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Speaker 1: show we give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes. I'm Rasdami

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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving Virgins. We hope that you are surrounded by

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Speaker 1: hope that you are celebrating anti imperialism and that you

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Speaker 1: understand that this is a wretched little holiday that has

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Speaker 1: making a pie or something. I don't make pies. I

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Speaker 1: hate that, I was so The Chronicles of Narnia is

427
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: a fantasy series written by C. S. Lewis. Heard of it?

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Speaker 1: Heard of it? Yes? It was one of the few

429
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: things I was allowed to consume growing up because it's

430
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Speaker 1: super Christian, Because it's extremely extremely Christian, I would I

431
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: would wager to say that it is uncreatively Christian. Like C. S.

432
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: Lewis was lifting plot points from the Bible and just

433
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Speaker 1: putting them on the page. He plagiarized the God, God,

434
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: God herself. Yes, I also read the books as a kid.

435
00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: I think though, that my intro to the world of

436
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: Narnia was specifically the nine animated movie as well. I

437
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: think I've talked about this before that when I was

438
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: a kid growing up, my dad was a librarian at

439
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: a middle school, and I definitely remember him bringing home

440
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: the vhs of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe,

441
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 1: the animated movie, so I could watch it, and I

442
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: think I like stole it. So he never brought it back.

443
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: Love you never got fined. No, he was the librarian.

444
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: What was it gonna do? Wow, I got away with it. Um.

445
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: That movie is stunning, so beautiful. The White Witch in

446
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: that movie is so fierce, the diva doll herself, God her.

447
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: She has like this beautiful fur coat and like a

448
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 1: skull cap kind of ye with a crown on top

449
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: up of the skull cap. Yes, iconic, It's a huge knife, yeah,

450
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: and very like grinch like, fluctuant facial expressions like sometimes

451
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: she's soft and supple and queen, like another time she

452
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: looks like a demon. Well, I think also part of

453
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: that is that the animation is not great. Well, it's

454
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: not great because it's from but it's actually really beautiful

455
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: and how old it is I feel, and there was

456
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: some very good animation made long before. Have you ever

457
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: heard of Walt Disney Studios. No, I'm realizing that you're

458
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: talking about the kind of frames, the pick images per frame.

459
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: It's choppy, yes, it's choppy, yes, but it's beautiful. It

460
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: is beautiful, and I love that version of it. And

461
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: so from there I went and read the book series, um,

462
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: the Chronicles of Narnia. So for for virgins out there,

463
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is technically the

464
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: second book in the series, The Chronicles of Narnia, the

465
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: only book most people recognize, but it was the It

466
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: was the first one that was released, and that in

467
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty by C. S. Lewis, and then he went

468
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: back and wrote the first book, The Magician's Nephew, and

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00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: then all of the sequels that come after the Lion,

470
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Speaker 1: the Witch and the Wardrobe. Did you are seven books

471
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Speaker 1: in total? Yeah? Um, have you read all of them? No?

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00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: I have read I think three of them and retained

473
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: none of them. I feel like I definitely I might

474
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: have reread Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe because um,

475
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: as a kid, we used to listen to the audio

476
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: book and stuff like audio books of them are so good.

477
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: But like we because my family like this is the

478
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: this is the kind of fantasy and our mainstream culture

479
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: that we could like indulge in because it was so

480
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Speaker 1: Christian like so so Christians, which I did not get

481
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: at first. I thought it was just fantastical. And that's

482
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: why it's a great gateway drug to Christianity. I suppose it. Really,

483
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: it really is. And I let me tell you had

484
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: the reverse experience of course, like for me Narnia rather Yeah.

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00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: Actually Narnia and Christianity were inextricable. There was no way

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00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: I could consume Lyne, the Witch and the Wardrobe without

487
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: thinking about God. Wow. I didn't get any of the

488
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: Jesus stuff, even though it's so obvious. So when you

489
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: go back and look at it all, I mean, you know, um,

490
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: so my so I did read all the books at

491
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 1: one point. The only ones that have really stuck with

492
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: me are obviously in the line The Witch and the Wardrobe,

493
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: because it is the best. I also love The Magician's

494
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Speaker 1: Nephew because it gives you the origin story of both

495
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: Narnia and of the White Witch Jadis. Do you remember

496
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: any of it like I? I unfortunately don't remember the

497
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: so so the plot of The Magician's Nephew is, there's

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00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: this boy whose uncle is a magician. It is called

499
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: the Magician's Nephew, and with he, he and his friend Poppy,

500
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Speaker 1: I believe, find their way into this place called the

501
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: Wood between the Worlds, which is the way you get

502
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: into all these different universes, and they find their way

503
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: into this world called charn which is the homeworld of Jadis,

504
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: who becomes the White Witch. And the story with her

505
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: is that she and her sister were in this like

506
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: fierce battle for the crown um but they they said

507
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: they were not going to use magic to get the crown,

508
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: but then a Jadis's sister did, and they were like

509
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: they were kind of like about to destroy each other.

