WEBVTT - The Dave Pasch Podcast - Richard Jefferson

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals play

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<v Speaker 1>by play announcer Dave Pash. My guest this week is

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<v Speaker 1>longtime NBA player and current NBA broadcaster Richard Jefferson. With

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA season starting this week, thought it was a

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<v Speaker 1>great chance to catch up with Richard, talk about the season,

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<v Speaker 1>talk about his former teammate Lebron James going into year

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one in the NBA. We'll get Richard's thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>the Phoenix Suns, on the Milwaukee Bucks after the Damian

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<v Speaker 1>Lillard trade. We'll talk broadcasting, and we'll also talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Arizona Cardinals and get Richard's advice to a team

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<v Speaker 1>like the Cardinals in a season of transition with a

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<v Speaker 1>new GM, new coach, a lot of new players trying

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<v Speaker 1>to stay positive in order to take that next step

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<v Speaker 1>to become a Super Bowl contender.

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<v Speaker 2>It has to start with you individually and saying it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it doesn't matter, I need to train like we're

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<v Speaker 2>twelve and zero. I need to train like we're zero

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<v Speaker 2>and twelve. The shit be no different. And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>trick as a professional athlete, train like you're getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>for the Super Bowl every single week.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll also share some Bill Walton stories, Richard's best friend

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<v Speaker 1>is Bill's son Luke, and talk about whether Richard considers

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<v Speaker 1>himself a Phoenix guy he grew up here, went to

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<v Speaker 1>Moon Valley High School, or an LA guy where he

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<v Speaker 1>next step. All right, now our conversation with one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best dudes in broadcasting. You're just a great guy,

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<v Speaker 1>fun guy to be around, great personality and obviously was

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<v Speaker 1>a terrific player seventeen years in the NBA and now

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<v Speaker 1>a broadcaster. With ESPN Richard Jefferson. So, Richard, I know

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<v Speaker 1>you don't like to be called r J. Richard. First

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<v Speaker 1>things first, I feel like we are far enough along

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<v Speaker 1>in our professional and personal relationship that I have an

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<v Speaker 1>idea when you're being sarcastic and when you're not being sarcastic,

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<v Speaker 1>how long does it normally take people to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>figure you out.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly who It varies because it's just I live on

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<v Speaker 2>that line, similar to our friend JJ Reddick. I live.

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<v Speaker 2>I live on that line. And then even when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm being sarcastic, I'm kind of like, ah, no, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding. Or sometimes when I'm I'm serious, people

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<v Speaker 2>have a little bit they wait to see being serious.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, it varies. It varies on the subject. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you know when people think, oh, no, no, he's just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I like the pile and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean kidding? I I'm being very serious,

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<v Speaker 2>and then everyone gets confused. So that's what the realm

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<v Speaker 2>might like to live in, with a lot of uncertainty

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<v Speaker 2>in any conversation that I'm involved in.

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<v Speaker 1>How beneficial do you think that was to the many

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<v Speaker 1>NBA teams that you played on having somebody on a

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<v Speaker 1>team that if you needed to lighten the mood you could.

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously you're a good enough player where if you

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<v Speaker 1>had to be serious and go out and ball, you

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<v Speaker 1>would do that too well.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest, Like, it's weird when I'm between those lines,

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't talk trash the other players. I would

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<v Speaker 2>only talk trash to my teammates. So it's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things that I'm a competitor first and a sarcastic

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<v Speaker 2>person second. Sometimes those lines can blur a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But when it's time to win, time to compete, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my fig The only thing I loved more than

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<v Speaker 2>being sarcastic is competing. So there wasn't that much. When

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<v Speaker 2>there was the right time when the coaches would leave,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when the starcasm would come. But you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to undercut a coach with your level of sarcasm, even

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<v Speaker 2>if it is funny.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to get to winning the championship in

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen and talking about the NBA season because obviously it

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<v Speaker 1>starts this week. But you're born in LA. You lived

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<v Speaker 1>in Phoenix, you went to Moon Valley High School, You

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<v Speaker 1>live in LA now, Are you an LA guy or

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<v Speaker 1>a Phoenix guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, see, that's where I think only true West Coasters understand.

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<v Speaker 2>You can when they say you're from the West Coast,

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<v Speaker 2>that means you bounced around the West Coast. And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona's not on the coast, but we all know that

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona is a suburb of California. So no, it's tough,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't I probably claim more Arizona at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, went to University of Arizona, grew

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<v Speaker 2>up there, learned how to play basketball there. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was born in La. My family is all from my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>my dad, my grandmother, all of my cousins live in LA.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's it's tough. I claim I claim Arizona, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't deny my La reaths.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're a Rams fan though, correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, now understand the timing of this as a

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<v Speaker 2>person that I know studies history. When I showed up

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<v Speaker 2>in in Arizona in nineteen eighty eight eighty nine, the

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<v Speaker 2>Cardinals had a streak of about twelve years where they

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<v Speaker 2>were the worst football team in the world, And I

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<v Speaker 2>mean including college and so I you know I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up watching you know, I like John Elway. He was

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite player. Then you had my dad from Philly,

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<v Speaker 2>so I grew up with the Keith Byers, Randall Cunningham,

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<v Speaker 2>Reggie White, Ricky wa like that crew of Philly. That

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<v Speaker 2>that was my dad watching every single Sunday. So I

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<v Speaker 2>like the Eagles. But the minute they got a team

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<v Speaker 2>to LA. I have two little boys now, one named Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 2>one named rich. My whole thing was like, the minute

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<v Speaker 2>we get a team to LA. Now that I'm living here,

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<v Speaker 2>that's our team. Rams were first jumped full bandwagon in

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<v Speaker 2>glad that they're back, and you know, now we're Ram supporters,

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<v Speaker 2>went to the Super Bowl, all that stuff. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really indoctrinating my kids in Ram culture, if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does it take to convert you? Do we

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<v Speaker 1>have to you know, beat the Rams? Do we have

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<v Speaker 1>to sweep the Rams? Do we have to make the playoff?

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<v Speaker 1>Because the Cardinals have made the playoffs, They've been in

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<v Speaker 1>a Super Bowl, They've done all the things the Rams

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<v Speaker 1>did except win the championship, which the Rams did a

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<v Speaker 1>couple years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the thing. I don't hate the Cardinals.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just not a fan of the Cardinals. All my

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<v Speaker 2>friends that I grew up with that are Arizona guys.

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<v Speaker 2>They love the Cardinals. When the Cardinals went to the

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<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl, Channing Fry big Cardinals fan. So when they

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<v Speaker 2>went to the Super Bowl, like I was rooting for

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<v Speaker 2>the Cardinals. I don't dislike the Cardinals. But I also

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<v Speaker 2>as a loyal person myself, I can't not like a

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<v Speaker 2>team for ten years and then all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 2>like okay, they're okay, I'm a fan now. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>how fandom works. And so since I never supported them

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<v Speaker 2>when I showed up in Arizona, I just I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to jump on the bandwagon. So I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>LA will be my team.

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<v Speaker 1>I know the Channing Fry played for the Suns, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know he was a Cardinal fan. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>know he lived in Phoenix before that, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know he was a Cardinal fan. We may have to

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<v Speaker 1>get him on the pod now, cause do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>still have your pod together? And how often do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys do it?

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<v Speaker 2>We do it once a week, We do it pretty consistently.

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<v Speaker 2>We are actually really excited. There's some things that are

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<v Speaker 2>that are cooking up for this upcoming season that I

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<v Speaker 2>think podcast fans are going to be excited about. There's

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<v Speaker 2>some partnerships that we're working on. It will probably be

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<v Speaker 2>announced here in the next week or two. But ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that Channing is going to have anything

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<v Speaker 2>to say about the Cardinals. He is. He's an era

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<v Speaker 2>true Arizona Cardinal fan, So that means like, when they're good,

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<v Speaker 2>he's super super into it. When they are the normal

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona Cardinals, he's just so. So he's not living a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not a.

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<v Speaker 1>Rider dot And it's road tripping podcast, right, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, road Tripping podcast, the original athlete podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, so, no professional athlete, including

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<v Speaker 1>JJ Reddick, had a podcast before Richard Jefferson and Channing

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<v Speaker 1>Fry right, while you guys are currently playing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, we were the first ones to do it

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<v Speaker 2>in season. We were the first ones to do it

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<v Speaker 2>like on a team, like JJ had a podcast. Other

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<v Speaker 2>athletes had podcasts, a lot of them were interview based,

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<v Speaker 2>but we were the first ones that decided like, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we should do this in season. So when you see Draymond,

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<v Speaker 2>when you see Pat Bev, when you see Paul George,

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<v Speaker 2>when you see all of these athletes that are now

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<v Speaker 2>doing it in season and discussing what's going on. We

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<v Speaker 2>were the first one. We recorded on a plane. In between,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we had a game and we had a

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<v Speaker 2>game in Boston and then maybe I don't remember Dallas

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<v Speaker 2>or something, and we lost the nationally televise game in Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're like, hey, let's record a game, let's record

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast on the plane. So we're recording a podcast

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<v Speaker 2>on a plane flying from from one city to the

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<v Speaker 2>next and drop it the next the next morning. And

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<v Speaker 2>to me, I truly believe the excitement that came from

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<v Speaker 2>road tripping, and I think the positivity allowed for athletes

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<v Speaker 2>to feel more comfortable telling their stories.

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<v Speaker 1>And what year was this the first year you guys

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<v Speaker 1>did this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we did it after we won the championship, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we did it, and we did it. I think

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<v Speaker 2>our first one was into January February of the following season.

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<v Speaker 2>We ended up losing in the finals to We end

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<v Speaker 2>up losing in the finals for the Golden Save Warriors

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<v Speaker 2>that year. But yeah, we did it through the whole

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<v Speaker 2>We stopped. We stopped during the finals. We did it

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit during the postseason. We stopped during the finals,

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<v Speaker 2>as to not have any any conversation about distraction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so twenty sixteen, you win the championship. You're part

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<v Speaker 1>of a great team, the greatest team in probably Cleveland

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<v Speaker 1>sports history. The Cardinals played the Browns next week, and

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<v Speaker 1>given what the Warriors had accomplished that year, the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>regular season team maybe ever, right, at least based on record.

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<v Speaker 1>How gratifying was that for you? Given also, Richard, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you played seventeen years, You had already been in the

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<v Speaker 1>league for almost fifteen when you guys won it in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen. To be part of that team with great

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<v Speaker 1>players like Lebron James, and obviously you had Kevin Love

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<v Speaker 1>and Kyrie Irving and yourself and a lot of good

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<v Speaker 1>role players, how gratifying was that title for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, I think both of us are sports historians,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I don't like to make it claim.

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<v Speaker 2>I just lated to say that I believe that that

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<v Speaker 2>was I think if you were appointed to two championships,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you would look at the seventy two win

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<v Speaker 2>Bulls because they had a perfect season, they broke the record,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they won a championship. I think for us,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they had the most perfect season of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think for us, I think it was the

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<v Speaker 2>best championship ever won. You know, we don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>go all miracle, you know, on ice, we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to go do that, but the fact that we were

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<v Speaker 2>playing against the two time defending champion, or the two

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<v Speaker 2>time defending MVP, the first unanimous MVP, the regular season champ,

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<v Speaker 2>I think going through that and then to do it

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<v Speaker 2>in the manner in which we did, being down three

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<v Speaker 2>one and being the first team to ever do it,

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you when you tally all of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that that came about from that series, I beg

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<v Speaker 2>someone to give me a better NBA Finals championship.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that, you know, the Draymond Green kick,

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<v Speaker 1>he was suspended for a game, But I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that takes away at all from what you guys did.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there's some people that feel that it does,

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<v Speaker 1>but you guys won that championship No.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred and make no mistake, like Kevin Love didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get to play in two of those games, right like

0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.199
<v Speaker 2>we make it seem like. And again I know Kevin Love,

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<v Speaker 2>that might not have been the best series like matchup

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<v Speaker 2>wise for him, but the fact that that he missed actually,

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<v Speaker 2>excuse me, he missed game three. Uh, he missed Game

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<v Speaker 2>three and then came off the bench in game four.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we had a potential future Hall of Famer,

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<v Speaker 2>a starter who you know, he was an All Star

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<v Speaker 2>that year. So we had an all star miss a

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<v Speaker 2>game because of the concussion protocol. So, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>the thing, you know, you as a football guy, anytime

0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:05.520
<v Speaker 2>a kicker misses a kick, you go it doesn't come

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<v Speaker 2>down to that one play. It doesn't come down to

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<v Speaker 2>that one play. They were turnovers, there was this, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we would have liked to have that, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>stand by that that doesn't come like the whole championship

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't come doesn't come down to Draymond missing one game. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>You can say momentum, you can say this, but that

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<v Speaker 2>was a seventy three win team that all the things

0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.280
<v Speaker 2>that those guys had accomplished and defending champions. So to

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<v Speaker 2>be up three to one, lose Draymond for a game,

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<v Speaker 2>now you're up three to two. So now you got

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<v Speaker 2>two more chances to win one. And they hadn't lost

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<v Speaker 2>three games in a row maybe and I think it

0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.360
<v Speaker 2>was close to two years. So for me, it's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>was that a part of the storyline. Yes, but don't

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<v Speaker 2>forget if you go back Draymond, you know, having the

0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.320
<v Speaker 2>incidents that he had in round one, having the incidents

0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.080
<v Speaker 2>that he had in the conference finals. When you get

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<v Speaker 2>suspended for those things, one, typically there's a conversation with

0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.240
<v Speaker 2>the commissioner before you get to that spot, which there

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<v Speaker 2>was after the Steven Adams situation. There was a conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when it happens again at that point in time,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a cumulative thing. So you making that mistake, then

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<v Speaker 2>it really goes back to first round, second round, third round,

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<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, you're in a spot

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<v Speaker 2>and for a team that was the defending champion. If

0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.079
<v Speaker 2>you don't have that in your brain. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>watch my flavorance, I got to watch my technicals because

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<v Speaker 2>it's April seventeen and I'm trying to play till June twentieth.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are the things that I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people want to discuss Raymond, and I will not sit

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<v Speaker 2>up here and say Draymond missing that one game didn't

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<v Speaker 2>give us a little bit of a boost, but to

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<v Speaker 2>say that that was a deciding factor when he played

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<v Speaker 2>two more games after that and was probably well, he

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<v Speaker 2>was the best player probably on the floor if you

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<v Speaker 2>go look at that game seven. So like when you

0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.679
<v Speaker 2>look at game seven and Draymond has that first half

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<v Speaker 2>and knocking down three, there's a high probability he would

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<v Speaker 2>have been Finals MVP if it wasn't for if they

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<v Speaker 2>would have won the So I think some people get

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<v Speaker 2>lost in the off. They focus on that and make

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<v Speaker 2>it seem like Draymond never recovered or their team never recovered,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was a deciding factor.

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<v Speaker 1>So, your former teammate and close friend, Lebron James is

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<v Speaker 1>in year twenty one. What he's doing is amazing. There's

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<v Speaker 1>only a handful of guys that have made it this far,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one has ever played at his age, with

0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.360
<v Speaker 1>his mileage, all the games, all the playoff games, the

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<v Speaker 1>Team USA games, no one has played at the level

0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.560
<v Speaker 1>he's playing in the history of basketball at this age.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, is there something about Lebron James that

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<v Speaker 1>the public doesn't know? He is pretty, he's out there

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<v Speaker 1>and he's doing a lot of different things. He's very

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<v Speaker 1>vocal on social media, does a lot of commercials, does movies.

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<v Speaker 1>But is there something about his personality or just him

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<v Speaker 1>as a teammate that people should know that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>know about him.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, okay, so I think that there are things

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<v Speaker 2>that people know. I'll give you my perception of things

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<v Speaker 2>I think with him. I think he's a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable with his teammates than people probably understand. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>very emotional person. We've seen that with his reactions on

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<v Speaker 2>the court. I'm a very expressive person, and so Lebron,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just like a lot of teammates, he could

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<v Speaker 2>have like I'll never forget he you know, we had

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<v Speaker 2>a game and maybe we lost, and we were all

0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of arguing, and then you know, we all go

0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.960
<v Speaker 2>meet up at dinner that night and he comes, you, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>my bad. I'm sorry, man, I know I've got frustrated.

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize, and it's like the best player in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the best player ever, is sitting here apologizing the

0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.560
<v Speaker 2>channing and I because he got a little frustrated, and

0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.200
<v Speaker 2>we're like, bro, we get it. Everything's going to be

0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.160
<v Speaker 2>your fault. Everything is either you like the positive view

0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.680
<v Speaker 2>negative view. So I understand why that is an extreme

0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.680
<v Speaker 2>amount of pressure. So for you to get frustrated one day,

0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:01.040
<v Speaker 2>don't ever apologize as long as it's within the place,

0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.880
<v Speaker 2>as long as it's within the framework of like competitiveness,

0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.960
<v Speaker 2>which he never does. He never leaves the respectful competitive side.

0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.640
<v Speaker 2>That is something that we have never seen from Lebron

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<v Speaker 2>from high school to college. Yeah, he's a competitor, but

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<v Speaker 2>you never see it, see it leave the respectful side,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, And that doesn't mean things don't happen,

0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.040
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean trash doesn't talk. But I think I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think people understand how much he truly cares about his teammates.

0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he truly people understand how much he's

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<v Speaker 2>invested in them on the court, off the court. Like

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<v Speaker 2>when me and Channing launched the podcast, he had been

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<v Speaker 2>he came on it four or five times now without

0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.000
<v Speaker 2>him coming on. He knows his value, he knows what

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<v Speaker 2>he does. And so those are the things that you're like, hey,

0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.920
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you doing this because you don't have to,

0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.360
<v Speaker 2>because a lot of guys in those positions are often

0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.840
<v Speaker 2>just tried to people try and get things from them,

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<v Speaker 2>Like when was the last time he saw Michael Jordan

0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:55.800
<v Speaker 2>sit on a podcast? Like these guys typically shy away

0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:00.640
<v Speaker 2>from some of the requests that come to them, But ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he cares about people. He cares about his family,

0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.240
<v Speaker 2>and he cares about his teammates on a level that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people fully understand. You want to be

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<v Speaker 2>critical of Michael Jordan versus versus lebron you want to

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<v Speaker 2>do all of that stuff, fine, at the end of

0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.760
<v Speaker 2>the day, you know, you ask anybody that really deals

0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.879
<v Speaker 2>with him at their core, and you're like, this man

0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.520
<v Speaker 2>just cares the game, the respect, the family, the teammates like,

0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.639
<v Speaker 2>he does care about those things at a level that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think people understand.

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<v Speaker 1>So rich what should we honestly expect from him in

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<v Speaker 1>the year twenty one, He's had injuries that he's played through.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the injury that he had last year, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of guys are sitting out and not playing. He

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<v Speaker 1>played through it. He's already got Kareem's record, He's the

0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:46.040
<v Speaker 1>all time leading scorer. I know he wants to play

0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.439
<v Speaker 1>in the league when Bronni's in the league. Bronni's at

0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:51.520
<v Speaker 1>USC We don't know yet whether Bronni's going to play

0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:56.360
<v Speaker 1>after the unfortunate, scary incident that happened a couple months ago.

0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:58.480
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like Bronni's okay, you would know more about

0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.760
<v Speaker 1>that than me. But and I'm gonna have a lot

0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:02.760
<v Speaker 1>of USC games, and I certainly hope that he's playing

0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.680
<v Speaker 1>because that means that he's healthy and doing well. What

0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.120
<v Speaker 1>should we realistically expect from Lebron and the Lakers here

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<v Speaker 1>in your twenty one for James.

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<v Speaker 2>Well like what we should expect and what I hope happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope this is the year where he becomes the

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<v Speaker 2>second best player on the team. He'll still always be

0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:25.720
<v Speaker 2>the most important player in my opinion, and he left

0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.800
<v Speaker 2>the ratings say that, as you know, we work in

0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.080
<v Speaker 2>this in this industry, the ratings say he is the

0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:32.600
<v Speaker 2>most important player in the NBA. That's what just the

0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.760
<v Speaker 2>ratings say. I still believe he's the most important. But

0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I think for him to win in that championship, Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Davis has to ascend to really what Anthony Davis was

0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:45.320
<v Speaker 2>looking like over the postseason. Anthony Davis. If he extends

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<v Speaker 2>to being the best player on the team and Lebron's

0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.359
<v Speaker 2>just the most important, I think that takes pressure off him.

0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.320
<v Speaker 2>He needs to find and I know this might sound crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>He needs to find his Magic Johnson and allow him

0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.440
<v Speaker 2>to be Kareem, if that makes sense. Kareem at the

0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.879
<v Speaker 2>end of his career was able to prolong his career

0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.879
<v Speaker 2>because he had a little bit of the pressure taking

0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.960
<v Speaker 2>off in him and Magic wanted that pressure. Magic owned

0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.680
<v Speaker 2>that pressure and said, I got this. Do I know

0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:13.880
<v Speaker 2>if Anthony Davis is that guy? I hope. I think

0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.240
<v Speaker 2>he has the talent and the ability. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>in year twenty, I think you could compare it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm not sure. I think Kareem won a championship

0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.320
<v Speaker 2>in eighteen nineteen was our eighteen nineteen was his last

0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.560
<v Speaker 2>year winning a championship. I think, to me, that's kind

0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.000
<v Speaker 2>of the formula. If you look at it. Kareem was

0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.800
<v Speaker 2>still great, But to say we need you to be

0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:37.600
<v Speaker 2>dominant for eighty two and through a postseason run, that's

0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.879
<v Speaker 2>not realistic. Same with Tim Duncan winning championships later in

0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.120
<v Speaker 2>his career. Say what you won. He wasn't the best

0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.320
<v Speaker 2>player on his team, but he was by far the

0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.960
<v Speaker 2>most important player on that San Antonio team. But he

0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.320
<v Speaker 2>had other guys around him that were raising their levels. Kawhi,

0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Danny Green, Tony Manu. All of those guys were a

0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.920
<v Speaker 2>little bit older, but Kawhi raised his level and took

0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.520
<v Speaker 2>so much pressure off him and allowed him just to

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<v Speaker 2>be that important cog.

0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.359
<v Speaker 1>I did Game six of the Phoenix Denvers series last year,

0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.159
<v Speaker 1>that just disastrous loss at home for the Suns in

0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the playoffs, and I had a former coach tell me

0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:15.720
<v Speaker 1>that there they were a little concerned watching Kevin Durant,

0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.200
<v Speaker 1>that you know, maybe he had lost a step because

0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.080
<v Speaker 1>of all the injuries that they're starting to catch up

0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.160
<v Speaker 1>to him. And you know, he's been in the league

0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:26.040
<v Speaker 1>since he was eighteen nineteen years old. Obviously, this is

0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.560
<v Speaker 1>a big year with Beale coming over, they make the

0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.159
<v Speaker 1>eight and trade, they bring in their Kich. Do you

0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.360
<v Speaker 1>see the Suns as a team to beat, the team

0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.720
<v Speaker 1>to beat or are you concerned at all with either

0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:41.040
<v Speaker 1>the makeup of the team or all the damage that

0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Durant has had to endure physically over the years.

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.680
<v Speaker 2>I look, I think I think Durant has shown us like, yeah,

0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.960
<v Speaker 2>guys are going to sprain their ankles. Guys you know,

0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 2>obviously had the Achilles injury, and then the following year

0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.399
<v Speaker 2>or so he was primarily healthy. Now he's had some injuries,

0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 2>and when players like that get old, Instead of hey,

0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.199
<v Speaker 2>you can come back in seven games, We're probably going

0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:05.119
<v Speaker 2>to keep you out for ten because we want you

0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.280
<v Speaker 2>to be fully healthy. But I think I think Kevin

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Durantz is entering into that space of his career where, yes,

0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:13.760
<v Speaker 2>he can be the best player for eighty two games,

0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:15.280
<v Speaker 2>which you really want him to be, is the best

0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:19.160
<v Speaker 2>player for about sixty five sixty games, and then allow

0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.280
<v Speaker 2>him to play that high level basketball going into the postseason.

0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Once you get about thirty four thirty five, you better

0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:29.600
<v Speaker 2>have some help. And that's including Jordan, right, that's including Jordan.

0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Even if you look at Larry Byrd and some of

0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:33.520
<v Speaker 2>the things that he was accomplished the roster that he

0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.119
<v Speaker 2>had around him, but Michael Jordan had, you know, without

0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Michael Jordan, those like the Bulls still went to the

0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.880
<v Speaker 2>conference finals without Michael Jordan that year that he was gone.

0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:44.920
<v Speaker 2>So it's like when Jordan comes back and he's the

0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:46.600
<v Speaker 2>best player in the world, one of it, you know,

0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:48.960
<v Speaker 2>if not the greatest player of all time. When he

0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.360
<v Speaker 2>enters it's like he's got Scotty Pippen, He's got Tony Kukoach,

0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:54.480
<v Speaker 2>he's got Dennis, Robin and stee Like he's got a

0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.200
<v Speaker 2>loaded roster that he steps in and leads them to

0:21:58.359 --> 0:22:01.280
<v Speaker 2>another level. And I think that you have to have

0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.360
<v Speaker 2>a roster around you. And I think Phoenix has done

0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:05.920
<v Speaker 2>a good job. Devin Booker's young, he should be eating

0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:08.520
<v Speaker 2>up a ton of minutes and usage rate. I think

0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Bradley Beal is still in the middle middle of his

0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.800
<v Speaker 2>prime in my opinion, even though he's in his thirties.

0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.359
<v Speaker 2>I think those guys need to do the majority of

0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:20.199
<v Speaker 2>the weight and then let Kevin Durant pick his spots.

0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:22.440
<v Speaker 2>If you want to go win a championship, you know

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:25.399
<v Speaker 2>that to me. And the last thing I'll say about this,

0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:28.719
<v Speaker 2>we talked about it on NBA to Day. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these teams win their championship in their second year together.

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<v Speaker 2>The Lakers won their championship with Kyle Gassol in their

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<v Speaker 2>second year together, lost in the finals after the Trade

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.480
<v Speaker 2>won it. The Miami Heat lost in the conference finals

0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 2>when they got shocked. The next year they won the championship. Obviously,

0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Lebron has won three championships in his new When he

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<v Speaker 2>arrived in places, he won championship in the second year

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<v Speaker 2>in Miami Championship, the second year in Cleveland Championship, the

0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:56.879
<v Speaker 2>second year in Lakers. A lot of times when you

0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:00.400
<v Speaker 2>enter into these things, it can take a year. Maybe

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:02.840
<v Speaker 2>you got to go get one or two minimum contracts

0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:04.920
<v Speaker 2>our vets that say hey, I want to go there.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think the Suns can win it this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they will be very good this year. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you ask me which version of the sun being

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent healthy will be better this year's team

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 2>or next year's team. When they've had Frank Bogo for

0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.399
<v Speaker 2>a full year, they're not teaching systems to those guys.

0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.280
<v Speaker 2>When when Bradley Beal and Devin Booker are now been

0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:26.240
<v Speaker 2>on a team for a full year and Kevin Durant.

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, we all look at it, Oh, it's

0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:31.440
<v Speaker 2>win or you know winner is the bus that we

0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.200
<v Speaker 2>know that that's BS. So when I look at these teams,

0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I look at it from a space of oh, this year,

0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:39.359
<v Speaker 2>they'll be very good. Next year if healthy have a

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.680
<v Speaker 2>chance to be great, that's the timetable because history has

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:43.280
<v Speaker 2>shown us that.

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<v Speaker 1>Good use of BS. I mean, if this was JJ's pod,

0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:50.160
<v Speaker 1>you guys would be drinking champagne and dropping f bomb.

0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:52.480
<v Speaker 1>So at least you know that you're on a clean

0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 1>NFL sponsored podcast here.

0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:56.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and JJ was supposed to edit that stuff out. Man,

0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I think he's you know, I think he's setting me up.

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.159
<v Speaker 1>He must have still been drinking the champagne during the

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:06.440
<v Speaker 1>editing process, most likely. I know you've talked about this

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:08.440
<v Speaker 1>ad nauseum, and I want to get into your career

0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.560
<v Speaker 1>because I'm just it's been so much fun to watch

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 1>and and you know, call games with you and just

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of see your growth and maturation to becoming I

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.200
<v Speaker 1>think you know, one of the best analysts in basketball

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:20.639
<v Speaker 1>and I can't wait to see what's next for you.

0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>But I want to you know, Damian Lillard, I'm sure

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 1>you guys again on NBA today have talked about this

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 1>over and over and over again. You're probably talking tired

0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.120
<v Speaker 1>of talking about it. But Damian Lillard, who by the way,

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 1>still has to a fess up on a bet that

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 1>he had on this podcast. He has not Warren the

0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Kyler Murray Jersey that the Cardinals sent him into into

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>the building. Yet he needs to do that for the

0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:45.359
<v Speaker 1>bet that he lost against the Cardinals. When the Cardinals

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 1>beat the Raiders, last year. But that's besides the point.

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not holding a grudge or anything, but the trade

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 1>to Milwaukee, does that put the Bucks as the team

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:55.920
<v Speaker 1>to beat in the East or is it Boston with

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Porzingis and Drew Holliday being added to that mix.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I would say that's one of the caveats that

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.439
<v Speaker 2>you see with these kind of championship teams brought together.

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you remember the Boston Celtics when they all

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:11.879
<v Speaker 2>got together that first year they won the championship. But

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I think one of the unexpected things that year was

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 2>the emergence of Rondo, who is this caught guard. There's

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.119
<v Speaker 2>ultimately going to be one of the best guards in

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:23.200
<v Speaker 2>the league for a decade. So when you talk about

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 2>bringing it all together, when I look at the Milwaukee Bucks,

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 2>they got a brand new coach and Griff who agent Griffin,

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:30.159
<v Speaker 2>who I know very well. I think he's going to

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:32.400
<v Speaker 2>do a good job. I think the Terry Stotts situation,

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:34.920
<v Speaker 2>to me, that doesn't help because a lot of times

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:36.920
<v Speaker 2>when you get first year head coaches, you bring in

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 2>a former head coach to kind of like just like, hey,

0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 2>this is the best way. Here's some advice, like this

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 2>is your team. But I'm just here as like an

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 2>elderly guidance individual, and so you know that to me

0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:51.680
<v Speaker 2>is a little curious about how that's going to work out.

0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.879
<v Speaker 2>But I stand by, Can the Bucks win the championship

0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 2>this year? Yes? If they stay healthy and all the things,

0:25:57.920 --> 0:25:59.959
<v Speaker 2>I think next year they will be the best vers

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.400
<v Speaker 2>another shell. Now instead of thinking, hey, because you see

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 2>this a lot of times going oh hey, I was

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 2>gonna cut back door. Okay, hey, well look this is

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 2>what those conversations now start to be more intuitive, where

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 2>you know what your team is thinking. We'll keep doing

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 2>football references like when you see Patrick Mahomes and Kelsey,

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 2>these things are not all drawn up plays. When he

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.480
<v Speaker 2>go gets all these receptions and he does it, it's

0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 2>not drawn up. These guys have just been in the

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:28.120
<v Speaker 2>league together. They understand when his teammate is though he's

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 2>looking for one guy. And that's where I think that

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 2>intuitiveness and you start to know what your teammate is thinking.

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.280
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't come in six months, that doesn't come in

0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.720
<v Speaker 2>a year, that comes over a long period of time.

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 2>So can the Bucks win it? Yes, there should be

0:26:43.400 --> 0:26:45.159
<v Speaker 2>one of those five teams. But when you have all

0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 2>of this roster change, especially on top teams. I'll include

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the Lakers in that. I think Denver is pretty much silid.

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:55.480
<v Speaker 2>That's why they're my early pick to repeat if Denver.

0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 2>You look at the changes in Boston, No Marcus Smart,

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.199
<v Speaker 2>but you added Drew and now you've got Brazingis has

0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.479
<v Speaker 2>never made a playoff run. Brazingis has to go all

0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 2>eighty two and then go another twenty to get to

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 2>the championship. So when I look at this, there's a

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>handful of teams that have a ton of new changeovers

0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 2>and it's just a matter of like who can clean

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 2>this up and get to their continuity factors.

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I teased a moment ago your rapid rise and ascension

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 1>in this business, and it's been great to watch, whether

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:29.160
<v Speaker 1>it's hosting the podcast, hosting NBA Today, which you've done

0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>and then also obviously being a regular panelist as a

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.640
<v Speaker 1>basketball expert on that show, or Get Up or first

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 1>Take calling games for either ESPN or the Nets. What

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:42.400
<v Speaker 1>do you enjoy most?

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's tough, man. I think one. Let me give

0:27:47.600 --> 0:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>a shout out to you, Dave. You have look if

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 2>you can sit down with Bill Walton as much as

0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 2>you have. You can sit down with any analyst. But

0:27:55.920 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 2>I've learned so much from you and for people listening

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 2>to this, like a lot of analysts don't get their

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.680
<v Speaker 2>flowers or their play by play don't get their flowers.

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 2>But all the players that retire and get into this industry,

0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 2>you know this. There's not a lot of teaching that

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:18.040
<v Speaker 2>goes on at let's say the networks. It's a little

0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>bit of a sink or swim. It's a little bit

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>of a how hard are you going to work? But

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>as an analyst, we depend on guys like you and

0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>you're like, hey, that was a good job, or hey,

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 2>do more of that. So I've learned so much from

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 2>sitting next to you. So I am a product of

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 2>sitting next to guys like you and Iron Eagle, Ryan

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Ruco Breen. I'm a product of that because when you

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 2>guys see my passion and my love for the game,

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:43.959
<v Speaker 2>and you guys bring me under your wing and you're like, hey,

0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 2>this is good, Hey when you do this, this is

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 2>the best way. Hey, good job going to break and

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 2>reading the all of those things. I think it really

0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 2>takes a community to get guys in this space and

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.040
<v Speaker 2>We've seen it. We saw Jason Witten try and leave

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.200
<v Speaker 2>football and go right back to the BO. Not everybody

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 2>has that move transition. So to have an individual like

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 2>you that I can call a friend, an individual like

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 2>you that you know we'll sit and you're like, hey,

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to do my picks, and I'm like, hey,

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 2>let's sit and talk. Let's sit and talk through your

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 2>picks for MVP and this like I'd love to. So

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 2>I just owe so much to you and a lot

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 2>of your a lot of your colleague for helping guys

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:24.719
<v Speaker 2>like me get to where I am.

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, you're very kind. I appreciate that, but you're a

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 1>willing participant. I mean a lot of guys just think,

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, they don't take it seriously. I've seen it

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>where guys just jump in. They are doing it because

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>they want to stay in the game, but they don't

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>really care. You care, and you know, JJ is the

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>same way. I just worked with Bob Myers last week,

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 1>former GM of the Warriors, first time doing a game,

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.440
<v Speaker 1>although he did some color for UCLA twenty years ago

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 1>on radio. But like Bob is asking all these questions

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>about kind of the mechanics and everything and it's it's great.

0:29:57.880 --> 0:30:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, ESPN's did a good job by Denny to

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>find guys like yourself that that want to be good

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>and care and want to improve and want to be coached.

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.680
<v Speaker 1>But you've been. You've been coached coached your whole life.

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 1>And look, you and I have done a lot of

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>NBA games today together, but I think my favorite game

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 1>I've done with you was the game that you Bill

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Walton and I did maybe five years ago, UCLA Arizona.

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Obviously you played at Arizona, Luke. Walton's one of your

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 1>best friends. You play and Bill played at UCLA, and

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:31.040
<v Speaker 1>you brought up Bill, So let's let's go there. First

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>time you met Bill? What do you recall?

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll give you two so again, like, I'm a

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.360
<v Speaker 2>basketball nerd, so I'm with Bill Walton's son. That's that's

0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 2>what his nickname was. They were like Bill Walton Son Luke.

0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Every article, like our our senior year in high school

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 2>and moving, you know, probably probably our freshman sophomore year

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 2>in college. It was Bill Walton Son Luke. That's all

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.280
<v Speaker 2>how he was always introduced, and so you know, I

0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 2>know who he is, and I'm just like, dude, like

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Bill Walton his dad. So the very first time where

0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 2>we have the answering machines back in our dorm, back

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 2>in ninety eight. Yes, I'm dating myself and I get

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 2>a phone call. Are there's a message and he pushed

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 2>the button and it's and it's Bill Walton. So I'm

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>like freaking out. Luke's unpacking doesn't give a damn. And

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh my god, Bill Walton is on my

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 2>phone and he's like, Luke, this is Bill Walton calling

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 2>lude Olsen called me and said that there were some

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 2>forms that needed to be sent to our house. Can

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 2>you send them to blank blank blank you know the address?

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>You know blank blank blank blank blank blank And he

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 2>says that he goes, I repeat, the address is blank

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 2>blank blank blank blank blank, and I go and I'm

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 2>a little kepus. Now I'm like, Luke, like did your

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 2>family just move or something like does your dad leave

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 2>the address that like an office? And he's like he

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 2>looked at me and put his head down and he goes, Richard,

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 2>my parents are hippies. I was born in that downstairs

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 2>bedroom at that house. And anytime he calls, he will

0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 2>leave the address twice and I'm like, Okay, that's weird.

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:01.080
<v Speaker 2>So this was my first introduction. Now as forward about

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>three months, right, we're sitting on the We're on a plane.

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I think we're leaving La to go back to Tucson,

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, the stewardess walks up. Stewart

0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 2>walks up, and they're like, hey, your father is outside

0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 2>to Luke, and like the whole team is on the plane,

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>like and with this one, we didn't fly commercial. We

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 2>would are we flew We didn't fly privately, flew commercial.

0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 2>So Luke looks at me. He's like, hey, you want

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:25.560
<v Speaker 2>to meet Bill? And I'm like, damn right, I do.

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>So me and him both get off the plane. So

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>we're off the plane and we're talking to Bill. I

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.840
<v Speaker 2>get to meet Bill and got to meet Laurie. Laurie's amazing.

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:34.840
<v Speaker 2>So I'm talking to Bill and I keep looking at

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the gate. I keep looking at the gate like should

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 2>we go? But the plane was about to take off,

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and Bill was like, Richard, calm down, do you see

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:47.880
<v Speaker 2>those two individuals? The plane is not leaving until we're done.

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sitting here like mind blown. As an eighteen

0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>year old kid, I'm like, wait, this dude can hold

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>up a damn plane. For I was so confused and

0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 2>like for you know that Bill lives and lives in

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 2>a realm and in a reality that is unlike anything

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 2>that you can even really express the people, and so

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.920
<v Speaker 2>from that point on it was just you know, it's

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Bill's world and we're all just living in it, as

0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 1>And he got you guys in trouble with the nc DOUBLEA.

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he got me suspended because Bill being like he is,

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Bill's one of my mentors. He's such a good person,

0:33:22.760 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 2>and I was living in Arizona. He's got three other

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 2>sons outside of Luke, all within the same range and

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 2>all played college basketball. So you know, he reached out.

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Was like, hey, Luke calls me. He's like, Bill wants

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 2>you to come out and hang out. So I'm like, yeah,

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>I'll leave my Glendale, Arizona hot box that I'm living

0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.440
<v Speaker 2>in and I'll fly out to San Diego and hang

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>out with you guys, and I'll tell you that first trip,

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 2>just spending time, and he got us a ticket to

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>the to the NBA Finals because he was doing the game.

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 2>That was my second NBA game i'd ever been to NCBA,

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 2>finds out about it, and I get suspended, which is

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 2>a little weird. I didn't understand how that works. But

0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll say this. Bill took me to the airport on

0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>that and he gave me this advice. And I remember

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 2>when all of the boys were like, hey, Bill's taking

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 2>to the airport. I'm like, what does that mean. I'm

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 2>still nervous of this dude. So he takes me by Richard,

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've been watching you, and I feel like

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 2>you have a great opportunity to really change you in

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>your family's life. But I want you to remember this.

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 2>The worst thing that you can do for people that

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>you love are things that they could and should do

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:31.320
<v Speaker 2>for themselves. Now repeat it back to me at eighteen

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:33.440
<v Speaker 2>years old, and like, look fast forward. I go into

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 2>the NBA, and I do all this stuff, and I'm

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 2>helping my family. I'm doing all this stuff, and then

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.240
<v Speaker 2>at about thirty when you know, there were some mistakes

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden you realize it's like, wait

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>a second, now I understand what that man was trying

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:48.279
<v Speaker 2>to tell me. And it was because he had been

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>through everything that I had already been through. So the

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 2>fact that he would just give this wisdom some sometimes,

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, unannounced and unasked. It meant a lot to me,

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, And I think I I've grown closer to

0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 2>him as I've understood more of his mentality in the

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 2>space that he was coming from, really just trying to

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 2>help young kids navigate what was coming. And I didn't

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.799
<v Speaker 2>realize it at the time, but I still stand by

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 2>that that that's a message now I give to people constantly,

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 2>and it's because I heard it from him. At eighteen,

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand it, but at thirty, I damned sure

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 2>understood it. So I just try and embark that same

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 2>message to young players when I talked to him.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 1>A couple more and we'll let you go, Richard, true

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:33.839
<v Speaker 1>or false? At Luke's wedding where I think you were

0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the best man, Bill not only didn't wear a tux,

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.760
<v Speaker 1>but he wore a golf shirt with the NBA logo,

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 1>very similar to what Rob Low. You know, there's the

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Rob Low meme with him wearing the NFL hat with

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the NFL logo. Is that true that Bill wore just

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>a golf shirt with the NBA logo on it to

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 1>the wedding?

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Okay, So let me really quickly break it down

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 2>to your listeners. Dave is such a master as you know,

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 2>it's such a massive brought caster or interviewer. He can

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 2>do it all.

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:02.239
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Damn well, that's true, Dave.

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, I know I've seen the picture. I've seen

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 1>the picture.

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 2>You've seen the picture. But you're asking me if that's true,

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 2>as if I couldn't interview you about ten stories with Bill? Right,

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like Bill ran a hippie commune in San Diego.

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Fast forward, you know, we're doing that game for people

0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 2>that don't know I'm doing the game. Bill is there

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 2>and Dave is in between us, and Bill is talking

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>about how Richard used to sleep on my couch. Then

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>fast forward in that game, Sean Miller, Sean Miller, form

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Arizona coach, gets kicked out of the UCLA Arizona game.

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.799
<v Speaker 2>So taking over for Sean Miller after he gets run

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 2>is Jack Murphy. So Jack Murphy was a manager when

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 2>me and Luke and Iggy and all of us were

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 2>at Arizona. So now he's you know, he's the top

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.840
<v Speaker 2>assistant coach at Arizona under Sean. So in the middle

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:53.839
<v Speaker 2>of the game, Seawn gets thrown out, and then Jack

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 2>Murphy takes over and Bill goes Jack Murphy. I loved him,

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 2>but he used to sleep on my couch also, And

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>you're like, how many people used to sleep on this

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:07.759
<v Speaker 2>man's couch? I can list a lot. JB. Bickerstaffs, you know,

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers. I met JB.

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:12.400
<v Speaker 2>When we were twenty one years old, and so we

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.360
<v Speaker 2>would all hang out together. So it was just he

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 2>he was such a unique individual. So the fact that

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 2>you have worked with that man for years and you're

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 2>asking me questions about how unique he is, I think

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:26.240
<v Speaker 2>you need to tell some more stories.

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I know, but this is a podcast where we interview

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 1>superstar celebrities like yourself, and so yes, I could sit

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 1>here for hours and tell Bill stories. But I actually

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:40.920
<v Speaker 1>don't think you told this to me. I know the story,

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>our fans probably listeners don't know the story at all.

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 1>But okay, So you're in the NBA, you're making ten

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>plus million a year, you're living at Bill's house, sleeping,

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 1>You're living at Bill Walton's house, and how did you

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 1>and you got kicked out? Who kicked you out? And why?

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay? So okay, yes, I was making a good amount

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 2>of money. I was very, very fortunate. But this is

0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.400
<v Speaker 2>what it was. At seventeen years old. We would like

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.160
<v Speaker 2>we would go out and stay at Bill's house. Bill

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 2>has a huge house. You've been there. There's the boy

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>side and there's Bill side. Well, the boy side has

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 2>the pool, the hot tub, so we could have all

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.359
<v Speaker 2>the fun that we wanted and Bill would never see

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 2>it as long as we were up and out of

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>there by five am, six am when he would take

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 2>his morning naked hot tub.

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:32.359
<v Speaker 1>Wait, hold on, hold on, And that is first of all,

0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the side of the house that has like multiple huts

0:38:35.400 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 1>and outdoor showers in the pool where Bill would take

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the naked bath in the morning. Right, that's the boy's side.

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, that's the boy side over there. So our

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>goal was to be out of the party zone by

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.239
<v Speaker 2>four or five in the morning. Again, we don't need

0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to get into details of that, but I will say

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 2>this it was that. So after I got drafted, it

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 2>was still Luke was still in college, so it was like, hey,

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.279
<v Speaker 2>we go stay at Bill. There's beds all there, beds

0:39:00.320 --> 0:39:02.359
<v Speaker 2>in the living room, there's beds in the garden, there's

0:39:02.400 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 2>beds spread out. There's the TP life sized TPE with

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 2>a bed. So it was just like, dude, what am

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 2>I going to pay for? I'm just going to sleep

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 2>here on the bed and we hang out, we work out,

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 2>we you know, kick it. So for it was like

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the then we got older and then all of a sudden,

0:39:18.040 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 2>we weren't eighteen and nineteen year old kids. Now we're

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 2>twenty three year old kids. And Luke is in the

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>NBA and I'm in the NBA. But now we have

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 2>more disposable money. But look, so we're just doing we're

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 2>doing too much, if you will, and basically using his

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>house as like our fun party pad during the summer.

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 2>So Bill, Bill brings me and rich are, me and

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Luke into his office and are like, Richard, you guys

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:42.880
<v Speaker 2>are strewing my home. What is going on? Richard? Why

0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 2>don't you go to your parents' house and ruin it?

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 2>And like me and Luke like he literally chastises me

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:50.920
<v Speaker 2>like I'm his son and I and I respect him

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.239
<v Speaker 2>and love him for it. So we got kicked out

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 2>of his house. And after we got kicked out of

0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 2>his house enough times, because there wasn't one time one time,

0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Bill saw us at like six in the morning about

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 2>to go to bed, and me and Luke just got

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 2>in his car and just drove straight to la where like,

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:06.879
<v Speaker 2>we don't want to see Bill at noon and him

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 2>harassing us, yelling at us. So it was more of

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 2>After we did that, Luke and I bought a home

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.479
<v Speaker 2>in Rancho Santa Fe, and then that's where we started

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 2>hanging out with our friends and we would train with

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:19.759
<v Speaker 2>different guys that would come down. But yes, I've been

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:21.800
<v Speaker 2>kicked out of that home multiple times.

0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:24.839
<v Speaker 1>He blamed it on Laurie, his wife, Bill did. He says,

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:26.560
<v Speaker 1>it's Laurie's It was Laurie's call.

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 2>See, Laurie is entitled to all of that, and Laurie

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>with one hundred percent right to take it out of

0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:37.359
<v Speaker 2>our hundred I'm surprised that we lasted as long as

0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 2>we did. That shows you how graceful and loving they both.

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Laurie's amazing. Bill always says she's still here, you know,

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.040
<v Speaker 1>as if like she's going to leave, But what would

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:51.320
<v Speaker 1>he do without her? All right, last one and somewhat serious.

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:54.200
<v Speaker 1>So I'm just curious that there are some Cardinal players

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:58.760
<v Speaker 1>who do actually listen to this podcast. Buddha Baker listens

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:02.319
<v Speaker 1>to the pod and multiple Pro Bowls. So you've got

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>some Cardinal players and you know, members of the organization

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:07.280
<v Speaker 1>that listen to this podcast. So I'm curious as somebody

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 1>who has accomplished a lot in life, who has won

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>an NBA championship, who has been with the Spurs, who

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>were and still are one of the great organizations in

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 1>pro sports. You've been to the finals with the Nets,

0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:26.120
<v Speaker 1>You've seen organizations that are run really really well. You

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.280
<v Speaker 1>play for Loudolson in Arizona, won a lot of games.

0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>What would be your advice as the Cardinals are resetting

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 1>first year general manager Manti ausen Fort, first year head

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:40.360
<v Speaker 1>coach Jonathan Gannon, trying to lay a foundation, build a

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 1>culture to take the next step to winning a championship,

0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 1>because in the NFL, it's not like the NBA. In

0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the NFL, in a year you can turn it around

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>and be a Super Bowl contender. We've seen it many times.

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 1>What would be your advice to the Cardinals organization, to

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Cardinal players as we're kind of sitting here struggling through

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:02.879
<v Speaker 1>year one of this transition one in six, to stay

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.160
<v Speaker 1>positive and focus on the big picture.

0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Well I can't speak, like necessarily from an organizational standpoint,

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:13.840
<v Speaker 2>because I think that takes a lot of infrastructure and

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 2>it takes a lot of time and thought. But I

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 2>can talk about it from a player's standpoint. And this

0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:19.720
<v Speaker 2>is my message to the players. I think the greatest

0:42:19.800 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>mistakes that I ever made in my career were allowing

0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 2>my situation to dictate my mentality. And once I heard this,

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 2>and it always sticks by me again, one of these

0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:34.799
<v Speaker 2>things that just sticks in my head is not your

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:39.399
<v Speaker 2>situation that dictates your success. It's how you handle your

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 2>situation that will dictate your success. And so it's like, oh,

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, when I first got drafted, I was in

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.480
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey and they had never won anything, they had

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 2>never accomplished anything. So we all show up there and Jason,

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:54.680
<v Speaker 2>led by Jason Kidd and Keny Martin and Cary Kittles,

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.240
<v Speaker 2>we turn it around and it was just like Jason

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Kidd had a mentality that like, hey, oh no, this

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>scene can be good. We can be good. So I

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:03.400
<v Speaker 2>think some of it has to do with your mentality.

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:06.360
<v Speaker 2>And I would tell every player when I made mistakes

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 2>in my career is because the team was bad or

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.240
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't playing well, and then I got sad and depressed,

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>and I put too much value in me as an

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.279
<v Speaker 2>individual athlete, and I put so much self worth in that,

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:19.440
<v Speaker 2>and then I you know, whether you're not working out

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 2>as much as you're supposed to because you're on a

0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 2>bad team, and then all of a sudden you have

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 2>an injury and you're not rehabbing. It just becomes this

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 2>snowball effect. The sooner you can become impervious to the

0:43:30.719 --> 0:43:33.920
<v Speaker 2>things around you and all you're doing is focusing on

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 2>success brick by brick. Now you add two people doing that,

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you add ten people doing that, you add twenty people

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:42.839
<v Speaker 2>doing it. Now those bricks start to build and start

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 2>to add up versus you know, but it has to

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 2>start with you individually and saying it's like it doesn't matter.

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 2>I need to train like it's like we're twelve and zero.

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 2>I need to train like we're zero and twelve. There

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 2>should be no difference. And that's the trick as a

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 2>professional athlete, train like you're getting ready for the super

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Bowl every single week. Because one thing that they say

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>in San Antonio, and I'll leave you with this, is

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 2>that they don't raise their level in the postseason, they

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<v Speaker 2>don't raise their level. I would imagine Belichick is probably

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<v Speaker 2>his level doesn't become more intense in the postseason. Their

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<v Speaker 2>level is that intense in the preseason, in the regular season,

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<v Speaker 2>in the first round they're in. Their level of intensity

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<v Speaker 2>is like that all the time. It's the people that

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<v Speaker 2>want to raise and then okay, this is fine, and

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<v Speaker 2>then raise. That's why Pop always calls those thirty second

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<v Speaker 2>timeouts into a game because he wants to fire up

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<v Speaker 2>his guys and get them more intense. It's like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care who we're playing, you missed that rotation it's

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<v Speaker 2>the first play of the game, or you guys gonna

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<v Speaker 2>wake up. And it was just so when you get

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<v Speaker 2>to the postseason, Pop is talking to you the same

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<v Speaker 2>way in the postseason in game seven as he's talking

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<v Speaker 2>to you in in game three of the preseason. He's

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<v Speaker 2>talking the exact same way and expects that exact same standard.

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<v Speaker 2>So once the standard is the standard and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>negotiating with that, then it becomes the player and how

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<v Speaker 2>do I handle that? So I'm big on focusing in

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<v Speaker 2>on how do I handle my situation versus allowing my

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<v Speaker 2>situation to dictate my success.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's great stuff, man, And for a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>young players, that's the kind of thing they need to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from somebody like yourself that played almost two decades,

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<v Speaker 1>won a championship, accomplished a ton, and are accomplishing a

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<v Speaker 1>ton in a different walk of life. You're a star

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<v Speaker 1>in this business, buddy, and I love you and I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you, man. I look forward to seeing I know

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<v Speaker 1>we have a game together Warrior Sons in Phoenix here

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<v Speaker 1>in a few weeks, So look forward to seeing the impel.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, can't wait, man. I appreciate you day, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Richard, Thanks, Buddy. Love what Richard had to say

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of his advice for the Cardinals, because the

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<v Speaker 1>way Richard approached things as an NBA player, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>was with the Nets, with the Spurs, and certainly with

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland and Lebron James, because that's the way Lebron James

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<v Speaker 1>approaches everything, meaning every practice, every rep, every game is

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal to be taken seriously and an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to improve, regardless of the record, regardless of the circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding the individual. I think it's terrific advice. That is

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<v Speaker 1>something I know Manti asin Fort and Jonathan Gannon are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to instill in this team as well. We are

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