WEBVTT - I'm Trying To Make A Case For Public Hangings

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong

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<v Speaker 1>and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>The Los Angeles Police Department has launched an investigation after

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<v Speaker 2>an officer accidentally fired around from their personal rifle in

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<v Speaker 2>a parking garage. Well, that's one way to remember where

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<v Speaker 2>you parked. I thought it was G seven. No, it's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely the one with a bullet hole. How you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>So we just did a story on the news that

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you didn't hear, and Joe made a joke about.

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<v Speaker 3>We asked the question, would we be better off bringing back

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<v Speaker 3>public hangings or not?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>And we all had an enthusiastic yes, but we're just hangings.

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<v Speaker 3>Were being snarky, although was I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was I Pump pump pum. I think the cloaking the

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<v Speaker 1>hiding of executions is a bad idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so are you trying to make an argument against executions.

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<v Speaker 1>Or are you trying to make an argument in favor

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<v Speaker 1>of public hangings? Michael, At some point he is going

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<v Speaker 1>to understand that I am serious.

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<v Speaker 3>It could take a while, so at the very least,

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<v Speaker 3>though the reason I brought this back up. Is how

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<v Speaker 3>different and that there has to be a result from this.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't have a cultural shift this huge without it

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<v Speaker 3>resulting in something either good or bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't that long ago. I mean, we.

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<v Speaker 3>Broadcast from northern California and there's a town called Placerville

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<v Speaker 3>that it used to be called Hangtown. And they still

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<v Speaker 3>have a thing downtown where, whether that's kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>got a plaque on it or whatever, is a California

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<v Speaker 3>Historic something or other where they used to hang people.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've talked to my kids about it before when

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<v Speaker 1>we look out it. Yeah, they used to. They'd bring

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<v Speaker 1>criminals out who deserved the death penalty and they'd hang them.

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<v Speaker 1>They're never'd gather around and watch.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if you clapped or danced or

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<v Speaker 3>sang or cried or I don't know what people did dance.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather not dance under any circumstances, particularly get a

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<v Speaker 1>hanging put me in the news. I ain't dancing. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's a major cultural shift from you watch a man

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<v Speaker 1>being hung with your child two. We can't even imagine it,

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<v Speaker 1>And of course it's gonna have a result. And what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think the result has been well, the deterrent

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<v Speaker 1>effect of execution is lost when I was as that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I was driving toward. If it is so cloaked

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<v Speaker 1>in secrecy and quiet, and you just see if you

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<v Speaker 1>happen to be a Who's junkie a reference that the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who you know raped and murdered three women has

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<v Speaker 1>been executed thirty seven years after his crime. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that has zero to turn effect.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you were making the Paddi waste liberal argument

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<v Speaker 3>that if we saw executions then we would understand how

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<v Speaker 3>horrific they are and be against the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>Need I show you my panti free waste, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>This is our favorite sitcom from the seventies, hanging clip.

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<v Speaker 4>You see, in this country, we're very proud to have

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<v Speaker 4>a process known as the law, and under the law,

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<v Speaker 4>a man is presumed innocent until.

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<v Speaker 1>He's proven guilty. Sure, Dad, right, Dad?

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<v Speaker 4>In other words, we don't hang anybody without a fair trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knows that.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, but sometimes we tend to forget. Well, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 4>you understand. I'll see you kids later. I have to

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<v Speaker 4>go shopping with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, mom's a beard. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>shopping with your mother is a fate worse and hanging.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Brady knew that sometimes the hanging was justified. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's odd that that conversation in a sitcom was seemed

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<v Speaker 1>normal in the seventies and now strikes us as ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>than a sitcom. You'd have dad sit the kids down

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<v Speaker 1>and say, you know, we don't hang a man. And

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, sure, dad, right, Dad, I've got to go

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<v Speaker 1>shopping your mother after this quick hanging discussion, Right after

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<v Speaker 1>a quick reference to hanging a man by the neck

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<v Speaker 1>until death, my eight year old lad, Now you go

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<v Speaker 1>play in the backyard and I'm off to shop with

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<v Speaker 1>your mother in the town I live in, Most kids

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<v Speaker 1>that age would just sit there, wide eyed, crying, sobbing

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<v Speaker 1>themselves asleep. If you had that conversation, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>see you.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I see it as more of

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<v Speaker 3>the deterrent advantage as well. I guess it is ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>just a crime and punishment. Just like you do things,

