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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 2: This this morning combat. You know. Unlike Flyleaf, who sang

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Speaker 2: the song fully Alive, this is MK where we sing

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Speaker 2: the song barely alive. Hi. Everyone, We're old and Washington pathetic,

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Speaker 2: But boy do we do. We have a show for

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Speaker 2: you today, ladies and gentlemen. We are coming off one

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Speaker 2: of the greatest weekends in combat sports history in a long,

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Speaker 2: long time, and so we have a lot to get to.

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Speaker 2: I'm the man who is in desperate need of a haircut.

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Speaker 2: My hair looks like a Henry Sohudo helmet at this point,

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Speaker 2: only gray. My name is Luke Thomas. I joined you

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Speaker 2: from the capital of the status anitos right here in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 2: joined by my friend and compatriot, the man mouth breathing

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Speaker 2: and leaning. It's BC Hi, BC ah.

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Speaker 1: Look this one love. Bob Marley had today, not necessarily

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Speaker 1: biggest event nearly a decade, but the two leading mixed

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Speaker 1: And Luke, I think you'd agree, being their first hand

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Speaker 1: There ain't nothing else like it in the world. Okay,

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Speaker 1: The speak of the profession. It's inspirational, it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: So here's the deal. One thing we did say that

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Speaker 1: arguably the best performance. But you're right, Luke, when he

430
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Speaker 1: was finally able to show it against somebody you know,

431
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 1: at his equal, we ended up finding out they weren't equals.

432
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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, let me pick.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's the most remarkable thing. That's literally the

434
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Speaker 1: most remarkable thing that even if the way cut affected Spence,

435
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,199
Speaker 1: and I do think it did. To be fair, he

436
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 1: wasn't leaning on it, but I do think it did.

437
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: He made Spence look average. The last time I said

438
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 1: that about somebody in a huge fight was Floyd against Canelo,

439
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,159
Speaker 1: Floyd against Marcus, maybe even Floyd against Manny. To some

440
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 1: smaller degree, he made them look as Ridge damn, Luke

441
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: Thomas damn.

442
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: All Right, so let me ask you. I appreciate you

443
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 2: watching watching the dissected. Let me tell you what stood

444
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 2: out to me as like from like when we think

445
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: about the game plan, we think about what they executed.

446
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 2: You know, listen, We'll be honest, dude, Bomack was taking

447
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 2: a beaten all week. Bowmack is the trainer Brian McIntyre

448
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: of Bud, and you know how Bud looks all ripped

449
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: and he's got like abs. Bomack is the opposite. In fact,

450
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 2: Derek James, the trainer of Aerol Spence, was like fat

451
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 2: shaming him and literally at the press conference continuously, and

452
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, this is this is you know,

453
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,400
Speaker 2: this is a terrible look for him. But in the end, dude,

454
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 2: they had a fantastic game plan. But this is what

455
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Speaker 2: I always try to explain to people. BC. This is

456
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Speaker 2: not me saying if you like MMA, you have to

457
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 2: watch boxing. That's not what I'm saying. But what I

458
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: am saying is you don't have to choose. Now, of course,

459
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: if throw at the same time, you do. But I

460
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 2: mean as a fan, you don't have to choose, and

461
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 2: you can like them for different things. I love the

462
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Speaker 2: variety of mma. I love the all the different permutations

463
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: and combinations and how unpredictable can be. But what I

464
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 2: love about boxing and Bud Crawford is the highest exemplar

465
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Speaker 2: of this I've I've ever seen, is how precise the

466
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: details are. It is a quarterback throwing a pass and

467
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: getting it through the narrowest of windows. It is a

468
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 2: It is the archer in the Olympics shooting an arrow

469
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 2: through another arrow already buried in the target. It was

470
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 2: his ability to find shots, punch efficiently, land cleanly, all

471
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Speaker 2: based off what they knew they needed to do, and

472
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: then his capacity to exact it in real time. Of

473
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Speaker 2: all the things that I thought were just so amazing,

474
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Speaker 2: aside from he was a physical match for him. How

475
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: about how about this, God, I mean, there's so many

476
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Speaker 2: things BC. How about this. When Crawford landed on Spence,

477
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Speaker 2: Spence noticed it. When Spence landed on Crawford, it didn't

478
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: do shit. And that was the smaller guy. That was

479
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: the smaller guy BC. How can that even be possible?

480
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Speaker 2: My mind is blown by this. I know I went

481
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 2: in a million directions, but I'd be curious to know

482
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Speaker 2: what really stood out to you in terms of what

483
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: In terms of what Bud.

484
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Speaker 1: Did first and foremost, the handspeed difference was masterful. He

485
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 1: took away spend. The best thing Spence does is that job.

486
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: That job sets up everything because like triple G like

487
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 1: like really not enough all League fighters. Spence uses the

488
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: job as a weapon first and foremost a setup placement

489
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: shot secondary right, So Crawford complete Crawford minds you. One

490
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: thing we said about him was you can't give away rounds.

491
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Speaker 1: You don't have the luxury this time to take that snapshot,

492
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Speaker 1: like you said. He only really did that for one round.

493
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Speaker 1: But the difference is he didn't even mess with the

494
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Speaker 1: orthodox stance we had established from crushing Bud tape leading

495
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: up to this fight, that he's not only more dynamic

496
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: at South Paul, he's more dangerous, he's more everything. He

497
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: went to South Paul right off the start, which was key,

498
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: only needed one round to adjust, then completely took away

499
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Speaker 1: Spence's jab that I think really caused Spence and coach

500
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: Derek James, and by the way, you could not have

501
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: had a better, you know, defending trainer of the year

502
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: coming in a you know, a very smart man like

503
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Speaker 1: Derek James. They had legitimate troubles adjusting off of that

504
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: that Crawford was not circling away. He wasn't pot shotting

505
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: and getting out of trouble. He wasn't doing some of

506
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: the stuff that Floyd had to do against bigger guys.

507
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: Remember Floyd, the Weltsway version, you know, always had hand

508
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: truck problems. Wasn't really allowed to be a big time

509
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: power puncher, not just because he was rising up and

510
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: wait up to forty seven and fifty four, but because

511
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: the hand problems meant he had to be more of

512
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Speaker 1: a pot shotter. Crawford wasn't even doing that. He was

513
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: standing in front of Spence at mid distance, but he

514
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: was countering every job with quicker counter shots. You saw

515
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Speaker 1: that second round knockdown in which he landed a left

516
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: hand but came right back with that counter right job

517
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: to knock Spence down when he was off balance. So

518
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: you have Spence basically everything Spence was about to step into.

519
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,719
Speaker 1: That's comfortable. You have a faster and more accurate and

520
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: the key also powerful counterpuncher in front of you. And

521
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: we said a key to victory on Crawford was you

522
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: have to gain Spence his respect and try to discipline

523
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: him so he can't just walk right up your front

524
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: porch and start getting inside on you. And Crawford's ability

525
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: to do that. I mentioned that third round earlier. Spence

526
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: got knocked down in the second round and that was

527
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Speaker 1: the first eye opening, like, oh crap, maybe Crawford is

528
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: too much for him. But Spence bit down to start

529
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: round three. He really pushed Crawford to the ropes. He

530
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: started flurrying to see how Crawford calmly dealt with that

531
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: and then was able to get out of trouble and

532
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: land something big and continue to make Spence trade. I mean,

533
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 1: it was everything. It was literally everything that made this

534
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: a such an impactful, one sided performance.

535
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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, tell me if I'm lying,

536
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: tell me if I'm lying to the audience, I'm so

537
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: glad you brought up round three. So he gets knocked

538
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: down and a round two. Round three, he gets up

539
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 2: off his feet and he goes and says to your point, like,

540
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 2: I mean, listen the Arrol Spence method is. You know,

541
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: guys have landed on him before and hurt him before.

542
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 2: BC's right, bites down on the mouthpiece and continues to

543
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: apply and it works. What I want to say was

544
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 2: BC when he does that rebiding down and he gets

545
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: pumping behind the jab and he's pushing you around and

546
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Sometimes he'll eat shots eight punches to

547
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 2: just get inside and then he starts to work and

548
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: it begins to have an effect. Like kel Brooke was

549
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 2: landing over the top of Spence's jab and given him fits,

550
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: but Spence bit down, broke through, and then eventually broke

551
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: the face of Kelbrook. What I wanted to say was

552
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: that thing that Spence was doing in round three. Every

553
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 2: other time he's done that against the World champions, it

554
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 2: has worked. It has worked. Every time he gets through,

555
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: he begins to get in rhythm, he begins to pile

556
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: on shots and they begin to crumble. It just never

557
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: got out of first gear with Bud. It Nudd did

558
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: something no one else even got close to doing.

559
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: But you know how he got there. Though, you know

560
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: how Bud got there. He also ate some big shots

561
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: for as much as Spence in the first three rounds

562
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: was getting lit up, particularly rounds two and three. There

563
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: was parts where Spence was like, Okay, deep breath, I'm

564
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: gonna come back and do what I do, and he mixed.

565
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: There was a little bit of variety. He was leading

566
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: with looping left hands at times, but Luke, these punches

567
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: were not remotely moving or bothering Spence. Here's the key

568
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: question I want to ask you, Luke. Although we did

569
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: see them face off multiple times before this fight, sometimes

570
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: you actually need to see them fully rehydrated in the

571
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 1: ring against each other to see what their size really is.

572
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: We talked about the idea heading in that Spence's you know,

573
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: Chris al Jerry told me Spence's like the biggest welterway

574
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: he's seen sin Thomas hearns. I did not expect Crawford

575
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: to look as big as him in there. So Crawford

576
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: showed an insane chin because there was never a time

577
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: where Spence landed a big shot and Crawford showed you

578
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: a look okay that he didn't like that, and Spence

579
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: got confidence. There was none of that. But Luke, how

580
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: about the size difference. I don't know about you, but

581
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm literally coming out of this fight going. I think Spence,

582
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Crawford could could really, you know,

583
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: contend for the underspeeded championship at fifty four. And I

584
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: don't even think it's out of line. With that long

585
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: body and the ability to add bulk to his to

586
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: his shoulders and back and frame that he could he

587
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: could fight his high sixty even. I mean, he showed

588
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: us that he's way bigger than I you know, expected

589
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: him to look against Spence, and that size was ultimately

590
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: a factor. Spence was unable to lean into and man

591
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: handle him, even beyond the fact that Crawford's speed and

592
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: accuracy of his counter shots just snuffed out what Spence did.

593
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: Anytime Spence was thinking wrestle, anytime he was thinking anything,

594
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: Crawford was there. And the size, the power, it was

595
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: too much.

596
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the size is shoeing for me was

597
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: very surprising. Again, I thought if the fights on the outside,

598
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: for sure, Crawford was gonna win, and you saw that

599
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: like that was clearly true. But I thought, okay, well

600
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: Spence gets inside though, it's gonna be his game, and

601
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: he just couldn't get anything going. In terms of the size.

602
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: I noticed that the weigh ends. I was. I was

603
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: amazed at how much bigger he looked, and then on

604
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: fight night he looked even bigger. You know, it's funny.

605
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, oh, the fight should have been made sooner.

606
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: I don't know about that anymore. BC. Yes, it would

607
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: have been nicer if there hadn't been the frustrating delays.

608
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: But BC, at thirty five, Crawford will be thirty six soon.

609
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: He didn't look to me at all to be slipping

610
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: or anywhere near the end of his prime. He looked

611
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: to me to be absolutely fully in prime. And more

612
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: to that point, here's my view. Maybe it took waiting

613
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: a little while for him to get into this size,

614
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: for him to naturally grow into it, one camp of

615
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: strength and conditioning is not going to get you here.

616
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: It takes years and years of slow, steady building for

617
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: your body to get used to it, for you to

618
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: get used to it, to really accumulate it, not you know,

619
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: have the right body composition between muscle and fat, all

620
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: that stuff. I actually think the waiting benefited Crawford when

621
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be the opposite, because

622
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, he's thirty five now, you know, he

623
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: really uses his reflexes and speed and it's going to diminish. No, No,

624
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: the opposite happened in every way. That's where am I

625
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: reading on this. Now you say one sixty, I will

626
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: get in a second. Let me say something to the

627
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: boys in the back. I emailed you a tweet for

628
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 2: Luke Long Island, Luke and anyone else in this to

629
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: do their gaff as well. I want you to tell

630
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 2: me when it's ready. It's a clip of something that

631
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: Bud Crawford did. Well, we'll have the conversation here in

632
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: a minut when they tell me it's ready. So b C,

633
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 2: I do want to have one conversation if I can,

634
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: before we transition to what's next for Bud. I want

635
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: to talk about Eryl Spence on this one. My question

636
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: to you is as follows. I told you that my

637
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: respect for him did not diminish, and I want to

638
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: be very genuine about that. I don't think it diminished.

639
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: It didn't undo what we saw him do to those

640
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: other very quality opponents. And again, no one had ever

641
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: put him on his ass before Bud did it three times,

642
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: like we would just brand new territory here. But what

643
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: I did want to ask was did you learn anything

644
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: new about him?

645
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I like the humility afterwards. I don't.

646
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: I think it would be disingenuous if we acted like

647
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: the weight cut didn't affect him. That's why he wants

648
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: a rematch up one fifty four, And even Bud was like, yeah,

649
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm not looking to you know, necessarily cut down to

650
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: one forty seven again either. It's just not easy. But

651
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: I think most importantly, Luke, what I learned about him

652
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: was that there's levels to greatness, and Bud was higher levels.

653
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is how do you

654
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: win these these ultra elite super fights when they finally

655
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: come around. It's typically not what your plan A is.

656
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: It's typically what your plans BCD and f R and

657
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: the adjustments you make. Spence was unable really to make

658
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: any form of adjustments outside of little slight ones in

659
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: the feeling out processes to change the tide in the momentum.

660
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: And some of that is also because once Bud Opper

661
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: set up shop so close in front of him and

662
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: was able to be so elusive and constantly sting him,

663
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: particularly with the jab. All we talked about coming in

664
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: was Spence's jab. Yet Crawford used his jab like a

665
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: perfect weapon, like a battering ram at times. It's just

666
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: that he was a significantly better fighter in the moment.

667
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: And you know, Nigel Collins tweeted about this last night,

668
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: and who's a Hall of Fame writer and one of

669
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: my I have a chance to be as editor at ESPN.

670
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: One of the most respected relationships I have with somebody

671
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: who was that level of a historian that I respect.

672
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: And the thing that stood out to him the most

673
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: talking about Crawford that Spence did not show in this

674
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: fight was that calmness in chaos in that moment. The

675
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: best illustration of that for Bud was what we talked about,

676
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: and people can watch that on your dissected clip in

677
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: round seven when Bud was backed up against the ropes

678
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: and Spence was coming on hard and he landed that

679
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: perfect right upper cut and you could see the focus.

680
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: But how about that calmness when things got a little

681
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: bit crazy for Spence, I'll give him credit for biting

682
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: down on the mouth guard and never wavering through three knockdowns.

683
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: He kept coming up, kept trying to bring the fight

684
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: even when it was stopped. And I do agree with

685
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: Harvey Duck's stoppage at that moment, he was getting lit

686
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: up and beat up badly with clean shots. He was

687
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: still protesting it and wanting to fight. So I have

688
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: nothing but respect for Spence, But Luke, there was a

689
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: Mayweather level of calm and poise in the midst of

690
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: chaos that Crawford had that Spence didn't. And it's easy

691
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: to say, oh, he didn't have it because he was

692
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: chasing and he was knocked down early in her and

693
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: his face was puffy and bleeding. And is it easier

694
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: to have that poison focus when you're ahead in a fight,

695
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: for sure, But you're not cracking buds shell in that regard,

696
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: because obviously we talked about coming in there's no greater

697
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: finisher in this game than Bud Crawford. When he smells blood,

698
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: when he knows he has you heard, look his calmness.

699
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: So I learned that about Spence, that there are levels

700
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: to greatness. It's just not on the level of what

701
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: Bud brings. That's a special, a special level of being

702
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: able to operate in the moment, make those adjustments, think

703
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: calm and clearly, and in the midst of chaos, just

704
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: sidestep and deliver. Spence didn't have it on this night

705
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: on that level, not even close.

706
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: In fact, yeah, I was gonna say a couple of things. One,

707
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: the defensive issues really were shown here by Bud. Now again,

708
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: the thing is, it's like, oh, you know, how come

709
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: you didn't see these issues before? I don't know, how

710
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: come kel Brooke didn't. You know? How come Sean Porter didn't.

711
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: How come any of these guys who fought him didn't either,

712
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: like they like no one. This is the thing BC.

713
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 2: Bud took the first round off, which he normally does.

714
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: This is what really shocked me. If you had told

715
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: me that Bud was gonna win, okay, that's entirely believable.

716
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: Bud's gonna win by stoppage, Okay, that's entirely believable. But

717
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: what did shock me was that the instant Bud turned

718
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: it on, the fight never went the other way like

719
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: when round two, when Bud decided to open up, it

720
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: was lost from there on out because their assessment of

721
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: his defensive issues was brilliant. Now, it's one thing to

722
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 2: have certain tools to counteract the very good portions of

723
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: his offense, that's all that's impressive. But what they had

724
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: clearly diagnosed well in the Crawford camp or some of

725
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: the defensive issues that Spence has kind of gotten away with.

726
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: There are times he doesn't, of course bring his hand

727
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: back to his face when he needs to. But the

728
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: biggest one BC and I went over this and dissected

729
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: was how much he reaches. He takes long steps and

730
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: if you don't realize this, folks, take a short step,

731
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: it's no big deal. Take the longest step you can

732
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: while keeping your back foot planted, and then see how

733
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 2: your balance is. It's not great. Now, think about retracting

734
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: all the way back to your normal stance. The longer

735
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: you oh, the longer it takes to get back, the

736
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: further you go, the more unstable you are. And Crawford

737
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: was able to pull him into these over and over

738
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: and then set him on fire with proper positioning. Just

739
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: one of the most miraculous things I've ever seen. Dude.

740
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: It's not that other guys haven't hurt Spence, It's not

741
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: that other guys haven't won rounds against him. It's that

742
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: no one has been this immediately decisive against him in

743
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: the most full throated way that has never happened before.

744
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: And it happened in an overwhelming amount. One more if

745
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: I maybe see I want to tell the folks about this.

746
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 2: One of the keys if you cannot beat Aerol Spence,

747
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 2: if you don't have an issue a strategy for his job.

748
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: Everyone he's ever fought has had some different kind of

749
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 2: attack to figure it out. Some were successful, some warrant.

750
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: But you know that's the key. You have to take

751
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: away the jab. One of the things Crawford did was

752
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: because they were both standing south Paul, he would just

753
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: use his own left hand to push Spence's jab. He

754
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: would be just far enough where he could see it.

755
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: He'd push it over. Now he has a laying career

756
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: where he could come over the top. As you guys

757
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: all saw, that was part of it. But I love

758
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: this BC where he would he would have almost like

759
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: a Philly shell, not quite right arm by his side,

760
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: hand up here. He would parry the jab over, bring

761
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 2: the hand back, and then go back on the same side.

762
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: He parry, catch and then shoot while keeping his right

763
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: hand down. So it's always a threat if you need it,

764
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: or if Spence wanted to go to the body, he

765
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: was fully protected. Dude, I've just never seen game planning

766
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: for an opponent that good, that precise, and that effective

767
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 2: all at the same time. Only only Bud Crawford could

768
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: pull this off. Like BC, you could give this game

769
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: plan to a prime kel Brook, you could give this

770
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: game plan to a prime Danny Garcia. Whoever, they couldn't

771
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: do what Bud Crawford did. It's the marriage of the two.

772
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,479
Speaker 1: And I want to revisit very quickly that whole idea

773
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: of like, well, you guys are experts, you should have

774
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: saw it coming or any of us really Look, it

775
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: is the level of competition you face. I'm Bud Crawford

776
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: was knocked down by he just kavaliowskis mean machine in

777
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: their fight. He got up Bimbo mean machine not too

778
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: long after. But like we also saw him against David Benavidez,

779
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: his younger brother, in a fight that Bud scored a

780
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: final round knockout, but you know it took him a

781
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: while to figure out. I think Luke with Bud, when

782
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: the skill gap is so wide, that's where he really

783
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: takes the time. Where it looks like some of these

784
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: opponents are having more success against him because he's really

785
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: taken four and five rounds to try to figure him out.

786
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: What's that early big win he had at lightweight to

787
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: establish himself. It was the Aurea with Scamboa fight when

788
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: Gamboau was unbeaten and Bud like almost completely took the

789
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: first four and a half rounds out and we were

790
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: in the moment going, Wow, Gamboa's handspeed really giving him problems.

791
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: I think when the skill gap was wider, you saw

792
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: Bud take more time to make sure he figured you out.

793
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: Once he figured you out, he goes to South Paul

794
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: and he gets you out of there, and he's nasty

795
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: and doing it. And I wonder if some of that Luke,

796
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: when he's kind of unknowingly fighting, you know, down to competition,

797
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: that when we got somebody in there against him who

798
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: he couldn't take that time, who he had to deliver

799
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: it right now in the moment that he was so

800
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: much better than we ever thought he was, because he

801
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: was so much better than he has ever really needed

802
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: to be in any of these fights. Because as I

803
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: always say about Bud, because the first time we all

804
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: saw Bud Crawford at this at a high level was

805
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: on HBO about a decade ago when he filled in

806
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: it last minute and he moved up and wait and

807
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: took on Brightest Prescott, you remember Prescott, Colombian Plumber, and

808
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: knocked out Amir Khan early on, and he won that

809
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: fight so thoroughly from the outside as he did his

810
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: next fight after that against Andre Klimoff, that we were thinking, like, man,

811
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: this guy's going to be really tough to be from

812
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: distance in pure boxing style. Now his game evolved way

813
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: beyond that, but he literally has every tool, Luke, and

814
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: I think it took the majesty of this moment, the stakes,

815
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: the close up and all of that for Bud to

816
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: finally activate that fall across the board. Everything he's got

817
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: and will never be the same, will never look at

818
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: him the same in that regard. I mean, I I

819
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: just I can't. I cannot get over my own stumbling

820
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: of words at how in awe I am of the

821
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: how thorough this performance was, and how yes it had

822
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: been hiding all along in plain sight. You can go

823
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: back and watch his rise through welterweight and you'll see

824
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: some of those flashes, but it's not until somebody's coming

825
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: after him who literally can hurt him and literally has

826
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: the boxing ability to stay with him. Did we really

827
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: find out what we have here, and I hope Luke,

828
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: in my true moment of truth in my profession one

829
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: day when I get the call for the big leagues

830
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: and I get up there, that I can deliver even

831
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: half as thorough and call him and prepared emploise of

832
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: this performance. I mean, that's the peak of the freaking

833
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: profession right there in front of you.

834
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I said, I said it on air on Saturday.

835
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 2: I'll say it again. And I'm not saying you can't

836
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: go and watch you know what Ali did on some

837
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: previous fight and not feel differently, but for something I

838
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: watched live either at home or on TV just while

839
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: it happened, it's the best combat sports performance I've ever seen.

840
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: From that vantage point, it's by far the best one.

841
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: I I like, way way better than anything else I've seen. Now,

842
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: b S, you brought up one fifty four. Let's transition

843
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: to that for just a little bit here if we can.

844
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: But let me throw to a tweet first. In the

845
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 2: middle of Bud Crawford kicking the shit out of Errol Spence,

846
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: he knocked him down, and the ref is sort of

847
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: tending to Erol Spence counting him down. Whatever, look at

848
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: what he did in the middle of it. Look at

849
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: this here he is talking to Jermale Charlow and goes,

850
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: you're next and grab more time. Play that through.

851
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: He grabbed his crotch and did like a you know,

852
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: I got I got big ones, I got big marbles.

853
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So for folks wh don't understand it, remember this

854
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: fight's at one forty seven. Your next. He's talking to

855
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: the guy at one fifty four who has all the

856
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: belts up there. So he just knocks down a guy

857
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 2: who's never been knocked down before, did it for the

858
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 2: second time, turns over to the guy who's the champion

859
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: with all war belts up aweight class and goes, motherfucker,

860
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: you are next. BC. Dude, the kohones.

861
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: This man, are you shitting me?

862
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: If you're a cond fan, if you're a combat sports fan,

863
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: how do you look at that and say anything other

864
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: than God is real?

865
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: Look at this man. I mean, that's how we want

866
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: our heroes to act. That's how we want our our

867
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: studs in this fight game to act. It's incredible. And

868
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: I want to say one thing about Bud the person here.

869
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: In reality, it doesn't matter how these guys act to

870
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: the media, to the fans, whatever, We're gonna judge him

871
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: on their brilliance in the ring for the most part, right,

872
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: that's short of getting arrested a ton outside the ring,

873
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: and that changes at times your perception of how you

874
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: cover and talk about people. But Bud was never loved

875
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: by the media, and some of that was certainly his

876
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: own doing. From the beginning. He was never a good

877
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: interview He never seemed to try hard top rank hat

878
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: issues with him from a pr since the beginning, trying

879
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: to get him to care more in the interviews. Look,

880
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: you've interviewed him before, I've interviewed him. It's it's it's

881
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: stale bread, right, But I don't hold that against him whatever.

882
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: Sometimes through that process, especially through the last five years,

883
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: when he's being asked about Spence every single interview, no

884
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: matter who he's fighting, and there's this idea being talked

885
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: down to him that, oh, you're not as good as

886
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: Spence because you're not fighting the same level of guys

887
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: because of where you are, you know, politically and such

888
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: that I think at times, I won't say he had

889
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: a bad relationship with the media, but it just wasn't great.

890
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: The totality of the personality that Bud showed through this

891
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: performance and particularly afterwards, it was great to see. He

892
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: didn't need to turn this into a giant baby face moment,

893
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: but he did. The celebration and the ring afterwards with

894
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: the family, the very humble acknowledgment of Jesus Christ and

895
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: his God, you know, the inspiration that he had to

896
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: get to this point, the humility he showed afterwards, suspense

897
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: even though at times it was you know, back and

898
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: forth with the insult, especially at the press conference leading

899
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: up to it. I just feel all in all that

900
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: we came out of here, not just in awe about

901
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: the inn ring performs, not just man, wasn't he badass

902
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: when he looked over at Jrmel and said you're next?

