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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: I'm Channeler Roam with Tyler Stafford and Tyler what is

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Speaker 1: that on your face?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're watching on YouTube. I accidentally have a mustache.

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Speaker 2: I was shaving the other night and it the thing

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Speaker 2: that everyone is afraid of happened to me, which is

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Speaker 2: that my electric razor died when I had just like

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Speaker 2: a foo man chew rocking. Luckily, it was just late

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Speaker 2: at night so I could shave it the next morning.

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Speaker 2: So I went to bed with literally just like the

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Speaker 2: full on nineties bullpen arm goateea looking thing. And then

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Speaker 2: when we woke up the next morning, my wife was like,

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Speaker 2: it's not terrible if you like trim up the sides,

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately that's all I needed to hear from her,

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Speaker 2: of like, cool, I'm going to become a mustache guy now,

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Speaker 2: so we're gonna try it out for a bit. So

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm rocking. Plus we're about to have another baby,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like, as a father, there's got to

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Speaker 2: be at least one picture of me with a baby

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Speaker 2: with a mustache on, just to complete the cycle. Did

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Speaker 2: your dad have a mustache? Grown? Up.

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Speaker 1: It does he did growing up. Now he's got a

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Speaker 1: full goateee.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I remember my dad had one for twenty years.

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Speaker 2: In the day that he shaved it off, we all

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Speaker 2: had to have like a family meeting. It was like,

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Speaker 2: what's happening? You look so weird. So that's what I'm trying.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to traumatize my children.

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Speaker 1: Basically, your dad was a pastor, right, or as a

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Speaker 1: pastor was, Yeah, did you guys have to pray as

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Speaker 1: to whether the mustache would be gone?

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Speaker 2: Well for those of you, the friends of mine in

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Speaker 2: my group chats that grew up with me, Our our

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Speaker 2: music pastor had an even more iconic mustache, shout out Jack.

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Speaker 2: And when he when he shaved it off, it was

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Speaker 2: truly terrifying. He I mean, he had like the caterpillar

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Speaker 2: rocking for for a long time.

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Speaker 1: There's a music pastor, and a and another kind of pastor.

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Speaker 1: There's different, Yeah, there's Differently.

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Speaker 2: I play guitar in a church, Yeah, there's there's different roles. Well,

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Speaker 2: glory b Yeah, you're you're learning all kinds of new things.

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Speaker 2: You'll have to come check it out.

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Speaker 1: I want to unpack one other thing you said, you said,

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Speaker 1: your wife woke up, looked at your mustache, said it's

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Speaker 1: not terrible.

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Speaker 2: And which is which is high praise?

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Speaker 1: Is that the mantra for you guys as a union

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Speaker 1: or is that just a one off thing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean the what I'm shooting for as a

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Speaker 2: husband is not terrible. And if I can reach that

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Speaker 2: every day, I'm crushing it.

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Speaker 1: As I'm not married, but I would imagine many married

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Speaker 1: people that are listening to this probably can relate to that. Uh,

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Speaker 1: pretty heavily. So good job on relating to the common folk. Josh,

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Speaker 1: have you ever heard of the guy named Josh Echnes.

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Speaker 2: Well, first off, I'm Tyler. We've been doing a podcast

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Speaker 2: for a while now. We've known each other like a decade.

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Speaker 2: But no, who is this this fellow?

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Speaker 1: So he went to Uh, I always can find a

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Speaker 1: local angle with these things. Uh, he's from the Woodlands.

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Speaker 1: I went to Lamar for a minute. He pitched intoday's

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Speaker 1: Great Fruit League game in Jupiter against the Astros. Hometown

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Speaker 1: matchup kind of thing. Cam Smith hit a triple off

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Speaker 1: of him that was one oh five off. The bat

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Speaker 1: went four hundred and twenty one feet and again sent

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Speaker 1: Twitter into an absolute frenzy over a hit in an

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Speaker 1: exhibition game. Uh. Josh Ecknes has thrown four innings above

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Speaker 1: hya as a professional, much on.

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Speaker 2: The same level as Cam Smith, much like a fair matchup.

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Speaker 1: Right, Which is what you know. What I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: say here is, let's temper a lot of expectations for

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Speaker 1: Great Fruit League games. Let's not fall in love with

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Speaker 1: results good, bad, indifferent, anything in the middle, because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more layers to this. You need to understand

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Speaker 1: who these guys are facing, what these guys are working on.

