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<v Speaker 1>Trans lesbian center porn is my new kink. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>this was against my son. I did not know. This

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<v Speaker 1>to the magical land of Narnia. Because today we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>show we give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes. I'm Rasdami

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm fran Toronto. God, how did we get here?

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Thanksgiving Virgins. We hope that you are surrounded by

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<v Speaker 1>your family, whether they be biological or chosen. Yes, we

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<v Speaker 1>hope that you are celebrating anti imperialism and that you

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<v Speaker 1>understand that this is a wretched little holiday that has

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<v Speaker 1>great food but otherwise is founded in a history of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, colonialist violence. Do you know what? I am

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<v Speaker 1>disciplined in those that. Like this year, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>my family in Connecticut and I just go out for

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<v Speaker 1>the day, but everyone else there, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stays throughout the weekend because they live there. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>usually get sent home with leftovers, And to me, that

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the best parts of Thanksgiving is eating

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<v Speaker 1>the leftovers for a couple of days and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doing like a sandwich with turkey and stuffing and cranberry

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<v Speaker 1>sauce on it. So I'm like, where can I get

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<v Speaker 1>one of those? Because I'm I'm not I will not

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<v Speaker 1>be fulfilled with just having it one day. No, my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite tradition is to make like a giant sandwich like

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<v Speaker 1>the next day with like normal sandwich bread, but like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, roasted turkey, cranberry sauce, cheddar cheese, like all

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that like you want to put on

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<v Speaker 1>a Thanksgiving meals so good. Wait, speaking of leftovers, how

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<v Speaker 1>did you buy Chency Triangle of Sadness. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you saw. I still have not seen it. I at

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<v Speaker 1>this point probably won't see it in theaters, but we'll

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<v Speaker 1>catch it on digital at some point. Okay, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about it, but I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>quickly like just you know, assign you homework and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the Virgin's homework to watch it when you can, because

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<v Speaker 1>when I saw the trailer, I was like, that seems

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like two on the nose. The trailer makes

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<v Speaker 1>it feel really cheap, right, It's like, this is the

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<v Speaker 1>movie that eviscerated the upper class, amazing critique and capitalism,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I don't really want to watch that,

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<v Speaker 1>And then I actually went to go see it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like one of the most amazing things I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>on screen in a very long time. Glad to hear

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<v Speaker 1>that it was good. It needed an editor. Let's be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>it is in suffering, we do, but but it was

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<v Speaker 1>so and rose I'm not gonna spot anything. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>something that happens in the midpoint that is so shocking,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's something that you never forget, Like it's just

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that happens in a movie where you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I will never forget this. Um. Anyways, that's all I'll say,

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<v Speaker 1>so that we can actually discuss it, you know, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>we end up watching it. Um, what have you been

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<v Speaker 1>watching this this this past week? Um? You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>neck deep in my annual Gilmore Girls re watch. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have been in the middle of moving, so I

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<v Speaker 1>really don't kind of have any patience for anything more

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<v Speaker 1>than that. It's just been a lot of Gilmore Girls

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<v Speaker 1>on in the background while I unpacked boxes watching too

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'll need to hop on and and and you

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<v Speaker 1>should fire for the first time into it. But I

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<v Speaker 1>did go to the movies last week and saw Wakonda Forever,

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<v Speaker 1>and so did I and I had so much fun

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<v Speaker 1>at it. I think the impression that I was left

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<v Speaker 1>with most was that, oh my god, everyone that movie

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<v Speaker 1>is really hot. So fine, fine, nay More is the

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<v Speaker 1>mod or he's the dick. Everyone should suck everyone should eat.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally, like, it doesn't matter how many memes I

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<v Speaker 1>saw about him before seeing this movie. Nothing, nothing, could

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<v Speaker 1>have prepared for me for what I felt in my

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<v Speaker 1>body when nayme Or ascended from the sea, his his

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<v Speaker 1>his winged little mercurial Herme's wing ass feet, fucking gay

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<v Speaker 1>ass mermaid god little Speedo and his like indigenous Mayan

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<v Speaker 1>ass ancestry and his accent and his thick little body.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I was alone in the theater, clutching

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<v Speaker 1>my face and physically breathless. That's not an exaggeration. I

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<v Speaker 1>was physically out of breath. What are the things that

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<v Speaker 1>stuck out from you from the movie, like fave parts

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<v Speaker 1>or things you didn't like maybe or I really like

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<v Speaker 1>Dreary Williams. I thought she was a welcome edition, and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it made sense to bring her in because

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<v Speaker 1>with Chadwick Boseman gone to the movie, you know, Leticia

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<v Speaker 1>Right had to step into the lead role and couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be like the like smart wise cracking sidekick anymore. And

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<v Speaker 1>re redefinitely filled that position while also being a very

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<v Speaker 1>compelling character with her own story and she has she

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<v Speaker 1>has a TV series coming, so we'll get to see

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<v Speaker 1>more of her. And I really liked the dynamic between

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<v Speaker 1>her and Sherry, which was like they definitely were into

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<v Speaker 1>each other. There was a vibe. Angela Bassett really chewed

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<v Speaker 1>every scene she was in. You know, that one scene

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<v Speaker 1>where she is yelling at a koy a, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>about how she's lost everyone in her life was devastating,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, she gave an incredible performance that I

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<v Speaker 1>thought Letitia Right did too. I thought, you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>movie had this tremendous weight placed on it of having

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<v Speaker 1>to not only honor Chadwick Boseman's legacy, but like deal

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<v Speaker 1>with it in a way that was narratively fulfilling, and

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<v Speaker 1>so much of that was put on the shoulders of

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<v Speaker 1>those two actresses specifically, and I thought they really you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rose to the occasion. I mean, I agree. I thought that, like,

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<v Speaker 1>given the circumstances, like everyone in the film really carried

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<v Speaker 1>the responsibility of something that is kind of impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>do from a media perspective, which is translate real life

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<v Speaker 1>grief to franchise grief. Like that sucks. I feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone involved, like they had to literally like three

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<v Speaker 1>months later like hop into this and like play grief

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<v Speaker 1>on screen, and like part of me, like I do

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<v Speaker 1>love that that this film was about grief, and I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like it was a resonant meditation on grief. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also do wish that they could have just waited

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<v Speaker 1>and and given it some space, so that like everyone

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<v Speaker 1>involved could have, like I don't know, had more time

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<v Speaker 1>with it, because, like I thought the burial scene was gorgeous,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not need to see Chadwick Boseman's grave ascend

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<v Speaker 1>into like a spaceship like that. At the end, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I feel crazy watching that because it's so

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<v Speaker 1>emotionally dissonant from what myself and probably every actor there

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<v Speaker 1>is feeling. One of the things I really liked was

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<v Speaker 1>the way that they brought Michael B. Jordan's back is

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<v Speaker 1>kill Monger, because he was such a great villain in

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<v Speaker 1>Black Panther that just watching that made me remember what

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<v Speaker 1>an enigmatic and like compelling presence he was in that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>But also it worked really well for the story they

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to tell that Sherry was like channeling her

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<v Speaker 1>grief through anger, and so of course that is the

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<v Speaker 1>person that she would see in that moment um. So

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was just like one of one of

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<v Speaker 1>those instances where you know the constraints of the movie

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<v Speaker 1>they had to make really worked with the movie that

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<v Speaker 1>they also wanted to make. And a place where maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that was not so successful was the reintroduction of Lupete

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<v Speaker 1>Nyongo because like, I mean, I she was. I was

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<v Speaker 1>so happy to have her back. But it's like so

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<v Speaker 1>funny that it's just like, oh, Lupeta, where have you

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<v Speaker 1>been in Haiti? And it's like like we all know

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<v Speaker 1>that she like didn't do the Avengers movie because she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be in an off Broadway play and like

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<v Speaker 1>hates this Avenger ship. And like Lupeta, who's like one

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatest actors of like our generation, like she's

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<v Speaker 1>phoning it in, like she doesn't give a ship about

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<v Speaker 1>this movie. She's I don't know, but I still think

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<v Speaker 1>she's You don't really see that in her performance. I

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<v Speaker 1>think she's very committed. Maybe I'm projecting. I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I think you, I think you're projecting what you what

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<v Speaker 1>you see in the real maybe because I thought she

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<v Speaker 1>was really dialed in, like that that scene that she

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<v Speaker 1>has with a Koa where she's talking about why she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't at the funeral. Like mean, she's an incredible actress

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<v Speaker 1>and she has to do so little to Fay so much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, and and and she and she can do

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<v Speaker 1>a lot with a little as can like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of prestige actors, and like these franchises, Um, it is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wild though that spoiler alert, like in the

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<v Speaker 1>post credit scene, like she's like, yeah, and Chadwick knocked

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<v Speaker 1>me up and left me on this island and like

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<v Speaker 1>here's my son. I was like, what the fuck? Like

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<v Speaker 1>another yell. That also reminded me just how long it's

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<v Speaker 1>been since the first Black Panther came out in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know when what kinda forever was originally

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be rolled out, like because what kind of forever?