903
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: Not just all of that stuff. But I feel like

904
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: he was a true sportsman, a true gentleman, a true

905
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: family man. In the process that I think it's all

906
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: coming together full circle for Bud. He did it his way,

907
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: yet he still got the big fights, still made the

908
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: big money, and forever how long he wants to continue,

909
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: which is this is the part of the conversation now

910
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: where we say what's next, what should be next? Like

911
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: how big is this ceiling. He will be thirty six

912
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: in a couple months, but he is at a level

913
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: right now, and I think he now has also the

914
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: spotlight and people going, damn, he's pretty good dude, Like

915
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: he's this dude. He's been this dude all along. He

916
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: could do anything he wants moving forward, Luke, And for

917
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: as long as he can keep up at this level,

918
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: he may be able to lift himself historically to a

919
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: spot that I just didn't think was possible because we

920
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: had that long stretch where he didn't have access to

921
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: the biggest names. No one's gonna take away what he

922
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: did at lightweight. He beat the beat Postal, all the

923
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: big names. At one point, he became the undisputed champion,

924
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: even though that division was weak at that time. But

925
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: to go through Spence like this, to have done that

926
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: to Porter and now Luke, there are people that are

927
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: literally saying, and I want to get your opinion on this, okay,

928
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: because there is a bilateral rematch clause. Spence said, I

929
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: want this a second time, but I'd love it at

930
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: fifty four if you don't mind. Bud said, I kind

931
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: of agree with him. There is a growing sentiment even

932
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: though Jermeal Charlo has Canelo next October thirtieth, huge fight.

933
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: Jermal said on the broadcast Saturday that win or lose

934
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: against Canelo, he still wants to do business at fifty

935
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: four as the undisputed champion. Should boxing step in and

936
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: maybe do Jermal versus Bud next for the under to

937
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: try to become a three division undisputed champion the four

938
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: belt era, and maybe Spence against Tim Zoo. I mean,

939
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: is what is the perfect scenario in how boxing takes

940
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: this moment and then properly spins it off, Like how

941
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: viable is a one to fifty four rematch between these two?

942
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas up next?

943
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: I had never even considered it, and then after Saturday,

944
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: I can't, like, I don't know what to do with it.

945
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 2: And again, let's set the table here. Canello fights September thirtieth.

946
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 2: Everyone knows that against Jermel Charlo. Remember it was supposed

947
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: to be Jermal Charlo who is the bigger of the two.

948
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: Instead it's Jermel the one to fifty four champion. Let's

949
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 2: connect the dots here, fans. That's who Bud Crawford was taunting.

950
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: That's who Bud Crawford was looking at. And saying you're

951
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: next the guy who's gonna go fight Canelo. So now

952
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 2: it creates all this weirdness because it's like, oh, well shit,

953
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: if Bud can do that to the guy at one

954
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: forty seven, what can you do at one fifty four?

955
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: And to your point, could he become undisputed in a

956
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: third wad class in the four belt era, which by

957
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: the way, no no boxer has ever done before? Uh,

958
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: and give him the given the constraints there, So it's like, I,

959
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: I mean, the die is kind of cast, right, Charlo

960
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: is gonna go fight up. The question is are they

961
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: gonna make him give up his titles or not. We're

962
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: gonna find that out because Hani wants to go fight

963
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: Pro Gray but wants to keep his titles. I guess

964
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens with that. So it's a question

965
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: whether he keeps them or not. And b sad, I

966
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: don't know what the right answer is, but I'll say this.

967
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: I'll say this if if they do another rematch and

968
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 2: it's another blowout and then Charlo loses to Canelo and

969
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: his back at one fifty four, Yes, I want to

970
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: see Charlo versus Bud Crawford. I cannot believe I'm saying that,

971
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: but I absolutely want to see if they can make

972
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: it for all four belts. Let me give me Bud

973
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: Crawford with the toughest test boxing can throw at him.

974
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna doubt that guy from Omaha, Nebraska ever.

975
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: Again, no no doubt and so so, just to clarify,

976
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: but Spence is teammates with Jamel Craft, Jamal Charlow under

977
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: Derek James, so they're not gonna fight. But if Charlo

978
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: comes out of that Canelo fight winner lose, obviously Tim

979
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: Zoo is still there and still owed he right he

980
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: has an interim or secondary title. He still owed that

981
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: shot injecting Bud Crawford into that one fifty four mix

982
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: with all those other names. We would all love to

983
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: see him fight for that and get that chance of history. Now,

984
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: to clarify, in history, there are a lot of historians

985
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: that are tweeting after we are lifting butt up rightfully,

986
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: so in this four belt era which began in nineteen

987
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: eighty eight, which we don't all love the four belt

988
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: era right because we want one championship per division like

989
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: it's bs, but we do have to remember that like

990
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: Henry Armstrong the Boxing Hall of Famer. He was undisputed

991
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: in three different way classes at the same time, back

992
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: when there was only one title per weight class. That's,

993
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: in my opinion, will will beyond this in terms of

994
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: you know what has been accomplished. But we'd be kidding

995
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: ourselves if that victory from Crawford in the in how

996
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: wide it was, doesn't move him up the chains historically

997
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: at welterweight in a monster way. And Luke, if he's

998
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: willing to dare to be great and if his body

999
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: can hold the weight and if he can move up,

1000
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: and we know he has the chin, we know he

1001
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: has the speed. I'm not putting it past him that

1002
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: becoming the undisputed champion at one fifty four is not

1003
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: out of the realm. You already have that matchup ready

1004
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: all how about this. I also don't hate the idea

1005
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: of him going up to one sixty and fighting Jermal.

1006
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: I also don't hate the idea of Bud Crawford fighting

1007
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: Canello at a catchweight. Budd Crawford has two more fights

1008
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: under his PBC, but he sued Top Rank for racism

1009
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: basically when his deal was up. That doesn't look like

1010
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: they're doing business anytime soon. De Zone and Eddie Hern

1011
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: and Oscar at the moment are kind of going through

1012
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: a down season and don't have the guns that PBC does.

1013
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: If Bud Crawford stays on this side of the street,

1014
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: there are monster fights you can make. I mean, look,

1015
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: am I being too crazy too in the moment? Am

1016
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: I saying I love you after a one night's stand?

1017
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: If I'm saying let's do Bud and Canelo at a

1018
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: cross weight? Because Spence has been talking about Canelo at

1019
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,439
Speaker 1: a cross at a catchwaight for years? Did Bud show

1020
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: you in this performance that he can pile on weight

1021
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and he can be a factor in these higher weight classes?

1022
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: Are we crazy again? If it had been close with Spence,

1023
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: I might feel differently, But it wasn't. It was a

1024
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: complete beatdown in every way, defensively, remarkable, offensively, almost impossible

1025
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: to describe. I am not going to doubt him at

1026
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: one fifty four. I do think you have to ask

1027
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: questions when you begin to like, where did Bud what's

1028
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 2: the smallest Bud has ever fought at PC?

1029
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: One thirty five?

1030
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: One thirty five? Okay, So then you would have to say, yeah,

1031
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: so one sixty is going to be close to the limit.

1032
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: One sixty eight would be far too much for me.

1033
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: Then you're starting. I mean that's when you're in like

1034
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: big boy territory, Like, no, you couldn't do that. One

1035
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: sixty would strain about the limit. I think of what

1036
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: is possible. I think one fifty four is absolutely.

1037
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: He has long arms. His long arms, the speed will carry.

1038
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: He does have pop in a backbone, and did show

1039
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: against a big puncher against Spence that nothing moved him. Uh.

1040
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: You know again, greatness brings out the greatness in certain fighters.

1041
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: If the challenge was this, this big, and obviously if

1042
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: Crawford did this long of a training camp, this challenge

1043
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: was big enough to let him know that I need

1044
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: to be the best I've ever been. And look when

1045
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: you saw tell me this, when you you were there

1046
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: at the way and when you saw Crawford take off

1047
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: the shirt and step on the scale on Friday, I

1048
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh crap. I mean, look, we've seen abs,

1049
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: abs or abs. Dude, he had undisputed abs if that.

1050
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: Means more than that, he had fuller shoulders, he had

1051
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: a bigger back, you know what I mean, Like he

1052
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: had clearly level up to get ready. This is what

1053
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: I mean. Everyone's like, why didn't you see that? Well,

1054
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: because I've never seen a way in where he looked

1055
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: quite like that, you know what I mean, I've seen

1056
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: him look obviously he's a professional or whatever, but not quite.

1057
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: I mean, every T crossed, every I dotted, I mean,

1058
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: knew they had the right game plan, knew they were ready,

1059
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: just really really really leveling up and dialing in at

1060
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 2: the same time. But b see, it makes me wonder,

1061
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 2: like you've you know, I mean, I know this is

1062
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: sort of like a weirder question maybe, but I'm wondering

1063
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: where you rank this all time among like welter weight

1064
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: performances in boxing all time one forty seven stack division, Mayweather, Paciao, Uh,

1065
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, Ray Leonard, I could go on and on

1066
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: De la Hoya, Trinidad, you name it. This, This is,

1067
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 2: this has got to be close to the top of

1068
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: the list, right.

1069
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: For Yeah, it is. It is because you know, we

1070
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: had this conversation when in a way put Away Fulton

1071
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: at the level he did moving up to a fourth

1072
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: weight division on Tuesday of last week, that like, look,

1073
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: I don't think i've seen this one side, because again

1074
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: it's different when it's older guy against younger guy in

1075
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, the boxing food chain takes over and the

1076
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: older guy gets handled and we move on. Doesn't always happen,

1077
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: but that's the way. Typically. This was equals around the

1078
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: same age Prime versus Prime, two all time greats on paper.

1079
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: You know, you have Mayweather and in corrals in two

1080
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: thousand and one. You've got be hop In and Trinidad

1081
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: from that same year, but those weren't welterweight fights. I

1082
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: don't think there's a knee jerk equivalent at welterweight to

1083
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: a performance this great and this wide. I mean, look

1084
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: Sigarott Leonard against Thomas Hearns down on the scorecards. You're

1085
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: blowing it sun in nineteen eighty one and him rallying

1086
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: back for a big stoppage late. That's a different kind

1087
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: of you know, star making performance and showing the true

1088
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: metal inside of Leonard. But what Crawford did, I mean,

1089
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: Crufford kicked the shit out of Aerospence, like absolutely, just.

1090
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: Damn did he dumbed him. He dummied him. I dummied

1091
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: him worse than what Volk did to Max in the

1092
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: third fight. It was even worse than that.

1093
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean, this fight was so big Mike Coppinger even

1094
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: found a way to get in the building. Okay, but

1095
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas do like, how much like let's be fair

1096
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: on the other side for Spence here? Okay, how much

1097
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: do you think that wake Cup bothered him so that

1098
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: if they did a one point fifty four rematch, do

1099
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: you expect a different Spence?

1100
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: They're definitely gonna have. Here's one thing that I noticed,

1101
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: and Derek James was all over him about it from

1102
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: the word go. And is he gonna be like, oh,

1103
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: you're making excuses for Spence.

1104
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: I'm not.

1105
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: I'm not. But have I seen Spence move better in

1106
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: terms of defensive responsibility in other fights? Yes, I've seen

1107
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: him move much better. So here's what I'm gonna say.

1108
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: I don't know how much punch resistance will change some

1109
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: but to me, b see, the issue this time was

1110
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: the Errol Spence who showed up while physically drained. I'm sure, dude,

1111
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: you can't not look at the skill difference. The issue

1112
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: was he was Spence was getting out thought, he was

1113
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: getting out planned, he was getting out executed, and they

1114
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 2: had him positionally wherever they wanted him. I mean, you know, again.

1115
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: Can one fifty four and a new chance at working

1116
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: on the things that didn't go right this time make

1117
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: a second fight better. Yes, of course, of course if

1118
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 2: they fought again, maybe Bud wins even quicker. But I

1119
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: would expect Spence to clean up a lot of the

1120
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: things that got him messed up here. So I'm happy

1121
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: to see him at one fifty four. But there's the

1122
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: other part of me too. BC. It's like, remember this

1123
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: debate we were having about Spence, which was, hey, is

1124
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: he damaged goods from the car wreck and the eye surgery?

1125
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 2: And I was, you know, after the Porter fight and

1126
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: you know, the garciafa. I was a little bit inconclusive,

1127
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: but I was like maybe. But then for me, for

1128
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 2: me the Ugas fight, I was like, Okay, well that's

1129
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: not I think he's bash true. Well, dude, he got

1130
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: fucking thrashed in this fight, I mean thrashed, And I wonder, dude,

1131
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 2: I don't know about you. After around seven, when he

1132
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 2: knocked him down twice, I'm like, Derek James needs to

1133
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: get the towel ready. They need to get the towel ready.

1134
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: This is starting to go real bad. Yeah quick, So

1135
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: how much of so my question is this, Yeah, car

1136
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: eye surgery, general wear and tear, plus the beating that

1137
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 2: Crawford gave him, how much will that matter in any

1138
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: kind of rematch.

1139
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: Also, and again this is again not making excuses, just

1140
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: trying to make sense of it. All. Spence had been

1141
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: through harder fights. Even in fights that he won and dominated,

1142
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: like the Ugas fight, he's in the trenches trading punches.

1143
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: This is one thing you have to give credit to

1144
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: Crawford for and maybe in obviously Mayweather as well. Now,

1145
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: Mayweather took a lot of time off in his thirties, right,

1146
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: He'd be off for a year and a half and

1147
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: then fight, be off for another year and a half

1148
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: and then fight. A lot of that, by the way,

1149
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: was to preserve the health of his hands. But I

1150
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: think also Mayweather's not getting hit consistently throughout that he's

1151
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: dominating people in one sided fashion, that I think that

1152
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: played into his longevity and Mayweather going all the way

1153
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: up until age thirty eight in twenty fifteen against both

1154
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: both Pachio and Andre Berto. Here high steak shout out

1155
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: to this old relic of a T shirt that you

1156
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: know he was still very close to his prime. I'm wondering, Luke,

1157
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: with Crawford only fight once per year over the last

1158
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,919
Speaker 1: four years and not taking that same punishment because he's

1159
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: so elusive and able to outclass the opponents for the

1160
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: for the most part, up until this point, Porter gave

1161
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: him a little bit of trouble. People trying to dead

1162
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: wrong me. I think I made the illusion that Porter

1163
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: was up on the scorecards against Crawford, and then they

1164
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: showed me the scorecards. I believe it was even on

1165
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: all three scorecards at the sixth round. I was basically

1166
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: trying to say that Porter came out early and sort

1167
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: of took an early lead and Crawford figured it out.

1168
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: But I do wonder, Luke, if this can lead to

1169
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: Crawford staying at a very high level and potentially moving

1170
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: up and wait in his late thirties by not taking

1171
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: that same pounding that Spence did to get to this point.

1172
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: Either way, skills still pay the bills, and the skills

1173
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: were the difference real quick, Luke, because we have a

1174
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: lot of UFC to get into. I don't bring this

1175
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: up for the gossip element of it, because there is

1176
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: video out there that the Charlotte brothers that their significant

1177
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: others may have gotten into some type of fracas and

1178
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: that led to Caleb Plant trying to break them up,

1179
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: and then we did see video of Caleb Plant jumping

1180
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: in and hitting Jamal Charlow in this craziness. Did you

1181
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: see any of that or the fall out of that?

1182
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: I mean, are we building?

1183
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't there, so like after the presser,

1184
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 2: I was not in the back I had gone, I was.

1185
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: We were obviously you could see where we were. It

1186
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: was me, Ariel and Kate Abdo and we were kind

1187
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: of like just a just a you know, a row

1188
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: of seats back from the floor. Talked to other show

1189
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 2: Times people about like the show tomorrow, and then I

1190
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: walked out of that same entrance where like the VIP

1191
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 2: get picked up where the media tent is and I

1192
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: actually met shouts to Steve Colfield, who does local radio

1193
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 2: in Vegas. I went over into the media tent. That's

1194
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 2: where I saw Chris al Jerry, That's where I saw

1195
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 2: Steve Cofield, and I did a little bit of local

1196
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 2: radio with Steve, and then I came out and then

1197
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: I know there was nothing there, but where that had

1198
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: happened was the nearby parking deck. Which is right just

1199
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: over the way. I wasn't over there for it, but

1200
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: I did, and of course Caleb slapped him right at

1201
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 2: the same kind of exit. But I didn't see any

1202
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: of it. I saw the videos. I'll just say this, man, like,

1203
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: you know, guys are gonna do what they're gonna do.

1204
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: I don't recommend hitting people on camera unless you're getting

1205
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 2: paid for it legally, because obviously there can be legal repercussions.

1206
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: But aside from that, I don't know what's going on

1207
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: in Jamal's life, but it doesn't look like it's as

1208
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 2: stable as it could be.

1209
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and.

1210
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 2: It kind of bummed me out a little bit to

1211
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: be yeah, I'm sure of him. I sent it to

1212
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: you when before the Waves even started, he showed up

1213
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: on him like he had his entourage or whatever, but

1214
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: he was mostly by himself and he just walked up

1215
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: on stage and like started flexing for no one on

1216
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: the scales, just in front of everyone, and he was

1217
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: looking around like taking it all in. It was I

1218
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: don't know, it was like a sweet moment, but it

1219
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 2: was also kind of like bittersweet at the It was

1220
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 2: just I don't know, man, That's why I.

1221
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: Bring it up because I wanted to acknowledge it. When

1222
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: when that video first getting passed around, we were like, yeah, man,

1223
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: let's do let's do Plant versus Jamal. It'll be a

1224
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: blood war. But then you find out that there was,

1225
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, some inner family stuff going on behind the scenes.

1226
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: Caleb was actually trying to separate everybody, and I think

1227
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: that's when Jamal pushed him in the face and and

1228
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: you saw that. But uh, wild wildness going on there.

1229
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: But damn Kaylen plants. Huh that's a fist That's a

1230
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:02,479
Speaker 2: feisty guy.

1231
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he he is a g in his own way.

1232
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: I do have a lot of respect for kayleb play.

1233
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: He does not back down from anything, anything at all.

1234
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: There it is lastly, let's talk about this the walkouts.

1235
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: We have to say something about it, and then we

1236
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: could probably close and move on to some UFC bud

1237
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: coming out with Eminem and I was saying, if you're

1238
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: gonna break the Eminem, you lose yourself, curse. There's one

1239
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: way to do it. You got to walk out with

1240
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: the Eminem himself. And dude, when he had the fish

1241
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 2: net on as well and walked into the room, I

1242
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 2: was like, I was like, dude, that was that was

1243
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: one of the coldest entrances I've ever seen. And this

1244
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 2: is the ship that's missing from MMA. I mean, you

1245
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 2: get in Japan, you get in some of the promotions

1246
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: that are a little bit less uptight about it, but like,

1247
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: can you imagine how much that would add to a

1248
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: UFC event if there was like some kind of similar

1249
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: like big fish line and then one of the guys

1250
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: walks in with that.

1251
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: Or you know, rip ciinad O'Connor and we're showing that

1252
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: great moment with Connor back in the day. It's like,

1253
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: we should get more of those moments. But I believe

1254
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 1: this will be coming up Luke and dms from Donks,

1255
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: so we can y lose yourself into the UFC now, all.

1256
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: Right, so let's do that. Now, let's switch gears and

1257
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: get over to some MMA if we can, all right,

1258
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 2: UFC two ninety one in the books. Funnily enough, on

1259
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: my flat home from Las Vegas, I had a layover

1260
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City. Nice airport, by the way, very

1261
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: nice airport, beautiful, beautiful, so what.

1262
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: It's one of it's it's arguably the most beautiful airport

1263
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: in this country.

1264
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: It might be. It was actually, I mean, to go

1265
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: from JFK to that, I was like, wow, there's pigeons

1266
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: in JFK. I mean, this is a nice airport, but

1267
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: atter's UFC fans everywhere. Was kind of funny. All right,

1268
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: b C. But let's start with this one. How about it?

1269
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 2: Justin Gaichee absolutely doing the damn thing stops Dustin Poirier

1270
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: wins the BMF belt and he did it in the

1271
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: second round. So here is my question. With two wins

1272
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: in a row, now, should the only fight next for

1273
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: Justin Gaichee be a title shot?

1274
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: I think he earned it. I talked about this in

1275
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: the post show Saturday, and you know, look, these people

1276
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: they lamented not having you in that UFC post show,

1277
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel bad for them, Luke. You

1278
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: know I tried my best to sauce it up a

1279
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: little bit for that.

1280
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you did a great job. And if anyone didn't

1281
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: like it, fuck him.

1282
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow? Yeah take that. No, look, Luke, here's

1283
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: the deal. This is the continued evolution of Justin Gaigee.

1284
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: And I didn't see this coming. I picked against him

1285
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: in the Physi fight, but he showed that veteran guile

1286
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: and he's not done improving and adding to his game

1287
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: at thirty four because he did not necessarily come out

1288
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: guns blazing. It was a little bit more calculated. They

1289
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: fought on largely even terms in that first round. People

1290
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: killing me for scoring that first round for Gei chee,

1291
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: But I gave a lot of credit to how he

1292
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: was hurting Pourier to the legs, even though he did

1293
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: get cut open in the standing there. But that was

1294
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: a weird ending because it came out of nowhere. And

1295
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: to see the breakdown on the film of how much

1296
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: that looked like in the same arena one year later

1297
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: the kick from Leon Edwards, how it was the opposite side,

1298
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: but there was so much craft and floating that right

1299
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: handed punch to move the guard of Poorier to land

1300
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: a partially blocked headkick that sent him to the shadow realms. Luke.

1301
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: I didn't think he had it in him. I thought

1302
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: gee Chie was going to revert at this point of

1303
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: his career, back to the caveman. I thought the two

1304
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: point zero of the BMF would lead these two to

1305
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,479
Speaker 1: just go guns blazing. Yeah, he's a viable as hell

1306
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: title contender now for the third time. If I'm him,

1307
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing nothing but sitting by the phone and waiting,

1308
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: waiting to see what happens there in Abu Dhabi. And

1309
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting there, Luke, what were you impressed with from

1310
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: the highlight in this performance?

1311
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, dude, I'll be honest with you.

1312
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: So you know, around let's say, let's say this around

1313
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: into the PHYSIV fight, I'm like, yeah, this is the

1314
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: decline of Justin Gaichee is upon us, you know, and

1315
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 2: not that it would be like calamitous and quick, but

1316
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: that it was inexorable, like it was going to start

1317
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: and like this was going to be evidence of it.

1318
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: And then he rallies in that fight, which I thought

1319
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: was incredible, right, I mean we even said at the time, like,

1320
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: holy shit, what a what a dog moment that was

1321
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: for that guy. And then to go into this contest

1322
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: and I thought that Dustin won the first round, but

1323
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, it was competitive obviously, and then to throw

1324
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: out the head kick. Now I know Joe Rogan on

1325
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: the broadcast, I think I was saying it was the

1326
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: first time. I think it was like the third or

1327
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: even fourth time he had thrown it. He'd known it

1328
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: several times, but the thing that stood out to MEBC

1329
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: was it just to Getchee kind of alluded to it,

1330
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 2: like he just never stopped trying to get better, not

1331
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: that Dustin. Not that Dustin did either, But you could

1332
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 2: be at different parts of creativity or different parts of

1333
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 2: how you're able to really level up. Like people don't

1334
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: level up at all the same times in the same way.

1335
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes there can be different moments where people have bursts

1336
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: of inspiration. And for Justin Gaechie to be nearly thirty

1337
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 2: five years of age thirty four and some change, and

1338
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: to still be trying things that he you know, could

1339
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: do before but not very well, and then to beat

1340
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: in an opponent this quality by kind of mixing his

1341
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: game up. Still we talk about him, you know, recentering

1342
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 2: his defense, which he did. He made defense a much

1343
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: higher priority, which means he was getting hit a lot less,

1344
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 2: and he throws a lot less to BC, but he

1345
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: throws much more relatively speaking, when he used to much

1346
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: more efficiently. And now what I'd like to add bec

1347
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: is he's throwing things more creatively. He's able to think

1348
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: and try And I don't think this was like some

1349
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: huge plan, Like I don't think this is what Crawford

1350
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 2: was doing where they had like a really clear game

1351
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 2: plan and then they had really thought about it. I

1352
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: think he was kind of in a flow state perhaps

1353
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 2: more than anything else. But if you're in a comfortable

1354
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 2: enough flow state where you can throw something like that

1355
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: and put away dustin Pourier in the process, that is incredible.

1356
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: That is very very incredible to have this kind of

1357
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: late Renaissance ish surge at the table that while you're

1358
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: barreling down on thirty five at one hundred and fifty

1359
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: five pounds, after all the damage he's taken. Born competitor,

1360
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: born fighter. You know, obviously you don't win them all,

1361
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 2: but in a way kind of a born winner. And

1362
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 2: to see him investing in his game even this late

1363
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 2: into the run of it and the dividends that it pays,

1364
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,439
Speaker 2: I take my hat off to him. Very very very

1365
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: good performance.

1366
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: For me right, And I gotta say this, it's a

1367
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: perfect timing in the rankings, almost a perfect storm for

1368
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: him to be considered a legitimate title contender. Again, in

1369
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: ways I didn't realize Luke coming in. I didn't think

1370
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: either of these guys, whoever would win this rematch for

1371
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: the BMF, would necessarily be in this spot what we

1372
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: are talking about now, not naive. If Poorier had one,

1373
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: he does have, you know, a bigger star value than Gaichie.

1374
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: Could he have rematched olivera or fought you know, uh

1375
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: Islam for the first time and it was viable. It

1376
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 1: could have been, but I just didn't think we would

1377
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: be here having this conversation. But if you look at

1378
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: the rankings, Islam's a champion, Charles Oliver number one. They're

1379
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: rematching in October. Poorier at number two just lost, Gai

1380
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: Chee at three. Then you've got darry Yusch at four,

1381
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: just lost, Chandler at five not only lost but is

1382
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: trying to fight Usada coming up, Fazive at six just

1383
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: lost to Gaichie, and then you have Gamra at seven

1384
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: and Sar you can at eight, two young guys for

1385
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: the future, but both have had recent losses and some

1386
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: hangers on like Rda and Dan Hooker after that at

1387
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: nine and ten. I don't think there's an argument again,

1388
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: when's this that the winner here? And let you know,

1389
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: this kind of pushes the whole Volkanovsky Islam rematch thing

1390
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: back a little bit. Obviously, UFC can do whatever they

1391
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: want but now you got another viable guy here and Luke,

1392
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: does it matter though, here's the key question. Does it

1393
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: matter who wins that matchup to be able to open

1394
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: the door here for Gaichie to get the next shot

1395
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: after October?

1396
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 2: See that's the part I don't know, And it kind

1397
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 2: of leads us into this Connor McGregor question, because that's

1398
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: the other part that's looming here, right. I mean, the

1399
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: question I asked you to start was did he earn

1400
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: a title shot? My answer is yes, yes he did,

1401
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 2: Yes he did, He absolutely did. But the question is,

1402
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: is that's really what's going to happen given how things

1403
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 2: are shaking out? And I don't have a good answer

1404
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: for it. Islam has got this fight coming up in October.

1405
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: We'll see how things go. But you would imagine if

1406
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: he wins, are gonna want to run Vulcan. If he

1407
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: doesn't win, they might do a trilogy with Charles, So

1408
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 2: that's gonna be taken up some time. So it just

1409
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 2: seems like the Connor equation by virtue of like how

1410
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: big a fight it would be? And of course, you

1411
01:05:59,080 --> 01:05:59,479
Speaker 2: know how.

1412
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: For BMF are you talking about doing it for the BMF?

1413
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: Connor versus Geche.

1414
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: That's what. Honestly, I didn't even give two fucking thoughts

1415
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 2: to it. I mean the BMF title Again, it sounds

1416
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: like I'm hating on it. I'm really not. It just

1417
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything for me. It doesn't mean anything, you know,

1418
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: Like I have so much respect for Poaria and Gaechee

1419
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: that like them putting a belt on it. It's like,

1420
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 2: if it makes them feel better and he gets them

1421
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: pay per viewpoints, dude, do more of it. But it

1422
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything for me. But the thing I was

1423
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: gonna say was, you know what really stood out to me, man,

1424
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: really stood out to me about all of this was

1425
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 2: that Connor was the one fishing for the fight rather

1426
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 2: than guys fishing for him. Now Connor knows that he's

1427
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 2: the biggest fight. Like that part is still you know,

1428
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 2: the equation hasn't flipped. But he used to have to

1429
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,920
Speaker 2: never say anything, and now you can see him planting seeds,

1430
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 2: getting agitated on social media, trying to like coax guys

1431
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 2: into it. Who do you like in that contest, Connor

1432
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 2: McGregor or Justin Gaechee, this version of Justin.

1433
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: Gaige, Dude, Justin Gaichee at every version at this point.

1434
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if I'd pick Connor unless

1435
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: it was twenty sixteen, Luke, So I mean I probably

1436
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: would have still picked Connor in twenty seventeen and eighteen,

1437
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: but you but here we're just so far past that.

1438
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, yeah, Connor, you have a fight against

1439
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: the other Ultimate Fighter coach first, So I guess we're

1440
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: not doing that because Connor won't get involved in USADA

1441
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: this year. So look, does the fact that this was

1442
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: for the BMF, even though it's weird, this fight was

1443
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: more about Geichee reinserting himself at the top and the

1444
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: conversation of the title path and not really about the BMF,

1445
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 1: And does it carry over? I mean, even even Mazlol

1446
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: putting the belt around Geechee's waist didn't have this, you know,

1447
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: pro wrestling drama moment that we thought. Geechee was asked

1448
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: about that the post very press conference fighting Connor, and

1449
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: he was like, I've turned that guy. That guy's turned

1450
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: me down six times already, and normally you have to

1451
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: lose to fight him next. So I'm not sure they

1452
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: could go that way, Luke. If if Charlie Olives wins

1453
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,439
Speaker 1: the title back and they do the trilogy, or if,

1454
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, Folk does get inserted back into the conversation.

1455
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 1: I guess in theory, the BMF title being present, if

1456
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: they want to reactivate it does make the idea of

1457
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: Geechee and Connor more viable. But I don't know. My

1458
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: question is short of adding more losses in the cage,

1459
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: which would devalue Connor's brand considerably, Like, how much more

1460
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: can Connor do to devalue his brand on his own?

1461
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 2: Luke?

1462
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: He's doing a lot of it and not fighting Chandler

1463
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: right now because he's not getting into a drug test

1464
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: in any form of timing. Even though the UFC committed

1465
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: with the tough show, Why should he be rewarded at

1466
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: this point? You know, if this was Connor in twenty seventeen,

1467
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: it's still all bets are off, right, he gets to

1468
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: break the rules. Connor in twenty twenty three, after two

1469
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: stoppage losses to Pourier and a long time out of

1470
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: the cage with nothing but continued bad headlines, Why the

1471
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: hell would that short of money? Why the hell would

1472
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: they reward that by saying, well, you know what, justin

1473
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: Gaigie instead of that title shot. Sorry, Chandler, stay back

1474
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: over there. We're gonna do Connor for the BMF. Like

1475
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 1: that's gimmicky as you can gimmicky get for the sake

1476
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: of being gimmicky at this point, you know what I'm saying.

1477
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 2: Look, abum, it's like, okay, but here's the problem, right,

1478
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 2: So we got we've got Charlie Olives and we got

1479
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: Makachev coming up right. Great fight, not hating on it

1480
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 2: at all. Some people like it more than others, but

1481
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: we like it on this show. Okay. So in either case,

1482
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who the winner is. In either case, you

1483
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 2: have a problem for Justin Gai Chee because if you

1484
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: look at his two losses, one was to Habib Nimberga Madov,

1485
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 2: who islam can fight, you know, reasonably similar to and

1486
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 2: you have Charlie Olives, who was the other guy in

1487
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 2: the fight who already beat him. In other words, yes,

1488
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 2: Charlie Olives knocked him down then took his back, but

1489
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 2: Nimbera Madov was able to take him down then take

1490
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 2: his back. Why couldn't Makachev do that? And or Charlie

1491
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 2: Olives do it again? Like you know, you have a

1492
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 2: bad matchup for you. So it's like, it's like that

1493
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 2: there is that really the best use. I mean, I

1494
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: know Justin probably wants one of those, But I don't

1495
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 2: think you're just gonna You're not gonna get your Your

1496
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: likelihood of getting the Justin Gaichee experience goes up if

1497
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: you fight Connor McGregor. It goes down when you fight

1498
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 2: someone like an Olavera or a Makachev who can just

1499
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: neutralize the one real, big remaining weakness that he has

1500
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: in his game that only special grappler types can really

1501
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,639
Speaker 2: take advantage of. So for that reason, that's why it's

1502
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 2: not so much we're trying to downgrade you. It's like,

1503
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: how do we get the best out of this experience?

1504
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: You probably, in all likelihood get the best out of

1505
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 2: putting Justin up against Connor, someone who's not gonna try

1506
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 2: and wrestle, fuck him, try and take his back. He's

1507
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: going to stand with him, for better or for worse.

1508
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 2: He's gonna stand with him, and you're probably gonna get

1509
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 2: a stoppage in that contest one direction or the other.

1510
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 2: What's what's not to like about that?

1511
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: You're cashing him out first of all? But number two,

1512
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: I know your answer is going to be UFC doesn't care.

1513
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: That's how they're going to justify it. But literally, how

1514
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 1: would you justify not making the Chandler fight when everybody

1515
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,759
Speaker 1: knows the Connor Chandler fight is only not happening because

1516
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: of Connor's reluctance or refusal to undergo drug testing. So

1517
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 1: how are you going to justify old switcher ru and

1518
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: just go no, no, no, Connor won't drug test for Chandler,

1519
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: but he will Forgate. Here we go, how do you

1520
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: justify that?

1521
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 2: I mean, does it? No?

1522
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: But then' that weird? Like like Luke, here's the deal.

1523
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: I used to believe in the ghost of Connor. I

1524
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: used to protect the ghost of Connor. Well you and

1525
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: I used to say, you know what, ef it? Connor

1526
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: still got one big win in him. He'll still surprise

1527
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 1: you with a quick left cross and it's possible. But

1528
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: he is a carriature now of himself. Do you know

1529
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: the level Connor should be fighting against right now? I'm

1530
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: gonna be very honest with you, Nate Trilogy, Let's bring

1531
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: Mosbral out of retirement because they're probably similar now, or

1532
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: even if Robbi Lawler wants to do it again, let's

1533
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: do Connor and Robbie at Waltswaite. That's the level Connor

1534
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 1: is at now in my mind. Tell me I'm wrong,

1535
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: tell me I'm wrong. I know his brand.

1536
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 2: I cannot say you're wrong, but I have not. I

1537
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 2: cannot say you're wrong because I don't know. I genuinely

1538
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 2: don't know. My hunch is that's a little on the

1539
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 2: harsh side. But you know, to your I saw you know,

1540
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 2: I saw someone tweeting about this, and it brings up

1541
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 2: basically what you're thinking, which is Connor hasn't done something

1542
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: like Okay, yes, he made a bunch of money, you know,

1543
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 2: and not just fighting, but through the whiskey business and

1544
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 2: everything else, and God bless him. Like he's entitled to

1545
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: all that money. I don't have any issue with a

1546
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: single penny of it, and nor how he spends it

1547
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 2: not my business. But in terms of like professional accomplishment

1548
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: inside the cage or the ring, he hasn't given his

1549
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 2: fans anything to cheer about in a long time. That's true.

1550
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: It's true. He hasn't really given them much to look

1551
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: back on this in the last few years to be like, wow,

1552
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 2: I remember that glory Like Bud is going to surf

1553
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: off what he did on Saturday for a long time,

1554
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 2: but we're feeling it fresh on a Monday, Like, when

1555
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 2: was the last time a McGregor fan felt like this,

1556
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 2: you know, in real time. It's been a while. It's

1557
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 2: been a while for that, and so there's just a

1558
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: certain amount of negativity that is surrounding him, and I

1559
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: think you're feeling some of that, not on a personal level,

1560
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: but like a professionally frustrating level. And I get that

1561
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: as well. I still think it would be foolish. I mean,

1562
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 2: I've underestimated Connor so many times that I really don't

1563
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: want to do it if I don't have to, So

1564
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 2: I would say that, like to me, his decline mean,

1565
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: he's thirty five now, right like his decline is baked in.

1566
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 2: He's not going to be the same guy nor out in.

1567
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 2: I think we should expect him to be. I just

1568
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 2: feel like, if you're trying again, if you're trying to

1569
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,759
Speaker 2: get the most out of the Justin and Connor experience

1570
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: at this time, Dude, that's a fun ass fight. I

1571
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 2: do think either guy can win it, And if Connor

1572
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: wins it, that would be in my mind, Suffice to say,

1573
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 2: it would be the the fulfillment of that one last

1574
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: win kind of expectation that you and I had. I

1575
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: would consider beating Justin Gaegee this year or next year

1576
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 2: an elite win.

1577
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: Even again, even with the idea that if you are

1578
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 1: the all time greatest salesman in UFC history, which Connor is,

1579
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 1: you get special privileges. Yes, you can't do that. Now,

1580
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't screw Chandler over. You can't just

1581
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: why not?

1582
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 2: Why can't you?

1583
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: Saw?

1584
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 2: Who is who is really gonna say and this is

1585
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 2: the only thing that matters, Not okay, this is the

1586
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: only thing that matters to the process. I should say,

1587
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: who is the customer that says, you know what, I'm

1588
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: not gonna buy this Connor McGregor pay per view because

1589
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be Chandler, and out of principle,

1590
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ride with him and say this is unfair.

1591
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: I'm not buying this. Not a fuck.

1592
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 1: It's really lame. It's really lame. At this point, it

1593
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: would put a bad taste in the mouth Luke, like,

1594
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: who I mean, where's Dana? Where was stand in Salt

1595
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: Lake City? Where the hell is Dana? Is he at

1596
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: a craps table with a millennial right now, Luke drinking

1597
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: Dad Seltzer. Where is he?

1598
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 2: Do you think there's Do you think it's a ninety

1599
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: nine point nine or one hundred chance he was watching

1600
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 2: Spence Crawford, Oh one hundred.

1601
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: Maybe he maybe even been at the fight, probably in

1602
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: like some box somewhere with Warren Buffett or whatever for

1603
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: all I know. But I mean, look, here's the deal.

1604
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: We never needed you more, Dana. What's going on at

1605
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 1: one thirty five in the women's what's going on at

1606
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: two oh five? Who the hell's fight for a title?

1607
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: What's going on anywhere but the damn slap show up?

1608
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: Let's go?

1609
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: What was it was? Let me ask you about Dustin

1610
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: Poarier too, because I mean, what a guy had the

1611
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: war hat on like Marvin Hagler and at the press conference,

1612
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 2: was like, I've already won, you know, in my life.

1613
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 2: And if you go out there and you win like

1614
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 2: a man, you gotta lose like a man. Dustin Poarier

1615
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 2: always says the right things, what a pro. We're lucky

1616
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 2: to have him. I will say this, he'll be thirty

1617
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: five soon as well. But more than that, BC, he's

1618
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 2: taken a lot of damage over the years. Now he

1619
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 2: has proven to be surprisingly durable, and I don't think

1620
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: the fact that he got knocked off in the head kick,

1621
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 2: even though he had a hand up, is proof that

1622
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: he's not durable. But again, adding all that previous damage,

1623
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 2: plus he just got head kick KOD, now I am

1624
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 2: starting to be a little bit concerned about how much

1625
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,560
Speaker 2: damage he's taken. Do you share some of my apprehensions?

1626
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yes I do. I don't think he's done, but

1627
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 1: I think if you hear his quotes closely afterwards, he

1628
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: basically admitted that he's done fighting contenders. He said he

1629
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 1: was offered Benil darry Usch before that the last fight

1630
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: when when dary Usch was defeated, but kind of was

1631
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: like you no, no, And if that's basically a number

1632
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 1: one contenders fight, so if you're turning that down, it

1633
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: means you're pretty much done, which is not a I

1634
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: don't say that negatively. When you get to this point

1635
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: in your career where your name is huge, you can

1636
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: still make super fun fights. You get in that Rich

1637
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: Flanklin portion at the end of his career, when you

1638
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: float around divisions and you just make big fights against

1639
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: other big names. If Moswedol wasn't retired, Luke I would say,

1640
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: you know what, does a stay busy get well do

1641
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: something like that. That's the level where he's at now.

1642
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: But the question is, who are the suitors? Can you

1643
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: give me two or three potential poorier fights next using

1644
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: that idea of name versus name, Let's make a fun

1645
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: action fight, Let's make it a pay per view comin event.

1646
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: Who are the people you would want to see this

1647
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: guy get some final paydays against and and you know,

1648
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 1: have some fun on his way out.

1649
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 2: Diaz, for sure he'll be back. I'm I'm I feel

1650
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 2: pretty confident in that he'll be back. Certainly, Connor, you

1651
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 2: could do it again. I don't think a fourth fight

1652
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: in any way would be a sales failure. Colby you

1653
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 2: could do as well. You could do a Colby fight.

1654
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 2: That was something they were interested in doing. Uh, And

1655
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 2: there's probably a couple of other ones along the way.

1656
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 1: But I think they reminded that. Our producers reminded me

1657
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 1: that Jorge and Dustin our teammates, but.

1658
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, they get that.

1659
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: I was talking more about the idea of we are

1660
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: the Jorges that he's going to fight Na his.

1661
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 2: Joorge would be Colby. It would be Colby.

1662
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I'm really moved by

1663
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: any of those. But hey, if we showed up to

1664
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,759
Speaker 1: a pay per view and it was Dustin versus Colby

1665
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 1: and the Colemane, I could get down with it.

1666
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I'd be I'd be down. I'll tell

1667
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 2: you what. I'll tell you what. I'd be down for

1668
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 2: Dustin versus Nay Diz. I'd be okay with that. I

1669
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 2: would favor Dustin, but I'd be okay with that. They

1670
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 2: almost thought. Remember they were supposed to fight previously and

1671
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 2: then the whole thing blew up. But you know we

1672
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 2: would be there, all right. You see. With that in mind,

1673
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 2: let's talk about topic number three if we can. Let's

1674
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 2: go to the comin So Alex Pareida scores a close

1675
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: decision split decision win over Yan Blohovitch and appears to

1676
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 2: be now in line for a title shot, which, to

1677
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: my understanding BC the UFC made explicit on Friday, based

1678
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 2: on what you saw at this fight against the Yan Belhovitch.

1679
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 2: By the way, tell me how you scored it. But

1680
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: in addition to tell me how you scored it based

1681
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 2: on the performance. Do you really believe he can win

1682
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 2: a title in this way? I do.

1683
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: I do believe he can. I wouldn't favor him against

1684
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,519
Speaker 1: any of those elites, but he obviously has the power

1685
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: where he's in any fight. And I scored this two

1686
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: rounds to one for him giving him round three, which

1687
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: was that swing bout all three judges, one of them

1688
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: giving it to Yan, two of them giving it to

1689
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: pa Data. But look what I talked about in the

1690
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: postfight show late Saturday was just how impressed I am

1691
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: with not just the evolution of his grappling defense, which

1692
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: ended up being a key factor in rounds two to three. Yes,

1693
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: Jan got that late takedown in round three with thirty

1694
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: seconds to go, but was unable to turn that into

1695
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 1: any level of offense. But it was the added weight

1696
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: which I talked about coming in. Will the added weight

1697
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: make him super dangerous? Like more in a lot of categories,

1698
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 1: we didn't see the added weight in not having to

1699
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,799
Speaker 1: cut down necessarily help him in striking, although his control

1700
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 1: of the striking a round two is what set him

1701
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: in the direction to win it. I think it helped

1702
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: him in the gas tank because the grappling exchange that

1703
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: they had for five minutes over the first round, added

1704
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: with the failed attempts of Yan to bring down Alex

1705
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 1: in the second round, ultimately gashed jan Out. Yan had

1706
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: the right game plan. In fact, he was so deliberate

1707
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: off the opening bell he shot in for a takedown

1708
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: in that one takedown was the whole first round. But Luke,

1709
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: even with Pereira carrying Yan's weight on him in the

1710
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: first round, dude, he was the fresher fighter late, which

1711
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: is why I thought he woned. I thought it was

1712
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: a smart survive in advance win against a guy in

1713
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: Yan who was there to survive in advance and not

1714
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: really mix it up. I'm happy with that. My only

1715
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: question here is did you think he deserved to win?

1716
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: And what the hell's the future of this division look like?

1717
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: What are we actually doing here, Luke, Because as we

1718
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:42,000
Speaker 1: were recording this, we do have breaking news in Abu Dhabi,

1719
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 1: Mago Medek Elaiyev will be taking on Johnny Walker. So

1720
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: we're getting some answers for the larger picture. Where do

1721
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 1: you stand after this performance?

1722
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: So let me tell you how I scored it. I

1723
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 2: don't understand the controversy on this one really at all.

1724
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest. So first round, clearly to you,

1725
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 2: Blhovich right, easy to score, no problem. Second round, I agree,

1726
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: is a little bit more difficult because there was a

1727
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: lot of positional grappling that they ended up doing. But

1728
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: to me, it's just and then you know me, man,

1729
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 2: I'm one of these guys who think the judges in

1730
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 2: the criteria have over corrected against positional grappling. And even

1731
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: I can say I just didn't see enough. To me,

1732
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 2: Belhovich is starting to look his age, which you know,

1733
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 2: we know that the guys at lightheavyweight can go a

1734
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 2: little longer than you know you could at one thirty five.

1735
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 2: But nevertheless that and you're like, oh, it was the altitude, right,

1736
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 2: But it's the altitude plus the age, like you know

1737
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,839
Speaker 2: you should be all those factors can combine for a performance.

1738
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 2: We were fatiguing relatively early and Daniel Cormier I thought

1739
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,719
Speaker 2: was right, which was that like this is not naturally

1740
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: how he fights, like shot right out the gate, let's

1741
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 2: go grappling, That's not usually what he does. He kind

1742
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 2: of crescendos anyway, So first round easy for him. Second round,

1743
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 2: I thought, once the grappling had stopped. There wasn't a

1744
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 2: whole lot to it, and on the feet, Patta was

1745
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 2: clearly landing the heavier strikes and then you saw that

1746
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 2: in round three as well, and there was a late takedown,

1747
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 2: but he didn't do shit with it. To me, it's like, yeah,

1748
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 2: Padeda easily won the third round, probably won the second.

1749
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,720
Speaker 2: I can understand there's some debate about that, and then

1750
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 2: lost the first. But I just saw it second, third rounds,

1751
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 2: no problem. I didn't really understand why there was a

1752
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 2: whole lot of question. And to answer the question that

1753
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 2: I asked you, which was do I think he can

1754
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 2: win a title? Fuck? Yeah, I think he can win

1755
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 2: a title, absolutely, dude. You're so right. He was much

1756
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: fresher down the stretch. And this was the guy who's

1757
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 2: been in a different weight class this whole time, and

1758
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 2: this was his first one up in MMA and all

1759
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Like he I was really wondering

1760
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: how he was gonna look. He looked great. And by

1761
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: the way, this is the other part of it too,

1762
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 2: so calm, So Calm didn't panic when his back got taken,

1763
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 2: didn't make stupid decisions. Obviously, there's a skill deficit, but

1764
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 2: he didn't compound his problems by, you know, trying to

1765
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 2: spaz out of shit, like he was calmly thinking waiting,

1766
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 2: I'll get my turn, It'll be okay, And sure enough

1767
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 2: he did. He knows if this goes on just enough,

1768
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 2: feed on the time on the feet, I'm gonna win,

1769
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 2: even against a guy like Blowe. And he was right.

1770
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: He was absolutely right, and he was giving the guy

1771
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 2: business up until that late takedown in the third anyway,

1772
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 2: And so I absolutely think he can win a title

1773
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 2: enough it's on Colive and then a wrestling you know, obviously,

1774
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to be his best way

1775
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: to win. So what I am saying BC is I

1776
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 2: don't think he's a lock necessarily to win two oh five,

1777
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 2: but I think it should be him versus the winner

1778
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 2: of on Calive and Walker. I can't imagine who else

1779
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 2: it would be. I know Year he's coming back, but

1780
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 2: we haven't heard of it. He's not booked for anything.

1781
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: Well because year he gave up the title without losing it,

1782
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: and because Jamal Hill shared that Dana promised him a

1783
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: title shot as soon as he's healthy. I feel like

1784
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: the lack of announcement on here and now finding out

1785
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,799
Speaker 1: that Uncle Iav is fighting Johnny Walker. My personal opinion

1786
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: is that they're waiting for a year to come back

1787
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: and he'll get the immediate shot. And on paper, Luke,

1788
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 1: that's an absolute banger, so everybody would understand it. But

1789
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: the whole idea is if it is now, did Poeton

1790
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: in his first fight against a defending chance you know

1791
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: again sorry, a former champion at two five? Did he

1792
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: teach us that he's a thread here? Yes? Because think

1793
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: about it. Blohovich completely targeted the gaping hole in Podata's

1794
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: game and he filled that hole, not perfectly, but filled

1795
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: it enough through his work with Glover. It is remarkable

1796
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: what Alex Padata is doing in such short time, transitioning

1797
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: from kickboxing to MMA now in a second division. But

1798
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: there's a major curveball here, Luke that I want to

1799
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: bring up. Even though I think it's likely that Padata

1800
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 1: fights for the title next, I prefer I think it's

1801
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: more likely per Hotska than the winner of Johnny Walker

1802
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: and Akliav. Did you hear what Poeton said at the

1803
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: postfight press conference? They asked about Izzy and they said,

1804
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:40,440
Speaker 1: do you believe if you capture the light heavyweight championship,

1805
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 1: that Izzy would follow you to two five, and we

1806
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: can do a MMA trilogy there for the title. That's

1807
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: the scenario I've been bringing up for weeks. Pooton said, no,

1808
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,719
Speaker 1: I want that fight at one eighty five. I'm willing

1809
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: to go back down and wait. And the reasoning, he said,

1810
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: is because they already have two fights at middleweight in

1811
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: MMA and it's split, so that rivalry can only be

1812
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: settled at middleway. Luke Thomas, your thoughts on that curveball.

1813
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 2: Fuck all that. I'm interested two o five, two o five.

1814
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 2: He Here's the thing, dude, I don't know. I know

1815
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 2: why everyone says this. That's the same reason like Connor

1816
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: wanted the Nate rematch at one seventy because the first

1817
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 2: one was short notice and they had it was opponent

1818
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 2: change and blah. But we all know the story, so

1819
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,759
Speaker 2: they had to do it at one seventy. The whole

1820
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 2: you know, salad not steak bit and or a steak

1821
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: not salad, but either way, based on what he looked

1822
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: like this time and at altitude, and given his age,

1823
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 2: so Patta is currently thirty six, right, given all those factors,

1824
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 2: I have no interest seeing him back at one eighty five. Personally,

1825
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 2: that's just me talking. I know he's got his own worldview.

1826
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 2: You may have a different view as well.

1827
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: Sick of Hardway cut after the Spence fight, I'm sick

1828
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: of Hardway exactly.

1829
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, yes, I'm in complete agreement. I don't

1830
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 2: want to see these guys fuck themselves over just to

1831
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 2: like prove a point. No, no, put yourselves in the

1832
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 2: best position to do what you do. Great, and he

1833
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: is great, make no mistake about it. Is he too,

1834
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 2: obviously as a champion. Uh, but do it in a

1835
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 2: place where it's new, it's fresh, it's different, it's better

1836
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 2: in many ways. Probably. I don't know what kind of

1837
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: fight you're gonna get. It always depends. But he looked

1838
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: this to me was convincing enough to believe. Not that

1839
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 2: he is the best two of fiver in the game

1840
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 2: right now. I don't know that he could be, but

1841
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 2: I don't know that, But I do know that on

1842
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 2: the right night, I think he can beat any of

1843
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 2: these other two fivers in that division. That part I

1844
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 2: am pretty confident about. And so for that reason, let's

1845
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 2: have him stay here, spend your time here, do this

1846
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 2: and let's see what happens from there. By the way,

1847
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 2: bec I just want to point this out. This is

1848
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: this fucking guy's UFC run in his well was it

1849
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 2: fourth fight ever, whatever it was. He fights Andreas Mikhalid's

1850
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:48,959
Speaker 2: stops him in round two, beats Bruno Silva, beats Sean Strickland.

1851
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: So three fights in he gets the title shot, and

1852
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 2: then the fourth fight he becomes champion, loses in his

1853
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 2: fifth and his sixth fight basically wins a number one

1854
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 2: contender fight. This dude in like seven maybe eight UFC

1855
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 2: fight is going to have potentially two titles. That's like

1856
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 2: couteur shit, and like you know, after he retired and

1857
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 2: came back or whatever, like a crazy, crazy space.

1858
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: Not only is Poeton insanely special, and you brought up

1859
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: that calmness, same thing I was just talking about with

1860
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: Terrence Crawford. We got to give a lot of credit

1861
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: to Glover and what he's building there in Connectal is

1862
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 1: a man like I know it takes. You need world

1863
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: class fighters. He does have some good fighters in there.

1864
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: Wellington tournament. Now he's got what's left of Dominic rays.