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Speaker 1: Things like that Cam Smith did today what he should

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Speaker 1: do against a picture of his ilk, but still very

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Speaker 1: very impressive to see him still raking in major league

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Speaker 1: Great Fruit League games. And Tyler, you know, when we

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Speaker 1: were discussing how what we're gonna do for this podcast,

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Speaker 1: I said, we're gonna do a pitching preview, which we

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Speaker 1: are because I just can't sit here and break down

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Speaker 1: Great Fruit League games. I can't. I know Joseel Tuov

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Speaker 1: time we talked. I saw he had that one adventurous

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Speaker 1: throw his first chance out there.

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Speaker 2: Broke from about thirty feet behind second base. It was

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Speaker 2: not it was not far out in the outfield.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't break this down like maybe I'm

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Speaker 1: bad at my job, maybe I don't care enough, but

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Speaker 1: I can't break down like at bats in exhibition games

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Speaker 1: or defensive plays and exhibition like And if that's what

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Speaker 1: you guys want, then let me know. Then we'll we'll

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Speaker 1: devote this podcast. We'll do play by play of Great

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Speaker 1: Fruit League games if you guys want that. But Tyler,

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Speaker 1: before we move on to the pitching, I guess we

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Speaker 1: have to get it out of the way. Is anything

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Speaker 1: in the last you know, five or six Great Fruit

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Speaker 1: League games since we talk, is anything caught your eye?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Cam Smith rules, I don't care that it's uh

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Speaker 2: spring training. I couldn't hit five hundred off a little

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Speaker 2: league team, Like, I don't care who he's playing against.

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Speaker 2: He's freaking raking the ball. It's so much fun. And

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Speaker 2: like we said, like you can just tell like watching

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Speaker 2: him in the Batter's Boss like he is, he's so good.

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Speaker 2: And again, yeah, it's spring training. They don't count yet,

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Speaker 2: but I think we've seen enough to at least say, like, okay,

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Speaker 2: you can you can pencil this guy in as being

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Speaker 2: in the big leagues by the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: Next year, you know, again, who knows what it's going

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Speaker 2: to be career wise. But sometimes you have top prospects

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Speaker 2: and it's like they're so far away that you're not

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Speaker 2: even really caring, you know. I mean that was the

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Speaker 2: thing with Forest Whitley forever right, being drafted out of

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Speaker 2: high school. It's like, even if he's great, he's three

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Speaker 2: or four years away, Like Camp Smith is close. And

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Speaker 2: I think that's the fun part is knowing, like, all right,

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Speaker 2: this is a spot of need for the team. He

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Speaker 2: looks good. You know, he doesn't look overmatch, which is

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Speaker 2: really all you're looking for. Is like, as long as

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Speaker 2: you're not getting embarrassed up there, the fact that he's

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Speaker 2: doing this well is just icing on the cake.

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Speaker 1: No, you are one hundred percent right that he looks

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Speaker 1: like he belongs, which is what they want from these

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Speaker 1: non roster guys when they bring them up to camp.

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Speaker 1: They don't want the guys that are going to walk

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Speaker 1: in eyes wide, don't know where to go, tail between

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Speaker 1: their legs, and just don't look like they belong in

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Speaker 1: a big league clubhouse. But they also don't want the

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Speaker 1: guy that's going to come in talk a lot of smack,

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Speaker 1: draw a lot of attention to himself, and kind of

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Speaker 1: be in the hierarchy of service time organization. Things like that.

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Speaker 1: Camp Smith has found the perfect medium. Like he's talkative,

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Speaker 1: he's inquisitive. You know he's in the clubhouse, but you

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Speaker 1: don't know he's there. Like he's not making a big

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Speaker 1: deal about himself. He's doing his interviews very kind of

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Speaker 1: away from people, not making a big deal out of it.

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Speaker 1: He knows how to handle this. The makeup has always

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Speaker 1: been kind of off the charts with him, and I

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Speaker 1: think they're seeing that in spring training. But one thing

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Speaker 1: you said, Tyler that I think kind of clicked with me.

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Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned Forrest Whitley. You know, I remember

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Speaker 1: my first Spring training that I covered as a beat writer.

