Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong
Speaker 1: and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 2: The Los Angeles Police Department has launched an investigation after
Speaker 2: an officer accidentally fired around from their personal rifle in
Speaker 2: a parking garage. Well, that's one way to remember where
Speaker 2: you parked. I thought it was G seven. No, it's
Speaker 2: definitely the one with a bullet hole. How you doing?
Speaker 3: So we just did a story on the news that
Speaker 3: maybe you didn't hear, and Joe made a joke about.
Speaker 3: We asked the question, would we be better off bringing back
Speaker 3: public hangings or not?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: And we all had an enthusiastic yes, but we're just hangings.
Speaker 3: Were being snarky, although was I.
Speaker 1: Was I Pump pump pum. I think the cloaking the
Speaker 1: hiding of executions is a bad idea.
Speaker 3: Well, so are you trying to make an argument against executions.
Speaker 1: Or are you trying to make an argument in favor
Speaker 1: of public hangings? Michael, At some point he is going
Speaker 1: to understand that I am serious.
Speaker 3: It could take a while, so at the very least,
Speaker 3: though the reason I brought this back up. Is how
Speaker 3: different and that there has to be a result from this.
Speaker 3: You can't have a cultural shift this huge without it
Speaker 3: resulting in something either good or bad.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't that long ago. I mean, we.
Speaker 3: Broadcast from northern California and there's a town called Placerville
Speaker 3: that it used to be called Hangtown. And they still
Speaker 3: have a thing downtown where, whether that's kind of like
Speaker 3: got a plaque on it or whatever, is a California
Speaker 3: Historic something or other where they used to hang people.
Speaker 1: And I've talked to my kids about it before when
Speaker 1: we look out it. Yeah, they used to. They'd bring
Speaker 1: criminals out who deserved the death penalty and they'd hang them.
Speaker 1: They're never'd gather around and watch.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you clapped or danced or
Speaker 3: sang or cried or I don't know what people did dance.
Speaker 1: I'd rather not dance under any circumstances, particularly get a
Speaker 1: hanging put me in the news. I ain't dancing. But
Speaker 1: that's a major cultural shift from you watch a man
Speaker 1: being hung with your child two. We can't even imagine it,
Speaker 1: And of course it's gonna have a result. And what
Speaker 1: do you think the result has been well, the deterrent
Speaker 1: effect of execution is lost when I was as that's
Speaker 1: what I was driving toward. If it is so cloaked
Speaker 1: in secrecy and quiet, and you just see if you
Speaker 1: happen to be a Who's junkie a reference that the
Speaker 1: guy who you know raped and murdered three women has
Speaker 1: been executed thirty seven years after his crime. I mean
Speaker 1: that has zero to turn effect.
Speaker 3: I thought you were making the Paddi waste liberal argument
Speaker 3: that if we saw executions then we would understand how
Speaker 3: horrific they are and be against the death penalty.
Speaker 1: Need I show you my panti free waste, sir.
Speaker 3: This is our favorite sitcom from the seventies, hanging clip.
Speaker 4: You see, in this country, we're very proud to have
Speaker 4: a process known as the law, and under the law,
Speaker 4: a man is presumed innocent until.
Speaker 1: He's proven guilty. Sure, Dad, right, Dad?
Speaker 4: In other words, we don't hang anybody without a fair trial.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that.
Speaker 4: Sure, but sometimes we tend to forget. Well, I'm glad
Speaker 4: you understand. I'll see you kids later. I have to
Speaker 4: go shopping with you.
Speaker 1: And by the way, mom's a beard. And by the way,
Speaker 1: shopping with your mother is a fate worse and hanging.
Speaker 1: Mike Brady knew that sometimes the hanging was justified. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's odd that that conversation in a sitcom was seemed
Speaker 1: normal in the seventies and now strikes us as ridiculous
Speaker 1: than a sitcom. You'd have dad sit the kids down
Speaker 1: and say, you know, we don't hang a man. And
Speaker 1: let's say, sure, dad, right, Dad, I've got to go
Speaker 1: shopping your mother after this quick hanging discussion, Right after
Speaker 1: a quick reference to hanging a man by the neck
Speaker 1: until death, my eight year old lad, Now you go
Speaker 1: play in the backyard and I'm off to shop with
Speaker 1: your mother in the town I live in, Most kids
Speaker 1: that age would just sit there, wide eyed, crying, sobbing
Speaker 1: themselves asleep. If you had that conversation, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: see you.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I see it as more of
Speaker 3: the deterrent advantage as well. I guess it is ultimately
Speaker 3: just a crime and punishment. Just like you do things,
Speaker 3: bad things happened to you.