1865
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: Hopefully they can turn that around. But like the Glover effect,

1866
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: on Padata's transition has been monumental. You actually you watched

1867
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: it in this fight against Yon, you could actually see

1868
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 1: that effect play out. Luke, if if this man Poeton

1869
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: can fix this wrestling hole, and granted, if he fights

1870
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 1: Prohotzka for the two five belt, wrestling won't be an issue.

1871
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: But if he has really fixed that hole with that

1872
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: with that counter striking, with that left hook, dude, he

1873
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 1: can beat anybody, especially with this division being wide open. Dude,

1874
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 1: he can beat anybody in this division. Now again, I

1875
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 1: don't think i'd favor him against Prohotsko or definitely not

1876
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: on Colia, but he's a major factor. And this is

1877
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: a hell of a story, this whole career and what

1878
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 1: he's done in short time turned around. I give him

1879
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:08,680
Speaker 1: a lot of credit, so much better.

1880
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 2: No doubt about it, No doubt about it, all right,

1881
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 2: Topic number four B. See, we stayed with UFC two

1882
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 2: ninety one, but I'm going to ask the question as follows.

1883
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 2: And there's a couple of these names I know you're

1884
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 2: going to bring up, but I'm just gonna ask the

1885
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 2: question as it stands. Give me somebody else, for reasons

1886
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 2: good or bad, who stood out at UFC two ninety one, which,

1887
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 2: by the way, as an overall card, great card.

1888
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 1: It really was. It lived up to expectations. I went

1889
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 1: ham on Derek Lewis Luke in terms of the job

1890
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: saving performance in so many ways, But I want to

1891
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: bring up Kevin Holland and Luke. That was such a

1892
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: great performance against Michael Kissa, and even though Holland talked

1893
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 1: afterwards about hey, guys, I only came down to one

1894
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: seventy where he's now four and two overall because I

1895
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: was chasing the BMF. I'd rather go up to eighty five.

1896
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: I argued on the post fight show Luke that if

1897
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: his goal now with a full time wrestling coach for

1898
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: the first time, is to completely round out that side

1899
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: of him, and maybe going back up to middleway gives

1900
01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: them more guest tank for that than I'm not against it.

1901
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: But with Kisa coming off the long layoff and right

1902
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: away trying to use that perceived advantage on the ground,

1903
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: the takedown defense of Holland was fantastic. He dominated the

1904
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 1: striking when they had it there, and then for him

1905
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,040
Speaker 1: to submit a guy who's known for being great on

1906
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: the ground, and I know that this exact submission. The

1907
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: dars Kis has been got twice already in the UFC

1908
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,560
Speaker 1: with that include once by mos of it all like

1909
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: a decade ago. This was a man performance. This was

1910
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: the performance we've been waiting for. I don't like that

1911
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 1: I called Kevin Holland the new cowboy. I don't want

1912
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 1: him to be that wild card journeyman who will fight

1913
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: anybody on any day and maybe if you roll the

1914
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 1: dice on the right day, he could beat you. He's

1915
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 1: too talented at age thirty not to figure it out.

1916
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 1: Him going out of his way to hire a full

1917
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: time wrestling coach, to spend the money to make a

1918
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: big time camp. This is the payoff, dude. He's absolutely

1919
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 1: a viable contender in two divisions if he stays on

1920
01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: this path and goes down this road. I was very

1921
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 1: happy to see him level up with this performance.

1922
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said that too. It's like, dude,

1923
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 2: Kevin Holland's real good man. He's real good and the

1924
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 2: more he invests in trying to be well rounded, the

1925
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 2: more it's like you can quite obviously see it, not

1926
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 2: just because he is getting more well rounded, but because

1927
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 2: it just all the pieces. It's more than the sum

1928
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 2: of its parts. It all works together in this like

1929
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:21,799
Speaker 2: really elevating way, and you're like, wow, dude, Kevin Holland

1930
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: can really do some shit. I'm with you completely. I

1931
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 2: don't have any interest, for his own sake, in him

1932
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 2: going back to one eighty five. Certainly not right now

1933
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 2: now at thirty years of age. That's one question. Thirty

1934
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 2: five will be another one, But right now, no, I

1935
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 2: don't have any interest in him going back there. I

1936
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 2: want to see what he can do at one seventy

1937
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. This was fantastic on his part. Presence

1938
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 2: of mind, great skill, great finishing. You know, he always

1939
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 2: has courage under fire. You know, there's a lot to

1940
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 2: like about Kevin Holland's game. And we said it before,

1941
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 2: if he wants to play that Cowboy game, he can

1942
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 2: play it. I think he'll overall diminish what he could do,

1943
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 2: but it's his choice to make. I just hope he

1944
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:00,879
Speaker 2: reflects on what he's like. Dude. He's he's got real ability.

1945
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 2: If he really if he wants to be the kind

1946
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 2: of fighter who pushes himself to see just how far

1947
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 2: it could go, I think he can go very far.

1948
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 2: I just don't know what he wants for himself. You

1949
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 2: brought up.

1950
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 1: I want to get to Derek Lewis in a second,

1951
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: but I want you to give the people what they want.

1952
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: Do you know what the people want? They want you

1953
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: to pull your pants down to talk about Gabriel bone

1954
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: Fime and tell us how viable through one UFC fight

1955
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 1: this guy may or may not eventually be to the

1956
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 1: title at Walter.

1957
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 2: Way fantastic guillotine. He got the body lock, take down,

1958
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 2: transition right into what's called leg drag, where their shoulders

1959
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 2: go one way and then their legs go the other,

1960
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 2: so they go opposite directions. It's sort of like there's

1961
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 2: the bodylock, and then he goes into leg drag right

1962
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 2: from there, and then you eventually see his opponent try

1963
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 2: and shoot an underhook, which Bonfim lets him have. And

1964
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 2: then in transition before he can never get anything established,

1965
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 2: he sits the guillotine, and then, of course, the best

1966
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 2: way to see what an army in guillotine is working

1967
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 2: is when the arm choking buries the elbow below the

1968
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,759
Speaker 2: line of sight, which is exactly what you saw. They're fantastic. Listen,

1969
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 2: the UFC is deep, especially in some of the latter divisions.

1970
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 2: So I don't know how far he can go, but

1971
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 2: I can tell you in terms of Brazilian any prospect

1972
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 2: but certainly Brazilian prospects. Yes, this is a gentleman you

1973
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 2: would be very wise to keep your eye on. He

1974
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 2: can do a lot of different things. He is battle tested,

1975
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 2: even though he's relatively new to the UFC. Plenty of skill,

1976
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 2: plenty of striking ability, and as you saw there, plenty

1977
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 2: of well rounded ability on top of it. You make

1978
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 2: a mistake with him early, those bomb Fien brothers are

1979
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 2: going to make you pay him in particular.

1980
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: But okay, so we're not. I'm not gonna, you know,

1981
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 1: put the stamp on him. But I did get chimaiavan

1982
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,960
Speaker 1: Bownickel feel's. I did get that feeling, that something there.

1983
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm not quite there yet. I'm not quite there yet.

1984
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 2: I can't. So I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just

1985
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 2: saying I haven't been moved to that part yet. But

1986
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,879
Speaker 2: what you know, if you're if you're in UFC fights

1987
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,959
Speaker 2: doing the kinds of like I mean, when that opponent

1988
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 2: shot the underhook and move to turn up Bonfiem already

1989
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 2: knew what he was gonna do. He already knew, like

1990
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 2: the decision making was automatic. That's what you want to

1991
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 2: see from these guys. You want to see that they've

1992
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:14,480
Speaker 2: got their their blueprint for their offense, not just memorized,

1993
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 2: but muscle memorized, like it's just part of who they are.

1994
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 2: And he had that. That's like a great sign for

1995
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 2: his future. But dude, you know there's a ways to go,

1996
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 2: so we'll see. Okay, let's talk about Derek Lewis. First

1997
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 2: of all, what a fucking guy shows up on Friday

1998
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 2: with abs number one? Can you believe it? Right? Shows

1999
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 2: up with abs just the best? Then does the bell

2000
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 2: rings comes out? You can see it here, jumping switch knee,

2001
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:43,880
Speaker 2: the whole bit. De lima poor bastard goes flying backwards.

2002
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 2: And then I mean, dude, listen, let me ask you

2003
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 2: a question. B see, and I'm being dead serious. I'm

2004
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 2: gonna give you a billion dollars no matter what, would

2005
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,799
Speaker 2: you rather be knocked out on the feet or ground

2006
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 2: and pounded by Derek Lewis? Give me getting knocked out

2007
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 2: on the feet ten times out of what a fucking

2008
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:03,479
Speaker 2: terrifying process to be underneath him.

2009
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 1: So this is what happens when he takes his profession

2010
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: super seriously and gets into great shape. Now, look, I

2011
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: always feel like he's better than this level of heavyweight. No, no,

2012
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, no meant disrespected Delima, who had won What

2013
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 1: did he win coming in? Luke? He was on a

2014
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 1: nice streak four or five coming in, but it was

2015
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 1: against it was against that second and third tier. The

2016
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: reality is that Derek Lewis should have done this under

2017
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:32,680
Speaker 1: any circumstance. But I have been honest in saying that

2018
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 1: I felt like he has self imploded a lot. And

2019
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: when you add that to not being in an elite shape,

2020
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 1: I think injuries come. Look, he had a reason to

2021
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:44,800
Speaker 1: do this, and that was to save his job, and

2022
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:47,280
Speaker 1: we didn't necessarily know that he was in the last

2023
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: fight of his contract until announce that afterwards. But he

2024
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: also said in the postfight press conference, like when they

2025
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 1: asked him, they're like, okay, so you're gonna have abs

2026
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: every fight now, and he's like, yeah, I don't know.

2027
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: That was not a great signific even though he jokes

2028
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 1: a lot. And number two, he also said, yeah, I'm

2029
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: not looking to become a free agent. I really like

2030
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 1: the UFC, I really like it here. I really like Nabby.

2031
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I love Nabby too. She's a fantastic

2032
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 1: pr help and a great lady. But there is this

2033
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:18,440
Speaker 1: other thing going on, and that's Francis to the PFL

2034
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:22,479
Speaker 1: and pay per view and a lot of millions. Is

2035
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis like holding his cards back or does he

2036
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: not realize the moment here? Because what he did was

2037
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 1: save his job and show us that if he wants to,

2038
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 1: even at thirty eight, he can still be an attraction

2039
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: and a dangerous as shit out for any heavyweight in

2040
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: the world. That is still true. He reminded us of that. Okay,

2041
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: the other losses, I feel like he wasn't taken seriously.

2042
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 1: He got caught, He was in bad shape, he imploded

2043
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: all of that together.

2044
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 2: He fought good guys too. He fought good guys.

2045
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:53,080
Speaker 1: Dude. He may have a chance to make more money

2046
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: in one night in the PFL against Francis on pay

2047
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: per view, in a rematch of one of the worst

2048
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,600
Speaker 1: fights in my history, than he has made in his

2049
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 1: entire career.

2050
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 2: Now.

2051
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't expect him at a UFC press conference to

2052
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,719
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, call me Don Davis, let's find out.

2053
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 1: But he should have around and find out. Right.

2054
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 2: So here's what you have to weigh. If you're Derek Lewis,

2055
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 2: I think you have a choice. You can stay with UFC.

2056
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 2: You probably will get a bump and pay. By the way,

2057
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 2: remember like huge, the UFC is gonna and they probably

2058
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 2: have matching rights and everything else. Like this idea that

2059
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 2: he's just gonna walk even though he just fought one time,

2060
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 2: like it's automatic, is not automatic. Although I don't know

2061
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 2: exactly what's in his contract, he might be able to

2062
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 2: a little bit more easily than some. But you know,

2063
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 2: my guess is if you're the UFC, you don't want

2064
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 2: to give any oxygen to Francis at all. So they're

2065
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 2: gonna give him a bump and pay. That's the first

2066
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,080
Speaker 2: thing I think is gonna happen. You're like, well, maybe

2067
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 2: I'm not getting everything I will get at PFL, but

2068
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm still with UFC. I get a lot more money.

2069
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:46,880
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good, right, And he's also made you know,

2070
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 2: given where he was in life formerly in prison, he's

2071
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,600
Speaker 2: done pretty well for himself. Here's the other thing you

2072
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 2: have to consider. BC. If you leave UFC and you

2073
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 2: go and fight Francis, you might make two million, maybe

2074
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 2: in the end closer to three. You know, something like that.

2075
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 1: Oh so this is Gano Fury money, is what you're saying.

2076
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 2: It's not that, it's not It's definitely not in Ghanu

2077
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 2: Fury money. And more to the point, the UFC might

2078
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 2: blackball you. You just have you have to, like at

2079
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 2: least consider that they're not going to let you go

2080
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 2: get a bunch of money and then come back. Now

2081
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:19,439
Speaker 2: you might say, well, bj Penn left for K one

2082
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:22,040
Speaker 2: and they invited him back. That's true. Or Randy Katour

2083
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 2: left and then he came back and then that's true.

2084
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys who did that. It's different

2085
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 2: previous eras, but it's an era when they were they

2086
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 2: needed as much of that star talent as possible and

2087
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 2: Penn champion, Kator champion, different ballgame. My point being is

2088
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 2: if you're Derek Lewis and you go and take that

2089
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 2: check with Francis, it might be the last big check

2090
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 2: you ever get in the business. And so I don't

2091
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 2: know if he wants that. Rather than saying I like

2092
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 2: to take my chances with a smoother path for a

2093
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,560
Speaker 2: longer time with UFC.

2094
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:56,519
Speaker 1: That's true. It's just weird for him to come out

2095
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,559
Speaker 1: and almost be like, yeah, I'm resigning. I love these people.

2096
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's great, But you're right. He will make

2097
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 1: Actually he will make more money over the long haul

2098
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 1: if he resigns with UFC gets another four or five fights.

2099
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 2: He could, so he could.

2100
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Here's the key question at thirty eight do you believe

2101
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: he will get in this level of shape again on

2102
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 1: a consistent basis? And two if he does, he said

2103
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 1: it when they asked him. John Morgan I believe asked

2104
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 1: him afterwards like, are you eyeing another title run? And

2105
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 1: he said, yes, is that possible?

2106
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, Yes, yes, based on what I saw here, Yes,

2107
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 2: yes it is. And also I loved his game plan, like, yo, bro,

2108
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 2: we're heavyweights. I'm not gonna fucking jab you for fifteen minutes,

2109
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 2: Like no, We're just gonna get this over with, Like

2110
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:41,599
Speaker 2: and he wasn't afraid of contact either, you know, Like

2111
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 2: there was lots alike about that from Terrek lewis not

2112
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 2: just the you know, the gimmick side where he takes

2113
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 2: his pants off and does you know him and Johnny

2114
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 2: Walker boy, they just can't stop gyrating their hips, but

2115
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 2: the professionalism side too, good game plan, they were in

2116
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 2: good shape, you know, and he was terear. He did

2117
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 2: really great Derek Lewis things. Yes, I absolutely believe he

2118
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 2: could do that again. For sure. This is what he's

2119
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 2: up against, this big money with Francis and then maybe

2120
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:12,040
Speaker 2: ostracism or less money but more stability.

2121
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, because you would cynically say, why would

2122
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: the UFC allow him to fight out his contract if

2123
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 1: he's one of the rare viable potential opponents for Francis

2124
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 1: that people might buy. Even though the first fight sucked.

2125
01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 1: I think people realize that Derek had a really bad back.

2126
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: Francis was kind of all messed up mentally and in

2127
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:32,280
Speaker 1: a fight with the UFC during that time, and kind

2128
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: of was in like that, well, should I go out

2129
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 1: there and just pour myself out again or should I

2130
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 1: try to be more calculated than it? Messed up? It

2131
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 1: was a horrible night, but I don't think that would

2132
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 1: hold back the rematch. But do you believe the UFC

2133
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,360
Speaker 1: allowed him to do that because he was on a

2134
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: five fight losing skin and this would have been, you know,

2135
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: disastrous if he went out there and lost again, that

2136
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have mattered. If he did, they could just

2137
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 1: cut him and you can't bring that fight with Francis.

2138
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,920
Speaker 2: They put him on the prelims for a reason, you

2139
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 2: know what I mean. They put him on the prelims

2140
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:03,440
Speaker 2: for a reason. They were or you know, hedging.

2141
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:07,120
Speaker 1: Car that was car. No, it ended up getting the

2142
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 1: pay per view, but because wonder Boy got wonder Boy.

2143
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 2: I apologize because of the wonder boy one got pulled. Okay,

2144
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 2: so let me take that back. Immediately did wrong. They

2145
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 2: had initially scheduled him to be on the prelims, and

2146
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,320
Speaker 2: I think that is them kind of like signaling where

2147
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 2: they had thought that this process might go through all

2148
01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,840
Speaker 2: of this, so they're saying future prelim. Fair enough, fair enough,

2149
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 2: it was the main event of the prelims. But nevertheless,

2150
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 2: the prelims just the same. So I don't know what

2151
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 2: he's gonna do. But everyone being like, oh, he can

2152
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 2: just go fight Francis. Yes, he probably could. He probably could,

2153
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 2: but as the economists will tell you, there is no

2154
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:43,200
Speaker 2: such thing as a free lunch. So we'll see what

2155
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 2: kind of baggage ultimately comes with that. BC. Also, before

2156
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 2: we move on to the rest of the stuff that happened,

2157
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 2: in MMA Action over the weekend. What do you want

2158
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 2: to say about Tony ferguson BC Now afterwards he says

2159
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 2: he's not going to retire despite six in a row,

2160
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:59,000
Speaker 2: being finished in four of them, and then on top

2161
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 2: of it BC, he says, well, I got poked in

2162
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 2: the eye. Now here's my view. You tell me where

2163
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:06,680
Speaker 2: you're at. But my view is I am not in

2164
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 2: any way going to declare that the poke di didn't

2165
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 2: make a difference, or or that it didn't impact his

2166
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:14,640
Speaker 2: ability to fight to his best. That's really not what

2167
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 2: I'm saying at all. Rather, even if it hadn't happened,

2168
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 2: I still don't think he wins. Where are you?

2169
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:23,640
Speaker 1: I got a lot of flak for this from my

2170
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 1: take on Saturday. Now, this was a one thirty am take, Luke,

2171
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:28,679
Speaker 1: after I got up at five point thirty to drive

2172
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 1: my kids home from camp, and that was eight straight

2173
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 1: hours of driving. And I'm just a gross piece of

2174
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 1: crap by the time I turned into a pumpkin. But

2175
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:38,640
Speaker 1: I expected the absolute worst. Now by the way, I

2176
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 1: scored an okay bet win with him get it with

2177
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: him passing out with seconds to go in this fight.

2178
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 1: So there was there some solace there for me. But

2179
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:51,000
Speaker 1: I expected this to be disastrous. It wasn't. I feel

2180
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 1: like whatever Tony went did to get back to the

2181
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 1: drawing board and try to just rebuild, rejuvenate, it almost

2182
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 1: won me over. Like he came out with a good

2183
01:41:00,080 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 1: game plan. Now, I'm granted this is a better idea

2184
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,679
Speaker 1: of matchmaking to the level he's actually at than most

2185
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: of his recent fights, but he was in this fight.

2186
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: He fought well, and I know he got finished again,

2187
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: and I know this is six in a row, but

2188
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 1: I actually exited this going you know what, I'm not

2189
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 1: trying to run him out of the door to save

2190
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 1: his life, like really, yeah, and people hate me.

2191
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:25,640
Speaker 2: I have to run him out of the door to

2192
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 2: save his life.

2193
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 1: Well, in general, yes, but in the shortest of short terms,

2194
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 1: I feel like he still showed resistance in there. He

2195
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 1: still showed differently, He was tough, He had a good

2196
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: first round before the ipoke. Luke. If it's if he

2197
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: wants to live in this world that like Matt Brown

2198
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:46,679
Speaker 1: and and and Jim Miller live in where it's clear

2199
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 1: that they are past their prime, But could they play

2200
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: the role if they are willing to of kind of

2201
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:59,040
Speaker 1: elite name gatekeeper. There's still something in that tank, Luke,

2202
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 1: he's showed us again six and I mean, who can

2203
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: survive sex?

2204
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're looking at, bro. I mean again,

2205
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:07,840
Speaker 2: I want to be clear. I want to be clear.

2206
01:42:08,120 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 2: I expected the worst.

2207
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 1: I expected the worst. He was not bad.

2208
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 2: Came in. Listen, he definitely came in with more fighting spirit.

2209
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 2: And I think that's what you picked up on and

2210
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 2: I agree to say.

2211
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 1: He had beforehand. Is that what you're saying.

2212
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:25,200
Speaker 2: I forgot that that was part of the thing. I

2213
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 2: didn't mean to take it, and that's such a hamhad

2214
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 2: handed way. But listen, be let me tell you where

2215
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 2: I'm at again. I want to be clear that that

2216
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 2: that ipoke could not have been easy. And you know,

2217
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 2: Tony is gonna make injuries look like not injuries because

2218
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 2: he's so fucking tough, right, But I'm sure it was bad.

2219
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:43,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was bad. But like, let me, let

2220
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 2: me give you an example. On the ground, right, you

2221
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 2: had Bobby Green on his knees with the upright torso

2222
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:55,679
Speaker 2: kind of like hitting him with these hammer fisted ground

2223
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 2: of pounds. Dude, if someone's doing that, you got to

2224
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:00,320
Speaker 2: go control their posture. You got to you got to

2225
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,679
Speaker 2: like underhook both sides, attach yourself to them. You gotta

2226
01:43:03,680 --> 01:43:05,799
Speaker 2: grab a wrist, you gotta overhook, you got it into something.

2227
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 2: And like he wasn't even making grips and you don't

2228
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 2: have to have great vision to make grips. You kind

2229
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 2: of have to just sit up and then begin to

2230
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,479
Speaker 2: fight a little bit. Again, easier said than done, I understand,

2231
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:18,640
Speaker 2: But like he didn't do that, And this went on

2232
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,280
Speaker 2: in different ways, Like he was shot for like an

2233
01:43:20,360 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 2: Minari role and like with the worst setup ever and

2234
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 2: it ended up completely backfiring and he was never he

2235
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 2: was able to regard a little bit. But like that

2236
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 2: was it my.

2237
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 1: Superman's cape here, But you're expecting jiu jitsu reactions out

2238
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 1: of a spingeit sue Master here.

2239
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 2: Luke, Yeah, maybe so, maybe so. But what I did

2240
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:41,599
Speaker 2: want to say was those aren't reactions that are Again,

2241
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure getting poked in the eye is going to

2242
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:45,240
Speaker 2: be distracting and make all of that more difficult to

2243
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:46,920
Speaker 2: do the natural things that you would want to do.

2244
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 2: But at the same time, dude, it looked to me

2245
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:52,799
Speaker 2: like like his body just isn't cooperating with his mind anymore.

2246
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:56,680
Speaker 2: That he had a style of grappling, for example, that

2247
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 2: relied on a few different things being in place, and

2248
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 2: all of the beatings he's taken, and then the beating

2249
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:03,639
Speaker 2: he took in this fight, or at least the damage anyway,

2250
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 2: I should say, is a better way to put it. Ultimately,

2251
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 2: his body won't respond the way it has to to

2252
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 2: make that style work. So while I can grant that

2253
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:15,960
Speaker 2: he came in there with a real competitive spirit that

2254
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:18,679
Speaker 2: I respect, and you know, and who doesn't love Tony Ferguson,

2255
01:44:19,080 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 2: My god, everyone loves Tony Ferguson. But if your body's

2256
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 2: not cooperating in the way that your mind needs it to,

2257
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:27,600
Speaker 2: or I should say, everybody's not cooperate the way it

2258
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 2: needs it to and not in conjunction with your mind, Dude,

2259
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna get fucking hurt out there. You're gonna get

2260
01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 2: hurt out there bad. Tell me who you think he

2261
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 2: can reliably beat on this roster at one p. Fifty five.

2262
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:44,599
Speaker 1: At this point, reliably is an interesting offering of a word.

2263
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can compete with that, but

2264
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 1: I will say he can fight other old names, and

2265
01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:50,680
Speaker 1: he can fight guys on the way up if he

2266
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:53,880
Speaker 1: wanted to, but he has lost six in a row,

2267
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 1: so there is a point of no return. Are we there?

2268
01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:00,080
Speaker 1: It'd be safer for him if we were. But I

2269
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 1: can't lie. I gotta tell you my my real white

2270
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 1: belt feelings, Luke. I felt like he showed us that

2271
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 1: he's not necessarily done, Like he forced Bobby Green to

2272
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:10,759
Speaker 1: fight a really smart game plan, which is just moved

2273
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: behind that jab. Now the jab was popping, and Tony's

2274
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:18,560
Speaker 1: defense was Rocky Balboa alike to that job. But I

2275
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 1: don't know, Luke. Maybe I'm you know, I'm also crazy too,

2276
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 1: So I just I felt like I was being so

2277
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:27,160
Speaker 1: overly careful and protective and harsh against Tony because I

2278
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 1: didn't want to see another absolute beat down of him

2279
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 1: just taking punishment. And he had life, He had life, Luke.

2280
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 2: But where's also Jake Matthews getting back? I should say,

2281
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 2: staying in the win column your no shmitic a great

2282
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 2: win for him over Matthew Semmelsberger and then Miranda Maverick.

2283
01:45:46,240 --> 01:45:47,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, thought, Lukey.

2284
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, last but not least be see last

2285
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:52,880
Speaker 2: but not least for topic number five. We do have

2286
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 2: a few other bits from the MMA universe to talk

2287
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:59,680
Speaker 2: about very quickly, including Beltore versus Rise in two. So

2288
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where you want to go from this.

2289
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:04,040
Speaker 2: What you think the key takeaway is probably going to

2290
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:06,639
Speaker 2: be Patricky pit Bull scoring a TKO victory over Verto

2291
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 2: Satoshi basically via a blake kick or calf kick in

2292
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 2: the third round, drills him, he can't take it anymore,

2293
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 2: he falls, They wave it off, but Satoshi was coming

2294
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 2: in on late notice, so it's a nice win for

2295
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:19,519
Speaker 2: pit Bull. Definitely one of the better names. I feel like,

2296
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,240
Speaker 2: I just don't know how much you can learn about it.

2297
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 1: You know, no, not a ton but he did what

2298
01:46:23,120 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 1: he had to do. Remember he had lost the title

2299
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:27,360
Speaker 1: in dominant fashion and in Armaga made off. Then we start

2300
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 1: this tournament. A J mckey's Out of the Tournament DESUSA

2301
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 1: came in, which was good, but I thought it was

2302
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 1: a nice survive in advance. Excuse me for that mid

2303
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 1: belch for Patricky. The surprising part was Patricio Luke when

2304
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 1: they got rid of the beltal cage and then brought

2305
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:46,120
Speaker 1: in the ring and dude, they're calling this that. I

2306
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 1: saw some people on social media calling this the biggest,

2307
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 1: biggest upset in rise in history. That can't be true, right.

