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Speaker 4: All right, Happy Wednesday, Welcome to Breaking Points everybody.

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Speaker 5: Emily, how you doing.

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Speaker 1: We won't bore you.

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Speaker 6: With the details of our travel, but Ryan had a

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Speaker 6: literal planes, trains, and automobile journey this morning, so if we're.

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Speaker 1: A little late.

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Speaker 6: I got in like one am because flights were.

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Speaker 4: Canceled cross storms on the East coast tried to keep

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Speaker 4: us out of the studio this morning. Yeah, they but

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Speaker 4: like Murkowski, you know, they buckled in the end, and here.

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Speaker 6: We are right this is just like Leason, Markows and Ryan.

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Speaker 6: You may notice is what we call on the show

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Speaker 6: raw dogging.

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Speaker 1: It does not have a laptop.

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Speaker 4: I did not actually travel with my laptop this time,

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Speaker 4: for the first time ever, and I never never made

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Speaker 4: it home because I flew straight to Richmond after my

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Speaker 4: flight was canceled, took a train over to DC.

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Speaker 5: Emily picked me up at the station. Here we are.

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Speaker 1: It's been a.

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Speaker 6: Wild warning, so our apologies if we were a little late,

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Speaker 6: but we wanted to be here. So we have a

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Speaker 6: big show, lots of crazy news. The Big Beautiful Bill

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Speaker 6: passed the Senate yesterday and Jade Vance cast the tie

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Speaker 6: breaking vote, so we have some information on what's actually

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Speaker 6: in that bill and what's going to happen now that

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Speaker 6: it heads to the House of Representatives. Donald Trump wants

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Speaker 6: it on his desk by Friday, because that's the fourth

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Speaker 6: of July and that is the deadline that he and

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Speaker 6: Republicans set for themselves, so we will break it all down.

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Speaker 6: Trump did a tour of quote Alligator Alcatraz.

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Speaker 5: I was down in Florida, were.

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Speaker 1: You actually that's right, you covered the protest.

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Speaker 4: I went down to Alligator Alcatraz before it opened and

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Speaker 4: saw the trucks barreling in and there are hundreds of

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Speaker 4: people out there protesting it. We'll talk about it in

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Speaker 4: the segments. It's it's quite something.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Gavin Newsom has come out as an abundance bro

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Speaker 6: and we have news on exactly how that's playing out

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Speaker 6: in California so far. Ryan, you're gonna do a breakdown

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Speaker 6: on news out of Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've got Trump is saying he's pushing forward with

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Speaker 4: the ceasefire deal. There's no confirmation from the Israeli side yet,

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Speaker 4: we're still it's all still up in the air, and

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Speaker 4: the number of the number of killings is just somehow accelerating.

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Speaker 5: That's which seems impossible. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the the news from the cafe that I know

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Speaker 6: we're going to come.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's this attack on this cafe used by journalists. Also,

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Speaker 4: Trump says he's going to proseendome say they're going to

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Speaker 4: prosecute CNN for hurting the feelings of our jet pilots,

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Speaker 4: who Trump says, came back feeling so proud of themselves

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Speaker 4: had just taped top Gun three and only to see

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Speaker 4: and the uranium may have been moved, and it deeply

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Speaker 4: upset the bombers and they should not be hurt like that.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know if you people pilots are people too.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the pilots are people.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know if you caught this news overnight

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Speaker 6: because you've had a trained situation. But also CBS settled

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Speaker 6: with the Trump administration, and we'll cover that in the

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Speaker 6: CNN block. But that is a very interesting suit as well.

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Speaker 6: I was reading some of it.

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Speaker 5: Seventeen million dollar bribe.

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Speaker 6: Sixteen million dollars, the exact same as the NBC settlement.

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Speaker 5: So that's that's the price for a merger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll get into all of it.

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Speaker 6: So let's start with the one big beautiful bill which

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Speaker 6: has passed the Senate. JD Vance cast the tie breaking vote.

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Speaker 6: Let's go ahead and roll a one.

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Speaker 5: The ya's are fifty, the na's are fifty, the Senate

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Speaker 5: being evenly divided. The Vice President votes in the affirmative.

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Speaker 5: The bill as amended is past.

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Speaker 6: So they ended up losing Rand Paul Susan Collins, and

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Speaker 6: And while we're talking about that. I'm going to control room.

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Speaker 6: Skip ahead here to A four. This is Lisa Murkowski

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Speaker 6: being confronted by a reporter in the Capitol who was

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Speaker 6: asking about the process of getting Lisa Murkowski to a yes,

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Speaker 6: which was very difficult but doable for leadership.

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Speaker 7: Senator Paul said that this was that your vote was

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Speaker 7: a bailout for Alaska at the expense of the rest

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, that's what Senator Paul said.

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Speaker 4: I said, was easy, Senator, We've got the.

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Speaker 8: I didn't say, ma'am. I'm just asking for your response.

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Speaker 9: My response is I have an obligation to the people

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Speaker 9: of the state of Alaska, and I live up to that.

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Speaker 9: Every single day I advocated from my state's interests. I

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Speaker 9: excuses for doing that. Do I like this bill? No,

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Speaker 9: because I tried to take care of Alaska's interests. But

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Speaker 9: I know I know that in many parts of the

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Speaker 9: advantaged by this bill. I don't like that.

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Speaker 6: In flashbacks to the Cornhusker kickback the Buckle of the

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Speaker 6: two thousand and nine, this is being called the Kodiak

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Speaker 6: kickback by Ruben Diego. Because Murkowski did get car outs

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Speaker 4: Yes, she got the legislation changed so that the people

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Speaker 4: who live in the forty nine other states will not

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Speaker 4: feel the same, will feel more of a punishment than

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Speaker 4: She is a senator from Alaska. Her title is United

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Speaker 4: States Senator. It's it's like, yeah, I get representing your state.

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Speaker 4: But to actively do something that you know is going

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Speaker 4: of the country less, and so you go for it

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Speaker 4: is some weak sauce. And if you notice in that clip,

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Speaker 4: I've followed her around the hall for many, many years.

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Speaker 4: She has an Energy Press Corps because she's so influential

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Speaker 4: when it comes to the energy sector and the energy

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Speaker 4: trade reporters love her.

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Speaker 5: She loves them. Uh huh like it.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure it's.

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Speaker 5: Kind of funny to watch. Well, yeah, and then so

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Speaker 5: she's not used to getting that in the hallway.

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Speaker 1: Per Politico.

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Speaker 6: As part of the Senate Republicans sweeping final amendment to

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Speaker 6: removed a controversial tax on solar and wind energy projects

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Speaker 6: that Murkowski and a handful of other Republicans were agitating

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Speaker 6: to be removed. Another goodie bordered on the obscure, if

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Speaker 6: not for the Senator Bow had whaling boat captains recognized.

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Speaker 6: But the Alaska Eskimo Whaling Commission will be able to

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Speaker 6: deduct more for whale hunting related expenses up to fifty

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Speaker 6: thousand from the current ten thousand, which obviously we support.

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Speaker 6: Here's editorial policy of breaking points. We are a very

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Speaker 6: strong we always have had a strong position on that

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Speaker 6: deduction whaling off for the Alaskaskima Whaling Commission.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got to keep that whale oil flowing.

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Speaker 6: So this is how jd Vance we can put a

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Speaker 1: This is how jd Vance was talking about the bill.

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Speaker 6: He says, massive tax cuts, especially no tax on tips

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Speaker 6: and overtime, and most importantly, big money for border security.

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Speaker 6: This is a big win for the American people. It's

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Speaker 6: true these are across the board tax cuts. They will

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Speaker 6: disproportionately benefit wealthy Americans. Most of the tax cuts are

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Speaker 6: going to wealthy Americans. It doesn't mean that the middle

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Speaker 6: class isn't getting tax cuts. They are getting tax cuts,

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Speaker 6: the no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, both

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Speaker 6: helpful policies obviously for many, many, many average Americans. Ryan,

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Speaker 6: but we can put Jeff Stein's breakdown of the bill

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Speaker 1: This is where things.

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Speaker 6: Got very hairy for Republicans in order to pay for

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Speaker 6: those tax cuts, to have a bill that doesn't look

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Speaker 6: as egregious as this one ultimately ended up looking. So

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Speaker 6: it didn't really matter too much for them, to be honest.

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Speaker 6: They were going for austerity essentially, So Ryan, you can

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Speaker 6: sort of what we would walk through some of this,

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Speaker 6: but major safety net cuts targeting Medicaid as Jeff reports,

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Speaker 6: and food stamps, so those do add work requirements, they

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Speaker 6: add some cost sharing for the states, some paperwork. They

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Speaker 6: think that'll save about one point three trillion.

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Speaker 1: I think that's per the correct So it's.

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Speaker 4: One point brillion, one point three trillion in cuts to medicaid,

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Speaker 4: in food stamps, right.

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Speaker 6: Yeap point four trillion to immigration enforcement and the military budget,

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Speaker 6: up cutting a ton of the clean energy subsidies, basically

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Speaker 5: So they put that at about five hundred billion. We'll see.

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Speaker 4: I think it'll actually end up being much more because

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Speaker 4: that we've had a surprising boom in clean tech manufacturing.

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Speaker 5: Over the last several years.

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Speaker 4: And so the more you have, then the more tax

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Speaker 4: credits they're going to be, which creates more energy, lowers

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Speaker 4: Like that, they're cutting out of federal spending by going

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Speaker 4: after food stamps, Medicaid, and subsidies for energy production, and

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Speaker 4: then they're spending it. We can go back if you

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Speaker 4: want to put the Jeff Stein post back up. So

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Speaker 4: the way that they're spending it two point five trillion

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Speaker 4: dollars to extend the prior tax cuts, so those are

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Speaker 4: the ones that Trump passed in twenty seventeen. This extends

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Speaker 4: them out. And also your childcare benefit goes from two

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Speaker 4: thousand to two point two with so many kids, Hey,

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Speaker 4: that's going to be nice for me, big big win

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Speaker 5: Right there. Then there about a trillion.

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Speaker 4: Dollars in various tax cuts that go to the top

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Speaker 4: one percent, including basically eliminating the estate tax.

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Speaker 5: So think about that. So that's roughly the amount of Medicaid.

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Speaker 1: Instead fifteen million dollars, it's.

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Speaker 5: At fifteen million dollars.