510
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: And Jadis had this um like little secret gag up

511
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: sleeve which was called the deplorable word, and what the

512
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: deplorable word would do already sounds christian would destroy everyone

513
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: in the entire world except her. Oh my god, And

514
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: so at the last moment she used it, everyone in

515
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: the world is storied, so by default she becomes queen.

516
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: But she's like queen of nothing. So what she decides

517
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: to do is use magic to preserve herself until someone

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00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: comes along and rings a bell and unleashes her. And

519
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: so obviously the first thing these kids do when they

520
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: go to her world is ring a bell and she

521
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: comes back to life, and then she kind of um

522
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: hitches a ride with them back to the Wood between

523
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: the Worlds where like her powers don't really work there

524
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: and she gets kind of sick, and then they take

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00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: her to Earth. She kind of tries to take over Earth,

526
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really work out, and then finally they're

527
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: able to get her back into the Wood between the Worlds.

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00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: Before that, she like breaks off a lamp post in London,

529
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: and then she takes that lamp post. They all make

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00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: their way into Narnia as Narnia is being created by

531
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: as Land, and the Itch tries to throw the lamppost

532
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: at as Land and it plants on the ground and

533
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: grows into the lamppost from the lion the witch on

534
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: the wardrobe. Oh my god, I mean he that that's

535
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: such a gag. Now that that makes me actually want

536
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: to revisit the first one. It's so good and and

537
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: that's you know, so that that quote that that is

538
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: a meme like, do not cite the deep magic to me,

539
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: which I was there when it was written, is referencing

540
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: the fact that both the White Witch and as Len

541
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: were there when Narnia was created, and so that's why

542
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: they both know like the rules of the universe. And

543
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,959
Speaker 1: also that's where you see even more of the Bible,

544
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: the biblical stuff coming in, because Jadis eats an apple

545
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: from a tree that gives her everlasting life. Of course,

546
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: of course she tries to talk the titular magician's nephew

547
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: into eating the apple, but he doesn't do it, and

548
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: that the magician's nephew is the boy who grows up

549
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: to be the old man who owns the house with

550
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: the wardrobe in it. Uh. Oh, now I understand. Okay,

551
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm actually so delighted that you summarize that for me,

552
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: because I truly retained nothing and I'm such a nerd.

553
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: You really are, I'm not going to lie. But it's

554
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: also impressive that you're able to retain so much about

555
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: like huge world they're written eons ago, but nothing about

556
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: like what we recorded one hour ago. Well one thing

557
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: is important in one thing. Um. I a lot that

558
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: was in conversation around C. S. Lewis um when we

559
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: were reading the books as kids are, like when I

560
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: was consuming the ship was like the relationship between him

561
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: and Tolkien, which I feel like we talked about it.

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00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: Do you think they were a second No, I think

563
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: well they were, obviously because I'm going to go on

564
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: if there's any fiction about that. Obviously because this is

565
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: like a virgin. Of course we think that they're sucking

566
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: and fucking. But if in my heart of hearts to

567
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: actually think they were so so repressed, and I feel

568
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: like the vibe between them. I've read a lot about

569
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: their relationship, and the vibe kind of was like C. S.

570
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: Lewis like takes a lot of credit for helping like

571
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: be the what they called the midwife for Tolkien's worlds.

572
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: Like they say that like Tolkien never would have finished

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00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: his work if like C. S. Lewis didn't bring him

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00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: home or like encourage him all along the way. But

575
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: I was also like, girl, your work suffered because of it,

576
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: because like no offense, like love Chronics Narnia, but like

577
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: the Chronicles of Narnia compared to Tolkien rose like nothing

578
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: like C. S. Lewis is out here being like this

579
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: line talks and like this line is also Jesus Christ.

580
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: You get it. And Tolkien is like, how many languages

581
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: have you written? But but one is for children and

582
00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: one is not. Okay, I mean there's violence in these

583
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: books too. It's like some of the you know, it's

584
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: not a children no, but these but they are children's stories.

585
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: And although you know, Tolkien also wrote The Hobbit as

586
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: a book for children, but then as his children grew up,

587
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to advance the idea of the

588
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: quote unquote fairy story into something that could be consumed

589
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: by adults, because that wasn't really something that existed at

590
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: that time. Um. You know, they they are so obviously contemporaries,

591
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: and you know their works. I think when we think

592
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: about the legacy of fantasy are the ones that are

593
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: the most in conversation with each other. And they were

594
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: literally and they definitely sucked each other off. Yeah, I

595
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: mean they were working on these like literal fan fictions,

596
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: like working on their own little fan fictions, like in

597
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: like a fucking gay bar together. I mean it wasn't

598
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: a gay bar, but it was called the Eagle in

599
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: the Child, which is a ry like it's gay. I

600
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: didn't get too deep into this, but apparently they had

601
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: a falling out. They were because they broke up. Yes,

602
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: I think they had. You heard it here first j R. O.