2308
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 1: What's the guy's name, Chihiro Suzuki. They fought at a

2309
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,599
Speaker 1: catchwaight here of one fifty four? Dude, he came in,

2310
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 1: brought war to pit Bull and stopped him. Patricio's two losses.

2311
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:01,040
Speaker 3: In a row.

2312
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:03,400
Speaker 2: Who would have thought, Yeah, you know, here's the thing

2313
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 2: for folks who don't realize he's over thirty five now

2314
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 2: again and we're talking to a guy at you know,

2315
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 2: one thirty five or fifty five, whatever you want to

2316
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 2: even say. At this point, he's kind of all over

2317
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:16,120
Speaker 2: the place. But came in on short notice about a week.

2318
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 2: He didn't look he didn't look like, he didn't look

2319
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:23,879
Speaker 2: this what do you want to say? Vulnerable against Pettis.

2320
01:47:23,880 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 2: But Pettis isn't this kind of puncher anyway, and the

2321
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 2: short notice plus the age, you know, he's kind of

2322
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 2: getting here hooking with a hooker.

2323
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:31,759
Speaker 1: It's wild.

2324
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:34,080
Speaker 2: Oh what a shot that is. Yeah, I mean his

2325
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 2: defense was terrible in this fight. It was absolutely terrible,

2326
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 2: and he paid for it, you know. So to me,

2327
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:42,240
Speaker 2: it's like the decline of Patricio is upon us.

2328
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna get to the to the Sabatllo fight

2329
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 1: and have you seen this shit? But here's the unfortunate reality, Luke.

2330
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:53,360
Speaker 1: I like that Belator opened up a flyweight division. They

2331
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 1: have Kyogi Horragucci. They did the inaugural title fight with

2332
01:47:57,479 --> 01:48:03,600
Speaker 1: Makoto Takahashi and twenty five seconds in. It wasn't a

2333
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: kick to the stick like we normally see in Bellator

2334
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 1: that ruined good fights, Luke, it was an eye poke

2335
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 1: like beltware couldn't get out of its own way. I

2336
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:13,679
Speaker 1: feel bad. This should have been something he gets.

2337
01:48:13,720 --> 01:48:16,760
Speaker 2: I poked right from the word go, basically, and the

2338
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 2: whole shit is off.

2339
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 1: And altogether this was actually a fun card. I know it.

2340
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 1: It was really rough competing against UFC two ninety one

2341
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 1: and Spence Crawford, but like, this was actually a fun

2342
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 1: card with big finishes. One Archiletta wins the inaugural Rising

2343
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm not inaugural, the vacant rise in banaway championship title. Yeah, yeah,

2344
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,720
Speaker 1: the same one that Horror Gucci formerly had. So this

2345
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 1: was a cool, interesting card. Rough to see that for

2346
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 1: Horror Gucci. The instant eyepoke. Damn.

2347
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no denying that. But what are you gonna say?

2348
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 2: What are you gonna say, I mean.

2349
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:54,320
Speaker 1: How many trees do you think Archiletta is gonna smoke

2350
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 1: on his family's property there in California.

2351
01:48:56,400 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 2: After this victory enough to send you know, air pollutant

2352
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 2: wild You know how those wildfires in Canada were like

2353
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 2: fucking up New York City and Detroit. Even here, it'll

2354
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 2: be like that. It's like all the neighboring towns in California.

2355
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:10,759
Speaker 2: You're just gonna get weather advisories by virtue of the clouds.

2356
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: We never talk about that. Archieletta comes out to that

2357
01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 1: song Mary Jane that was in Half Baked Mary j

2358
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:21,479
Speaker 1: that's his walkout song. Dude, that's his walkout song. That's

2359
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 1: so freaking cool man.

2360
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, Belta Versus Rising two went very much

2361
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 2: under the radar. But and it's terrible that Pitbull lost,

2362
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:31,640
Speaker 2: but Patricky moves on again. We kind of said it

2363
01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 2: on Friday last thing that the only thing that really

2364
01:49:33,360 --> 01:49:35,639
Speaker 2: hurts for me is not that Patricky is moving on

2365
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 2: and that's like bad, it's fine. The loss of aj

2366
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 2: McKee that is a that is a fuck.

2367
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 1: Let's address this. So we didn't even address this when

2368
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,760
Speaker 1: we announced it like late last week this kills what

2369
01:49:48,920 --> 01:49:51,519
Speaker 1: this tournament I believe was created for the potential of

2370
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:55,839
Speaker 1: an AJ McKee who Sponderta made off. Finally, the million

2371
01:49:56,360 --> 01:49:59,800
Speaker 1: for the lightweight title, new division for AJ I had

2372
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 1: been I'm saying for a year that the hard core

2373
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:06,640
Speaker 1: MMA fan inside of me, if he's in there, Oh

2374
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:09,160
Speaker 1: he's still there. Hook, he's there. That guy wanted that

2375
01:50:09,200 --> 01:50:12,280
Speaker 1: fight more than more than you know globally. That's one

2376
01:50:12,280 --> 01:50:13,800
Speaker 1: of the fights I wanted the most. I think that's

2377
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 1: the best belatur fight you can make. And yeah, we

2378
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 1: don't get it now, not under this Sorry, maybe we

2379
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:19,599
Speaker 1: get it later.

2380
01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 2: We still might get it. I mean, it could be

2381
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:23,720
Speaker 2: the whole thing that they just you know, there's any

2382
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:25,920
Speaker 2: kind of delay in the tournament and they need an

2383
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,599
Speaker 2: opponent for usman, they can just gift him a title shot.

2384
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:29,839
Speaker 2: You know. It's not like out of the question.

2385
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 1: Or anything, but where we could do it in the

2386
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:31,439
Speaker 1: smart cage.

2387
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:34,080
Speaker 2: Potentially we could do it in this smort They ask

2388
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 2: Jeeves cage is what pfl asked me. They're like, can

2389
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,479
Speaker 2: you please call it the ask Jeeves cage? And I

2390
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 2: was like, yes, yes I can so as a favor

2391
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:42,600
Speaker 2: to them, I'm doing that here on the air. You

2392
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. That's obviously a thing that happened,

2393
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:49,120
Speaker 2: you know. So okay, all right, two hours of analysis

2394
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 2: or about an hour and forty because we rambled for

2395
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 2: a little while. But let's get on to the next

2396
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:54,280
Speaker 2: part of the shows where you guys get to ask

2397
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 2: us questions. It's time for dms for boks the hall.

2398
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:00,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he friggin' hall.

2399
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 2: All right, I don't have them on my screen, so

2400
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 2: just throw them up on the TV there, boys, I'm

2401
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:07,240
Speaker 2: gonna read them off. The old thing all right from

2402
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 2: Jay Jack Haggerty, but it's spelled weird thoughts on Wonder

2403
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 2: Boy not getting his show money? Can I explain this one? BC?

2404
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got to take a whisk. Can you explain it?

2405
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 2: Look? Go ahead please, glad, perfect timing, So let me

2406
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:21,519
Speaker 2: explain to the folks how this works.

2407
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:21,680
Speaker 4: Now.

2408
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 2: I have not seen Wonder Boys existing contract, but over

2409
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:28,320
Speaker 2: the years I have seen many UFC contracts for fighters

2410
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 2: at different levels, some that have pay per viewpoints, some

2411
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 2: that don't. The language I'm about to tell you doesn't

2412
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:36,720
Speaker 2: change no matter what I should say, it doesn't change. Yet,

2413
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:40,000
Speaker 2: it doesn't change at all. So we always talk about

2414
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 2: in the media or the fans or the industry really

2415
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 2: as there's show money and then there's win money. You

2416
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 2: show up, you get money, you win, you get a

2417
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:47,840
Speaker 2: little bit extra. That is not how UFC contracts work.

2418
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 2: They do split it, but that's not how they define it.

2419
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:56,439
Speaker 2: UFC contracts are written as you get a certain purse

2420
01:51:57,479 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 2: for your bout and then if you win, you get

2421
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 2: a win bonus. So they don't have show and win.

2422
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:09,080
Speaker 2: They have purse and bonus. That's how it works with them.

2423
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:12,720
Speaker 2: And the key is again in certain cases, if you win,

2424
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 2: it's automatically triggered that you would get the bonus. But

2425
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:18,000
Speaker 2: the purse the base pay. So let's say it's ten

2426
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:23,760
Speaker 2: to ten, the purse isn't automatically triggered to get for

2427
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:27,720
Speaker 2: you to get paid until about completion. That is what

2428
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 2: the contract stipulates. It stipulates that in order to get

2429
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 2: your purse you have to have bout completion. And he

2430
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,680
Speaker 2: didn't complete his bouts, so therefore contractually he doesn't get it.

2431
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 2: But BC. The real story to me is not that

2432
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 2: the UFC was in keeping with their contractual language. The

2433
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:46,599
Speaker 2: UFC is usually really good about that. They stay in

2434
01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:49,640
Speaker 2: compliance with what the industry demands of them from what

2435
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 2: I have typically seen. Rather, it's this wonder Boy was

2436
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 2: able to say no to Pareta because he can afford to.

2437
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,720
Speaker 2: That's why he has the money sitting at home from

2438
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:04,920
Speaker 2: all of his whatever he does to be able to

2439
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:06,960
Speaker 2: be like this is not worth it for me. I'm

2440
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 2: financially stable. I don't have to And so that's the

2441
01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:12,160
Speaker 2: first part of the story. The second part of the

2442
01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 2: story is why didn't the UFC pay him? Well? They

2443
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 2: obviously could. They made three hundred and eighty seven million

2444
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,280
Speaker 2: in profit last year. They have more than enough money

2445
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 2: to pay him a million times over. It's so they

2446
01:53:21,960 --> 01:53:24,640
Speaker 2: can send a message to the next guy. If you

2447
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:27,800
Speaker 2: don't fight, you're not going to get paid, and the

2448
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 2: next guy may not have the same kind of financial

2449
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:32,639
Speaker 2: stability that a guy like wonder Boy has.

2450
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,439
Speaker 1: It felt gross, Luke, It felt a little bit gross.

2451
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:37,880
Speaker 1: I get it. I get what you're saying. I get

2452
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:40,519
Speaker 1: the promotion has It's right, the fight didn't happen. You

2453
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:42,400
Speaker 1: had a chance for the fight to happen, and you

2454
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:46,840
Speaker 1: said no. But like so he has to eat it

2455
01:53:46,920 --> 01:53:47,400
Speaker 1: for that.

2456
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 2: Dreaming campy pay fighters pay, fighters keep being mad at

2457
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:54,280
Speaker 2: MMA media for talking about MMA fighter pay in public,

2458
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:57,759
Speaker 2: because that's real smart when you do that, so smart,

2459
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 2: so smart to get mad at us for bringing up

2460
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 2: these issues because I'm sure that will work out to

2461
01:54:03,040 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 2: your benefit long term, right, because wonder boy has been

2462
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,160
Speaker 2: only anything a soldier for the company. For sure, they're

2463
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:11,880
Speaker 2: gonna just reward him over time because of his tenure

2464
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:14,360
Speaker 2: and his stats. Oh they won't, I'm getting I'm getting

2465
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 2: word they won't. Actually, all right, Yeah, keep being mad

2466
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:23,639
Speaker 2: at us for that. I'm sure that's smart, all right. Next,

2467
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:28,479
Speaker 2: Leo the Lion Levy prime for prime. How does Mayweather

2468
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:31,680
Speaker 2: versus Crawford go? Hey, I saw something that shouts to

2469
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 2: Andreas Hale. I saw him this weekend. Great guy. He

2470
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 2: was making a point and saying that, like, if you

2471
01:54:36,720 --> 01:54:39,800
Speaker 2: look at some of the names that Mayweather beat. Now,

2472
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:42,040
Speaker 2: he's got some big names on there, like Chico Corrals,

2473
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:45,480
Speaker 2: But when he beat Chico at that time, he wasn't

2474
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 2: another pound for pound guy. What ended up happening is

2475
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 2: Crawford beating Spence. Spence's I mean, I don't know what

2476
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:55,840
Speaker 2: he'll be today, but on Friday he was a top

2477
01:54:55,880 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 2: five pound for pound guy, and Crawford fucking thumped him.

2478
01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 1: That is ch Chigo. Kraus was a slugger and feared

2479
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 1: and there were more media than not that were picking

2480
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 1: him to beat Mayweather in that fight. But it turned

2481
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:13,080
Speaker 1: out the weight cut was also really bad for him

2482
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 1: in that fight. He needed to move up and then

2483
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 1: Floyd just doused him in gasoline and put him on fire.

2484
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:21,160
Speaker 1: But look, this is the interesting spinoff convo here for me,

2485
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:24,840
Speaker 1: because look, Floyd handled his business against every type of fighter.

2486
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:27,400
Speaker 1: But there was this belief, because Floyd had more control

2487
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:30,280
Speaker 1: over his matchmaking than anybody had known up to that point,

2488
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 1: with the exception of Sugar Ray Leonard, that he was

2489
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:36,640
Speaker 1: purposely avoiding certain guys with hand and foot speed, or

2490
01:55:36,680 --> 01:55:39,400
Speaker 1: he was waiting out guys, which to some degree did happen.

2491
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:44,000
Speaker 1: When Floyd says he's tve to remind people, it's it's

2492
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 1: the whole package. It's the money, the business, the everything.

2493
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:50,160
Speaker 1: Floyd had a through a perfect game in his career.

2494
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:53,240
Speaker 1: But Luke, when we always say historically, who are the

2495
01:55:53,240 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 1: welterweights that would have given Floyd tons of problems, the

2496
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 1: name we always look bring up right away along with

2497
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:03,320
Speaker 1: Sugar Ray Leonard, is hitman Tommy Hearns, who had the

2498
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:09,400
Speaker 1: boxing ability and ridiculously long arms and crushing power to

2499
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:11,680
Speaker 1: go with that speed in the land. I mean just

2500
01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:14,600
Speaker 1: had everything where I don't care who you talk to,

2501
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:16,760
Speaker 1: whatever history you want to bring up, people will tell

2502
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 1: you that fight's a problem for Floyd. I'm here to

2503
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:25,600
Speaker 1: tell you that welter weight, prime for prime Crawford could

2504
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:27,520
Speaker 1: be a problem for Floyd. No, I'm not you know,

2505
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you'd I'm not saying slam dunk automatically.

2506
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh he washes Floyd. No, Floyd is Floyd for a

2507
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:37,600
Speaker 1: great reason. He might be the smartest combat sports athlete

2508
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:40,040
Speaker 1: I have ever seen Floyd Mayweather. Like that is it

2509
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:42,440
Speaker 1: almost goes without saying, right, he might be the greatest

2510
01:56:42,440 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 1: defensive boxer since Willie Pep, which is like ridiculous, you

2511
01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:50,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, Yeah, this version of Crawford's

2512
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,960
Speaker 1: on Saturday Night. He's an absolute problem for welter wight

2513
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 1: Floyd Mayweather. There's no question about it, Luke, zero question.

2514
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I never thought I would see another

2515
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:01,200
Speaker 2: fighter who I think thought and you know, obviously in

2516
01:57:01,720 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 2: relatively close weight class, this onen't be in the same

2517
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 2: but you know what I mean, Like, you know, around

2518
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 2: the same neighborhood of weight that I thought that guy could,

2519
01:57:08,120 --> 01:57:11,680
Speaker 2: that guy could beat Mayweather. But Crawford, I mean, I'm

2520
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 2: not declaring it to you because who the hell knows, but.

2521
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'd have to see it, but.

2522
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,120
Speaker 2: We'd have to see it. But like, do I think

2523
01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 2: he could, Yes, I think he could. I absolutely think

2524
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:20,840
Speaker 2: he could.

2525
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:23,000
Speaker 1: Damn man, because because then the reason why I bring

2526
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 1: up to Heart's thing is because Crawford's long. He's huge.

2527
01:57:26,680 --> 01:57:28,879
Speaker 1: For as huge as we talked about Spence being, Crawford

2528
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:31,840
Speaker 1: looked as big in there and then you saw you

2529
01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:34,880
Speaker 1: saw the showcase of he can do Floyd things in

2530
01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 1: terms of his defense and IQ. But at welterweight specifically,

2531
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 1: he's got way more firepower than Floyd. Floyd in the

2532
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:45,160
Speaker 1: lower weight classes was a killer. He was a search

2533
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,240
Speaker 1: and when he was pretty boy Floyd, he would search

2534
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 1: and destroy you. I give Floyd a lot of credit

2535
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:52,040
Speaker 1: for persevering in the second half of his career with

2536
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:56,280
Speaker 1: those legitimate hand issues, but you know, the the welterweight

2537
01:57:56,320 --> 01:58:00,480
Speaker 1: Floyd was a pot shotter in a defensive wizard. Alfred's

2538
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 1: trouble Crawford's big time trouble for him.

2539
01:58:03,560 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 2: Who was the guy that he did was at Chop

2540
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:07,160
Speaker 2: Chop he did it too. He's like, stop crying and

2541
01:58:07,200 --> 01:58:09,040
Speaker 2: fucking fight and then he just demolished him.

2542
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, then he demolished him.

2543
01:58:10,160 --> 01:58:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, dude, old pretty boy Floyd was, I mean

2544
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:15,520
Speaker 2: he was. He was a force to be reckoned with too,

2545
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:16,880
Speaker 2: make no mistake about it, all right.

2546
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean he was poulfre pound king at like age

2547
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:21,560
Speaker 1: twenty one, pretty boy Floyd Okay Ring magazine Fighter of

2548
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 1: the Year at age twenty Like.

2549
01:58:23,400 --> 01:58:28,080
Speaker 2: You know, ridiculous, Yeah, it's ridiculous, all right. Next from

2550
01:58:28,200 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 2: Jimmy Reid Luke back on the Miranda Maverick hype train.

2551
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:34,120
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, she opened the car and at the

2552
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:37,160
Speaker 2: lowest prelim spot you can get. But it was a

2553
01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:41,720
Speaker 2: nice win. It was a good arm bar I thought. Overall,

2554
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:45,120
Speaker 2: she didn't look overwhelmed. She looked ready for the opportunity.

2555
01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 2: In general, there's still some things I think that need

2556
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:49,560
Speaker 2: to be worked on, but she definitely here's what I'll

2557
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:53,840
Speaker 2: SAYBC definitely definitely was a must win. I don't know,

2558
01:58:54,120 --> 01:58:57,120
Speaker 2: but a big win, A big win stopped the bleeding

2559
01:58:57,240 --> 01:59:00,800
Speaker 2: so to speak, and really showed like why we had

2560
01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 2: some hype to begin with, Like there's parts of her

2561
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 2: game that are very formidable and her submission game is

2562
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 2: one of them.

2563
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:10,280
Speaker 1: Good win, she needed it. She strategically admitted that she

2564
01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:12,839
Speaker 1: took this fight last minute because of the style difference.

2565
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:15,640
Speaker 1: On the ground, it was a really good win. And

2566
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:17,280
Speaker 1: she looked really good. And actually I thought she looked

2567
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 1: like a bad us coming out in those aviator shades,

2568
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:20,920
Speaker 1: like for an image. I was like, man, that's pretty cool.

2569
01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:25,960
Speaker 1: But Luke, she expok greatly exposed a really bad part

2570
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:29,040
Speaker 1: of uh Catchaweer's game that needs to be addressed if

2571
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:31,840
Speaker 1: she wants to compete continuously at this level. So it

2572
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:34,400
Speaker 1: was advantageous. But look, did you see that weird? And

2573
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:36,280
Speaker 1: I'll bring this up to be weird to gross and

2574
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,600
Speaker 1: you can make BC comments all you want, but did

2575
01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:41,839
Speaker 1: you see Ketchuea got her arm caught in Miranda Mavericks

2576
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:45,680
Speaker 1: fighting bra and they actually had to halt the action

2577
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,600
Speaker 1: to avoid a major you know, and we have seen

2578
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:51,800
Speaker 1: very quick major wardrobe malfunctions in the past in which

2579
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:54,160
Speaker 1: referees had to jump in and help. I'm just wondering

2580
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:57,840
Speaker 1: if you ever see a future where almost exclusively female

2581
01:59:57,880 --> 02:00:01,320
Speaker 1: fighters go away from wearing the the sports bra look

2582
02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:05,120
Speaker 1: because I've yet to see a fighter strategically attempt to

2583
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 1: expose the other person's wardrobe in an effort to change

2584
02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:10,560
Speaker 1: their defense so they can land a big shot, Like

2585
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:12,200
Speaker 1: will you think we'll ever see that? And that'll be

2586
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:13,800
Speaker 1: the turning point because I've definitely seen in.

2587
02:00:13,800 --> 02:00:16,200
Speaker 2: The men's game where guys will pull on the shorts

2588
02:00:16,200 --> 02:00:18,200
Speaker 2: when they're going for a takedown they can't get to

2589
02:00:18,280 --> 02:00:22,440
Speaker 2: stop the guy from scrambling. Like I've seen that, I've

2590
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:25,400
Speaker 2: never seen someone like pull on another guy's cup or anything.

2591
02:00:26,040 --> 02:00:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if we ever do see it, because

2592
02:00:28,120 --> 02:00:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, if somebody had a really bad wardrobe

2593
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:33,040
Speaker 1: malfunction on in front of this many people, it would

2594
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 1: be very embarrassing and it wouldn't be what this sport

2595
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:37,560
Speaker 1: is all about. But like even Ronda and the car

2596
02:00:37,560 --> 02:00:39,880
Speaker 1: Mouche fight had to constantly adjust and it was almost

2597
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:40,680
Speaker 1: like this is that.

2598
02:00:40,680 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 2: Was Rebod gear, that's not the Venom gear, and the

2599
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:45,600
Speaker 2: Rebod gear was janky, but daddy yanky.

2600
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:49,840
Speaker 1: But I'm just wondering if we ever leading up to

2601
02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 1: a moment where someone tries to use that as strategy

2602
02:00:52,240 --> 02:00:55,320
Speaker 1: look to and then we end up getting HC.

2603
02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:57,080
Speaker 2: He's like, listen, I'm just here to see some titties,

2604
02:00:57,160 --> 02:00:57,480
Speaker 2: I mean.

2605
02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:02,720
Speaker 1: And then suddenly everybody's showing up up in full rock ferry,

2606
02:01:02,720 --> 02:01:05,160
Speaker 1: which is like sweatpants with sleeves.

2607
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:06,800
Speaker 2: And you know, have you ever got I watched a

2608
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:08,760
Speaker 2: fight at a strip club?

2609
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:14,320
Speaker 1: No, but I did watch that Patriots playoff game in

2610
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:16,720
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's first year in the Snow Remember that one?

2611
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:18,880
Speaker 1: Was it against Pittsburgh or was it the Raiders? You

2612
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:19,840
Speaker 1: know that one in the Snow?

2613
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the one that was the one with

2614
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:23,400
Speaker 2: the Ford momentum thing or whatever.

2615
02:01:23,480 --> 02:01:28,120
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, that was You're right, that was the Raiders. Yeah,

2616
02:01:28,120 --> 02:01:30,680
Speaker 1: I was. I was watching different kind of tucks going

2617
02:01:30,720 --> 02:01:31,320
Speaker 1: on there, Luke.

2618
02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:31,680
Speaker 2: That was.

2619
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:32,920
Speaker 1: That was a wild time.

2620
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:35,760
Speaker 2: I've done it. I've actually watched fights at a strip club.

2621
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:39,840
Speaker 2: It's stupid though. It actually ended up backfiring because you know,

2622
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:42,920
Speaker 2: if I'm watching a fight, I kind of want to

2623
02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:44,600
Speaker 2: be invested in the fight. But then when there's like

2624
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:47,600
Speaker 2: all this what would you call it distraction to the

2625
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:51,120
Speaker 2: side of you. Yeah, just you know, it doesn't it

2626
02:01:51,120 --> 02:01:53,040
Speaker 2: doesn't make for an appealing experience.

2627
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:57,000
Speaker 1: Seems counterintuitive, Luke, because you know I'm already rock hard

2628
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:59,880
Speaker 1: with emotion watching these fights. I mean, I've got a phoner, Luke.

2629
02:01:59,880 --> 02:02:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to send the wrong message to the

2630
02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:04,960
Speaker 1: wrong dancer, you know. Plus plus those places, Luke, I

2631
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:07,720
Speaker 1: only finally share these stories because I was once a

2632
02:02:07,720 --> 02:02:09,920
Speaker 1: wild now but those places are disgusting, Luke, Come on,

2633
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:12,720
Speaker 1: those that's the dark arts of life right there.

2634
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:16,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I've eaten at strip clubs. I'm trifling. I'm trifling.

2635
02:02:16,280 --> 02:02:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean with a view, Luke, is that where you're

2636
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:18,640
Speaker 1: going after? There?

2637
02:02:20,160 --> 02:02:24,120
Speaker 2: No no like like the like the buffets at strip clubs.

2638
02:02:24,160 --> 02:02:27,200
Speaker 2: I've had them. I've had them. I've done that. Not

2639
02:02:27,280 --> 02:02:29,440
Speaker 2: proud of it, not proud of it. Been a long time. Actually,

2640
02:02:29,480 --> 02:02:30,640
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think. What was the last time I

2641
02:02:30,640 --> 02:02:33,400
Speaker 2: went to strip club. I don't think I've been into

2642
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:37,120
Speaker 2: a strip club at least since before twenty ten as.

2643
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:40,200
Speaker 1: A tad girl. Dad, you and the late rip Kobe Bryan,

2644
02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:41,640
Speaker 1: I hope you never stepped foot in one again.

2645
02:02:41,680 --> 02:02:43,560
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, me too, me too? All right?

2646
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:46,000
Speaker 1: Next, is Mikey really telling us which strip club have

2647
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:46,880
Speaker 1: the best seafood here?

2648
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:49,440
Speaker 2: In the commons. I know our producer is literally messaging

2649
02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:51,280
Speaker 2: us right now, being like, dude, I know all of

2650
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:55,360
Speaker 2: the best seafood in strip clubs in South Florida. I'm like, Mikey,

2651
02:02:55,400 --> 02:02:58,840
Speaker 2: you need to get professional help. Okay, uh from Traveling

2652
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:02,879
Speaker 2: Craft and Husiast, What do you think about the BMF

2653
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:05,280
Speaker 2: belt winner nominating the next person to fight for it

2654
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:07,760
Speaker 2: instead of the promotion setting up future matchups. Yeah, I

2655
02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:09,280
Speaker 2: don't give a fuck about any of that shit, to

2656
02:03:09,320 --> 02:03:13,840
Speaker 2: be honest with you, Sorry, Kim dude.