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Speaker 1: Forest Whitley threw a live VP on a backfield, and

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Speaker 1: I kid you not, the entire Astros front office show up,

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Speaker 1: like Jeff Luno, Brandon Tom and Pete Patilla, Every AGM

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Speaker 1: was out there, every coach was out there. It was

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Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty people watching this twenty year

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Speaker 1: old throw a live VP. And I'll never forget. I

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Speaker 1: like charted every pitch of this thing. I went up

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Speaker 1: to Springer and Altuve and Korea and Bragman, all these

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Speaker 1: guys that faced him to get like, you know, what

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Speaker 1: do these pitches look like? Like how good is he? And

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Speaker 1: like we wrote it as if like, oh man, this

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Speaker 1: guy's gonna make the big leagues like this year, like

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Speaker 1: he's ready, and now we've seen how that's gone. So

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Speaker 1: maybe that's why I'm jaded in this a little bit

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Speaker 1: that you've we have seen, whether it's Whitley, justin Dearden

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Speaker 1: a few years ago was doing this in Great Fruit

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Speaker 1: League games, so Joey Loperfito last year. Like, we've seen

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Speaker 1: guys light up the Great Fruit League and become the

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Speaker 1: talk of spring training and then you never hear from them.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case with Cam Smith, But

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Speaker 1: I just think we're a little jaded kind of in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I said, it's not the stats,

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Speaker 2: it's the way they had bats look. And as we

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Speaker 2: and he just worked a seven pitch walk that looked

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Speaker 2: really good. He fouled off a couple of tough fastballs,

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Speaker 2: laid off high one again, like that's what you're looking for.

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Speaker 2: Is it's not just that he's hitting the ball really hard.

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Speaker 2: It's not just that he's getting the results. It's the

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Speaker 2: bats that look really, really good.

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Speaker 1: When we said we would do play by play of

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Speaker 1: great fruity games, we were not lying.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give the it's off of a man named

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Speaker 2: Jesse Bergen Brgin who cares. Don't matter. The point is

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Speaker 2: looked good.

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Speaker 1: Point is cam Smith, the truth.

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Speaker 2: Give me, give me one thing to be excited and

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Speaker 2: happy about. Okay, don't take this away from me.

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Speaker 1: Chandler your mustache. You're excited and happy about that. We

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Speaker 1: will do what I said earlier in preview the pitching staff.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tyler, Let's talk about this pitching staff that

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Speaker 1: I think kind of epitomizes or is kind of personifies

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Speaker 1: what this team is. Right, I think you have to

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Speaker 1: feel very confident the top four or five guys on

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Speaker 1: the whole staff we're talking Fromervel Does Hunter Brown, Brian Abray, you,

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone ever has enough at the beginning

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Speaker 1: Hayter also had his lowest whip since twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Last year, he was really good. He just has, like

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Speaker 1: The thing that got him last year. He gave up

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Speaker 2: on righties more because it runs armside, and so if

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Speaker 2: it's tailing out over the edge of the plate, batters

431
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Speaker 2: can barrel it up a little bit easier if it's

432
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Speaker 2: if it's coming in on your hands and then has

433
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Speaker 2: that late action, it's a lot harder to to turn

434
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Speaker 2: around on that, especially when you have to worry about

435
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: that backfoot slider that he throws. And I think that's

436
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Speaker 2: where most of his home runs came from. We're just

437
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Speaker 2: fastballs that ran out back over the plate. And so

438
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Speaker 2: again I think that, you know, home run luck doesn't

439
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Speaker 2: really carry over much either. I mean, you have guys

440
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Speaker 2: that give up more home runs because they give up

441
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Speaker 2: just more fly balls in general. But it's not like

442
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's a guy that gets tagged

443
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Speaker 2: for home runs a lot. Again, it just fluctuates so

444
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Speaker 2: drastically when you're only throwing sixty innings a year.

