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Speaker 1: dot Com. Welcome to the Seahawks Insider podcast ahead of

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks game on Thursday night against the Los Angeles Rams.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jen Mueller, Seahawks sideline reporter, joined by John Boyle

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Speaker 1: from Seahawks dot Com, who's already got some rave green

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Speaker 1: action green excuse me action green on for Thursday's game. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know when when in Rome, is that the expression

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Speaker 1: of the uh yeah, just getting excited for the game

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Speaker 1: and or it was clean. I was gonna say, you

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Speaker 1: than the players who seemed to be genuinely stoked. I

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Speaker 1: pick it all look better on them than me. Let's

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Speaker 1: combos in there. Don't sell yourself short, John, That's exactly

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Speaker 1: what I would tell you right now. Thanks. Here's the

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Speaker 1: other thing I would say, don't sell the Seahawks team short,

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Speaker 1: and don't look at that game in Green Bay as

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Speaker 1: anything more than just a gating At least that's my

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Speaker 1: take and John, you and I were both there. It

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Speaker 1: was a quiet flight home, and we haven't had as

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Speaker 1: what are your big takeaways from that one? I mean,

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Speaker 1: the first thing was just how strange it was as

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Speaker 1: got to be you know, twenty one three, you're just

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Speaker 1: so used to this team just jumping back in games

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Speaker 1: sudden it's close. Even if they don't pull out the win,

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Speaker 1: they make a game out of it, as the first

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Speaker 1: So that was kind of the first thing that jumped

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Speaker 1: a couple of those interceptions hit guys on the hands,

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Speaker 1: and every bad throw that you know, bounced off a

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Speaker 1: to me, that would be more concerning this time of

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