccuracies on
Speaker 1: some of the throws. You know, he threw some balls
Speaker 1: against air where Garrett was basically going get the ball up,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, his next throw looked
Speaker 1: like he was the iron Giant pitching machine. You know,
Speaker 1: back in the day where you know it come over
Speaker 1: the top, you know that, you know the arm swings,
Speaker 1: you know, like that, and and I'm like, well, and
Speaker 1: then and then it went real high. And so now
Speaker 1: he's trying to compensate. Garrett saying, get the ball up.
Speaker 1: And now he's trying to go a little higher in
Speaker 1: his throwing motion to get the ball to come up.
Speaker 1: And I just I hope they have a crown on
Speaker 1: the field at Western wo No. He had in team.
Speaker 1: He had a slant route and a guy was wide open.
Speaker 1: He threw it five yards behind him. Well, but I
Speaker 1: will say this though, he and I wrote about this
Speaker 1: for dallascotways dot com and I'm sure it's up on
Speaker 1: the site. My scouts notes he threw a ball in
Speaker 1: one on one to Jeff Swain with a linebacker, which
Speaker 1: actually was the same It was robertson the safety. If
Speaker 1: the ball was a footmore inside, it's getting knocked down.
Speaker 1: It was, but it was perfect. So you know, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying one good throw, but five bad throws. Yeah,
Speaker 1: five bad throws. You can't. You can't be that. I
Speaker 1: watch out for Dalton Sturm. I will say this. I
Speaker 1: thought Cooper Rush made a couple of nice throws. Yesterday
Speaker 1: he delivered a strike to Terrence Williams with pressure right
Speaker 1: in his face. I thought he was a little better yesterday. Uh.
Speaker 1: And quickly on the receivers at Dak said something again
Speaker 1: about that number one receiver thing. He thinks game to game,
Speaker 1: depending on situations, there could be a different guy emerge
Speaker 1: and and because different. If you look down the list,
Speaker 1: all these guys kind of do something, bring something different
Speaker 1: to the table. I think that's kind of what they're
Speaker 1: banking on. But I still think somebody's got to emerge
Speaker 1: and be a quote unquote kind of go to guy
Speaker 1: and maybe it turns. Let's get to Andrew in England
Speaker 1: next up here on Talking Cowboys. Just a few minutes
Speaker 1: left on the show. Andrew, you doing your great good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good to be on the show. Was long time listeners,
Speaker 1: A mystery guys on my podcast every day, So thank you. Um,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to you've touched on it briefly to
Speaker 1: be fair going into it, who is looking at taking
Speaker 1: the backup spot for the four quarterbacks? Obviously if we
Speaker 1: want back for as long as possible, but if the
Speaker 1: worst was to happen he went down. Who who we're
Speaker 1: looking at ready to step up forward? Is that an
Speaker 1: area of concern where we potentially could need some help? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think ahead, Mickey, if you got a thought on that.
Speaker 1: If that's yeah, right now, it's Cooper Rush. It's Cooper
Speaker 1: right right now. It is. And if we remember back
Speaker 1: to last year, Cooper Rush played well in the preseason
Speaker 1: in the games. Yeah, you know out here, he didn't
Speaker 1: oppress us, and then he got out there, and that's hopeful.
Speaker 1: That's I'm hopeful, Mike White. That's really what I'm hoping from, Mike.
Speaker 1: I was, I was kind of thinking, again, we got
Speaker 1: San Francisco, what next Thursday? Week from Thursday. I think
Speaker 1: that that's where this is going to separate. Who the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback is going to be. I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: look at the practices. Both guys have had moments where
Speaker 1: they've been good. But who is able to move the
Speaker 1: team against San Francisco. Who's gonna move it against Arizona, Cincinnati, Houston.
Speaker 1: Who is the guy that you know when you play them,
Speaker 1: you do see you don't get three and outs and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So it'll come down to these preseason games,
Speaker 1: and for what we've seen with Cooper Rush, he's been
Speaker 1: the best of that when he had that opportunity last year.
Speaker 1: And this may go into the season because I don't
Speaker 1: think Rush got the job from Kellen Moore until a
Speaker 1: few weeks into the regular season. But you talked about
Speaker 1: maybe getting going getting veteran help. I think they're past
Speaker 1: that philosophy. I mean, these guys have to show something,
Speaker 1: they have to have to prove it. But they've tried
Speaker 1: Matt Castle, Mark Sanchez, and when those guys had to play,
Speaker 1: they didn't play well. I think they'd rather go the
Speaker 1: young route and try to develop a guy behind deck
Speaker 1: backup running back Rod Smith. Is that his job to do? What? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think it's his job. Yeah. Scarborough had a nice
Speaker 1: run yesterday. I'll tell you what. Scarborough showed some nifty
Speaker 1: feet in these drills. Like Gary Brown does a great job.
Speaker 1: If you're scouting, you want to evaluate vision, feet, balance.
Speaker 1: Gary Brown is like the king of running drills that
Speaker 1: you can go okay eight balance four vision. I'm just
Speaker 1: giving numerical grades too, but he could. You could get
Speaker 1: a lot watching his drills about seeing where or watching backs.
Speaker 1: You can see why they were high on keeping him around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was Scarborough. And I need to ask this
Speaker 1: question to Jason Garrett and hopefully i'll get to it tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Is the third running back? It used to be the
Speaker 1: third running back had to play special teams? Have we
Speaker 1: got past the point where the third running back doesn't
Speaker 1: play second run pay special teams? Yeah? Yeah, rod Smith,
Speaker 1: My point is, yeah, since he can play special teams
Speaker 1: as a third running back. See that's what I think
Speaker 1: happened last year. I mean, I don't think there's the
Speaker 1: situation that you got in for Morris. Yeah, al for Morris,
Speaker 1: w wasn't playing special teams and so they kind of switched. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: the second time it used to be, I remember Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones philosophy was this, the third back has to be
Speaker 1: able to play special teams. The Philip Tanners of the
Speaker 1: world ard choice. If you were a third back, you
Speaker 1: had to play special teams. And I wonder now if
Speaker 1: they have a change in philosophy that because you know what,
Speaker 1: both Scarborough could dress as one of the forty six
Speaker 1: and maybe not even play, you know, maybe not even
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to play. So you know, we'll keep
Speaker 1: it this coming week to keep an eye on Blake Jarwin,
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