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Speaker 4: But with stepped up basis loopholes and other loopholes, there

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Speaker 4: are going to be very few people who end up

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Speaker 4: paying estate taxes, like almost nobody.

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Speaker 1: Because it's already pretty small group.

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Speaker 4: It's a small group already. But yeah, but it's going

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Speaker 4: to cost a trillion dollars. That means it's it's not

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Speaker 4: nobody that's currently paying it, So now they're pushing it

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Speaker 4: very close to nobody. And then you know, half a

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Speaker 4: billion on his other things, you know, no cash, no, no,

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Speaker 4: no tax on tips, Cheff's dimensions, the car intest deduction.

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Speaker 5: Hey, that'll help.

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Speaker 1: Me too, Yes, I got this is going great for you.

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Speaker 6: A couple of car payments, I mean car pay This

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Speaker 4: This is amazing, No, genuinely like this will be like

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Speaker 5: You can, and then you can go and.

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Speaker 4: You know, bust the deficit to do your mass deportation.

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Speaker 5: But they can't do that. Why.

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Speaker 5: It actually works.

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Speaker 6: This is where they start talking about how Trump who

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Speaker 4: We can't get men to go to a doctor anyway,

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Speaker 5: Get them back to work.

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Speaker 4: Not the problem, but that's your theory of why men

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Speaker 6: Yeah, anyway, so that's actually up significantly since over the

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Speaker 4: So okay, all of the savings in the bill quote

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Speaker 5: It's like.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean there's a tax definitely on the social

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Speaker 6: safety net because of people who are in the country

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Speaker 6: illegally or waiting silence.

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Speaker 4: Unless they're in their twenties, thirties, forties, paying in and

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Speaker 4: not getting money out, which is the case for a

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Speaker 4: lot of them.

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Speaker 6: Well that, yeah, I mean that's absolutely an argument.

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Speaker 1: So I don't.

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Speaker 6: They to the point about it being self destructive. They

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Speaker 6: would say that immigration enforcement is it's not even about

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Speaker 6: the spending. They would say the immigration enforcement is about

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Speaker 6: like safety and culture. That's the Stephen Miller argument that immigration.

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Speaker 4: As Trump said, if Steven Miller had his way, there'd

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Speaker 4: be one hundred million people in this country and they'd

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Speaker 4: all look like Steven Miller.

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Speaker 1: All, John Trump, what a country that would.

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Speaker 5: Be under million school shooters?

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, I mean calling you you were thinking it too.

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Speaker 6: Let's move on to the feud between Elon Musk and

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump, which is actually related to everything that we

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Speaker 6: are talking about.

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Speaker 1: This is the clip of Donald Trump being asked.

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Speaker 6: About Elon Musk yesterday on his Alligator Alcatraze tour.

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Speaker 1: Cohen rolled us.

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Speaker 6: That thing.

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Speaker 11: You know, he's upset. He's that he's losing his ev

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Speaker 11: mandate didn't accept hither.

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Speaker 12: He's very upset about things. But you know, he can

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Speaker 12: lose a lot more than that. I should tell you

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Speaker 12: right now, can lose a lot more than that. We

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Speaker 12: might have to put Jojon you know, you know joj

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Speaker 12: Joj's the monster that that might have to go back

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Speaker 12: and eat Elon.

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Speaker 10: M be there above.

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Speaker 11: He gets a lot of subsidies, Petter, but Eli's very

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Speaker 11: upset that the EV mandate is going to be terminated.

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Speaker 11: And you know what, when you look at ITV who

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Speaker 11: wants not everybody? Do you want an electric jar? I

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Speaker 11: don't want an electric jar.

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Speaker 6: I want to have baby.

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Speaker 11: Gasoline, maybe electric, maybe a hybrid, maybe someday a high

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Speaker 11: used US Do you have a high usen gar? It

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Speaker 11: has one problem that blows up, you know, So I'm

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Speaker 11: gonna give that one.

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Speaker 6: The Peter so Trump that was at the White House

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Speaker 6: before he left for the Everglades. He is asked by

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Speaker 6: a reporter, are you going to deport Elon Musk? Trump says,

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Speaker 6: We'll have to take a look. We might have to

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Speaker 6: put doge on Elon. You know, doges the months that

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Speaker 6: might have to go back and eat Elon. Wouldn't that

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Speaker 6: be terrible? He gets a lot of subsidies. Musk replies

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Speaker 6: on Twitter, this is the next element quote so tempting

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Speaker 6: to escalate this so so tempting, but I will refrain

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Speaker 6: for now. Then Musk also posts to cut it all

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Speaker 6: now in response to Trump saying that Doge might look

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Speaker 6: at Musk's subsidies, Musk's argument, Ryan is not entirely dissimilar

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Speaker 6: from the point you were just making about some of

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Speaker 6: these or the nature of the cuts being self destructed.

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Speaker 6: But he's coming at it. He's coming at it from

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Speaker 6: a totally different perspective.

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Speaker 4: Not totally like there's there's some significant overlap, which is

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Speaker 4: that he is desperately concerned and it goes back to

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Speaker 4: both his business but also his venture to to Mars.

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Speaker 4: He's desperately concerned with electricity production. He keeps posting these

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Speaker 4: various charts of Chinese electricity production versus American electricity production.

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Speaker 4: You know, they're they're on track to make as much

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Speaker 4: electricity with just wind, solar and battery power as we

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Speaker 4: are total. And if you're in an AI race, which

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Speaker 4: is related to his Mars race, then how do you

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Speaker 4: think that's going to go?

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Speaker 5: Like the country with more Jewics is going to win

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Speaker 5: this one.

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Speaker 4: So so that's that's where the overlap is. He also

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Speaker 4: wants he doesn't like the deficit busting stuff because he

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Speaker 4: wants to spend that money going to Mars.

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Speaker 6: That's where when he's saying, cut all of the subsidies. Now,

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's just it's easy to say that when

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Speaker 6: he's on the outside looking in.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, is that easy to say.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure his shareholder, Yeah, cherolders are probably super excited.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't mean that.

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Speaker 4: I mean you also, we and I blame everyone from

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Speaker 4: Obama up empowered this guy to have this power.

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Speaker 6: He wouldn't exist with that federal subsidies that Obama.

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Speaker 4: With Starlink and SpaceX and all these things, like these guys,

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Speaker 4: this guy's got.

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Speaker 5: This guy has cards to play.

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Speaker 6: Trump rescued by Barack Obama.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so I mean but now he's got guards.

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Speaker 6: Easy to say, yeah, yeah, now he has cards. That's right.

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Speaker 6: So I don't know the threat to start a third

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Speaker 6: party and all of that. Musk also had a pretty

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Speaker 6: interesting I thought it was a pretty interesting omission on

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Speaker 6: X yesterday. Ryan.

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Speaker 1: He was like a full reply guy.

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Speaker 6: But he in response to somebody saying that the chainsaw

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Speaker 6: kind of made it harder for for Doge to do anything,

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Speaker 6: he basically agreed and said that Malay gave him the

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Speaker 6: chainsaw backstage, but in retrospect he thinks that it did

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Speaker 6: lack empathy.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's what he said.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he says a fair criticism. He said, you know,

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Speaker 4: Malay gave him the chainsaw backstage and he just went

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Speaker 4: with it, and yeah, exactly. And I always i'd kind

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Speaker 4: of wonder, I'm like, how much like the original name

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Speaker 4: for ecstasy was empathy, because that's closer to the feeling

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Speaker 4: that it produces in a in a user, And so

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Speaker 4: I always wonder they didn't go with empathy because it's

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Speaker 4: like that's not very cool marketing, like ecstasy is going

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Speaker 4: to sell better in the club. But I always wondered, like,

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Speaker 4: how is this guy eating this much molly and this

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Speaker 4: callous like how does he how does he not care

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Speaker 4: about the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, tens

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Speaker 4: of millions of people plus who are affected by like

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Speaker 4: the whims of of this vendor that he's on. And

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Speaker 4: it turns out that, you know, now that he's come

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Speaker 4: back to Earth a little bit, he actually does know

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Speaker 4: the word empathy, and he regrets that it that it

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Speaker 4: lacked empathy in his own and also accomplished nothing except

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Speaker 4: ruining a whole bunch of people's lives.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think he just exists in the strain

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Speaker 6: of libertarianism, which is kind of weird to say from

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Speaker 6: somebody whose businesses are based on subsidies. But he exists

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Speaker 6: in the strain of libertarianism where libertarianism, where empathy itself

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Speaker 6: is used to The belief is that empathy itself is

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Speaker 6: used to hurt people and is used to like inflict cruelty.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's just a standard like Milton free argument

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Speaker 6: about how toxic empathy, but this is more like how

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Speaker 6: people will get trapped in government dependency spirals and it's

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Speaker 6: cruel And I think he thought in his own way.

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Speaker 4: Also, by the way, if you guys think having humanity

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Speaker 4: is bad, you took a wrong turn somewhere like retrace

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Speaker 4: your steps and then we go ahead.

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Speaker 1: This is the Ryangram argument for USA.

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Speaker 5: I d well for some programs, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But I'm not even good on those. You could make

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Speaker 6: that argument about some of the bad programs that you

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Speaker 6: lack humanity if you strip away this USA d aid well.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it depends, it very much depends.

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Speaker 1: But E's perspective.

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Speaker 4: If you if you take away some but a kid's

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Speaker 4: infant formula without a plan to replace it with something

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Speaker 4: else that can live on.

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Speaker 5: Not good, that's bad and lacks emplicate.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think.

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Speaker 4: Whether or not that cutout was also involved in some

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Speaker 4: regime change regime.

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Speaker 1: Change baby formula.

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Speaker 6: It's it's the tastiest baby formula. But musk is he

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Speaker 6: I think felt like he had the wind at his

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Speaker 6: back culturally in a way that he didn't.

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Speaker 1: So that post was really interesting.

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Speaker 5: He spends yes, exactly, he spent too much time with

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Speaker 5: his own reply.

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Speaker 1: Guys, Yes, yeah, all right, let's move on.

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Speaker 4: Who would have thought that kat turn too would lead

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Speaker 4: you astray?

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Speaker 6: But here we are, and he's Elan is like admitting

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Speaker 6: that in this really it's like it's just it's just

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Speaker 6: a post on X, but he's admitting that he had

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Speaker 6: basically terrible political instincts and then demanding the Republican Party

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Speaker 6: currently follow his political instincts.