603
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: Tolkien and C. S. Lewis, We're boyfriends, how to break up?

604
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: And the rest is her story. But according to Tolkiene,

605
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: like their relationship only lasted I think like twelve years

606
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: or so, and then after that they had a very

607
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: fierce like falling out. I think because C. S. Lewis

608
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: apparently took a job at Okay, wait wait, took a lover. Yes,

609
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: Lewis left Oxford and took a job as the chair

610
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: of Medieval and Renaissance Literature nerd at Cambridge. And I

611
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: think that they personally said they had fundamental like differing

612
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: beliefs about like what should be taught in the cannon.

613
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: And I believe Louis was the one that's like we

614
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: should be teaching things that are like a little more

615
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: not contemporary, because they didn't. Neither of them believe in

616
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: contemporary literature. But I think that like Tolkien was like

617
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: nothing outside of the Canterbury Hills, it's like relevant, like

618
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: it is only Middle English. No, Middle English is so

619
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: fucking boring and not relevant at all to like today's society.

620
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: And I actually think it should be extract like completely

621
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: expunged from literary canons of today. I think that we

622
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: as a society should decimate anything in Middle English and

623
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: it's not relevant. Where is the sad gay period drama

624
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: about Tolken and Louis's love affair. It's probably on a

625
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: O three. I'm gonna write it and it will be

626
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: man into my policeman's style, yeah, or maybe like a

627
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: BBC miniseries. Okay, So if you think they broke up,

628
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: what is the true story of their break up? If

629
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: this is the Wikipedia version, what's the true story? Um

630
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: that they were both tops? No, they were both bottoms. No,

631
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe in those binaries. I think that Tolken

632
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: was into some like real gross orcship and Lewis was

633
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: very kind of pure. Yeah, like wanted to commit to

634
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: the bit but couldn't really. You know. Also, Tolkien had children,

635
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: so maybe he wanted he wanted, you know, he wanted

636
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: to live in the straight world. Lewis was just his

637
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Speaker 1: childless fag friends and C. S. Lewis, you know, I

638
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: don't know, actually a C. S. Lewis had children. I

639
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: would imagine he did. It seems like he would. Um,

640
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: it seems like a thing he would. I'm just gonna

641
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: say they just had some like Drap McQueen breakup. They

642
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: loved each other, but it didn't work out, And who knows,

643
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: maybe if it weren't for you know, the society that

644
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: you know wouldn't let them be together, maybe they would have.

645
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: Or maybe they were just petty and jealous of each

646
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: other's work, which is like what I think happened. I

647
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: think they were both jealous of each other's work because

648
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: like if Tolkien credited Lewis to helping him create this

649
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: like big thing, like would that not create strain on

650
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: their relationship, Like if someone was helping you through years

651
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: and years and years like birth this like massive franchise

652
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: level epic. Sure, but of course they would grow to

653
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: hate each other but you know what, at the end

654
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: of the day, they were both um white men who

655
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: are dead and bald and bald wigs snatch and let's

656
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: talk about talk about the diva's they created. So we

657
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about the White Witch. Okay, there's

658
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: also Aslan, who is you know, the Jesus figure. Talk

659
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 1: about a stunt queen. I definitely wanted to fuck Aslan

660
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: and pretty much every version of The Lion, the Witch

661
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: and the Wardrobe that's been made. Aslan is objectively hot,

662
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: but like played by Liam Neeson a little on the nose,

663
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: like they knew how hot Aslan was. Yeah, the set, Yes,

664
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Speaker 1: let's let's see if there's Aslin move face upport x

665
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Speaker 1: x X what is it? Oh my god, oh my god,

666
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god, I've gone too far.

667
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: If you are scandalized that anyway, that's saying something as

668
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: Lands very hot. Also, okay, so let's talk about the

669
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: movie franchise. Um, So, The Lion, The Witch and the

670
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: Wardrobe film series the Saga. The franchise came out in

671
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: two thousand five. I think that's probably how most people

672
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: of our generation and younger were introduced to it. This

673
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: was sort of like post Harry Potter post Lord of

674
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Speaker 1: the Rings. I think studios realizing that there was a

675
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: first for you know, fantasy, I p and um. I

676
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: love the two thousand and five film. I think it's

677
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: so good. It gave the world several people. It gave

678
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: us James McAvoy this was his breakout? What? Yeah? This

679
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: is his breakout? Yeah? Girl, what else did you think

680
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: it was? I'm freaking out. I thought he was an

681
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: established actor by this. No, this was his big bready.

682
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: It was also Tilda Swinton's big break That's also crazy.

683
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: I did not know that either. That's crazy to me. Wow,

684
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: and they Winton just Winton wear with dreadlocks. I mean, okay,

685
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: but can we also can we just talk about the

686
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: production design in general. I rewatched this movie for the record,

687
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: so it's fresh on my mind. Stunning. It's like beautiful,

688
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: beautiful film. I remembered it being kind of generic, and

689
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: when I watched, I was like, every single aim is

690
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: actually like better than most of what I watched. And

691
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: Rings of Power, my god, the moment where Lucy pulls

692
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: the sheet off the wardrobe. I mean, honestly, everything the

693
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: Queen wears is so stunning. Aside from the dreads, but

694
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: like the fact that her icicle crown gets slowly smaller,

695
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: does the world melt well? I do kind of a

696
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: gag like I do get sad when the winter goes away,

697
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: because I think that's the countiest part of the movie.

698
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: It's a really county and it's also what you remember

699
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: when you think of the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe,

700
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: which is why it's canonically a Christmas film. It is well,

701
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: I mean, Santa is literally a character in the movie.

702
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: Just so once again loser behavior from C. S. Lewis.

703
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: I think like writing Santa into your story, bro and

704
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: Tolkien is over here creating like worlds of like orcs

705
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: and elves and author languages like you wrote Santa. But

706
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: I do also think that Santa in the movie hot.

707
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: I was waiting for you to say it, he's a daddy. Yeah.

708
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: Watching a lot of like fantasy stuff that we watched

709
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: today when it whether it's like Marvel or like any

710
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: sort of like you know, original they make a live

711
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: action Snow White movie or all these other things they're

712
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: trying to like make from original. I p it's like

713
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: it feels regurgitated. A lot of it or it feels

714
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: like a rushed job. And there's something about this that

715
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: just feels so it felt so fresh, and I think that, well,

716
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: it's also all practical, like now we live in the

717
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: era of everything is c G I and this is

718
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: it's even if it's all on sound stages, which I'm

719
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: sure it all is. Like outside of Aslan and some

720
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: of the end the other like talking animal characters, this

721
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: is a world that feels tangible. Well, actually, the war

722
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: is all c G I and and and at the

723
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: end of the line, the Witch and the wardrobe and

724
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: I actually but I actually think it's kind of fine

725
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: because they gave us everything else, you know what I mean,

726
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: like and I think a lot of that, you know,

727
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: a lot of like what I I just honestly was

728
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: watching this and I was like, if you told I mean,

729
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: the c G is like a little but like if

730
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: you had told me it came out two years ago,

731
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: I would believe you. But that's how stunning it was.

732
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: That moment when all the Pevenses walk through the wardrobe

733
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: for the first time into Narnia into the snow, like

734
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: that captures something about childhood and the ability for regular

735
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: things to become extraordinary, like in a way that is

736
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: so profound, and you could tell that the person don't

737
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: even know who made this movie, but like you could

738
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: tell that there was a love for the story. And

739
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: I also felt like, who ever made this movie how

740
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: to love for the animated movie. There's a lot of

741
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: things that imagistically replicate what the nineteen seventy nine just

742
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: little hints here and there, like what the nineteen seventy

743
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: nine movie did, And I love that because it was

744
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: still reinterpreted. Right, Yeah, well, probably all the different adaptations

745
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: are somewhat in conversation with each other. Have you ever

746
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: seen the BBC mini series from that from the late eighties?

747
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: Does it do all of the books? Yeah? All of them?

748
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: Did you? Yeah? I watched them. I definitely watched The Lion,

749
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: The Witch and the Wardrobe more than any of the

750
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: other ones. But I have seen all of them. They're

751
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: not my favorites. So of the film annotations that started

752
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, there were two sequels, Prince

753
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: Caspian and The Voyage of the Dawn Treader for Flops,

754
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: which were kind of flops, although they did in reduced

755
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: Ben Barnes to the world that was he was in

756
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: that Netflix show Shadow and Bone. He has been in

757
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. He's like a hunky British guy.

758
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 1: He also is a very popular fan cast for a young,

759
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: serious black Oh and I think he's super sexy. Um.

760
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: There were plans for a fourth movie, The Silver Chair,

761
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: which is I think one of the better books and

762
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: also well, something the movies did was Tilda Swinton appeared

763
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: in all of the sequels, even though even though after

764
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: The White which is killed, like they make allusions to her,

765
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: and um, they knew how much she carried well either

766
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: even in I don't remember if it's in Prince Caspian

767
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: our Voyage of the down Treader, but in one of

768
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: them they attempt to resurrect her and so she comes back,

769
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: and that is in the book, but it's like they

770
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: talk about it, they don't actually do it. But like,

771
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: if you got Tilda, you're gonna use Tilda, yeah, which

772
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: is kind of like, I mean, I'm sure they just

773
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: wanted to like get these kids in movies as fast

774
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: as they could before they like went fully through puberty,

775
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: even though they kind of did, but like they really

776
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: should have just gone straight to Magician's nephew because that

777
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: to me. I know, I wish there was a magician's

778
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: nephew movies so badly so um. It was announced a

779
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: couple of years ago that Netflix had bought their rights

780
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: to UM Narnia and they were going to make either

781
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: a series or films series. It's still in development. There

782
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: hasn't been really any news on it. I think maybe

783
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: like COVID slowed down the plans, but hopefully it happens

784
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: one day. I wonder I would love to see it.

785
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: I wonder how Narnia. I mean, like two five wasn't

786
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: that long ago, but culturally it's kind of ago, and

787
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: I wonder how receptive the world might be now to

788
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: something that is so explicitly Christian, like, well, it's it's

789
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: so pure, and yeah, it's so pure. And the thing

790
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: about all fantasy media now is that it has to

791
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: have a level of meta nous to it. It has

792
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: to be commenting on what fantasy is in the modern era.

793
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: And that's why, you know, we have something like The Magicians,

794
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: which is a book series by Love Grossman that was

795
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: turned into a TV series on sci fi that is

796
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: very and I'm not using this word negatively derivative of

797
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: chronicles of Narnia because it's a book that sort of

798
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: remixes Narnia and Harry Potter in this way, it's a

799
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: little Harry Potter too. So um, if you have never

800
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 1: read the books or watched the TV show, it's about

801
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: um this guy Quentin who's like very depress ust and

802
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: gets into a magical college and the books and then

803
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: grad school in the TV show, and he also had

804
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: a childhood obsession with a series of novels that are

805
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: a stand in for Narnia, but the world is called

806
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: Phillery in the Magicians, and after he goes to magic school,

807
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: he discovers that Philery is actually a real place and

808
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: he and his friends go there and it's so meta,

809
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: like to a crazy extent, And it's basically like the

810
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: whole idea of the series is what if you were

811
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: like super obsessed with fantasy and that thing that people

812
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: are obsessed with fantasy, that that idea you have that like, oh,

813
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: one day, I'll like walk into a wardrobe and it

814
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: will take me into Narnia. Like what if that actually happened?

815
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: And would that actually make you any happier than you

816
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: were before or would you still just like be depressed

817
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: but you would be in a magical world. Those are

818
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: the themes that I like want to see if the

819
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: if like it's ever made into if like Narnia has

820
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: ever made into a series. Right, it feels like The

821
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: Magicians was kind of like the the adultification of some

822
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: of these like tropes and themes, because I think, you know,

823
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: the stories are actually like they have violence in them,

824
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: like or at least the ones that I read like

825
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: had violence in them more like adult themes or whatever. Um.

826
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: But there's room for it to go all the way

827
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: if it wanted to. But you know, I'm sure they

828
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: would never because they would if if Netflix or whoever

829
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: ever made this again, they probably want to prioritize like

830
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: a family Christmas movie. Well. Also, I'm sure that whoever

831
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: controls the rights to the books, like I'm sure there's

832
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: like a C. S. Lewis Foundation, they probably have very

833
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: strict guidelines in place about how these novels can be adapted. Wait,

834
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: we should talk about that because I feel like the morality,

835
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: this is something that we spoke about when we were

836
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: talking through our like Rings of Power recaps, that you know,

837
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: the morality and the kind of good versus bad thing

838
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: that exists in Lord of the Rings is like cranked

839
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 1: up to the inst degree in the world of Narnia,

840
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: like almost to a to a problematic level, like something

841
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: um I have. Oh that some people talk about is Susan,

842
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: who is one of the Pavency children. I don't know

843
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: if you've ever heard of this, but there's a short

844
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: story that Neil Gaiman wrote called the Problem of Susan.

845
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: Because so the ending of the books is really fucked up.

846
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're if you know. So in

847
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: the last book you find out that all the Peavency

848
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: children died in a train accident and they all go

849
00:51:53,800 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: to basically like heaven in Narnia, and and it's supposed

850
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: to be like a good thing that they're all dead,

851
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: but they're together in heaven, except Susan doesn't get to go.

852
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: And the reasoning that as Land gives them is because

853
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: she had become obsessed with like makeup and boys and

854
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: stuff and had become like super jaded, and so she

855
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: didn't get to go to heaven with her dead family.

856
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: And oh, my god, now I need to read you

857
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: have to so this. In this short story, it's about

858
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: a student who's interviewing a professor of like children's literature,

859
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: and the professor actually is Susan all grown up, and

860
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: there's like some really great scenes of um, you know,

861
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: there's like this part where she talks about as Land

862
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: fucking the White Witch, and it's just like it's super

863
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: fucked up, and it's just like really great commentary on

864
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, the like very kind of pucked up morality

865
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: of C. S. Lewis and and the way that he

866
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: did not treat especially the female character as well. You know,

867
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: they were either very pure children or evil witches and

868
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: they're kind of was no in between for women, kind

869
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: of the same way that for Tolkien it was either

870
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: like Galadriel or nothing. And it must be said that

871
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: they had this C. S. Lewis Untilkien had like a

872
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: writing group called like the Inklings or something faggy like that,

873
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: and they would not allow women in this writers They

874
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: were all fucking and I mean it was also like

875
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: I think that like Oxford didn't like allow like a

876
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: woman to like study their until like ny or something

877
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: like that. But like it's still just like it's stupid.

878
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: It's so clear what their worlds were. I'm actually shook

879
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: that there are even like women characters in like Narnia,

880
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: but like, let's I want to talk about the morality

881
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: like a little bit more because Aslan is as Jesus

882
00:53:56,320 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: is so ham fisted, and I think it's really interesting

883
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: that Aslan is kind of like one of those characters,

884
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: one of those like all seeing, all powerful characters that

885
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: has tons of information that would be helpful to the

886
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: rest of the characters, but withholds it for no reason,

887
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: like a Dumbledore or a Gandalf or you know, but

888
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: like no one it's never explained why Aslin disappeared for

889
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: ages and let like Narnia become always winter, never Christmas,

890
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm sure that's explained, like

891
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: in the actual mythology of it, but like it's so funny.

892
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: It's like and also um, like when Aslan sacrifices, well,

893
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: when he's crucified, like literally crucified like Jesus, like he

894
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,919
Speaker 1: never explains to anyone why it's happening. I mean he well,

895
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: he doesn't explain it only after happening. He explains it

896
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: all after. It's like at any point he could tell

897
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 1: anybody in this story like hey, don't worry, I'm gonna

898
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: get die. But I'm gonna come back in like twenty

899
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: four hours. Like it's chill. But like the crucifixion scene,

900
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: like we have to say, like chriscifixion is hot. Well,

901
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't get a crucified, he gets stabbed, he gets

902
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: on the stone table. Yes, but he's crucified. He's he's crucified, period,

903
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: Like that's crucifixion. Crucifixion is like a communal killing of

904
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: someone on the basis of like sin Pennant. So does

905
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: that not have to actually be on a cross? Um No,

906
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: I mean like it's crucial. I mean it is, yeah,

907
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: on a cross, but it is a crucifix like it's

908
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: a crucifixion, like it's it's literally nothing else like the

909
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: ritual sacrifice. Yes, and but instead of across is a

910
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: stone table, which is again another ham fisted metaphor for

911
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 1: like whatever the cross was. But like it's I love

912
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: that they shaved him. They shaved as lab again, they

913
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: gave him a makeover before they killed him. And then

914
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: in the movie, um, the White Witch like wears his

915
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: fur as part of her look when she charges it

916
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: when she charges into battle at the end, which is

917
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: so petty and also fierce it's a serve and she

918
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you goblin over here, take this hair

919
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: and make me something aware tomorrow. Oh my god, that's

920
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: such I didn't even realize that when it happened on screen.

921
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: Did you know that not only are there film adaptations

922
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: and TV adaptations, there's also a musical adaptation of The Lion,

923
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: the Witch and the Wardrobe. And do you want to

924
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: know who might have appeared in a production of the

925
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: Land of the Witch of the Wardrobe the musical when

926
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: they were in medical school? Medical school, when they were

927
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: in middle school? Oh my god, you yes. Do you

928
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: want to know what role I played? Have I heard

929
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: this word? Were you the narrator? No? I was. I

930
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: was the professor who owns the house. No, that's it.

931
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: And you know what made it worse is that the professor.

932
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: So the way that the show is written is that

933
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: the professor and as Land are supposed to be played

934
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: by this same actor, but they only cast me as

935
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: the professor. But I have this song. I think it's

936
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: maybe like the second song in the show, and it's

937
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: called doors and Windows, and I do still remember it.

938
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: No doors and windows open and close to high door exposed.

939
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: One just waiting for you. That's just a little intrigue. Um,

940
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: wasn't good? Was a musical good? No? No, it wasn't.

941
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: Admit is such a little ship like I mean, just

942
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: the name Edmund. I mean, but yet another much like Susan,

943
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: Yet another kid that is like literally a child, literally

944
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: a child making a child's mistake, and like, yeah, but

945
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: he like sells his whole family little Judas, Yes he

946
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: is that. He is definitely the Judas for candy candy.

947
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: Have you ever had Turkish delight? Yes, that's not that good. No, No,

948
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: when it's good, it's good to you. It's like it's

949
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: like gelatine covered in powdered sugar. Honey. Literally all Turkish

950
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: delight is honey. Yes that's true. But the thing is,

951
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,479
Speaker 1: it's about the flavoring. It's about the consistency. It's about

952
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: how much gelatin you use right, because if you use

953
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: too much gelatin, it gets really chilly, really gummy, really nasty.

954
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: But if you do it really light, it's soft and

955
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,919
Speaker 1: melts in your mouth. If you're using like the right

956
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: ingredients and the right execution. Let me tell you, we

957
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: need to go get something good Turkish. I do remember

958
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: that when we did that production of The Lion, the

959
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: Witch and the Wardrobe. At rehearsal, one day, someone's mom

960
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: brought us Turkish delight to eat, and we were all

961
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: expecting some kind of like we were expecting to have

962
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: our minds blown. We're expecting to have our pussies rocks.

963
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: And then someone opens his tin of like powdered gelatine

964
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: and we're like the fuck. It's an extremely British delicacy.

965
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: Like Brits love like the taste of like some sort

966
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: of like gummy thing that is flavored like perfume, like rose.

967
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: Turkish light is disgusting, Like that sounds kind of good. Actually, oh,

968
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: I hate the taste of rose, especially in gelatine. But

969
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: Turkish light comes in so many different flavors. I don't

970
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: funk with Turkish light that has nuts in it, or

971
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: like pistachios. That's not like I don't like nuts and

972
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: gelatine combined. But um in the Borough Market in London

973
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: Town ever heard of it? They, you know, there are

974
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like this anymore, but when I,

975
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: you know, was there, they were like huge like lanes

976
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: and swaths that were just Turkish to live. So many ridles.

977
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: I do love the way that she takes off her

978
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: little potion and drops it onto the snow, and then

979
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: the Turkish light just appears. Stunning, stunning, Tilda, stunning. This

980
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: is Tilda's best work. No, that's not true. This is

981
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: a role that so actually I was about to say

982
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: this is a role that only Tilda could do, but

983
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: it's actually not true. A lot of action. No, I

984
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: actually think it's specific to Tilda. No, I don't think

985
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: that's I don't think that would you cast instead literally

986
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: any fierce white woman to play the white wing. But

987
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: I think Tilda has this like this alien quality to her.

988
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: But also a lot of those women have played witches

989
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: who are kind of derivative of the way, which like

990
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: Charlie's and The Huntsman, like Julianne Moore. There was some

991
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 1: like weird fantasy movie that she played a witch in. Yeah,

992
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: in Snow White as well another Snow White, um Angelina

993
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 1: Jolie as Maleficent. Like Tilda's so good as a witch.

994
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if you you know that Suspiria is one

995
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: of my favorite films and she plays a witch, and

996
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: that I just think when I rewatched it, she's fear.

997
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: She's amazing, She's sublime. She does have the alien quality.

998
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I think it's

999
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: a role that's easy to make fierce, like I, you know, like,

1000
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: and the production design does so much, not to de

1001
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: great her work, but it does so much work in

1002
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: addition to what she's doing. I don't know. I think

1003
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: she elevates the movie, and like, yes I can, it

1004
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: is elevated. Yes I can. I can look back and

1005
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: and say that some of that is my bias of

1006
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: just knowing who Tilda is, because I, you know, didn't

1007
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: obviously when I saw this for the first time. But

1008
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: I do think she has this quality to her where

1009
01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: she can do so much with just one look. Um.

1010
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: There's this one moment where after she has been plotting

1011
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: with Edmund and she sends him on his way to

1012
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: go like lure his family back to Narnia, she does

1013
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: this thing where she looks at him she goes, I'm

1014
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: gonna miss you so much, and it's just like it's

1015
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: so good I forgotten. She has lots of little lines

1016
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: like that, like um, when she sends her wolf to

1017
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: go find the heaven ses, she goes, you know what

1018
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: to do? You know what to do. Um she every

1019
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: single second of that and the fight scenes Steva sher

1020
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: swords double swords. It's so fucking fierce a sigh being

1021
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: driven by polar bears. I don't know why I'm like

1022
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: shitting on Rings of Powers so much, but literally, like

1023
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: her with two swords is cooler than anything that happened

1024
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: the entirety of like Rings of Power. You can't compete

1025
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: where you can't compare. Yeah, I'm sorry, Like, I'm just

1026
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: it made me. I is watching it, and I actually

1027
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: I turned it on to be a background watch, like

1028
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to look at my phone

1029
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: or like clean the house or something, and I sat

1030
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: down because I was like, damn, I forgot how good

1031
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: this movie is. You know who I would love to

1032
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: see as the White Witch if um the like a

1033
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: new adaptation does end up happening. I think Michelleos the

1034
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: White Witch would be incredible. I want to see her

1035
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: play a villain. Okay. Something that's like not really talked

1036
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: about is the fact that Mr Tumnus is like pretty

1037
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: rapey in that he is a full grown satyr who

1038
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: has brought this child into his home multiple and then

1039
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: like does love her to sleep essentially date rape. But

1040
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: the only thing so I guess what happens in that

1041
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: scene is he kind of thinks he's going to give

1042
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: her over to the witch and then has a kind

1043
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: of change of heart and decides he can't do it.

1044
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: He can't. You gets turned to stone and that's why

1045
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: he gets turned to stone, which like, would you which

1046
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: God to the girl? You would you have turned her in? Yeah?

1047
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: For sure, because the White Witches kind of like fear,

1048
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: Like I would have been on her side totally. If

1049
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 1: I would have been team I would have been her.

1050
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: I would have been Yeah, I would have been team Asland.

1051
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: But if Asland has been gone for years, that sucks,

1052
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: like your leader to desert you like God, and he's God.

1053
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: God has deserted you and then comes back. It's like, hey,

1054
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm in charge again. By the way, Edmund, you are

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01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 1: going to be crucified. J K, I'm going to crucify

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Speaker 1: myself and take all the credit, like all the glory

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Speaker 1: for that for sure. And the Witch's crew, I have

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Speaker 1: to say, is so much cooler than the good side.

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Speaker 1: Like you know when when they sacrifice as Land and

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Speaker 1: they show up and all those like goblins and ghouls

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Speaker 1: and stuff for like partying. That's like I've been to

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Speaker 1: parties that looked pretty much exactly like that. Yeah, Veil

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Speaker 1: of Kashmir, Yeah, that was spectrum totally. It was giving

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Speaker 1: berlin um and you know the like, Yeah, I like

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Speaker 1: the centaurs and stuff like, they're kind of hot. Would

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Speaker 1: you fuck a centaur or get sucked by a centaur? Well,

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Speaker 1: if you're getting sucked my center, that's like sad some

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Speaker 1: permanent damn it. Yeah, it's a lot of dick. We

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Speaker 1: talked about this in our porn episode. But like the

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Speaker 1: idea of wrecking my whole as I don't want to

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Speaker 1: yuck anybody's not my tea. I don't want to permanently

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Speaker 1: alter my whole, and I think that with a center

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Speaker 1: that is the case. Let me look up some center born. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you ever watched the video to death to death,

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Speaker 1: he died God, oh wow, oh my god, look at that.

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Speaker 1: I forgot they died. That's so sad. He died following

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Speaker 1: he died doing what he loved. To death my horn.

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Speaker 1: What a way to go. Let me answer your question. Actually, realistically, no,

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Speaker 1: in my fantasy world, getting funed by a center is

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Speaker 1: extremely hot. Humanoids very hot to me, centaurs and and

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Speaker 1: and satyr's extremely hot to me. Giant horse cock. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but some which magical creature are you are you most

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Speaker 1: interested in having sex with? I think it would be

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Speaker 1: a center, if not an elf, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's kind of cheating, But yeah, I think it would

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Speaker 1: kind of be a humans. I think there's something. I

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Speaker 1: think there's something really erotic about horses. This is why

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Speaker 1: I was obsessed with equis as a kid. I actually

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Speaker 1: I'm a horse girl, not as a kid. As a

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Speaker 1: college student, but I did you know that I took

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Speaker 1: this is actually horse cock shop. This is a gag. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever told you this. When

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Speaker 1: I was in college, I enrolled and took a full

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Speaker 1: course on horses throughout literature, and I wrote my term yes,

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Speaker 1: and I wrote my turn this is a horse girl podcast. Yes.

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Speaker 1: And I wrote my paper on the kind of thematic

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Speaker 1: um importance of horses in the Lord of the Rings

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Speaker 1: franchise and followed like several yes, and I followed a

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Speaker 1: few different horses through the franchise about like and what

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Speaker 1: their meanings were whatever. And my horse teacher, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was so good that she submitted my essay for

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Speaker 1: a contest that I won contest Shadow Facts King of

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Speaker 1: the Horses. Oh my god, I have so many virgins.

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Speaker 1: This has just evolved into us looking at Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I love that we can find a way to turn

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Speaker 1: tell us, um, are you a lion, a witch, or

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Speaker 1: a wardrobe? Which one do you identify? A wardrobe? For sure?

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Speaker 1: I'm a witch and if Phoebe is a lion, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you are a lion? Okay, and um next week we

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Speaker 1: will be back with a discussion about everyone's favorite lesbian

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Speaker 1: Phoebe Unter, with support from Lindsay Hoffman, Julian Weller, Just

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Speaker 1: The center is pussy looks like an egg bag. Literally

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Speaker 1: loves the way she's holding her boob because it's it's

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Speaker 1: so big. It's so happy that she has just it's

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Speaker 1: just to suspend. Yes, yes, I love just to stand

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Speaker 1: on a bucket to fund this center, because the center

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Speaker 1: is so big.