445
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Speaker 1: Something Joe Spot has said before, I left West Palm

446
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Speaker 1: Beach that that peaked my interest. We know, Josh Hater

447
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Speaker 1: kind of bucked his career long trends last year. He

448
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: went he got more than three outs seven times in

449
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Speaker 1: the regular season after not doing it at all for

450
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Speaker 1: the past three years in the regular season. We don't

451
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Speaker 1: need to relitigate how much Brian a Bray you pitched

452
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Speaker 1: last year. I believe there was only one qualified reliever

453
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Speaker 1: that pitched more than him last year. It seems like

454
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Speaker 1: he pitches in every other game the Astros play without

455
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Speaker 1: Ryan Presley. That really is going to put an onus

456
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Speaker 1: on Joe Spata to be careful with how he deploys

457
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Speaker 1: these guys. And the thing he said he's most concerned

458
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Speaker 1: with this year was not necessarily their appearances. He's more

459
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Speaker 1: concerned with when he gets these guys up, whether there's

460
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Speaker 1: a guy in the seventh inning that's, you know, there's

461
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Speaker 1: two on and one out. Does he get Brian to

462
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Speaker 1: break you up and throwing in the bullpen and inn

463
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Speaker 1: or does he let whoever is pitching in the seventh

464
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Speaker 1: inning try to get out of it. Because I think

465
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Speaker 1: that's something a lot of fans don't take into account.

466
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Speaker 1: When Aj Hinch managed here. Aj considered when a reliever

467
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Speaker 1: got up and warned in the bullpen, he considered that

468
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Speaker 1: an appearance because look, you don't just magically get hot

469
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Speaker 1: like you have to exert effort. You have to throw

470
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Speaker 1: a game speed in the bullpen to to get ready

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Speaker 1: to go. And Joe Aspadas said that he wants to

472
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Speaker 1: limit how much Brian abray You gets up to warm

473
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Speaker 1: up in the seventh inning with Josh Hater, how much

474
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Speaker 1: Josh Hater gets up to warm up maybe in the

475
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Speaker 1: middle of the eighth if Brian Abradley was struggling. So Tyler,

476
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Speaker 1: I think that's going to show us a lot early

477
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Speaker 1: in the season who this team trusts behind a bray

478
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Speaker 1: you and Hater and a longer leash maybe than you

479
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Speaker 1: saw last year from Joe Aspata with these guys. And

480
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Speaker 1: I'll give Joe Aspada a pass on the leash last

481
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Speaker 1: year because when you start seven to nineteen, you gotta

482
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Speaker 1: chase wins. They were chasing wins from May one on.

483
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Speaker 1: And you're gonna put in a bray you in the

484
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Speaker 1: seventh inning if you need to win a game, you're

485
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Speaker 1: gonna ask Hater to get five outs. If you need

486
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Speaker 1: to win a game. So I think the whole team

487
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Speaker 1: starting better could help. But we're gonna see pretty early

488
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Speaker 1: in the season, Tyler like who this team trusts before

489
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Speaker 1: their two back end guys, and we're gonna see whether

490
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Speaker 1: they can get out of trouble, because this is a

491
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Speaker 1: situation where Joe Spotta does not want to put these

492
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Speaker 1: guys in harm's way, especially after how much it re

493
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Speaker 1: used last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, again, that's kind of the fun of

495
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Speaker 2: the start of the season is figuring out who those

496
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Speaker 2: kind of middle relievers are and you just hope that

497
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Speaker 2: you can make those decisions with a four game lead

498
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: in the division, right, Like, that's really what it's going

499
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Speaker 2: to take for the Astros to figure that kind of

500
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Speaker 2: stuff out, is to get off to a good start

501
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Speaker 2: as a team.

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Speaker 1: I think we've talked enough about Fromber and Hunter Brown

503
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Speaker 1: just I mean, they've kind of reached that echelon of

504
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Speaker 1: you just kind of expect them to go out there

505
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Speaker 1: and be good. Fromber more so than Hunter Brown. But

506
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Speaker 1: Hunter Brown had such a large sample size by the

507
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Speaker 1: end of the season. It wasn't like he was good

508
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: for two months, like he was good for four and

509
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Speaker 1: a half months and then absolutely shoved in a playoff game,

510
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Speaker 1: in a do or die game, Like I think we

511
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Speaker 1: can graduate him to the you kind of expect him

512
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Speaker 1: to go out there and be good. The other three

513
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Speaker 1: members of this rotation that are going to open the

514
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Speaker 1: season Hayden was an Nesky, Spencer Aragedy, and Ronald Blanco.

515
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Speaker 1: We talked about Blanco a little bit. Let where are

516
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Speaker 1: you on Spencer Araghedtty because I'll tell you from being

517
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Speaker 1: in West Palm Beach, this is a kid that is

518
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Speaker 1: brimming with confidence like he is. He's acting like a caffeinated,

519
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: very hyped up, you know, kid that's really excited to

520
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: be at school, like he's talking to everybody he is making.

521
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Speaker 1: He is so much more confident, so much more set

522
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Speaker 1: in his skin, Like you can tell that what he

523
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Speaker 1: did last year has really, really, you know, propelled him

524
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Speaker 1: into a good place mentally this spring. But let's look

525
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Speaker 1: at what he did last year. I mean, he still

526
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Speaker 1: had a four or five three er and I know

527
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Speaker 1: people will look at his final fifteen starts of the

528
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Speaker 1: year's final fifteen appearances, he did have a three six

529
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Speaker 1: o ERA In those eighty innings. He almost no hit

530
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Speaker 1: the phillies. He pitched very well down the stretch, but

531
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Speaker 1: did have a FIP around four one five, which you

532
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Speaker 1: know indicates there was some some fortunate luck behind it.

533
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Speaker 1: He threw more innings last year than we have ever

534
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Speaker 1: seen him throw than he's ever thrown in his professional career.

535
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Speaker 1: I think Astros fans sometimes they don't realize what a

536
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Speaker 1: good fourth or fifth starter is. They believe that those

537
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Speaker 1: guys have to have sub three e ras and pitch

538
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Speaker 1: like Verlander and Cole. If the Astros get a four

539
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: and a half ERA from Spencer Araghedty for one hundred

540
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Speaker 1: and sixty innings, they'd take that in a heartbeat.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But do you think he's poised to maybe take a

543
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Speaker 1: little bit more of a leap or are we gonna

544
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Speaker 1: see maybe some regression to him?

545
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Speaker 4: Me?

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Speaker 2: I mean he's got the stuff right, Like he's the

547
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: breaking ball is really good.

548
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Speaker 4: Uh.

549
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Speaker 2: And it's just a consistency thing, right. I Mean there

550
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: are games, like you said, where he can go out

551
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: and almost no hit a team, and then there are

552
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: games where it's like, oh, you got to get somebody

553
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: up in the second inning because he just didn't have

554
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: it today. And the maturation of a starting pitcher is

555
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Speaker 2: when you can get through five without your best stuff.

556
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Speaker 2: He hasn't shown that yet, but I don't think that

557
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Speaker 2: that means that he's not capable of doing it right.

558
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Speaker 2: And like you said, I mean, if you could pencil

559
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Speaker 2: him in for five and a third in three runs

560
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: every fifth day, the Astros would be so excited. And

561
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a four and a half er, but

562
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: who cares, Like that's what you need from a starter,

563
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: And so it's it's really going to be limiting the

564
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Speaker 2: starts where he has to come out in the third inning,

565
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Speaker 2: and if he can do that, then whatever he puts

566
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: up they're going to be excited with. But if he's

567
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 2: going every fifth day and taking the ball into the

568
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: fifth inning, that's a great fourth starter.

569
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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to underscore kind of the

570
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Speaker 1: transformation he went through while in the big leagues last year,

571
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Speaker 1: Like it was written about and talked about at the time,

572
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Speaker 1: but like Alex Bregman like had to sit him down

573
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Speaker 1: and basically be like, you need to read the scouting report,

574
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: like you need to read that Luis Robert destroys sweepers

575
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Speaker 1: in this quadrant of the zone where you threw him

576
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Speaker 1: today against the White Sox, And when Bregman asked Aragedtty

577
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Speaker 1: why he threw that pitch, he was like, well, that's

578
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Speaker 1: one of my best pitches. And Bregman was like, well

579
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Speaker 1: that's cool. But Luise Robert hammers these pitches in that

580
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Speaker 1: quadrant and you set him up. So it has been

581
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Speaker 1: like a full rounded maturation for Aragetty. He's learning, you know,

582
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Speaker 1: how to follow scouting reports, he's learning other hitters' tendencies, because,

583
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Speaker 1: let's face it, in triple A and double A, mean

584
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Speaker 1: you you were down there like with the hooks. Was

585
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Speaker 1: was Joe Musgrove or or Christavinski or McCullers or anybody

586
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Speaker 1: back there?

587
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Speaker 2: Like really.

588
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Speaker 1: Were they reading scouting reports before the game or was

589
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Speaker 1: it just go out there throw your best stuff and

590
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Speaker 1: you know you can beat them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, when you're facing subpart competition, seven of

592
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: the nine guys in the lineup, you can just overpower

593
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: and so you're not having to worry about that too much. Honestly,

594
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Speaker 2: that comment made me less. I mean, yes, you want

595
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: your pictures reading this countering report. It's to me that's

596
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: more of an indication of the catcher of not communicating. Hey,

597
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: I don't care that you've shaken me off, like you're

598
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: not gonna throw this. You know, you have to have

599
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: some conviction there. And again, I think that's something that

600
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Speaker 2: Yiner can get better at. It's you know, it's not

601
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: like you're stuck in that forever. But I mean, we

602
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: talked about with Josh Miller of how do you balance

603
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Speaker 2: when to throw your best stuff versus when do you

604
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Speaker 2: throw the thing that the batter has weaknesses with, And

605
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's a guessing game, right because I

606
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: mean that same game against Luis Robert or whatever, you know,

607
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: you could have very easily thrown that same sweeper. But

608
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Speaker 2: if it had been set up by two fastballs inside

609
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Speaker 2: and you know, a change up away and maybe the

610
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,239
Speaker 2: change in the eye level, then that sweep for all

611
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: of a sudden generates a pop up to shortstop. So

612
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Speaker 2: it's not like you you don't throw your pitches, it's

613
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Speaker 2: just understanding when it's set up, when when it's time

614
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Speaker 2: to use them, and when it's time to rely on

615
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Speaker 2: maybe some of your secondary stuff, just because you know

616
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Speaker 2: that hitter particularly crushes one one pitch in one location

617
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Speaker 2: and maybe you just want to avoid that.

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Speaker 1: We're thirty two minutes then, so I feel like I

619
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Speaker 1: can say no, one's going to be listening, so I

620
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Speaker 1: feel like I can say this without starting a war.

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Speaker 1: This is why they liked Martin Maldonado. Like Martin Maldonado,

622
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Speaker 1: that is his value. These pitchers inherently just trusted anything

623
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Speaker 1: he punched into Pitchcolm. If they shook him off, they

624
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: better have had a damn good reason for doing it.

625
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: That's not to say Yin or Diaz can't get there,

626
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Speaker 1: but I mean again, this is a young player. This

627
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: is a player that is still learning the big leagues,

628
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: a player that's still evolving as an everyday catcher. I

629
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Speaker 1: think you'll be better at that this year from having

630
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Speaker 1: the experience of last year. But everyone that wondered why

631
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Speaker 1: Martin Maldonado kept playing so much.

632
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Speaker 2: That's why we also have to remember that in the minors,

633
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: like you're not as concerned with team success as a pitcher, right,

634
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: Like you're really just trying to put on tape what

635
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: you're good at, and so you're not scouting, you're not

636
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: game planning as much as you do in the big league.

637
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Speaker 2: So it is just an adjustment mentally to go from

638
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to earn my spot on the way up

639
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: to the majors, and so I just need to rely

640
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: on my best stuff because that's what's gotten me here

641
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: versus you're already here and now you have to trust

642
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: the scouting department, your catcher, your coaches, those types of things,

643
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Speaker 2: and it's just a different mindset.

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Speaker 1: Real quick, before we get out of here, we mentioned

645
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Speaker 1: two other guys, Renel Blanco. Hayden was an Esky. Renel

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Speaker 1: Blanco I kind of look at in the same vein

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Speaker 1: as Arraghetti through the most innings last year he's ever

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Speaker 1: thrown before. Was incredible the whole season. But you looked

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Speaker 1: at some underlying metrics, You looked at PIP, you looked

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Speaker 1: at things like that, and you could have sensed a

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Speaker 1: regression and it just never came. What do you expect

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Speaker 1: from Ronel Blanco? Kind of the same question we were

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Speaker 1: asking about Aarragedtti And then we've talked about Wiznski before,

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Speaker 1: but he has piggybacked fromber his first couple starts in

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Speaker 1: Great Fruit League play. I'm just gonna say the reason

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Speaker 1: they did that is because was Nesky's original Great Fruit

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Speaker 1: League debut got rained out and they wanted to keep

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Speaker 1: him on turn. So now he is just piggybacking with

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Speaker 1: Fromber every turn. That's not an indication of putting him

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Speaker 1: in the bullpen, not an indication of anything more long term,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be this team's fifth starter. What do you

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Speaker 1: see from both of those guys?

