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Speaker 1: up for Coast Insider. Now here's a highlight from Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast AM on iHeart Radio. Aliens at the Pentagon.

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Speaker 1: I love this title. Tell me more, Okay, it's essentially

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Speaker 1: it is my new documentary that I put out to

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Speaker 1: tell the story of of certainly the Pentagon's UFO program

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Speaker 1: a tip, but to contextualize that story and and really

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Speaker 1: to to try in one document tree to tell as

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Speaker 1: as best as I can, the entire story of the

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Speaker 1: US government's thorny relationship with this phenomenon over what seven

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Speaker 1: decades now, lots of people have been talking about the Pentagon,

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Speaker 1: the CIA, what's been going on? There? These new revelations

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Speaker 1: that keep coming out, Nick, What do you think of them?

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Speaker 1: They are absolutely staggering. There's no doubt that this has

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Speaker 1: been the biggest single revelation in the UFO community for

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Speaker 1: I think decades. The only story that I think comes close,

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Speaker 1: and I would say this wouldn't I is the declassification

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Speaker 1: and release of the British government's files. But the revelation

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Speaker 1: that after decades of denial, the US government did have

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Speaker 1: a UFO program after all, and it was run by

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Speaker 1: the Super Secretive Defense Intelligence Agency UM, an agency of

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Speaker 1: the d O D And and you know, like you say,

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Speaker 1: four years they said no, no, since Project blue Book

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Speaker 1: closed down, we haven't been doing this. There's no interest,

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Speaker 1: there are no investigations, and of course there were. And

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Speaker 1: that's what I really focus on in the new film

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Speaker 1: Aliens at the Pendican to try to try and untangle

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Speaker 1: the numerous threads to this story. And there are numerous threats.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've we've seen the videos, we've seen the

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Speaker 1: talk of mystery metals that are all the different players involved,

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Speaker 1: and maybe we'll get into some of this, but Robert Bigelow,

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Speaker 1: Senator Harry Reid, Tom DeLong, and you couldn't make this

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Speaker 1: stuff up. No, you can't make it up. And how

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Speaker 1: do you track all this stuff neck because it's coming

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Speaker 1: from all different directions these days. I think the answer

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Speaker 1: to that one is very cautiously and very carefully and

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Speaker 1: and absolutely in meticulous detail, because I think the problem

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Speaker 1: with this story in one sense, for years people have

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Speaker 1: A Tips story, with with these revelations, we almost have

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Speaker 1: the three videos came out, or two at first, then

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Speaker 1: So it took me to some interesting new territory. What

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Speaker 1: lue Alrizondo says, so what doesn't matter. You can continue

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Speaker 1: those things? Well, absolutely, what's the bottom line here, Nick,

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Speaker 1: the bottom of this. But but the bottom line to

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Speaker 1: answer your question is is that I think there was

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Speaker 1: a believer faction. They made their move, they came up

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Speaker 1: against some roadblocks, a couple of different roadblocks. One roadblock

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Speaker 1: was they simply got to a point where, you know,

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Speaker 1: they looked at this and and they investigated, but because

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Speaker 1: they didn't get a definitive answer, the feeling was that

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Speaker 1: they've taken a as far as as they could and

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Speaker 1: what else can you do. The other sort of roadblock

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Speaker 1: that they hit, and this is very controversial, is they

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Speaker 1: hit a i'll call it a religious roadblock from from

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Speaker 1: some senior people in the Pentagon who frankly thought that

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Speaker 1: UFOs and the paranormal would demonic, and therefore didn't didn't

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Speaker 1: think what we should be having anything to do with it.

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