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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals play

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Speaker 1: by play announcer Dave Pash. My guest this week is

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Speaker 1: longtime NBA player and current NBA broadcaster Richard Jefferson. With

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Speaker 1: the NBA season starting this week, thought it was a

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Speaker 1: great chance to catch up with Richard, talk about the season,

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Speaker 1: talk about his former teammate Lebron James going into year

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Speaker 1: twenty one in the NBA. We'll get Richard's thoughts on

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Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns, on the Milwaukee Bucks after the Damian

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Speaker 1: Lillard trade. We'll talk broadcasting, and we'll also talk about

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals and get Richard's advice to a team

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Speaker 1: like the Cardinals in a season of transition with a

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Speaker 1: new GM, new coach, a lot of new players trying

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Speaker 1: to stay positive in order to take that next step

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Speaker 2: It has to start with you individually and saying it's

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Speaker 2: like it doesn't matter, I need to train like we're

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Speaker 1: himself a Phoenix guy he grew up here, went to

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Speaker 1: next step. All right, now our conversation with one of

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Speaker 1: the best dudes in broadcasting. You're just a great guy,

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Speaker 1: fun guy to be around, great personality and obviously was

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Speaker 1: a terrific player seventeen years in the NBA and now

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Speaker 1: a broadcaster. With ESPN Richard Jefferson. So, Richard, I know

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Speaker 1: you don't like to be called r J. Richard. First

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Speaker 1: things first, I feel like we are far enough along

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Speaker 1: in our professional and personal relationship that I have an

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Speaker 1: idea when you're being sarcastic and when you're not being sarcastic,

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Speaker 1: how long does it normally take people to kind of

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Speaker 2: Honestly who It varies because it's just I live on

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Speaker 2: I live on that line. And then even when I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm being sarcastic, I'm kind of like, ah, no, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. Or sometimes when I'm I'm serious, people

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Speaker 2: have a little bit they wait to see being serious.

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Speaker 2: But no, it varies. It varies on the subject. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: You know, I like the pile and I was like,

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Speaker 2: what do you mean kidding? I I'm being very serious,

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Speaker 2: and then everyone gets confused. So that's what the realm

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Speaker 2: in any conversation that I'm involved in.

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Speaker 1: How beneficial do you think that was to the many

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Speaker 1: But obviously you're a good enough player where if you

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Speaker 2: To be honest, Like, it's weird when I'm between those lines,

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Speaker 2: those things that I'm a competitor first and a sarcastic

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Speaker 2: But when it's time to win, time to compete, Like,

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Speaker 2: there was the right time when the coaches would leave,

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Speaker 2: that's when the starcasm would come. But you don't want

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Speaker 1: And I want to get to winning the championship in

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Speaker 2: Well, see, that's where I think only true West Coasters understand.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't I probably claim more Arizona at the

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Speaker 2: So it's it's tough. I claim I claim Arizona, but

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Speaker 1: So you're a Rams fan though, correct?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, now understand the timing of this as a

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Speaker 1: So what does it take to convert you? Do we

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Speaker 1: Because the Cardinals have made the playoffs, They've been in

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. I don't hate the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: I know the Channing Fry played for the Suns, I

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Speaker 1: get him on the pod now, cause do you guys

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Speaker 2: We do it once a week, We do it pretty consistently.

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Speaker 2: We are actually really excited. There's some things that are

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Speaker 2: some partnerships that we're working on. It will probably be

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Speaker 2: I don't think that Channing is going to have anything

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Speaker 1: Rider dot And it's road tripping podcast, right, yes.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, road Tripping podcast, the original athlete podcast.

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Speaker 1: JJ Reddick, had a podcast before Richard Jefferson and Channing

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Speaker 2: Well, well, we were the first ones to do it

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Speaker 2: doing it in season and discussing what's going on. We

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Speaker 2: and we're like, hey, let's record a game, let's record

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Speaker 1: And what year was this the first year you guys

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Speaker 2: Well, we did it after we won the championship, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so twenty sixteen, you win the championship. You're part

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Speaker 1: How gratifying was that for you? Given also, Richard, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you played seventeen years, You had already been in the

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. To be part of that team with great

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Speaker 2: I just lated to say that I believe that that

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Speaker 2: I think they had the most perfect season of all time.

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Speaker 2: But I think for us, I think it was the

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Speaker 2: the things that he was accomplished the roster that he

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Speaker 2: had around him, but Michael Jordan had, you know, without

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, those like the Bulls still went to the

434
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Speaker 2: conference finals without Michael Jordan that year that he was gone.

435
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Speaker 2: So it's like when Jordan comes back and he's the

436
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Speaker 2: best player in the world, one of it, you know,

437
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Speaker 2: if not the greatest player of all time. When he

438
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Speaker 2: enters it's like he's got Scotty Pippen, He's got Tony Kukoach,

439
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: he's got Dennis, Robin and stee Like he's got a

440
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Speaker 2: loaded roster that he steps in and leads them to

441
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Speaker 2: another level. And I think that you have to have

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Speaker 2: a roster around you. And I think Phoenix has done

443
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Speaker 2: a good job. Devin Booker's young, he should be eating

444
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: up a ton of minutes and usage rate. I think

445
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: Bradley Beal is still in the middle middle of his

446
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 2: prime in my opinion, even though he's in his thirties.

447
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 2: I think those guys need to do the majority of

448
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Speaker 2: the weight and then let Kevin Durant pick his spots.

449
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Speaker 2: If you want to go win a championship, you know

450
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Speaker 2: that to me. And the last thing I'll say about this,

451
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Speaker 2: we talked about it on NBA to Day. A lot

452
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Speaker 2: of these teams win their championship in their second year together.

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Speaker 2: The Lakers won their championship with Kyle Gassol in their

454
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Speaker 2: second year together, lost in the finals after the Trade

455
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: won it. The Miami Heat lost in the conference finals

456
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Speaker 2: when they got shocked. The next year they won the championship. Obviously,

457
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Speaker 2: Lebron has won three championships in his new When he

458
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Speaker 2: arrived in places, he won championship in the second year

459
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Speaker 2: in Miami Championship, the second year in Cleveland Championship, the

460
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Speaker 2: second year in Lakers. A lot of times when you

461
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Speaker 2: enter into these things, it can take a year. Maybe

462
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: you got to go get one or two minimum contracts

463
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: our vets that say hey, I want to go there.

464
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Speaker 2: So I think the Suns can win it this year.

465
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Speaker 2: I think they will be very good this year. But

466
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Speaker 2: if you ask me which version of the sun being

467
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Speaker 2: one hundred percent healthy will be better this year's team

468
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Speaker 2: or next year's team. When they've had Frank Bogo for

469
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 2: a full year, they're not teaching systems to those guys.

470
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Speaker 2: When when Bradley Beal and Devin Booker are now been

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Speaker 2: on a team for a full year and Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 2: So to me, we all look at it, Oh, it's

473
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Speaker 2: win or you know winner is the bus that we

474
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Speaker 2: know that that's BS. So when I look at these teams,

475
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Speaker 2: I look at it from a space of oh, this year,

476
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Speaker 2: they'll be very good. Next year if healthy have a

477
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Speaker 2: chance to be great, that's the timetable because history has

478
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Speaker 2: shown us that.

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Speaker 1: Good use of BS. I mean, if this was JJ's pod,

480
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Speaker 1: you guys would be drinking champagne and dropping f bomb.

481
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Speaker 1: So at least you know that you're on a clean

482
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Speaker 1: NFL sponsored podcast here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and JJ was supposed to edit that stuff out. Man,

484
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Speaker 2: I think he's you know, I think he's setting me up.

485
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Speaker 1: He must have still been drinking the champagne during the

486
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Speaker 1: editing process, most likely. I know you've talked about this

487
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Speaker 1: ad nauseum, and I want to get into your career

488
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: because I'm just it's been so much fun to watch

489
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: and and you know, call games with you and just

490
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: kind of see your growth and maturation to becoming I

491
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: think you know, one of the best analysts in basketball

492
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Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see what's next for you.

493
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: But I want to you know, Damian Lillard, I'm sure

494
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: you guys again on NBA today have talked about this

495
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: over and over and over again. You're probably talking tired

496
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 1: of talking about it. But Damian Lillard, who by the way,

497
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Speaker 1: still has to a fess up on a bet that

498
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Speaker 1: he had on this podcast. He has not Warren the

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray Jersey that the Cardinals sent him into into

500
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Speaker 1: the building. Yet he needs to do that for the

501
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: bet that he lost against the Cardinals. When the Cardinals

502
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: beat the Raiders, last year. But that's besides the point.

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Speaker 1: I'm not holding a grudge or anything, but the trade

504
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Speaker 1: to Milwaukee, does that put the Bucks as the team

505
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Speaker 1: to beat in the East or is it Boston with

506
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Speaker 1: Porzingis and Drew Holliday being added to that mix.

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Speaker 2: Now, I would say that's one of the caveats that

508
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Speaker 2: you see with these kind of championship teams brought together.

509
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Speaker 2: It's like, you remember the Boston Celtics when they all

510
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: got together that first year they won the championship. But

511
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Speaker 2: I think one of the unexpected things that year was

512
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Speaker 2: the emergence of Rondo, who is this caught guard. There's

513
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Speaker 2: ultimately going to be one of the best guards in

514
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Speaker 2: the league for a decade. So when you talk about

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Speaker 2: bringing it all together, when I look at the Milwaukee Bucks,

516
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Speaker 2: they got a brand new coach and Griff who agent Griffin,

517
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Speaker 2: who I know very well. I think he's going to

518
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Speaker 2: do a good job. I think the Terry Stotts situation,

519
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: to me, that doesn't help because a lot of times

520
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Speaker 2: when you get first year head coaches, you bring in

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Speaker 2: a former head coach to kind of like just like, hey,

522
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Speaker 2: this is the best way. Here's some advice, like this

523
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: is your team. But I'm just here as like an

524
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Speaker 2: elderly guidance individual, and so you know that to me

525
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Speaker 2: is a little curious about how that's going to work out.

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Speaker 2: But I stand by, Can the Bucks win the championship

527
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: this year? Yes? If they stay healthy and all the things,

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Speaker 2: I think next year they will be the best vers

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Speaker 2: another shell. Now instead of thinking, hey, because you see

530
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Speaker 2: this a lot of times going oh hey, I was

531
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Speaker 2: gonna cut back door. Okay, hey, well look this is

532
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: what those conversations now start to be more intuitive, where

533
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Speaker 2: you know what your team is thinking. We'll keep doing

534
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: football references like when you see Patrick Mahomes and Kelsey,

535
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: these things are not all drawn up plays. When he

536
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: go gets all these receptions and he does it, it's

537
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Speaker 2: not drawn up. These guys have just been in the

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Speaker 2: league together. They understand when his teammate is though he's

539
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Speaker 2: looking for one guy. And that's where I think that

540
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: intuitiveness and you start to know what your teammate is thinking.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't come in six months, that doesn't come in

542
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Speaker 2: a year, that comes over a long period of time.

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Speaker 2: So can the Bucks win it? Yes, there should be

544
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Speaker 2: one of those five teams. But when you have all

545
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Speaker 2: of this roster change, especially on top teams. I'll include

546
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Speaker 2: the Lakers in that. I think Denver is pretty much silid.

547
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Speaker 2: That's why they're my early pick to repeat if Denver.

548
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Speaker 2: You look at the changes in Boston, No Marcus Smart,

549
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: but you added Drew and now you've got Brazingis has

550
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 2: never made a playoff run. Brazingis has to go all

551
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: eighty two and then go another twenty to get to

552
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: the championship. So when I look at this, there's a

553
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: handful of teams that have a ton of new changeovers

554
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: and it's just a matter of like who can clean

555
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: this up and get to their continuity factors.

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Speaker 1: I teased a moment ago your rapid rise and ascension

557
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: in this business, and it's been great to watch, whether

558
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: it's hosting the podcast, hosting NBA Today, which you've done

559
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: and then also obviously being a regular panelist as a

560
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: basketball expert on that show, or Get Up or first

561
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: Take calling games for either ESPN or the Nets. What

562
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: do you enjoy most?

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00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: Oh, that's tough, man. I think one. Let me give

564
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: a shout out to you, Dave. You have look if

565
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Speaker 2: you can sit down with Bill Walton as much as

566
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Speaker 2: you have. You can sit down with any analyst. But

567
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: I've learned so much from you and for people listening

568
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: to this, like a lot of analysts don't get their

569
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: flowers or their play by play don't get their flowers.

570
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: But all the players that retire and get into this industry,

571
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: you know this. There's not a lot of teaching that

572
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: goes on at let's say the networks. It's a little

573
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: bit of a sink or swim. It's a little bit

574
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: of a how hard are you going to work? But

575
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: as an analyst, we depend on guys like you and

576
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, that was a good job, or hey,

577
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: do more of that. So I've learned so much from

578
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: sitting next to you. So I am a product of

579
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: sitting next to guys like you and Iron Eagle, Ryan

580
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: Ruco Breen. I'm a product of that because when you

581
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: guys see my passion and my love for the game,

582
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 2: and you guys bring me under your wing and you're like, hey,

583
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: this is good, Hey when you do this, this is

584
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: the best way. Hey, good job going to break and

585
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: reading the all of those things. I think it really

586
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 2: takes a community to get guys in this space and

587
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 2: We've seen it. We saw Jason Witten try and leave

588
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: football and go right back to the BO. Not everybody

589
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: has that move transition. So to have an individual like

590
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Speaker 2: you that I can call a friend, an individual like

591
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Speaker 2: you that you know we'll sit and you're like, hey,

592
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: I'm about to do my picks, and I'm like, hey,

593
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: let's sit and talk. Let's sit and talk through your

594
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: picks for MVP and this like I'd love to. So

595
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: I just owe so much to you and a lot

596
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: of your a lot of your colleague for helping guys

597
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Speaker 2: like me get to where I am.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're very kind. I appreciate that, but you're a

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Speaker 1: willing participant. I mean a lot of guys just think,

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Speaker 1: you know, they don't take it seriously. I've seen it

601
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: where guys just jump in. They are doing it because

602
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: they want to stay in the game, but they don't

603
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: really care. You care, and you know, JJ is the

604
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: same way. I just worked with Bob Myers last week,

605
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Speaker 1: former GM of the Warriors, first time doing a game,

606
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Speaker 1: although he did some color for UCLA twenty years ago

607
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Speaker 1: on radio. But like Bob is asking all these questions

608
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Speaker 1: about kind of the mechanics and everything and it's it's great.

609
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Speaker 1: I mean, ESPN's did a good job by Denny to

610
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Speaker 1: find guys like yourself that that want to be good

611
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Speaker 1: and care and want to improve and want to be coached.

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Speaker 1: But you've been. You've been coached coached your whole life.

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Speaker 1: And look, you and I have done a lot of

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Speaker 1: NBA games today together, but I think my favorite game

615
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Speaker 1: I've done with you was the game that you Bill

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Speaker 1: Walton and I did maybe five years ago, UCLA Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Obviously you played at Arizona, Luke. Walton's one of your

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Speaker 1: best friends. You play and Bill played at UCLA, and

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Speaker 1: you brought up Bill, So let's let's go there. First

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Speaker 1: time you met Bill? What do you recall?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you two so again, like, I'm a

622
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: basketball nerd, so I'm with Bill Walton's son. That's that's

623
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Speaker 2: what his nickname was. They were like Bill Walton Son Luke.

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Speaker 2: Every article, like our our senior year in high school

625
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Speaker 2: and moving, you know, probably probably our freshman sophomore year

626
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Speaker 2: in college. It was Bill Walton Son Luke. That's all

627
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Speaker 2: how he was always introduced, and so you know, I

628
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Speaker 2: know who he is, and I'm just like, dude, like

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Speaker 2: Bill Walton his dad. So the very first time where

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Speaker 2: we have the answering machines back in our dorm, back

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Speaker 2: in ninety eight. Yes, I'm dating myself and I get

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00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: a phone call. Are there's a message and he pushed

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Speaker 2: the button and it's and it's Bill Walton. So I'm

634
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: like freaking out. Luke's unpacking doesn't give a damn. And

635
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, Bill Walton is on my

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Speaker 2: phone and he's like, Luke, this is Bill Walton calling

637
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: lude Olsen called me and said that there were some

638
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: forms that needed to be sent to our house. Can

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00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: you send them to blank blank blank you know the address?

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Speaker 2: You know blank blank blank blank blank blank And he

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Speaker 2: says that he goes, I repeat, the address is blank

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Speaker 2: blank blank blank blank blank, and I go and I'm

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Speaker 2: a little kepus. Now I'm like, Luke, like did your

644
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: family just move or something like does your dad leave

645
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: the address that like an office? And he's like he

646
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: looked at me and put his head down and he goes, Richard,

647
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: my parents are hippies. I was born in that downstairs

648
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: bedroom at that house. And anytime he calls, he will

649
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: leave the address twice and I'm like, Okay, that's weird.

650
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: So this was my first introduction. Now as forward about

651
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: three months, right, we're sitting on the We're on a plane.

652
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 2: I think we're leaving La to go back to Tucson,

653
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, the stewardess walks up. Stewart

654
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: walks up, and they're like, hey, your father is outside

655
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: to Luke, and like the whole team is on the plane,

656
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: like and with this one, we didn't fly commercial. We

657
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 2: would are we flew We didn't fly privately, flew commercial.

658
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: So Luke looks at me. He's like, hey, you want

659
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: to meet Bill? And I'm like, damn right, I do.

660
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: So me and him both get off the plane. So

661
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: we're off the plane and we're talking to Bill. I

662
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: get to meet Bill and got to meet Laurie. Laurie's amazing.

663
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: So I'm talking to Bill and I keep looking at

664
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: the gate. I keep looking at the gate like should

665
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: we go? But the plane was about to take off,

666
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: and Bill was like, Richard, calm down, do you see

667
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: those two individuals? The plane is not leaving until we're done.

668
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting here like mind blown. As an eighteen

669
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: year old kid, I'm like, wait, this dude can hold

670
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: up a damn plane. For I was so confused and

671
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: like for you know that Bill lives and lives in

672
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: a realm and in a reality that is unlike anything

673
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: that you can even really express the people, and so

674
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: from that point on it was just you know, it's

675
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: Bill's world and we're all just living in it, as

676
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: you know.

677
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: And he got you guys in trouble with the nc DOUBLEA.

678
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: Yes, he got me suspended because Bill being like he is,

679
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: Bill's one of my mentors. He's such a good person,

680
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: and I was living in Arizona. He's got three other

681
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: sons outside of Luke, all within the same range and

682
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: all played college basketball. So you know, he reached out.

683
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: Was like, hey, Luke calls me. He's like, Bill wants

684
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: you to come out and hang out. So I'm like, yeah,

685
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: I'll leave my Glendale, Arizona hot box that I'm living

686
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: in and I'll fly out to San Diego and hang

687
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: out with you guys, and I'll tell you that first trip,

688
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: just spending time, and he got us a ticket to

689
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: the to the NBA Finals because he was doing the game.

690
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: That was my second NBA game i'd ever been to NCBA,

691
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: finds out about it, and I get suspended, which is

692
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: a little weird. I didn't understand how that works. But

693
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: I'll say this. Bill took me to the airport on

694
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: that and he gave me this advice. And I remember

695
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: when all of the boys were like, hey, Bill's taking

696
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: to the airport. I'm like, what does that mean. I'm

697
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: still nervous of this dude. So he takes me by Richard,

698
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: you know, I've been watching you, and I feel like

699
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: you have a great opportunity to really change you in

700
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: your family's life. But I want you to remember this.

701
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: The worst thing that you can do for people that

702
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: you love are things that they could and should do

703
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: for themselves. Now repeat it back to me at eighteen

704
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: years old, and like, look fast forward. I go into

705
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: the NBA, and I do all this stuff, and I'm

706
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: helping my family. I'm doing all this stuff, and then

707
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: at about thirty when you know, there were some mistakes

708
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you realize it's like, wait

709
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: a second, now I understand what that man was trying

710
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: to tell me. And it was because he had been

711
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: through everything that I had already been through. So the

712
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: fact that he would just give this wisdom some sometimes,

713
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: you know, unannounced and unasked. It meant a lot to me,

714
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: you know, And I think I I've grown closer to

715
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 2: him as I've understood more of his mentality in the

716
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: space that he was coming from, really just trying to

717
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: help young kids navigate what was coming. And I didn't

718
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: realize it at the time, but I still stand by

719
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: that that that's a message now I give to people constantly,

720
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: and it's because I heard it from him. At eighteen,

721
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: I didn't understand it, but at thirty, I damned sure

722
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: understood it. So I just try and embark that same

723
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: message to young players when I talked to him.

724
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: A couple more and we'll let you go, Richard, true

725
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: or false? At Luke's wedding where I think you were

726
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: the best man, Bill not only didn't wear a tux,

727
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: but he wore a golf shirt with the NBA logo,

728
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: very similar to what Rob Low. You know, there's the

729
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: Rob Low meme with him wearing the NFL hat with

730
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: the NFL logo. Is that true that Bill wore just

731
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: a golf shirt with the NBA logo on it to

732
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: the wedding?

733
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, So let me really quickly break it down

734
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: to your listeners. Dave is such a master as you know,

735
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: it's such a massive brought caster or interviewer. He can

736
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: do it all.

737
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: You know.

738
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: Damn well, that's true, Dave.

739
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: You know, I know I've seen the picture. I've seen

740
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 1: the picture.

741
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: You've seen the picture. But you're asking me if that's true,

742
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: as if I couldn't interview you about ten stories with Bill? Right,

743
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: it's like Bill ran a hippie commune in San Diego.

744
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 2: Fast forward, you know, we're doing that game for people

745
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: that don't know I'm doing the game. Bill is there

746
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: and Dave is in between us, and Bill is talking

747
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 2: about how Richard used to sleep on my couch. Then

748
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: fast forward in that game, Sean Miller, Sean Miller, form

749
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: Arizona coach, gets kicked out of the UCLA Arizona game.

750
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: So taking over for Sean Miller after he gets run

751
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: is Jack Murphy. So Jack Murphy was a manager when

752
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: me and Luke and Iggy and all of us were

753
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: at Arizona. So now he's you know, he's the top

754
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: assistant coach at Arizona under Sean. So in the middle

755
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: of the game, Seawn gets thrown out, and then Jack

756
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: Murphy takes over and Bill goes Jack Murphy. I loved him,

757
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: but he used to sleep on my couch also, And

758
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: you're like, how many people used to sleep on this

759
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: man's couch? I can list a lot. JB. Bickerstaffs, you know,

760
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: the head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers. I met JB.

761
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: When we were twenty one years old, and so we

762
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: would all hang out together. So it was just he

763
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: he was such a unique individual. So the fact that

764
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: you have worked with that man for years and you're

765
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: asking me questions about how unique he is, I think

766
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 2: you need to tell some more stories.

767
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: I know, but this is a podcast where we interview

768
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: superstar celebrities like yourself, and so yes, I could sit

769
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: here for hours and tell Bill stories. But I actually

770
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: don't think you told this to me. I know the story,

771
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: our fans probably listeners don't know the story at all.

772
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: But okay, So you're in the NBA, you're making ten

773
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: plus million a year, you're living at Bill's house, sleeping,

774
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: You're living at Bill Walton's house, and how did you

775
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: and you got kicked out? Who kicked you out? And why?

776
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 2: Okay? So okay, yes, I was making a good amount

777
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: of money. I was very, very fortunate. But this is

778
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 2: what it was. At seventeen years old. We would like

779
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: we would go out and stay at Bill's house. Bill

780
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: has a huge house. You've been there. There's the boy

781
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: side and there's Bill side. Well, the boy side has

782
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: the pool, the hot tub, so we could have all

783
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: the fun that we wanted and Bill would never see

784
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: it as long as we were up and out of

785
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: there by five am, six am when he would take

786
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: his morning naked hot tub.

787
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: Wait, hold on, hold on, And that is first of all,

788
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: the side of the house that has like multiple huts

789
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: and outdoor showers in the pool where Bill would take

790
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: the naked bath in the morning. Right, that's the boy's side.

791
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's the boy side over there. So our

792
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: goal was to be out of the party zone by

793
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: four or five in the morning. Again, we don't need

794
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: to get into details of that, but I will say

795
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: this it was that. So after I got drafted, it

796
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: was still Luke was still in college, so it was like, hey,

797
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: we go stay at Bill. There's beds all there, beds

798
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 2: in the living room, there's beds in the garden, there's

799
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: beds spread out. There's the TP life sized TPE with

800
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: a bed. So it was just like, dude, what am

801
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: I going to pay for? I'm just going to sleep

802
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: here on the bed and we hang out, we work out,

803
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: we you know, kick it. So for it was like

804
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: the then we got older and then all of a sudden,

805
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: we weren't eighteen and nineteen year old kids. Now we're

806
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: twenty three year old kids. And Luke is in the

807
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: NBA and I'm in the NBA. But now we have

808
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 2: more disposable money. But look, so we're just doing we're

809
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: doing too much, if you will, and basically using his

810
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: house as like our fun party pad during the summer.

811
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: So Bill, Bill brings me and rich are, me and

812
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: Luke into his office and are like, Richard, you guys

813
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: are strewing my home. What is going on? Richard? Why

814
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: don't you go to your parents' house and ruin it?

815
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: And like me and Luke like he literally chastises me

816
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: like I'm his son and I and I respect him

817
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: and love him for it. So we got kicked out

818
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: of his house. And after we got kicked out of

819
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: his house enough times, because there wasn't one time one time,

820
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: Bill saw us at like six in the morning about

821
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: to go to bed, and me and Luke just got

822
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: in his car and just drove straight to la where like,

823
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: we don't want to see Bill at noon and him

824
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: harassing us, yelling at us. So it was more of

825
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: After we did that, Luke and I bought a home

826
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,479
Speaker 2: in Rancho Santa Fe, and then that's where we started

827
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: hanging out with our friends and we would train with

828
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: different guys that would come down. But yes, I've been

829
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: kicked out of that home multiple times.

830
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: He blamed it on Laurie, his wife, Bill did. He says,

831
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: it's Laurie's It was Laurie's call.

832
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: See, Laurie is entitled to all of that, and Laurie

833
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: with one hundred percent right to take it out of

834
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: our hundred I'm surprised that we lasted as long as

835
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: we did. That shows you how graceful and loving they both.

836
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: Laurie's amazing. Bill always says she's still here, you know,

837
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: as if like she's going to leave, But what would

838
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: he do without her? All right, last one and somewhat serious.

839
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: So I'm just curious that there are some Cardinal players

840
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 1: who do actually listen to this podcast. Buddha Baker listens

841
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: to the pod and multiple Pro Bowls. So you've got

842
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: some Cardinal players and you know, members of the organization

843
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 1: that listen to this podcast. So I'm curious as somebody

844
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: who has accomplished a lot in life, who has won

845
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: an NBA championship, who has been with the Spurs, who

846
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: were and still are one of the great organizations in

847
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: pro sports. You've been to the finals with the Nets,

848
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: You've seen organizations that are run really really well. You

849
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: play for Loudolson in Arizona, won a lot of games.

850
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: What would be your advice as the Cardinals are resetting

851
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: first year general manager Manti ausen Fort, first year head

852
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: coach Jonathan Gannon, trying to lay a foundation, build a

853
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: culture to take the next step to winning a championship,

854
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: because in the NFL, it's not like the NBA. In

855
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: the NFL, in a year you can turn it around

856
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: and be a Super Bowl contender. We've seen it many times.

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Speaker 1: What would be your advice to the Cardinals organization, to

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Speaker 1: Cardinal players as we're kind of sitting here struggling through

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Speaker 1: year one of this transition one in six, to stay

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Speaker 1: positive and focus on the big picture.

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Speaker 2: Well I can't speak, like necessarily from an organizational standpoint,

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Speaker 2: because I think that takes a lot of infrastructure and

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Speaker 2: it takes a lot of time and thought. But I

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Speaker 2: can talk about it from a player's standpoint. And this

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Speaker 2: is my message to the players. I think the greatest

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Speaker 2: mistakes that I ever made in my career were allowing

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Speaker 2: my situation to dictate my mentality. And once I heard this,

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Speaker 2: and it always sticks by me again, one of these

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Speaker 2: things that just sticks in my head is not your

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Speaker 2: situation that dictates your success. It's how you handle your

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Speaker 2: situation that will dictate your success. And so it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, when I first got drafted, I was in

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Speaker 2: New Jersey and they had never won anything, they had

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Speaker 2: never accomplished anything. So we all show up there and Jason,

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Speaker 2: led by Jason Kidd and Keny Martin and Cary Kittles,

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Speaker 2: we turn it around and it was just like Jason

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Speaker 2: Kidd had a mentality that like, hey, oh no, this

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Speaker 2: scene can be good. We can be good. So I

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Speaker 2: think some of it has to do with your mentality.

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Speaker 2: And I would tell every player when I made mistakes

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Speaker 2: in my career is because the team was bad or

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Speaker 2: I wasn't playing well, and then I got sad and depressed,

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Speaker 2: and I put too much value in me as an

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Speaker 2: individual athlete, and I put so much self worth in that,

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Speaker 2: and then I you know, whether you're not working out

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Speaker 2: as much as you're supposed to because you're on a

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Speaker 2: bad team, and then all of a sudden you have

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Speaker 2: an injury and you're not rehabbing. It just becomes this

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Speaker 2: snowball effect. The sooner you can become impervious to the

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Speaker 2: things around you and all you're doing is focusing on

891
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Speaker 2: success brick by brick. Now you add two people doing that,

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Speaker 2: you add ten people doing that, you add twenty people

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Speaker 2: doing it. Now those bricks start to build and start

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Speaker 2: to add up versus you know, but it has to

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Speaker 2: start with you individually and saying it's like it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: I need to train like it's like we're twelve and zero.

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Speaker 2: I need to train like we're zero and twelve. There

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Speaker 2: should be no difference. And that's the trick as a

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Speaker 2: professional athlete, train like you're getting ready for the super

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Speaker 2: Bowl every single week. Because one thing that they say

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Speaker 2: in San Antonio, and I'll leave you with this, is

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Speaker 2: that they don't raise their level in the postseason, they

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Speaker 2: don't raise their level. I would imagine Belichick is probably

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Speaker 2: his level doesn't become more intense in the postseason. Their

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Speaker 2: level is that intense in the preseason, in the regular season,

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Speaker 2: in the first round they're in. Their level of intensity

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Speaker 2: is like that all the time. It's the people that

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Speaker 2: want to raise and then okay, this is fine, and

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Speaker 2: then raise. That's why Pop always calls those thirty second

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Speaker 2: timeouts into a game because he wants to fire up

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Speaker 2: his guys and get them more intense. It's like, I

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Speaker 2: don't care who we're playing, you missed that rotation it's

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Speaker 2: the first play of the game, or you guys gonna

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Speaker 2: wake up. And it was just so when you get

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Speaker 2: to the postseason, Pop is talking to you the same

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Speaker 2: way in the postseason in game seven as he's talking

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Speaker 2: to you in in game three of the preseason. He's

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Speaker 2: talking the exact same way and expects that exact same standard.

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Speaker 2: So once the standard is the standard and there's no

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Speaker 2: negotiating with that, then it becomes the player and how

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Speaker 2: do I handle that? So I'm big on focusing in

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Speaker 2: on how do I handle my situation versus allowing my

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Speaker 2: situation to dictate my success.

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Speaker 1: No, that's great stuff, man, And for a lot of

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Speaker 1: young players, that's the kind of thing they need to

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Speaker 1: hear from somebody like yourself that played almost two decades,

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Speaker 1: won a championship, accomplished a ton, and are accomplishing a

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Speaker 1: ton in a different walk of life. You're a star

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Speaker 1: in this business, buddy, and I love you and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you, man. I look forward to seeing I know

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Speaker 1: we have a game together Warrior Sons in Phoenix here

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Speaker 1: in a few weeks, So look forward to seeing the impel.

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Speaker 2: All right, can't wait, man. I appreciate you day, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Richard, Thanks, Buddy. Love what Richard had to say

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Speaker 1: in terms of his advice for the Cardinals, because the

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Speaker 1: way Richard approached things as an NBA player, whether it

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Speaker 1: was with the Nets, with the Spurs, and certainly with

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Speaker 1: Cleveland and Lebron James, because that's the way Lebron James

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Speaker 1: approaches everything, meaning every practice, every rep, every game is

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Speaker 1: a big deal to be taken seriously and an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to improve, regardless of the record, regardless of the circumstances

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Speaker 1: surrounding the individual. I think it's terrific advice. That is

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Speaker 1: something I know Manti asin Fort and Jonathan Gannon are

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Speaker 1: trying to instill in this team as well. We are

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