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<v Speaker 3>bad things happened to you.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a result to live in a life of crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Here it is look at that guy dangling, still twitching. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of ambivalence about the death penalty. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I just there are certain you remember we used to

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<v Speaker 1>have the Armstrong and what gold mine? What he was

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<v Speaker 1>that you wouldn't you jumpers, claim jumpers, horse thieves and

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<v Speaker 1>claim jumpers. Hang them all right, maybe hang them outside

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<v Speaker 1>the claim jumper then we can all go in for

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<v Speaker 1>lunch reasonably priced and delicious. I have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>ambivalence about the death penalty in general, just the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of the government being able to take somebody's life. But

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<v Speaker 1>when you get oh that's right, I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>bring up the Armstrong and get a super guilty doctrine

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<v Speaker 1>where I mean, just somebody like the guy who set

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<v Speaker 1>fire to those people in Boulder. He's admitting it.

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<v Speaker 3>He would he would be screaming, I'd like to kill

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<v Speaker 3>more Jews as the noose tightened around his neck.

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<v Speaker 1>And his crimes were so completely horrific and the ear,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, irredeemable. He's suitable for a hand process. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I say. We saw it on television, we've all

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<v Speaker 1>seen it. Well, maybe we can come to a middle

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<v Speaker 1>ground on that one. But yeah, I just here, here's

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<v Speaker 1>here's a serious point, and I mean thish straight from

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<v Speaker 1>a taker. The post w W two era of peace

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<v Speaker 1>and prosperity. Some of the Cold War stuff, notwithstanding, uh

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<v Speaker 1>lulled us into becoming a very gentle, very soft, tolerant

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<v Speaker 1>to the point of foolishness society. I mean tolerant to

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<v Speaker 1>the point of we didn't lock our doors and we

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<v Speaker 1>live in the most dangerous neighborhood in the city. Millions

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<v Speaker 1>of people flooding across the borders, you know, criminal gangs,

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<v Speaker 1>crime rampant progressives who hold bizarre Marxist beliefs. Well, some

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<v Speaker 1>some understand what they're doing, but some have. The argument

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<v Speaker 1>from the marx is that we ought to turn all

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<v Speaker 1>the criminals loose because it's not their fault the criminals. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that reminds me. I've got a really interesting study of

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<v Speaker 1>criminality coming up. Anyway, the era of that softness is ending,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to be ending in ways that are

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<v Speaker 1>a little tough to take, whether it is the growing

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<v Speaker 1>threat of homegrown or import Islamists who are willing to

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<v Speaker 1>murder Jews or anybody who sympathizes with them, Chinese agents, saboteurs,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the threat from China our whole No, these

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<v Speaker 1>they're just Chinese students and researchers. There are hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of them, and anybody who has any suspicion of

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<v Speaker 1>them is a racist. As we wake up to those realities,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's just two of them, it's it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be unpleasant coming out, coming out of our softness. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But like so I was just thinking about this.

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<v Speaker 3>So people used to go, and it wasn't that long ago,

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<v Speaker 3>you go watch somebody be executed. I've told this story

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<v Speaker 3>many times. I was in a relationship with a woman

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<v Speaker 3>who for their grade school field trip in a little

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<v Speaker 3>town in Nebraska, they walked down to the butcher shop.

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<v Speaker 3>The guy walked a steer in, shot it in front

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<v Speaker 3>of the kids with a rifle, then cut it up

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<v Speaker 3>to show them about like where meat comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. That happens a million times after the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>just unleashed that screen ninety seconds ago. I'm saying, holy crap.

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<v Speaker 1>So my thought was the people that went that was

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<v Speaker 1>not nineteen thirty two, No, that would have been I'm

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<v Speaker 1>guessing roughly late seventies. Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking the people that in grade school saw a

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<v Speaker 3>steer shot in front of them or hanging damn whooping golf?