2657
02:03:15,320 --> 02:03:17,280
Speaker 1: The only problem with all these things going head to

2658
02:03:17,320 --> 02:03:19,640
Speaker 1: head Saturday night was I was really excited about Justin

2659
02:03:19,720 --> 02:03:21,640
Speaker 1: Dustin too, as with everybody else, and I got myself

2660
02:03:21,640 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 1: caught up into the romanticism if there is any of

2661
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:28,920
Speaker 1: the BMF title and there was a head kick knockout

2662
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:32,880
Speaker 1: yet because Spencer just ended, you know, fifteen minutes before.

2663
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:35,560
Speaker 1: It was almost like I was out of awe, I

2664
02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:38,520
Speaker 1: was out of pop. I had used it all up,

2665
02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:43,000
Speaker 1: Luke on that incredible Crawford Spence performance. It was almost

2666
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:45,120
Speaker 1: like too much. It was almost too much Saturday night

2667
02:03:45,160 --> 02:03:47,520
Speaker 1: where I don't even feel like I gave that moment

2668
02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:50,040
Speaker 1: the moment it deserved. Of justin landing that headkick in

2669
02:03:50,080 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 1: BMF and Masvidal's there with the title. It was just

2670
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:54,520
Speaker 1: sort of like I.

2671
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:55,960
Speaker 2: Just saw hard to cut. It was too much. Yeah,

2672
02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:57,720
Speaker 2: I don't like it when they compete with each other either.

2673
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:00,800
Speaker 2: It sounds fun and like in theory, and then it

2674
02:04:00,920 --> 02:04:03,560
Speaker 2: ends up just like one ends up trampling the other

2675
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:05,000
Speaker 2: whichever direction it goes, you know.

2676
02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like watching a fight at a strip club.

2677
02:04:07,360 --> 02:04:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, it's like watching a fight at a strip club.

2678
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:11,480
Speaker 2: It's like, I love that there are fist fights, but

2679
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:18,640
Speaker 2: also there's that So okay, next, Big Daddy Rowntree says,

2680
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:20,400
Speaker 2: can you shed some light on my Boxers are able

2681
02:04:20,440 --> 02:04:23,480
Speaker 2: to wear costumes into the ring up until the opening bell,

2682
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:26,000
Speaker 2: but MMA fighters, at least in the UFC have to

2683
02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:28,800
Speaker 2: be in uniform and can't even fist bump their cornermen

2684
02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 2: on the way to the cage. Guys, it's because there

2685
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:36,919
Speaker 2: The power structure in boxing makes it so that boxers

2686
02:04:36,920 --> 02:04:39,360
Speaker 2: basically not just elite ones, but even low level ones

2687
02:04:40,160 --> 02:04:44,400
Speaker 2: have significantly more rights and control over every part of

2688
02:04:44,440 --> 02:04:47,560
Speaker 2: the problem. Let me tell you one thing. An a

2689
02:04:47,800 --> 02:04:51,320
Speaker 2: side boxer is so powerful. Not only can they get

2690
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:53,360
Speaker 2: like a cut like Floyd used to get a cut

2691
02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:55,680
Speaker 2: of like concessions, Floyd used to get a cut of

2692
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:56,720
Speaker 2: the gate Floyd get, but he.

2693
02:04:56,760 --> 02:04:58,640
Speaker 1: Used to be able to set the prices of the

2694
02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:01,040
Speaker 1: merchandise in the arena. That's the control he had.

2695
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:03,600
Speaker 2: Right right. Also, they can end up having an influence

2696
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:06,000
Speaker 2: on who commentates on the fight, who ends up working

2697
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:09,680
Speaker 2: the broadcast, where the broadcast positions end up being versus

2698
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:14,160
Speaker 2: where vip seating is like, they have vastly more power

2699
02:05:14,200 --> 02:05:16,800
Speaker 2: because of the regulations in place in the industry and

2700
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:20,240
Speaker 2: ultimately how it works. UFC fighters do not have any

2701
02:05:20,280 --> 02:05:22,560
Speaker 2: of these protections and therefore do not have any of

2702
02:05:22,600 --> 02:05:24,760
Speaker 2: these powers. It's quite straightforward.

2703
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:27,840
Speaker 1: I would like to see the UFC embrace more of

2704
02:05:27,880 --> 02:05:31,240
Speaker 1: the Pride Showman mentality. Would you like when we see

2705
02:05:31,240 --> 02:05:35,200
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua entering a stadium with his AJ initials on

2706
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:38,320
Speaker 1: fire and you know, like I like that. That's WrestleMania

2707
02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:41,080
Speaker 1: type pop in circumstance. I love that. Can we have that?

2708
02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:44,040
Speaker 2: Dana White has been very clear that he doesn't like

2709
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:46,000
Speaker 2: any of this stuff, and I would just love to

2710
02:05:46,040 --> 02:05:49,440
Speaker 2: see him sit down and tell the audience. Do you

2711
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:53,760
Speaker 2: tell the audience how Bud Crawford walking out with Eminem

2712
02:05:53,880 --> 02:05:55,400
Speaker 2: with the fish net, and by the way, the fish

2713
02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:57,560
Speaker 2: net was like built into his trunks as well, which

2714
02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:00,520
Speaker 2: was super cool. It's so far awesome. I'm saying, like

2715
02:06:00,640 --> 02:06:03,280
Speaker 2: carrying the fish net, hav an Eminem out there. You

2716
02:06:03,360 --> 02:06:06,800
Speaker 2: tell me, and you tell the audience. Make the case

2717
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:10,360
Speaker 2: that that in general makes fighting worse or made that

2718
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:13,240
Speaker 2: night not what it could be. It's just absurd on

2719
02:06:13,280 --> 02:06:15,680
Speaker 2: its face. What they want is control, and when they

2720
02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:18,240
Speaker 2: can control it, they can then sell ads against it.

2721
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:22,480
Speaker 2: Have you seen how the octagon is now just completely

2722
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:25,360
Speaker 2: littered with ads in every way. That's that's not a feat,

2723
02:06:25,400 --> 02:06:28,200
Speaker 2: that's not a bug, that's a feature. I mean that's

2724
02:06:28,280 --> 02:06:30,280
Speaker 2: it's it's there for a purpose. All of this is

2725
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:34,400
Speaker 2: designed for their esthetic, for their purposes. Data doesn't like

2726
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:37,400
Speaker 2: pomp and circumstance. But to meb see and I know

2727
02:06:37,440 --> 02:06:40,720
Speaker 2: you agree, sometimes it doesn't work. That's true, it doesn't

2728
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:46,400
Speaker 2: work every time, but fighters showing their personality through showmanship

2729
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:48,840
Speaker 2: is almost always going to be worth it.

2730
02:06:48,920 --> 02:06:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh, it elevates the sport. Yeah, but key question of this,

2731
02:06:51,960 --> 02:06:54,960
Speaker 1: do you think Bud coming out and banging in fish

2732
02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:57,480
Speaker 1: nets means he's the greatest fighter of all time to

2733
02:06:57,520 --> 02:06:58,800
Speaker 1: do that? Or is that still de.

2734
02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:04,680
Speaker 2: La hoya poor d la joya? Man? I mean, I

2735
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:07,160
Speaker 2: just can't even beat them up anymore. You know, hey,

2736
02:07:07,160 --> 02:07:09,480
Speaker 2: you know what, I didn't see it, but everyone told

2737
02:07:09,480 --> 02:07:11,560
Speaker 2: me over the weekend that HBO documentary on him was

2738
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:12,320
Speaker 2: actually pretty good.

2739
02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:13,800
Speaker 1: I saw it two weeks ago.

2740
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:15,200
Speaker 2: What did you think.

2741
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:18,640
Speaker 1: I didn't like it? Okay, So no, it was produced

2742
02:07:18,640 --> 02:07:21,360
Speaker 1: by a c slater and I think Marky Mark Luke.

2743
02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:25,560
Speaker 1: It's not badly produced. It's not as if it doesn't

2744
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:28,200
Speaker 1: have big reveals in it. It does. There are some

2745
02:07:28,280 --> 02:07:31,320
Speaker 1: actually some pretty damn big reveals in there. But you

2746
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:34,240
Speaker 1: have to understand, I'm an Oscar super fan who also

2747
02:07:34,920 --> 02:07:37,040
Speaker 1: has been there every step of the way as both

2748
02:07:37,160 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 1: journalists and fan through all of his public missteps post career,

2749
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:45,200
Speaker 1: and even with everything I just said it was too safe,

2750
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:48,160
Speaker 1: there were major things they avoided to all together. Yeah,

2751
02:07:48,200 --> 02:07:50,080
Speaker 1: you get the inside story of the fish netech. They

2752
02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:53,680
Speaker 1: even interview the Russian stripper that put him in them. Yeah,

2753
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:56,360
Speaker 1: you get some big reveals about his family history and

2754
02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:59,400
Speaker 1: all of that, but they didn't even touch the whole

2755
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:02,120
Speaker 1: Richard Schafe for a PBC thing, how about all that

2756
02:08:02,680 --> 02:08:06,440
Speaker 1: Oscar went a separate way, Yet they didn't they barely.

2757
02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:08,360
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on? What about the part

2758
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:11,280
Speaker 2: about Oscars like fucked up, like upbringing? I heard that

2759
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:12,280
Speaker 2: thought was pretty good.

2760
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:15,360
Speaker 1: There's a big reveal involving his relationship with his mother.

2761
02:08:15,680 --> 02:08:17,680
Speaker 1: His brother Joel plays a big role in sort of

2762
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:21,480
Speaker 1: helping paint how rough childhood they had an eische la

2763
02:08:21,600 --> 02:08:24,320
Speaker 1: with two very unloving parents, and how that fueled a

2764
02:08:24,360 --> 02:08:28,480
Speaker 1: lot of Oscars wanting and yearning. But I don't know.

2765
02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:30,160
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I'm too close to it. I'm too

2766
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:32,040
Speaker 1: much of an Oscar super fan. There wasn't a lot

2767
02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:34,080
Speaker 1: of detail put into the coverage of the fights. I'm

2768
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:35,120
Speaker 1: not I don't know. I don't know.

2769
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:37,640
Speaker 2: See, I'm not even doing a bit. I just got

2770
02:08:37,680 --> 02:08:39,880
Speaker 2: an email from the UFC. You know, the UFC like

2771
02:08:39,960 --> 02:08:45,400
Speaker 2: has like a media distribution list power Slap four. Well,

2772
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:47,560
Speaker 2: we're while we're sitting here talking about like their great

2773
02:08:47,560 --> 02:08:49,280
Speaker 2: pay per view of the weekend and obviously the great

2774
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:51,800
Speaker 2: boxing pay per view over the weekend, I get an

2775
02:08:51,880 --> 02:08:54,360
Speaker 2: email for Power Slap for. I've literally emailed them very

2776
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:56,200
Speaker 2: calmly and professionally and being like, could you please, if

2777
02:08:56,240 --> 02:08:58,760
Speaker 2: you'd be so kind, remove me from any distribution lists

2778
02:08:58,760 --> 02:09:00,960
Speaker 2: related to anything really to power slaph They just utterly

2779
02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:04,240
Speaker 2: ignored it and are still sending me power slap shit and.

2780
02:09:04,440 --> 02:09:05,680
Speaker 1: Get ready, this is what I know.

2781
02:09:06,560 --> 02:09:09,480
Speaker 2: I'm literally trying to not have it in my life.

2782
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm literally trying, and they won't let me. They won't

2783
02:09:12,280 --> 02:09:12,560
Speaker 2: let me.

2784
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:15,320
Speaker 1: Maybe you are a Rumble Sports subscriber and you just

2785
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:16,360
Speaker 1: won't admit it publicly.

2786
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:18,720
Speaker 2: You know what, I might as well just get involved

2787
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:20,280
Speaker 2: at this point. Do we have any other left? Or

2788
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:24,640
Speaker 2: is that the last question? I think that's the last question. Okay, BC,

2789
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:25,680
Speaker 2: you're up, my friend.

2790
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we close with I scoured the globe for the

2791
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:32,520
Speaker 1: highs and lows, the good, the bad, the ugly over

2792
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:34,720
Speaker 1: the past weekend from combat sports and beyond, and there

2793
02:09:34,720 --> 02:09:37,600
Speaker 1: was a lot of combat sports. This one's called have

2794
02:09:37,720 --> 02:09:38,560
Speaker 1: you seen this shit?

2795
02:09:41,160 --> 02:09:42,680
Speaker 2: Man?

2796
02:09:43,120 --> 02:09:48,760
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I'm going to It's damn true. UFC

2797
02:09:48,920 --> 02:09:51,800
Speaker 1: two ninety one from Salt Lake City, Luke Derek Lewis

2798
02:09:51,880 --> 02:09:54,640
Speaker 1: won the whole night of all of his post fight

2799
02:09:54,720 --> 02:09:57,320
Speaker 1: antics and there have been so many, dude, this was

2800
02:09:57,400 --> 02:10:01,360
Speaker 1: the best. Can we just relive this please? I mean

2801
02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:02,560
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Luke?

2802
02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:05,720
Speaker 2: The d X job that was me after prom bro.

2803
02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:11,960
Speaker 1: Luke. I had a theory late Saturday that this was

2804
02:10:12,160 --> 02:10:14,840
Speaker 1: very calculated to save his job, not just to score

2805
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:18,720
Speaker 1: the big knockout, but to show that he's still that like, fun,

2806
02:10:18,760 --> 02:10:21,600
Speaker 1: loving fan favorite. It did seem like it was purposeful.

2807
02:10:21,640 --> 02:10:22,360
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that.

2808
02:10:24,080 --> 02:10:26,800
Speaker 2: I think he felt a little relief too, maybe, you know,

2809
02:10:27,600 --> 02:10:29,400
Speaker 2: like I do agree that he maybe he had planned it,

2810
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:31,680
Speaker 2: but I also just feel like he was he seemed

2811
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:33,520
Speaker 2: so happy. Good for him too, Rite, but like he

2812
02:10:33,560 --> 02:10:34,280
Speaker 2: seems so happy.

2813
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:34,960
Speaker 1: I love the guy.

2814
02:10:35,080 --> 02:10:38,200
Speaker 2: I love the hard He's hard to dislike. By the way,

2815
02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:40,120
Speaker 2: met Kate Abdoh, you got the chance to work with

2816
02:10:40,120 --> 02:10:42,320
Speaker 2: her for the Tank and Ryan Fight. I got my

2817
02:10:42,320 --> 02:10:45,880
Speaker 2: first chance. She's very different than Derek Lewis, but the

2818
02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:48,160
Speaker 2: one thing that might unite them is she is also

2819
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:51,880
Speaker 2: very hard to dislike. Shots to Kate Abdo a consummate pro.

2820
02:10:51,960 --> 02:10:53,040
Speaker 2: I'll tell you know what. You know what stands out

2821
02:10:53,080 --> 02:10:54,400
Speaker 2: to me about now having worked with her a couple

2822
02:10:54,400 --> 02:11:00,280
Speaker 2: of times, like Bud, very very calm, very calm, you know,

2823
02:11:00,440 --> 02:11:02,520
Speaker 2: she just carries it very evenly.

2824
02:11:02,520 --> 02:11:06,360
Speaker 1: And it allows the conversations to flow so freely. She's

2825
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:08,600
Speaker 1: very and she's very good, as you see if you

2826
02:11:08,640 --> 02:11:12,160
Speaker 1: watch her soccer show Luke on Paramount Plus. She's very

2827
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:15,520
Speaker 1: good at floating with like bad humor and and and

2828
02:11:15,600 --> 02:11:16,879
Speaker 1: you know, the light moments.

2829
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:18,800
Speaker 2: I got to tell you. I don't know if I

2830
02:11:18,800 --> 02:11:20,600
Speaker 2: could tell the story on air, but we did. We

2831
02:11:20,600 --> 02:11:24,840
Speaker 2: did fighter meetings and Stephen Nelson, who was one of

2832
02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:29,400
Speaker 2: buds like stablemates. He fought on the premiums. We called

2833
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:34,160
Speaker 2: his fights so called Stephen Nelson, and he was he

2834
02:11:34,160 --> 02:11:35,840
Speaker 2: had a big gap in his career and we were

2835
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:37,400
Speaker 2: asking him about it, and he was like, you know,

2836
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:39,600
Speaker 2: there's the pandemic and injuries and blah blah blah. You know,

2837
02:11:39,640 --> 02:11:41,040
Speaker 2: everyone took a little bit of time off one way

2838
02:11:41,120 --> 02:11:43,560
Speaker 2: or the other. And he's like, you know, but I

2839
02:11:44,280 --> 02:11:46,800
Speaker 2: use the time wisely, Like he's learning how to fly

2840
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:49,920
Speaker 2: a plane. He's almost got his license, he went skydiving.

2841
02:11:49,960 --> 02:11:51,760
Speaker 2: He wented a bunch of stuff, including not limited to

2842
02:11:52,280 --> 02:11:55,000
Speaker 2: stand up comedy, and then Kate Abdo was like, oh,

2843
02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:57,720
Speaker 2: tell us a joke. And I was like, Kate, don't

2844
02:11:57,720 --> 02:11:59,560
Speaker 2: do that. Don't do that, because I know where this

2845
02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:01,400
Speaker 2: is going to go. And then sure enough, I won't

2846
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:02,600
Speaker 2: say I tell you what he said. In the middle

2847
02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:04,440
Speaker 2: of the call, he goes, well, I'll tell you the joke,

2848
02:12:04,520 --> 02:12:09,360
Speaker 2: but uh, you know it's not PC And I was like,

2849
02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:11,880
Speaker 2: oh fuck, okay, here we go. This is this is

2850
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:16,280
Speaker 2: gonna go poorly. And it didn't go poorly. But she's

2851
02:12:16,280 --> 02:12:18,560
Speaker 2: a trooper. She's a trooper, So all.

2852
02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:22,920
Speaker 1: Right, all right, you and Ariel also had a nice reunion. Luke, congratulations. Yeah.

2853
02:12:22,920 --> 02:12:25,720
Speaker 2: People seem to like that, I guess. But he was great.

2854
02:12:25,800 --> 02:12:27,120
Speaker 2: He was easy to work with too, you.

2855
02:12:27,160 --> 02:12:29,919
Speaker 1: Know, absolutely, he brings a lot of fun to the broadcast.

2856
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:31,840
Speaker 1: Let's go back into the cage. Here at two ninety one,

2857
02:12:31,960 --> 02:12:36,000
Speaker 1: Luke herb Dean's power slide to try to save dustin Poorier.

2858
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:39,080
Speaker 1: Nobody's talking about this, dude. This is refereeing at the

2859
02:12:39,120 --> 02:12:40,160
Speaker 1: highest level. What's this?

2860
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:45,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he comes in? Just what there it is? Yeah, dude,

2861
02:12:45,520 --> 02:12:49,200
Speaker 2: that's me trying to get a seat on like on Southwest.

2862
02:12:49,480 --> 02:12:52,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Just like running onto the

2863
02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:54,680
Speaker 2: fucking plane. I'm like, no, I got I got a

2864
02:12:54,800 --> 02:12:56,800
Speaker 2: five player, I got a five differences.

2865
02:12:56,840 --> 02:12:59,680
Speaker 1: You'd be crop dusting everybody there. Hopefully he didn't drop a.

2866
02:13:00,280 --> 02:13:02,280
Speaker 2: He probably he probably was fart in the whole time.

2867
02:13:02,200 --> 02:13:04,840
Speaker 1: Drop SPD right on top of Big John. Would have

2868
02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:06,680
Speaker 1: done that if it was Tokyo. Look, Big John would

2869
02:13:06,720 --> 02:13:09,000
Speaker 1: have done that. You better believe that. All right, Hey, y'all,

2870
02:13:09,080 --> 02:13:11,760
Speaker 1: we had a mini real versus real moment here post fight.

2871
02:13:11,800 --> 02:13:22,800
Speaker 1: Here are Justin and Dustin. Let's listen in after their contest.

2872
02:13:19,360 --> 02:13:20,160
Speaker 2: And I didn't see.

2873
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:29,280
Speaker 1: Congrats mans the.

2874
02:13:29,240 --> 02:13:33,360
Speaker 2: Big nine man. Yeah serious, it would be a big.

2875
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:38,280
Speaker 1: Mom Look they're gonna hang out afterwards. I like to

2876
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:40,440
Speaker 1: be a part of that trio, right, just be just

2877
02:13:40,840 --> 02:13:42,320
Speaker 1: three warriors, just grown out.

2878
02:13:42,360 --> 02:13:43,960
Speaker 2: You know, I gotta tell you, man, in all my

2879
02:13:44,040 --> 02:13:47,960
Speaker 2: years covering fight sports, I think that you know, Machidah

2880
02:13:48,120 --> 02:13:50,160
Speaker 2: kind of got a GSP two. These guys who were

2881
02:13:50,160 --> 02:13:53,280
Speaker 2: like embodied the martial arts spirit. They got labeled as

2882
02:13:53,320 --> 02:13:56,480
Speaker 2: like these pros of the game quite fairly. But you

2883
02:13:56,520 --> 02:13:58,920
Speaker 2: don't see the same, like you know, martial arts kind

2884
02:13:58,920 --> 02:14:01,320
Speaker 2: of demeanor from him. He's still a prize fighter. He's

2885
02:14:01,320 --> 02:14:04,200
Speaker 2: still rough around the edges in that way. And yet

2886
02:14:04,360 --> 02:14:05,960
Speaker 2: when you look at what he does with the Good

2887
02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:08,720
Speaker 2: Fight Foundation, when you look at the sportsmanship that he

2888
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:12,720
Speaker 2: treats his peers with, Colby and notwithstanding for different reasons. Dude,

2889
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:14,200
Speaker 2: he's the best that we got in the game for

2890
02:14:14,240 --> 02:14:15,840
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff. Yeah, the best that we got

2891
02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:17,320
Speaker 2: in the game. We're lucky to have him.

2892
02:14:17,480 --> 02:14:19,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know something about it. The wholesome nature

2893
02:14:19,880 --> 02:14:24,240
Speaker 1: of two warriors like Gattian ward Right becoming best friends afterwards.

2894
02:14:24,520 --> 02:14:26,480
Speaker 1: I love to see that. I really do. When you

2895
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:29,680
Speaker 1: have that exchange in the fighting surface and you leave

2896
02:14:29,720 --> 02:14:32,520
Speaker 1: a piece of yourself in there with another man or woman, Luke,

2897
02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:35,000
Speaker 1: the idea that you're linked for life after that, I

2898
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:37,680
Speaker 1: love that thing. The coldest picture of the week, though,

2899
02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:43,360
Speaker 1: courtesy of Bobby Green. Here is ELKAKUI walking in and Luke.

2900
02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:45,880
Speaker 1: That's not fifty cent with the chess protector there. That's

2901
02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:48,960
Speaker 1: Bobby Green with the ski mask outside of the porta John.

2902
02:14:49,040 --> 02:14:50,240
Speaker 1: Look at that cold stare.

2903
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, that is that is so awesome looking like

2904
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:57,200
Speaker 2: with the balaklava like he's about to go rob a bank.

2905
02:14:57,400 --> 02:14:58,879
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, dude, count me Yah.

2906
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:03,960
Speaker 1: Speaking of Green, he did not fear Tony at all

2907
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:06,680
Speaker 1: in this fight, despite Ferguson saying that in the press conference.

2908
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:08,640
Speaker 1: Let's look in on the stair down the head.

2909
02:15:12,640 --> 02:15:14,720
Speaker 2: Let me get close. What fear you see?

2910
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:17,560
Speaker 1: What fear you see? He's going downtime?

2911
02:15:17,640 --> 02:15:18,400
Speaker 4: What fuck you meat?

2912
02:15:18,600 --> 02:15:20,160
Speaker 1: It'll fear.

2913
02:15:23,160 --> 02:15:23,360
Speaker 2: Look.

2914
02:15:23,400 --> 02:15:25,480
Speaker 1: I like when people get invited to the press conference

2915
02:15:25,480 --> 02:15:27,440
Speaker 1: who don't normally go there and then they spice it up.

2916
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:29,480
Speaker 1: I thought Bobby Green did that by spinning the chair

2917
02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:33,080
Speaker 1: around and coming in there with the catcher's chest protector on.

2918
02:15:33,160 --> 02:15:33,600
Speaker 1: I loved it.

2919
02:15:33,640 --> 02:15:35,560
Speaker 2: I love that he was ready to catch some you know,

2920
02:15:35,640 --> 02:15:38,520
Speaker 2: some fastballs and some and some uh and some you

2921
02:15:38,520 --> 02:15:41,400
Speaker 2: know some uh, some two seamers.

2922
02:15:41,680 --> 02:15:46,360
Speaker 1: But yes. At the postfight press conference, Kevin Holland delivered

2923
02:15:46,360 --> 02:15:48,400
Speaker 1: the most inappropriate line of the week. Let's listen in.

2924
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:51,440
Speaker 5: I shouldn't say this. Uh. I wish some of you

2925
02:15:51,480 --> 02:15:54,200
Speaker 5: women would plug your ears. Usually there's not women back here,

2926
02:15:54,280 --> 02:15:56,960
Speaker 5: so I'm sorry guys ahead of time. But it's like

2927
02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:59,320
Speaker 5: having sex every day of the week and then fucking

2928
02:15:59,360 --> 02:15:59,760
Speaker 5: a virgin.

2929
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:00,160
Speaker 2: You know.

2930
02:16:00,200 --> 02:16:02,000
Speaker 5: It's like he's been going way too long. That shit

2931
02:16:02,080 --> 02:16:06,960
Speaker 5: was way too tight. You couldn't handle it. Once again, Sorry, ladies,

2932
02:16:08,280 --> 02:16:09,480
Speaker 5: it's just a weird analogy.

2933
02:16:09,560 --> 02:16:10,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting.

2934
02:16:10,360 --> 02:16:12,440
Speaker 5: It makes sense. They're right, it does.

2935
02:16:12,520 --> 02:16:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, your wrestling looks impeccable. Almost is like

2936
02:16:16,520 --> 02:16:20,880
Speaker 1: you've learned how to defend takedowns. Oscar well too, well

2937
02:16:21,320 --> 02:16:24,200
Speaker 1: what he's talking about right there, Luke. But uh yeah,

2938
02:16:24,200 --> 02:16:26,160
Speaker 1: that was a little cringe worthy in twenty twenty three,

2939
02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:28,280
Speaker 1: but it happened. It did happen. There.

