1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Hey Marlins fans, New big Fish Small Pod for Monday, 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: April first, twenty twenty four. Presents it by MPT College Consulting. 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: It's Eli Sussman hosting this one for you. Coming off 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: a disastrous first series for the Marlins of the twenty 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: twenty four season, they are tied for the worst record 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: in baseball at zero to four heading into Monday. That's 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: certainly the main storyline on a team level. On an 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: individual level, Avasajel Garcia is in the middle of it, 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: not necessarily for his individual performance in these four games 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: against the Pirates, but for the unique atmosphere surrounding him 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: throughout this entire series. From opening day introductions through his 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: final strikeout on Sunday, Avi was booed by his own 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: home fans at Lone Debau Park when he was coming 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: to the plate. He put out comments through the Miami 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Herald on Sunday about that topic, and from closely following 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: the reaction from our audience during these four games, I 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: think I can fill him in on the other perspective 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: about why it is that he is getting treated this 19 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: way when very few Marlins players have in recent years. 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: Just to give you a small sample, of what this 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: booing sounded like. Here is one of the double plays 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: that Garcia grounded into on Friday this past weekend. Got 23 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: the start against the lefty Martine Perez, now facing the 24 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: rightings and the grounds one two cruise, the second time 25 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: that Abby has grounded into it. So you can hear 26 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: it at the very end, that was not a sellout 27 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: crowd on Friday when that happens. It was perhaps what 28 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen thousand fans in attendance, and several thousand of 29 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: them I think participated in that unenthusiastic response when he 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: hit into a double play for what was his I 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: think his second straight at that or that may have 32 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: been his first of two on Friday, and that's what 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: it sounded like after most of his played appearances during 34 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: this past series. So Avi entering Sunday's game, telling the 35 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: Miami Herald, we want to have results. I want to 36 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: have results. Last year I was hurt. This year, I'm healthy. 37 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: Every time they put me in the lineup, I want 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: to do my best, of course, but it's not good 39 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: for players to hear that the first at that of 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: the season, I strike out and they boom. That's not 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: good like I don't like that. It's the first time 42 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: in my career that happens. Fans are fans. The game 43 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: looks easy from the stands. I understand that, but it's 44 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: not fair. I imagine a lot of the unsatisfaction with 45 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: these comments will hang on that last phrase, that it's 46 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: not fair to Avi saiel Garcia. This is early on 47 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: in year three of a four year, fifty three million 48 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: dollar contract that Aviy signed with the Marlins. It was 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: the largest free agent signing in terms of guaranteed dollars 50 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: of the Marlins I've given out under Bruce Sherman's ownership era. 51 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: According to reporting at the time, it was largely pushed 52 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: by Derek Jeter, who was CEO at the time when 53 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: they signed him two and a half years ago. It 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: was even in the moment a bit of a head scratcher, 55 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: even though his skill set wasn't enticing, he was coming 56 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 1: off a good year. I don't think anybody quite grasped 57 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: why it is or who the Marlins were bidding against 58 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: to guarantee fifty three million dollars over four years for 59 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: a player like him who had shown he could be 60 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: a very good everyday player. But his career had been 61 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: rife with inconsistency throughout. He was entering free agency either 62 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: for the second or third time until he was ready 63 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: in his thirties. When he was making that deal, there 64 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: was quite a bit of downside and it was not 65 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: necessarily a clear path for him to providing surplus value 66 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: on that contract. His first year, he showed up to 67 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: camp overweight. That was obvious. Throughout most of that first 68 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: season until the very end of the year, he performed 69 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: extremely poorly. He came back in twenty twenty three in 70 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: great shape, no doubt about it. There's enthusiasm there were 71 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: He spoke very confidently about himself about how that would 72 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: put him in. He was in the right frame of 73 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: mind to settle in with his new team. And yet 74 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: the results in twenty twenty three were even worse than 75 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: the year before. He missed even more time due to 76 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: the injury. When he was on the field, he hit 77 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: one eighty five He hit three home runs total in 78 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: thirty seven games, and his strikeout rate was even higher, 79 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: went from twenty nine percent very bad in twenty twenty 80 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: two to thirty three percent last year, which would be 81 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: one of the worst in the league. Among guys that 82 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: get any sort of consistent playing time. So entering this 83 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: year looked pretty bad in spring training, and I think 84 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: it was fair to question entering the year why it 85 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: is that he was on the team. There are, perhaps 86 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: it is all minority of these booers that personally dislike 87 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: AVI and are holding that against him. From my vantage point, 88 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that most of these boos are personal 89 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: towards him. It is more a loud rejection of the 90 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: way that the Marlins are handling this situation, because this 91 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: is a player that over those last two years, even 92 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: regardless of what he did these first four games of 93 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: the season, Ave has put up a five to seventy 94 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: six OPS. He's missed essentially half of these teams games 95 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: while on the IL. When he has been active, he 96 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: has been below replacement level negative one point one wins 97 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: above replacement. According to Fangrafts, most of these fans are 98 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: not fluent in sabermetrics, and they don't need to be, 99 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: because if they just watch the games and if they 100 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: just look at the standard numbers, they can see this 101 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: is a player that is a liability even compared to 102 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: the next man up. In the mind that they could 103 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: bring in just about anybody who is performing well in 104 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: TRIPLEA and reasonably expect them to be as good as 105 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: productive as avasel Garcia has been. So for people that 106 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: are investing quite a bit to attend these games, to 107 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: buy merchandise for this team, who only have one local 108 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: team in the Miami area to root for, who don't 109 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: get to choose who they root for, all they expect 110 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: that the bare minimum is for the decision makers of 111 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: this team to put together the best possible combination of 112 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: players on their roster. If Garcia was not signed to 113 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: the contract that he was signed to right now, he 114 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: would not be in the major leagues for any team 115 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: he would. He would be trying to earn his way 116 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: back in the upper miners. There is just so little 117 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: precedent for somebody performing as badly as he has the 118 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: past couple of years, combined with the injuries in the 119 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: particular nature of his performance, where it just does not 120 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: seem reasonable to project much improvement moving forward. For somebody 121 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: that struggles with his plate discipline to make contact, who 122 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: doesn't play a premium defensive position and is only getting older, 123 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: this is not the type of player that would be 124 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: on the roster in any significant form, much less start 125 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: several games in the opening series for a team coming 126 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: off a postseason appearance. The vitriol would be substantially less 127 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: if the team was not competitive and not even attempting 128 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: to be competitive. But on the heels of the first 129 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: full season playoff berth in twenty years for franchise that 130 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: has never had consecutive playoff berths, and yet are still 131 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: messing around with a player that is sub replacement level 132 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: where they have better alternatives internally, and this team, the 133 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: decision makers in the front office, and this really goes 134 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: up all the way to ownership, are not giving the 135 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: green light in order to replace him with a better player. 136 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: So it has to be noted that right after this 137 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,119 Speaker 1: article came out from Jordan McPherson the Miami Herald, within 138 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: a couple hours, Garcia hit his first home run of 139 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: the year, an opposite field one against Bailey Falter of 140 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: the Pirates. His teammates seemed to rally around that it 141 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: was a nice moment for all involved, because I'll reiterate 142 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: that for the vast majority of these boots, they're not 143 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: coming at AVI personally. They're coming off a team they're 144 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: coming towards the team that is consciously holding back their 145 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: roster from reaching its full potential by having this player 146 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: on the roster just because they already guaranteed him a 147 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: certain amount of money. And what the fans are trying 148 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: to communicate. Their fans are just trying to reject that 149 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: notion that he has to be on here to justify 150 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: that contract. It is a sunk cost. I've said it before. 151 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: The home run does not change that. And this does 152 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: not mean that Avi is the reason why they've been 153 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: lost all four games to start this season. And it's 154 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: not his faults. He's not the only one that has struggled, 155 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: and we talked about that in detail on Fish on 156 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: First Spaces. I'm sure we'll continue to get into it 157 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: in our coverage. How many things are going wrong with 158 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: the team is not only on Avi that this is happening, 159 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: but it is completely fair. If he has somehow deluded 160 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: himself into thinking that he just needs more time to 161 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: settle in entering his third year with this organization, then 162 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: that's what's concerning. These commons show kind of lack of 163 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: awareness about that his very real degradation and skill level, 164 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: how he is from the moments that he joined the Marlins. 165 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: He has not been the player that they thought they 166 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: were investing in. And even though he's putting in the 167 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: work to get back to that level, under any other circumstances, 168 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: a player like him would be trying to earn himself 169 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: back to the major league level instead of being handed 170 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: a spot just because he is under a guaranteed deal. 171 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: I hope that clears things, some clear things up, But 172 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: with Avi, this has been big fish, small pod. I'm 173 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: Eli Sussman right here. We have small pods for you 174 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: almost every single weekday morning throughout the entire season, expecting 175 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: to see Avi in the lineup at least one more time. 176 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: This upcoming series against the Angels, they have a couple 177 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: lefties that are scheduled to start, and that is what 178 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: the Marlins are saying, that his role is to do 179 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: damage against left handed pitching, despite a whole lot of 180 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: evidence to the contrary. And I don't think there are 181 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people rooting against Avi if he's gonna 182 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: be stuck on this team. Miraculous turnarounds in his career 183 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: would make a lot of them happy, because ultimately the 184 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: focus is just on winning games, and this is a 185 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: protest about how a player has been handled in a 186 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: way that is seemingly preventing them from reaching their full potential. 187 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: Check back on our next small pod. Follow all our 188 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: coverage on Fish on First dot com. All our podcast 189 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: episodes presented by MPT College Consulting. Check them out at 190 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: Mptcollegeconsulting dot com. Go Fish