Speaker 1: There's a result to live in a life of crime.
Speaker 1: Here it is look at that guy dangling, still twitching. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of ambivalence about the death penalty. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I just there are certain you remember we used to
Speaker 1: have the Armstrong and what gold mine? What he was
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't you jumpers, claim jumpers, horse thieves and
Speaker 1: claim jumpers. Hang them all right, maybe hang them outside
Speaker 1: the claim jumper then we can all go in for
Speaker 1: lunch reasonably priced and delicious. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: ambivalence about the death penalty in general, just the idea
Speaker 1: of the government being able to take somebody's life. But
Speaker 1: when you get oh that's right, I was going to
Speaker 1: bring up the Armstrong and get a super guilty doctrine
Speaker 1: where I mean, just somebody like the guy who set
Speaker 1: fire to those people in Boulder. He's admitting it.
Speaker 3: He would he would be screaming, I'd like to kill
Speaker 3: more Jews as the noose tightened around his neck.
Speaker 1: And his crimes were so completely horrific and the ear,
Speaker 1: you know, irredeemable. He's suitable for a hand process. That's
Speaker 1: what I say. We saw it on television, we've all
Speaker 1: seen it. Well, maybe we can come to a middle
Speaker 1: ground on that one. But yeah, I just here, here's
Speaker 1: here's a serious point, and I mean thish straight from
Speaker 1: a taker. The post w W two era of peace
Speaker 1: and prosperity. Some of the Cold War stuff, notwithstanding, uh
Speaker 1: lulled us into becoming a very gentle, very soft, tolerant
Speaker 1: to the point of foolishness society. I mean tolerant to
Speaker 1: the point of we didn't lock our doors and we
Speaker 1: live in the most dangerous neighborhood in the city. Millions
Speaker 1: of people flooding across the borders, you know, criminal gangs,
Speaker 1: crime rampant progressives who hold bizarre Marxist beliefs. Well, some
Speaker 1: some understand what they're doing, but some have. The argument
Speaker 1: from the marx is that we ought to turn all
Speaker 1: the criminals loose because it's not their fault the criminals. Oh,
Speaker 1: that reminds me. I've got a really interesting study of
Speaker 1: criminality coming up. Anyway, the era of that softness is ending,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be ending in ways that are
Speaker 1: a little tough to take, whether it is the growing
Speaker 1: threat of homegrown or import Islamists who are willing to
Speaker 1: murder Jews or anybody who sympathizes with them, Chinese agents, saboteurs,
Speaker 1: you know, the threat from China our whole No, these
Speaker 1: they're just Chinese students and researchers. There are hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of them, and anybody who has any suspicion of
Speaker 1: them is a racist. As we wake up to those realities,
Speaker 1: and that's just two of them, it's it's going to
Speaker 1: be unpleasant coming out, coming out of our softness. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like so I was just thinking about this.
Speaker 3: So people used to go, and it wasn't that long ago,
Speaker 3: you go watch somebody be executed. I've told this story
Speaker 3: many times. I was in a relationship with a woman
Speaker 3: who for their grade school field trip in a little
Speaker 3: town in Nebraska, they walked down to the butcher shop.
Speaker 3: The guy walked a steer in, shot it in front
Speaker 3: of the kids with a rifle, then cut it up
Speaker 3: to show them about like where meat comes from.
Speaker 1: Right. That happens a million times after the guy who
Speaker 1: just unleashed that screen ninety seconds ago. I'm saying, holy crap.
Speaker 1: So my thought was the people that went that was
Speaker 1: not nineteen thirty two, No, that would have been I'm
Speaker 1: guessing roughly late seventies. Okay, So.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking the people that in grade school saw a
Speaker 3: steer shot in front of them or hanging damn whooping golf?
Speaker 3: How many of those kids were suffering from anxiety or
Speaker 3: we're having panic attacks or you know, couldn't couldn't go
Speaker 3: outside today because just people were too scary.
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking very many. Yeah, so it didn't like
Speaker 1: we feel like we're shielding ourselves from these troubling things
Speaker 1: that would cause you nightmares, but we're getting the reverse
Speaker 1: result people. I don't care that anxious correlation or causation honestly.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to figure it out today. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go down to the grade school and I go shoot a
Speaker 3: number of animals right in front of the children.