2940
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:31,320
Speaker 2: You go only at MMA events only when or when

2941
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,240
Speaker 2: Adrian Browner is talking and boxing. That's it.

2942
02:16:33,360 --> 02:16:36,480
Speaker 1: Yes, Uh it's time for Spence Crawford from Las Vegas.

2943
02:16:36,480 --> 02:16:41,080
Speaker 1: We mentioned that eminem walkout was incredible. Here's a quick

2944
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:43,520
Speaker 1: taste of it along with Bud talking afterwards of how

2945
02:16:43,560 --> 02:16:44,040
Speaker 1: it happened.

2946
02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:45,440
Speaker 3: Makes it noise.

2947
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:00,600
Speaker 2: How did you pull off getting Eminem to walk you

2948
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:01,160
Speaker 2: out tonight?

2949
02:17:02,440 --> 02:17:05,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was just I throw a rock

2950
02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:09,400
Speaker 3: in a haystack and he replied, and you know, I

2951
02:17:09,440 --> 02:17:11,320
Speaker 3: told him to pull up, and he was like, I'm there.

2952
02:17:11,320 --> 02:17:13,840
Speaker 3: Are you one of my favorite fighters? And you know

2953
02:17:13,920 --> 02:17:17,959
Speaker 3: that show you know a lot of support for me,

2954
02:17:18,720 --> 02:17:21,879
Speaker 3: and that show what level I'm at in the boxing world.

2955
02:17:23,959 --> 02:17:26,560
Speaker 1: Look, that's like the definition of real, recognizing real. That

2956
02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:30,520
Speaker 1: happened in like twenty four hour notice that Bud gave

2957
02:17:30,560 --> 02:17:33,280
Speaker 1: an interview said if I can have anybody walk me out,

2958
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:36,600
Speaker 1: would be Eminem. Eminem responded on social media and then

2959
02:17:36,640 --> 02:17:39,360
Speaker 1: got on a plane and showed up. That's awesome, dude.

2960
02:17:39,480 --> 02:17:41,039
Speaker 2: By the way, I heard that there was another name

2961
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:43,160
Speaker 2: that they wanted to also get him to walk out

2962
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:46,360
Speaker 2: with Eminem. They weren't able to get it. But the

2963
02:17:46,680 --> 02:17:49,680
Speaker 2: thing that st to MEBC was with that, you know,

2964
02:17:49,720 --> 02:17:51,800
Speaker 2: with the hype of the fight. With that, then what

2965
02:17:51,879 --> 02:17:54,400
Speaker 2: he did in the fight, dude, Bud Crawford is going

2966
02:17:54,440 --> 02:17:56,879
Speaker 2: to be a much bigger star going forward than he

2967
02:17:56,959 --> 02:18:00,160
Speaker 2: ever has been. He took a major, major step up up.

2968
02:18:00,520 --> 02:18:01,200
Speaker 2: Good for him.

2969
02:18:02,200 --> 02:18:05,760
Speaker 1: Do you downgrade that performance at all because Eminem didn't sing,

2970
02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:07,920
Speaker 1: He just came out and announced Bud and then walked

2971
02:18:07,959 --> 02:18:08,480
Speaker 1: into the ring.

2972
02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:11,360
Speaker 2: No, I thought it was so much better. Okay, so

2973
02:18:11,400 --> 02:18:13,440
Speaker 2: the best scenario would be where they actually do it,

2974
02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:15,879
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, the people who run these events,

2975
02:18:15,959 --> 02:18:18,200
Speaker 2: the live event producers, they never let the talent do it,

2976
02:18:18,400 --> 02:18:19,880
Speaker 2: so they always have to kind of just like, you know,

2977
02:18:19,959 --> 02:18:22,440
Speaker 2: pretend like they're rapping, which sucks. I hate that. And

2978
02:18:22,560 --> 02:18:25,840
Speaker 2: instead he gave the introduction, let the music show and

2979
02:18:25,840 --> 02:18:29,240
Speaker 2: then was kind of stone faced while Bud was stone faced.

2980
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:31,560
Speaker 2: I actually thought it worked completely two thumbs up, and

2981
02:18:31,600 --> 02:18:34,440
Speaker 2: I listen I have. I don't Eminem's new music to me,

2982
02:18:34,480 --> 02:18:37,160
Speaker 2: he sounds like Dad rap. There's some exception to that

2983
02:18:37,240 --> 02:18:40,000
Speaker 2: not being true, but his older stuff works better for me.

2984
02:18:40,200 --> 02:18:45,040
Speaker 2: I like any Man from Ruckus Soundbombing album. But this

2985
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:46,879
Speaker 2: was a home run. I mean this was a home

2986
02:18:46,959 --> 02:18:50,360
Speaker 2: run in every way. Bud Crawford and Eminem nailed it,

2987
02:18:50,400 --> 02:18:51,120
Speaker 2: perfect job.

2988
02:18:51,320 --> 02:18:52,600
Speaker 1: I want to shout him out because I know he

2989
02:18:52,640 --> 02:18:55,000
Speaker 1: watches the show and we love him. Biggie from the WWE.

2990
02:18:55,040 --> 02:18:56,960
Speaker 1: Do you remember when he walked out Sean Porter Andreas

2991
02:18:57,000 --> 02:18:59,560
Speaker 1: Hale actually sat up behind the scenes and did the

2992
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:02,200
Speaker 1: whole you know, the whole thing, the ho spiel. It

2993
02:19:02,320 --> 02:19:04,920
Speaker 1: was fantastic as well. I love that stuff. Uh luke,

2994
02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:10,039
Speaker 1: Bud got to last, laugh, laugh, last, excuse me, but

2995
02:19:10,280 --> 02:19:13,600
Speaker 1: so did Bomack, all them fat jokes all week. I

2996
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:17,160
Speaker 1: actually popped huge for watching this play out in the

2997
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:21,320
Speaker 1: locker room afterwards.

2998
02:19:21,959 --> 02:19:22,480
Speaker 4: And what.

2999
02:19:25,400 --> 02:19:37,120
Speaker 1: Hell Yeah, I dude, I loved that video.

3000
02:19:37,879 --> 02:19:40,520
Speaker 2: Dude goody, he got dude. Literally. For folks who don't

3001
02:19:40,520 --> 02:19:43,200
Speaker 2: follow Errol Spence on social media, like leading up to

3002
02:19:43,240 --> 02:19:46,720
Speaker 2: this fight, he would just post pictures like real photos

3003
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:51,320
Speaker 2: of Bomack eating Cheetos and then call him names. They

3004
02:19:51,320 --> 02:19:53,840
Speaker 2: called him fat on stage like they were just constantly

3005
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:56,200
Speaker 2: drilling this guy. And then for Bud to do that

3006
02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:59,600
Speaker 2: when they've had this long partnership. Dude, Good for Bowmac, Dude, seriously,

3007
02:19:59,640 --> 02:20:00,039
Speaker 2: good for.

3008
02:20:00,160 --> 02:20:03,080
Speaker 1: I seriously love to see that. After everything they've gone through.

3009
02:20:03,120 --> 02:20:06,400
Speaker 1: People did doubt them, and I doubted him.

3010
02:20:06,520 --> 02:20:09,800
Speaker 2: I doubted him. Good for Bomac. He has every right

3011
02:20:10,280 --> 02:20:12,879
Speaker 2: on a day like that, talk your shit, Bomack. You

3012
02:20:12,879 --> 02:20:13,240
Speaker 2: earned it.

3013
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:15,920
Speaker 1: There was like pure joy though right there that came out,

3014
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,600
Speaker 1: and you know that's fuel by a lot. He wasn't

3015
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:21,640
Speaker 1: the only one who laughed. Last. Tim Bradley, the great

3016
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:24,000
Speaker 1: ESPN announcer and Hall of Fame boxer. I don't know

3017
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:25,560
Speaker 1: if you remember this. She's been on the Bud train

3018
02:20:25,640 --> 02:20:29,600
Speaker 1: from like day one about his greatness. Tim Bradley posted

3019
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:33,040
Speaker 1: this video after the victory, doubt me again, doubt me again?

3020
02:20:33,440 --> 02:20:36,200
Speaker 1: All I hate everything y'all said about me? Yeah, what

3021
02:20:36,240 --> 02:20:38,320
Speaker 1: did I say? What did I say?

3022
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:40,400
Speaker 2: Told you the.

3023
02:20:40,440 --> 02:20:45,680
Speaker 1: Greatest, the greatest, the greatest. I know what I'm talking about.

3024
02:20:46,520 --> 02:20:47,560
Speaker 2: All you hate is out there.

3025
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:49,560
Speaker 1: I told.

3026
02:20:50,760 --> 02:20:53,600
Speaker 2: Good for Tim Bradley because I've seen Tim Bradley get

3027
02:20:53,680 --> 02:20:56,520
Speaker 2: killed in a million different directions. I think some of

3028
02:20:56,560 --> 02:20:59,280
Speaker 2: it is deserved, a lot of it is not, and

3029
02:20:59,360 --> 02:21:01,000
Speaker 2: he has dealt with a lot of shit. Good for

3030
02:21:01,040 --> 02:21:02,080
Speaker 2: Tim Bradley as well.

3031
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:05,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you Shaw the pure emotion here and Luke we

3032
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:08,600
Speaker 1: mentioned your reunion with Ariel Hawane, two of the biggest

3033
02:21:08,680 --> 02:21:12,640
Speaker 1: MMA broad broadcasters and journalists of all time. Let's listen

3034
02:21:12,680 --> 02:21:16,200
Speaker 1: in on this, uh diving through some hip terms like

3035
02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:17,600
Speaker 1: two old bastards. Let's listen.

3036
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:19,440
Speaker 2: Why is that Beame so cold?

3037
02:21:19,480 --> 02:21:21,680
Speaker 4: Because the kids say that he is so cold that

3038
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:25,320
Speaker 4: everything he does, and I think that's a good thing, right,

3039
02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:28,400
Speaker 4: That's what I'm told Nless you're his opponent. Well, it's

3040
02:21:28,400 --> 02:21:30,959
Speaker 4: interesting because, like they say, it's lit, which would be fire.

3041
02:21:31,640 --> 02:21:33,320
Speaker 4: Here they're saying cold because he's good.

3042
02:21:33,360 --> 02:21:34,000
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure.

3043
02:21:34,520 --> 02:21:36,360
Speaker 4: Is it like it's sort of like the hair, the

3044
02:21:36,440 --> 02:21:40,440
Speaker 4: duality the cold and the fire. What do you guys think?

3045
02:21:40,520 --> 02:21:43,400
Speaker 2: It's busting? For real? For real? Now you can shoot me?

3046
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:47,400
Speaker 4: Is that the same as riz I was told Rizz.

3047
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:49,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if that is. Let me just tell you,

3048
02:21:49,760 --> 02:21:52,680
Speaker 2: I'm I'm uninterested in the life and language of teenagers.

3049
02:21:53,120 --> 02:21:53,760
Speaker 2: Just be honest about that.

3050
02:21:53,959 --> 02:21:55,600
Speaker 4: There's like a whole new vocabulary.

3051
02:21:55,680 --> 02:21:56,680
Speaker 2: Now it's crazy.

3052
02:21:56,760 --> 02:21:58,480
Speaker 4: It's like a whole it's like a whole dictionary of

3053
02:21:58,520 --> 02:21:59,720
Speaker 4: words that I don't know what they need.

3054
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:04,959
Speaker 2: Listen, you, listen, we have two hours to fill. It

3055
02:22:04,959 --> 02:22:06,800
Speaker 2: ain't all gonna be with great analysis.

3056
02:22:06,840 --> 02:22:12,360
Speaker 1: Okay, that was so cringey of two old guys trying

3057
02:22:12,400 --> 02:22:14,920
Speaker 1: to figure out what word matches up with what else? Yeah,

3058
02:22:14,959 --> 02:22:17,360
Speaker 1: that was great. I loved it all. Right, let's go

3059
02:22:17,400 --> 02:22:21,119
Speaker 1: to Bellatur versus rise In two from Tokyo Mago med

3060
02:22:21,200 --> 02:22:24,080
Speaker 1: Mago Medoff had a really big comeback win here against

3061
02:22:24,120 --> 02:22:27,480
Speaker 1: Danny Sabatello. Luke, what do you think about Tiger's submission

3062
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:28,440
Speaker 1: lock in here.

3063
02:22:28,920 --> 02:22:31,800
Speaker 2: Dude, Danny Sabatelo really needs to figure the shit out. Man.

3064
02:22:31,879 --> 02:22:35,240
Speaker 2: The guy's positional control is great, but the problem has

3065
02:22:35,240 --> 02:22:38,080
Speaker 2: been there's not enough ground and pound and then the other. Obviously,

3066
02:22:38,080 --> 02:22:39,640
Speaker 2: his hand is trapped her even though he's using it

3067
02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:42,400
Speaker 2: to pull down the other problem. The other problem is

3068
02:22:42,440 --> 02:22:44,680
Speaker 2: that dude, there's just not he just he's using it

3069
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:47,800
Speaker 2: to walk into too much stuff that doesn't need to

3070
02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:50,480
Speaker 2: be there. He's really got to get that under control,

3071
02:22:50,520 --> 02:22:53,160
Speaker 2: because there's others. If you if you weaponized what he's

3072
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:56,360
Speaker 2: got the right way. It's extremely formidable. He hasn't figured

3073
02:22:56,360 --> 02:22:58,119
Speaker 2: that part out yet. I think this loss, and obviously

3074
02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:01,320
Speaker 2: the one before this, the s thoughts will put him

3075
02:23:01,360 --> 02:23:03,600
Speaker 2: in and it should put him on a better path.

3076
02:23:04,080 --> 02:23:06,240
Speaker 1: Fellas in the back. We can skip over the Patricio

3077
02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:09,879
Speaker 1: pipple upset knockout loss. We played that earlier. So can

3078
02:23:09,920 --> 02:23:13,440
Speaker 1: we fast forward to our KOs of the week and Luke.

3079
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:15,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes the KOs come in the game. Sometimes we're talking

3080
02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:16,520
Speaker 1: about practice.

3081
02:23:21,440 --> 02:23:30,160
Speaker 2: Oh, we're gone wrong, we're gone right. Maybe this guy

3082
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:30,879
Speaker 2: banged his sister.

3083
02:23:30,959 --> 02:23:34,560
Speaker 1: You don't know, Okay, okay, Luke. Another nominee for KO

3084
02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:36,240
Speaker 1: the Week comes in this kickboxing match.

3085
02:23:39,720 --> 02:23:42,800
Speaker 2: God damn, just get the fuck out of here, bitch. Yeah,

3086
02:23:42,879 --> 02:23:45,520
Speaker 2: go get my car, Go pick me up in my car.

3087
02:23:46,040 --> 02:23:47,959
Speaker 2: And when you pee, you pee with the seat down

3088
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:48,840
Speaker 2: and you sit down.

3089
02:23:49,560 --> 02:23:52,959
Speaker 1: Uh, you're wow, you're here. You wipe sitting down like

3090
02:23:52,959 --> 02:23:55,840
Speaker 1: a real man would. All right, don't do anything else, Luke.

3091
02:23:55,920 --> 02:23:58,560
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson had the greatest social clip of the week

3092
02:23:58,600 --> 02:24:01,760
Speaker 1: here that has gotta let up your fancy. He took

3093
02:24:01,800 --> 02:24:02,920
Speaker 1: out the old wee gun.

3094
02:24:03,560 --> 02:24:05,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I wish with this weed gun he'd come to

3095
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:08,560
Speaker 2: my house and do a drive by shooting, I really do.

3096
02:24:10,280 --> 02:24:11,879
Speaker 1: I mean, doesn't that waste a lot of it? Though?

3097
02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:14,800
Speaker 2: Who I mean, shut the fuck up, Brian Campbell? Waste

3098
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:15,600
Speaker 2: it in my face?

3099
02:24:15,720 --> 02:24:20,440
Speaker 1: Please look at Mike turning the gun on himself. You

3100
02:24:20,440 --> 02:24:22,240
Speaker 1: gotta love that. Wow. Yes.

3101
02:24:22,680 --> 02:24:24,600
Speaker 2: By the way, if anyone knows where to get this gun,

3102
02:24:24,680 --> 02:24:26,600
Speaker 2: someone tells showtime so they can buy us one for.

3103
02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:29,039
Speaker 1: Our Please please do all right? Top for your T

3104
02:24:29,160 --> 02:24:31,880
Speaker 1: shirts of the week, Luke, Look, this lady just loves

3105
02:24:31,879 --> 02:24:34,400
Speaker 1: her American logger and I'm not saying anything different to her.

3106
02:24:34,760 --> 02:24:42,080
Speaker 2: If you like my mountains, you'll love me. Do you

3107
02:24:42,120 --> 02:24:45,039
Speaker 2: just know she's got the worst tattoos in America? You

3108
02:24:45,160 --> 02:24:45,720
Speaker 2: just know?

3109
02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:49,120
Speaker 1: Shout out to my favorite Instagram channel at HOGI farts

3110
02:24:49,320 --> 02:24:52,880
Speaker 1: for this one. But is it better than this T shirt? Luke?

3111
02:24:55,400 --> 02:24:59,360
Speaker 2: Let me pee? Okay? All right? I mean, if this

3112
02:24:59,400 --> 02:25:01,400
Speaker 2: guy los a bet or is he just a complete

3113
02:25:01,440 --> 02:25:03,920
Speaker 2: fucking idiot? I really don't know, but he may.

3114
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:06,320
Speaker 1: Have gotten this show canceled time for some Dix in

3115
02:25:06,320 --> 02:25:08,480
Speaker 1: the wild. Luke, you gotta love him. Grandma makes the

3116
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:11,760
Speaker 1: makes the cake, the birthday cake for the grandson here.

3117
02:25:11,800 --> 02:25:15,320
Speaker 2: But hey, Grammy, Grammy, were having some issue. Look at

3118
02:25:15,320 --> 02:25:17,160
Speaker 2: the toothpick holding up that sad hog.

3119
02:25:18,440 --> 02:25:21,480
Speaker 1: You look at the unit on that guy. Wow, all right, hey,

3120
02:25:21,480 --> 02:25:24,040
Speaker 1: it's always time for real recognizing reel in these parts.

3121
02:25:24,040 --> 02:25:27,080
Speaker 1: Did you see Michael Chandler and the snake? No not,

3122
02:25:27,440 --> 02:25:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't mean TJ Della Shaw look this one.

3123
02:25:34,320 --> 02:25:39,960
Speaker 2: Why is he messing with that snake? Just leave it alone?

3124
02:25:40,680 --> 02:25:47,959
Speaker 1: Oh, it gets worse, Michael, Michael did dug it all, He's.

3125
02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:54,440
Speaker 2: Gonna pick it up. Dude, Get the fuck out of here.

3126
02:25:54,760 --> 02:25:55,840
Speaker 2: Get what the fuck?

3127
02:25:56,560 --> 02:25:56,760
Speaker 1: Dude?

3128
02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:59,760
Speaker 2: You know a guy is from Tennessee and or Australia

3129
02:25:59,800 --> 02:26:00,760
Speaker 2: when are doing this shit?

3130
02:26:00,959 --> 02:26:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Bookie is not here for a long time.

3131
02:26:02,920 --> 02:26:05,039
Speaker 1: I just wanted to remind you of that. Let this

3132
02:26:05,320 --> 02:26:05,640
Speaker 1: Let this.

3133
02:26:05,640 --> 02:26:07,920
Speaker 2: Be a remind fucking snake go, bro, Let that fucking

3134
02:26:07,959 --> 02:26:12,119
Speaker 2: snake go. Yeah yeah, yeah, not at all.

3135
02:26:12,200 --> 02:26:14,600
Speaker 1: No, uh no. Lightweights were harmed in the filming of

3136
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:17,880
Speaker 1: this clip, though, Luke. Luckily, let's keep the real theme going.

3137
02:26:18,280 --> 02:26:23,840
Speaker 1: Here's John Bones Jones and you guessed it, Luke at Zuck,

3138
02:26:24,080 --> 02:26:26,680
Speaker 1: what's going on here, Luke, This.

3139
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:29,360
Speaker 2: Dude is so desperate to wash not even not even

3140
02:26:29,440 --> 02:26:32,800
Speaker 2: Johnny Bones, but Zuck is so desperate to launder his

3141
02:26:32,879 --> 02:26:35,680
Speaker 2: image by getting fighters to be his friends. Amazing.

3142
02:26:36,200 --> 02:26:39,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, is that at Meta headquarters? Luke, I don't know.

3143
02:26:39,680 --> 02:26:42,039
Speaker 2: I don't care. I absolutely don't care.

3144
02:26:42,320 --> 02:26:46,200
Speaker 1: Okay, our final recollection here of real coming together?

3145
02:26:46,320 --> 02:26:46,520
Speaker 2: Luke.

3146
02:26:46,520 --> 02:26:49,640
Speaker 1: Did you see this bromance between Mike Perry and Joel Romero.

3147
02:26:50,120 --> 02:26:53,840
Speaker 1: First they were playing soccer, Now they're traveling to the

3148
02:26:53,879 --> 02:26:57,280
Speaker 1: Middle East together? Luke, this is somebody get a reality

3149
02:26:57,320 --> 02:26:59,520
Speaker 1: show together pronto with these two.

3150
02:26:59,560 --> 02:27:02,560
Speaker 2: Are you in dude? I saw that they swam in

3151
02:27:02,600 --> 02:27:04,600
Speaker 2: the Dead Sea. First of all, I have also swam

3152
02:27:04,600 --> 02:27:07,640
Speaker 2: in the Dead Sea. It's a pretty incredible experience. But

3153
02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:10,000
Speaker 2: more to that point, if they're not filming this and

3154
02:27:10,040 --> 02:27:13,640
Speaker 2: putting it on social media, what is the even the point? Yesh,

3155
02:27:13,720 --> 02:27:15,320
Speaker 2: my god, put a camera on these two.

3156
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:17,080
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I believe they were with the

3157
02:27:17,160 --> 02:27:20,600
Speaker 1: Kawah Bros. Out there and visiting the ruins and Jordan

3158
02:27:20,680 --> 02:27:21,800
Speaker 1: and all that. Is that right?

3159
02:27:21,959 --> 02:27:22,360
Speaker 2: That's right?

3160
02:27:22,440 --> 02:27:25,480
Speaker 1: Right? What's that place with that hidden city? Is that Jordan? Yes?

3161
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:27,160
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean yeah, more or less?

3162
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:30,680
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, more or less? Oh, Luke, Magic Johnson and

3163
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:32,879
Speaker 1: Company are the new owners of the Commanders. What do

3164
02:27:32,879 --> 02:27:33,800
Speaker 1: you think of their new logo.

3165
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:38,959
Speaker 2: I've seen this. I've seen this as Native American guy

3166
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:41,080
Speaker 2: wore the Caucasians T shirt. I think it's funny. Didn't

3167
02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:41,760
Speaker 2: bother me at all.

3168
02:27:42,280 --> 02:27:45,160
Speaker 1: All right, Tom, for ball breakers of the week, Let's

3169
02:27:45,200 --> 02:27:49,199
Speaker 1: go to one championship here. This is some serious gnp Luke.

3170
02:27:50,680 --> 02:27:54,880
Speaker 2: Oh damn right, Yo, just yo, yo. You ain't never

3171
02:27:54,920 --> 02:27:56,280
Speaker 2: gonna have kids after this matter.

3172
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:02,359
Speaker 1: This next man empted a Guinness Book of World Records

3173
02:28:02,400 --> 02:28:05,000
Speaker 1: to break the most amount of PBC pipes with his

3174
02:28:05,160 --> 02:28:07,400
Speaker 1: ball bag. Luke. Let's see if he achieved.

3175
02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:13,879
Speaker 2: I can't believe he's white BC. It seems so out

3176
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:14,840
Speaker 2: of character for him.

3177
02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes. I'm not sure if this next guy

3178
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:21,039
Speaker 1: is related to him. But have you ever thought about

3179
02:28:21,080 --> 02:28:24,400
Speaker 1: jumping off of a three story building and hitting the

3180
02:28:24,400 --> 02:28:25,480
Speaker 1: ground without getting injured?

3181
02:28:25,560 --> 02:28:35,560
Speaker 2: Luke? Dude, these crackers. I mean, the entire premise of

3182
02:28:35,600 --> 02:28:39,800
Speaker 2: this is to fall through a tree, to slowly break

3183
02:28:39,840 --> 02:28:41,840
Speaker 2: your fall so that by the time you get to

3184
02:28:41,879 --> 02:28:50,039
Speaker 2: the ground it hurts but is otherwise not cataclysmic. That's

3185
02:28:50,120 --> 02:28:52,200
Speaker 2: the first of all, they should allow guys to do

3186
02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:54,360
Speaker 2: this on the condition that they get a vasectomy first,

3187
02:28:54,400 --> 02:28:55,760
Speaker 2: so they cannot impregnate anyone.

3188
02:28:55,920 --> 02:29:00,160
Speaker 1: Oh, luke, this is the vasectomy, so you know they

3189
02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:02,200
Speaker 1: got Okay.

3190
02:29:01,640 --> 02:29:03,280
Speaker 2: Fair enough, well played, well played.

3191
02:29:03,560 --> 02:29:05,520
Speaker 1: All right, let's go over to the carnival for your

3192
02:29:05,520 --> 02:29:07,160
Speaker 1: slam dunk of the week. How many times have you

3193
02:29:07,160 --> 02:29:15,120
Speaker 1: wanted to do this in your life? I mean, it's

3194
02:29:15,160 --> 02:29:16,960
Speaker 1: the only way to be a thing to do.

3195
02:29:17,440 --> 02:29:19,039
Speaker 2: It's an asshole thing to do to the poor people

3196
02:29:19,160 --> 02:29:21,320
Speaker 2: just working. They're trying to do their jobs. But that

3197
02:29:21,440 --> 02:29:24,000
Speaker 2: is hilarious because those hoops.

3198
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:25,720
Speaker 1: Are always rigged. The balls are too big for the

3199
02:29:25,760 --> 02:29:27,440
Speaker 1: whole Luke, you know what I'm talking about? Right?

3200
02:29:27,560 --> 02:29:28,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know.

3201
02:29:29,080 --> 02:29:31,240
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Beard. No, first we go

3202
02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:33,840
Speaker 1: to the dojo. Let's go donging in the dojo. I

3203
02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:35,640
Speaker 1: don't know what this video is. I forgot. You tell me.

3204
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:40,000
Speaker 2: Oh, he's just like doing the whole death touch thing.

3205
02:29:40,080 --> 02:29:41,560
Speaker 2: And now they're just touching tips.

