Speaker 1: Hi all, we have some exciting news to share. Paramount
Speaker 1: Plus has turned Burden of Guilt into a docuseries. You
Speaker 1: will get to meet the people involved, You'll hear from
Speaker 1: the people who have never spoken before, and you get
Speaker 1: to see where the story took place. We are so
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Speaker 1: stream it right now on Paramount Plus. Nearly two decades
Speaker 1: after her baby brother's death, Tracy Riquel Burns had finally
Speaker 1: captured the attention of law enforcement. Her fight was now
Speaker 1: their fight. And despite medical records that stated mother says
Speaker 1: two year old threw baby out of crib and that's
Speaker 1: what led to his death, Decab County officials did not
Speaker 1: think Tercy Riquel killed the four month old baby. In fact,
Speaker 1: in December nineteen ninety six, they felt they had enough
Speaker 1: evidence to indict Tracy Riquel's father, Jan Barry Sandlin. They
Speaker 1: unearthed Matthew's tiny casket from the grave twenty six years
Speaker 1: after his death. They dug into the ground, expecting dust. Instead,
Speaker 1: they struck gold. I'm Nancy Glass. This is Burden of Guilt.
Speaker 1: Episode four, The body keeps the score. After four month
Speaker 1: old Matthew's casket was exzoomed from the cemetery. It was
Speaker 1: driven to the Medical Examiner's office in Birmingham, Alabama, where
Speaker 1: a new autopsy would be performed. Medical Examiner doctor Burton,
Speaker 1: his team, and the prosecutors were present. Former Assistant District
Speaker 1: Attorney Lee and Mangone.
Speaker 2: I remember doctor Burton talking about Matthew using his name,
Speaker 2: and that really stuck with me that there was a
Speaker 2: level of compassion about the experience and not just looking
Speaker 2: at what we were doing is exhooming a body, but
Speaker 2: looking at it as trying to find out the truth
Speaker 2: of what happened to Matthew.
Speaker 1: Former Decab County District Attorney Jay Tom Morgan.
Speaker 3: Our protocol requires that when there's a death of a child,
Speaker 3: a prosecutor be present for the autopsy. It helps us
Speaker 3: understand what the doctor is going to testify to you later.
Speaker 3: When the casket was opened, that putrid smell came out,
Speaker 3: and I distinctly remember.
Speaker 1: It, and everyone was surprised by that smell because it
Speaker 1: indicated that human remains still existed. Because of that, there
Speaker 1: was hope that the exhumation would pay off. Lead Assistant
Speaker 1: District Attorney Jeff Brickman was there.
Speaker 4: I remember doctor Burton carefully opening the casket and remember seeing.
Speaker 5: A little boy completely intact.
Speaker 1: Medical examiner doctor Stephen Duntan.
Speaker 5: There was still hair on his scalp, and he was
Speaker 5: dressed as an infant would be.
Speaker 2: It was an unforgettable, horrible, unimaginable moment. I had to
Speaker 2: step away.
Speaker 3: Doctor Burton gently lift the child out of the casket,
Speaker 3: took him to the hypopsy table and cut the clothes
Speaker 3: off with the parisers.
Speaker 1: The room was equipped to record the evidence.
Speaker 3: The medical Issama has anes ray unlike the ones in
Speaker 3: an emergency room because it's on an autopsy table.
Speaker 1: And as much as you wanted the evidence to be
Speaker 1: there and this was good news, you can only imagine
Speaker 1: that for everybody in the room, it was just awful.
Speaker 1: He still looked like a baby frozen in time.
Speaker 3: So there's this little infant on the autopsy table with
Speaker 3: a camera from the S ray machine looking down on
Speaker 3: its rays are being taken. We can see on a
Speaker 3: large screen while those s rays are projecting. I had
Speaker 3: seen multiple skull fractures and babies before, and the first
Speaker 3: thing I noticed was bilateral fractures on each side of
Speaker 3: the child's skull.
Speaker 5: There was one on the left and one on the right,
Speaker 5: and it was a very complex fracture.
Speaker 6: Part of it looked like the backwards question mark.