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<v Speaker 3>How many of those kids were suffering from anxiety or

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<v Speaker 3>we're having panic attacks or you know, couldn't couldn't go

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<v Speaker 3>outside today because just people were too scary.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not thinking very many. Yeah, so it didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>we feel like we're shielding ourselves from these troubling things

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<v Speaker 1>that would cause you nightmares, but we're getting the reverse

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<v Speaker 1>result people. I don't care that anxious correlation or causation honestly.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I'm going to figure it out today. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go down to the grade school and I go shoot a

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<v Speaker 3>number of animals right in front of the children.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start. Yeah, now that might be microplastics, that's calls

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<v Speaker 1>on all this. I don't know. I suspect it's environmental,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're talking. I'm sorry, like psychology. No, well you could,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you could be right, But it's not a stretch

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<v Speaker 1>to think that everybody that is everybody being shielded from

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<v Speaker 1>all the difficulties of life or the reality of life

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<v Speaker 1>and death are all kinds of different. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't play in the no monkey bars so you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get scared. You don't no hangs, shooting steers, none of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but everything in between vastly reduced employment among teenagers, so

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<v Speaker 1>of course, with that crowd, just like everyday life, is

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<v Speaker 1>horrifyingly scary. One of the smartest things I've ever heard

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<v Speaker 1>on this topic is you can't possibly become a confident

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<v Speaker 1>adult unless you've been lost and found your way back twice.

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't let our kids do that anymore. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>shot a steer in front of grade schoolers, son of

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<v Speaker 1>a Where do you think meat comes from? You?

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<v Speaker 3>Panty waste? What does panty waste mean? Means you you're

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<v Speaker 3>wearing panties. You're there for a girl. Therefore your week

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<v Speaker 3>not a very good term.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's fine? Uh, could we like work up to

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<v Speaker 1>the whole, you know, popping a cap and the steers dome?

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<v Speaker 1>Could we just maybe watch a butcher cut aside of

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<v Speaker 1>beef out already dead right exactly, and the kids who

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<v Speaker 1>have in particular interest in animal husbandry could perhaps go

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<v Speaker 1>to the advanced class. Yes, Michael, that reminds me of

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<v Speaker 1>the Napoleon Dynamite.

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<v Speaker 5>I say no, exactly exactly. The bus comes to stop,

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<v Speaker 5>that god old farmer shoots the cow. The kids in

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<v Speaker 5>the bus exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what were we talking about? This one got into

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<v Speaker 1>the onion patch.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't get to my topic about men and friends

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<v Speaker 3>and a bunch of other stuff, so stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 6>The FDA recalling potentially deadly tomatoes sold in three states.

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<v Speaker 6>The tomatoes possibly contaminated with salmonella sold in Georgia, North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 6>and South Carolina. The FDA says the tomatoes were packaged

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<v Speaker 6>under the name H and C Farms label.

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<v Speaker 1>No deaths or illnesses have been reported.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw on the label or on the news that

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<v Speaker 3>it was a level one concern, So oh.

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<v Speaker 1>No or oh right? Exactly what's the concern scale? Does

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<v Speaker 1>anybody know it? Oh? Speaking of which, we mentioned it

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<v Speaker 1>earlier today. But it seems infinitely clear now that University

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<v Speaker 1>of Michigan researcher, Chinese national and his wife smuggled in

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<v Speaker 1>deadly well not well deadly. I was incredibly injurious pathological

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<v Speaker 1>funguses into the US that appeared to be a known

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<v Speaker 1>agro terrorism agent that could decimate billions and billions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars worth of crops.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a known Communist Party member as a researcher here

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<v Speaker 3>in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's her boyfriend. I'm sorry, who was the researcher? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but he brought it in and was working with her.

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<v Speaker 1>He lied about bringing it in. They figured out he

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<v Speaker 1>was lying, She claimed she didn't know anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they came up with emails and texts showing that

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<v Speaker 1>they'd been discussing it. So yeah, in speaking of threats

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<v Speaker 1>to the homeland, it is now undeniable. And everybody's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how the Ukrainian breakthrough attack on Russia with all

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<v Speaker 1>the drones and the trucks and the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Although it was not quite as devastating as Ukraine was

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<v Speaker 1>originally claiming, it was still quite quite notable, and everybody agrees.

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<v Speaker 1>As the editorial board at the Wall Street Journal says,

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine's drone strike is a warning for the US. The

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<v Speaker 1>American homeland is also vulnerable to drone and missile attacks,

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<v Speaker 1>as is everywhere on Earth. Another headline I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>at least worth touching on or referring to the incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>just dis shockingly hypocritical Democrats who are celebrating the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Elon Musk is criticizing the Big Beautiful Bill. He

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<v Speaker 1>called it a slight misstep, Jack was that the phraser

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<v Speaker 1>What if he called it an incorrigible abomination? Disgusting abomination. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he called the big beautiful bill of discussing abomination. Speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wall Street Journal editorial board, they make a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good point. Who's pork do you mean? Elon? Elon,

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<v Speaker 1>in criticizing the bill, says, quote, this massive, outrageous, pork

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<v Speaker 1>filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. He's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Shame on those of you who voted for it. You

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<v Speaker 1>know you did wrong. You know it pork filled spending bill?