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Speaker 2: I expect Blanco to give four and a third innings

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Speaker 2: in Game six of the ALCS and wrap it up

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Speaker 2: for the Astros, right, isn't Isn't that what everyone's expecting.

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Speaker 1: Let's start right in the game or now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Thanks, Uh yeah, he's it's good. You know, you

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Speaker 2: don't expect a no hitter every time, but uh, he's

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Speaker 2: done it before, so maybe you do expect it every time.

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Speaker 2: You know, what's what's going on if he's given up

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Speaker 2: a hit. But again, the Astras need guys who can

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Speaker 2: eat innings. And if Blanco and was Nesky and Arraghetti

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Speaker 2: can combine for you know, four hundred, four hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty innings over the season, that's a win for the Astros.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned no hitters, and I don't know why this

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Speaker 1: popped in my head, like, do you realize or do

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Speaker 1: you think Ashra's fans realize how spoiled they are when

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Speaker 1: like literally every other week, some picture is carrying a

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Speaker 1: no hitter into the seventh inning, Like this does not happen.

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Speaker 2: I had a poster in my room growing up of

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Speaker 2: the the Yankees no hitter, just because it was so

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Speaker 2: rare that they you know that they had and I had.

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Speaker 2: I had a poster in my room for like ten

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Speaker 2: years of just the six pictures and how they got

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Speaker 2: all the outs in that. And then yeah, now twice

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Speaker 2: a year somebody just carries a no hitter into the

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Speaker 2: eighth inning. I mean that that happens across baseball too.

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Speaker 2: But yes, the Astros have been very very lucky with

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Speaker 2: with with no hitters lately.

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Speaker 1: Let's end on a let's on a fun note. I

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Speaker 1: endorse gambling in all its forms. We're not an actual

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Speaker 1: bet on this, but if I set the line at

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Speaker 1: one and a half Astros no hitters this season, are

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Speaker 1: you taking me over the under? And then give me

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Speaker 1: a pit give me the pitcher that will throw it.

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Speaker 2: I would take the under. That's a lot of no

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Speaker 2: hitters to have two in a year.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And then I would say Hunter Brown, I think Fromber

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Speaker 2: obviously can do it. We've seen it. I think obviously

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Speaker 2: he and Brown both just get so many ground balls

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Speaker 2: that if you just get in a rhythm, because that's

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Speaker 2: the only way you can do it. Now, You're you're

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Speaker 2: not going to strike out sixteen guys and a no

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Speaker 2: hitter anymore. You're just not gonna pitch long enough to

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Speaker 2: do that. But if you can have those innings that

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Speaker 2: are six or seven pitches and you get three groundouts,

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Speaker 2: that's that's your best way of doing it. And so yes,

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Speaker 2: I'll go Hunter Brown.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go the over. I'm gonna say that they

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Speaker 1: throw two no hitters this year. I think one is

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Speaker 1: a combined no hitter against like whatever dregs the Angels.

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Speaker 2: Run out there. We could do that, Yeah, sure whatever.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna combine no hit like the Angels

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Speaker 1: in September when Wash has just like given up.

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Speaker 2: Way to watch that.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be playing like a double a lineup every night.

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Speaker 1: And then I think Fromber throws one single. I think

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Speaker 1: he throws a solo no hitter this year. He was

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Speaker 1: so close in Texas last year before Corey Seger hit

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Speaker 1: that ball out, it would be a second no hitter

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Speaker 1: of his career. He would join some pretty elite company

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Speaker 1: and heading into free agency would probably increase his wallet

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Speaker 1: a little bit, not that he needed, but would certainly help.

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Speaker 1: If he does throw a no hitter, I will be

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Speaker 1: there to cover it in some capacity, and Tyler will

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Speaker 1: join me to talk about it after he throws it

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Speaker 1: on Crush City Territory, which will continue this week with

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Speaker 1: another episode, and then when the regular season starts. Guys

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