Speaker 1: Let's start. Yeah, now that might be microplastics, that's calls
Speaker 1: on all this. I don't know. I suspect it's environmental,
Speaker 1: like you're talking. I'm sorry, like psychology. No, well you could,
Speaker 1: obviously you could be right, But it's not a stretch
Speaker 1: to think that everybody that is everybody being shielded from
Speaker 1: all the difficulties of life or the reality of life
Speaker 1: and death are all kinds of different. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't play in the no monkey bars so you don't
Speaker 1: get scared. You don't no hangs, shooting steers, none of them,
Speaker 1: but everything in between vastly reduced employment among teenagers, so
Speaker 1: of course, with that crowd, just like everyday life, is
Speaker 1: horrifyingly scary. One of the smartest things I've ever heard
Speaker 1: on this topic is you can't possibly become a confident
Speaker 1: adult unless you've been lost and found your way back twice.
Speaker 1: And we don't let our kids do that anymore. Wow,
Speaker 1: shot a steer in front of grade schoolers, son of
Speaker 1: a Where do you think meat comes from? You?
Speaker 3: Panty waste? What does panty waste mean? Means you you're
Speaker 3: wearing panties. You're there for a girl. Therefore your week
Speaker 3: not a very good term.
Speaker 1: Then it's fine? Uh, could we like work up to
Speaker 1: the whole, you know, popping a cap and the steers dome?
Speaker 1: Could we just maybe watch a butcher cut aside of
Speaker 1: beef out already dead right exactly, and the kids who
Speaker 1: have in particular interest in animal husbandry could perhaps go
Speaker 1: to the advanced class. Yes, Michael, that reminds me of
Speaker 1: the Napoleon Dynamite.
Speaker 5: I say no, exactly exactly. The bus comes to stop,
Speaker 5: that god old farmer shoots the cow. The kids in
Speaker 5: the bus exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh what were we talking about? This one got into
Speaker 1: the onion patch.
Speaker 3: I didn't get to my topic about men and friends
Speaker 3: and a bunch of other stuff, so stay tuned.
Speaker 6: The FDA recalling potentially deadly tomatoes sold in three states.
Speaker 6: The tomatoes possibly contaminated with salmonella sold in Georgia, North Carolina,
Speaker 6: and South Carolina. The FDA says the tomatoes were packaged
Speaker 6: under the name H and C Farms label.
Speaker 1: No deaths or illnesses have been reported.
Speaker 3: I saw on the label or on the news that
Speaker 3: it was a level one concern, So oh.
Speaker 1: No or oh right? Exactly what's the concern scale? Does
Speaker 1: anybody know it? Oh? Speaking of which, we mentioned it
Speaker 1: earlier today. But it seems infinitely clear now that University
Speaker 1: of Michigan researcher, Chinese national and his wife smuggled in
Speaker 1: deadly well not well deadly. I was incredibly injurious pathological
Speaker 1: funguses into the US that appeared to be a known
Speaker 1: agro terrorism agent that could decimate billions and billions of
Speaker 1: dollars worth of crops.
Speaker 3: She's a known Communist Party member as a researcher here
Speaker 3: in the United States.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's her boyfriend. I'm sorry, who was the researcher? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he brought it in and was working with her.
Speaker 1: He lied about bringing it in. They figured out he
Speaker 1: was lying, She claimed she didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 1: Then they came up with emails and texts showing that
Speaker 1: they'd been discussing it. So yeah, in speaking of threats
Speaker 1: to the homeland, it is now undeniable. And everybody's talking
Speaker 1: about how the Ukrainian breakthrough attack on Russia with all
Speaker 1: the drones and the trucks and the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Although it was not quite as devastating as Ukraine was
Speaker 1: originally claiming, it was still quite quite notable, and everybody agrees.
Speaker 1: As the editorial board at the Wall Street Journal says,
Speaker 1: Ukraine's drone strike is a warning for the US. The
Speaker 1: American homeland is also vulnerable to drone and missile attacks,
Speaker 1: as is everywhere on Earth. Another headline I thought was
Speaker 1: at least worth touching on or referring to the incredibly
Speaker 1: just dis shockingly hypocritical Democrats who are celebrating the fact
Speaker 1: that Elon Musk is criticizing the Big Beautiful Bill. He
Speaker 1: called it a slight misstep, Jack was that the phraser
Speaker 1: What if he called it an incorrigible abomination? Disgusting abomination. Yes,
Speaker 1: he called the big beautiful bill of discussing abomination. Speaking
Speaker 1: of the Wall Street Journal editorial board, they make a
Speaker 1: pretty good point. Who's pork do you mean? Elon? Elon,
Speaker 1: in criticizing the bill, says, quote, this massive, outrageous, pork
Speaker 1: filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. He's right.