3206
02:29:41,959 --> 02:29:44,760
Speaker 1: So is the tip of his pen wah, reducing this

3207
02:29:44,800 --> 02:29:45,560
Speaker 1: guy to nothing?

3208
02:29:45,879 --> 02:29:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is how BC and I met. It

3209
02:29:47,720 --> 02:29:51,160
Speaker 2: looked just like this. We just touched tips.

3210
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:53,960
Speaker 1: All right, I'm already sick of that video. Let's keep

3211
02:29:54,000 --> 02:29:56,680
Speaker 1: it going here. Let's go over to beer Toberfest. Watch

3212
02:29:56,760 --> 02:29:58,360
Speaker 1: this waiter pull off the impossible.

3213
02:30:01,640 --> 02:30:07,160
Speaker 2: Uh oh, dude, he're getting fired like a bitch for that.

3214
02:30:07,440 --> 02:30:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, spoiler alert. He didn't pull it off, Luke. He

3215
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:11,320
Speaker 1: pulled it off the tray. That's what he did. That

3216
02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:13,440
Speaker 1: guy will not wow look at that. Wow.

3217
02:30:13,680 --> 02:30:14,120
Speaker 2: All right?

3218
02:30:14,760 --> 02:30:16,640
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what my favorite time is this time

3219
02:30:16,680 --> 02:30:20,240
Speaker 1: to rate that tat, Luke. Let's go over to this

3220
02:30:20,320 --> 02:30:26,879
Speaker 1: fish tit tat.

3221
02:30:24,800 --> 02:30:27,240
Speaker 2: Not a great tattoo. Not a great tattoo.

3222
02:30:27,320 --> 02:30:29,240
Speaker 1: Would you say that's about as useful as tits on

3223
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:31,360
Speaker 1: the bowl? Luke? I've never known what that is meant,

3224
02:30:31,400 --> 02:30:31,680
Speaker 1: have you.

3225
02:30:33,560 --> 02:30:35,080
Speaker 2: Well, the idea would be that you don't need to

3226
02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:37,520
Speaker 2: use them, right, You're not gonna actually milk anything with

3227
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:40,000
Speaker 2: them in this particular kid. Yeah, this one's this one

3228
02:30:40,040 --> 02:30:41,920
Speaker 2: is a mess. That one's beat up. The line work

3229
02:30:42,040 --> 02:30:43,840
Speaker 2: is trash, it's not good.

3230
02:30:44,400 --> 02:30:46,160
Speaker 1: Our final tattoo is pretty extreme.

3231
02:30:46,200 --> 02:30:50,920
Speaker 2: You tell me if you like this, you can't unmountain

3232
02:30:51,000 --> 02:30:56,200
Speaker 2: do what's already been mountain done. Actually, that's a very

3233
02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:59,080
Speaker 2: good tattoo. That's a very good tattoo. That's this is

3234
02:30:59,080 --> 02:31:01,959
Speaker 2: what you would call like it's like a version of

3235
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:05,280
Speaker 2: American traditional aesthetic, but it's a little bit new school.

3236
02:31:05,640 --> 02:31:09,080
Speaker 2: But it's well done. It's I mean, I wouldn't get it,

3237
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:10,080
Speaker 2: but it's well done.

3238
02:31:10,360 --> 02:31:12,400
Speaker 1: It is well done. Is that a trash panda? What

3239
02:31:12,520 --> 02:31:13,240
Speaker 1: kind of animal is that?

3240
02:31:13,520 --> 02:31:15,680
Speaker 2: I think I'm not exactly sure what the fuck that is,

3241
02:31:15,720 --> 02:31:18,600
Speaker 2: but maybe like like a possum could be right.

3242
02:31:18,879 --> 02:31:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, time for some good street fights. You put a

3243
02:31:21,640 --> 02:31:23,640
Speaker 1: lot of white dudes around a pool, Luke, somebody's gonna

3244
02:31:23,640 --> 02:31:27,200
Speaker 1: throw a punch. But watch this double leg. That really

3245
02:31:27,200 --> 02:31:29,360
Speaker 1: stole the show. Nothing a double legg couldn't figure out.

3246
02:31:29,440 --> 02:31:30,400
Speaker 1: Check this out?

3247
02:31:30,720 --> 02:31:32,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so they start swinging like bitches.

3248
02:31:32,720 --> 02:31:37,560
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah.

3249
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:39,600
Speaker 2: Dude, what do you think they're fighting over? This is?

3250
02:31:39,680 --> 02:31:44,560
Speaker 2: That's really okay? White guy's gonna fight chicks and Luke, probably, dude,

3251
02:31:44,560 --> 02:31:47,360
Speaker 2: there are no chicks there. Look, it's nothing but dudes,

3252
02:31:48,440 --> 02:31:51,320
Speaker 2: it's nothing but dudes. Wow.

3253
02:31:51,560 --> 02:31:54,520
Speaker 1: Wow, all right. Our final street fight of the week

3254
02:31:54,520 --> 02:31:56,800
Speaker 1: comes from this deck hockey game. I used to play

3255
02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:59,000
Speaker 1: deck hockey in Waterbury, Connecticut. A lot of fights, Luke,

3256
02:31:59,000 --> 02:31:59,680
Speaker 1: A lot of fights.

3257
02:32:01,280 --> 02:32:04,480
Speaker 2: I love hockey fights. Oh shit, Oh they went to

3258
02:32:04,480 --> 02:32:05,320
Speaker 2: work on each other.

3259
02:32:05,640 --> 02:32:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah they did with the stick.

3260
02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:09,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but you know what, if you get pushed,

3261
02:32:09,240 --> 02:32:11,039
Speaker 2: it's kind of a dick move to throw the stick.

3262
02:32:11,560 --> 02:32:13,000
Speaker 2: So he kind of had it coming, you know what

3263
02:32:13,040 --> 02:32:15,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, I feel like, if someone shoves you,

3264
02:32:15,280 --> 02:32:17,080
Speaker 2: it's okay to shove them back. If you get hit,

3265
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:19,240
Speaker 2: you can hit back. But then when you start resorting

3266
02:32:19,240 --> 02:32:22,000
Speaker 2: to the high sticking, that's when the problems start.

3267
02:32:22,280 --> 02:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Luke BC's feces isn't all fails. Sometimes we highlight wholesome wins.

3268
02:32:26,400 --> 02:32:31,360
Speaker 1: How about mkp one Chef Kaz earning his purple belt

3269
02:32:31,720 --> 02:32:32,920
Speaker 1: and Jesuit's into this.

3270
02:32:33,320 --> 02:32:35,680
Speaker 2: Hey, that's great, that's legit. Now he doesn't have the

3271
02:32:35,720 --> 02:32:38,920
Speaker 2: weird shit hanging off of his body, but that's a

3272
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:41,400
Speaker 2: legit achievement. They don't hand those out. You gotta earn it.

3273
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:43,440
Speaker 2: He tied it like a bit like a weirdo. But

3274
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:45,920
Speaker 2: it's okay now, Luke.

3275
02:32:45,959 --> 02:32:49,480
Speaker 1: He did offer his services in Vegas for you, cook meals,

3276
02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:52,879
Speaker 1: you know, puff the bag, whatever you need.

3277
02:32:52,920 --> 02:32:55,720
Speaker 2: Don I don't really drink anymore. I don't gamble ever.

3278
02:32:56,040 --> 02:32:58,279
Speaker 2: I don't go to Vegas to hang out and socialize.

3279
02:32:58,320 --> 02:33:00,280
Speaker 2: I go to Vegas to do work in order uber

3280
02:33:00,280 --> 02:33:01,600
Speaker 2: eats in my room. That's what I do.

3281
02:33:02,440 --> 02:33:04,400
Speaker 1: Chef cast did have that idea for that reality show

3282
02:33:04,400 --> 02:33:06,400
Speaker 1: where he cost his dinner and then we all have sex. Luca,

3283
02:33:06,440 --> 02:33:07,920
Speaker 1: I was a little bit bold. It was a little

3284
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:11,480
Speaker 1: bit bold, but you know it was Yeah, there you go, right.

3285
02:33:11,560 --> 02:33:14,000
Speaker 1: I love your chef cast. Thank you very much. All right, Luke,

3286
02:33:14,040 --> 02:33:17,600
Speaker 1: this was you, unfortunately after asking your dad to watch

3287
02:33:17,680 --> 02:33:30,040
Speaker 1: our cbssn MK takeover episode on Thursday. Oh, sorry about that, Luke,

3288
02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:33,560
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. Yeah, Oh that is sick.

3289
02:33:34,280 --> 02:33:35,800
Speaker 2: By the way, I sent him a picture of Dad.

3290
02:33:36,200 --> 02:33:37,959
Speaker 2: I told my dad I got home yesterday, because he did.

3291
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:40,000
Speaker 2: He did want to know about the travel. And then

3292
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:41,640
Speaker 2: I sent him a picture of like all of us

3293
02:33:41,680 --> 02:33:43,440
Speaker 2: on the stage and like the Spence Crawford thing at

3294
02:33:43,440 --> 02:33:47,440
Speaker 2: the weigh in and just no comment, just no comment, Dad.

3295
02:33:47,920 --> 02:33:51,160
Speaker 1: Come on, all right, finally, Luke, your best fails of

3296
02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:52,960
Speaker 1: the week. Let's go to the white guy on the boat.

3297
02:33:53,040 --> 02:33:57,240
Speaker 1: It's oh, it's gonna end great. We love that.

3298
02:34:01,240 --> 02:34:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck you eat that ship. How's who's your orthodontis

3299
02:34:06,520 --> 02:34:07,920
Speaker 2: the fucking motor? You know what I mean?

3300
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you better calls Luke. Yeah, that's great. This is

3301
02:34:11,800 --> 02:34:14,200
Speaker 1: the first and last mountain bike drop for this kid.

3302
02:34:14,280 --> 02:34:15,120
Speaker 1: Let's check in on this.

3303
02:34:19,280 --> 02:34:24,520
Speaker 2: Oh he just is gonna go face face first. Huh yep, yeah,

3304
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:27,960
Speaker 2: a fucking idiot, You fucking idiot. Hey, you need a

3305
02:34:27,959 --> 02:34:29,720
Speaker 2: little bit more speed, and b you gotta pull up.

3306
02:34:29,760 --> 02:34:31,760
Speaker 2: You don't just run the ship forward, you moron.

3307
02:34:32,400 --> 02:34:34,560
Speaker 1: And finally, our biggest fellow the week goes to this

3308
02:34:34,680 --> 02:34:37,200
Speaker 1: birthday celebration gone wrong, Luke. Is this how they do

3309
02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:38,119
Speaker 1: it in Columbia or what.

3310
02:34:40,720 --> 02:34:46,520
Speaker 2: Not that I've seen? Okay, Okay, they can stop now, Okay. Oh,

3311
02:34:49,560 --> 02:34:51,240
Speaker 2: I like how this party is like we're just gonna

3312
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:53,640
Speaker 2: spray you with things that are flammable and then just

3313
02:34:53,760 --> 02:34:54,520
Speaker 2: light it on fire.

3314
02:34:55,240 --> 02:34:57,760
Speaker 1: No, this was not our Kelly's birthday party, Luke, because

3315
02:34:57,760 --> 02:35:00,960
Speaker 1: he's in the can, but it did have similar endings there.

3316
02:35:01,720 --> 02:35:03,800
Speaker 1: That's the ship of the week. Wow, two and a

3317
02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:05,800
Speaker 1: half hours. Look, I don't know, you know, this might

3318
02:35:05,800 --> 02:35:08,240
Speaker 1: be the best show in combat sports history. It might be.

3319
02:35:07,879 --> 02:35:08,879
Speaker 1: It might just be.

3320
02:35:09,400 --> 02:35:12,039
Speaker 2: It might just be, Hey, one more time to everyone,

3321
02:35:12,520 --> 02:35:15,080
Speaker 2: thank you so much for making last week and then

3322
02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:18,600
Speaker 2: the weekend such a I tell you, folks. I mean,

3323
02:35:18,680 --> 02:35:21,320
Speaker 2: you know, we haven't talked to everyone, but from what

3324
02:35:21,320 --> 02:35:23,920
Speaker 2: we understand on the CBS side, they were very happy

3325
02:35:23,959 --> 02:35:26,039
Speaker 2: with the two hour show that BC and I did

3326
02:35:26,720 --> 02:35:29,560
Speaker 2: to get you guys ready for Spence Crawford. You know,

3327
02:35:29,720 --> 02:35:31,800
Speaker 2: MK on Friday was tough for me. I'm not gonna lie.

3328
02:35:31,959 --> 02:35:35,160
Speaker 2: That was a little bit tough. But Kid Abdill watched it.

3329
02:35:35,240 --> 02:35:36,640
Speaker 2: She actually was like talking about it with me. I

3330
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:41,400
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it, but she watched What Friday is MK. Wow,

3331
02:35:41,520 --> 02:35:45,600
Speaker 2: all right, k Yeah, she was. She was referencing things

3332
02:35:45,640 --> 02:35:47,160
Speaker 2: and she was like asking me about certain things in

3333
02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:48,280
Speaker 2: the show. So that was pretty cool.

3334
02:35:48,360 --> 02:35:50,400
Speaker 1: Did you talk to her about her boxing? She trains

3335
02:35:50,440 --> 02:35:51,520
Speaker 1: with Malik Scott.

3336
02:35:51,959 --> 02:35:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm dead dude. She she told us she would

3337
02:35:54,600 --> 02:35:57,039
Speaker 2: take an opponent, she would take an opponent.

3338
02:35:57,520 --> 02:35:59,160
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you know this, look, but

3339
02:35:59,200 --> 02:36:01,560
Speaker 1: Showtime's Courtney Meg one of our favorite people in the world.

3340
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:02,840
Speaker 1: She you know, she boxes.

3341
02:36:06,360 --> 02:36:09,240
Speaker 2: I don't know who's better because I've never seen Kate Abdoll,

3342
02:36:09,320 --> 02:36:12,720
Speaker 2: but you know, Kate Abdoll will knuckle you into the

3343
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:13,560
Speaker 2: ground if you let her.

3344
02:36:14,280 --> 02:36:15,080
Speaker 1: Monday there you go.

3345
02:36:15,160 --> 02:36:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, I just want to say I want

3346
02:36:16,840 --> 02:36:18,600
Speaker 2: to thank Showtime for the opportunity to go and cover

3347
02:36:18,640 --> 02:36:20,720
Speaker 2: a fight like that. And again, one more time to

3348
02:36:20,760 --> 02:36:23,720
Speaker 2: everybody who paid attention last week. You know, whether you

3349
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:26,240
Speaker 2: watch the Spence Dissected preview, whether you watched any of

3350
02:36:26,280 --> 02:36:28,440
Speaker 2: the mks, whether you support us on CBS, whether you

3351
02:36:28,480 --> 02:36:31,400
Speaker 2: watch the live stream, send a nice note. Whatever you

3352
02:36:31,440 --> 02:36:34,039
Speaker 2: did to help us and help the show. We felt it,

3353
02:36:34,120 --> 02:36:36,680
Speaker 2: we saw it. Thank you, guys, thank you, thank you,

3354
02:36:36,720 --> 02:36:39,560
Speaker 2: thank you. Really really cool. What a weekend, man, I'm

3355
02:36:39,560 --> 02:36:42,160
Speaker 2: exhausted I do when that alarm went off this morning. Man,

3356
02:36:42,160 --> 02:36:44,640
Speaker 2: I'm told you earlier. I was fucking yea dying. I

3357
02:36:44,680 --> 02:36:46,720
Speaker 2: did not want to get up. I didn't I didn't

3358
02:36:46,720 --> 02:36:48,199
Speaker 2: sleep at all last week.

3359
02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:52,440
Speaker 1: But VA's gonna feel good, Luke. I mean people, people

3360
02:36:52,440 --> 02:36:54,960
Speaker 1: have grown at our us taking two vacations a year,

3361
02:36:55,000 --> 02:36:57,560
Speaker 1: but you know we do have wives and kids and families.

3362
02:36:57,560 --> 02:36:59,680
Speaker 1: So I'll be gone in a couple of weeks. You'll

3363
02:36:59,720 --> 02:37:01,240
Speaker 1: be gone the week after, right.

3364
02:37:01,360 --> 02:37:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, more or less. There's a little bit of overlap,

3365
02:37:03,040 --> 02:37:06,240
Speaker 2: but not much. I don't think I'm leaving until the thirteenth.

3366
02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:08,920
Speaker 2: There's a the Showtime is coming to d C on

3367
02:37:08,959 --> 02:37:11,400
Speaker 2: the twelfth, Yes, for one of the Russell brothers. I'm

3368
02:37:11,400 --> 02:37:12,200
Speaker 2: gonna be there for that.

3369
02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:16,520
Speaker 1: But in Hill, Maryland, Yeah yeah, I dude, I used.

3370
02:37:16,400 --> 02:37:18,120
Speaker 2: To live in Oxen Hill, Maryland. I got robbed in

3371
02:37:18,200 --> 02:37:21,160
Speaker 2: Oxen Hill, Maryland. So you're gonna go okay.

3372
02:37:20,920 --> 02:37:23,960
Speaker 1: But this is enjoyed, this combat sports weekend, and they say, well,

3373
02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:25,960
Speaker 1: what's next? What is next? When you look to the

3374
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:27,279
Speaker 1: future next couple of months.

3375
02:37:27,440 --> 02:37:30,400
Speaker 2: I mean, we got so Canello at the end of September.

3376
02:37:30,440 --> 02:37:33,480
Speaker 2: That'll be a big one. Obviously, Dude, Corey Sandhagen fights

3377
02:37:33,520 --> 02:37:36,200
Speaker 2: this upcoming weekend. That's gonna be great. Can't wait to him,

3378
02:37:36,320 --> 02:37:38,360
Speaker 2: can't wait to see him lock it down with Rob

3379
02:37:38,400 --> 02:37:41,080
Speaker 2: font That'll be a lot of fun. John Jones, not

3380
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:43,840
Speaker 2: too It's nothing else. The rest the rest of the

3381
02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:47,600
Speaker 2: summer is not necessarily that great. But the late fall

3382
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:51,440
Speaker 2: early winter start again. Remember, so we're gonna get Hainy

3383
02:37:51,520 --> 02:37:53,880
Speaker 2: and pro Gray on the same day we get Fury

3384
02:37:53,879 --> 02:37:56,000
Speaker 2: and then Gone and one will be earlier so they

3385
02:37:56,000 --> 02:37:57,720
Speaker 2: don't have to overlap. That's gonna be a big day.

3386
02:37:57,720 --> 02:38:00,280
Speaker 2: October twenty eighth. Shoot what I'm saying so like, so

3387
02:38:00,440 --> 02:38:02,600
Speaker 2: October November is gonna be kind of big. I don't

3388
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:04,200
Speaker 2: know how big August is gonna be, but the rest

3389
02:38:04,200 --> 02:38:05,600
Speaker 2: of it's gonna be pretty cool. And then, of course,

3390
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:10,240
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, September, I can. Yeah, I was gonna

3391
02:38:10,240 --> 02:38:12,199
Speaker 2: say UFC doing the show in Vegas on the sixteenth,

3392
02:38:12,200 --> 02:38:13,560
Speaker 2: like it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good.

3393
02:38:13,640 --> 02:38:16,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, we'll have some filling guests. Luke will have

3394
02:38:16,840 --> 02:38:18,840
Speaker 1: some great content in August, but we're gonna take a

3395
02:38:18,840 --> 02:38:21,800
Speaker 1: step away and uh then we'll come back bang in

3396
02:38:21,879 --> 02:38:23,240
Speaker 1: this fall. It's gonna be a big one. I think

3397
02:38:23,280 --> 02:38:25,400
Speaker 1: we got morel Benaveita's this fall. We got a lot

3398
02:38:25,400 --> 02:38:28,840
Speaker 1: of good stuff coming across box and MMA. Indeed, all right, well.

3399
02:38:28,760 --> 02:38:30,800
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you I can't even complain anymore. I

3400
02:38:30,840 --> 02:38:33,720
Speaker 2: got the fight that I wanted, and it delivered more

3401
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:38,000
Speaker 2: than I ever ever ever thought possible. I truly mean

3402
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:40,240
Speaker 2: that that fight delivered in ways I did not imagine

3403
02:38:40,280 --> 02:38:44,199
Speaker 2: it could. And fuck, dude, that was great.

3404
02:38:44,400 --> 02:38:46,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we didn't even we didn't even answer this question.

3405
02:38:46,400 --> 02:38:48,360
Speaker 1: Who's boxing's new pound for poun number one? I mean,

3406
02:38:48,400 --> 02:38:49,600
Speaker 1: it's it's but Crawford.

3407
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:55,440
Speaker 2: Itwford, Dude. He annihilated Errol Spence, a top five pound

3408
02:38:55,480 --> 02:38:57,720
Speaker 2: for pound guy. Stephen Fulton is very good and I

3409
02:38:57,760 --> 02:39:00,520
Speaker 2: respect him, but he ain't that and and that one

3410
02:39:00,600 --> 02:39:02,160
Speaker 2: was at least, you know, I mean in a way

3411
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:04,000
Speaker 2: put them away quicker. But that was at least, you know,

3412
02:39:04,480 --> 02:39:07,760
Speaker 2: semi not competitive. But no, it was. You know, there

3413
02:39:07,760 --> 02:39:11,800
Speaker 2: are reasonable amounts of punching that was done by that

3414
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:15,400
Speaker 2: was done by cool boy staff. No, no, no, no, no, no,

3415
02:39:15,400 --> 02:39:18,320
Speaker 2: it's Bud Crawford. It's Bud Crawford. That's the best boxer

3416
02:39:18,360 --> 02:39:21,120
Speaker 2: I've seen in a long, long time. Man, he is.

3417
02:39:21,400 --> 02:39:23,560
Speaker 2: He is the definition of special.

3418
02:39:24,120 --> 02:39:28,640
Speaker 1: So indeed, Luke Thomas, please everybody check out the dissected

3419
02:39:28,800 --> 02:39:32,959
Speaker 1: Luke Thomas breaking down. Yeah, right now, what Bud did, well,

3420
02:39:33,080 --> 02:39:35,160
Speaker 1: we got video, we got video rights, Luke, So that's

3421
02:39:35,200 --> 02:39:36,080
Speaker 1: even better on second.

3422
02:39:36,160 --> 02:39:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the way it works. So I'm so

3423
02:39:38,720 --> 02:39:40,480
Speaker 2: glad we have it and it's up right now. Please

3424
02:39:40,520 --> 02:39:42,720
Speaker 2: go check it out YouTube dot com, Slash Morning Combat

3425
02:39:43,200 --> 02:39:45,440
Speaker 2: and check out BC's postfight show if you haven't. I

3426
02:39:45,440 --> 02:39:48,360
Speaker 2: did a post fight show for Spencer Crawford. I'm gonna

3427
02:39:48,360 --> 02:39:50,440
Speaker 2: take the day off tomorrow with my daughter and just

3428
02:39:50,520 --> 02:39:52,440
Speaker 2: hang out with her. I'm not going to answer emails,

3429
02:39:52,480 --> 02:39:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do calls. I'm not going to

3430
02:39:53,879 --> 02:39:56,720
Speaker 2: do shit tomorrow except hang out with my my my

3431
02:39:56,840 --> 02:39:59,080
Speaker 2: kid and my family, which I think is long overdue,

3432
02:39:59,520 --> 02:40:01,960
Speaker 2: but U dude, I love this fucking show. I loved

3433
02:40:02,040 --> 02:40:05,440
Speaker 2: last weekend. I needed a little boost, a morale boost,

3434
02:40:05,480 --> 02:40:06,760
Speaker 2: like the Fire Game. It kind of brought me down

3435
02:40:06,800 --> 02:40:08,480
Speaker 2: a little bit, not down, but I don't know. You

3436
02:40:08,520 --> 02:40:11,360
Speaker 2: get old and crusty and it's hard to feel those

3437
02:40:11,360 --> 02:40:14,039
Speaker 2: other things again, Dude, I got hit with a tidal

3438
02:40:14,080 --> 02:40:17,080
Speaker 2: wave over the weekend, so.

3439
02:40:17,280 --> 02:40:19,440
Speaker 1: Like a BE twelve shot to the buttocks, right like

3440
02:40:19,520 --> 02:40:20,800
Speaker 1: my Sada used to take.

3441
02:40:20,879 --> 02:40:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like that IV that I didn't get.

3442
02:40:23,360 --> 02:40:25,200
Speaker 2: But the one you recommended on Friday show that I

3443
02:40:25,280 --> 02:40:26,959
Speaker 2: should have gotten, you know, the hangover right.

3444
02:40:27,000 --> 02:40:30,840
Speaker 1: Well, reminder, Showbox, the New Generation is back this Friday.

3445
02:40:31,200 --> 02:40:34,080
Speaker 1: Methylhem Pennsylvania. Your BOYBC will be there. We got plenty

3446
02:40:34,160 --> 02:40:36,360
Speaker 1: on Beaten Fighters. It'd be fun, fun and games. Do

3447
02:40:36,440 --> 02:40:38,280
Speaker 1: not miss that. You can stream Showtime for free right

3448
02:40:38,320 --> 02:40:41,160
Speaker 1: now thirty days free by going to Showtime dot com.

3449
02:40:41,600 --> 02:40:43,680
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's it. That's all I got. I don't

3450
02:40:43,680 --> 02:40:44,480
Speaker 1: have anything else for it.

3451
02:40:44,600 --> 02:40:47,279
Speaker 2: So thanks to Mikey Mormile, one of the best producers

3452
02:40:47,360 --> 02:40:49,240
Speaker 2: that we're just so lucky to have them. Thanks to

3453
02:40:49,240 --> 02:40:52,480
Speaker 2: everyone a Showtime Courtney Matt Snyder did a phenomenal job

3454
02:40:52,520 --> 02:40:55,119
Speaker 2: this week, shouts to the Mulka crew who are out

3455
02:40:55,120 --> 02:40:57,320
Speaker 2: in Vegas who kept everything working the way that they

3456
02:40:57,360 --> 02:41:00,480
Speaker 2: was supposed to. Couldn't literally literally literally could not have

3457
02:41:00,520 --> 02:41:03,040
Speaker 2: done it without you. What a team effort, And thanks

3458
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:05,200
Speaker 2: to everyone who watched one more time so for Brian Campbell,

3459
02:41:05,240 --> 02:41:07,520
Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas. We appreciate you. Guys. We'll see you

3460
02:41:07,520 --> 02:41:10,080
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, and until then, may all of your gains

3461
02:41:10,320 --> 02:41:10,800
Speaker 2: be loyal