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Speaker 5: Or else he's going to start a political party. Sure

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Speaker 5: that'll go.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's talk about Alligator Alcatraz because Ryan actually took

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Speaker 6: a trip to Alligator Alcatraz while he was in Florida

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Speaker 6: over the last several days.

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Speaker 1: We can roll b one here.

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Speaker 6: You can see how basically Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump

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Speaker 6: constructed their own sort of little Seacott brought a little

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Speaker 6: flavor of El Salvador up.

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Speaker 5: To the like inspired by Seacot.

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Speaker 1: It does.

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Speaker 6: If you're listening to this, what you're seeing is, you know,

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Speaker 6: bunk beds behind fencing and it's being sort of trumpeted

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Speaker 6: as an amazing feat and it was put up really quickly.

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Speaker 6: Ryan said, you saw the trucks rolling in over the

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Speaker 6: last fever of days they did this, and what I

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Speaker 6: mean less than a week, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, today's Wednesday. So I was there Saturday and there

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Speaker 4: was a there was a big protest there. There had

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Speaker 4: been a protest, a smaller protest the week before, and

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Speaker 4: I talked to people who'd been the week before and

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Speaker 4: there was basically nothing. Then you could basically drive onto

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Speaker 4: the base at that point. By the time I got there,

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Speaker 4: you couldn't drive on there because there was so much

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Speaker 4: traffic from the dump trucks and propane trucks and generator

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Speaker 4: trucks and food trucks that were just streaming onto this

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Speaker 4: site in a way that was like affecting. It was

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Speaker 4: like ominous, like how much energy was being put in this.

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Speaker 4: And most of the trucks had names like you know

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Speaker 4: Rodriguez Trucking or something like that. And they were planning,

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Speaker 4: they were planning to put this thing together in days,

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Speaker 4: and they did and on Tuesday. I'm getting my days

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Speaker 4: mixed up yet. July first, Tuesday, Trump and DeSantis like

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Speaker 4: inaugurated the thing. They're going to spend they say, all

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Speaker 4: these estimates are always low. Uh, they're gonna they say

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Speaker 4: they're going to spend four hundred and fifty million dollars

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Speaker 4: in the first year of the operation of this site. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 4: it is hurricane season, so there is. It took us

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Speaker 4: about an hour. I drove from Miami down to the

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Speaker 4: protest there.

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Speaker 1: Your wife and kids dealigator.

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Speaker 4: Well, we only have one kid with us now because

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Speaker 4: a three year in camp and it was too early

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Speaker 4: in the morning.

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Speaker 5: She refused to go, but a friend's kid did go.

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Speaker 1: And get up.

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Speaker 6: Dad's driving a Saligators.

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Speaker 5: Are going Alligator out tress. Yeah, and it was packed.

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Speaker 4: Maybe in post Steinston Mac some of the videos we

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Speaker 4: can put them in there, although we're kind of late,

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Speaker 4: so maybe I want to do. But it's the beginning,

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Speaker 4: it's the beginning of hurricane season.

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Speaker 5: There's one road that takes you there. That's it.

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Speaker 4: Like this is you're driving through, having through the everglades,

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Speaker 4: trying to evacuate all of those people in the event

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Speaker 4: of a hurricane plus evacuating there are a lot of Mikisuka,

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Speaker 4: There's Indigenous people that live down there. There's also I

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Speaker 4: think it's mostly mostly Native people that live down there

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Speaker 4: because it's mostly Native area, but there's some, you know,

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Speaker 4: and there will always be like Florida residents down there

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Speaker 4: as well. Trying to evacuate all of the workers and

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Speaker 4: all of the staff, and all of the people in

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Speaker 4: attention and all of the other people on this little

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Speaker 4: two lane road would be calamitous. So we just have

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Speaker 4: to I guess, cross our fingers that we don't get

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Speaker 4: a dream mass casualty event. So actually a hurricane that

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Speaker 4: forms quickly and hits that area.

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Speaker 6: Where I thought you were going with us was that

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Speaker 6: some of the news reports included statements from people whose

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Speaker 6: homes have been flat by hurricanes and saw DeSantis really

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Speaker 6: quickly construct this.

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Speaker 4: Massive with FEMA money.

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Speaker 6: Yes, four hundred and fifty million dollars in I think

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Speaker 6: it was like eight days something like that.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't there last week, and now you have.

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Speaker 4: We haven't rebuilt western North Carolina. We haven't rebuilt even

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Speaker 4: like from Hurricane Michael, in like the Panhandle, in Florida,

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Speaker 4: Desantus like it still looks like it went through last week.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, they're they're wanting it to get up to

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Speaker 6: five thousand beds. I think it's three thousand right now now.

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Speaker 6: In there a couple of things that I would just

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Speaker 6: add to this. We have a serious problem with lacking

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Speaker 6: detention capacity for immigrants.

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Speaker 5: For lack Land in Florida.

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Speaker 6: Though for yeah, that's a totally, totally legitimate point. And

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Speaker 6: if I were someone who was waiting for their house

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Speaker 6: to be rebuilt in Florida, not sure that this would throw.

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Speaker 1: Me at all.

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Speaker 6: But we have like fifty nine thousand people detainees because

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Speaker 6: of the ICE enforcement. But the ICE enforcement itself is

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Speaker 6: because the Biden administration at minimum created you know, an

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Speaker 6: influx of eight million people over the course of a

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Speaker 6: few years, and so the Trump administration enforcing that means

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Speaker 6: that they have a record number fifty nine thousand people.

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Speaker 6: They're running out of room, and so there is absolutely

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Speaker 6: unless you are full, and this is probably where Ryan

699
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Speaker 6: and I disagree. Full let people stay. You absolutely do

700
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Speaker 6: need more room for all of this, and you do

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Speaker 6: need incentives for people to use things like CBP home

702
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Speaker 6: which allow you to just very humanly self support and

703
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Speaker 6: you don't end up getting detained, you don't end up

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Speaker 6: getting arrested.

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Speaker 1: At least that's the theory.

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Speaker 6: So they believe these are disincentives for people to continue

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Speaker 6: staying in the country if they're you know, if they

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Speaker 6: have not shown up for court dates or anything like that,

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Speaker 6: if the process is run.

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Speaker 5: Out right, but they're trying to break the process by

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Speaker 5: arresting people at their court dates.

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Speaker 4: Like they're definitely doing this loophole where they will dismiss

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Speaker 4: somebody's proceedings at a hearing and then just arrest them

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Speaker 4: at it and say, okay, now you're moved into expedited removal.

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Speaker 4: And so basically it's incentivized people not to show up.

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Speaker 4: Let's say, okay, y'all want you want to deport lots

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Speaker 4: of people, Uh, why not just do like ankle braces,

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Speaker 4: Like okay, Like, here's the process. We're going to change

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Speaker 4: the law. They just showed they can pass any law

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Speaker 4: they want. We're gonna we're gonna make the laws such

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Speaker 4: that if the expedited removal is actually expedited. There's gonna

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Speaker 4: be a little bit of due process, but we want

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Speaker 4: so it's going to be you know, fig leaf, but

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be some process and then once you're ordered deported.

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Speaker 5: You're deported.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And in the meantime, you can you know, you wear

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Speaker 4: an ankle bracelet or whatever like or like there's other ways,

729
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Speaker 4: Like we live in a surveillance society.

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Speaker 6: We sure do, Like does have Peter Teal handled?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if like this should this should not be like

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Speaker 4: something that like the if if the right is going

733
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Speaker 4: to go in this dystopian direction of building like mass

734
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Speaker 4: camp in the Everglades, the Boo Kelly Larp, Yeah, then

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Speaker 4: it's not as if they have something like they would

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Speaker 4: they would shrink it like exercising some extreme surveilance authority.

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Speaker 6: Let's watch how Donald Trump was describing all of this yesterday.

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Speaker 5: This is B two.

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Speaker 8: Take care of our farmers and hotel workers and various

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Speaker 8: other people that we're working on it right now.

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Speaker 13: And Ron's going to be involved, and you were involved already.

742
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Speaker 14: So we have a.

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Speaker 8: Case where a lot of cases where ice will go

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Speaker 8: on to a farm and there's the guys working there

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Speaker 8: for ten fifteen years, no club, the farmers home.

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Speaker 13: We're going to put let's go a farmer responsibility or

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Speaker 13: owner responsibility where they're going to be largely responsible for

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Speaker 13: these people.

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Speaker 8: And they know these people. They've worked on the.

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Speaker 14: Farms for fifteen years and all of a sudden, so

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Speaker 14: I have a great ron does Christie does? We have

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Speaker 14: a great feeling for the farmer and for others in

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Speaker 14: the same position, and we're going to give them responsibility

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Speaker 14: for people. And we're going to have a system of

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Speaker 14: signing them up so they don't have to go. They

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Speaker 14: could be here legally, they can pay taxes and everything.

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Speaker 14: They're not getting citizenship, but they get other things. And

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Speaker 14: the farmers need them to do the work without those people,

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Speaker 14: and you're not going to be able to run your

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Speaker 14: form President.

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Speaker 11: They're gonnas to tell me how to do something inside

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Speaker 11: of his facility.

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Speaker 8: First, should go here and love something. Because they don't

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Speaker 8: do this, they would not.

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Speaker 5: Want to get and if they did.

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Speaker 8: It, the pus orcrednize were here. To be honest, Hey,

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Speaker 8: Biden wanted me in here.

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Speaker 14: Okay, he wanted me.

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Speaker 8: It didn't work out that way, but.

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Speaker 15: He wanted me in here.

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Speaker 6: Trump saying that Biden wanted him an alligator alcatraze. We

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Speaker 6: have a couple of more clips because he was on

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Speaker 6: a roll yesterday. This is Trump being asked about what

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Speaker 6: the sort of point of the alligator branding is. I

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Speaker 6: let the.

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Speaker 15: Alligator alphatraze the idea.

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Speaker 9: D it heard a great pain?

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Speaker 6: They just getting finality order.

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Speaker 11: And thinking about I guess that's for concept.

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Speaker 6: This is not a nice christ.

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Speaker 13: I guess that's a goudhet that you.

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Speaker 11: You know, the snakes are fash, but alligators are.

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Speaker 8: But we're going to teach them how to run.