Speaker 1: Shame on those of you who voted for it. You
Speaker 1: know you did wrong. You know it pork filled spending bill?
Speaker 1: Asks the Journal, what else is new when they go
Speaker 1: into you know the fact that it always is, there's
Speaker 1: some good stuff. There could be some better stuff. They're
Speaker 1: working on the bill, And yes it does overspend, but
Speaker 1: it also ends most of the inflation reduction acts, green
Speaker 1: energy subsidies. Ah, but mister Musk doesn't want to eliminate
Speaker 1: that pork quote. There's no change to tax incentives for
Speaker 1: oil and gas. Just ev andslar, he said on x
Speaker 1: dot com last week, retweeting another user post that said
Speaker 1: slashing solar energy credits is unjust. But what's more unjust
Speaker 1: is the damage that has done to people's lives during
Speaker 1: storms and blackouts, because ultimately, you can't replace a human life. Well, that.
Speaker 1: But this is what's always so crazy about the Elon
Speaker 1: Musk thing, and then people's views of him. He is
Speaker 1: a big climate change is an existential threat guy, always
Speaker 1: has been. That's why he started an electric car company.
Speaker 1: And then lefties turns against him because he likes Trump
Speaker 1: and right wingers embraced him. He's still climate change is
Speaker 1: the biggest threat. Wants electric cars guy. I mean, just
Speaker 1: you know, pick the things you believe in, but you
Speaker 1: just can't keep switching around. You love him, you hate him,
Speaker 1: you love him, you hate him, even though he still
Speaker 1: agrees with you. A final note on this, mister Musk
Speaker 1: is parroting the climate lobby's specious claim the tax breaks
Speaker 1: like depreciation that are available to all manufacturers are really
Speaker 1: a special benefit for the oil and gas industry. But
Speaker 1: it's rich that he is denouncing the House bill for
Speaker 1: not cutting spending enough. Well, he is also fuming that
Speaker 1: it kills green energy tax credits. Is if they are
Speaker 1: a matter of life and death for well, he believes
Speaker 1: it's a matter of life and death for human beings.
Speaker 1: Though that's why he started the company in the first place.
Speaker 1: So I mean, he's must to blast us to Mars
Speaker 1: for when the planet melts. Yeah, exactly. He's an idea
Speaker 1: log on climate change which everybody on the right conveniently
Speaker 1: forgot or the left when they decided to. That's why
Speaker 1: I got flipped off again yesterday in my cyber truck.
Speaker 1: Almost daily do I get either flipped off, thumbs down,
Speaker 1: or booed in my cyber truck. It's hilarious. I'm sure. Well,
Speaker 1: it might happen anywhere. I was gonna say it might
Speaker 1: be because of where I live.
Speaker 3: But if I lived in the Midwest, it'd just be
Speaker 3: because it's an electric car.
Speaker 1: You've got to have a line to yell at them
Speaker 1: or say to them, roll down your window and say,
Speaker 1: Elon Musk has done more for the environment than anyone
Speaker 1: else in America with his electric car company. See what
Speaker 1: they say, which is pretty accurate.
Speaker 3: Arguably, Yeah, he's done more for electric cars than anybody
Speaker 3: in the world probably.
Speaker 1: And then when they say, you know, you make an
Speaker 1: interesting point first, right, Oh, that is illegal, folks, You
Speaker 1: can't do that. Don't do that. That was merely a
Speaker 1: joke from old uncle Joe.
Speaker 3: I can't tease the same story for the fiftieth time,
Speaker 3: can I.
Speaker 1: I'll finally get to it.
Speaker 3: Is there a crisis with friendship and males in this country?
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: So I got this new talkback feature that we're gonna
Speaker 3: try and we're we're we're in the we're in the
Speaker 3: the what do they call it, the beta phase of
Speaker 3: figuring out how we're gonna utilize this on the show
Speaker 3: or whatever. And I threw out the first question to
Speaker 3: try this out to somebody. This is somebody called in
Speaker 3: and then we record them or whatever, because we stopped
Speaker 3: taking calls years ago for a variety of reasons that
Speaker 3: listeners would know. Uh, So I threw out the question
Speaker 3: of what do you like about the Armstrong and Getty show.
Speaker 4: Hey, you could be the first call it, Hitler, Muslim extreamist.
Speaker 1: That's good stuff. So hey, you can be the first
Speaker 1: so solid.
Speaker 3: Okay, we don't need to hear twice. So so we're
Speaker 3: off to a good start. And I again, do we
Speaker 3: need to reiterate why we stopped taking calls? But apparently
Speaker 3: this is some more on the question of what do
Speaker 3: you like about the Armstrong and Giddy show.