Speaker 3: Someone may have hit this child with his fist which
Speaker 3: could have caused the question mark skull fracture.
Speaker 1: Then they took a closer look at Matthew's foot.
Speaker 3: Doctor Burton pointed out that there had been a burn
Speaker 3: on the left foot of the child. The discoloration was
Speaker 3: still there. Held us, a four and a half month
Speaker 3: old in a crib get a burn inside the foot
Speaker 3: unless it's put there by an adult, either by a
Speaker 3: cigarette cigar or maybe even a lighter. After the autopsy,
Speaker 3: we were all ready to go forward with the prosecution.
Speaker 3: Not only were we one hundred percent, but this child
Speaker 3: had been tortured before he had been violently killed.
Speaker 4: Based on the physical evidence and the fact that really
Speaker 4: this had to have been committed by an adult, and
Speaker 4: Jan Berry Sandlin was the only adult that was left
Speaker 4: with matt.
Speaker 1: The original indictment of Chan was for the murder of
Speaker 1: Matthew Golder, but after the investigation, exhumation, and autopsy, the
Speaker 1: prosecution expanded the charges.
Speaker 4: Jan Sandlin was charged with malice murder, felony murder, crew
Speaker 4: to children and aggravated assault, and we felt really good.
Speaker 1: About it, and now little Matthew would return to his
Speaker 1: place of rest.
Speaker 4: Matt was taken back to the cemetery and got to
Speaker 4: go back to sleep, and then we went back to
Speaker 4: Atlanta and got ready for trial.
Speaker 1: And while the prosecutor's office went to work, Matthew's father,
Speaker 1: Cathy's first husband, appeared.
Speaker 6: Someone in my life at the time had sought ted
Speaker 6: Golder out thinking it would be beneficial to me.
Speaker 1: Now, ted Golder was listed on Tracy Raquel's birth certificate
Speaker 1: as her father, but Kathy was having an affair with
Speaker 1: Jan when Tracy Raquel was conceived, so she didn't know
Speaker 1: who her biological father really was. And frankly, she didn't
Speaker 1: even care that much. But she had taken ted Golder's
Speaker 1: name because she didn't want to be associated with Jan
Speaker 1: Barry Sandlin. So tell me about Ted Golder.
Speaker 6: Ted Gulder was a very nice man. He really wanted
Speaker 6: to know if I was his daughter. He asked if
Speaker 6: I would do a paternity test, which I sure, you know,
Speaker 6: he was in Atlanta, I was in Savannah, and we
Speaker 6: did that. Now while we were waiting for the results
Speaker 6: to come back and we talked daily, just about things
Speaker 6: and life and people. It was a nice thing. The
Speaker 6: paternity test came back and he called and he said,
Speaker 6: you're not my daughter. And he said, you know what,
Speaker 6: you're a really nice woman. I wish the best for you,
Speaker 6: but I don't want anything else to do with you.
Speaker 1: What was that like for you?
Speaker 6: This is where it gets really hard to feel like
Speaker 6: there's not something wrong with you. And I had his name,
Speaker 6: so yeah, he said, you know, i'd appreciate it if
Speaker 6: you don't. He's my name, Golder. You're not my child.
Speaker 6: And that was it. I never heard from him again.
Speaker 1: The situation with Ted Golder was another heartbreak, but Tracy
Speaker 1: Riquel could not let this latest disappointment deter her. She
Speaker 1: had to focus on getting justice for Matthew. She knew
Speaker 1: even with the trial set, nothing about this would be easy.
Speaker 1: There were no guarantees. The second autopsy of Matthew Golder
Speaker 1: had been a revelation. What they found out amazed everyone,
Speaker 1: and one of the things they learned was that there
Speaker 1: had been a first autopsy. When they exhumed the body,
Speaker 1: they saw the markings. So where did that report go? Well,
Speaker 1: apparently in nineteen seventy one. It went home with the coroner.
Speaker 1: But this was still a very old case and there
Speaker 1: were no witnesses, so that created a lot of challenges
Speaker 1: for the prosecution. Former Assistant District Attorney Jeff Brickman.
Speaker 4: While we had prosecuted some cold cases, this was the coldest.
Speaker 4: This was frigid, and we knew when I say we
Speaker 4: Leanne and I and doctor Burton and j Tom Morgan,
Speaker 4: our boss, knew there was going to be a hefty
Speaker 4: fight in front of us at trial.
Speaker 2: I was pretty unwavering in my belief that there were
Speaker 2: only two people, two adults, who could have been involved
Speaker 2: in Matthew's murder, and it didn't make any logical sense
Speaker 2: that it would be Kathy.
Speaker 4: We were going to have to recreate history. We were
Speaker 4: going to have to put that crime scene back together.
Speaker 4: It was not by any stretch of slam dunk, and
Speaker 4: we knew that.
Speaker 1: Putting the crime scene back together started with Matthew's crib.
Speaker 3: We contacted Series and Robot. They did not have that crib,
Speaker 3: but they had the dimensions of the model, and we
Speaker 3: hired a carpenter to rebuild a crib just like that one,
Speaker 3: so the jury could see how just unlikely, not impossible
Speaker 3: for a two year old to climb over in and
Speaker 3: then throw a four month all out.
Speaker 2: It was critically important that the crib was on the
Speaker 2: second floor of their apartment, which doctor Burton told me
Speaker 2: meant that there would have been some give to the
Speaker 2: floor because it would have been on a wood and
Speaker 2: a subfloor as opposed to being on concrete on a
Speaker 2: concrete slab, and so there just was no way for
Speaker 2: the amount of force that would have been required for
Speaker 2: those injuries to have been generated by a fall onto
Speaker 2: a floor of that type.
Speaker 1: There were several witnesses that had to be prepared for
Speaker 1: the trial, including Tracy Riquel's mother, Kathy Almond. She would
Speaker 1: turn out to be one of the state's key witnesses.
Speaker 1: Lee and Mangum was the person who prepared Kathy, and
Speaker 1: she had a lot of time to observe her behavior.
Speaker 2: I remember that Kathy was quiet and passive. It was
Speaker 2: clear that Kathy was still scared of jam.
Speaker 1: And Kathy was sticking to her story.
Speaker 2: She was very clear on the timeline of what happened
Speaker 2: to the day that Matthew died.
Speaker 1: She said that when she came home from running errands,
Speaker 1: She took Tracy Raquel into the apartment, and then Jan
Speaker 1: instructed her to get the laundry out of the car.
Speaker 1: When she came back upstairs, she found Matthew on the
Speaker 1: floor unresponsive.
Speaker 2: I remember Kathy seemingly knowing what really had happened, but
Speaker 2: not being willing to admit that to herself. But I
Speaker 2: suspect on some level, Kathy always knew that that story
Speaker 2: didn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Jeff Brickman said earlier that the case wasn't a slam dunk.
Speaker 1: One reason for that was Sandland's lawyer.
Speaker 2: Krin Mall was Jan Barry Sandlin's defense attorney. Corin Mall
Speaker 2: was an incredibly effective advocate in every trial where I faced.
Speaker 4: Her, Leanne and I knew karenn we had had cases
Speaker 4: against her. She was very calm, durable. In this particular courtroom,
Speaker 4: she and Judge Fuller got along well. He respected her,
Speaker 4: as did other judges, but that was sort of like
Speaker 4: her home turf, and Karen was a bulldog.
Speaker 1: The media and the public were fascinated by the case.
Speaker 1: A little girl, a two year old who had been
Speaker 1: framed for her brother's death, grows up and realizes it's
Speaker 1: all a lie. The courthouse opened its doors on July ninth,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 7: Everybody gets your sixth place.
Speaker 1: Tracy Raquel sat in the District Attorney's office waiting to
Speaker 1: be sworn in.
Speaker 7: All right, all.
Speaker 8: Get happenning me see you please.
Speaker 1: Facing the bench was Jan Barry Sandlin and a white
Speaker 1: Oxford shirt and pattern tie. He rocked back and forth
Speaker 1: in his chair with a wad of gum in his
Speaker 1: right cheek.
Speaker 9: Counsel Great proceed with his.