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<v Speaker 1>Asks the Journal, what else is new when they go

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<v Speaker 1>into you know the fact that it always is, there's

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<v Speaker 1>some good stuff. There could be some better stuff. They're

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<v Speaker 1>working on the bill, And yes it does overspend, but

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<v Speaker 1>it also ends most of the inflation reduction acts, green

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<v Speaker 1>energy subsidies. Ah, but mister Musk doesn't want to eliminate

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<v Speaker 1>that pork quote. There's no change to tax incentives for

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<v Speaker 1>oil and gas. Just ev andslar, he said on x

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<v Speaker 1>dot com last week, retweeting another user post that said

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<v Speaker 1>slashing solar energy credits is unjust. But what's more unjust

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<v Speaker 1>is the damage that has done to people's lives during

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<v Speaker 1>storms and blackouts, because ultimately, you can't replace a human life. Well, that.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is what's always so crazy about the Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk thing, and then people's views of him. He is

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<v Speaker 1>a big climate change is an existential threat guy, always

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<v Speaker 1>has been. That's why he started an electric car company.

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<v Speaker 1>And then lefties turns against him because he likes Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and right wingers embraced him. He's still climate change is

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest threat. Wants electric cars guy. I mean, just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pick the things you believe in, but you

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<v Speaker 1>just can't keep switching around. You love him, you hate him,

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<v Speaker 1>you love him, you hate him, even though he still

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<v Speaker 1>agrees with you. A final note on this, mister Musk

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<v Speaker 1>is parroting the climate lobby's specious claim the tax breaks

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<v Speaker 1>like depreciation that are available to all manufacturers are really

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<v Speaker 1>a special benefit for the oil and gas industry. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's rich that he is denouncing the House bill for

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<v Speaker 1>not cutting spending enough. Well, he is also fuming that

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<v Speaker 1>it kills green energy tax credits. Is if they are

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of life and death for well, he believes

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<v Speaker 1>it's a matter of life and death for human beings.

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<v Speaker 1>Though that's why he started the company in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, he's must to blast us to Mars

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<v Speaker 1>for when the planet melts. Yeah, exactly. He's an idea

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<v Speaker 1>log on climate change which everybody on the right conveniently

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<v Speaker 1>forgot or the left when they decided to. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I got flipped off again yesterday in my cyber truck.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost daily do I get either flipped off, thumbs down,

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<v Speaker 1>or booed in my cyber truck. It's hilarious. I'm sure. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it might happen anywhere. I was gonna say it might

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<v Speaker 1>be because of where I live.

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<v Speaker 3>But if I lived in the Midwest, it'd just be

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<v Speaker 3>because it's an electric car.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to have a line to yell at them

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<v Speaker 1>or say to them, roll down your window and say,

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk has done more for the environment than anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else in America with his electric car company. See what

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<v Speaker 1>they say, which is pretty accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>Arguably, Yeah, he's done more for electric cars than anybody

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<v Speaker 3>in the world probably.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when they say, you know, you make an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting point first, right, Oh, that is illegal, folks, You

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<v Speaker 1>can't do that. Don't do that. That was merely a

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<v Speaker 1>joke from old uncle Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't tease the same story for the fiftieth time,

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<v Speaker 3>can I.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll finally get to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a crisis with friendship and males in this country?

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got this new talkback feature that we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>try and we're we're we're in the we're in the

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<v Speaker 3>the what do they call it, the beta phase of

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<v Speaker 3>figuring out how we're gonna utilize this on the show

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. And I threw out the first question to

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<v Speaker 3>try this out to somebody. This is somebody called in

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<v Speaker 3>and then we record them or whatever, because we stopped

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<v Speaker 3>taking calls years ago for a variety of reasons that

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<v Speaker 3>listeners would know. Uh, So I threw out the question

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<v Speaker 3>of what do you like about the Armstrong and Getty show.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, you could be the first call it, Hitler, Muslim extreamist.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good stuff. So hey, you can be the first

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<v Speaker 1>so solid.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we don't need to hear twice. So so we're

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<v Speaker 3>off to a good start. And I again, do we

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<v Speaker 3>need to reiterate why we stopped taking calls? But apparently

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<v Speaker 3>this is some more on the question of what do

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<v Speaker 3>you like about the Armstrong and Giddy show.

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<v Speaker 1>You are my favorite people. You make me laugh in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning when I'm taking the train to work.

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<v Speaker 7>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being you. I do have to agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's looks are rough, but then again, he has beautiful hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you lie? Is it your greed? The best

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<v Speaker 1>part of Armstrong and Giddy is Katie, And when she

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<v Speaker 1>was gone for a week, that was like a void.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe.

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<v Speaker 7>You make me laugh, you make me cry, you make

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<v Speaker 7>me bad, But in the end you make the first

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<v Speaker 7>three or four hours of my day at least a

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<v Speaker 7>good informative.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys have a good one. What do I like

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<v Speaker 1>about the Armstrong and Gutty show. I like the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't take calls. We'll see how this little

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<v Speaker 1>experiment goes. But I'm not optimistic, neither of I. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>don't let your meat loaf, don't let your hot dogs stand,

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<v Speaker 1>don't let your wristwatch. Okay, that made me incredibly uncomfortable?

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<v Speaker 1>Me too? Why Why did that make me so? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you asked that question? All right, we have tomorrow you

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<v Speaker 1>come up with the question. We'll try it again. Better

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<v Speaker 1>than not.

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<v Speaker 3>So, I just wanted something I knew people to respond to,

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<v Speaker 3>to get the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was in the New York Times the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>It was an opinion piece, but a lot of fact

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<v Speaker 3>built into it. The question was American men are getting

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<v Speaker 3>worse at maintaining friendships. I think, have I actually heard

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<v Speaker 3>this before? Have I heard just heard people in real

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<v Speaker 3>life mention it to me? Anyway, American men are geting

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<v Speaker 3>worse at maintaining friendships. Is it a lack of time

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<v Speaker 3>or energy? Or is it something else? And then getting

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<v Speaker 3>into some of the details that this person writes, what

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know is that American men are getting significantly

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<v Speaker 3>worse at friendship. A study in twenty twenty four by

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<v Speaker 3>the Survey Center on American Life found that only a

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<v Speaker 3>quarter of men reported having six or more close friends.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems like a lot to me. Pulling a similar

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<v Speaker 1>question in nineteen ninety, Gallup had put this figure at

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<v Speaker 1>over half of men had six or more close friends.

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<v Speaker 1>The same Survey Center found that seventeen percent of men

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<v Speaker 1>had zero close friends. That was a fivefold increase from

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety. The zero crowd went from well, it increased

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<v Speaker 1>five times. Yeah, probably roughly three to seventeen. It's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, six seems like a lot, but yeah, zero

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<v Speaker 1>is too few.

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<v Speaker 3>The lack of intimacy among male friends may seem normal

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<v Speaker 3>because it's what we're accustomed to, but it isn't. Until

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<v Speaker 3>the twentieth century, it was not uncommon for men in

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<v Speaker 3>this country to openly hold hands, sit on each other's

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<v Speaker 3>laps in public party anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa, whoa, Wait a minute, Yeah, that happened all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a minute. I don't know if I believe this.

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<v Speaker 3>Until the twentieth century, it was not uncommon for men

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<v Speaker 3>in this country to openly hold hands, sit on each

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<v Speaker 3>other laps in public parts, and write each other passionate

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<v Speaker 3>platonic love letters. You know, my desire to befriend you

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<v Speaker 3>is everlasting. Abraham Lincoln, I have wrote to his friend

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<v Speaker 3>Joshua Speed. Yeah, blah blah blah. Herman Melville, who wrote

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<v Speaker 3>Moby Dick, once wrote to yes, Katie, you already have

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<v Speaker 3>a comment.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm just gonna say, if this is true, you guys

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<v Speaker 8>should bring that.

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<v Speaker 1>Back each other's thing I've ever heard in my life

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<v Speaker 1>kill me? Oh my god, so is it.

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<v Speaker 3>Herman Melville once wrote Toathaniel Hawthorne, what's he famous for?

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<v Speaker 1>Red Badge of Courage? Not Stephen Crane? What Hawthorne? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>The Scarlet Letter might be crane.

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<v Speaker 3>Two famous authors from the eighteen hundreds. Melville wrote to

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<v Speaker 3>Hawthorn that Hawthorne's heart beat in my ribs and mine

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<v Speaker 3>and yours, and describe their friendship as an friendship as

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<v Speaker 3>an infinite fraternity of feeling. That is not the sort

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<v Speaker 3>of thing I would write to a friend of the

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<v Speaker 3>yo you see? That game last night would be closer

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<v Speaker 3>to it. Can I sit on your lap in the park?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, when we played golf, that was an infinite what

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<v Speaker 1>did you say? Fraternity of feeling? Yeah? Today, dude, it

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<v Speaker 1>was fun. Thanks for writing. I gotta know this, Katie.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's Nathaniel Hawthorne? What did he write? Scarlet letter? Scarlet letter?

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's right congratulates got it? Yes, today we may see

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<v Speaker 1>these gestures as homo erotic, but men at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gay and straight talk to one another in this way.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that we have to go back to

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<v Speaker 1>holding hands as we walk down the street or sitting

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<v Speaker 1>on each other's laps. But I don't, I don't, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't even see grown women sitting on each other's laps,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not a male thing.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell is that is there? A lack of

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<v Speaker 1>seating back in the day. Was that what was going on?

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<v Speaker 8>You absolutely do see women sitting on each other's laps,

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<v Speaker 8>you do, yeah, oh yeah all the time? Not bars, concerts, Okay, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 8>if there's only one chair.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they ever accidentally kiss? Yes, all the time. It

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<v Speaker 1>is crazy how it happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Okay, Well say, I guess I'm wrong about that,

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<v Speaker 3>all right. I kill don't know if that's got much

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<v Speaker 3>to do with the friendship thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Something tells me there's a greater point here beyond the

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<v Speaker 1>lap sitting and handholding though, right, well so so for

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<v Speaker 1>the I have a bunch of questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Define good friend, close friend? I feel like I need

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<v Speaker 3>a definition on that. Oh, I think we all have

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<v Speaker 3>one in our heads, don't we. Beyond a companion, you

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<v Speaker 3>do stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>With, you talk about your lives and ups and downs

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<v Speaker 1>in a sincere way. If you have to call on

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<v Speaker 1>them to help you, even if it is inconvenient, expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>or difficult, they'll come through for you. You know, how

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<v Speaker 1>often you need to talk to them to qualify depends.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose you know it's funny this should come up.

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<v Speaker 1>I missed the last hour of the show yesterday, an

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<v Speaker 1>unexcused absence, which will go on my permanent record. But

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<v Speaker 1>I had the opportunity to reconnect with a friend who

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<v Speaker 1>I had not seen in far too long, and because

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<v Speaker 1>of his travel schedule and all, and I had to

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<v Speaker 1>like go where he was. That something had to give,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I miss an hour of the show, which

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<v Speaker 1>I never would have done for years and years and years.

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<v Speaker 1>But I because, partly because I'm a little obsessive about

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<v Speaker 1>this job, I have not prioritized friendships and it has

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<v Speaker 1>left me a less happy person. So it's funny that

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<v Speaker 1>this should come up today. Hmm. Do you think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what people are doing? Men are doing They're working too much,

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<v Speaker 1>have friends or other entertainment is always there. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing that keeps guys from going out and finding

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<v Speaker 1>a girlfriend and you know, actually having delightful physical relations.

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<v Speaker 1>They're so entertained they're on their couch, they don't bother.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so that's that's kind of where I was going,

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<v Speaker 3>is just thinking. It's probably the same phenomenon of not

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<v Speaker 3>needing to date or have sex. I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 3>can overcome the strongest desire that all beasts have to

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<v Speaker 3>have sex, then you can certainly give up, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>hanging out with another dude now and then and talking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, for.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever it is that you're doing instead, which I assume

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<v Speaker 3>is I don't know, video games, porn, hanging out.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it is, but yeah, porn, video games.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it all is under the awful, evil umbrella

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<v Speaker 1>of disconnectedness. I've got another big fat article that I've

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<v Speaker 1>got in my queue to read about. You know that

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<v Speaker 1>topic again. I mean, it's just undeniably at the root

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<v Speaker 1>of so much that's going on right now in human society,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the Western world. Again, and we made this point

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<v Speaker 1>many times. Forgive us if you've heard it before, but

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that catastrophic plunges in the birth rate are

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<v Speaker 1>merely interesting is that would not apply if there were

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<v Speaker 1>any beast on Earth that had a catastrophic drop in

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.719
<v Speaker 1>its birthlf. Remember when scientists would be obsessed with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember we were getting so many news stories about bees

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<v Speaker 1>because bees might go away? How about human beings going away?

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<v Speaker 1>That seems like they these jack Ooh yeah, so I stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ashamed of that.

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<v Speaker 6>I had.

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<v Speaker 3>I had my guard up a little bit and still

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<v Speaker 3>do for it. Just being a there's something wrong with

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<v Speaker 3>men story When it's Homo sapiens, Clearly there's something wrong

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 3>with human beings. We're not getting together at all. So

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<v Speaker 3>turning to turn it into a why why are men

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<v Speaker 3>so worried about sitting, you know, being seen holding hands

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<v Speaker 3>that they don't have friends anymore? Just I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>they're going for an angle there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a particularly New York Times Ish guys

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<v Speaker 1>really ought to be able to hold hands and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>kiss and stuff like that, because you know, traditional masculinity

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<v Speaker 1>is stupid. It had a bit of a feel right field,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why you don't have friends anymore because you're

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<v Speaker 1>too homophobic. Yeah, right, somehow that isn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I noticed that. It's different than

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<v Speaker 3>it was decades ago, like nineteen ninety. I was a

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five year old in nineteen ninety, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's either a crisis or it's not well. But again,

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<v Speaker 3>there is a crisis that people. People in general don't

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<v Speaker 3>hang out with other people period. So don't try to

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<v Speaker 3>make it a there's something wrong with men's story.

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<v Speaker 1>No, in my mind, no, no, I think it's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the Canary and the coal Mine or the the owl

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<v Speaker 1>or something. I don't know, but because women have so

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<v Speaker 1>much stronger generally speaking, so much stronger in urge to

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<v Speaker 1>build coalitions and social groups than men do. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's different. I think you're seeing it first among men,

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<v Speaker 1>especially because and it's funny we're talking about this in

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<v Speaker 1>the context of the Democratic Party trying to understand why

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 1>they've lost young men and how masculinity and traditional roles

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<v Speaker 1>have been demonized, especially on the progressive left. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>things that brought men together traditionally for years and years.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny the New York Times should suddenly be

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<v Speaker 1>enamored with traditional male roles and the way males acted.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of that's gone. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>One note before we take a break is just I

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<v Speaker 3>was thinking at the gym, because everybody where is this.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure this is true for you, Katie, the gym

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:21.239
<v Speaker 3>you go to, but everybody wears earbuds, so everybody's got

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<v Speaker 3>earbuds in. And I go to the gym every single day,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was just sitting there with my earbuds listening

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<v Speaker 3>to a podcast, sitting there in between sets the other

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:33.600
<v Speaker 3>day thinking I have been going to the same gym

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<v Speaker 3>with the same people oftentimes for what nine months now,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know anybody's name. I've never spoken a word

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<v Speaker 3>to any of these people. You go back pre wearing earpieces.

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.880
<v Speaker 3>I think I would know everybody in here, just because

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 3>you couldn't help it. I mean, you couldn't help being

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 3>in the same room with all those people in silence,

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 3>or maybe with a jam box playing in the corner,

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 3>that you wouldn't have started hot to day. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I was supposed to go golfing with some friends,

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:04.960
<v Speaker 3>but I got and they've got conversation starts and now you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, we play, Yeah, and then something happens. Yeah, and

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you get to know her and everybody know, but now nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>I have never said a word to a single person

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 1>at my gym. Maybe are you dog? The other day

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and our neighbor came out with her dog and I

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 1>shouted a happy greeting, intending to converse that she had

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the earbuds going, and yeah, yeah, yeah, which I do

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. I'm not faulting her.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, yeah, it works both ways. But anytime

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<v Speaker 3>I tried to say something like are you done here

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, it's they always gotta pause their device. And

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<v Speaker 3>what was that, so, yeah, that might have something to

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 3>do with it. We will finish strong next talking about

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 3>friendship and whether there's a crisis in man among friendship

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 3>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>If you didn't hear it, get the podcast.

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 3>But Jack and Joe, Katie is right. Girls will absolutely

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 3>sit on each other's laps. We will also sleep in

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 3>the same bed for girls trips. According to my husband,

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 3>he would never would men share a bed ever, which

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 3>I really do understand. This may be part of why

0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 3>guys are losing good friendships because we won't sleep in

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 3>the same bed. Can we get Why would we get

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 3>one king when we can get two queen's in a

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 3>hotel room.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, unless you're bike curious, that's just it non starter.