Speaker 1: You are my favorite people. You make me laugh in
Speaker 1: the morning when I'm taking the train to work.
Speaker 7: I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being you. I do have to agree.
Speaker 1: Joe's looks are rough, but then again, he has beautiful hair.
Speaker 1: Why do you lie? Is it your greed? The best
Speaker 1: part of Armstrong and Giddy is Katie, And when she
Speaker 1: was gone for a week, that was like a void.
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe.
Speaker 7: You make me laugh, you make me cry, you make
Speaker 7: me bad, But in the end you make the first
Speaker 7: three or four hours of my day at least a
Speaker 7: good informative.
Speaker 1: These guys have a good one. What do I like
Speaker 1: about the Armstrong and Gutty show. I like the fact
Speaker 1: that you don't take calls. We'll see how this little
Speaker 1: experiment goes. But I'm not optimistic, neither of I. Now,
Speaker 1: don't let your meat loaf, don't let your hot dogs stand,
Speaker 1: don't let your wristwatch. Okay, that made me incredibly uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: Me too? Why Why did that make me so? Did
Speaker 1: you asked that question? All right, we have tomorrow you
Speaker 1: come up with the question. We'll try it again. Better
Speaker 1: than not.
Speaker 3: So, I just wanted something I knew people to respond to,
Speaker 3: to get the first one.
Speaker 1: So this was in the New York Times the other day.
Speaker 3: It was an opinion piece, but a lot of fact
Speaker 3: built into it. The question was American men are getting
Speaker 3: worse at maintaining friendships. I think, have I actually heard
Speaker 3: this before? Have I heard just heard people in real
Speaker 3: life mention it to me? Anyway, American men are geting
Speaker 3: worse at maintaining friendships. Is it a lack of time
Speaker 3: or energy? Or is it something else? And then getting
Speaker 3: into some of the details that this person writes, what
Speaker 3: I didn't know is that American men are getting significantly
Speaker 3: worse at friendship. A study in twenty twenty four by
Speaker 3: the Survey Center on American Life found that only a
Speaker 3: quarter of men reported having six or more close friends.
Speaker 1: That seems like a lot to me. Pulling a similar
Speaker 1: question in nineteen ninety, Gallup had put this figure at
Speaker 1: over half of men had six or more close friends.
Speaker 1: The same Survey Center found that seventeen percent of men
Speaker 1: had zero close friends. That was a fivefold increase from
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety. The zero crowd went from well, it increased
Speaker 1: five times. Yeah, probably roughly three to seventeen. It's awful.
Speaker 1: I agree, six seems like a lot, but yeah, zero
Speaker 1: is too few.
Speaker 3: The lack of intimacy among male friends may seem normal
Speaker 3: because it's what we're accustomed to, but it isn't. Until
Speaker 3: the twentieth century, it was not uncommon for men in
Speaker 3: this country to openly hold hands, sit on each other's
Speaker 3: laps in public party anyway.
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, Wait a minute, Yeah, that happened all the time.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute. I don't know if I believe this.
Speaker 3: Until the twentieth century, it was not uncommon for men
Speaker 3: in this country to openly hold hands, sit on each
Speaker 3: other laps in public parts, and write each other passionate
Speaker 3: platonic love letters. You know, my desire to befriend you
Speaker 3: is everlasting. Abraham Lincoln, I have wrote to his friend
Speaker 3: Joshua Speed. Yeah, blah blah blah. Herman Melville, who wrote
Speaker 3: Moby Dick, once wrote to yes, Katie, you already have
Speaker 3: a comment.
Speaker 1: I can tell.
Speaker 8: I'm just gonna say, if this is true, you guys
Speaker 8: should bring that.
Speaker 1: Back each other's thing I've ever heard in my life
Speaker 1: kill me? Oh my god, so is it.
Speaker 3: Herman Melville once wrote Toathaniel Hawthorne, what's he famous for?
Speaker 1: Red Badge of Courage? Not Stephen Crane? What Hawthorne? Anyway?
Speaker 1: The Scarlet Letter might be crane.
Speaker 3: Two famous authors from the eighteen hundreds. Melville wrote to
Speaker 3: Hawthorn that Hawthorne's heart beat in my ribs and mine
Speaker 3: and yours, and describe their friendship as an friendship as
Speaker 3: an infinite fraternity of feeling. That is not the sort
Speaker 3: of thing I would write to a friend of the
Speaker 3: yo you see? That game last night would be closer
Speaker 3: to it. Can I sit on your lap in the park?
Speaker 1: Hey, when we played golf, that was an infinite what
Speaker 1: did you say? Fraternity of feeling? Yeah? Today, dude, it
Speaker 1: was fun. Thanks for writing. I gotta know this, Katie.
Speaker 1: Who's Nathaniel Hawthorne? What did he write? Scarlet letter? Scarlet letter?
Speaker 1: Joe's right congratulates got it? Yes, today we may see
Speaker 1: these gestures as homo erotic, but men at the time,
Speaker 1: I'm gay and straight talk to one another in this way.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we have to go back to
Speaker 1: holding hands as we walk down the street or sitting
Speaker 1: on each other's laps. But I don't, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: You don't even see grown women sitting on each other's laps,
Speaker 3: So it's not a male thing.
Speaker 1: What the hell is that is there? A lack of
Speaker 1: seating back in the day. Was that what was going on?
Speaker 8: You absolutely do see women sitting on each other's laps,
Speaker 8: you do, yeah, oh yeah all the time? Not bars, concerts, Okay, absolutely,
Speaker 8: if there's only one chair.
Speaker 1: Did they ever accidentally kiss? Yes, all the time. It
Speaker 1: is crazy how it happened.
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, Well say, I guess I'm wrong about that,
Speaker 3: all right. I kill don't know if that's got much
Speaker 3: to do with the friendship thing.
Speaker 1: Something tells me there's a greater point here beyond the
Speaker 1: lap sitting and handholding though, right, well so so for
Speaker 1: the I have a bunch of questions.
Speaker 3: Define good friend, close friend? I feel like I need
Speaker 3: a definition on that. Oh, I think we all have
Speaker 3: one in our heads, don't we. Beyond a companion, you
Speaker 3: do stuff.
Speaker 1: With, you talk about your lives and ups and downs
Speaker 1: in a sincere way. If you have to call on
Speaker 1: them to help you, even if it is inconvenient, expensive,
Speaker 1: or difficult, they'll come through for you. You know, how
Speaker 1: often you need to talk to them to qualify depends.
Speaker 1: I suppose you know it's funny this should come up.
Speaker 1: I missed the last hour of the show yesterday, an
Speaker 1: unexcused absence, which will go on my permanent record. But
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to reconnect with a friend who
Speaker 1: I had not seen in far too long, and because
Speaker 1: of his travel schedule and all, and I had to
Speaker 1: like go where he was. That something had to give,
Speaker 1: and so I miss an hour of the show, which
Speaker 1: I never would have done for years and years and years.
Speaker 1: But I because, partly because I'm a little obsessive about
Speaker 1: this job, I have not prioritized friendships and it has
Speaker 1: left me a less happy person. So it's funny that
Speaker 1: this should come up today. Hmm. Do you think that's
Speaker 1: what people are doing? Men are doing They're working too much,
Speaker 1: have friends or other entertainment is always there. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing that keeps guys from going out and finding
Speaker 1: a girlfriend and you know, actually having delightful physical relations.
Speaker 1: They're so entertained they're on their couch, they don't bother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's kind of where I was going,
Speaker 3: is just thinking. It's probably the same phenomenon of not
Speaker 3: needing to date or have sex. I mean, if you
Speaker 3: can overcome the strongest desire that all beasts have to
Speaker 3: have sex, then you can certainly give up, you know,
Speaker 3: hanging out with another dude now and then and talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, for.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is that you're doing instead, which I assume
Speaker 3: is I don't know, video games, porn, hanging out.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but yeah, porn, video games.
Speaker 1: I think it all is under the awful, evil umbrella
Speaker 1: of disconnectedness. I've got another big fat article that I've
Speaker 1: got in my queue to read about. You know that
Speaker 1: topic again. I mean, it's just undeniably at the root
Speaker 1: of so much that's going on right now in human society,
Speaker 1: particularly the Western world. Again, and we made this point
Speaker 1: many times. Forgive us if you've heard it before, but
Speaker 1: the idea that catastrophic plunges in the birth rate are
Speaker 1: merely interesting is that would not apply if there were
Speaker 1: any beast on Earth that had a catastrophic drop in
Speaker 1: its birthlf. Remember when scientists would be obsessed with it.
Speaker 1: Remember we were getting so many news stories about bees
Speaker 1: because bees might go away? How about human beings going away?
Speaker 1: That seems like they these jack Ooh yeah, so I stupid.
Speaker 1: I'm ashamed of that.
Speaker 6: I had.
Speaker 3: I had my guard up a little bit and still
Speaker 3: do for it. Just being a there's something wrong with
Speaker 3: men story When it's Homo sapiens, Clearly there's something wrong
Speaker 3: with human beings. We're not getting together at all. So
Speaker 3: turning to turn it into a why why are men
Speaker 3: so worried about sitting, you know, being seen holding hands
Speaker 3: that they don't have friends anymore? Just I feel like
Speaker 3: they're going for an angle there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a particularly New York Times Ish guys
Speaker 1: really ought to be able to hold hands and maybe
Speaker 1: kiss and stuff like that, because you know, traditional masculinity
Speaker 1: is stupid. It had a bit of a feel right field,
Speaker 1: and that's why you don't have friends anymore because you're
Speaker 1: too homophobic. Yeah, right, somehow that isn't it.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I noticed that. It's different than
Speaker 3: it was decades ago, like nineteen ninety. I was a
Speaker 3: twenty five year old in nineteen ninety, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's either a crisis or it's not well. But again,
Speaker 3: there is a crisis that people. People in general don't
Speaker 3: hang out with other people period. So don't try to
Speaker 3: make it a there's something wrong with men's story.
Speaker 1: No, in my mind, no, no, I think it's uh,
Speaker 1: the Canary and the coal Mine or the the owl
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, but because women have so
Speaker 1: much stronger generally speaking, so much stronger in urge to
Speaker 1: build coalitions and social groups than men do. And it's
Speaker 1: it's different. I think you're seeing it first among men,
Speaker 1: especially because and it's funny we're talking about this in
Speaker 1: the context of the Democratic Party trying to understand why
Speaker 1: they've lost young men and how masculinity and traditional roles
Speaker 1: have been demonized, especially on the progressive left. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: things that brought men together traditionally for years and years.
Speaker 1: And it's funny the New York Times should suddenly be
Speaker 1: enamored with traditional male roles and the way males acted.
Speaker 1: A lot of that's gone. Yeah.
Speaker 3: One note before we take a break is just I
Speaker 3: was thinking at the gym, because everybody where is this.
Speaker 3: I'm sure this is true for you, Katie, the gym
Speaker 3: you go to, but everybody wears earbuds, so everybody's got
Speaker 3: earbuds in. And I go to the gym every single day,
Speaker 3: and I was just sitting there with my earbuds listening
Speaker 3: to a podcast, sitting there in between sets the other
Speaker 3: day thinking I have been going to the same gym
Speaker 3: with the same people oftentimes for what nine months now,
Speaker 3: I don't know anybody's name. I've never spoken a word
Speaker 3: to any of these people. You go back pre wearing earpieces.
Speaker 3: I think I would know everybody in here, just because
Speaker 3: you couldn't help it. I mean, you couldn't help being
Speaker 3: in the same room with all those people in silence,
Speaker 3: or maybe with a jam box playing in the corner,
Speaker 3: that you wouldn't have started hot to day. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I was supposed to go golfing with some friends,
Speaker 3: but I got and they've got conversation starts and now you.
Speaker 1: Know, we play, Yeah, and then something happens. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you get to know her and everybody know, but now nobody.
Speaker 1: I have never said a word to a single person
Speaker 1: at my gym. Maybe are you dog? The other day
Speaker 1: and our neighbor came out with her dog and I
Speaker 1: shouted a happy greeting, intending to converse that she had
Speaker 1: the earbuds going, and yeah, yeah, yeah, which I do
Speaker 1: all the time. I'm not faulting her.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, yeah, it works both ways. But anytime
Speaker 3: I tried to say something like are you done here
Speaker 3: or whatever, it's they always gotta pause their device. And
Speaker 3: what was that, so, yeah, that might have something to
Speaker 3: do with it. We will finish strong next talking about
Speaker 3: friendship and whether there's a crisis in man among friendship
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: If you didn't hear it, get the podcast.
Speaker 3: But Jack and Joe, Katie is right. Girls will absolutely
Speaker 3: sit on each other's laps. We will also sleep in
Speaker 3: the same bed for girls trips. According to my husband,
Speaker 3: he would never would men share a bed ever, which
Speaker 3: I really do understand. This may be part of why
Speaker 3: guys are losing good friendships because we won't sleep in
Speaker 3: the same bed. Can we get Why would we get
Speaker 3: one king when we can get two queen's in a
Speaker 3: hotel room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're bike curious, that's just it non starter.
Speaker 1: I was talking to my wife about this because she
Speaker 1: will do you know, girls' trips, quilting retreats, whatever, and they'll,
Speaker 1: you know, if necessary for a limited you know whatever,
Speaker 1: it's a share a bed. And I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sleeping on the floor. And Judy's like, come on,
Speaker 1: I'm like no, seriously, Yeah, throw me a pillow. I'm
Speaker 1: on the floor. Oh yeah, absolutely, I'd sleep on the floor. Yeah.
Speaker 8: See the sharing a bed thing I did maybe in
Speaker 8: my twenties, but now I'm on.
Speaker 1: The floor as a grown woman. Yeah, because on the floor,
Speaker 1: or did I share a bed with my friend? Why
Speaker 1: won't you anymore? I just in my personal space. I
Speaker 1: value it too much. I don't know. It's weird, you know,
Speaker 1: is it homophobia to not want to be in the
Speaker 1: same because you know, if it's a big bed, we're
Speaker 1: not going to touch each other. And I well, I
Speaker 1: questioned the term homophobia, but I see what you're driving at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what does make a man uncomfortable about that?
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it, But I mean because back in
Speaker 1: the day, you know, they were talking about men sitting
Speaker 1: at each other's laughs and holding hands and the rest
Speaker 1: of it. But unquestionably you would share a bed, yeah,
Speaker 1: in a hotel, you know. On the legal circuit, you know,
Speaker 1: there are various gay activists who were trying to pitch
Speaker 1: the idea that Lincoln was gay because he shared a
Speaker 1: bed with other lawyers on the circle. But no, that
Speaker 1: was just what dom did. Yeah. Well, my dad grew
Speaker 1: up seven kids, and all the boys would sleep in
Speaker 1: one bed and all the girls would sleep in another bed.
Speaker 1: It was just the way you had to do things. Yeah, Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: that is interesting though, I don't even know myself why
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. It's not like I'm
Speaker 1: afraid I'm gonna all of a sudden turn gay or
Speaker 1: they're going to turn gay or anything. You know. Well, no,
Speaker 1: so what is that I don't wanna That's why dud
Speaker 1: don't cyclelo psycho analyze me. I just don't want to.
Speaker 6: And now final faults with Armstrong and getting engage.
Speaker 1: You know it's I got a good story about that.
Speaker 1: I'll save for the podcast.
Speaker 3: Oh point, the one time I did share a bed
Speaker 3: because it was freezing and what happened. That'll be the
Speaker 3: one More Thing podcast. Here's your host for final.
Speaker 1: Thoughts, Joe get I'm busy that day. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get a final thought from everybody on the show to
Speaker 1: wrap things up for the day. There he is Michaelangelo
Speaker 1: or technical director Michael lead us Off. If you got
Speaker 1: you gotta watch the movie Planes, Trains and Automobile. Steve
Speaker 1: Martin and John Candy share a bed in that movie,
Speaker 1: and it's quite funny. It is funny. Those aren't pillows
Speaker 1: famous punchline, right, those aren't pillows? Yes, Katie Green are
Speaker 1: esteemed Newswoman. As a final thought, Katie, what's your final thought?
Speaker 8: Well, today is my wonderful husband's birthday. Happy birthday, Drew.
Speaker 1: Father's Jackie final thought for us, Yes, my son passed
Speaker 1: his swimming test in boy Scouts last night, so at
Speaker 1: the camps he gets to participate in all the swimming stuff.
Speaker 1: If you don't pass your swimming test, you go to
Speaker 1: the camps and you stand and watch people do the
Speaker 1: swimming stuff, which will have sucked hard. So glad that happened.
Speaker 1: So final thought is to anybody else who's done a
Speaker 1: major house remodel in the last several years. It started
Speaker 1: with them. There seems to be a lot of water
Speaker 1: penetration here. Who there's rot. Wait a minute, there's signs
Speaker 1: of termites. Blah blah blah. I think I'm going to
Speaker 1: be living in a hole in the ground by the
Speaker 1: time we're done with this. It looks like somebody around
Speaker 1: me here. At one point, Armstrong and Getty wraping up
Speaker 1: another grueling four hour workday, and rats, so many rats,
Speaker 1: so many people who thanks a little time a good
Speaker 1: Armstrong you, Getty dot com. Any pleasures await you there, friends,
Speaker 1: We will see tomorrow. God bless America. I'm strong and Ghetty.
Speaker 1: I will not sugarcoat this. This is disappointing day for us.
Speaker 1: I expected more the ketchup of journalism with the mustard
Speaker 1: of undercover work, but there's no freaking burger. This is insane.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to get some cheeks after disciss. Really,
Speaker 1: but you have to pay attention to the cries that
Speaker 1: people have. It's true. What now, I haven't said a word,
Speaker 1: so stop yelling at me. Okay, thank you all very much.
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty