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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong

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Speaker 1: and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 2: The Los Angeles Police Department has launched an investigation after

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Speaker 2: an officer accidentally fired around from their personal rifle in

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Speaker 2: a parking garage. Well, that's one way to remember where

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Speaker 2: you parked. I thought it was G seven. No, it's

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Speaker 2: definitely the one with a bullet hole. How you doing?

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Speaker 3: So we just did a story on the news that

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Speaker 3: maybe you didn't hear, and Joe made a joke about.

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Speaker 3: We asked the question, would we be better off bringing back

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Speaker 3: public hangings or not?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: And we all had an enthusiastic yes, but we're just hangings.

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Speaker 3: Were being snarky, although was I.

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Speaker 1: Was I Pump pump pum. I think the cloaking the

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Speaker 1: hiding of executions is a bad idea.

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Speaker 3: Well, so are you trying to make an argument against executions.

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Speaker 1: Or are you trying to make an argument in favor

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Speaker 1: of public hangings? Michael, At some point he is going

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Speaker 1: to understand that I am serious.

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Speaker 3: It could take a while, so at the very least,

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Speaker 3: though the reason I brought this back up. Is how

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Speaker 3: different and that there has to be a result from this.

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Speaker 3: You can't have a cultural shift this huge without it

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Speaker 3: resulting in something either good or bad.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't that long ago. I mean, we.

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Speaker 3: Broadcast from northern California and there's a town called Placerville

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Speaker 3: that it used to be called Hangtown. And they still

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Speaker 3: have a thing downtown where, whether that's kind of like

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Speaker 3: got a plaque on it or whatever, is a California

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Speaker 3: Historic something or other where they used to hang people.

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Speaker 1: And I've talked to my kids about it before when

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Speaker 1: we look out it. Yeah, they used to. They'd bring

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Speaker 1: criminals out who deserved the death penalty and they'd hang them.

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Speaker 1: They're never'd gather around and watch.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know if you clapped or danced or

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Speaker 3: sang or cried or I don't know what people did dance.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather not dance under any circumstances, particularly get a

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Speaker 1: hanging put me in the news. I ain't dancing. But

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Speaker 1: that's a major cultural shift from you watch a man

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Speaker 1: being hung with your child two. We can't even imagine it,

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Speaker 1: And of course it's gonna have a result. And what

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Speaker 1: do you think the result has been well, the deterrent

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Speaker 1: effect of execution is lost when I was as that's

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Speaker 1: what I was driving toward. If it is so cloaked

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Speaker 1: in secrecy and quiet, and you just see if you

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Speaker 1: happen to be a Who's junkie a reference that the

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Speaker 1: guy who you know raped and murdered three women has

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Speaker 1: been executed thirty seven years after his crime. I mean

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Speaker 1: that has zero to turn effect.

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Speaker 3: I thought you were making the Paddi waste liberal argument

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Speaker 3: that if we saw executions then we would understand how

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Speaker 3: horrific they are and be against the death penalty.

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Speaker 1: Need I show you my panti free waste, sir.

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Speaker 3: This is our favorite sitcom from the seventies, hanging clip.

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Speaker 4: You see, in this country, we're very proud to have

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Speaker 4: a process known as the law, and under the law,

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Speaker 4: a man is presumed innocent until.

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Speaker 1: He's proven guilty. Sure, Dad, right, Dad?

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Speaker 4: In other words, we don't hang anybody without a fair trial.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows that.

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Speaker 4: Sure, but sometimes we tend to forget. Well, I'm glad

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Speaker 4: you understand. I'll see you kids later. I have to

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Speaker 4: go shopping with you.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, mom's a beard. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: shopping with your mother is a fate worse and hanging.

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Speaker 1: Mike Brady knew that sometimes the hanging was justified. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's odd that that conversation in a sitcom was seemed

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Speaker 1: normal in the seventies and now strikes us as ridiculous

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Speaker 1: than a sitcom. You'd have dad sit the kids down

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Speaker 1: let's say, sure, dad, right, Dad, I've got to go

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Speaker 1: shopping your mother after this quick hanging discussion, Right after

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Speaker 1: a quick reference to hanging a man by the neck

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Speaker 1: until death, my eight year old lad, Now you go

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Speaker 1: play in the backyard and I'm off to shop with

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Speaker 1: your mother in the town I live in, Most kids

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Speaker 1: see you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I see it as more of

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Speaker 3: the deterrent advantage as well. I guess it is ultimately

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Speaker 3: just a crime and punishment. Just like you do things,

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Speaker 1: There's a result to live in a life of crime.