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<v Speaker 1>Is the official end of phase four? Like this is

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<v Speaker 1>now the end of sort of the post end game fall,

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<v Speaker 1>and now now we're in phase five as you can

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<v Speaker 1>see with them laying things in the ground, like the

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Louis Driver's character, who that might have been My

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<v Speaker 1>only like real complaint with this movie is I just

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<v Speaker 1>every part with her and Martin Freeman. As much as

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<v Speaker 1>I like Martin Freeman and as much as I love

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<v Speaker 1>Julie Louis Dreyfus, really took me out of the movie

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<v Speaker 1>and like, I mean, she's she's so funny, but she

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<v Speaker 1>felt so out of place and even like the streak

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<v Speaker 1>of gray in her hair, which I'm sure is like

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<v Speaker 1>what she looks like in the comic books, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of like nod to that stylistically, it just

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<v Speaker 1>looked world work with her. No. Also, this movie was

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<v Speaker 1>very badly lit and was so dark, especially the underwater

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<v Speaker 1>scenes so dark. I just like, maybe they're going for

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of realism, but this is comic book movie, babe,

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<v Speaker 1>turn the lights. Yeah, realism, honey, Like, uh, these are mermaids. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what are mermaids? Let let it be said. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree. I mean, like I'm never unhappy to

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<v Speaker 1>watch Julia Louis Drifus on screen. But yeah, when Marvel

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<v Speaker 1>is Marveling, like just for the sake of like reading

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<v Speaker 1>all of these movies together, it's like, those are things

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<v Speaker 1>that we would cut out of if this was not

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<v Speaker 1>a Marvel movie, it was any other movie, like these

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<v Speaker 1>would be chop chop chop. I just wanted her to say,

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<v Speaker 1>it's me, um wait, I have a I have another

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<v Speaker 1>spoilery question for you. Spoiler spoiler, Did Angela Bassa have

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<v Speaker 1>to die. I do think, so you do. I do

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<v Speaker 1>think she had to die. But I didn't like was

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<v Speaker 1>that her death was given kind of the same weight

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<v Speaker 1>as Naymours, like random minion being killed, like there's things

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<v Speaker 1>are not my sister or something. It was it was

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<v Speaker 1>one of his relatives, but like he's a fish, so

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<v Speaker 1>he has like seven sisters, you know what I mean? Like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like only kind of tangentially related to Black Panther.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did come up with a sort of wild

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory. Okay. So I saw this movie with a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of the podcast him Mitchell, and we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how a year or two ago, there was so

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<v Speaker 1>much conversation about Letitia Right being an anti vaxer and

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<v Speaker 1>it was so loud, but it really kind of disappeared,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the lead up to this film. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I did not see a lot of big stories

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I know that very recently she has kind

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<v Speaker 1>of come out and like disavowed it and also disavowed

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<v Speaker 1>a priest she was connected with who has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of homophobic and transphobic views. Anyway, I'm just was so

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<v Speaker 1>shocked that there wasn't a bigger like fur around, especially

0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.959
<v Speaker 1>the anti Baxtor of it all, and I was also

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about how that wasn't really a big part of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation when Death on the Nile came out at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of this year, which she was also in,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I started thinking, you know, Disney is really

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<v Speaker 1>evil and they knew that Sherry you know, was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the lead in this movie and that they

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<v Speaker 1>had to you know, sort of protect their investment. And

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<v Speaker 1>my conspiracy is that Disney is behind the outing of

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<v Speaker 1>Armie Hammer as a cannibal as a way to draw

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<v Speaker 1>fire from Letitia during the Death on the Nile pressed

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<v Speaker 1>or to sort of set the stage for her to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to get through that without any like journalists

0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.040
<v Speaker 1>asking her questions during interviews, because all the heat was

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<v Speaker 1>on Army, so that by the time Black Panther came out,

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<v Speaker 1>we had already kind of moved on from it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>my like Galaxy brain but also brain worms conspiracy theory.

0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.640
<v Speaker 1>The versions can see it with my jaw is dropped. Um,

0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you need to put that on TikTok immediately. I mean,

0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.040
<v Speaker 1>there's that's crazy. There's it's very it's very like there's

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<v Speaker 1>no actual real logic involved in it. Um. But at

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<v Speaker 1>least what I think is some publicist at least brought

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<v Speaker 1>it up as an option at some point. Oh for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the Devil works hard, but Marvel pr works hard,

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<v Speaker 1>Disney pr because that's what I'll back to the House

0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:48.400
<v Speaker 1>of Mouse, Yes house, not the House of Mouse. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to remark on and often heard complaint

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<v Speaker 1>on this podcast. Can we talk about the blink and

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<v Speaker 1>you missed it? Gay kiss in this movie that I

0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even see. Oh I saw it. It was,

0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:04.840
<v Speaker 1>but it was it was just like a head kiss.

0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:11.240
<v Speaker 1>I had a forehead kiss. I'm so really kiss in foreheads.

0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:15.000
<v Speaker 1>And also like for this movie, what a waste of MICHAELA. Cole,

0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Like we could have had michaela scenes instead of like

0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.800
<v Speaker 1>these Martin Freedman scenes, and like I was just like,

0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.320
<v Speaker 1>where was mickay La? Yeah? But I you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>do think at least there was enough of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that I liked in the movie to make up for

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<v Speaker 1>they're not being enough of the things that I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>more of. I'm excited for what's next, though, I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say I did not think that Angela Bassa

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<v Speaker 1>needed to die. That was my primary complaint. And and

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<v Speaker 1>that's just because selfishly I want to see her in

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<v Speaker 1>every movie. And but she got so much to do

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<v Speaker 1>before she died. Like I was so happy that we

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<v Speaker 1>had so much time for her in this film. She

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<v Speaker 1>got some action scenes, she got a lot of great

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<v Speaker 1>you know monologue, and people are like, she's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get an Oscar nomination, which is like a girl, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not happening. But I mean, but not to be a

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<v Speaker 1>bitch though, but like, there are so many other characters

0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:15.040
<v Speaker 1>to kill that Angela Bassett, but they wouldn't. But it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have been narratively satisfying. You have to think about

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<v Speaker 1>the story you're telling. I disagree. I think like a Koya,

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<v Speaker 1>if they had killed a Koya. There there are a

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<v Speaker 1>few people where I was like, no, no, no, Sherry

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<v Speaker 1>had to be at her lowest. She had to be

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<v Speaker 1>a fat, nasty and broke. She had to come on

0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.720
<v Speaker 1>this bitch matt as hell. I loved the lesson at

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<v Speaker 1>the end. I wish that we could have seen Shary

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<v Speaker 1>be a little evil like obviously she was really dark

0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.800
<v Speaker 1>the whole film. I wanted her to make a crucially

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<v Speaker 1>dark mistake in killing someone. I guess like, wasn't it

0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:51.120
<v Speaker 1>more as like little, wasn't it more kind of her fault?

0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.160
<v Speaker 1>But it was more mine, It was more Lupida's fault

0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.520
<v Speaker 1>because she needed to rescue Sherry. I would have liked

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<v Speaker 1>to see just more of Sharry as the black Panther

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like she she was doing lines of the

0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.400
<v Speaker 1>heart shaped a herb or you know whatever the fuck.

0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.879
<v Speaker 1>Um she micro dosed and then she like immediately not

0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.520
<v Speaker 1>only has the powers but kind of the skill to

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<v Speaker 1>use them. And like, I get that this movie couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be another origin story, but I just would have liked

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<v Speaker 1>more time with her being superpowered and not kind of

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<v Speaker 1>all of her like stepping into that mantle happening very

0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:33.000
<v Speaker 1>quickly or kind of off screen. But the fight sequences

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<v Speaker 1>and like action were fun and like didn't get in

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<v Speaker 1>the way of still telling a very emotional story. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree, speaking of emotional stories. Did you try

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<v Speaker 1>to get Taylor Swift tickets this weekend? Um? I did

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<v Speaker 1>not try to get Taylor Swift tickets because I just well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I don't super care about seeing live music,

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<v Speaker 1>and I also just like didn't want to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>what I knew was going to be the nightmare of um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting tickets for that show. Never could I

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<v Speaker 1>even have imagined the true nightmare would become though, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. I mean the versions can read up on

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<v Speaker 1>like all the drama that went down about how like

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<v Speaker 1>people basically like couldn't get tickets and ticket Master had

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<v Speaker 1>to cancel its actual on sale date because of lack

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<v Speaker 1>of quantity. But like I I wanted to bring it

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<v Speaker 1>up because we have a lot of swift ease on

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<v Speaker 1>the pot on like on the pod who are listening,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like pressure needs to be applied because

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift statement on this was so nothing, It was

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<v Speaker 1>so absolutely nothing. She put all the blame on ticket

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<v Speaker 1>Master and was like, yes, oh my god, it sucks

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<v Speaker 1>that you couldn't get tickets for the concert. Yeah, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously she can do her part in like ad shows,

0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.399
<v Speaker 1>but like it's not even like it's not even like

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<v Speaker 1>I want her to take blame. It's that she is

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<v Speaker 1>the most powerful artist on the planet to some degree.

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<v Speaker 1>When Taylor Swift expressed her very first political opinion about

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<v Speaker 1>that fucking you know governor in Tennessee or I don't

0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:19.840
<v Speaker 1>even remember whatever, the fucktive. Yeah, representative, thank you. More

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<v Speaker 1>people registered to vote in a single day than in

0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.160
<v Speaker 1>any other day in the history of this country. Like

0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:30.880
<v Speaker 1>that is obscene. She can move bodies to create actual,

0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:37.200
<v Speaker 1>tangible change in a way that could fundamentally change things

0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.679
<v Speaker 1>for all of these other artists in the industry. And

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me angry that her kind of very tepid

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<v Speaker 1>response to Ticketmaster was ultimately a display of her allegiance

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<v Speaker 1>to capital and her relationship with Ticketmaster. If she was

0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:58.360
<v Speaker 1>on her ship, she would say, Hey, this is fucked

0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Ticketmaster and Live n should never should have merged. This

0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:07.000
<v Speaker 1>is an illegal monopoly that has now created problems for artists,

0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:11.040
<v Speaker 1>independent artists across the board, and now my fans. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is personal to me. Break Ticketmaster up and change

0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.640
<v Speaker 1>this fucking ship like Taylor is. If any artist could

0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:23.240
<v Speaker 1>do that and actually have an impact, it would be Taylor. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now the Justice Department is investigating Ticketmaster, and yes, of

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<v Speaker 1>course we wish that Taylor would have gotten involved herself,

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<v Speaker 1>but like I just I'm not going to expect that

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<v Speaker 1>of celebrities who want to make as much money as possible,

0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:42.840
<v Speaker 1>and like there are no perfect celebrities like I certainly

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<v Speaker 1>don't think Taylor is a perfect celebrity, and nor do

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I expect her to be one. I kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>like her music and keep it pushing from there. But

0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Swifties are powerful and because of them, this this could change.

0:20:57.520 --> 0:21:01.199
<v Speaker 1>And I saw something that was like, Swifties, can you

0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:07.200
<v Speaker 1>tackle racism and abortion next? No, Actually, swift these are

0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:10.400
<v Speaker 1>smart and are great organizers, and like, come on, let's

0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.800
<v Speaker 1>fucking change something. Um. I heard that you finally uh

0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:19.719
<v Speaker 1>dove into miss Emelda Stanton. Yeah. I started season five

0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:24.720
<v Speaker 1>of The Crown. Um, I'm only an episode in, um,

0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.560
<v Speaker 1>but I am seeing kind of right off the bat

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of what I've seen people talking about about

0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.240
<v Speaker 1>how it's gotten very soapy in a way that it

0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:37.000
<v Speaker 1>never was before. Um. But I have to say, Eliza,

0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:40.320
<v Speaker 1>I do want Elizabeth Debecky to step on me. Me.

0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Stans is incredible as always. I was so happy to

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<v Speaker 1>see what's her face? Mrs Harris goes to Paris as

0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Princess Margaret. That's Mrs Harris goes to Paris. What's what's

0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:56.000
<v Speaker 1>her name? Oh Leslie Manfelt as Princess Margaret? Who I

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, I loved that the season started with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Clara Fhoy coming back to do to do

0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:05.080
<v Speaker 1>young Queen Elizabeth as she always does. But it just

0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:09.400
<v Speaker 1>made me remember how incredible those first seasons of The

0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Crown War and listen, I love The Crown. I will

0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.280
<v Speaker 1>keep watching it until it ends. But those first seasons,

0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, Claire Foy put her whole pussy into that role.

0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Vanessa Vanessa Kirby as Princess Margaret was so incredible. I

0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.399
<v Speaker 1>love Vanessa Kirby. I wish she wasn't just relegated to

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<v Speaker 1>like those weird like Fast and the Furious spin off movies,

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.080
<v Speaker 1>although I am always happy to see her in the

0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Mission Possible movies. She I didn't even know she was

0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:38.840
<v Speaker 1>in either of those, but I didn't really know who

0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:42.000
<v Speaker 1>she was, but like, she's so good in the series. Yeah,

0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:47.000
<v Speaker 1>she's that's my I mean, of course I also love

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Helena Bottom carter Um, but that's my Princess Margaret Um. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, I'm enjoying it. And it just I

0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:58.199
<v Speaker 1>like held off on it for so long because I

0:22:58.200 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I'm not in the right headspace, Like

0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:01.800
<v Speaker 1>it's so serious, it's so dramatic. And then as soon

0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:03.440
<v Speaker 1>as they started watching I was like, I want to

0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.040
<v Speaker 1>sit here for the next ten hours and and just

0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:10.480
<v Speaker 1>watch this show. Yeah, I'm do wish like it's this

0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 1>This season in particular is like not as like fun

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:17.160
<v Speaker 1>like for lack of a better word, right now, um

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:20.320
<v Speaker 1>as like previous seasons like there's less like kind of

0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:24.120
<v Speaker 1>sometimes like I enjoy the hijinks of the royal family

0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and this one deals with a lot of like heavy

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.639
<v Speaker 1>subject matter. But yeah, I mean, Elizabeth Debecci is like

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<v Speaker 1>eyeliner alone, like they knew what they were doing with

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:35.760
<v Speaker 1>the eyeliner, Like come on, I'm also so happy that

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.280
<v Speaker 1>they I mean, Netflix even tweeted something about this, that

0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:42.399
<v Speaker 1>the Crown let Elizabeth Debeccy be tall, and I do appreciate.

0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I do appreciate that they don't have everyone around her

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.480
<v Speaker 1>like standing on you know, like blocks and like with

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:50.760
<v Speaker 1>lifts in their shoes, and that she just is taller

0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.479
<v Speaker 1>than everyone. If if they had c G, i'd everyone

0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:57.439
<v Speaker 1>taller like like Tom like no, like Gandalf in the

0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:03.399
<v Speaker 1>Hobbits like style, Oh my Godbeth Debecci should play what

0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:06.840
<v Speaker 1>if they what if they actually like reconstructed the entirety

0:24:06.880 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 1>of the Crown set to appear physically bigger, so that

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Elizabeth Debecci should be in season two

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Rings of Power. Um, if that happens, don't even with

0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 1>me that Like literally, anyone like that I recognize in

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Rings of Power would be great. But Elizabeth Debecci and

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Rings of Power, Damn, Elizabeth Debeccy should be in the

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:32.840
<v Speaker 1>House of the Dragon. She should be a targe Arian. Yeah,

0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.680
<v Speaker 1>that's actually much more worthy for for for her. Tom.

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:38.280
<v Speaker 1>I still have not finished Drings of Power. I don't

0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 1>know if I ever will. Uh, you know what, actually like,

0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 1>holidays are perfect time to finish it. Holidays off holidays

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.119
<v Speaker 1>are when I'm going to do my annual Lord of

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:52.200
<v Speaker 1>rewatch and kind of and honestly kind of the last

0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:54.880
<v Speaker 1>thing I'm gonna want to do after that is watching

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Watchings of Power. That's kind of that's kind of tea.

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 1>You could like put it on background while you're, you know,

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 1>making a pie or something. I don't make pies. I

0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 1>hate that, I was so The Chronicles of Narnia is

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.440
<v Speaker 1>a fantasy series written by C. S. Lewis. Heard of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Heard of it? Yes? It was one of the few

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.720
<v Speaker 1>things I was allowed to consume growing up because it's

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:39.119
<v Speaker 1>super Christian, Because it's extremely extremely Christian, I would I

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:43.159
<v Speaker 1>would wager to say that it is uncreatively Christian. Like C. S.

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Lewis was lifting plot points from the Bible and just

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 1>putting them on the page. He plagiarized the God, God,

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 1>God herself. Yes, I also read the books as a kid.

0:25:54.320 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I think though, that my intro to the world of

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:08.879
<v Speaker 1>Narnia was specifically the nine animated movie as well. I

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>think I've talked about this before that when I was

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 1>a kid growing up, my dad was a librarian at

0:26:15.600 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a middle school, and I definitely remember him bringing home

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>the vhs of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe,

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:29.479
<v Speaker 1>the animated movie, so I could watch it, and I

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.160
<v Speaker 1>think I like stole it. So he never brought it back.

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Love you never got fined. No, he was the librarian.

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 1>What was it gonna do? Wow, I got away with it. Um.

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>That movie is stunning, so beautiful. The White Witch in

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>that movie is so fierce, the diva doll herself, God her.

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.199
<v Speaker 1>She has like this beautiful fur coat and like a

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.959
<v Speaker 1>skull cap kind of ye with a crown on top

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>up of the skull cap. Yes, iconic, It's a huge knife, yeah,

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>and very like grinch like, fluctuant facial expressions like sometimes

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.720
<v Speaker 1>she's soft and supple and queen, like another time she

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:14.199
<v Speaker 1>looks like a demon. Well, I think also part of

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that is that the animation is not great. Well, it's

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:22.919
<v Speaker 1>not great because it's from but it's actually really beautiful

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and how old it is I feel, and there was

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:29.199
<v Speaker 1>some very good animation made long before. Have you ever

0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>heard of Walt Disney Studios. No, I'm realizing that you're

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 1>talking about the kind of frames, the pick images per frame.

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 1>It's choppy, yes, it's choppy, yes, but it's beautiful. It

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 1>is beautiful, and I love that version of it. And

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:52.480
<v Speaker 1>so from there I went and read the book series, um,

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 1>the Chronicles of Narnia. So for for virgins out there,

0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is technically the

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 1>second book in the series, The Chronicles of Narnia, the

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.439
<v Speaker 1>only book most people recognize, but it was the It

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 1>was the first one that was released, and that in

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:15.120
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty by C. S. Lewis, and then he went

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:20.120
<v Speaker 1>back and wrote the first book, The Magician's Nephew, and

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 1>then all of the sequels that come after the Lion,

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>the Witch and the Wardrobe. Did you are seven books

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in total? Yeah? Um, have you read all of them? No?

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I have read I think three of them and retained

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>none of them. I feel like I definitely I might

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 1>have reread Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe because um,

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:45.120
<v Speaker 1>as a kid, we used to listen to the audio

0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>book and stuff like audio books of them are so good.

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:51.080
<v Speaker 1>But like we because my family like this is the

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 1>this is the kind of fantasy and our mainstream culture

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>that we could like indulge in because it was so

0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Christian like so so Christians, which I did not get

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 1>at first. I thought it was just fantastical. And that's

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 1>why it's a great gateway drug to Christianity. I suppose it. Really,

0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>it really is. And I let me tell you had

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the reverse experience of course, like for me Narnia rather Yeah.

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Actually Narnia and Christianity were inextricable. There was no way

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>I could consume Lyne, the Witch and the Wardrobe without

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 1>thinking about God. Wow. I didn't get any of the

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Jesus stuff, even though it's so obvious. So when you

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>go back and look at it all, I mean, you know, um,

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:37.120
<v Speaker 1>so my so I did read all the books at

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.959
<v Speaker 1>one point. The only ones that have really stuck with

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>me are obviously in the line The Witch and the Wardrobe,

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 1>because it is the best. I also love The Magician's

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Nephew because it gives you the origin story of both

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Narnia and of the White Witch Jadis. Do you remember

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>any of it like I? I unfortunately don't remember the

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 1>so so the plot of The Magician's Nephew is, there's

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 1>this boy whose uncle is a magician. It is called

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the Magician's Nephew, and with he, he and his friend Poppy,

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I believe, find their way into this place called the

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Wood between the Worlds, which is the way you get

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>into all these different universes, and they find their way

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 1>into this world called charn which is the homeworld of Jadis,

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 1>who becomes the White Witch. And the story with her

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>is that she and her sister were in this like

0:30:30.440 --> 0:30:37.000
<v Speaker 1>fierce battle for the crown um but they they said

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 1>they were not going to use magic to get the crown,

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>but then a Jadis's sister did, and they were like

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:46.880
<v Speaker 1>they were kind of like about to destroy each other.

0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>And Jadis had this um like little secret gag up

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:56.080
<v Speaker 1>sleeve which was called the deplorable word, and what the

0:30:56.200 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>deplorable word would do already sounds christian would destroy everyone

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>in the entire world except her. Oh my god, And

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 1>so at the last moment she used it, everyone in

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>the world is storied, so by default she becomes queen.

0:31:11.280 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 1>But she's like queen of nothing. So what she decides

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 1>to do is use magic to preserve herself until someone

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 1>comes along and rings a bell and unleashes her. And

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 1>so obviously the first thing these kids do when they

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>go to her world is ring a bell and she

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>comes back to life, and then she kind of um

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>hitches a ride with them back to the Wood between

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the Worlds where like her powers don't really work there

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and she gets kind of sick, and then they take

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>her to Earth. She kind of tries to take over Earth,

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't really work out, and then finally they're

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 1>able to get her back into the Wood between the Worlds.

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Before that, she like breaks off a lamp post in London,

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.200
<v Speaker 1>and then she takes that lamp post. They all make

0:31:54.240 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>their way into Narnia as Narnia is being created by

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>as Land, and the Itch tries to throw the lamppost

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>at as Land and it plants on the ground and

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>grows into the lamppost from the lion the witch on

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the wardrobe. Oh my god, I mean he that that's

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>such a gag. Now that that makes me actually want

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>to revisit the first one. It's so good and and

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, so that that quote that that is

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>a meme like, do not cite the deep magic to me,

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 1>which I was there when it was written, is referencing

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the fact that both the White Witch and as Len

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 1>were there when Narnia was created, and so that's why

0:32:36.840 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 1>they both know like the rules of the universe. And

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:41.959
<v Speaker 1>also that's where you see even more of the Bible,

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the biblical stuff coming in, because Jadis eats an apple

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>from a tree that gives her everlasting life. Of course,

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 1>of course she tries to talk the titular magician's nephew

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>into eating the apple, but he doesn't do it, and

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>that the magician's nephew is the boy who grows up

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 1>to be the old man who owns the house with

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 1>the wardrobe in it. Uh. Oh, now I understand. Okay,

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually so delighted that you summarize that for me,

0:33:19.800 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 1>because I truly retained nothing and I'm such a nerd.

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>You really are, I'm not going to lie. But it's

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 1>also impressive that you're able to retain so much about

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>like huge world they're written eons ago, but nothing about

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>like what we recorded one hour ago. Well one thing

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>is important in one thing. Um. I a lot that

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>was in conversation around C. S. Lewis um when we

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>were reading the books as kids are, like when I

0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 1>was consuming the ship was like the relationship between him

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and Tolkien, which I feel like we talked about it.

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you think they were a second No, I think

0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>well they were, obviously because I'm going to go on

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:03.720
<v Speaker 1>if there's any fiction about that. Obviously because this is

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 1>like a virgin. Of course we think that they're sucking

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>and fucking. But if in my heart of hearts to

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:11.760
<v Speaker 1>actually think they were so so repressed, and I feel

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.359
<v Speaker 1>like the vibe between them. I've read a lot about

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>their relationship, and the vibe kind of was like C. S.

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Lewis like takes a lot of credit for helping like

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>be the what they called the midwife for Tolkien's worlds.

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>Like they say that like Tolkien never would have finished

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>his work if like C. S. Lewis didn't bring him

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:31.680
<v Speaker 1>home or like encourage him all along the way. But

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.839
<v Speaker 1>I was also like, girl, your work suffered because of it,

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 1>because like no offense, like love Chronics Narnia, but like

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 1>the Chronicles of Narnia compared to Tolkien rose like nothing

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>like C. S. Lewis is out here being like this

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.439
<v Speaker 1>line talks and like this line is also Jesus Christ.

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 1>You get it. And Tolkien is like, how many languages

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>have you written? But but one is for children and

0:34:55.880 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>one is not. Okay, I mean there's violence in these

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>books too. It's like some of the you know, it's

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 1>not a children no, but these but they are children's stories.

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>And although you know, Tolkien also wrote The Hobbit as

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 1>a book for children, but then as his children grew up,

0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, he wanted to advance the idea of the

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote fairy story into something that could be consumed

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 1>by adults, because that wasn't really something that existed at

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>that time. Um. You know, they they are so obviously contemporaries,

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 1>and you know their works. I think when we think

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 1>about the legacy of fantasy are the ones that are

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:46.319
<v Speaker 1>the most in conversation with each other. And they were

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>literally and they definitely sucked each other off. Yeah, I

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 1>mean they were working on these like literal fan fictions,

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 1>like working on their own little fan fictions, like in

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.359
<v Speaker 1>like a fucking gay bar together. I mean it wasn't

0:35:57.360 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>a gay bar, but it was called the Eagle in

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 1>the Child, which is a ry like it's gay. I

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:04.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't get too deep into this, but apparently they had

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:08.759
<v Speaker 1>a falling out. They were because they broke up. Yes,

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 1>I think they had. You heard it here first j R. O.

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 1>Tolkien and C. S. Lewis, We're boyfriends, how to break up?

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>And the rest is her story. But according to Tolkiene,

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 1>like their relationship only lasted I think like twelve years

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 1>or so, and then after that they had a very

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 1>fierce like falling out. I think because C. S. Lewis

0:36:35.719 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>apparently took a job at Okay, wait wait, took a lover. Yes,

0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Lewis left Oxford and took a job as the chair

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 1>of Medieval and Renaissance Literature nerd at Cambridge. And I

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>think that they personally said they had fundamental like differing

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 1>beliefs about like what should be taught in the cannon.

0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 1>And I believe Louis was the one that's like we

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 1>should be teaching things that are like a little more

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:02.560
<v Speaker 1>not contemporary, because they didn't. Neither of them believe in

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 1>contemporary literature. But I think that like Tolkien was like

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:10.319
<v Speaker 1>nothing outside of the Canterbury Hills, it's like relevant, like

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 1>it is only Middle English. No, Middle English is so

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>fucking boring and not relevant at all to like today's society.

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 1>And I actually think it should be extract like completely

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.279
<v Speaker 1>expunged from literary canons of today. I think that we

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>as a society should decimate anything in Middle English and

0:37:26.200 --> 0:37:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not relevant. Where is the sad gay period drama

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>about Tolken and Louis's love affair. It's probably on a

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>O three. I'm gonna write it and it will be

0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>man into my policeman's style, yeah, or maybe like a

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.799
<v Speaker 1>BBC miniseries. Okay, So if you think they broke up,

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 1>what is the true story of their break up? If

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 1>this is the Wikipedia version, what's the true story? Um

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:52.720
<v Speaker 1>that they were both tops? No, they were both bottoms. No,

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't believe in those binaries. I think that Tolken

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 1>was into some like real gross orcship and Lewis was

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>very kind of pure. Yeah, like wanted to commit to

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:16.280
<v Speaker 1>the bit but couldn't really. You know. Also, Tolkien had children,

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 1>so maybe he wanted he wanted, you know, he wanted

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.759
<v Speaker 1>to live in the straight world. Lewis was just his

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:26.279
<v Speaker 1>childless fag friends and C. S. Lewis, you know, I

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know, actually a C. S. Lewis had children. I

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.320
<v Speaker 1>would imagine he did. It seems like he would. Um,

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 1>it seems like a thing he would. I'm just gonna

0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:35.879
<v Speaker 1>say they just had some like Drap McQueen breakup. They

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.839
<v Speaker 1>loved each other, but it didn't work out, And who knows,

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 1>maybe if it weren't for you know, the society that

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 1>you know wouldn't let them be together, maybe they would have.

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Or maybe they were just petty and jealous of each

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>other's work, which is like what I think happened. I

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 1>think they were both jealous of each other's work because

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>like if Tolkien credited Lewis to helping him create this

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>like big thing, like would that not create strain on

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:04.680
<v Speaker 1>their relationship, Like if someone was helping you through years

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>and years and years like birth this like massive franchise

0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:13.279
<v Speaker 1>level epic. Sure, but of course they would grow to

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 1>hate each other but you know what, at the end

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 1>of the day, they were both um white men who

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 1>are dead and bald and bald wigs snatch and let's

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about talk about the diva's they created. So we

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>talked a little bit about the White Witch. Okay, there's

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 1>also Aslan, who is you know, the Jesus figure. Talk

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:37.760
<v Speaker 1>about a stunt queen. I definitely wanted to fuck Aslan

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 1>and pretty much every version of The Lion, the Witch

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 1>and the Wardrobe that's been made. Aslan is objectively hot,

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.560
<v Speaker 1>but like played by Liam Neeson a little on the nose,

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 1>like they knew how hot Aslan was. Yeah, the set, Yes,

0:39:55.160 --> 0:40:01.759
<v Speaker 1>let's let's see if there's Aslin move face upport x

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:09.160
<v Speaker 1>x X what is it? Oh my god, oh my god,

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, oh my god, I've gone too far.

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:20.879
<v Speaker 1>If you are scandalized that anyway, that's saying something as

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:25.319
<v Speaker 1>Lands very hot. Also, okay, so let's talk about the

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 1>movie franchise. Um, So, The Lion, The Witch and the

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Wardrobe film series the Saga. The franchise came out in

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:39.640
<v Speaker 1>two thousand five. I think that's probably how most people

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 1>of our generation and younger were introduced to it. This

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:51.360
<v Speaker 1>was sort of like post Harry Potter post Lord of

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 1>the Rings. I think studios realizing that there was a

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:05.839
<v Speaker 1>first for you know, fantasy, I p and um. I

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 1>love the two thousand and five film. I think it's

0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 1>so good. It gave the world several people. It gave

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 1>us James McAvoy this was his breakout? What? Yeah? This

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:20.439
<v Speaker 1>is his breakout? Yeah? Girl, what else did you think

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>it was? I'm freaking out. I thought he was an

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:28.319
<v Speaker 1>established actor by this. No, this was his big bready.

0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:33.400
<v Speaker 1>It was also Tilda Swinton's big break That's also crazy.

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I did not know that either. That's crazy to me. Wow,

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:43.720
<v Speaker 1>and they Winton just Winton wear with dreadlocks. I mean, okay,

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:45.800
<v Speaker 1>but can we also can we just talk about the

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:49.520
<v Speaker 1>production design in general. I rewatched this movie for the record,

0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>so it's fresh on my mind. Stunning. It's like beautiful,

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 1>beautiful film. I remembered it being kind of generic, and

0:41:57.239 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 1>when I watched, I was like, every single aim is

0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 1>actually like better than most of what I watched. And

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Rings of Power, my god, the moment where Lucy pulls

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the sheet off the wardrobe. I mean, honestly, everything the

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Queen wears is so stunning. Aside from the dreads, but

0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>like the fact that her icicle crown gets slowly smaller,

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>does the world melt well? I do kind of a

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 1>gag like I do get sad when the winter goes away,

0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 1>because I think that's the countiest part of the movie.

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a really county and it's also what you remember

0:42:30.640 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>when you think of the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe,

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:37.399
<v Speaker 1>which is why it's canonically a Christmas film. It is well,

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:41.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Santa is literally a character in the movie.

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Just so once again loser behavior from C. S. Lewis.

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:50.279
<v Speaker 1>I think like writing Santa into your story, bro and

0:42:50.320 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Tolkien is over here creating like worlds of like orcs

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and elves and author languages like you wrote Santa. But

0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I do also think that Santa in the movie hot.

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.839
<v Speaker 1>I was waiting for you to say it, he's a daddy. Yeah.

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Watching a lot of like fantasy stuff that we watched

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 1>today when it whether it's like Marvel or like any

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of like you know, original they make a live

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 1>action Snow White movie or all these other things they're

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.759
<v Speaker 1>trying to like make from original. I p it's like

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 1>it feels regurgitated. A lot of it or it feels

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 1>like a rushed job. And there's something about this that

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 1>just feels so it felt so fresh, and I think that, well,

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>it's also all practical, like now we live in the

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>era of everything is c G I and this is

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:54.719
<v Speaker 1>it's even if it's all on sound stages, which I'm

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>sure it all is. Like outside of Aslan and some

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 1>of the end the other like talking animal characters, this

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 1>is a world that feels tangible. Well, actually, the war

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.319
<v Speaker 1>is all c G I and and and at the

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 1>end of the line, the Witch and the wardrobe and

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I actually but I actually think it's kind of fine

0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:17.080
<v Speaker 1>because they gave us everything else, you know what I mean,

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>like and I think a lot of that, you know,

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like what I I just honestly was

0:44:23.000 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 1>watching this and I was like, if you told I mean,

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:27.319
<v Speaker 1>the c G is like a little but like if

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 1>you had told me it came out two years ago,

0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I would believe you. But that's how stunning it was.

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:37.759
<v Speaker 1>That moment when all the Pevenses walk through the wardrobe

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:42.279
<v Speaker 1>for the first time into Narnia into the snow, like

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>that captures something about childhood and the ability for regular

0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 1>things to become extraordinary, like in a way that is

0:44:56.560 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 1>so profound, and you could tell that the person don't

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:01.879
<v Speaker 1>even know who made this movie, but like you could

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 1>tell that there was a love for the story. And

0:45:04.800 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 1>I also felt like, who ever made this movie how

0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:10.080
<v Speaker 1>to love for the animated movie. There's a lot of

0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:14.520
<v Speaker 1>things that imagistically replicate what the nineteen seventy nine just

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:17.360
<v Speaker 1>little hints here and there, like what the nineteen seventy

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 1>nine movie did, And I love that because it was

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>still reinterpreted. Right, Yeah, well, probably all the different adaptations

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>are somewhat in conversation with each other. Have you ever

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>seen the BBC mini series from that from the late eighties?

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Does it do all of the books? Yeah? All of them?

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Did you? Yeah? I watched them. I definitely watched The Lion,

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>The Witch and the Wardrobe more than any of the

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 1>other ones. But I have seen all of them. They're

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>not my favorites. So of the film annotations that started

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and five, there were two sequels, Prince

0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:56.760
<v Speaker 1>Caspian and The Voyage of the Dawn Treader for Flops,

0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.400
<v Speaker 1>which were kind of flops, although they did in reduced

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Ben Barnes to the world that was he was in

0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 1>that Netflix show Shadow and Bone. He has been in

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff. He's like a hunky British guy.

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:15.919
<v Speaker 1>He also is a very popular fan cast for a young,

0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:22.359
<v Speaker 1>serious black Oh and I think he's super sexy. Um.

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 1>There were plans for a fourth movie, The Silver Chair,

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 1>which is I think one of the better books and

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:35.800
<v Speaker 1>also well, something the movies did was Tilda Swinton appeared

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>in all of the sequels, even though even though after

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:43.399
<v Speaker 1>The White which is killed, like they make allusions to her,

0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and um, they knew how much she carried well either

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.320
<v Speaker 1>even in I don't remember if it's in Prince Caspian

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:53.400
<v Speaker 1>our Voyage of the down Treader, but in one of

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 1>them they attempt to resurrect her and so she comes back,

0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and that is in the book, but it's like they

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, they don't actually do it. But like,

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 1>if you got Tilda, you're gonna use Tilda, yeah, which

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 1>is kind of like, I mean, I'm sure they just

0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 1>wanted to like get these kids in movies as fast

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>as they could before they like went fully through puberty,

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.239
<v Speaker 1>even though they kind of did, but like they really

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 1>should have just gone straight to Magician's nephew because that

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:25.560
<v Speaker 1>to me. I know, I wish there was a magician's

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:30.239
<v Speaker 1>nephew movies so badly so um. It was announced a

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago that Netflix had bought their rights

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:37.480
<v Speaker 1>to UM Narnia and they were going to make either

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 1>a series or films series. It's still in development. There

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:46.320
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been really any news on it. I think maybe

0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:50.200
<v Speaker 1>like COVID slowed down the plans, but hopefully it happens

0:47:50.239 --> 0:47:52.319
<v Speaker 1>one day. I wonder I would love to see it.

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:56.359
<v Speaker 1>I wonder how Narnia. I mean, like two five wasn't

0:47:56.400 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that long ago, but culturally it's kind of ago, and

0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 1>I wonder how receptive the world might be now to

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:08.719
<v Speaker 1>something that is so explicitly Christian, like, well, it's it's

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 1>so pure, and yeah, it's so pure. And the thing

0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:14.920
<v Speaker 1>about all fantasy media now is that it has to

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 1>have a level of meta nous to it. It has

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:24.880
<v Speaker 1>to be commenting on what fantasy is in the modern era.

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:29.399
<v Speaker 1>And that's why, you know, we have something like The Magicians,

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:31.880
<v Speaker 1>which is a book series by Love Grossman that was

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:36.239
<v Speaker 1>turned into a TV series on sci fi that is

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 1>very and I'm not using this word negatively derivative of

0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 1>chronicles of Narnia because it's a book that sort of

0:48:44.600 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 1>remixes Narnia and Harry Potter in this way, it's a

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:52.280
<v Speaker 1>little Harry Potter too. So um, if you have never

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:56.240
<v Speaker 1>read the books or watched the TV show, it's about

0:48:56.680 --> 0:49:00.400
<v Speaker 1>um this guy Quentin who's like very depress ust and

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.680
<v Speaker 1>gets into a magical college and the books and then

0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 1>grad school in the TV show, and he also had

0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:11.319
<v Speaker 1>a childhood obsession with a series of novels that are

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 1>a stand in for Narnia, but the world is called

0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Phillery in the Magicians, and after he goes to magic school,

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>he discovers that Philery is actually a real place and

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:27.920
<v Speaker 1>he and his friends go there and it's so meta,

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 1>like to a crazy extent, And it's basically like the

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:35.160
<v Speaker 1>whole idea of the series is what if you were

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:39.239
<v Speaker 1>like super obsessed with fantasy and that thing that people

0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:43.680
<v Speaker 1>are obsessed with fantasy, that that idea you have that like, oh,

0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 1>one day, I'll like walk into a wardrobe and it

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.239
<v Speaker 1>will take me into Narnia. Like what if that actually happened?

0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:55.120
<v Speaker 1>And would that actually make you any happier than you

0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 1>were before or would you still just like be depressed

0:49:58.239 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 1>but you would be in a magical world. Those are

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the themes that I like want to see if the

0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:05.879
<v Speaker 1>if like it's ever made into if like Narnia has

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:07.759
<v Speaker 1>ever made into a series. Right, it feels like The

0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Magicians was kind of like the the adultification of some

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 1>of these like tropes and themes, because I think, you know,

0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the stories are actually like they have violence in them,

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:22.880
<v Speaker 1>like or at least the ones that I read like

0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 1>had violence in them more like adult themes or whatever. Um.

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 1>But there's room for it to go all the way

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>if it wanted to. But you know, I'm sure they

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>would never because they would if if Netflix or whoever

0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 1>ever made this again, they probably want to prioritize like

0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:41.840
<v Speaker 1>a family Christmas movie. Well. Also, I'm sure that whoever

0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.080
<v Speaker 1>controls the rights to the books, like I'm sure there's

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 1>like a C. S. Lewis Foundation, they probably have very

0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:56.839
<v Speaker 1>strict guidelines in place about how these novels can be adapted. Wait,

0:50:56.880 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 1>we should talk about that because I feel like the morality,

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.640
<v Speaker 1>this is something that we spoke about when we were

0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 1>talking through our like Rings of Power recaps, that you know,

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 1>the morality and the kind of good versus bad thing

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.880
<v Speaker 1>that exists in Lord of the Rings is like cranked

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:16.240
<v Speaker 1>up to the inst degree in the world of Narnia,

0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:22.400
<v Speaker 1>like almost to a to a problematic level, like something

0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:28.200
<v Speaker 1>um I have. Oh that some people talk about is Susan,

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>who is one of the Pavency children. I don't know

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:33.960
<v Speaker 1>if you've ever heard of this, but there's a short

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.400
<v Speaker 1>story that Neil Gaiman wrote called the Problem of Susan.

0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Because so the ending of the books is really fucked up.

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you're if you know. So in

0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the last book you find out that all the Peavency

0:51:48.719 --> 0:51:53.480
<v Speaker 1>children died in a train accident and they all go

0:51:53.800 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 1>to basically like heaven in Narnia, and and it's supposed

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 1>to be like a good thing that they're all dead,

0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:07.799
<v Speaker 1>but they're together in heaven, except Susan doesn't get to go.

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:12.879
<v Speaker 1>And the reasoning that as Land gives them is because

0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:17.040
<v Speaker 1>she had become obsessed with like makeup and boys and

0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:20.359
<v Speaker 1>stuff and had become like super jaded, and so she

0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:23.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't get to go to heaven with her dead family.

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:26.840
<v Speaker 1>And oh, my god, now I need to read you

0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:30.640
<v Speaker 1>have to so this. In this short story, it's about

0:52:30.680 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 1>a student who's interviewing a professor of like children's literature,

0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:42.680
<v Speaker 1>and the professor actually is Susan all grown up, and

0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:46.719
<v Speaker 1>there's like some really great scenes of um, you know,

0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 1>there's like this part where she talks about as Land

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:52.680
<v Speaker 1>fucking the White Witch, and it's just like it's super

0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:57.120
<v Speaker 1>fucked up, and it's just like really great commentary on

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:01.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, the like very kind of pucked up morality

0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:05.239
<v Speaker 1>of C. S. Lewis and and the way that he

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.960
<v Speaker 1>did not treat especially the female character as well. You know,

0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:13.400
<v Speaker 1>they were either very pure children or evil witches and

0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:16.480
<v Speaker 1>they're kind of was no in between for women, kind

0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of the same way that for Tolkien it was either

0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:22.840
<v Speaker 1>like Galadriel or nothing. And it must be said that

0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.799
<v Speaker 1>they had this C. S. Lewis Untilkien had like a

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.799
<v Speaker 1>writing group called like the Inklings or something faggy like that,

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>and they would not allow women in this writers They

0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:34.600
<v Speaker 1>were all fucking and I mean it was also like

0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I think that like Oxford didn't like allow like a

0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:40.480
<v Speaker 1>woman to like study their until like ny or something

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:42.600
<v Speaker 1>like that. But like it's still just like it's stupid.

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 1>It's so clear what their worlds were. I'm actually shook

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:49.759
<v Speaker 1>that there are even like women characters in like Narnia,

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:51.760
<v Speaker 1>but like, let's I want to talk about the morality

0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:55.520
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit more because Aslan is as Jesus

0:53:56.320 --> 0:54:00.160
<v Speaker 1>is so ham fisted, and I think it's really interesting

0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:03.439
<v Speaker 1>that Aslan is kind of like one of those characters,

0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.719
<v Speaker 1>one of those like all seeing, all powerful characters that

0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:11.080
<v Speaker 1>has tons of information that would be helpful to the

0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:13.360
<v Speaker 1>rest of the characters, but withholds it for no reason,

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.799
<v Speaker 1>like a Dumbledore or a Gandalf or you know, but

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 1>like no one it's never explained why Aslin disappeared for

0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:23.840
<v Speaker 1>ages and let like Narnia become always winter, never Christmas,

0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:25.960
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. I'm sure that's explained, like

0:54:26.000 --> 0:54:29.319
<v Speaker 1>in the actual mythology of it, but like it's so funny.

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:32.839
<v Speaker 1>It's like and also um, like when Aslan sacrifices, well,

0:54:32.880 --> 0:54:38.560
<v Speaker 1>when he's crucified, like literally crucified like Jesus, like he

0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:42.919
<v Speaker 1>never explains to anyone why it's happening. I mean he well,

0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.840
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't explain it only after happening. He explains it

0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:48.400
<v Speaker 1>all after. It's like at any point he could tell

0:54:48.960 --> 0:54:51.959
<v Speaker 1>anybody in this story like hey, don't worry, I'm gonna

0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:54.040
<v Speaker 1>get die. But I'm gonna come back in like twenty

0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:57.040
<v Speaker 1>four hours. Like it's chill. But like the crucifixion scene,

0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:59.839
<v Speaker 1>like we have to say, like chriscifixion is hot. Well,

0:54:59.880 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't get a crucified, he gets stabbed, he gets

0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:06.480
<v Speaker 1>on the stone table. Yes, but he's crucified. He's he's crucified, period,

0:55:06.640 --> 0:55:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Like that's crucifixion. Crucifixion is like a communal killing of

0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:16.920
<v Speaker 1>someone on the basis of like sin Pennant. So does

0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:20.040
<v Speaker 1>that not have to actually be on a cross? Um No,

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:22.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean like it's crucial. I mean it is, yeah,

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.080
<v Speaker 1>on a cross, but it is a crucifix like it's

0:55:25.080 --> 0:55:28.239
<v Speaker 1>a crucifixion, like it's it's literally nothing else like the

0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:31.279
<v Speaker 1>ritual sacrifice. Yes, and but instead of across is a

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:34.239
<v Speaker 1>stone table, which is again another ham fisted metaphor for

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:37.919
<v Speaker 1>like whatever the cross was. But like it's I love

0:55:37.960 --> 0:55:41.480
<v Speaker 1>that they shaved him. They shaved as lab again, they

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:44.840
<v Speaker 1>gave him a makeover before they killed him. And then

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:49.319
<v Speaker 1>in the movie, um, the White Witch like wears his

0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:52.200
<v Speaker 1>fur as part of her look when she charges it

0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:54.759
<v Speaker 1>when she charges into battle at the end, which is

0:55:55.520 --> 0:55:58.960
<v Speaker 1>so petty and also fierce it's a serve and she

0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:01.680
<v Speaker 1>was like, hey, you goblin over here, take this hair

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:05.120
<v Speaker 1>and make me something aware tomorrow. Oh my god, that's

0:56:05.200 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 1>such I didn't even realize that when it happened on screen.

0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Did you know that not only are there film adaptations

0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:18.640
<v Speaker 1>and TV adaptations, there's also a musical adaptation of The Lion,

0:56:18.719 --> 0:56:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the Witch and the Wardrobe. And do you want to

0:56:22.160 --> 0:56:26.040
<v Speaker 1>know who might have appeared in a production of the

0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:28.359
<v Speaker 1>Land of the Witch of the Wardrobe the musical when

0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:31.319
<v Speaker 1>they were in medical school? Medical school, when they were

0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:35.440
<v Speaker 1>in middle school? Oh my god, you yes. Do you

0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:38.239
<v Speaker 1>want to know what role I played? Have I heard

0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:42.600
<v Speaker 1>this word? Were you the narrator? No? I was. I

0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:49.560
<v Speaker 1>was the professor who owns the house. No, that's it.

0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:53.880
<v Speaker 1>And you know what made it worse is that the professor.

0:56:53.920 --> 0:56:56.319
<v Speaker 1>So the way that the show is written is that

0:56:56.800 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the professor and as Land are supposed to be played

0:56:59.640 --> 0:57:03.080
<v Speaker 1>by this same actor, but they only cast me as

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:08.799
<v Speaker 1>the professor. But I have this song. I think it's

0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:12.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe like the second song in the show, and it's

0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:16.600
<v Speaker 1>called doors and Windows, and I do still remember it.

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:25.320
<v Speaker 1>No doors and windows open and close to high door exposed.

0:57:25.400 --> 0:57:32.480
<v Speaker 1>One just waiting for you. That's just a little intrigue. Um,

0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:37.040
<v Speaker 1>wasn't good? Was a musical good? No? No, it wasn't.

0:57:53.920 --> 0:57:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Admit is such a little ship like I mean, just

0:57:56.920 --> 0:58:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the name Edmund. I mean, but yet another much like Susan,

0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Yet another kid that is like literally a child, literally

0:58:06.080 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 1>a child making a child's mistake, and like, yeah, but

0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:14.320
<v Speaker 1>he like sells his whole family little Judas, Yes he

0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:17.840
<v Speaker 1>is that. He is definitely the Judas for candy candy.

0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever had Turkish delight? Yes, that's not that good. No, No,

0:58:21.760 --> 0:58:24.120
<v Speaker 1>when it's good, it's good to you. It's like it's

0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:28.440
<v Speaker 1>like gelatine covered in powdered sugar. Honey. Literally all Turkish

0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:30.920
<v Speaker 1>delight is honey. Yes that's true. But the thing is,

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:33.479
<v Speaker 1>it's about the flavoring. It's about the consistency. It's about

0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:35.440
<v Speaker 1>how much gelatin you use right, because if you use

0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:39.120
<v Speaker 1>too much gelatin, it gets really chilly, really gummy, really nasty.

0:58:39.400 --> 0:58:42.400
<v Speaker 1>But if you do it really light, it's soft and

0:58:42.440 --> 0:58:44.919
<v Speaker 1>melts in your mouth. If you're using like the right

0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:48.440
<v Speaker 1>ingredients and the right execution. Let me tell you, we

0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:50.880
<v Speaker 1>need to go get something good Turkish. I do remember

0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:52.840
<v Speaker 1>that when we did that production of The Lion, the

0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Witch and the Wardrobe. At rehearsal, one day, someone's mom

0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:01.200
<v Speaker 1>brought us Turkish delight to eat, and we were all

0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:03.840
<v Speaker 1>expecting some kind of like we were expecting to have

0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:08.320
<v Speaker 1>our minds blown. We're expecting to have our pussies rocks.

0:59:08.880 --> 0:59:15.880
<v Speaker 1>And then someone opens his tin of like powdered gelatine

0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and we're like the fuck. It's an extremely British delicacy.

0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Like Brits love like the taste of like some sort

0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:30.600
<v Speaker 1>of like gummy thing that is flavored like perfume, like rose.

0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Turkish light is disgusting, Like that sounds kind of good. Actually, oh,

0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I hate the taste of rose, especially in gelatine. But

0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Turkish light comes in so many different flavors. I don't

0:59:40.360 --> 0:59:42.200
<v Speaker 1>funk with Turkish light that has nuts in it, or

0:59:42.200 --> 0:59:44.960
<v Speaker 1>like pistachios. That's not like I don't like nuts and

0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:49.160
<v Speaker 1>gelatine combined. But um in the Borough Market in London

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Town ever heard of it? They, you know, there are

0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:53.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's like this anymore, but when I,

0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:57.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, was there, they were like huge like lanes

0:59:57.280 --> 1:00:01.480
<v Speaker 1>and swaths that were just Turkish to live. So many ridles.

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<v Speaker 1>I do love the way that she takes off her

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<v Speaker 1>little potion and drops it onto the snow, and then

1:00:08.160 --> 1:00:13.600
<v Speaker 1>the Turkish light just appears. Stunning, stunning, Tilda, stunning. This

1:00:13.800 --> 1:00:18.560
<v Speaker 1>is Tilda's best work. No, that's not true. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a role that so actually I was about to say

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<v Speaker 1>this is a role that only Tilda could do, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually not true. A lot of action. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>actually think it's specific to Tilda. No, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that's I don't think that would you cast instead literally

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<v Speaker 1>any fierce white woman to play the white wing. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think Tilda has this like this alien quality to her.

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<v Speaker 1>But also a lot of those women have played witches

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<v Speaker 1>who are kind of derivative of the way, which like

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's and The Huntsman, like Julianne Moore. There was some

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<v Speaker 1>like weird fantasy movie that she played a witch in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in Snow White as well another Snow White, um Angelina

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<v Speaker 1>Jolie as Maleficent. Like Tilda's so good as a witch.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you you know that Suspiria is one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite films and she plays a witch, and

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<v Speaker 1>that I just think when I rewatched it, she's fear.

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<v Speaker 1>She's amazing, She's sublime. She does have the alien quality.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a role that's easy to make fierce, like I, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>and the production design does so much, not to de

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<v Speaker 1>great her work, but it does so much work in

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<v Speaker 1>addition to what she's doing. I don't know. I think

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<v Speaker 1>she elevates the movie, and like, yes I can, it

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<v Speaker 1>is elevated. Yes I can. I can look back and

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<v Speaker 1>and say that some of that is my bias of

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<v Speaker 1>just knowing who Tilda is, because I, you know, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>obviously when I saw this for the first time. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do think she has this quality to her where

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<v Speaker 1>she can do so much with just one look. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this one moment where after she has been plotting

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<v Speaker 1>with Edmund and she sends him on his way to

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<v Speaker 1>go like lure his family back to Narnia, she does

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<v Speaker 1>this thing where she looks at him she goes, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna miss you so much, and it's just like it's

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<v Speaker 1>so good I forgotten. She has lots of little lines

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<v Speaker 1>like that, like um, when she sends her wolf to

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<v Speaker 1>go find the heaven ses, she goes, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>to do? You know what to do. Um she every

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<v Speaker 1>single second of that and the fight scenes Steva sher

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<v Speaker 1>swords double swords. It's so fucking fierce a sigh being

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<v Speaker 1>driven by polar bears. I don't know why I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>shitting on Rings of Powers so much, but literally, like

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<v Speaker 1>her with two swords is cooler than anything that happened

1:02:52.800 --> 1:02:55.600
<v Speaker 1>the entirety of like Rings of Power. You can't compete

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<v Speaker 1>where you can't compare. Yeah, I'm sorry, Like, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>it made me. I is watching it, and I actually

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<v Speaker 1>I turned it on to be a background watch, like

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I was going to look at my phone

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<v Speaker 1>or like clean the house or something, and I sat

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<v Speaker 1>down because I was like, damn, I forgot how good

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<v Speaker 1>this movie is. You know who I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>see as the White Witch if um the like a

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<v Speaker 1>new adaptation does end up happening. I think Michelleos the

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<v Speaker 1>White Witch would be incredible. I want to see her

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<v Speaker 1>play a villain. Okay. Something that's like not really talked

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<v Speaker 1>about is the fact that Mr Tumnus is like pretty

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<v Speaker 1>rapey in that he is a full grown satyr who

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<v Speaker 1>has brought this child into his home multiple and then

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<v Speaker 1>like does love her to sleep essentially date rape. But

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing so I guess what happens in that

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<v Speaker 1>scene is he kind of thinks he's going to give

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<v Speaker 1>her over to the witch and then has a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of change of heart and decides he can't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't. You gets turned to stone and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>he gets turned to stone, which like, would you which

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<v Speaker 1>God to the girl? You would you have turned her in? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, because the White Witches kind of like fear,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I would have been on her side totally. If

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<v Speaker 1>I would have been team I would have been her.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have been Yeah, I would have been team Asland.

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<v Speaker 1>But if Asland has been gone for years, that sucks,

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<v Speaker 1>like your leader to desert you like God, and he's God.

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<v Speaker 1>God has deserted you and then comes back. It's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in charge again. By the way, Edmund, you are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be crucified. J K, I'm going to crucify

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<v Speaker 1>myself and take all the credit, like all the glory

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<v Speaker 1>for that for sure. And the Witch's crew, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say, is so much cooler than the good side.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know when when they sacrifice as Land and

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<v Speaker 1>they show up and all those like goblins and ghouls

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff for like partying. That's like I've been to

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<v Speaker 1>parties that looked pretty much exactly like that. Yeah, Veil

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<v Speaker 1>of Kashmir, Yeah, that was spectrum totally. It was giving

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<v Speaker 1>berlin um and you know the like, Yeah, I like

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<v Speaker 1>the centaurs and stuff like, they're kind of hot. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you fuck a centaur or get sucked by a centaur? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're getting sucked my center, that's like sad some

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<v Speaker 1>permanent damn it. Yeah, it's a lot of dick. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this in our porn episode. But like the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of wrecking my whole as I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>yuck anybody's not my tea. I don't want to permanently

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<v Speaker 1>alter my whole, and I think that with a center

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<v Speaker 1>that is the case. Let me look up some center born. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you ever watched the video to death to death,

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<v Speaker 1>he died God, oh wow, oh my god, look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot they died. That's so sad. He died following

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<v Speaker 1>he died doing what he loved. To death my horn.

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<v Speaker 1>What a way to go. Let me answer your question. Actually, realistically, no,

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<v Speaker 1>in my fantasy world, getting funed by a center is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely hot. Humanoids very hot to me, centaurs and and

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<v Speaker 1>and satyr's extremely hot to me. Giant horse cock. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but some which magical creature are you are you most

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<v Speaker 1>interested in having sex with? I think it would be

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<v Speaker 1>a center, if not an elf, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of cheating, But yeah, I think it would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of be a humans. I think there's something. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's something really erotic about horses. This is why

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<v Speaker 1>I was obsessed with equis as a kid. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a horse girl, not as a kid. As a

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<v Speaker 1>college student, but I did you know that I took

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually horse cock shop. This is a gag. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I've ever told you this. When

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<v Speaker 1>I was in college, I enrolled and took a full

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<v Speaker 1>course on horses throughout literature, and I wrote my term yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wrote my turn this is a horse girl podcast. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wrote my paper on the kind of thematic

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<v Speaker 1>um importance of horses in the Lord of the Rings

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<v Speaker 1>franchise and followed like several yes, and I followed a

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<v Speaker 1>few different horses through the franchise about like and what

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<v Speaker 1>their meanings were whatever. And my horse teacher, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was so good that she submitted my essay for

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<v Speaker 1>a contest that I won contest Shadow Facts King of

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<v Speaker 1>the Horses. Oh my god, I have so many virgins.

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<v Speaker 1>This has just evolved into us looking at Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that we can find a way to turn

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<v Speaker 1>children's fantasy literature into the conversation about fantasy horse cock

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<v Speaker 1>slide into our d M s at Like a Virgin

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<v Speaker 1>tell us, um, are you a lion, a witch, or

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<v Speaker 1>a wardrobe? Which one do you identify? A wardrobe? For sure?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a witch and if Phoebe is a lion, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you are a lion? Okay, and um next week we

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<v Speaker 1>The center is pussy looks like an egg bag. Literally

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