Speaker 1: Attorney seated next to him. Jan's appearance was confident, cocky,
Speaker 1: making direct eye contact with anyone who spoke to him
Speaker 1: or about him. So how do we know all those details? Well,
Speaker 1: the trial was recorded. Today we're used to seeing court
Speaker 1: cases on television, but back in nineteen ninety seven it
Speaker 1: was still relatively new. Judge Hilton Fuller Junior felt the
Speaker 1: public should be able to see the court proceedings in
Speaker 1: real time. The presence of a TV camera would have
Speaker 1: a major impact on the case. Because Judge Fuller gave
Speaker 1: clear instructions during the trial.
Speaker 9: Art the real sequestration has been in Boca. I expect
Speaker 9: that the attorneys to make sure that all witnesses understand
Speaker 9: that they're not to discuss the case with each other.
Speaker 1: Sequestration also meant that a witness could not watch the
Speaker 1: trial on television.
Speaker 9: We're now ready for opening statements, mister, when you wish
Speaker 9: to make an opening statement.
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, thank you may perceived thank you.
Speaker 5: N Stephen Golder was on death's doorstep when he arrived
Speaker 5: at the Decab General Hospital on the evening of December
Speaker 5: twenty seventh, nineteen hundred and seventy one.
Speaker 1: Jeff Brickman opened the day by describing the injuries Matthew
Speaker 1: sustained on the day of his death and the efforts
Speaker 1: the medical team made to save him. He shared details
Speaker 1: about Matthew's original autopsy and original death certificate that had
Speaker 1: categorized the baby's death as an accident.
Speaker 5: Jan Barry Sandlin while alone and while in immediate control
Speaker 5: over Matthew Stephen Golder, a four month old child who
Speaker 5: literally was depended completely on an adult forcibly and intentionally
Speaker 5: killed him.
Speaker 1: He credited Tracy Raquel with being the one person who
Speaker 1: didn't believe the story that her mother told officials when
Speaker 1: Matthew died.
Speaker 5: The evidence will show you, ladies and gentlemen, that Tracy
Speaker 5: ram as she gets older, starts asking questions, trying to
Speaker 5: find out what really happened. Trying to find out the truth.
Speaker 1: Brickman had to be explicit that there wasn't a witness
Speaker 1: or a smoking gun in a case like this. Instead,
Speaker 1: he previewed the expert and family witnesses the prosecution will present,
Speaker 1: and then wrapped up with this, and.
Speaker 5: I'm confident and submit to you, ladies and gentlemen, that
Speaker 5: at the conclusion of this evidence, one verdict will be
Speaker 5: consistent with the evidence. One verdict will be consistent with
Speaker 5: the truth.
Speaker 1: And then he directed his attention to Jan Barry Sandlin.
Speaker 5: And that is, ladies and gentlemen, that on December twenty seventh,
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy one, Matthew Stephen Golder was killed by that man.
Speaker 1: Then Jan Sandlin's defense attorney, Carin Maul made her opening statement.
Speaker 7: Gentlemen, the only thing that is true that we do
Speaker 7: know is that indeed that baby did not fall out
Speaker 7: of that bed, did not get pushed out of that bed,
Speaker 7: did not get stumbled in the night and dropped on
Speaker 7: the floor.
Speaker 1: So if the defense was saying that Tracy Raquel was
Speaker 1: not responsible for Matthew's debt, where were they going.
Speaker 7: Listen, ladies and gentlemen, for the story about Kathy Alman,
Speaker 7: who was so distressed that she told her daughter, I
Speaker 7: can't go talk to the police, I can't go talk
Speaker 7: to the DA I can't do this all by herself.
Speaker 7: Twenty six years of line is what you will hear
Speaker 7: about in the next few days. It is the best
Speaker 7: example of how a lie begins and how it will
Speaker 7: come to an end in this courtroom, missus Almond, I
Speaker 7: believe the evidence will show this is probably her worst
Speaker 7: nightmare come true.
Speaker 5: It is going to be difficult for her to testify
Speaker 5: it's true.
Speaker 1: Kathy did tell different stories over the years to Tracy Raquel,
Speaker 1: to social workers, to doctors, maybe even to herself. The
Speaker 1: defense would use that to so doubt.
Speaker 7: You will hear State's version of events is but one
Speaker 7: of many. You'll be asked to reconcile all these different
Speaker 7: stories and to determine which, if any, you believe.
Speaker 1: And then the state called their first witness, neurosurgeon doctor
Speaker 1: Ellis Keener. Jeff Brickman conducted the questioning. Doctor Keener walked
Speaker 1: the jury through Matthew's injuries and the treatment he gave
Speaker 1: him that winter night twenty six years earlier.
Speaker 9: I recommended they go right to the operating room where
Speaker 9: he to be prepared for surgical expiration. Though the situation
Speaker 9: looked very bad.
Speaker 1: Doctor Keener explained that Matthew continued to decline even after surgery.
Speaker 9: According to the notes, he had become terminal and an
Speaker 9: effort was made in the intensive care to give him
Speaker 9: artificial respiration, and there was also a note that he
Speaker 9: had cardiac massage, both unsuccessful.
Speaker 1: Brickmann asked doctor Keener how Matthew got those injuries.
Speaker 9: I was told that the child had been I believe
Speaker 9: thrown out of the crib by sibling.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't the entire story. We did some research
Speaker 1: and learned that doctor Keener didn't really believe the story
Speaker 1: that he was told in the hospital. When Matthew was
Speaker 1: brought in, missus Camilla Taylor, a social worker for Decab
Speaker 1: Family and Child Services, meanted an interview with doctor Keener.
Speaker 1: This conversation took place about fifteen days after Matthew died.
Speaker 1: When asked if he thought that the damage could have
Speaker 1: been caused by a fall from a baby bed, doctor
Speaker 1: Keener said no.
Speaker 6: More.
Speaker 1: Notably, the social worker explicitly writes in her letter. He
Speaker 1: made the above statement after being assured that this report
Speaker 1: is confidential. Why would a doctor require his conversation to
Speaker 1: be confidential? Was it for hip hop compliance? No, that
Speaker 1: wasn't even a thing until decades later. Was it out
Speaker 1: of fear for his own safety? That important detail would
Speaker 1: never come to light? In the courtroom, Brickman continued, as.
Speaker 7: Far as you know, doctor Keener, were the police notified?
Speaker 1: As far as I know, yes, the defense was up
Speaker 1: at bat carin Mal asked doctor Keener about something else
Speaker 1: found in the autopsy, bruising on Matthew's clavical Isn't it true?
Speaker 7: Doctor keino that that bruising could have occurred at North
Speaker 7: Side Hospital in an effort to resuscitate the child.
Speaker 9: I think your statement is not correct.
Speaker 7: Okay, correct me?
Speaker 8: Then correct.
Speaker 1: Doctor Keener explained that the placement of the bruising was
Speaker 1: right around the collarbone, which would not be because of
Speaker 1: resuscitation efforts. Maul then turned to the burn on Matthew's foot.
Speaker 5: You called it an.
Speaker 7: Old, dry, ulcerated area, that's correct.
Speaker 1: Then she asked if anyone would have noticed the burn
Speaker 1: if they weren't a physician He responded that it was
Speaker 1: obvious enough for him to put it in the record.
Speaker 7: All that you can tell us is that it was
Speaker 7: old and that it could have been a burn, it
Speaker 7: could have been a blister. It's not quite clear. Correct,
Speaker 7: that's correct.
Speaker 1: Maul is trying hard to minimize Matthew's injuries. The bruising,
Speaker 1: the burn mark, It was all evidence that Matthew was
Speaker 1: abused and tortured. It implied a pattern of harm, something
Speaker 1: Mull wanted jurors to lose sight of. And here's a
Speaker 1: really stunning question.
Speaker 7: Now, you didn't do anything to that burn or blister.
Speaker 7: You didn't put anything on it or tend to it
Speaker 7: in any way, did you. There's no record that I.
Speaker 9: Did anything to there was?
Speaker 1: She implying that the burn wasn't significant because doctor Keener
Speaker 1: didn't put neosporin on it. Matthew's skull had multiple fractures
Speaker 1: and a brain bleed. Life saving measures were being taken.
Speaker 1: It went without saying the priority was to save the child.
Speaker 1: The prosecution had to hope jurors were sensible enough to
Speaker 1: understand that.
Speaker 6: Ki next witness Stay called Tracy Rain.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety seven. Tracy Raquel Burns was going by
Speaker 1: Tracy Rain. Rain was the last name of her husband
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 5: You raise your right hand.
Speaker 9: If you saw me swear from the testimony you give
Speaker 9: the court durald dishpan, it would be the truth, the
Speaker 9: whole truth, and nothing but truth.
Speaker 7: Say you got yes, I did.
Speaker 1: This moment was a culmination of years of heartache and
Speaker 1: misery and pure tenacity. You're twenty seven years old, you
Speaker 1: get called to the stand. What was it like for
Speaker 1: you after you worked so hard.
Speaker 5: To get to this place?
Speaker 10: It was overwhelming and terrifying. And then, of course I
Speaker 10: hadn't seen Jan since I was nine or ten years old,
Speaker 10: so this was going to be the first time I
Speaker 10: was going to see him face to face in all
Speaker 10: those years. So it was pretty intimidating.
Speaker 1: Did you interact with Jan in any way?
Speaker 10: I made a very conscious decision to look over at
Speaker 10: him just long enough to acknowledge that he was there,
Speaker 10: and just honestly so I didn't throw up because I
Speaker 10: was just so terrified.
Speaker 1: Leeann Mangone questioned Tracy Riquel.
Speaker 2: Tercy, why did you work so hard to have Matthew's
Speaker 2: death reexaminer.
Speaker 8: Well, initially it was a search for truth, There was
Speaker 8: so many inconsistencies in the story. And then later I
Speaker 8: realized as I was older, that something bad had happened,
Speaker 8: and it was to correct that bad thing. And then
Speaker 8: obviously I realized just several years ago that it had
Speaker 8: been placed on me. So that's who is part of
Speaker 8: it as well.
Speaker 1: Lee Anne Mangone asked Tracy Riquel why she wanted to
Speaker 1: record conversations between her and her mother, Kathy Allman, you
Speaker 1: said that you've spoken with.
Speaker 2: Your mother on a number of occasions to try to
Speaker 2: get information about what happened to Matthew. Yes, at some
Speaker 2: point did you record a conversation between yourself your mother?
Speaker 6: Yes? I did?
Speaker 8: And why did you take reported phone conversation between yourself.
Speaker 6: And your mother?
Speaker 8: Several days prior to that, Actually, the night before she
Speaker 8: had said to me that it was easier to say
Speaker 8: that I was responsible for excuse me for Matt's injuries
Speaker 8: than it was to say that the man she loved
Speaker 8: was and watch him go to jail.
Speaker 1: Leanne Mangun also asked about the push and pull between
Speaker 1: Terca Raquel and her mother.
Speaker 2: How old were you if you remember when you first
Speaker 2: asked your mother what had happened.
Speaker 7: To your baby birth.
Speaker 8: My first recollection of that is age seven.
Speaker 2: Did your mother give you any explanation as to why
Speaker 2: she was initially uncooperative with trying to find out what
Speaker 2: happened to Matthew?
Speaker 8: Well, I think that she had originally said it was
Speaker 8: because she didn't recall, and that it was a crazy
Speaker 8: time and there were, you know, crazy things going on
Speaker 8: and she just didn't remember, and later it was because
Speaker 8: she just didn't want to have to deal with it.
Speaker 1: Teresa Raquel did well with the prosecution, and then defense
Speaker 1: attorney Carin Malt started her cross examination.
Speaker 7: When was the first time you were told you were
Speaker 7: to blame for.
Speaker 8: The death of the child in nineteen ninety two and
Speaker 8: at the time.
Speaker 7: That you were talking to police you did not realize
Speaker 7: that you were to blame at that point, No, I
Speaker 7: did not, in fact, miss ring. The person who has
Speaker 7: been hurt the greatest is probably you, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 8: I think that would vary in opinion.
Speaker 7: Okay, but basically, your mother has blamed you for the
Speaker 7: death of this child, correct.
Speaker 8: As I was informed by those medical records.
Speaker 7: Yes, and your grandmother her mother, I.
Speaker 8: Don't think that she blamed I think she was passing
Speaker 8: on what was told to her.
Speaker 4: Isn't it true?
Speaker 7: You use the words when you were talking to your mother.
Speaker 7: Your mother said, ask your grandmother, and you said, I did.
Speaker 5: All she'll tell me.
Speaker 1: Is she did it, but that I did it.
Speaker 8: Yes?
Speaker 7: Were you ever astonished that anyone felt the need to
Speaker 7: tell you you were responsible?
Speaker 8: I don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 7: Didn't you at one point in time express to your
Speaker 7: mother that a mother who cared about her children would
Speaker 7: seek to shield a child from playing, would not tell
Speaker 7: the child you're responsible.
Speaker 8: Yes, I did, and that would be as.
Speaker 7: True, if not true, with regards to your grandmother. Correct.
Speaker 8: I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean.
Speaker 5: I'll rephrase that.
Speaker 7: There was no need to tell you, as a child
Speaker 7: or as a young adult, you're responsible for the death
Speaker 7: of this child.
Speaker 8: Her response was justifiable. I asked her a question and
Speaker 8: she simply answered it.
Speaker 7: But nobody said to you, Oh, when you asked what
Speaker 7: happened to your grandmother, she said you did it. She
Speaker 7: didn't say, oh, it was an accident I did it,
Speaker 7: or somebody else did it.
Speaker 8: She said it was an accident. You were responsible.
Speaker 7: Yes, who else has said to you Tracy Wayne, you
Speaker 7: are responsible for either the accidental killing, the accidental injuring
Speaker 7: the accidental death, the purposeful injuring.
Speaker 5: The personal death.
Speaker 7: Who else has laid responsibility on you has told you.
Speaker 1: My mother, Grin Maul was anxious to question the next witness,
Speaker 1: Tracy Riquel's mother, Kathy Allman. She wanted jurors to think
Speaker 1: that Kathy was a liar.
Speaker 7: He raised right hand. You saw him squear fum the test.
Speaker 8: Wont to give the cord you will.
Speaker 1: As Kathy Almond took the stand, she appeared shaky and nervous.
Speaker 1: I do Twenty feet away sat the man who had
Speaker 1: betrayed her in so many ways, the love of her life,
Speaker 1: Jan Barry Sanmon.
Speaker 6: Did you kill Matt?
Speaker 5: No? I didn't.
Speaker 8: Did you cause him to have skull fractures? On December
Speaker 8: twenty seventh, nineteen seventy.
Speaker 6: One, No I didn't.
Speaker 1: Kathy described the errands she ran with Tracer Raquel in
Speaker 1: the morning. She recalled their trip to the laundromat and
Speaker 1: visited to the pediatrician. Brickman asked about Matt's condition when
Speaker 1: Kathy left the apartment.
Speaker 5: It's best you could tell as a mom. Back on
Speaker 5: December twenty seventh, nineteen seventy one. Was he content?
Speaker 8: Yes, he laughed out elab for the first time that day.
Speaker 1: What a devastating piece of testimony from Kathy. The day
Speaker 1: of Matthew's death was a joyful milestone, he laughed. Before
Speaker 1: Kathy took the stand. Tracy Raquel was dismissed. She now
Speaker 1: had to think about her own children, So she caught
Speaker 1: the first flight home to Savannah, and she spoke to
Speaker 1: her brother Jason, who told her about threats her father
Speaker 1: had been making against her.
Speaker 10: I was told that he.
Speaker 6: Threatened to set me on fire and watch me burn
Speaker 6: to death, and then some of the stuff Jason wouldn't repeat.
Speaker 6: He just said it was horrible and he stopped talking
Speaker 6: to him.
Speaker 1: As Tracy Raquel's crusade to get justice for her brother
Speaker 1: Matthew hung in the balance, she was facing threats of
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Speaker 1: with the most bizarre story she had told about Matthew's death.
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