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Speaker 11: Away from an alligator. Okay, if they escaped prison, how

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Speaker 11: to run away.

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Speaker 6: Don't run in a.

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Speaker 15: Straight line, run like this, and you know what, your.

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Speaker 8: Chances go up about one percent.

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Speaker 11: Okay, not a good thing.

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Speaker 6: He's sort of bragging about his knowledge of alligator.

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Speaker 5: Escape from his golf courses.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good point.

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Speaker 6: If you're looking closely at the hat, by the way,

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Speaker 6: which I didn't until it was just in front of us. Now,

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Speaker 6: there's a subheading on the Gulf of America maga hat

796
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Speaker 6: that says yet another Trump development.

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Speaker 1: That's what it says on the hat.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad he's having such a wonderful time bringing like

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Speaker 4: object fascism like this.

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Speaker 6: Is like completely it's really fascism.

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Speaker 4: Fascism too, Like build a giant concentration camp in the

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Speaker 4: middle of the Everglades, I mean where the people are

803
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Speaker 4: like at immediate risk of getting killed if a hurricane

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Speaker 4: comes through, joking about them getting eaten by alligators and snakes,

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Speaker 4: and well that part okay, and also.

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Speaker 6: Say it's fascism, it's it's him LARPing. It's like fascist LARPing.

807
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Speaker 4: And and he's also doing some weird planter class LARPing

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Speaker 4: in the first clip that you can slay it there,

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Speaker 4: he's like, we're gonna have owner responsibility. That was his

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Speaker 4: I'm not putting words in his mouth. He said owner

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Speaker 4: responsibility for migrants who work on farms.

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Speaker 5: M I don't even have to like say anything else

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Speaker 5: about it.

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Speaker 6: You're right.

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Speaker 5: I thought we settled this.

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Speaker 6: And he's also like, we're going to take care of

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Speaker 6: the hotel workers. It's you know, Stephen Miller speaking of

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Speaker 6: stuper Miller that his brain is exploding.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because Millers, like, I guess he's torn there. He's like, hmmm,

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Speaker 4: slavery thought, we're really moving the Overton window.

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Speaker 6: Here, but he's like will they assimilate?

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Speaker 5: Will the slaves assimilate?

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Speaker 6: Question?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's.

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Speaker 4: Owner responsibility, Like we literally did a war and we

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Speaker 4: settled this. You're not owning people in this country. We

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Speaker 4: don't do that. Yeah, I'm everything, everything is apparently up

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Speaker 4: for grabs.

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Speaker 6: I think that's where I think the administration is. Often

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Speaker 6: it feels like a larp to me, Like if it

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Speaker 6: feels like they're not but he doesn't do half of

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Speaker 6: the stuff that he does.

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Speaker 1: He does some ement and.

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Speaker 5: Then he doesn't see what Maybe they never fill this camp.

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Speaker 5: Let's hope.

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Speaker 6: Honestly, not impossible that because they're saying they wanted to

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Speaker 6: house up to five thousand people, they want to keep

838
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Speaker 6: doing more of this. I don't know. I mean they

839
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Speaker 6: were doing this. This is actually a really good illustration

840
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Speaker 6: of the way I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 1: Like they said they were going to use Guantanamo. Trump

842
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Speaker 1: said he was going to use actual.

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Speaker 4: Half they're using Guantanamo was like costing half a million

844
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Speaker 4: per detainee.

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Speaker 5: There's like thirty people there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's like thirty people. He said he was going

847
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Speaker 6: to send all these people to see Cotton. To be fair,

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Speaker 6: he sent three hundred people, but stopped after that, and

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Speaker 6: it's like, I think part of it is they're trying

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Speaker 6: to create this very like visual vivid so.

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Speaker 5: People just leave, which is probably working to some.

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Speaker 6: Degree, probably to some degree, and then they don't go

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Speaker 6: all of the way, but it is it ends up

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Speaker 6: feeling like a big fascist Bukelli larp.

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And also it's in immigrant communities. People are like

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Speaker 5: kids are told don't open the door for anybody. People

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Speaker 5: don't congregate outside afraid that if somebody, if somebody there

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Speaker 5: is undocumented and gets picked up, they're just gonna sweep

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Speaker 5: everybody up, even the citizens, which they're doing and you

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Speaker 5: know which they are doing off like in LA and

862
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Speaker 5: elsewhere anyway. Yeah, so that's it.

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Speaker 4: There is definitely always LARPing when it comes to Trump,

864
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Speaker 4: but sometimes the LARPing becomes reality.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you talk it into existence, you never know.

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Speaker 6: And that's where, Yes, I think one thing I disagree

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Speaker 6: with a lot of conservatives on is I think you

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Speaker 6: actually always have to take him seriously because sometimes you

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Speaker 6: don't usually know when he's serious and when he's he's joking,

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Speaker 6: So you can't be like, oh, it's Trump being Trump

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Speaker 6: in every circumstance, because then he goes and does stuff.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk about what he said yesterday regarding Zoron Mom Donnie.

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Speaker 6: We are going to go ahead and roll the soot.

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Speaker 6: It is b six Trump being asked about Zoron mom Donni.

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Speaker 16: Your blood New York City may well be led by

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Speaker 16: a communist soon, Zorhan Mundami, who in his nomination speech

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Speaker 16: said he will defy ICE and will not allow ICE

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Speaker 16: to arrest criminal aliens in New York City. Your message

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Speaker 16: to communist Zorhon Mundani.

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Speaker 8: Well, then we'll have to arrest him.

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Speaker 13: Look, we don't need a communist in this country, but

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Speaker 13: if we have one, I'm going to be watching over

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Speaker 13: them very carefully.

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Speaker 8: On behalf of the nation.

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Speaker 13: We send him money, We send him all the things

886
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Speaker 13: that he needs to run a government. And by the way,

887
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Speaker 13: they get already they get about three times what you get.

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Speaker 8: Ron.

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Speaker 13: If you look at the per capita, Florida gets one

890
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Speaker 13: third of what New York gets in terms of the number.

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Speaker 8: Is what do you give us those numbers? Yeah, well

892
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Speaker 8: that's what we should send him. Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Well, sometimes people say Florida gets more because they count

894
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Speaker 15: social Security recipients but that's not money to the state.

895
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Speaker 15: Those are seniors that live here. If they moved to

896
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Speaker 15: North Carolina, you could count it there. So it has

897
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Speaker 15: no interaction with the state government. They get more in

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Speaker 15: the city and state governments than we get.

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Speaker 13: Right substantially, We're going to be watching that very carefully,

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Speaker 13: and a lot of people are saying, he's here illegally.

901
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Speaker 8: He's you know, we're going to look at everything.

902
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Speaker 6: So here's B seven. This is how is our own mom.

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Speaker 6: Donnie responded, and I actually am curious what you make

904
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Speaker 6: of this. Ryan. I found his response to be quite interesting.

905
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Speaker 6: He says, the President of the US just threatened to

906
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Speaker 6: have me arrested, stripped of my citizenship, putting a detention camp,

907
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Speaker 6: and deported, not because I've broken any law, but because

908
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Speaker 6: I will refuse to let Ice terrorize our city. His

909
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Speaker 6: statements don't just represent an attack on our democracy, but

910
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Speaker 6: an attempt to send a message to every New Yorker

911
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Speaker 6: who refuses to hide in the shadows. If you speak up,

912
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Speaker 6: they will come for you. We will not accept this intimidation.

913
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Speaker 6: And then he goes on to talk about Eric Adams.

914
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Speaker 6: Says Trump included praise for Eric Adams and his authoritarian

915
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Speaker 6: threats is unsurprising but highlights the urgency of bringing an

916
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Speaker 6: end to this matter's time in City Hall. Goes on

917
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Speaker 6: to talk about destroying the Social Safety Net, kicking millions

918
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Speaker 6: of New Yorkers off healthcare, and enriching the billionaire donors'

919
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Speaker 6: expensive working families. The scandal that Eric Adams echoes this presence, division, distraction.

920
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Speaker 1: And hate. Ryan.

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Speaker 6: The reason I found that statement interesting is he pivots

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Speaker 6: to the Social Safety Net and pivots to Eric Adams

923
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Speaker 6: kicking New Yorkers off health care ets are a billionaire donors. Yeah,

924
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Speaker 6: he pivots the class warfare essentially. And when Trump was

925
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Speaker 6: asked that question by Arry Maga Bennie Johnson, I think

926
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Speaker 6: is in his own mind the strategy, not that he

927
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Speaker 6: wouldn't have said that anyway, but in the strategy, in

928
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Speaker 6: the question of strategy, what they're trying to do is

929
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Speaker 6: get Mom Donnie to talk about immigration as much as possible,

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Speaker 6: because as unpopular as the way Donald Trump's ice has

931
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Speaker 6: approached this is in a blue city like New York.

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Speaker 6: The immigration policies of the Biden administration and the way

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Speaker 6: Eric Adams handled them at first was deeply unpopular, which

934
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Speaker 6: is why Eric Adams then pivoted. So, I think Republicans

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Speaker 6: see an opportunity to talk about immigration over and over again,

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Speaker 6: Mom Donnie and his statement pivoted that I thought was

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Speaker 6: pretty interesting.

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Speaker 4: Right, because I think that's right because as Bannon said, Mom,

939
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Speaker 4: Donnie's the first populist who has connected populism to affordability, yes,

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Speaker 4: which is a huge indictment of our political class across

941
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Speaker 4: the spectrum that this guy's the first one that's been

942
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Speaker 4: able to do it.

943
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Speaker 5: And so a good point.

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Speaker 4: I think Trump and Bannon recognize that they're vulnerable to

945
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Speaker 4: him on that issue, and prices are going up, and

946
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Speaker 4: they just you know, your energy bills are going going

947
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Speaker 4: to be going up pretty soon thanks to.

948
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Speaker 5: This big beautiful bill, et cetera.

949
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Speaker 4: And so yes, they think they're on better ground if

950
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Speaker 4: they can get him back to they want to be

951
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Speaker 4: back in like twenty eighteen, nineteen twenty, where they're fighting

952
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Speaker 4: Democrats on cultural issues. That's that's where Bannon and Trump

953
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Speaker 4: feel comfortable.

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Speaker 6: And when Zoe run by the Way was tweeting things

955
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Speaker 6: about how defunding the police was liberation, which he doesn't

956
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Speaker 6: talk about.

957
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Speaker 4: Anymore, they like that, like that's that's where Trump wants

958
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Speaker 4: to be, like, he wants to bring that Democratic Party back,

959
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Speaker 4: force him into that. The problem for Trump is a

960
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Speaker 4: He's son's not really going to take.

961
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Speaker 5: That bait, but b.

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Speaker 4: The like the their issue of immigration Trump, Trump's losing

963
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Speaker 4: the public on his own issue by being so over

964
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Speaker 4: the top. Like if you look at the polling, yes, yes,

965
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Speaker 4: independents are now swinging again. People have very fluid views

966
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Speaker 4: about about immigration policy.

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Speaker 6: But then he and Steven Miller are betting on being

968
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Speaker 6: the lesser of two evils, right that even if their

969
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Speaker 6: popularity dips DEM's popularity with things like sanctuary cities, for example,

970
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Speaker 6: which are massive poll factors.

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Speaker 4: What he's letting him do is just is defend is

972
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Speaker 4: what was he letting like Zoron do is like defend

973
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Speaker 4: against like masked ICE agents just yeah, like scooping people

974
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Speaker 4: off the street, which the post like, yeah, what are

975
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Speaker 4: you doing?

976
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is not how we do things.

977
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Speaker 4: Yeah, with all these people now impersonating ICE agents across

978
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Speaker 4: the countries becoming like an actual legitimate, like crime problem,

979
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Speaker 4: it's like a safety issue what ICE is doing. And

980
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Speaker 4: so if you let them just say we're against Seacott

981
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Speaker 4: we're against alligator Alcatraz, we're against the masked agents doing

982
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Speaker 4: fascism on the streets. Then you don't force Democrats to

983
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 4: grapple with their with their unpopular immigration policies.

984
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Speaker 14: Right.

985
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Speaker 6: And I think the Trump bet is that as long

986
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Speaker 6: as Mam Donnie is talking about immigration, then Trump and

987
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Speaker 6: Republicans and probably Eric Adams as well, it's an opportunity

988
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Speaker 6: for them to talk about sanctuosity. Sanctuousity.

989
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, and for Mam Donnie, as long as Trump is

990
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Speaker 4: boosting Eric Adams and attacking Mam Donnie, Mam Donnie is

991
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Speaker 4: just growing in popularity in New York.

992
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Speaker 6: That very well. Maybe the case the poll that came

993
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Speaker 6: out yesterday which showed it wasn't there a poll that

994
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Speaker 6: came out yesterday that showed him hypothetically being Cuomo. We

995
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Speaker 6: got the final margin yesterday as well, which was what

996
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 6: twelve point twelve point route of Andrew Guiomo. I'm unbelievable.

997
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Speaker 6: I thought they I thought a general election poll came

998
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Speaker 6: out yesterday showing if Culoma were won. Anyway, I'll look

999
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Speaker 6: it up, but it wouldn't be surprising at all if

1000
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Speaker 6: it were the case that Mom Donnie was winning.

1001
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Speaker 5: But the more.

1002
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just the more that Eric Adams is associated

1003
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 4: with Trump, right, or Cuomo with Trump right, or Mom

1004
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: Donnie as the anti Trump, and it helps him right.

1005
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 6: Yes, And finally, did you see Ryan this apology from

1006
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 6: Kirsten Gilabris, So we give it this last element up

1007
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 6: on the screen. I'm reading from Politico here, Kristian Jilbrand

1008
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 6: apologizes are on Mom Donnie a Monday after she falsely

1009
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 6: claimed in a radio interview that the presumptive Democratic nominee

1010
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 6: for mayor of New York City had made quote references

1011
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 6: to global jihad. The junior senator at mayoral Cadets spoke

1012
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 6: by phone Monday, and there was a redoubt of the

1013
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Speaker 6: call that Jillibrand's team gave to Politico that said jill

1014
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 6: Brand apologized for mischaracterizing Mom Donnie's record.

1015
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Speaker 1: And for her tone on the call.

1016
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Speaker 6: This is in reference to a Brian Lair segment where

1017
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 6: a caller asked jilib Bran about Holy Mom Donnie to

1018
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Speaker 6: account for quote glorifying Hamas and Ryan. This was like

1019
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 6: the Brian Lair segment heard round the left.

1020
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: This it's crazy everywhere. Tell us a little bit about it.

1021
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 5: I mean, it was bonkers go list to it.

1022
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 4: She sounds completely unhinged, and she just and Brian Lair

1023
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 4: gives her like three or four like opportunities to like

1024
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 4: correct herself and to like add in a little bit

1025
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 4: of complexity or humility or uncertainty about the situation. She's like, no,

1026
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Speaker 4: absolutely not, and at one point accuses him of wanting

1027
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 4: to wage global jihad yes, which actually goes to Zorn's point.

1028
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Speaker 4: The reason he said in that initial interview where he

1029
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Speaker 4: gave this long, like nuanced answer about why he wouldn't

1030
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Speaker 4: condemn the phrase globalizing anti fought it so basically because

1031
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: you're asking me to condemn a phrase that to some

1032
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 4: Arabic speakers or to all Arabic speakers means, you know,

1033
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 4: globalize the resistance. And you can't ask an Arabic speaker

1034
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 4: to condemn the word resistance like just because some people

1035
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 4: don't like it. It would be like saying that the

1036
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 4: Trump administration whenever they arrest a Palestinian, a pro Palestine protester,

1037
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 4: they tweet out shalom. So therefore, when pro Palestine people

1038
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Speaker 4: hear the word shalom, they get in their feelings about

1039
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 4: this assault on their dignity and their liberty, So therefore

1040
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 4: nobody should say shalom anymore, same logic.

1041
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 5: But it's absurd. No shalom, that's not what it's like.

1042
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

1043
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 4: I mean like Trump is misusing the phrase, but that

1044
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Speaker 4: doesn't mean that nobody else can say it. And Jilibran

1045
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 4: then makes his point that the whole argument is racist

1046
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 4: by confusing jihad and antifada because she doesn't matter. To her,

1047
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Speaker 4: it's just scary sounding Arabic words, and so the entire

1048
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 4: political class, the media, all the Sunday shows, everyone tried

1049
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 4: to get him to condemn this phrase. He wouldn't, and

1050
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Speaker 4: Jillibrand winds up being the one that apologizes. That's I

1051
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 4: don't know, it's too much to say it's a watershed moment,

1052
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 4: but it's it's definitely a data point.

1053
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Speaker 1: They're gonna have to bend the knee. They are slowly

1054
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: but truly realizing it.

1055
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Speaker 4: Even Kathy Hockle told Jillibrand like, there's no room for

1056
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 4: this racism in our state. If you lost Kathy Hokel,

1057
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Speaker 4: that's probably when she was like, Okay, I.

1058
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Speaker 5: Need to apologize.

1059
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Speaker 6: Speaking of unlikable and unpopular governors, let's pivot to Gavin Newsom, Ryan,

1060
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Speaker 6: that was.

1061
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Speaker 5: Really so mean.

1062
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Speaker 6: It was such a it was slowing e frut. We

1063
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Speaker 6: were talking about Kathy Okle. It just made sense to

1064
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Speaker 6: talk about Gavin Newsom right after that. So Gavin Newsom

1065
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Speaker 6: is now taking aim at the California Environmental Quality Act,

1066
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Speaker 6: which if you've read Abundance, if you followed Ezra Clin's work,

1067
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Speaker 6: that is a sort of fixation as there's been writing

1068
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Speaker 6: about it for a matter of years. And Gavin Newsom,

1069
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,399
Speaker 6: how the press conference yesterday. Let's take a look at

1070
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 6: his nod to the abundance community in this clip to.

1071
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Speaker 7: The Nimby movement that's now being replaced by the Yimbi movement.

1072
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Speaker 7: Go Yimbi's thank you for your abundant mindset. It's a

1073
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Speaker 7: plug to Ezra and it really is about abundance and

1074
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Speaker 7: to the movement that they represent, which I think was

1075
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Speaker 7: reflected in the comments made a moment ago about getting

1076
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Speaker 7: big stuff done.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we can put the tear sheet on the screen.

1078
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Speaker 6: You heard him there say he appreciates to the Ymbie

1079
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Speaker 6: community the abundant mindset. They are rolling back that landmark

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Speaker 6: quote environmental law quote landmark environmental law as The New

1081
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Speaker 6: York Times puts it. Cline has written Ryan pretty extensively

1082
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Speaker 6: for a long time. As we mentioned earlier about the

1083
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Speaker 6: California Environmental Quality Act, that's sort of become a symbol,

1084
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Speaker 6: not just you know, obviously they are substantive complaints, but

1085
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Speaker 6: it's become kind of a symbol of what abundance, the

1086
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Speaker 6: sort of abundance world is trying to change about Blue

1087
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Speaker 6: state governance. This is how Klein put it in an otbed.

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Speaker 6: I want to say, this was like a year ago quote.

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Speaker 6: Laws like the California Environmental Quality Act have been used

1090
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Speaker 6: to block countless harmful projects. A faster, more streamline process

1091
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Speaker 6: can make it easier to build solar farms and rail systems,

1092
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Speaker 6: but streamline lightning could also make it easier to build

1093
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Speaker 6: infrastructure that communities have reason to oppose. So what's going

1094
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Speaker 6: on with us? Ryan?

1095
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Speaker 5: Well?

1096
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Speaker 4: And so Ezra tells a story in his book about

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Speaker 4: the creation of this law being quite a quiet affair,

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Speaker 4: like it's now understood as this landmark law, but it

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Speaker 4: was not actually, and this is the case for a

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Speaker 4: lot of laws. They passed quietly, nobody really knows what's

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Speaker 4: going on, and then only later do they take on

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Speaker 4: some significant importance. And this one took on importance because

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Speaker 4: the California Supreme Court interpreted in a way that the

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Speaker 4: original authors of it did not intend, which gave it

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Speaker 4: enormous amounts of teeth. And then yeah, so you did

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Speaker 4: then have a lot of communities and other people that

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Speaker 4: wanted to block projects, able to hire lawyers and gum

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Speaker 4: things up, and so you know, it's I think there

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Speaker 4: is some nuance to this because I think, on the

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Speaker 4: one hand, the political power of billionaires and incumbent kind

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Speaker 4: of monopolies and power centers are the thing that is

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Speaker 4: their power that blocks a lot of these projects, and

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Speaker 4: their power if it is unchecked, and what should be

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Speaker 4: a democratic society is going to find different vehicles for

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Speaker 4: it to be exercised. Just like you know, water running downhill,

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Speaker 4: it's going to find a way to get there. And

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Speaker 4: right now it's find sequa. You get rid of sequa.

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Speaker 4: But you don't check the power of billionaires. It's not

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Speaker 4: going to solve the problem.

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Speaker 5: Does on the other maybe it's a maybe maybe you.

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Speaker 4: Packed a little bit of dirt there for a while,

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Speaker 4: and maybe it does move the flow of the water

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Speaker 4: in a productive direction for a little, while it doesn't

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Speaker 4: solve the underlying problem, which is that we're not a democracy.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, maybe it gets some projects going. It might like.

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Speaker 5: I don't want to say that it.

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Speaker 4: Won't because it's like, but my point is, unless you

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Speaker 4: restructure the political economy, these people are going to continue

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Speaker 4: to mess with you and come up, come everything up.

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Speaker 6: No question about that. I think actually that Ezra would

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Speaker 6: agree with that point, don't you.

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Speaker 5: I think he might show him on. Yeh, I think

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Speaker 5: he might. I think the centrist groups and the pro

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Speaker 5: corporate groups that have basically adopted all of the messaging,

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Speaker 5: they would not like that, but Ezra might. Yeah, come on,

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Speaker 5: we've got to get him back on and see if

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Speaker 5: he does agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Big win for abundance.

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Speaker 4: It's I mean, yeah, you get, you get name checked,

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Speaker 4: your book gets name checked at the signing of the

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Speaker 4: repeal of this major law.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's as we're getting results.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it were there a month co author, that's right,

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Speaker 6: within months of the book coming out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think it had a I think it

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Speaker 4: played a role definitely because here Newsom said that he

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Speaker 4: would not sign the budget unless they included this with it.

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Speaker 4: So this was not like a standalone thing that the

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Speaker 4: legislature wanted to pass news and demanded it through this process.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Israel.

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Speaker 6: Ryan, move on here to a post from Piers Morgan.

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Speaker 6: This is D one. We can put it on the

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Speaker 6: screen saying huge, great work, President Real Donald Trump. Because

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Speaker 6: Trump posted a true social yesterday saying, my representative has

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Speaker 6: had a long and productive meeting with the Israelis today

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Speaker 6: on Gaza. Israel has agreed to the necessary conditions to

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Speaker 6: finalize the sixty day ceasefire, during which time we will

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Speaker 6: work with all parties to end the war. The Kataris

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Speaker 6: and Egyptians, who have worked very hard to help bring peace,

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Speaker 6: will deliver this final proposal. I hope for the good

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Speaker 6: of the Middle East that Hamas takes this deal, because

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Speaker 6: it will not get better, it will only get worse.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for your attention to this matter, Ryan, he

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Speaker 6: signs when he signs the posts, we thank you for

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Speaker 6: your attention to this matter. Just it gives me any time,

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Speaker 6: every time, even in these awful, awful news cycles, which

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Speaker 6: is what we're talking about here, Because some way, somehow,

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Speaker 6: this is D two. It's a vo we can start rolling.

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Speaker 6: This is getting worse. The situation in Gaza is.

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Speaker 4: Getting worse, right, Yeah, And you know, every time you

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Speaker 4: check the drop side Twitter feed almost seems like you're

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Speaker 4: gonna see another report of twenty five thirty forty five

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Speaker 4: eighty Palestinians killed in the latest strike or attack at

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Speaker 4: an aid center. This was shot by one of our reporters, Yeah, in.

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Speaker 5: In Gaza and as you as you could see there, it's.

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Speaker 4: This absolutely beautiful seaside cafe which is very popular among

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Speaker 4: journalists because because it has Wi Fi and it is

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Speaker 4: very very All you have to do is look at

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Speaker 4: it to see that obviously this would not be anywhere

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Speaker 4: that a militant. You're not building you just I mean

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Speaker 4: just physically, you can't build a tunnel right next to

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Speaker 4: the beach like that. You can see the beach from

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Speaker 4: the cafe. This is a place where journalists go and

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Speaker 4: then families too, of.

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Speaker 6: Course, and it is known for being a place for.

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Speaker 4: Right and there was a and this is about a

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Speaker 4: month after they struck a Thai restaurant in Gaza City

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Speaker 4: that was also known before its Wi Fi, but also

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Speaker 4: just culturally it became known as like a place where

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Speaker 4: all the journalists hung out, and they struck that direct.

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Speaker 5: Killing, you know, multiple journalists both both times.

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Speaker 4: In that case you saw the results, more than twenty

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Speaker 4: people killed, and and and they go on and on

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Speaker 4: the anyway, there's there's more to that, but you can

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Speaker 4: you can read about it in the story or don't

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Speaker 4: need to burden people with it here. But it's it's

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Speaker 4: just an absolutely ongoing genocide. It's it's it's unbelievable that

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Speaker 4: this continues to go on.

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Speaker 5: So how serious is this ceasefire?

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Speaker 4: The Israelis finally are now There was a long pause

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Speaker 4: between Trump posting that he had gotten their agreement to

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Speaker 4: a cease fire, very very long pause, and the Israeli's

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Speaker 4: coming out and saying that there's some optimism around it.

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Speaker 4: They didn't even go all the way and confirm it.

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Speaker 5: Kind of like when.

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Speaker 4: These long pauses can be disturbing, like when Peter Duth

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Speaker 4: that or Brass Douth that's like should humanity survive?

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Speaker 5: It's like Peter Thiel's.

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Speaker 1: Like, well, I mean the beds, you know.

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Speaker 4: So they're now saying okay, So it's clearly some pressures

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Speaker 4: being applied and they're saying, okay, maybe we're going to

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Speaker 4: get there.

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Speaker 5: H Hamas is saying.

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Speaker 4: You know that they're open as always to any deal

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Speaker 4: that leads to an end to the war.

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Speaker 5: Like that's that has long been their position.

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Speaker 4: And they and they have said that we will we

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Speaker 4: will turn over authority in Gaza some somebody else, not

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Speaker 4: these Raelies, like they have to withdraw, but they will

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Speaker 4: turn over authority to somebody else. And you know that

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Speaker 4: they we could have this deal by now, all the

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Speaker 4: hostages could be out by now, because the deal that

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Speaker 4: was reached in January was in phases, and the phase

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Speaker 4: one went off effectively, and then as phase two was

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Speaker 4: supposed to start and that you know, unilaterally broke it.

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Speaker 4: And so the only now at the end of July,

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Speaker 4: the Knesset goes out of session until the fall. So

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Speaker 4: there's some thinking that nen Yah, who wanted to wage

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Speaker 4: war all the way up until the Knesse went out

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Speaker 4: of session, then be pressured into the ceasefire. And then

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Speaker 4: he can't lose his government because even if smotridgrom ben

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Speaker 4: Giver quit at that point, there's no Kannesse to overthrow.

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Speaker 5: And also there was a.

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Speaker 4: There was a vote to you know, oust him, and

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Speaker 4: you can't have a second vote within six months. So

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Speaker 4: he actually should be fine, like he could take this

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Speaker 4: and his government shouldn't fall apart at least for six

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Speaker 4: months or so. Meanwhile, Trump's been trying to get the

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Speaker 4: judges to drop these corruption charges against nya Who, thinking

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Speaker 4: that like that might be some obstacle to Nen Yaho

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Speaker 4: getting a deal because if then yaw who feels this

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Speaker 4: gun to his head that if he loses his power

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Speaker 4: he's going to jail, then he will just continue the

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Speaker 4: genocide and definitely just to stay out of.

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Speaker 6: Jail and drop said had a report on the cafe attack.

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Speaker 6: This is D three.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can put u D three and this

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Speaker 4: is yeah, check this or not all. This piece also

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Speaker 4: includes lots of details about the ongoing negotiations.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and in the meantime Ryan D four. This is

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Speaker 6: from huff Posts. A couple of interesting developments out of

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Speaker 6: the Pentagon. Yes, well I shouldn't say out of the Pentagon,

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Speaker 6: but out of the Trump foreign policy. So I think

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Speaker 6: this was what Patriot missiles. They're halting some shipments of

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Speaker 6: air defense missiles Ukraine amid concerns that it's own stock

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Speaker 6: polsive such applies have declined too much, official said, according.

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Speaker 1: To huff Post and Bridge.

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Speaker 6: Colby was getting tons of heat from hawks on X

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Speaker 6: yesterday who were saying this is just shameful, people like

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Speaker 6: David French, absolutely shameful. I don't think Bridge has said

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Speaker 6: anything yet. He's Under Secretary for Defense, but he The argument,

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Speaker 6: according to his defenders on X, and it is a

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Speaker 6: very legitimate argument, by the way, is that the United

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Speaker 6: States's supply is running low for our own defense. Dan

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Speaker 6: Caldwell had a good post that I'm pulling up right

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Speaker 6: now about all of this. It's just like incredible that

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Speaker 6: you can be treated yet. So Dan says the choice

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Speaker 6: was either this was this either prioritize equipping our own

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Speaker 6: troops with ammunition in short supply and which was used

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Speaker 6: to defend US troops last week, or provide them to

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Speaker 6: a country with their limited US interests. So does David

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Speaker 6: support supplying Ukraine over our own troops, he asked, in

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Speaker 6: response to David French saying terrible. Halting patriots in particular

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Speaker 6: is viral vile.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, David French and these others want to live in

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Speaker 4: a world of no limits, right, I would love that'd

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Speaker 4: be great.

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Speaker 5: I mean, not necessarily for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Abundance times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got the environmental rules out of the way,

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Speaker 4: and you can and you'll just have endless amounts of

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Speaker 4: shells and Patriot missiles and all the other things.

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Speaker 5: Is that you Yeah, you can.

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Speaker 4: You can wage war basically anywhere you want all the

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Speaker 4: time and shoot as many rockets off as you want,

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Speaker 4: and you will never run out.

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Speaker 5: That is the world that David French would like to

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Speaker 5: live in. It's not the world that we live in.

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Speaker 4: We instead have just been emptying all of our warehouses,

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Speaker 4: putting them on planes, flying them to Ukraine and Israel

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Speaker 4: for whatever they're doing over there. And yeah, now we're

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Speaker 4: running low right, and like who you're gonna get mad

1293
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Speaker 4: at like physics?

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Speaker 5: Math?

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Speaker 4: Like rather, you're you're not mad at yourself for exhausting

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Speaker 4: all of your supplies?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, killing how many people? Good lord?

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Speaker 4: I mean if you combine the number of people killed

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Speaker 4: in Gaza and the number of people killed in Ukraine Russia,

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Speaker 4: like you haven't killed enough people.

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Speaker 5: Yet, And.

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Speaker 4: You're sad and you're and you're upset that you exhausted

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Speaker 4: all your supplies, killing many of thousands of people, maybe

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Speaker 4: over a million, for what like how like it's it's

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Speaker 4: now twenty twenty five, doing this since twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Is the world better today because we killed those million people?

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Speaker 6: Well, here is a connection between what we were just

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Speaker 6: talking about Gaza and Ukraine. And we're gonna get to

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Speaker 6: Syria in a moment as well. So that's one of

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Speaker 6: the other interesting developments out of the Trump foreign policy

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Speaker 6: just in the last couple of days. But when the

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Speaker 6: Ukraine war broke out, correct me if I'm wrong, Ryan,

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Speaker 6: but I believe Israel did not send weapons pers Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We were request we were back like we were asking

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Speaker 4: them to and and Zignski was begging them to like

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Speaker 4: send us some of these patriots and look at these

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Speaker 4: poor people and keep getting attacked, like send the missiles, help,

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Speaker 4: help help, and the whole world is standing with Ukraine,

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Speaker 4: and it was like, no, think so well have enough.

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Speaker 6: In a sense, they're recognizing they have not an infinite

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Speaker 6: supply of patriot missiles.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, and they cost the armous amount of money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh incredibly, and then we.

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Speaker 5: Make like ninety a year or whatever the dams or

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Speaker 5: whatever they are.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Actually, there's probably an abundance argument for the price

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Speaker 6: of patriot missiles being wildly high because of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's probably actually more of a strategic argument,

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Speaker 4: because if you can't get the costs of those down,

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Speaker 4: you can't win a war of attrition. This was a

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Speaker 4: twelve day war with Iran and they were basically out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so okay, so your whole strategy is you're going

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Speaker 5: to win every war in twelve days. Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 6: Okay, good luck, And let's talk about Syria fair bit

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Speaker 6: as well, because n I don't know if you've caught

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Speaker 6: this Reuter's report. This is the next tear street that

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Speaker 6: we can put on the screen. Insanely horrifying report. And

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Speaker 6: you know, always have to be skeptical of journalism in

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Speaker 6: the region. I guess there's maybe one broad way to

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Speaker 6: put it, but.

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Speaker 4: It's this is a very chaotic place though that the

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Speaker 4: journalism actually is actually more doable because people are freer

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Speaker 4: to speak than they would have been under Yes, you know,

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Speaker 4: you have to obviously take everything with the grain of salt,

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Speaker 4: but what was it.

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Speaker 6: Also you have to be careful with the claims of

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Speaker 6: competing you know, like sometimes literally tribal factions and all

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Speaker 6: of that.

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Speaker 1: But this this.

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Speaker 6: Report is incredibly well detailed. What Reuter said basically was

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Speaker 6: put together names of like fifteen hundred people that were

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Speaker 6: slaughtered by No, they make a connection to the government forces.

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Speaker 6: People can dispute that, but the Router's report is that

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Speaker 6: with knowledge, complicity, and probably direction from the new administration.

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Speaker 6: The Trump administration meanwhile, has just lifted sanctions on the

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Speaker 6: new government.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and particularly on the guys who are singled out

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Speaker 4: for these massacres.

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Speaker 1: Right, but I don't know, Well, so here you go

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Speaker 1: on to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the backstory here is in March there was

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Speaker 4: there what there were some moves by the regime remnants

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Speaker 4: to try to reassert authority in certain areas they had

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Speaker 4: become and mas has been on the show talking about

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Speaker 4: this aside wasn't his forces were not totally routed. Some

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Speaker 4: of the regime elements became like gangs that controlled particular

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Speaker 4: areas and were still involved in like the capta gun

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Speaker 4: drug trade, and and we're going to hold on to

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Speaker 4: these territories. And actually, you know, in some respects depending

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Speaker 4: on how you can that they still do. And so

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Speaker 4: there was some sense that they were making a move

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Speaker 4: to kind of actually take back power because Jolani's hold

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01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 4: on power and is extremely tenuous, Like you know, he

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Speaker 4: swept in with like you know, a couple hundred, couple

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01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 4: thousand guys on like pick up trucks and motorbikes trying

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Speaker 4: to hold a massive country. And how much he actually

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Speaker 4: controls Theria is exaggerated, like there's like from you know,

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Speaker 4: Mas there. It has been you know, several weeks since

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Speaker 4: he was there. But he was saying like it's from

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01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 4: suburb to suburb, Like there's different like controlling authorities with

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Speaker 4: various levels of allegiance or rivalry with the quote unquote

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Speaker 4: central government. Uh So, he's kind of he's sort of

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Speaker 4: he's he's like a fake it till you make it leader.

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01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 4: He acts like one, but you can't really do much

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Speaker 4: in the way of direction.

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Speaker 6: Uh So, these although the sanctions are now lifted after

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01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 6: he had apparently good meeting with.

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Speaker 5: Trump, that's the make it part. Yeah, yeah, so he

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Speaker 5: might end up.

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Speaker 1: Making put that suit on until you get those sanctions list.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 4: And so these two guys, I don't have my laptop.

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Speaker 4: I think one of them's one of them's nomageaz Abu Baker.

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01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 4: Another is like is it Hamza. These guys are directly

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Speaker 4: tied to Turkey. These are but you know Turkey has

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Speaker 4: it was, you know, sponsors the entire thing, but like

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01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 4: they have they they directly sponsor particular factions and this

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01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 4: this masker was carried out by this faction that was

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Speaker 4: directly sponsored and takes direct orders from from Turkey and

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01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 4: so yeah, these were these were this is out and

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Speaker 4: it became like a complete masker that roped in many

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01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 4: many civilians.

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01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 6: Like the Reuters story starts with a man's heart being

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01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 6: literally cut out of his chest and placed on top

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01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 6: of his body.

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01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, medieval. It was a dark dark several days.

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01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 4: And and then interestingly, it was quote unquote central government

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01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 4: that's sent in sent in troops quote unquote because we're

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01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 4: we're watching state formation take place. So I'm putting all

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01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 4: these things in quotes to tamp this down. And then

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01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 4: you had Israel come in and like bomb the DRUS

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01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 4: or whatever and like a totally bizarre way, So what

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01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 4: are you doing, Like why are you attacking the drus

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01:11:56,360 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 4: or like this stop like not not helpful here. And

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01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 4: so this center Gum did put a stop to it

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01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 4: after this like extreme level of violence, like absolutely horrifying

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01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 4: level of violence.

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01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 5: And then.

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Speaker 4: So now Trump has lifted all these sanctions across the board,

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01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 4: which is a separate policy from specifically lifting sanctions on

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01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 4: these two guys who are known to be or understood

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 4: to be like the main culprits who are tight with

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01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 4: air to one, So that that feels like that was

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01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 4: that was an air to one ask, because like you

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01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 4: can you could lift sanctions on Syria and say, all right,

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01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 4: you know you want to do reconstruction, that's fine. You know,

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01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 4: energy infrastructure, it's fine, like tele telecoms, American companies can

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01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 4: work there. We're lifting all of those sanctions. But these

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01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,759
Speaker 4: butchers who carried out this massacre, they're still sanctioned.

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01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 8: Like that.

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Speaker 5: Those are different kinds of sanctions. You could do. To

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01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 5: lift those is a choice. Then I'd be curious. Hopefully

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01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:03,640
Speaker 5: we'll get some reporting.

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01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 4: Like what role air Towan played, like why and why

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01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 4: the Trump administration was like yeah, we'll do that.

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01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, especially because Israel was not in favor of

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01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 6: the United States lifting all of the sanctions. Uh Jilani

1439
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 6: now goes by Al Shara says that they want to

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 6: start talks over a deal with Israel potentially.

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 4: But it shows you can be like former al Qaeda, Yeah,

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01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 4: and as long as you're cool Israel.

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01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: It's inspiring. Really, anybody can make it.

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 5: Anybody can make it, just one condition, one condition, all right, Well,

1445
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 5: and they can still bomb you whenever they want, like

1446
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 5: Israel continues to just bomb Syria at will.

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01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 6: Like I said, just a true heartwarming story. It is

1448
01:13:53,200 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 6: of yes, of redemption and peace. Maybe someday, let's talk

1449
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,759
Speaker 6: about this CNN threat from Donald Trump. The latest CNN

1450
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 6: threat from Donald Trump, and also parrot with Breaking News.

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01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 6: This happened actually not long before we came into the

1452
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 6: studio that CBS, which has a pending merger, which by

1453
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 6: the way, is with a company owned by Larry Ellison's son,

1454
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 6: run by Larry Ellison's son. Larry Ellison is obviously an

1455
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 6: Oracle founder, very close with the Trump administration. Pending merger

1456
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 6: between Skydance and CBS. CBS settled for the exact same

1457
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 6: amount of money that ABC settled the Trump suit over,

1458
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 6: and that was a much more serious lawsuit, by the way,

1459
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:46,520
Speaker 6: because ABC had actually missed reported information about Trump's liability

1460
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 6: in I think it was the e Gene Carrol case.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen million dollar.

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Speaker 6: Settlement for CBS, that's a small price to pay to

1463
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 6: potentially get their merger through and we'll talk about that

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 6: in a second. Let's before we circle back around that,

1465
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 6: play this point that Trump made, or play this clip

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01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 6: that Trump made about potentially prosecuting CNN over its coverage

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01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 6: of the Iran bombing.

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Speaker 1: This is e one.

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Speaker 6: CNN yesterday worked an app that lets you trap where

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Speaker 6: ICE agents.

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Speaker 11: Are saying, perhaps.

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Speaker 8: Actually prosecuted that.

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01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're working with the Department Justice.

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01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 9: We can't prosecute that because what they're doing is actively

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01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 9: encouraging people to avoid or activities operations, and we're gonna

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01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 9: actually go after them and prosecute them.

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01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 5: FAMI, because what they're doing is.

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Speaker 11: A legal and.

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Speaker 12: Literated do you.

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Speaker 8: The homes that we hit the target? So it made

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Speaker 8: me very.

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01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 6: Well, oh boy, Ryan, we were talking about this earlier

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01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 6: in the show. Were served debaated it earlier in the

1484
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 6: show about fascism and Trump's seriousness about fascism or not

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01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 6: serious about fascism, because I tend to think a lot

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01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 6: of it is a larp, not all of it. ICE

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01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 6: agents pulling remeisa Oz Turk off the street over an

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01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 6: anti Israel bed is a good example of them very

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01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 6: much not LARPing and making good on their their sort

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01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 6: of flirtation with authoritarianism. This how serious do we think

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01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 6: this is? I don't think this one serious.

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01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 5: I guess I don't know. I think.

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01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 4: I think what presidents say matters. So it is a

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01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 4: direct intimidation of the press to threaten to put them

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01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 4: in jail for reporting something that they don't like. We

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01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 4: also speak of a mos over at drop site. We

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01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 4: have a piece today at drop Site which is an

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01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 4: interview with a I Ronnie and nuclear scientists saying, yeah,

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01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 4: they didn't actually like according to his information, that moved

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Speaker 4: a bunch of stuff and like the fourdah was not,

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01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 4: you know, totally destroyed like Trump is saying, which matches

1502
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 4: with what the intel is that's been leaked so far.

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01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 5: And so are they gonna prosecute us to like you

1504
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 5: just thinking like.

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01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: They're intimidated by this thing?

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01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 5: I wasn't.

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01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, we published good point, so yeah, I guess not

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01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 4: afraid of that. The funniest part to me remains Trump's

1509
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 4: fixation on the feelings of the pilots' they were so

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01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 4: brave and they were so proud of what they did.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that works that the public?

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01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 6: Though?

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01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: Don't you think a public hears that?

1514
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 4: And They're like, yeah, no, because these are fighter pilots,

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01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 4: not nine year olds playing soccer. They don't need a

1516
01:17:53,680 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 4: participation trophy like it mattered, Like yeah, like sorry, we

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01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 4: keep score.

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01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 5: Like we're not doing this thing. We're like, what was

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01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 5: the score?

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Speaker 8: Dad?

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01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 4: We don't keep scoring. It doesn't matter if the ball

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01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 4: went in the net or missed the net. Like that's

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01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 4: the American approach to it.

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01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean feel like we're doing war.

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Speaker 5: It matters if the ball goes in the net. Did

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Speaker 5: you hit the.

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Speaker 4: Target or not, it's not it. I'm sorry that your

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Speaker 4: feelings are hurt if you missed it.

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Speaker 6: Well per usual, Well you just did. Everyone gets a trophy.

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01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 6: Got to get rid of that mentality.

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Speaker 4: Actually get a trophy just for pressing the button on

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Speaker 4: your bomb.

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Speaker 5: It's got to actually hit the target.

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Speaker 6: The media, I feel like it actually was pretty celebratory

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Speaker 6: about they were the media love about military action.

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Speaker 4: And also I'm happy to pretend that the nuclear program

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Speaker 4: was absolutely annihilated.

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Speaker 5: Let's just say no need for any more war.

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01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 4: The beautiful pilots courageously struck all of their targets, especially

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Speaker 4: the ones way underneath the mountain.

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Speaker 5: It's completely obliterated, and nothing was moved.

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Speaker 4: Either nothing was moved, and we need no more war

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01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 4: and give them all a trophy, give them like four

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01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 4: foot tall trophies that they need.

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Speaker 5: They need like both hands to carry them home.

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Speaker 6: Just to continue the point about whether this is actually

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01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 6: intimidating or not. As I recover from the double handed

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Speaker 6: trophy illustration.

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Speaker 5: How do you take a selfie like you don't want

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01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 5: to drop your trophy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.

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01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 6: And you can't pop the ship pain if you have

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01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 6: two hands on a trophy or take it so.

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01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 5: Maybe a little smaller, some dignified.

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01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, it could be a beautiful metals books.

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Speaker 5: I participated in the twelve day war.

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Speaker 6: Okay, recover it the seriousness of the threat. A great

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Speaker 6: example of this is the CBS lawsuit that was just

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01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 6: settled at the recommendation of share Redstone because they want

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Speaker 6: to get the sky Dance merger through.

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Speaker 1: This was not a serious lawsuit. I was reading through

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Speaker 1: the lawsuit this morning.

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Speaker 6: Actually, what I was waiting to pick Ryan up stctioneer

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01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 6: in DC. It refers to like Kamala, not miss Harris

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01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 6: Senator vice president Harris Kamala throughout it sites like bright

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Speaker 6: bart articles. It wasn't a serious lawsuit, and it just

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01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 6: speaks to the fact that CBS was not at all

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Speaker 6: intimidated that they were going to be found in violation.

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Speaker 5: They won an Emmy for that interview.

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Speaker 6: By the way, I will say they deceptively edited the

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01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris interview. Every network does that every single day.

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Speaker 6: That what they aired on Face the Nation was different

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01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 6: than what they aired on Sixty Minutes, and I think

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01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 6: it was materially different. I think you got a different

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01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,759
Speaker 6: version of the answer, a significantly different version of the answer.

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Speaker 6: She was being Kamala Harris was being pressed on Gaza, basically,

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01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 6: on Israel and whether the Biden administration was being taken

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01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 6: seriously by the Nets and Yahoo basically.

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01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: And they aired a very different version of it on

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01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,879
Speaker 1: both shows. And that speaks to the power.

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Speaker 6: Of the media. Everyone kind of knows that the media

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01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 6: is doing that. This was a good example of it.

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Speaker 6: It is not, and it should not be something that

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01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 6: you can actually be found liable of defamation whatever by

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01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,839
Speaker 6: a politician for doing it's wrong.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine though, if the president was set that

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Speaker 4: everybody who doesn't give full context to a clip of

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Speaker 4: an interview, Yeah, it has to pay seventeen million dollars

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01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 4: to Trump seriously, like, how many Twitter accounts are out

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01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,360
Speaker 4: there clipping like twenty five seconds of an interview where

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01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 4: Trump feel like, you know, the whole two and a

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01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 4: half minutes gives a slightly different context, So that'll be

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Speaker 4: seventeen million dollars or you don't get your merger, Yeah,

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01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 4: you don't get This is not about what it's about.

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Speaker 5: What it's actually about is this merger he's doing.

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Speaker 4: It is a way to give money directly to the

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01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 4: president so that he will sign off on a corporate

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01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 4: merger that's worth much more than seventeen million dollars.

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Speaker 6: Right, And CBS is not admitting wrongdoing in the settlement.

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Speaker 6: It is money that is going to his presidential library.

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Speaker 6: Do you think was the same thing in the ABC

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01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 6: case both sixteen million dollars settlements. I think when ABC settled,

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01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,839
Speaker 6: people who at the time were worried about the president

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01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 6: that they set by settling are being vindicated because Trump

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01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 6: has realized that he can essentially extort money for his

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01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 6: presidential library. If that's what is going on behind the

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01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 6: scenes of this, it looks like Redstone saw that and

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01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 6: realized that you can sort of come to the table

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01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 6: and look like you're making a deal with the administration

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01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 6: in a way that actually grant's favor with the president.

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Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens with their merger.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's a the other tin cups. Zuckerberg tried

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01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 6: to do that. Zuckerberg tried to do that with the

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01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 6: FTC and it did not work. Zuckerberg tried to give

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01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 6: a ton of money to Donald Trump into the Inaugural

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01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 6: Fund and all of that, and the FTC is continuing

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Speaker 6: in its suit.

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01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: It's metasuit.

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01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, the other tin cup that they put out, And

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01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 4: I wonder if you've heard this around town, and so

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01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 4: people should look to see whether or not ABC or

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01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 4: CBS end up becoming like investors in Millennia's documentary.

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01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: Like Amazon, Like that's.

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Speaker 5: The word around town. Another way that you need to another.

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Speaker 4: Basically, it's a coin operated and you have to find

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01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 4: the different buckets. And one of the buckets you're supposed

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01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 4: to put coins into is this Millennia documentary. We'll see

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01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 4: if it ever gets made, but you can imagine how

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01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 4: the scheme would work that the thing will, you know,

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01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 4: raise a billion dollars in investment capital and then it'll

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01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 4: make one hundred million, and you'll go back to the

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01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 4: investors and be like, real shame that investment didn't pan out. Well,

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01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 4: you got your merger.

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Speaker 6: You don't even know how much it makes though, because

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01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 6: it's going to be on Prime, So it's not like

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01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 6: there are tickets.

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01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 5: Right and then Prime can like overpay them for it.

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01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 6: Yeah. So as dumb as the CBS editing was, it's

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01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 6: also just like we're I don't even think Trump would

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01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 6: deny this. We're in roy Cone territory once again.

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01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 5: Oh yes, yeah, he's loving it.

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01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, Well, thanks everyone for sticking with us

1643
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 6: on this wild travel twenty four hour period. As we

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Speaker 6: made our way into the studio, Ryan doing a literal planes, trains,

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01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 6: an automobile journey from Miami to Washington.

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Speaker 4: Also, the show would have been on time if this

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01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 4: were in China, Like it took like it took like

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01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 4: three and a half hours in the end to get

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01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 4: from Richmond to DC. It's a thirty minute train ride

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Speaker 4: in China.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. The Richmond, the Richmond leg of your trip was

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01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 6: especially egregious. I had was.

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01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 4: Supposed to start at four fifty two am, didn't start

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Speaker 4: till six oh five.

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Speaker 5: I didn't get in until nine, and here you are.

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Speaker 6: I had two delayed flights and one canceled flight yesterday.

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01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 6: It was trying to get back. Was also wild, but

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01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 6: not quite as wild as yours was. Stick around for

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01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 6: the ask me anything. If you are a premium subscriber,

1660
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 6: If you aren't a premium subscriber, Breaking points dot com

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01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 6: a monthly subscriptions one good deal. Yep, absolutely so head

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01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 6: on over the there. Otherwise, Ryan, I think both of

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Speaker 6: us are back here tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: That's right. We will be an easy one that's coming

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01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 5: from inside the city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, compared and will be very easy.

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 1: We will see you back here tomorrow. Everyone,