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking to my wife about this because she

0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 1>will do you know, girls' trips, quilting retreats, whatever, and they'll,

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, if necessary for a limited you know whatever,

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>it's a share a bed. And I'm like, no, no,

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm sleeping on the floor. And Judy's like, come on,

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like no, seriously, Yeah, throw me a pillow. I'm

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.600
<v Speaker 1>on the floor. Oh yeah, absolutely, I'd sleep on the floor. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>See the sharing a bed thing I did maybe in

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<v Speaker 8>my twenties, but now I'm on.

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<v Speaker 1>The floor as a grown woman. Yeah, because on the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>or did I share a bed with my friend? Why

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:54.719
<v Speaker 1>won't you anymore? I just in my personal space. I

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>value it too much. I don't know. It's weird, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>is it homophobia to not want to be in the

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<v Speaker 1>same because you know, if it's a big bed, we're

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 1>not going to touch each other. And I well, I

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<v Speaker 1>questioned the term homophobia, but I see what you're driving at.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what does make a man uncomfortable about that?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing it, But I mean because back in

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the day, you know, they were talking about men sitting

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<v Speaker 1>at each other's laughs and holding hands and the rest

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>of it. But unquestionably you would share a bed, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in a hotel, you know. On the legal circuit, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are various gay activists who were trying to pitch

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the idea that Lincoln was gay because he shared a

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 1>bed with other lawyers on the circle. But no, that

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>was just what dom did. Yeah. Well, my dad grew

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 1>up seven kids, and all the boys would sleep in

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>one bed and all the girls would sleep in another bed.

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>It was just the way you had to do things. Yeah, Yeah, anyway,

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that is interesting though, I don't even know myself why

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do that. It's not like I'm

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 1>afraid I'm gonna all of a sudden turn gay or

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 1>they're going to turn gay or anything. You know. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>so what is that I don't wanna That's why dud

0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 1>don't cyclelo psycho analyze me. I just don't want to.

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<v Speaker 6>And now final faults with Armstrong and getting engage.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's I got a good story about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll save for the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh point, the one time I did share a bed

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<v Speaker 3>because it was freezing and what happened. That'll be the

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<v Speaker 3>one More Thing podcast. Here's your host for final.

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<v Speaker 1>Thoughts, Joe get I'm busy that day. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get a final thought from everybody on the show to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap things up for the day. There he is Michaelangelo

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>or technical director Michael lead us Off. If you got

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>you gotta watch the movie Planes, Trains and Automobile. Steve

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Martin and John Candy share a bed in that movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's quite funny. It is funny. Those aren't pillows

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<v Speaker 1>famous punchline, right, those aren't pillows? Yes, Katie Green are

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<v Speaker 1>esteemed Newswoman. As a final thought, Katie, what's your final thought?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, today is my wonderful husband's birthday. Happy birthday, Drew.

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<v Speaker 1>Father's Jackie final thought for us, Yes, my son passed

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<v Speaker 1>his swimming test in boy Scouts last night, so at

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>the camps he gets to participate in all the swimming stuff.

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 1>If you don't pass your swimming test, you go to

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the camps and you stand and watch people do the

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:17.240
<v Speaker 1>swimming stuff, which will have sucked hard. So glad that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So final thought is to anybody else who's done a

0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 1>major house remodel in the last several years. It started

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 1>with them. There seems to be a lot of water

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>penetration here. Who there's rot. Wait a minute, there's signs

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 1>of termites. Blah blah blah. I think I'm going to

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>be living in a hole in the ground by the

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.959
<v Speaker 1>time we're done with this. It looks like somebody around

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>me here. At one point, Armstrong and Getty wraping up

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 1>another grueling four hour workday, and rats, so many rats,

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 1>so many people who thanks a little time a good

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong you, Getty dot com. Any pleasures await you there, friends,

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<v Speaker 1>We will see tomorrow. God bless America. I'm strong and Ghetty.

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I will not sugarcoat this. This is disappointing day for us.

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>I expected more the ketchup of journalism with the mustard

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>of undercover work, but there's no freaking burger. This is insane.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to get some cheeks after disciss. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have to pay attention to the cries that

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 1>people have. It's true. What now, I haven't said a word,

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>so stop yelling at me. Okay, thank you all very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty