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Speaker 1: Welcome back to all the smoke. I'm excited about today. Man.

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Speaker 2: So when I grew up watching and admiring.

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Speaker 3: And play with a lot of great players, four time champ, hisself,

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Speaker 3: All Star, four time All Defensive NBA team, Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame's got to be knocking at some point they bullshit

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Speaker 3: and if they not wocome to show horse. Grant appreciate love, man,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you, appreciate you. We were having a conversation earlier.

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Speaker 3: The Grant family name in the NBA is heavy. I mean,

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Speaker 3: obviously your identical twin was in there. You got nephews

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Speaker 3: in there. What was it in the water that got

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Speaker 3: you guys all to become pros?

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Speaker 1: Hey? You know, coming from Georgia and you know it

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Speaker 1: had to be something the warriors down there. You know,

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Speaker 1: my mother isn't with us anymore, and she prayed that

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Speaker 1: she could, you know, have twins, and you know she

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Speaker 1: got granted that wish. No pine intended. But I'm nine

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Speaker 1: minutes older than my brother Harvey, how many nine? And

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Speaker 1: I never let that motherfucker ever forget all right? But uh,

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Speaker 1: I have four nephews. His sons two played in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: Jared is overseas kicking ass in Greece. Got m v

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Speaker 1: P last year or the year before. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: got my other nephew just retired from overseas. So it

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Speaker 1: was just something the DNA man, you know, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, we kind of breede perfection.

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Speaker 3: I see one of the rare individuals that got a

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Speaker 3: chance to play with Kobe, Mike, and Penny. Let's not

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Speaker 3: forget Penny because I was a bad motherfucker too.

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Speaker 4: Compare.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people want to compare, particularly Mike and Kobe.

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Speaker 3: What did you see some of the similarities in some

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Speaker 3: of the differences between them as players.

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Speaker 1: I was so fortunate, so blessed to play with of

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Speaker 1: course MJ and the late great Kobe Bryant. The similarities,

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Speaker 1: it's like being a twin man. It's like there, you know,

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Speaker 1: to be on the sideline on the court with both

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Speaker 1: of those guys is just heaven sent. The similarities, the

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Speaker 1: work ethic, not just on the court, but on off

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Speaker 1: J knew he had to get stronger because you know,

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Speaker 1: the piston was busting busting our ass back in the day.

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Speaker 1: He knew he had to get stronger, and that dude

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Speaker 4: Kobe Bryant.

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Speaker 1: If Kobe go for five for twenty, that dude is

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Speaker 1: in the damn gym at four point thirty working on

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Speaker 1: So the work ethic, the passion and the love of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, identical twin. I got identical twins, seventeen year olds.

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Speaker 3: They're six months six minutes apart, and the older sixth

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Speaker 3: the Isaiah always lets Carter know that brother. Obviously having

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Speaker 3: Harvey with you. Growing up in Spartan, Georgia, describe your upbringing.

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Speaker 3: You described what described your upbringing is country poverty. Parents

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Speaker 2: What was your childhood like.

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Speaker 1: Man, I tell people all the time, we were so

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Speaker 1: damn poor. We had to move to the ghetto to

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Speaker 1: up a little. I mean, ye have Sparder, Georgia here,

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Speaker 1: but we lived in the country. Man. We had My

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Speaker 1: parents both worked two jobs and we had to basically

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Speaker 1: provide for ourselves. We hunt fish for our food. Anything

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Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on, you just got You just gave

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Speaker 3: us four monsters right there.

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Speaker 1: Rank ranked those and taste.

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Speaker 4: Hey, the raccoon is number one.

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Speaker 2: Oh, raccoon, taste good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And then you got the rabbit, and then

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Speaker 1: you got the pozza and yeah square two bony boney.

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Speaker 4: But then you got them. We even had snake.

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Speaker 1: Of course, alligator manter.

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Speaker 3: Ain't bad though it ain't bad gater in New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: One time, I was pleasantly surprised.

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Speaker 1: You enjoyed that good. Just put some house sauce on

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Speaker 4: Yeah. But and then.

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Speaker 1: At the age of about ten, my parents split up

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Speaker 1: always always, And the crazy shit Matt and a lot

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: See that's the work ethic. But yeah, yeah, that was

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: Some notable players grew up in Georgia around the same time, Dye, Ellis,

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Speaker 3: Sam Mitchell, Purvis Ellison, Jeff Malone.

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Speaker 1: What was it like back in that times. No, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was a beast tough was he?

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Speaker 1: jump out the damn gym man. Yeah. So it was

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Speaker 1: some good players back there, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: So you and your brother decided to go to Clemson.

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Speaker 3: What was your recruiting process like and when did you guys.

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Speaker 3: Always know you're going to be a package deal. I'm

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Speaker 1: Always a package, always, no question about it. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the recruiting was pretty tough. University of Georgia wanted us

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Speaker 1: you know, and Clemson came along, along with a whole

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Speaker 1: And I saw Larry Nance came from from Clemson, who

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Speaker 1: you know is a great friend to this very day.

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Speaker 1: But the crazy thing about Clemson I played my freshman

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Speaker 1: The coach comes to me, he was like, Harras, your

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Speaker 1: brother's just wilding out, you know, I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: let him go, and that was my point. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: if you know me, I'm thinking I'm always thinking.

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Speaker 2: I said, well, you know, I love.

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Speaker 1: My brother, and and he said, well, what can we

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Speaker 1: do for you to keep you here? I'm like chean,

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Speaker 4: My mom never been so happy to split twins up. Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So we he.

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Speaker 1: Went on to a junior college and went on to

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Speaker 3: So I got a question too, because I literally just

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Speaker 3: happened to me. So one of my twins broke his

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Speaker 3: So obviously watching your teammates or friends make jumps is

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Speaker 4: What was that like.

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Speaker 1: For you as the big brother?

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Speaker 3: Because I go to Isaiah sometimes I go talk to

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Speaker 3: card It's like cardival And to me, what was that

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Speaker 3: the opportunities to what would those conversations like?

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Speaker 1: It was pretty tough in terms of me, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was going to succeed because the work ethic that

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, first player in ACC history to lead the

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Speaker 3: conference and scoring at twenty one, rebounded at nearly ten

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Speaker 3: in field goal percentage at nearly seventy.

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Speaker 2: Goddamn you'd even missed?

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Speaker 1: Was that season? Like, man, my senior year, I mean,

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Speaker 4: Shit, I missed that shit. And I know where you go.

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Speaker 3: Who's in the ACC at this time during your career though,

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Speaker 4: Got Kenny Smith, you had.

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Speaker 1: I played against Johnny Dawkins, That dude, Toma Amaka and man,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know, you got to look this dude up.

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Speaker 2: Lim Bias Yeah, Maryland, Oh my god, tell me what.

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Speaker 1: This game was like, six', eight chisel jump out the gym,

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Speaker 1: Larry bird said he was coming to two uh to

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Speaker 1: Tragedy but, Man i've seen Limb bias just do.

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Speaker 4: Something and another story is my senior.

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Speaker 1: Year i'm the man on The i'm the man out

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Speaker 1: yeah you know coming To he was, like but you

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Speaker 2: To see Live? Bien, yeah, yeah he was just that

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah landing with The bulls tenth pick in the, draft

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Speaker 3: same draft As. Scottie what's your first introduction to professional

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Speaker 1: Chicago cold as? Fuck?

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Speaker 2: Man, coldest ain't it?

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Speaker 1: Man? Man coming From clemson in eighty seven getting off that.

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Speaker 4: Plane you know how you.

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Speaker 1: Go through the little tunnel when when she gets off the,

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Speaker 1: Cold but the experience with the city, itself the, diversity the,

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Speaker 1: Powerful so this is year two or three for. You, second, okay,

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Speaker 3: did he put hands on you like he used to

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Speaker 3: fuck With. Pip we see videos of him.

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Speaker 4: That that's the thing With.

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Speaker 1: Oak but he AND i was always respect AND i

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Speaker 1: remember that. VIDEO i saw. It he never did. That, no,

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Speaker 3: Man Jerry, crouse if you're not around you here mixed.

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Speaker 3: Things his, greatness he was, this he was. That what

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Speaker 1: Crouse? Love jerry Respected jerry because it takes a lot

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Speaker 1: to put a team together to win six. Championships the

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Speaker 4: Man but he was honest with.

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Speaker 1: YOU i REMEMBER i, was you, know about to become

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Speaker 1: my former agent was in a room like, this you,

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Speaker 1: like oh, shit that shit crushed. ME i just got

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Speaker 2: Court, yeah, Yeah, yeahamn that's that old school.

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Speaker 1: Shit you can't do that no. More, see that's that's some.

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Speaker 2: BULLSHIT i can't do it no. More motherfuckers are. CRYING

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Speaker 3: Traded he's supposed to take it as. Motivation So i'm

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Speaker 1: Before you get. There the year before you get, there the.

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Speaker 3: Bulls get swept out the playoffs By Larry Larry infamy,

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Speaker 3: SAID MJ i think It's god, Disguises Michael. Jordan you get,

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Speaker 3: there as you, said you back Up oak for your first,

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Speaker 3: Year Doug collins as the head. Coach you guys are

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Speaker 3: going through with with With detroit at the. Time in the,

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Speaker 3: playoffs your FIRST i mean you jumped into real. Ship

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Speaker 3: what was it like your first couple of years kind

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Speaker 3: of navigating as a, player getting the starting, position who you're.

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Speaker 2: Playing, with how how tough the league? Is what were

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Speaker 1: Like? Confusing WHEN i say, confusing and in terms of

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Speaker 1: enforcer you, Know detroit kicking the eye ass every. Year

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Speaker 1: way in terms of the expectation and what did you,

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Speaker 1: know uh M j expected of. Us it was those

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Speaker 1: first two, years, man you know it. Was it was,

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Speaker 1: And Pill Doug colin was the. COACH i remember this.

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Speaker 1: Vividly that. Summer you, know of, course you know we'll

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Speaker 1: met out in the fucking forest. PRESERVE i had two

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Speaker 1: cases of. Beer me and that dude sat there and we,

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Speaker 1: spilled you, know our feelings about that first year and

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Speaker 1: about the motherfuckers that we didn't, like and all of that, shit,

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Speaker 1: people is your Guy mantilz Hell man since nineteen eighty,

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Speaker 1: seven that always would be my fucking. Dude we were

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Speaker 1: other ship you, know as you should and just, see let's,

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Speaker 1: understan it ain't gotta be. Explained, yeah and uh we

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Speaker 1: just you, know we leaned on each other from day,

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Speaker 1: we were so successful as. Teammates phil arrives M Obviously

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Speaker 2: Way phil is a whole different. Way you feel it was.

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Speaker 2: Ship that ship was over With. PHIL i love that

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Speaker 1: Rip. Fuck. Yeah even as a motherfucking, assistant he was.

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Speaker 2: Good, okay you saw.

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Speaker 3: Man SO i didn't know he was on he was

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Speaker 3: on the bench. Already he was already on the. Staff,

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Speaker 3: OKAY i didn't know, That yeah he.

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Speaker 1: Was he was on this, man and, Man doug was

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Speaker 4: In But phil.

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Speaker 1: WAS i, Mean doug would fucking yell at, us AND

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Speaker 1: i was, like, man try to take your confidence and.

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Speaker 1: Ship phil would come and tell it to you the right.

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Speaker 4: Way then you.

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Speaker 1: Understand it more. Better. Communicator, yes, yeah, man when he came,

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Speaker 1: in that motherfucker and he became head. Coach man me

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Speaker 1: And pitt was happy as.

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Speaker 2: Fuck So phil comes in and it's.

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Speaker 3: Instant you feel, it and the effect the whole team

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Speaker 3: was feeling what you were.

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Speaker 4: Man you, know.

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Speaker 1: If you Know, doug you know he was just a fiery,

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Speaker 1: guy fiery coach and no disrespect to. Him But phil

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Speaker 1: knew how to communicate with with. Players you, know all

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Speaker 1: that zen ship that he was, studying all the weed

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Speaker 1: and mushrooms he was smoking back In New york with The,

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Speaker 1: knicks you, know, Allegedly but he just brought us together

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Speaker 1: and he was there for a couple of years With

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Speaker 1: Us and you, know he brought that damn triangle of

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Speaker 1: fencing and and had TOLD. Mj you, know we're gonna

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Speaker 1: need you in the four. Court you, don't you don't

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Speaker 1: need to put all their energy out. Here you brought

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Speaker 3: Triangle and this is no knock ON mc BECAUSE i

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Speaker 3: had to learn it With. Kobe and it's different because

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Speaker 3: if guys know it and get it, quick they can

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Speaker 3: else's spot they're supposed to go. To what was learning?

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Speaker 3: That because this is new to everyone at that? Time

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Speaker 1: Them by?

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Speaker 2: Now, yes, okay so what's?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: What what was it like trying to learn that?

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Speaker 4: Triangle, Man, LISTEN i travel a lot for THE.

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Speaker 1: NBA i MEAN i travel all over the, world Traveled

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Speaker 1: china a, lot AND i bought that Rosella stone, ship

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Speaker 1: tried to Learn. Mandarin that was just like trying to learn.

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Speaker 4: That damn. TRYING i took. That DAMN i.

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Speaker 1: TOOK i took Rovela stone back And i'm, LIKE i

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Speaker 1: couldn't take the. Triangle BUT i remember the late Great

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Speaker 1: Johnny bok who was ah and dealing with the defense

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Speaker 1: texts winning was the, offense and he was like a

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Speaker 1: mentor to. Me he calls me over And i'll never forget.

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Speaker 1: It he was Like horace BECAUSE i it was tough for.

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Speaker 1: Me he was, like do you know what the food bar?

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Speaker 1: Is i'm, like, coach what's the? Football he, said right?

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Speaker 1: Now you are fucked up beyond. Recognition i'm, like, oh

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Speaker 1: that's a fool bar and he was, like you got

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Speaker 1: to get this ship, right and he used to keep

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Speaker 1: the second team there with me after. Everybody. Yeah, Yeah

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Speaker 1: AND i got that. Ship and WHEN i learned that,

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Speaker 1: ship it was, like, damn this ship is so. Simple

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Speaker 1: this ship is so. Much you get, it, yeah, once

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Speaker 1: once you get, it because it has so many, options

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Speaker 1: you take away four or. Five then you then you

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Speaker 1: got guys like M j know knowing they're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be in certain, places but they knew that that the

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Speaker 1: ball won't be there and their asses are right.

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Speaker 3: There so we're talking about it's, funny it's this was

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Speaker 3: my first.

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Speaker 1: Year, obviously you guys got to learn it.

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Speaker 3: Together but if you know where you're supposed to be

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Speaker 3: and you're going to that spot and you See kobe,

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Speaker 3: go obviously you're not going to fucking.

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Speaker 1: Go So i'm, like where the DO i? Go? Now

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Speaker 1: AM i supposed to? Be what AM i supposed to?

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Speaker 1: Do many TIMES i was over in that corner like

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Speaker 1: this many, TIMES i. Understand, Yeah and if that's don't

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Speaker 1: always give away the secrets of the triangle. Either WHEN

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Speaker 1: i was, there they'd be, like just watch the guy

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Speaker 3: Right so when so Into phil's, tenure when did you

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Speaker 3: guys really finally feel like you guys clicked as a.

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Speaker 1: TEAM i would say when we took The pistol to seven.

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Speaker 1: GAMES i think it's An Eastern conference one ninety Ninety, okay,

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Speaker 1: yeah we took them to the seven, games and you,

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Speaker 1: know unfortunately.

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Speaker 4: Had the migraine.

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Speaker 1: HEADACHES i think If pitt was, healthy we were probably

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Speaker 1: beating them. Then but from that point, on we knew

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Speaker 1: that we had the numbers and that that summer man

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Speaker 1: everybody was working, out were hooping. Together and the next,

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Speaker 1: year you, know we go go in and sweep.

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Speaker 3: There but this is an OLD i, mean this is

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Speaker 3: a talented, team but they used physicality as a weapon against.

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Speaker 1: You. Guys soon as you, retaliate you go back at.

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Speaker 1: Him get. Done they got you because they're in your

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Speaker 1: head because you're Thinking i'm gonna go up and you,

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Speaker 1: know try to dunk or. Whatever they undercut you and you,

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Speaker 1: retaliate it's completely. Over AND i remember that year when

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Speaker 1: we swept. Him Dennis, rodman you can kind of go

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Speaker 1: in and look it UP i mean Push pip into the,

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Speaker 1: backstand And pip didn't.

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Speaker 4: Retaliate and they knew it was.

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Speaker 1: Over Even John sally told, me When pip didn't, react

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Speaker 1: we knew it was.

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Speaker 3: Over the year y'all swept. Him is that when they

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Speaker 3: left the court? Early, yeah what was your thoughts behind that?

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Speaker 1: Bullshit, WELL i already told you. Know they got their

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Speaker 1: got their ball and they went home like, bitches you.

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Speaker 4: KNOW i mean it.

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Speaker 3: Was because we Had isaiah here AND i understood him

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Speaker 1: Was but to, me that's it was. WEAK i, mean

439
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: when they kicked our, ass we had to take. It

440
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: we took. It we sat, there you, know bring it

441
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: back to the, east that's. ALL i, mean that's what we,

442
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: say bring it, back bring it back. Home but that

443
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: walking off and all, that you, know and you KNOW

444
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: i spoken the, sail spoken to the, worm and you

445
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: know they you, know they still Protect. ZEKE i love Z.

446
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 4: YEAH i loved it. TOO i loved it to.

447
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: IT i sat here and listened to him telling, him

448
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: LIKE i feel. You but BUT i mean when three

449
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: years in the road they kicked, OUT i mean. BEAT

450
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: i mean WHEN i say, BEAT i mean literally beat our,

451
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: ass but you know that's water under the, bridge and you,

452
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: know three to six championships.

453
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 3: Later, hey so you averaged fourteen and nine during Your

454
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: guys three year. Run you're kind of the third star

455
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: on the, team more of a, defenser, enforcer rebounder roll

456
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 3: who freed up guys Like pip and to kind of

457
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: do their. Thing how long did it take you to

458
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 3: embrace because again we're just talking to college twenty shots

459
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: twenty five, shots you, know so you're going to a

460
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: situation where you got to be more efficient with less.

461
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: Opportunity, man let me tell, you, man that was one

462
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: of the most difficult TRANSITION i ever, had coming in from,

463
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: averaging you, know being that start being the acc player

464
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: of The year and The Tripper crown winner to rebounding

465
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: and play playing. DEFENSE i mean that, Ego, man got

466
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 1: a fucking check bro That i'm, like, Damn AND i

467
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: think that's one reason WHY i Push oak every day

468
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: Because i'm, like, MAN i Know i'm better than you

469
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 1: know just. Rebounding but as you get older and you learn,

470
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: that you, know you got SCORES mj and Then pip came.

471
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: Along you got shooters Like packs AND Bj Craig, hodgs

472
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: and so FOR i had to play my, role and

473
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: that role, was you, know, rebound play, defense and when

474
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: the opportunity presented, itself hit that fifteen to seventeen foot

475
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: jumper whenever the motherfucker's passed me the.

476
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: Ball so did you feel because obviously.

477
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: In a different, situation numbers would have probably been, higher

478
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: but you sacrificed for your. Role did you feel like you.

479
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: Were valued by your teammates and by the? Organization oh, yeah,

480
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: okay you know.

481
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: In terms of they, know IF i didn't do my,

482
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: job they couldn't do. That, NO i don't think championships,

483
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: well BECAUSE i had to keep those powerfuls Like, Oak Kevin,

484
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: Willis buck With Charles, barclay so many OTHER i had,

485
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: to you, know try to contain, them keep them off

486
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: the board and not from scoring things of that. Nature

487
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: AND i ununderstood my value with the, team and they

488
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: understood my value.

489
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: Also nineteen ninety, three you guys make it to the,

490
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: Finals Phoenix. Suns you have the clinching assist To paxson

491
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 3: and the key block On Kevin.

492
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: Johnson and that's. Here let's take a look right.

493
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: Here look at this young. AGE i can run there swing.

494
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: Man that's. It you See Danny ainge's little ass coming

495
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: down this JOY i was about to dunk that then

496
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: he brothers little ass.

497
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: Down, there perfect.

498
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: Past, yeah that was. Beautiful.

499
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: Man what'd you play at about two twenty?

500
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: Five, yeah about about two Thirty, okay, yeah right, here oh,

501
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: man mj oh got man give me? That, yes, sir clean.

502
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 3: Too what's that feeling like right? There the clinching block

503
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: to end? It you play it going up against a

504
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: Tough Kevin johnson Obviously Charles. Barkley Is Charles BARKLEY mvp that?

505
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: Season, yes, yes we would Like, well whenever you go

506
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: up to against a team and that team has AN

507
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: mvp on, it you know it's gonna be. Special but

508
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: PLAYING i Mean chuck is around sixty, four six four.

509
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: And a half maybe six.

510
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: Five going up against him for six game maybe seven,

511
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: game series man was one of THE toughest i.

512
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: Ever played but.

513
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: That Shot What john packson made man was one of the,

514
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: BIGGEST shots i would Say In chicago. Bulls history and

515
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: the LAST time i Spoke To kevin johnson maybe a

516
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 1: couple of, years ago he was mayor Up, in SACRAMENTO and,

517
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: i said kJ if your asked were about, six three

518
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: you probably would have got. The hilt he, was, like hold,

519
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: you know damn where you. Filed me, i'm like.

520
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 4: Absolutely clean it, was, clean man.

521
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 3: Six' ten talk to us a little Bit, it ABOUT

522
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: barkley because i think a lot of this Generation only

523
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: knows barkley as.

524
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: A media personality but he was a.

525
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: Bad, motherfucker man man no holes in this game except,

526
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 3: maybe hustling sometimes.

527
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: Well let me tell you about. That hustle shit but

528
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: there was no holes. In this game you knew he

529
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: was gonna get the. Ball. Thirty times man and back

530
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: then you didn't have this rule with, five second rule you.

531
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: Get the ball didn't they create that? Because?

532
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: Of HIM yeah and i mean his ass was fucking

533
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 4: bigger than.

534
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: Just. Fucking room, Man you know i'm gonna, pause on,

535
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: that but yeah his, ass Was big, and, i'm, like

536
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: damn man he used to back. My. Ass down, MAN i'm,

537
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: like i mean And Then, and phil jackson if, you

538
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: know him he don't, like. To double man he would

539
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: like to let somebody eat your ass up until he.

540
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: Has to, double but man Much. RESPECT to chuck i

541
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: mean he brought it every. In the night but on,

542
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: the other end listen man, for SOME reason because i didn't.

543
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: Get the, ball a lot.

544
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: And they Put They put magic, johnson on Me They

545
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: put larry, barry on Me And. Put charles barklay that's mean,

546
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: in my.

547
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 4: Head.

548
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: THAT'S disrespectful guy i know y'all. Gonna play defense, they,

549
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: was like harsh we know they ain't gonna pass you. The,

550
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 1: fucking BALL yeah then i have to go to the

551
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: glass and get it. Off the glass AND that's why

552
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: i made my name getting. No offensive rebounds let's back

553
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: it up. A little bit Ninety, One verse magic this.

554
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: Broke my Heart i'm.

555
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: A laker guy guys going there and this is kind

556
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 3: of the end of a great Run.

557
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: For the lakers? What was?

558
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: That like this that's the the switch hand.

559
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: LAYUP too right i think, everybody was nervous EXCEPT for

560
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: probably Mj and Maybe bill cart right being the veteran,

561
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: of that team because you're going. Up. Against history man when,

562
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: you say history You, talk the LAKERS and that i

563
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: ain't To Stay, With Maggie johnson James Word, and byron scott.

564
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: All Of them sam perkins was. On that, TEAM me personally.

565
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: I was nervous i was. Nervous as ship and but

566
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: after that First Game when sam perkin hit that three

567
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: to put them UP and then mj had a chance.

568
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: To win it we had a chance TO win with

569
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: mj shot and if you look at that ball and

570
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: went right in and came out and after, after that

571
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: game and we had confidence, for some reason we had Confidence,

572
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: that we yeah and then the second game and then

573
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: we go and uh take care of business and Uh

574
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: that Great western for did you.

575
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: Guys party in la or go back home and? Party,

576
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 3: Or both OKAY i'm just. I Don't know i'm i'm

577
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: eleven years old.

578
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: AT this time i. Know.

579
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 4: What's, Happening, man listen.

580
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Man WE party when i, say, we party man we

581
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: were fucking rock. Stars looking Man That was michael Jackson

582
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: and the jackson five over Here and the. Beatles over here, we,

583
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: was listen bro it was a Great.

584
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 4: Time in la where'd?

585
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: You guys? Go?

586
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: Remember? Hotel okay everyone the party, Came, to, Y'ALL.

587
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: Yes sir i MEAN when when i, said it. Came

588
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: it came and then when we Got, BACK to chicago

589
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: i don't think we slept for a.

590
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: Couple of days worm, Out, there now.

591
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: Yes, and man listen they kept the bars open. All.

592
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: That shit man it. Was real, nice so, obviously you

593
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: know you guys.

594
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: Get three straight but after, that first, one they say

595
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: the toughest one is to, get the second and then

596
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: the toughest one you. Get the third so what's you

597
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: guys are Going up against Clyde and the blazers. In

598
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: ninety two what is what is your mindset? Throughout the

599
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 3: season you get, your first taste you get, your first

600
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 3: one You knock. A.

601
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: Dynasty album now how? What's the what what's the what's

602
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: the mentality of the team? AT this, time i mean

603
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: you got to Give Kudos. To phil jackson he kept

604
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: us grounded and he told us every single, game you

605
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: play it's gonna be. That team best even back in

606
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: The day the clipper. Wasn't that good What's? Another badass Kings?

607
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: Okay the kings he, was like no, he, was like

608
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: yeah they're going to give you. Their best game and

609
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: that's the mindset we had going. Into that season because when, you're,

610
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: on top. Man it's great it's great. Up there, man

611
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: you know you get all the perks and.

612
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 4: The accolades and.

613
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: Things like that you don't pay for meals. Drinks and

614
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: ship yeah you get the females and, all that, shit,

615
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: all right okay but yeah you get all the accolades

616
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: and things.

617
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: Of that nature But.

618
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: Playing against markland man one of the most athletic teams

619
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: ever played played with men Played, Against, Rather, clyde Terry, Porter, The,

620
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: lake Jerome, Curtsey.

621
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 2: Duck, Worth, Uncle Buck, William.

622
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: Uncle man uncle, cliff, WITH listen man i ain't like to, see,

623
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: him coming man he can shoot that ship post up

624
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: game athletic and about sixteen, sixty eleven man much of

625
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: respect to.

626
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: My brother.

627
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: Tough so? Three straight championships what's your?

628
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: WHAT'S that, like i.

629
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: Mean it hasn't been done very often in the history,

630
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Of the game but you guys.

631
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: Get three straight.

632
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: When, you're on top you want, to, Stay there man

633
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: you truly want, to stay there and you do anything and,

634
00:35:52,280 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: sacrifice your vacations your your YOUR life now i don't want,

635
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: to say life but your vacations and and. Your your

636
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: friendships and that's what we had to do to win,

637
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: that third one because that second one, was so difficult and, that,

638
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: third one man it was that third one mentally just

639
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: were on us because every single night it was their

640
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: best game and plus that we could not do anything

641
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: off the court that would jeopardize us. Losing our, focus

642
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: that's man but you still got to live though and.

643
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Still have fun like? What's it like what?

644
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: Is IT like BECAUSE i mean i got a chance

645
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: To play With alan iverson h off the court as,

646
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 3: A Rock, Star kobe steph i've got to play with

647
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: some real. Life rock stars you were playing With em

648
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: and pip and your. In, yourself respectively like what's it

649
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: like off the court when you guys are moving around

650
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: the restaurants or going to, Bars, or clubs like what is?

651
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: This fandom like because you guys are the best team

652
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: in the world. At, this time man look at me.

653
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: Sorting, rubbing, his knees like let me tell, You, school

654
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: here hey what the Crease in? Your jesus.

655
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 4: Man. WE it, was.

656
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean right now you, Have You know luca lebron

657
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: and you know, And the crew but it was.

658
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 4: Nothing.

659
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: Like that man, in the nineties we get, the private

660
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: room even coming through the restaurant going to. THE private,

661
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: room i mean.

662
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: People going crazy and this, is before, cameras, phone.

663
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: Man listen we had all this social media, wouldn't be, Here,

664
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: no way, bro, wait listen man thank you For not

665
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: having but even when we land, at the, airport you

666
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: know from the plane, to the. BUS it's, people i

667
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: mean like a caravan of cars following the bus. To

668
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: the hotel you're getting inside the, hotel straight, up real

669
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: talk and the hotel lobby is just filled with people

670
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: and they got it roped, off and stuff and you

671
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: know everybody. Does seem respectfully we'll, just you know.

672
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: Get our keys, and mozone.

673
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: Up. Mozone up man it Was Like the jackson's jackson Five. And.

674
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: The, beatles bro, yeah.

675
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: It was man so you make four straight defensive teams

676
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 3: from ninety three. To ninety six who are some? Of

677
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: the guys give me maybe three guys that you knew

678
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 3: you had to get your sleep?

679
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: The?

680
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: Night before.

681
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: MAN oh gosh, i, would say uh. IT'S a combination,

682
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: i would say. Everyone all right and.

683
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 2: He, taught shit too huh while?

684
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: You, doing it man. That, WHITE motherfucker yeah. I never,

685
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: knew you know you SEE, him on, tv you know

686
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: and when you go.

687
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: Up against you was.

688
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: LIKE hell NO i mean i remember one day we

689
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: Were playing The celtics and Berry were giving pip numbers in.

690
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: THE first Half i think larry had, about twenty one twenty,

691
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: two and halftime. Never forget this we're going to, The

692
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: you know peel safe stuff and, He, say hard okay you,

693
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: got Him now, And i'm, like i'm Taller stronger. Than pip, right,

694
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: i'm like man ain't no fucking way. This dude on

695
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: this motherfucker, said TO me, and i quote Are you

696
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: serious they're gonna put you? On me now, and you

697
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: know me being a, proud, TRIED like yeah. I got

698
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: it this motherfucker, SAID to, me i mean This is

699
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: what i'm gonna. Do to you he, told you, no,

700
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: he no man he told me This ship, and i'm,

701
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: like fuck, This you know. I'm being physical that. Motherfucker

702
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: DID it and I. GO to, Pill, i said pip

703
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: this motherfucker, just told me and he was and he

704
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Called me g, he, was like gee don't. Go for

705
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: it don't go. For His ship, And, i'm saying okay

706
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: next time he say some, SHIP like that i ain't gonna.

707
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: Go for it he. DID it again i didn't. Go

708
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: for it that motherfuckers scored feels. Like, double team yeah

709
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: this motherfucker he said Double Team with larry bird and

710
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: the next two.

711
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 4: My brothers don't.

712
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: Get. Their Flowers man rashid, wallace cold, man this, man

713
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: listen man.

714
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: And he has a. Post up Game People.

715
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: Listen, RASHID wallace MAN i knew i had to get

716
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: my motherfucking sleep and.

717
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: Uh D C, There.

718
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: Derek Coleman Lefty when derrick coleman's, on his, Game, bro

719
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: man man those two guys right There Along. WITH larry bird.

720
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: I love it what? Was?

721
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 4: Coochs?

722
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: COACH like different a lot of hype coming out and

723
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: and came and landed.

724
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 2: With you guys what was?

725
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: This game like man watching watching uh t K Against

726
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: The Olympic team dream team dream piples on his. Ass whole,

727
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: Time oh, man i'm, Like oh, ship i'm like this.

728
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: IS what, coming i mean they they. Whipped his ass

729
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: but when, he got there a whole. Fucking different story, he, was.

730
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: Calm cool collective one of THE greatest teammates. I ever

731
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: had i mean in terms of. Being not selfish can

732
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: fucking shoot the ball if you open, To, sixt eleven

733
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: yeah if you open and he's, gonna, give you man.

734
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna yeah one of. THE best teammates.

735
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,919
Speaker 3: I love, that right here, your signature glasses, THEY say

736
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: technically i don't know if it's like he was legally blind.

737
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: Without these Things that's why. I'm believing PHYSICALS, IN the

738
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: nba i took A damn. Physical i passed. I'M legally

739
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: blind i. CAN'T see nothing.

740
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 4: I can't, See i'm Like, I'm like Ray charles. And steven,

741
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 4: Wasn't i'm, LIKE i'm like.

742
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: I found out, Because you know peel give it us

743
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: books And ship and i'm reading the damn, books like this.

744
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 4: And then the coach, come out hard what? Are you,

745
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: Doing i'm like i'm.

746
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 2: Reading the book, he was like when, we get back

747
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: we're going to check your, eyes.

748
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: Right.

749
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: Here legally, blind, I'M like so.

750
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: I got this phobia about putting my finger with context

751
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: toward my eyes that can't wear glass asses out, there,

752
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: and say okay you got. The prescription goggles, i'm sitting

753
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: there you know. PIPLS right, Here, I said man i

754
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: got to wear these. Motherfuckers Right here but i'm gonna

755
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: wear these and look at me and not. QUOTE pill

756
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: man i dare your ass to where those are no

757
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: fucking glasses if, you know, me AND man where, i

758
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: COME from How, I grew, OKAY damn me i did

759
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: that ship and that particularly night though, goggles were born,

760
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: Because you know kareem And and uh elijah want had,

761
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: the round ones but this ship was some. From OUR space, AND.

762
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: I asked i asked this, respectfully as possible did you

763
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: ever wear them off the court when you're hanging. Out

764
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: with females, Then, HE said horace i wanted to see

765
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 3: you with, Them glasses on so you butt ass naked

766
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: with your glasses on at least Once AT.

767
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 4: Least and i had my. Burgen starts, on that's. He

768
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: that's HE that's why i had so.

769
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: Many different, pairs, and, uh yeah guys get THREE p

770
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: m j goes.

771
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: To play baseball what's kind of the thought process of

772
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 3: kind of we. Just got three but the one thing

773
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: you did say was it. Was mentally draining so after

774
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: those three, he steps away where's?

775
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: Your mind that, at that time man as, a collective

776
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: group our minds because you hear, all the, Time You

777
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: know michael Jordans, and the jordaneers and we wanted to prove,

778
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: that we, could you know, PLAY without him i mean.

779
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: When he retired we got together that summer and we

780
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: had a few meetings and everybody, was all in all,

781
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: in that summer and, if you remember we won fifty

782
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: five games That year and pip got.

783
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: Quite a few.

784
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 2: Votes for YOUR FINALISTS, for mvp.

785
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: Mvp AND myself and Bj Made the. All STAR Team

786
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: the dj armstrong shout, out. To you kid but we

787
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: had something to prove THAT we were. Nba basketball players

788
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: and if it was not for that damn phantom Foul

789
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: Against The, New York Knicks, hewett davis, hugh the referee

790
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: gave That foul to pip and we, lose that game

791
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: but we came back beat Them in in chicago and

792
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: we took him To Took the new york to a.

793
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: Seven game series but one of, THE best, years i

794
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: think even though we Didn't, win the chip one of

795
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: the best Years that.

796
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 3: The, Bulls, had, man now obviously, do you guys, obviously

797
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: you hear but there's no. Social media time but obviously

798
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: there's conspiracy theories and thoughts where he's stepping away. Because

799
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: of gambling did you guys hear any of that ship

800
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: that you just knew that he wanted to go.

801
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: Play, some baseball man people don't know in terms of he,

802
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: lost his dad.

803
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 4: The trauma that a guy like that.

804
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: Have no privacy, losing his dad and the wear and

805
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: tear on you mentally can take a. Toll on you

806
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: and he just wanted, to, GIVE away man i think

807
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: and uh.

808
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: And pursuit baseball.

809
00:46:54,680 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: We never heard gambling and all of that ship because

810
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: in our mind we had something to prove to ourselves

811
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: and the fans and The city of chicago that we

812
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: have a legitimate chance to.

813
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 4: Win without him you guys.

814
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: Still talking to him while he's away or you're just

815
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: locked in. On this team he.

816
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: Used to come in and.

817
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: Practice with?

818
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: Her oh really yeah he was. Still, coming practice okay

819
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: still coming to practice and, then you know. Of course, baseball, but, yeah.

820
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah okay leaving And. Heading to orlando how?

821
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: Did?

822
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: That, happen money yeah, Talk to us talk to us

823
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 2: IN terms.

824
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: Of i Mean.

825
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: If if chicago had to offer me, SOMETHING around there

826
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: i would have stayed with the crazy. The crazy Shit me.

827
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: And pip talk WE talked before i made that. Decision

828
00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: to leave we talked for hours aris scenario of me,

829
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: leaving or staying and it was. That's my dude it, was.

830
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: Fucking emotional man and it was just a business decision,

831
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: in terms, of you know helping. A team, win three

832
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: chips chips and then going to play with A, Young Shack, Penny,

833
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: Nick anderson Dennis. Scott bro man that WAS the opportunity i.

834
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: Couldn't pass up and it, was a. Great GREAT journey

835
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: and i, TELL people this. I don't know i probably

836
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: would Have gave the bulls A discount if I know

837
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: the mj. Was coming back.

838
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: But before before we Get to, the orlando run because

839
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: you had some great young stars, on that team you

840
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: were the vat coming in, with three belts three. Chips

841
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 3: on you How Good was, scotty PIPPIN though because i

842
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: think obviously still, to this day he just did a

843
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 3: commercial recently about, being no, no No no uh?

844
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: Scotty was what.

845
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: He Just had a, commerce, soda Commercial right mister pibb

846
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: where it was a little a little jab at being

847
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 3: the second, BEST allegedly Whatever i haven't.

848
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 4: Pip go, Nigga.

849
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: Listen, MAN but right i mean people don't they underestimate

850
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 1: this dude.

851
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 4: Was right man in, ninety ninety.

852
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: One when We played the lakers, in the finals magic WAS.

853
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: Given m j you, Know, Too big YEAH phil put.

854
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: Pip on him it changed the dynamic. Of that finals

855
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: you Asked any of pip's teammates who, played with him.

856
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 4: He was one of the.

857
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: Most great leaders he didn't. Have to yo he would

858
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: talk To you like phil would, talk to you and,

859
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: he would, say all right, you GO here but i

860
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: got your. Back over here and that's all. His Teammates

861
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: needed but i'm gonna find out what the fuck is going.

862
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: On behind that that's THE d m, j and practice what?

863
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: Was he like that motherfucker was like he don't like

864
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: to lose and ship as you know in practice when

865
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: when He fucking hit will. Purdueing The eye then will

866
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: got on the bus looking like fucking that Dog from

867
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: From little radscal pete put the black spot gambling this

868
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: playing what's it like on The Plane gambling revy.

869
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 4: And this, is another.

870
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: Story all right you know How we gambled gamber on

871
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: THE plane and mj didn't carry a lot of, cash,

872
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: with him right SO. We playing tnk this motherfucker h

873
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: ran out of cash and, he, was, like gee, uh you,

874
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: know little. Man a thousand i'm, SAYING to myself i.

875
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: Love this ship give, me a thousand, play another hour

876
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: hour and, a half whatever losing ge you, Got another

877
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: thousand i'm. Saying to myself i'm loving this ship, because

878
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: you know. Lose lose that then the plane land and

879
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: uh after he as he's getting, OFF the plan, i HOWLED,

880
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: him m j don't forget to bring my. Fucking money

881
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: tomorrow that motherfucker, Was, so, mad bro listen this motherfucker

882
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: got so mad he got. There BEFORE everybody, WHEN i,

883
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: arrived i said and you. Got my cash that mother

884
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: had two bands of two stacks of hundred hundred, dollars

885
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: CRISPY bills and i put my hand out. Like that,

886
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: Threw i'm like i'll. Give a fuck i'm getting on

887
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: one of the MOST, him and covid two of the.

888
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: Most competitive motherfuckers, and, EVERYTHING everything bro i mean. Every

889
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: fucking thing, and ANOTHER story when i, was a Rookie

890
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: me and pill and we didn't.

891
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 2: Have private planes oh you had, the, commercial still.

892
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: Yeah and you have, to go, downstairs you know get your.

893
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: Luggage and ship this motherfucker. Bet on that he was

894
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: like that would. Come, Out first yeah and this motherfucker

895
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: took so much, money Off me and, pip was like?

896
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: What the fuck then find out this motherfucker Was paying

897
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: par that goddamn Dude.

898
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 4: Ain't, no back then we.

899
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: Ain't making, money, and listen, man every fucking every fucking

900
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: nickel counted and this motherfucker paying this. Dude, his bags

901
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: man he was he took some fun Serious. Mothers of kobe.

902
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: I've had people tell me who people who Were close

903
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 3: To jordan and kobe would try to ask A.

904
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: Lot about mj did he do? That? With you yeah

905
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: he ALWAYS asked about mj and gave him. Stories and

906
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: stuff but he got dial in when HE, and m,

907
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: j you, know locked in locked in and mother folks

908
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: dial There. WAS he yeah i was so happy that

909
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: he was, on, my, team, right, Yeah yeah absolutely.

910
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: So let's let's let's get. Back to You land in

911
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: orlando obviously.

912
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 3: A tough decision if you knew and, was coming back

913
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 3: you might have, Gave a discount but you're landing with

914
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: arguably the greatest big man all time and someone who

915
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 3: is probably one of the biggest what ifs ever As

916
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: Talented as. Penny hardaway was what was it like with,

917
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 3: Those two, guys and again you're kind of coming in,

918
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 3: as a vet someone, who's DONE it so i know

919
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: they're leaning on you for knowledge.

920
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: And game experience what was that Situation?

921
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: Like in orlando one of THE best experience, I ever

922
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: had matt in terms of going to a team who

923
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: just Lost to think indiana someone in the, in the

924
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: playoffs having a guy a young.

925
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: Shock stopped there what's a what's a young shock like

926
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 3: on and? OFF the court i want TO know because

927
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 3: i got him later when he was just fucking around

928
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 3: with everybody body?

929
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: Wasn't, doing that hey it's, ten. Times round man that

930
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: dude would give you the shirt. Off his, back. Great

931
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: guy prankster but when it, came, to balling man don't fucking, make,

932
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: it mad man don't. Not making mad one of the

933
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: GREATEST human beings i ever. Been associated with but this

934
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: dude would just get the ball off rebounds and if the,

935
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: lane is open taking all the fucking. Way block shots

936
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: just he's pulling down backboards at. This, time too yeah

937
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: he just, you, Just nasty man. That's fucking nasty but,

938
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: THE thing is i remember him picking me up from

939
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 1: the airport or THE hotel when i was a free. Agent,

940
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: coming over oh when he was trying. To court, you,

941
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah great job man told, you Huh, Yeah

942
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: oh man but one. Thing sold me he, picks me

943
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: up and this motherfucker Is. In a, porsche i'm like

944
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: how in the hell you fit your ass In. A

945
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: motherfucking porsche. It was magic no pun attended because HE

946
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: got his i mean It. Was a porsche sitting in. The,

947
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: backseat though man he sending shit like ten feet, from,

948
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: back There man, and, i'm LIKE damn then. I get

949
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: in it was a fucking Customer.

950
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 4: Ass.

951
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: Motherfucking porsche bro that. Shit was, nice, I'm like okay,

952
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: i'm coming here my. Name On It and penny hardaway

953
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: cold six seven six, EIGHT um, shooter i. Mean, rebounder

954
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: Assists man i q off. The GAME unbelievable how i

955
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: pray and wish that he would. Not got injured we're

956
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: talking about top fifteen twenty. Of all time, I'm telling

957
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: You i'm Telling i've seen shaq go, to, the bench

958
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: foul trouble or just follow. Out The game penny hardaway takes. Over.

959
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: That shit man we don't. Even, look back yeah he

960
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: was just that fucking bad bro telling.

961
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: You right now some.

962
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: Of the moves that he made athletically. DURING the, game

963
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: i mean it's that. Shit was real what was he like?

964
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: Off the court we don't really hear Too much About Penny,

965
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: quiet well okay this shit didn't party none. Of that

966
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: shit and that Was Just like cob coke didn't party all,

967
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: that Shit either but. Penny just no that motherfucker was,

968
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: on The game bro and when he came in the

969
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: game and you saw it on his fucking face and,

970
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: he was like we, Got this shit it's. Time.

971
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: To go yeah so you're not accustomed to doing what

972
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: happened in Ninety. Five against houston you don't lose.

973
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: In the finals so what was that?

974
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 3: Ninety five Experience like with kenny someone you got to play.

975
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: Against in College, obviously a keen one of the greatest big.

976
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: Men all time they had A good good robert or

977
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 3: they had A Good. Young sam cassell what was? That

978
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: team like Oh.

979
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: THE stork man i THOUGHT seriously.

980
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: That i had, my next championship, no disrespect, to of Course.

981
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: THE dream Rob i think Clyde Was on Clydeep, Clyde,

982
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: and sam robert. The whole, crew i'm like we got

983
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: this ship because we we won sixty games that that

984
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: year and UH beat uh mj and Them the, whole i'm,

985
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: LIKE hell yeah i. Got Another ONE fucking then i

986
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: woke up to A nightmare called keema. Lajawan, this, mouth

987
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: listen man this dude do not get enough fucking credit

988
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: to being one of the best fucking sinners.

989
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: Of all time.

990
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: OF all time i mean he and You, can ask

991
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: shack you can go back and. Look at it. Shot

992
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: couldn't do and then the coach at The Time. Was

993
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: brian hill, He, was like, harsh you know we go.

994
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: Get you, Something oh, man, I'M like fuck i had

995
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: been partying the, night Before anyway, and i'm like sh

996
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: this dude was, every fucking, move every rebound it was

997
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: like it's like, dancing. Out there man and Then You

998
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: got robert ri Then you got kenny hitting. Fucking three

999
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: pointers so after we lost that first game and then

1000
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: we kind of got deflated, a little bit and then

1001
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: they went on to kick our ass four straight and,

1002
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: Even after then i'm thinking we're getting back to the

1003
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: fucking finals. With, that squad yeah but. It never happened

1004
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: that's why you don't take.

1005
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: Shit for granted le's for one a LITTLE bit because

1006
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 3: I forgot when mj came back with. The forty five,

1007
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 3: YES that, like, i mean obviously you those, are your.

1008
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 3: Dogs pipsure guy you guys. WON three, straight mj leaves

1009
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 3: he comes back and you guys meet him.

1010
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: In, the playoffs well a lot of, people, ALWAYS say

1011
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: well mj had half a year in, which, HE did.

1012
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: Right mj, wasn't, i'm, LIKE man listen i don't want to.

1013
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: Hear that shit because he goes To Motherfucking uh new

1014
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: York and give john. Start fifty five so he was

1015
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: SO he WAS. Mj was mj, uh that year we

1016
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: just we were. A. Better team uh we were just clicking, that,

1017
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 1: that year man and You know with nick steps still,

1018
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: In that ball penny, doing his. Thing Shack me brian

1019
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: shaw was. On, the team uh shout Out. To beat

1020
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: shaw but we were just a better. Team that year?

1021
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: What was that was it?

1022
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 3: A bitter sweet obviously you want to win and get?

1023
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 3: To the funds what was? It bitter sweet?

1024
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: Beating? Your? Guys though?

1025
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: Now fuck it we just.

1026
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: Ain't no, squeen see, LISTEN bro man i remember when we,

1027
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: We beat them, and of, course you know spending six YEARS. With,

1028
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: m J there m j WAS pissed and I was

1029
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: told i. DIDN'T see it i was told He got

1030
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: his poorsche Out Of the united center and, just, you

1031
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: know yeah like like the police chasing and ship And

1032
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: me and pitt went out to went, out to dinner,

1033
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: and you KNOW of course i let, him have it

1034
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: and uh, he, WAS like yeah, I got us. We'll see,

1035
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: you you know didn't know that it was going to be.

1036
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: The next year that, fucking, next listen? Man what's that

1037
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: it was on a mission? That next, YEAR hell yeah

1038
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: i mean when you Go and Get. Dennis, rock robin yeah,

1039
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: for the record he had To have A hall of famer.

1040
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 4: To, beat, me.

1041
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah so but they were a better.

1042
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 4: TEAM that year i think we were just.

1043
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 1: Thinking about, the previous year, and you know with WITH

1044
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: the m J being, M j man i knew personally

1045
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: he was going to come back with. The fucking vengeance

1046
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: yeah that. Mother he came he came back with. The.

1047
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 1: Vengeance too respect.

1048
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 2: Shaq Sold the orlando.

1049
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 3: Magic to you you guys have your couple with you, Two,

1050
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 3: years together shack?

1051
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: We's three Four you? See shaq leave how did that?

1052
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: Hurt? YOUR heart man i will never. FUCKING forget this

1053
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: I would, NEVER that summer i went home to visit My.

1054
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: Parents in, georgia YOU know when, i go, Home you

1055
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: know i'm At. Home in georgia shaq called me about three.

1056
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: OR four times. I didn't answer i think it was

1057
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: telling me that he was going To go to la.

1058
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: He WAS leaving when i found out, THAT he, Left

1059
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: I thought mike tyson hit me in. MY fucking Stomach

1060
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: I thought mike tyson had hit me so fucking.

1061
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 2: Hard it was it was such.

1062
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 1: A fucking blow but, business is BUSINESS and and i will,

1063
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: never Forget This. The orlando magic some writer put, in

1064
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: the paper it's shack worth, one hundred million and then

1065
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: the community down there at that. Time said no and

1066
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 1: when when you do that.

1067
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 2: To, A big fellow a big fellow like, he knows.

1068
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 3: Everything, he hears, everything yeah, everything he's media he's.

1069
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: Social media savvy, So HE yeah and i think that

1070
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: was the thing. That pushed him they pushed him out.

1071
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 2: With, the bullshit yeah when.

1072
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: You hear listen if you that that, type, of player

1073
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: SAY if m j heard some, Ship Like That, cole

1074
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: larry magic when you that, that that player you hear some,

1075
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: ship like that you don't. Want me here you gonna

1076
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: bounce and plus for over one hundred million dollars And going. To,

1077
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: la too man that's the.

1078
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 2: City of angels.

1079
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 4: That's the city.

1080
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 3: Of fucking angels, so two thousand You, laying in seattle

1081
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 3: you get a chance TO, play with, Gp Our Dog, Mad Max, young,

1082
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 3: jelani gelondo, McCoy Shout.

1083
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: Out ruben patterson you guys lose to the.

1084
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 3: Jazz and five what is it Like going From, orlando

1085
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 3: to seattle getting a chance TO, Play with gp max

1086
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 3: AND and everyone. I.

1087
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: Just mentioned yeah the crazy Thing about THAT max was

1088
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: i went to the Front. OFFICE in, ORLANDO i said

1089
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: i heard the you guys things. About trading, me oh

1090
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: no You're gonna be you're gonna be the. The locker

1091
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: room you're gonna. Be that, vengiom, i'm. Like okay, Cool

1092
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: next thing i'm a fucking Plane. Up to. Seattle god

1093
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: tell SO of COURSE i know gp and everybody, and

1094
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: get there fell in. Love with, it, beautiful city. Yeah

1095
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: BEAUTIFUL city BUT i mean i Was, used to Chicago

1096
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: but then.

1097
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 4: Orlando spoiled me rocking.

1098
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: With that weather then going up there and with the

1099
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: ice and the rain and the overcast and.

1100
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 4: Ship like, that.

1101
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm like damn o son and BUT playing with, Gph my.

1102
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 4: Man julni.

1103
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: Man How Good? WAS ben baker I Don't think van

1104
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: baker Gets To love van baker has so. Much, game

1105
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: man listen. Super game man he, Got ball Man, ben

1106
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: baker man he get that fucking ball on the post or.

1107
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: Step out man he had. Footwork like crazy Shout out To.

1108
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: Vin baker man when the nicest guys that you ever

1109
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: wanted to meet. Down the earth just a great player back.

1110
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: In the day, but BEING there and i Remember playing

1111
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: against utah in, the first round call mylone and they.

1112
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: Fucking BEAT us and i thought we had the best team.

1113
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: Against against them but it was. A great experience La

1114
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: back with Shaq.

1115
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 3: And young Cove This is KARL malone and gp? Are

1116
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 3: there too or that that's. Your second year that's the. Second,

1117
01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 3: year there yeah the first year. They, weren't there man,

1118
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 3: THAT first year i will. Never forget this, phil calls.

1119
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: Me, Feels, like horse uh we're gonna trade for you,

1120
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: because you know get.

1121
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: Some leadership here.

1122
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 4: How old are you?

1123
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: At this point thirty?

1124
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: Six thirty, seven he, said you, know not much. Just

1125
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 2: be you ship?

1126
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: Is jar alrighty there no One who j rider or

1127
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: was he there?

1128
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: In two?

1129
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: Thousands no one okay when we won j off. With, my,

1130
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: motherfucker listen man this mother.

1131
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 4: This mother bro.

1132
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: This motherfucker used to, come to uh, come to practice

1133
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: stay out in, the fucking car.

1134
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 2: Get blown, like a.

1135
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: MOTHERFUCKER come in i was all read he did it

1136
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: before games like and feels like and feel know when

1137
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: somebody he gets.

1138
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 4: And uh man and, he Was like but jay used.

1139
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: To go out there AND kill, when i say fucking

1140
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: kick Ass This.

1141
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 3: Motherfuckers man jr used to tell when he when he

1142
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 3: had him. On the, Show, he said shack he used

1143
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 3: to put money in.

1144
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: His locker To. Go at, Kobe oh yes jack would

1145
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 2: pay him To.

1146
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: Go at kobe.

1147
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 2: Oh he bro this mofu was like.

1148
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: Back.

1149
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 4: In the day we have A Guy.

1150
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: Named dennis, hobson mm hm He's Playing. At ohio state

1151
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: they brought him in just they brought him to, uh

1152
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: GO ahead m j and Practice Him. And Pete, myers.

1153
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: Pete myers motherfuckers hey ruthless loved them brother. To, the

1154
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: day yes we talk, all, The, time, sir, yes, sir

1155
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: okay yeah Just just.

1156
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: Those laker. Teams laker Teams.

1157
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh one phil calls me, and he, said you know we,

1158
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna trade uh, trade for you, and you know

1159
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: just come.

1160
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 4: AND be you.

1161
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: I was at a Bar, are IN orlando and i

1162
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: bought two rounds for everybody at. The fucking, BAR i'm,

1163
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: LIKE i see, I look GONE i. Got, covid, Shack

1164
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: now okay i'm gonna. Get, me one yeah. Go.

1165
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 4: Out there man.

1166
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: And we struggle the first during, the REGULAR season And

1167
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: i remember shaq coming up to me, And, HE said

1168
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: man i apologize of bringing you to this ship because. We,

1169
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: were struggling bro. We were struggling, but after this the

1170
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: old old, one, season one okay when we and you

1171
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: want One. The chip okay we we struggle during the

1172
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: Regular season, and, i'm like man. Don't don't apologize we.

1173
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: Figure ship, out and man when we went, into, the

1174
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: playoffs man we. Hit, that ship man we swept every

1175
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: fucking team In, The of sacramento portland And In.

1176
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 3: Uh san Antonio but that sacramento. SERIES was tough I remember.

1177
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: That sacramento series that's the no we swim that wasn't

1178
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 1: that was so, that was no that was that. Was

1179
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: before me next, year was yeah. That was yeah But

1180
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: we know web and all of Them on. That, we

1181
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: listen Man that's when Web we thought well was Going

1182
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: to leave sacramento because he was. A free, agent but

1183
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 1: man and then after we swipt and then.

1184
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 2: We had.

1185
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: Ten days off ten days off before The finals with shaq.

1186
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: And their team that might not be. A good thing,

1187
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: oh it, Wasn't he said.

1188
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh, It, wasn't no. No It wasn't we uh we,

1189
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: practiced one, day Went hard and field gave us the

1190
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: next day off practice another day gave it that all through. Until,

1191
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: the finals man we never fucking. Party so Hard Me.

1192
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: And Rick fox rick fox went.

1193
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 4: Out one night.

1194
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: It was four thirty, in the morning and he wanted

1195
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 1: to go to another fucking bar and we had, like,

1196
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: A ride, Right, I said rick i'll, be Right back

1197
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: bro i'm going. TO the bathroom i wouldn't gotten, THAT fucking,

1198
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: limbo i said. Take me home he must have came

1199
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: from the club to the, fucking practice practice hair all

1200
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: wild and shit. Smelling like booze and that's the kind

1201
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: of shit. That we did we were so. Popular that

1202
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: year WE'LL go to i forgot the name. Of the

1203
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: club everybody was there Itself for, Shacking covid Right, tyron

1204
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: lou beatshall all of us over here is Uh The

1205
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: late jerry buss his Crew Over Here century. Club, gardener

1206
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: EATON yeah something i forgot the. Club, is happening yeah he. Was.

1207
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 3: OVER here Yeah i mean i'm in college, at This

1208
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 3: time so.

1209
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 4: I'm in.

1210
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: THE same spots. I see y'all and then You had the.

1211
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 4: Lakers right.

1212
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: Here, stupid, man listen man. That shit was it was. Some,

1213
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 1: great times man it's like.

1214
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 4: Great great times.

1215
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: You get, your, fourth RING though what i mean what?

1216
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 3: Is that like you get three straight and you go

1217
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 3: through some ups and downs and close a, couple of

1218
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 3: times and you and you Get back with shaq And

1219
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 3: the young kobe and you guys.

1220
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: Get number four one of the BEST feelings because i

1221
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: did it WITHOUT uh M, j and pip BUT you,

1222
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: know i Had of course shack and co being and

1223
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: the rest.

1224
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 2: Of the crew.

1225
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: Just to be back there having a, parade the, city

1226
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: you know giving. You love grace it was just like whenning. The,

1227
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: FIRST three man, i love. It love it what's what's?

1228
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: The young cold? Like locked in when you, say locked in?

1229
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: It's locked. In, different, LEVEL listen man i Remember Playing

1230
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: Against san antonio, shack files, out you know me, Being the,

1231
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: veteran i'm, like, oh fuck, okay all right you know

1232
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: you got. A young COLD i mean i. See the, potential, i'm. Like,

1233
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: Oh ship okay cole walked to. The fucking bench, MY

1234
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: fucker said. I got this this motherfucker go out And Dunking,

1235
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: On David Robinson Tim tim duncan, like It's nothing brou

1236
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 1: he took over the fucking game. And we, won i'm

1237
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: like THAT'S from. M j Ship that's. What i'm speaking

1238
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: THAT'S some. M j ship Because of course i've seen HIM.

1239
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: With m j but, OTHER than that i. Haven't, seen

1240
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: it no, being, first hand man if an Some, ship happened,

1241
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: shaq vice versa if Something, happened to Kobe we know,

1242
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: shaq Got us but kobe. Will sta man he was.

1243
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 1: That beast bruh people don't even know how much work

1244
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: he put. INTO his craft i remember you used To tell,

1245
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: me HE'S, LIKE m b i. Need NUMBER six like

1246
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: i said at the TABLE. With m j he, was

1247
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,560
Speaker 1: so obsessed bro with being the best and getting. That,

1248
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: SIX thring man i think one of the happy days

1249
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: of his life when he uh one.

1250
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 2: That number five here's one. Away he listen he was.

1251
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: He wanted.

1252
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 4: To be that if, he could have he would.

1253
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: Have, Got seven yeah and that's THE one thing i

1254
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: respect And Loved About. Kobe bryant man he brought it.

1255
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: Every single night he would just LET you know i,

1256
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: DON'T like you i don't give a, fuck about you

1257
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: and then go and take. Care. Of.

1258
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 3: Business yeah different so you finish, up your career you

1259
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 3: Go back to orlanta, for one year you get A

1260
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 3: young Team Mac and doc rivers as.

1261
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: The head coach what do You See In? TA mac

1262
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 1: man i thought it was Gonna Be Another Penny. Man Tea.

1263
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: Maackage oh man one of the MOST aggressive scores i

1264
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: have ever ever seen. And played with whenever he wanted

1265
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: to take, over a, game HE did and i remember

1266
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,759
Speaker 1: watching them on the tube when He. Was in houston scored,

1267
01:15:54,880 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: like eight. POINTS ten points I think against santatonia was

1268
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 1: twelve points in like forty three seconds or. Something, Something

1269
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: stupid yeah and That was THE tamac that i played

1270
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: with in.

1271
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 2: Six,' nine jump, out the gym jumper no hols, in, His.

1272
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: None none none and, when he wanted to, when, he

1273
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: desired to man he would lock your ass, up, on

1274
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 1: defense too man BECAUSE he was JUST i.

1275
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 3: DON'T think i don't i don't think he gets. THE

1276
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 3: love he deserves i, don't, SEE why not man i

1277
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 3: mean it was so.

1278
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: Good man he was he was. A fucking beast. MAN

1279
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 1: i'm TELLING YOU i. MEAN i I Played i mean grant. Hill,

1280
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: was there too yeah and.

1281
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 3: You Were Supposed, to, get tim duncan right but doctors

1282
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 3: and bullshit where a girlfriends weren't allowed on the planes.

1283
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 1: Or wives weren't allowed let mother. Get, on the plane

1284
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: listen let his whole family. GET on the plane i

1285
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 1: would have had her fucking. Find the motherfucking plane she

1286
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: would be where you want to go.

1287
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 2: To Get that dude with.

1288
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: Grant And, and t mat hey we would have got. You,

1289
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: NUMBER five man yeah i.

1290
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 3: Need to get high, WHEN you look back I, Mean Obviously,

1291
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 3: Four Championships, all star all defense YOU play With, M,

1292
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 3: J and Pip, Yeah penny And. SHAQ shaq and code

1293
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 3: i mean when you sit back and. Look at this

1294
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 3: ship now you're twenty years nearly nearly twenty years of,

1295
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 3: moved from the game what do you think.

1296
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: About Just, Being blessed man god just Just a journey

1297
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: that i've taken IN terms of my NBA career With,

1298
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:49,759
Speaker 1: M j And, Pip shack And, Penny kobe And shaq Gping.

1299
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: And carl the mailman just been in The presence of

1300
01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: such hall Of famers and. Future, HALL of famers uh

1301
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: i can't. Ask for anything better. This ship has.

1302
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: Been IT was great if i not, to disrespect my

1303
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 2: career But.

1304
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: Who KNOWS where i've been i WOULD be or if

1305
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 1: i didn't, play with those guys had the opportunity to

1306
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 1: play with those guys because each and everyone instilled in me.

1307
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: A value, about BASKETBALL, YOU know even gp i was

1308
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: telling talking to, A, FRIEND, OF. MINE shit gp g gp.

1309
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 4: Ain't like the practice this motherfucker come in there.

1310
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: Practice in five minutes he brings his ass and get

1311
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: into a hot tub or a cold tub, and, just sit,

1312
01:18:52,600 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: There yes he, say and you know come out ten

1313
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: to fifteen, minutes late, for practice you know just. Run

1314
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: through the drills but the most respectful thing about that

1315
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: when he stepped on that. Fucking court time ago yeah.

1316
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 1: He was that Leader yeah? What was carl like you got, him,

1317
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,920
Speaker 1: at the, END obviously but yeah i got the mail.

1318
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,799
Speaker 1: MAN at the end i loved. Him as a TEAMMATE,

1319
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: but he and gp they couldn't get that. Damn train

1320
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: to offense they could not get that there, because out

1321
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: of respect those two guys have been the focus of

1322
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 1: their team offense and then now you have to come

1323
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: in and you have to, play a certain role and

1324
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: it was it was very difficult and he. Got frustrated

1325
01:19:54,439 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: at time. But, still great guys yeah. FAVORITE part about

1326
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: retirement i have a fourteen year old well She'll, be

1327
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 1: fifteen in april and my youngest. Son just turned thirteen. Spending,

1328
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,480
Speaker 1: time with. Them man oh gosh.

1329
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 4: And just to travel.

1330
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: Just to wake, up in the morning have a cup

1331
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: of coffee and not be you have to be here

1332
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 1: at a certain. Time and just relax i'm enjoying life at. The,

1333
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: Age of, sixty. MAN so great.

1334
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 2: Beautiful i love it any regrets on, In your, playing career?

1335
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: Oh, man any REGRETS no because, IF i had any

1336
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: i wouldn't be sitting. HERE talking to. You i love

1337
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: it you.

1338
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 3: Started your own podcast let's talk. About that real Quick

1339
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 3: what's it?

1340
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: Called? Legends in session okay and it had to take

1341
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: these guys too fucking years to convince. Me to DO

1342
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: it BECAUSE when i when i put my my heart,

1343
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 1: and soul, into something you know it's all about me

1344
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: and my mindset. Of giving, something back YOU know it's

1345
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 1: a i. Show that we recognize it's called it's uh,

1346
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: the whole of legends where EACH of my guests i

1347
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: Put them In, the hall of legends give. Them a

1348
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: nice trophy we just, talk, about the, upbringing childhood their careers,

1349
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: what they're doing now, stories, about you, know eighties nineties basketball. Things,

1350
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: of that, nature nothing nothing crazy but just.

1351
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 2: Stories that the.

1352
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 4: Fans and the.

1353
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: AUDIENCE you enjoy it. I fucking enjoy men i SIT

1354
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: there and we i mean, some of, The time all

1355
01:21:58,080 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 1: right charles OAKLEVELAND.

1356
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: We talk about.

1357
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how we got on the subject Of.

1358
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 4: Being.

1359
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 1: In the south, baptism, he was like man the pastor put.

1360
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: Me IN the water, WHEN i came up i had

1361
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: a fucking. Fish in my.

1362
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 4: Mouth ship, like, that, i'm like okay, okay.

1363
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 2: Ship LIKE that man so.

1364
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 4: I don't see how i don't.

1365
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: See how it, happened but you know stuff like that you,

1366
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: give to the audience man that they. THEY haven't heard.

1367
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 1: Before i.

1368
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 3: Love it quick hitters first thing. To come to, mind

1369
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 3: let us know give. You a tough one oh this ship?

1370
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: Put these IN. Order, Ob m, j brown oh man

1371
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: it's so FUCKING tough that, that. I would say damn

1372
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: I will, say m J first and then i. WILL

1373
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 1: go with cold i will go with brin no, disrespect

1374
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: To bron anyway because i'm such a fucking huge fan

1375
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:15,679
Speaker 1: of his longevity and what he brought to. The GAME

1376
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 1: of basketball but i have experienced firsthand those two those

1377
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:28,919
Speaker 1: two last album listened. To, Front to back, Yeah Tupac.

1378
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: Bro go tupac, Man that was man. That was my.

1379
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: Dude you meet him we were in the SAME restaurant

1380
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: and then i looked over and then, His BODYGUARD.

1381
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 4: Was Strapped so i was we did this.

1382
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: Recognized Game Childhood crush Miss, Jenny Jackson, Jack Man jennie

1383
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,440
Speaker 1: jackson jededi jackson.

1384
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 3: Who Had A story about janet. Jackson that something happened

1385
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: It Was, at the? Pump gallery, right, Nah Who, yeah

1386
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 3: yeah michael irvin he went to a concert.

1387
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 2: Or, Something, like that. Right oh that's funny.

1388
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 1: One piece of advice you would give A player, Entering

1389
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: the nba today uh.

1390
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 4: Fuck lowd low.

1391
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: Management know your role if it's the star where you

1392
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: get the, ball thirty. Or four play it. If it's

1393
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 1: rebounding defense you got to have a work. Ethic for,

1394
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: this game you know if you can play, it all

1395
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: eighty two that's. A badge of, honor.

1396
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely last question one guest you would Like to See.

1397
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: On all, the smoke oh man who haven't you? Guys

1398
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: had on here because it's such. A big, ASS show one,

1399
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:04,759
Speaker 1: guy i, Would, say my man pill.

1400
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 4: We gonna need.

1401
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: YOUR help With him i see, pip ALL the time

1402
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: like i. Don't, do, That, SHIP like nah pip i see.

1403
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 1: You on, some ship. Come. On, god damn yeah yeah

1404
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 1: he do the, same ship to. Me My best, Friend,

1405
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 1: and i'm like pip come. On my SHOW man you

1406
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: know i. Don't, Do that ship man you're. Gonna, do this,

1407
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: ship yeah. That's it all right we both.

1408
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 3: Got, To, Get, pilled yeah horace, man we, appreciate you

1409
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 3: grew up, admiring you your, journey everything you accomplished and

1410
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 3: still being able to get.

1411
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: Back to the game now you're in. This.

1412
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 3: SPACE as well man i wish you nothing but the

1413
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 3: best and THANK you for your, i, appreciate the love.

1414
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 3: Man appreciate, the brother, all right right, Right give it.

1415
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: Up give it up you Can catch Us on all

1416
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: the Smoke YouTube And. The draft kings network we'll. See y'all.

1417
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:54,799
Speaker 1: Next week mm hmmm