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Speaker 1: that you wouldn't you jumpers, claim jumpers, horse thieves and

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Speaker 1: lunch reasonably priced and delicious. I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: ambivalence about the death penalty in general, just the idea

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Speaker 1: of the government being able to take somebody's life. But

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Speaker 1: when you get oh that's right, I was going to

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Speaker 1: where I mean, just somebody like the guy who set

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Speaker 1: fire to those people in Boulder. He's admitting it.

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Speaker 3: He would he would be screaming, I'd like to kill

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Speaker 3: more Jews as the noose tightened around his neck.

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Speaker 1: And his crimes were so completely horrific and the ear,

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Speaker 1: you know, irredeemable. He's suitable for a hand process. That's

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Speaker 1: what I say. We saw it on television, we've all

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Speaker 1: seen it. Well, maybe we can come to a middle

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Speaker 1: here's a serious point, and I mean thish straight from

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Speaker 1: lulled us into becoming a very gentle, very soft, tolerant

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Speaker 1: live in the most dangerous neighborhood in the city. Millions

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Speaker 1: of people flooding across the borders, you know, criminal gangs,

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Speaker 1: crime rampant progressives who hold bizarre Marxist beliefs. Well, some

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Speaker 1: some understand what they're doing, but some have. The argument

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Speaker 1: the criminals loose because it's not their fault the criminals. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that reminds me. I've got a really interesting study of

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Speaker 1: criminality coming up. Anyway, the era of that softness is ending,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to be ending in ways that are

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Speaker 1: threat of homegrown or import Islamists who are willing to

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Speaker 1: murder Jews or anybody who sympathizes with them, Chinese agents, saboteurs,

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Speaker 1: and that's just two of them, it's it's going to

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Speaker 1: be unpleasant coming out, coming out of our softness. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But like so I was just thinking about this.

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Speaker 3: So people used to go, and it wasn't that long ago,

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Speaker 3: you go watch somebody be executed. I've told this story

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Speaker 3: many times. I was in a relationship with a woman

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Speaker 3: who for their grade school field trip in a little

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Speaker 3: The guy walked a steer in, shot it in front

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Speaker 3: of the kids with a rifle, then cut it up

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Speaker 3: to show them about like where meat comes from.

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Speaker 1: Right. That happens a million times after the guy who

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Speaker 1: just unleashed that screen ninety seconds ago. I'm saying, holy crap.

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Speaker 1: So my thought was the people that went that was

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Speaker 1: guessing roughly late seventies. Okay, So.

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking the people that in grade school saw a

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Speaker 3: steer shot in front of them or hanging damn whooping golf?

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Speaker 3: How many of those kids were suffering from anxiety or

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Speaker 1: I'm not thinking very many. Yeah, so it didn't like

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Speaker 1: we feel like we're shielding ourselves from these troubling things

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Speaker 1: that would cause you nightmares, but we're getting the reverse

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm going to figure it out today. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: go down to the grade school and I go shoot a

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Speaker 3: number of animals right in front of the children.

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Speaker 1: Let's start. Yeah, now that might be microplastics, that's calls

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Speaker 1: on all this. I don't know. I suspect it's environmental,

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Speaker 1: like you're talking. I'm sorry, like psychology. No, well you could,

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Speaker 1: obviously you could be right, But it's not a stretch

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Speaker 1: to think that everybody that is everybody being shielded from

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Speaker 1: all the difficulties of life or the reality of life

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Speaker 1: and death are all kinds of different. You know, you

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Speaker 1: of course, with that crowd, just like everyday life, is

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Speaker 1: horrifyingly scary. One of the smartest things I've ever heard

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Speaker 1: on this topic is you can't possibly become a confident

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Speaker 1: And we don't let our kids do that anymore. Wow,

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Speaker 1: a Where do you think meat comes from? You?

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Speaker 3: Panty waste? What does panty waste mean? Means you you're

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Speaker 3: wearing panties. You're there for a girl. Therefore your week

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Speaker 1: Then it's fine? Uh, could we like work up to

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Speaker 1: the whole, you know, popping a cap and the steers dome?

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Speaker 1: to the advanced class. Yes, Michael, that reminds me of

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Speaker 5: I say no, exactly exactly. The bus comes to stop,

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Speaker 5: that god old farmer shoots the cow. The kids in

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Speaker 5: the bus exactly.

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Speaker 1: Oh what were we talking about? This one got into

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Speaker 3: I didn't get to my topic about men and friends

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Speaker 3: and a bunch of other stuff, so stay tuned.

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Speaker 6: The FDA recalling potentially deadly tomatoes sold in three states.

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Speaker 6: The tomatoes possibly contaminated with salmonella sold in Georgia, North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: No deaths or illnesses have been reported.

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Speaker 1: anybody know it? Oh? Speaking of which, we mentioned it

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Speaker 1: earlier today. But it seems infinitely clear now that University

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Speaker 1: of Michigan researcher, Chinese national and his wife smuggled in

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Speaker 1: deadly well not well deadly. I was incredibly injurious pathological

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Speaker 1: funguses into the US that appeared to be a known

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Speaker 1: agro terrorism agent that could decimate billions and billions of

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Speaker 3: She's a known Communist Party member as a researcher here

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's her boyfriend. I'm sorry, who was the researcher? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but he brought it in and was working with her.

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Speaker 1: He lied about bringing it in. They figured out he

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Speaker 1: they'd been discussing it. So yeah, in speaking of threats

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Speaker 1: to the homeland, it is now undeniable. And everybody's talking

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Speaker 1: Why do you lie? Is it your greed? The best

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Speaker 1: Back each other's thing I've ever heard in my life

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Speaker 1: Who's Nathaniel Hawthorne? What did he write? Scarlet letter? Scarlet letter?

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Speaker 1: Joe's right congratulates got it? Yes, today we may see

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Speaker 1: I never would have done for years and years and years.

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Speaker 1: But I because, partly because I'm a little obsessive about

435
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Speaker 1: this job, I have not prioritized friendships and it has

436
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Speaker 1: left me a less happy person. So it's funny that

437
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Speaker 1: this should come up today. Hmm. Do you think that's

438
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Speaker 1: what people are doing? Men are doing They're working too much,

439
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Speaker 1: have friends or other entertainment is always there. It's the

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Speaker 1: same thing that keeps guys from going out and finding

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Speaker 1: a girlfriend and you know, actually having delightful physical relations.

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Speaker 1: They're so entertained they're on their couch, they don't bother.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's that's kind of where I was going,

444
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Speaker 3: is just thinking. It's probably the same phenomenon of not

445
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Speaker 3: needing to date or have sex. I mean, if you

446
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Speaker 3: can overcome the strongest desire that all beasts have to

447
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Speaker 3: have sex, then you can certainly give up, you know,

448
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Speaker 3: hanging out with another dude now and then and talking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, for.

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Speaker 3: Whatever it is that you're doing instead, which I assume

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Speaker 3: is I don't know, video games, porn, hanging out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but yeah, porn, video games.

453
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Speaker 1: I think it all is under the awful, evil umbrella

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Speaker 1: of disconnectedness. I've got another big fat article that I've

455
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Speaker 1: got in my queue to read about. You know that

456
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Speaker 1: topic again. I mean, it's just undeniably at the root

457
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Speaker 1: of so much that's going on right now in human society,

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Speaker 1: particularly the Western world. Again, and we made this point

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Speaker 1: many times. Forgive us if you've heard it before, but

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Speaker 1: the idea that catastrophic plunges in the birth rate are

461
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Speaker 1: merely interesting is that would not apply if there were

462
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Speaker 1: any beast on Earth that had a catastrophic drop in

463
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Speaker 1: its birthlf. Remember when scientists would be obsessed with it.

464
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Speaker 1: Remember we were getting so many news stories about bees

465
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Speaker 1: because bees might go away? How about human beings going away?

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Speaker 1: That seems like they these jack Ooh yeah, so I stupid.

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Speaker 1: I'm ashamed of that.

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Speaker 6: I had.

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Speaker 3: I had my guard up a little bit and still

470
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Speaker 3: do for it. Just being a there's something wrong with

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Speaker 3: men story When it's Homo sapiens, Clearly there's something wrong

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Speaker 3: with human beings. We're not getting together at all. So

473
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Speaker 3: turning to turn it into a why why are men

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Speaker 3: so worried about sitting, you know, being seen holding hands

475
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Speaker 3: that they don't have friends anymore? Just I feel like

476
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Speaker 3: they're going for an angle there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a particularly New York Times Ish guys

478
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: really ought to be able to hold hands and maybe

479
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Speaker 1: kiss and stuff like that, because you know, traditional masculinity

480
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: is stupid. It had a bit of a feel right field,

481
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Speaker 1: and that's why you don't have friends anymore because you're

482
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Speaker 1: too homophobic. Yeah, right, somehow that isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I noticed that. It's different than

484
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Speaker 3: it was decades ago, like nineteen ninety. I was a

485
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Speaker 3: twenty five year old in nineteen ninety, so I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's either a crisis or it's not well. But again,

487
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Speaker 3: there is a crisis that people. People in general don't

488
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Speaker 3: hang out with other people period. So don't try to

489
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Speaker 3: make it a there's something wrong with men's story.

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Speaker 1: No, in my mind, no, no, I think it's uh,

491
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Speaker 1: the Canary and the coal Mine or the the owl

492
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Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, but because women have so

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Speaker 1: much stronger generally speaking, so much stronger in urge to

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Speaker 1: build coalitions and social groups than men do. And it's

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Speaker 1: it's different. I think you're seeing it first among men,

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Speaker 1: especially because and it's funny we're talking about this in

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Speaker 1: the context of the Democratic Party trying to understand why

498
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Speaker 1: they've lost young men and how masculinity and traditional roles

499
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Speaker 1: have been demonized, especially on the progressive left. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: things that brought men together traditionally for years and years.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny the New York Times should suddenly be

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Speaker 1: enamored with traditional male roles and the way males acted.

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Speaker 1: A lot of that's gone. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: One note before we take a break is just I

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Speaker 3: was thinking at the gym, because everybody where is this.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure this is true for you, Katie, the gym

507
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Speaker 3: you go to, but everybody wears earbuds, so everybody's got

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Speaker 3: earbuds in. And I go to the gym every single day,

509
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Speaker 3: and I was just sitting there with my earbuds listening

510
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Speaker 3: to a podcast, sitting there in between sets the other

511
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Speaker 3: day thinking I have been going to the same gym

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Speaker 3: with the same people oftentimes for what nine months now,

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Speaker 3: I don't know anybody's name. I've never spoken a word

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Speaker 3: to any of these people. You go back pre wearing earpieces.

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Speaker 3: I think I would know everybody in here, just because

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Speaker 3: you couldn't help it. I mean, you couldn't help being

517
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Speaker 3: in the same room with all those people in silence,

518
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Speaker 3: or maybe with a jam box playing in the corner,

519
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Speaker 3: that you wouldn't have started hot to day. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: I know, I was supposed to go golfing with some friends,

521
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: but I got and they've got conversation starts and now you.

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Speaker 1: Know, we play, Yeah, and then something happens. Yeah, and

523
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: you get to know her and everybody know, but now nobody.

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Speaker 1: I have never said a word to a single person

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Speaker 1: at my gym. Maybe are you dog? The other day

526
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Speaker 1: and our neighbor came out with her dog and I

527
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Speaker 1: shouted a happy greeting, intending to converse that she had

528
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Speaker 1: the earbuds going, and yeah, yeah, yeah, which I do

529
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Speaker 1: all the time. I'm not faulting her.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, yeah, it works both ways. But anytime

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Speaker 3: I tried to say something like are you done here

532
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: or whatever, it's they always gotta pause their device. And

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Speaker 3: what was that, so, yeah, that might have something to

534
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Speaker 3: do with it. We will finish strong next talking about

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Speaker 3: friendship and whether there's a crisis in man among friendship

536
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Speaker 3: or whatever.

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Speaker 1: If you didn't hear it, get the podcast.

538
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: But Jack and Joe, Katie is right. Girls will absolutely

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Speaker 3: sit on each other's laps. We will also sleep in

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Speaker 3: the same bed for girls trips. According to my husband,

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Speaker 3: he would never would men share a bed ever, which

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Speaker 3: I really do understand. This may be part of why

543
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Speaker 3: guys are losing good friendships because we won't sleep in

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Speaker 3: the same bed. Can we get Why would we get

545
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Speaker 3: one king when we can get two queen's in a

546
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Speaker 3: hotel room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're bike curious, that's just it non starter.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to my wife about this because she

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00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: will do you know, girls' trips, quilting retreats, whatever, and they'll,

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Speaker 1: you know, if necessary for a limited you know whatever,

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Speaker 1: it's a share a bed. And I'm like, no, no,

552
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Speaker 1: I'm sleeping on the floor. And Judy's like, come on,

553
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm like no, seriously, Yeah, throw me a pillow. I'm

554
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Speaker 1: on the floor. Oh yeah, absolutely, I'd sleep on the floor. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: See the sharing a bed thing I did maybe in

556
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Speaker 8: my twenties, but now I'm on.

557
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Speaker 1: The floor as a grown woman. Yeah, because on the floor,

558
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Speaker 1: or did I share a bed with my friend? Why

559
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: won't you anymore? I just in my personal space. I

560
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: value it too much. I don't know. It's weird, you know,

561
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Speaker 1: is it homophobia to not want to be in the

562
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Speaker 1: same because you know, if it's a big bed, we're

563
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Speaker 1: not going to touch each other. And I well, I

564
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: questioned the term homophobia, but I see what you're driving at.

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00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, what does make a man uncomfortable about that?

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it, But I mean because back in

567
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Speaker 1: the day, you know, they were talking about men sitting

568
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Speaker 1: at each other's laughs and holding hands and the rest

569
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Speaker 1: of it. But unquestionably you would share a bed, yeah,

570
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Speaker 1: in a hotel, you know. On the legal circuit, you know,

571
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Speaker 1: there are various gay activists who were trying to pitch

572
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Speaker 1: the idea that Lincoln was gay because he shared a

573
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Speaker 1: bed with other lawyers on the circle. But no, that

574
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: was just what dom did. Yeah. Well, my dad grew

575
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Speaker 1: up seven kids, and all the boys would sleep in

576
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Speaker 1: one bed and all the girls would sleep in another bed.

577
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: It was just the way you had to do things. Yeah, Yeah, anyway,

578
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: that is interesting though, I don't even know myself why

579
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. It's not like I'm

580
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Speaker 1: afraid I'm gonna all of a sudden turn gay or

581
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: they're going to turn gay or anything. You know. Well, no,

582
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Speaker 1: so what is that I don't wanna That's why dud

583
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: don't cyclelo psycho analyze me. I just don't want to.

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Speaker 6: And now final faults with Armstrong and getting engage.

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Speaker 1: You know it's I got a good story about that.

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Speaker 1: I'll save for the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Oh point, the one time I did share a bed

588
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Speaker 3: because it was freezing and what happened. That'll be the

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Speaker 3: one More Thing podcast. Here's your host for final.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts, Joe get I'm busy that day. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: get a final thought from everybody on the show to

592
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Speaker 1: wrap things up for the day. There he is Michaelangelo

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Speaker 1: or technical director Michael lead us Off. If you got

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Speaker 1: you gotta watch the movie Planes, Trains and Automobile. Steve

595
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: Martin and John Candy share a bed in that movie,

596
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Speaker 1: and it's quite funny. It is funny. Those aren't pillows

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Speaker 1: famous punchline, right, those aren't pillows? Yes, Katie Green are

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Speaker 1: esteemed Newswoman. As a final thought, Katie, what's your final thought?

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Speaker 8: Well, today is my wonderful husband's birthday. Happy birthday, Drew.

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Speaker 1: Father's Jackie final thought for us, Yes, my son passed

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Speaker 1: his swimming test in boy Scouts last night, so at

602
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Speaker 1: the camps he gets to participate in all the swimming stuff.

603
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: If you don't pass your swimming test, you go to

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Speaker 1: the camps and you stand and watch people do the

605
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Speaker 1: swimming stuff, which will have sucked hard. So glad that happened.

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Speaker 1: So final thought is to anybody else who's done a

607
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: major house remodel in the last several years. It started

608
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: with them. There seems to be a lot of water

609
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: penetration here. Who there's rot. Wait a minute, there's signs

610
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: of termites. Blah blah blah. I think I'm going to

611
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: be living in a hole in the ground by the

612
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 1: time we're done with this. It looks like somebody around

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00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: me here. At one point, Armstrong and Getty wraping up

614
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: another grueling four hour workday, and rats, so many rats,

615
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: so many people who thanks a little time a good

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Speaker 1: Armstrong you, Getty dot com. Any pleasures await you there, friends,

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Speaker 1: We will see tomorrow. God bless America. I'm strong and Ghetty.

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00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: I will not sugarcoat this. This is disappointing day for us.

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Speaker 1: I expected more the ketchup of journalism with the mustard

620
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: of undercover work, but there's no freaking burger. This is insane.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to get some cheeks after disciss. Really,

622
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: but you have to pay attention to the cries that

623
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Speaker 1: people have. It's true. What now, I haven't said a word,

624
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: so stop yelling at me. Okay, thank you all very much.

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Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty