1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's Grace and you are listening to the 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Triumph Channel, Sirius x sim one two. Will this guy 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 1: ever go away? Accused of his wife's murderer? This Hollywood 4 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: star has just remarried and living the sweet life. I'm 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: talking about Robert Blake, the star of barretta Uh, star 6 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: in the film in Cold Blood, Metro Golden Mayor's Our Gang, 7 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: The Little Rascals, Red Rider, Lost Highway, you name it. 8 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: Robert Blake keeping a low profile but living the sweet 9 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: life after he escapes charges our murder of his wife 10 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: Bonnie Lee Bakley. Joining me right now, Oh, and tune 11 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: in tonight on A and E eleven o'clock p m. 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: Eastern Time as Dan and I go at it on 13 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: Grace Versus Abrams to get to the truth of what 14 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: really happened. Alexis to restaurant, Joining me right now from 15 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: Radar online dot Com. Alexis what happened the night Bonnie 16 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: Lee Bakeley was shot in the face. She and Robert 17 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: had dinner at a restaurant in the valley which is 18 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and it's Vitellos, its old school Italian restaurant. 19 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: Booths inside everybody who was anybody went there? It was 20 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: super popular restaurant. They leave the restaurant, they go outside 21 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: to the car, which was parked around the corner, which 22 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: is a little strange because it's a little bit off 23 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: the beaten track on the side of that street. He mean, 24 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: he parks the cars of the parking lot right up front. 25 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: Uh where after he says he's worried about his wife's safety. 26 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: He is dead, parks in a dark alley behind the restaurant, 27 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: exactly ahead. His version of the story is, oh my gosh, 28 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: I forgot that I left my gun in this restaurant recently, 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: So I'm going to go back inside the restaurant and 30 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: get my gun. So he leaves, goes back and says, 31 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: wo wow, wow wow. Whoa wait. So they eat dinner. 32 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: They have the Robert Blake Special, which I think is 33 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: possible with presciutto and tomato. They then go back to 34 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: the dark alley parking spot with the car windows rolled down. 35 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: He takes the keys so she can't roll them up. 36 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: He goes back in to get his what his gun, 37 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: and he left his gun. He accidentally leaves a thirty 38 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: eight caliber revolver at the booth Okay, and let me 39 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: understand this, Alexis, when he goes back to get the 40 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: gun he left behind, nobody saw a gun, right, Not 41 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: a bus boy, not a wait or, not a waitress, nobody, 42 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: nor did they see him come in to check for 43 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: the gun. Is that right? That's exactly the right. So 44 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: his version is I went back inside to get my gun. 45 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: While he was inside, someone not Robert, says, Robert go 46 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: shoots his wife two times in this alleyway in a neighborhood. This, 47 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: This is not some seating neighborhood that. This is a 48 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:22,839 Speaker 1: really nice area of Los Angeles. This is basically homes Alexis, 49 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: Alexis Alexis. I'm all happy about the nice neighborhood, Okay, 50 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: But can I get back to the murdyr. So, while 51 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: he's in Vitelos, his stomping grounds, his favorite restaurant, they 52 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: even have a dish named after him. While he's going 53 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: in there, nobody sees to get the gun that nobody 54 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: notices sitting in the booth. She gets murdered in that 55 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: ten minute window. And when he gets back out, he 56 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: finds her dad and the killer gone. All happening within 57 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: a ten man that window. Is that right? That's exactly right, Okay, 58 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: Mickey Sherman, defense lawyer, author of how can you defend 59 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: those people? Why did this guy walk free? Okay? I 60 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: was out there doing a coverage on this thing for 61 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: another network, and the question was asking me by the anchor, 62 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: well if she if he didn't kill her, who did? 63 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: And my response was so appropriate that they pasted it 64 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: on the wall and the CBS news area down there. 65 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: And that is that there was a sign up sheet 66 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: at the police department through all those people in l 67 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: A who wanted to kill Bonnie Lee Bakley. I know 68 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: that's whether mean spirit. He was lining up to kill 69 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: Bonnie Lee Bakeley. Okay, so many people, so many people 70 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: should have got that's not true. That is not true, 71 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: Alexis terres Chuck Mickey sure may call it ripping off. 72 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: Some other people would describe it as art. True. Bonnie 73 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: Lee Bakley would age topless photos of herself and send 74 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: them to sad sacked love lords all across the country. 75 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: They would send her money. It was a scam. Okay, 76 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: do you really think one of these guys, Alexis, is 77 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: there any proof whatsoever that she was being stalked that 78 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: she got a threat. They didn't want threatened violence. Ever, 79 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: you want me to believe that somebody traveled across the 80 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: country on the Greyhound bus, finds her at her husband's 81 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: favorite restaurant and in a ten minute window kills her 82 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: after he has said he's angry at her. It's caught 83 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: on tape that she got pregnant without his consent. No, 84 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: the only person that committed this crime was Robert Blake. 85 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: He is the only person. The prosecution tried him. They 86 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: they had so many reasons why he was the person 87 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: that killed his wife. That could not have been anybody else. 88 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't some guy that she scammed with her topless photos. 89 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't some gilt had over from before. It wasn't 90 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: anybody that she and she even tried to bring blame 91 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: Marlon Brando's son Christian, because they had been dating, and 92 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: at one point she thought baby Rosie was actually Christian 93 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: Brando's daughter and had named her I think Christian Brando 94 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: or had named her after Brando. When she got a 95 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: d n A a paternity test, she found out the 96 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: baby was Robert Blake's baby and renamed the baby Rosie. 97 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: Rosie Blake. And as a matter of fact, Christian Brando 98 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: was in I believe it was upstate Washington. Didn't he 99 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: also do ten years for his side? He did? Uh? Yes, 100 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: Christian Brando. I think he did seven years for shooting 101 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: his Christian Brando's sister boyfriend who was beating his sister. 102 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: He shot him DAGs. Really he did some time on 103 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: voluntary man at the time Bondi Lee Bakeley's murder, Brando, 104 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: Marlon Brando's son was out of the state. It wasn't him. 105 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: And again back to that ten minute window, and Robert 106 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: Blake was the one that got last sewed into marriage, 107 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: not Christian Brando. Okay, as a matter of fact, take 108 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: a listen to the victim, Bonnie Lee Bakeley's sister, who 109 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: spoke with me on h l N the night of 110 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: the not guilty verdict where Blake walked free. I was 111 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: in shock. I was devastated. I just don't know how 112 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: they came to that conclusion. Maybe it's just more obvious 113 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: to me because of you know, talking to my sister 114 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: so much and for so long, and hearing all the threats, 115 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: and you know, he promised he was going to do 116 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: it and he did it, and he said he'd get 117 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: away with it, and he did. I guess this is 118 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: just the final time I can be hurt by him. 119 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: And also listen to this who killed Bonnie Lee Bakley. 120 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: It's as lain as the nose on your face, Dan Abrams, 121 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,559 Speaker 1: that was her ods but he could not that gun 122 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: in Robert Blake's hand. There were a lot of other 123 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: people who had a motive to kill Bonnie Lee Bagley. 124 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: Give one name, one name when you just need reasonable doubt, 125 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: you don't have to give a name. That's Dan Abrams 126 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: and I going at it. You know, I just don't 127 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: like the way the victim has been dragged through the mud. 128 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's as if, you know, think of the 129 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: worst thing you've ever done, alexis tres chuck, the worst thing. 130 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: Don't tell me out well, please, I don't want to 131 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: hear it. Uh, But what if that were plastered on 132 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: every newspaper, on every internet site and the world need 133 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: the single worst thing you think you've ever done, Because 134 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: that's what's happened to Bonnie Lee Bakley. Alexis in death, 135 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: and the thing is that Robert has just mocked her 136 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: death for almost twenty years now, and in fact, he 137 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: is now remarried to another woman, the woman who testified 138 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: about the case tonight, Grace versus Abraham's on A and 139 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: E eleven pm Eastern. 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Because I guarantee 168 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: you if it were Alan Duke or Vincent Hill or 169 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: anybody else, they'd be under the jail with this many 170 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: women saying rape? Uh in oh and to boot Nearly 171 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: everyone claimed he slipped him rufie of some sort, the 172 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: date rape drug, and they passed out and they wake 173 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: up feeling sticky and yucky, and their private parts some 174 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: of them aching having vague recollections of the American icon 175 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: comedian Bill Cosby walking around and nothing but a house rope. Okay, 176 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: that made me. Actually, Phil Noaz is just for a 177 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: little bit. No woman should ever feel this way. I 178 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: don't know how many rape and molestation victims I have 179 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: represented to the very very best of my ability, And 180 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: you probably don't know how many women maybe sitting in 181 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: the room with you right now, were molested or raped. 182 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: Most women never speak of it, even women that know better, 183 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: even women that talk about rape statistics, have something in 184 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: their past they don't want to confront. We're talking about 185 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby and all the women that have come forward. 186 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: Now is their strength in numbers? Well, we'll find out, 187 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: because Cosby is sitting in a court of law. I 188 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to the first so 189 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: called supermodel that I spoke with, one of the outspoken 190 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: Cosby victims, Janice Dickinson. Now let me warn you it 191 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: ain't pretty. Rape never is. Listen. I can't breathe because 192 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: of Bill Cosby. What do you mean? I can't breathe 193 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: because I haven't slept in weeks, and uh, you know, 194 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: I just you know, you know, with everything that's going on, 195 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: I haven't been able to breathe. Like the whole nation 196 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: is doing right now protesting. I am protesting because of 197 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: the unresolved issues due to rape from Bill Cosby. I'm 198 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: just starting to exhale and and I will say this. 199 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: I you know, I I sabbed all weekend, not just 200 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: for me, for what's going on with these other women. 201 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm in huge gratitude to the Los Angeles Police Department. 202 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: You know, thank you guys and gals out there. You know, 203 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: it's about time that this guy gets his cup up. 204 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: And supermodel Janice Dick conson stating in court her anger 205 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: and disgust at being allegedly raped by America's dad Bill 206 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: Cosby after she loses consciousness when she says the actor 207 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: gives her a quote small blue pill that he said 208 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: would help her with menstrul pain. Okay, you know what, 209 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, psychoanalysts out of l A. I don't 210 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: need any help with my minstrel pain. I'll take a 211 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: baby aspirin and I'll keep on chugging. You know what. 212 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: I could have cramps all the way during a homicide trial, 213 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: but I didn't think twice about it, because you know, 214 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: what choice do you have except to keep going? And 215 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this much would be a cold day 216 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: in h e double l before I take a pill 217 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: from some guy that had designs on me. I mean, 218 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: but how does this go down? Dr Bethany, How does 219 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: it go down like this? How does it happen? You know? 220 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: It's interesting because when I was hearing that that that 221 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: he gave her a pill for her menstrel cramps, I thought, wow, 222 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: it it's so personal so quickly, And I think that's 223 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: what these offenders do. They start to um insinuate themselves 224 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: into the woman's life with really inappropriate intimate conversation. And 225 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: I would love to have been a fly on the 226 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: wall at that dinner. I imagine he was bringing up 227 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: sexual topics, um women's issues, things like that. You know, Nancy, 228 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: how he got in touch with Janice in the first place. 229 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: He contacted her agent saying that he wanted to help 230 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: her with her career. He flew her into Tahoe. I mean, 231 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: the grooming process was extensive to try to get access 232 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: to her. She didn't contact him, he contacted her. You know. 233 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: Another thing, am Bremner joining me high profile lawyer out 234 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: of Seattle, Ashley Wilcott jevenil judge, victim's advocate lawyer and 235 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: found a child crime watch dot com with us. Vincent Hill, 236 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: private investigator, and Alan Deep joined me from l A 237 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: Jackie Howard in Atlanta to you and Bremner, I want 238 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: everyone acts like, how did she think he was gonna 239 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: quote help her in her career? What a line of bs. 240 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: That's not true. And because I had somebody helped me. 241 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: I had a guy who was now in heaven, Dr 242 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: William Suttles, who was the president of Georgia State University. 243 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: And he also was a divinity major and was PhD. 244 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: And was a pastor at a small Baptist church in Snoy, Georgia. Okay, 245 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: he rode like a circuit rider. He'd go there once 246 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: a month and preach. He also happened to be best 247 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: friends with my now husband's grandparents, who were farmers, and 248 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: they would repay him for his preaching with baskets and 249 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: bags of produce like butterbeans and call our grains. He 250 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: when I got out of law school, knew I was 251 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: a crime victim. And I have been trying to get 252 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: on at the d a's office for so long. Just 253 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: so happened guests who came to his Sunday school class 254 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: once a month. The elected District Attorney and he ambushed him, 255 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: and he said, just interviewer, I got the interview, I 256 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: got the job. And you know what, never once ever 257 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: did anything untoward happened. He was like a grandfather to me. 258 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: So you know what, it does happen, and I really 259 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: resent now. I've got to say, that was one of 260 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: the few times that a man has shown a genuine 261 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: and innocent, philanthropic interest in helping me. It's only happened 262 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: a couple of times, but it has happened, and Bremner, 263 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: it does happen, So why shouldn't she trust him? And 264 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: of course he found a gem in you, Nancy, as 265 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: we all know. But you know, I look at this, 266 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: I actually represent a victim out here in Seattle at Cosby. 267 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: But she's just not really inclined to get into all 268 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: of this. But she had the exact same experience of 269 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: I want to help you with your career. She was 270 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: a model in Los Angeles. I want to help you 271 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: with school, I want to speak to your graduation, all 272 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: those kinds of things, and she believed them. She trusted him, 273 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: and like you, Nancy, I worked I quick for a judge, 274 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: and I worked for a wonderful prosecutor. Nor mailing, and 275 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: my judge was Judge Dixon, two of my biggest mentors, 276 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: and then Tom Fry and my firm. All men had 277 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: no designs. Wonderful people, wonderful mentors that helped me tremendously. 278 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: So I think it's happened to all of us where 279 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: there were no designs whatsoever. And why would you think 280 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: there would be when somebody has that kind of interest 281 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: and really gets involved. And you know, Ashley Walcott coming 282 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: up in a legal business, I mean it's cut throat. 283 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not even going to go into the 284 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: TV business. I mean, oh, talk about nasty. But the 285 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: legal business. You know, you're dealing with all sorts of 286 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: uh lawyers and all sorts of arenas of law. You 287 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: got your ambulance chasers, you got your p I lawyers 288 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: who make things up. You got criminal defense lawyers that 289 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: hang out with strippers and dopers. I mean, that's a 290 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: pretty seedy bunch, right, But they're good ones in there too. 291 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: So why should she not think that Bill Cosby was 292 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: really going to try and help her. Heck, I'd get 293 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: on the plane and go try to get some help too. 294 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: Exactly do you know I had two mentors both of 295 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: whom were judges, and they were phenomenal and still are 296 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: my entire experience in law. So they're absolutely good people 297 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: out there. But also think about, okay, what judges are those? 298 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: What judges helped you? You know one of them passed away, 299 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: Sammy Jones, he was a judge in Sulton County. Oh, 300 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: he was one of mine. I was first in the 301 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: d a's office, you know that, Mr Slaton. The d 302 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: A sent me to Juvenal to try cases, and you 303 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: know you Sammy was there. Yes. The other is Judge 304 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: Adams into Cab County and he has a phenomenal judge 305 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: and person and I love him. Good person, is it? 306 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: A great guy? Is he is? But you know, don't 307 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: forget about with Bill Cosby. Here's the other reason any 308 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: anybody's gonna trust this man. Think about those Jello commercials 309 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: with that little boyish, cute grin, and then he was 310 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: America's father Father of the Year, Mr Houstable for years, 311 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: and so I think that adds that media perception adds 312 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: to why anyone would trust this man. You know what, 313 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: here's the sharp dichotomy to Jello and America's Dad. Listen, 314 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: Ms Dickinson, after you came forward. At first, a lot 315 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: of these women had no name. They were all Jane Does. 316 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: A few of them allowed their names to be out there. 317 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: But when you came forward, you know a lot of 318 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: people know you. You don't know them, but they think 319 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: they know you. We all think we know you because 320 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: we've seen you on TV, we've read about you in 321 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: the tabloids. We think we know you and all about you. 322 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: So when you came forward, you really put a name 323 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: and face to this. Others have come forward, but you're 324 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: the one everybody feels that they know, and that has 325 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: really changed the focus of this whole investigation. In my mind, 326 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: is that a name and a face has been put 327 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: on this. It's not somebody in the shadows that never 328 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: came forward. It's you and a few other brave ladies 329 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: that are weathering the storm. And I'm sure you never 330 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: expected the hate that has been sent your way after 331 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: you came forward. I am I don't know what to 332 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: say to that, but I know that I am an American, 333 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: and I know that this country was based on two premises, 334 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: freedom of speech and the right to bear arms, Okay, 335 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: And it was the right thing for me to do 336 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: when when this took place. I told several people about 337 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: this when you know when, when when this first happened, 338 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: I told this will come out later. I'll give it 339 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: all to you when it comes out, Nancy. But it 340 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: is my right as a woman, as a parent to 341 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: protect women out there worldwide, and to protect daughters and granddaughters, 342 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: sisters and mothers. Okay, it is, and I want every 343 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: woman out there to please hear my words. We've got 344 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: to stop this man. He will can't doing it. He 345 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: took him my dof innuendo. He was in me. So 346 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: Dickinson in the courtroom taking the witness stand during Cosby's 347 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: trial for drugging and sexually assaulting a woman, Andrea constant Um. 348 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: He's being tried for that. She is coming in as 349 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: a quote similar transaction witness. Now, as you know, in 350 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: our jurisprudence system, a defendant cannot be tried on a reputation. 351 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: His fact is. There are strict rules that one's reputation 352 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: or bad character cannot come in. Good character can come in. 353 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: But here's the exception to that. Similar transactions. For instance, 354 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: I had a guy named the Red Rapist. He did 355 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: the same thing every time he would creep in through 356 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: a window at about the same time every night. Wanted 357 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,239 Speaker 1: to a m in the same neighborhood, get the one 358 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: one she's asleep, raper in bed and leave a red 359 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: rose hello like it was a date. Uh, that's a 360 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 1: similar transaction. It's a fingerprint crime. Nobody else did it. 361 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: And there was a string of women that he raped. 362 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: Therefore when I tried, I tried him on a lot 363 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: of them. But there were similar transactions. In other words, 364 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: these similar cases tend to prove the case in chief 365 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: showing mode of intent, course of conduct, frame of mind scheme. 366 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: So that is why Janice Dickinson is being allowed to 367 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: testify in the case of State the Cosby where the 368 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: victim is Andrea Constant. Do I have that right, Alan do? Yes? No, 369 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: so Dickinson comes in. I don't know why every news 370 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: account has to describe what women are wearing. They never 371 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: describe what the man's wearing. But f y, I she 372 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: wore a simple black pants suit and a white shirt. 373 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: Why does that lead every article? I don't know, Dr Bethany, 374 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to go off on a tangent, but 375 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: do you ever notice that every time there's a woman 376 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: witness or defending in court. We always have to talk 377 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: about what she's wearing, but we're also concerned about the details. 378 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: You know, what she chooses to wear, the detail. The 379 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: fact that he gave her a little blue pill is 380 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 1: a detail. The fact that he dangled career success in 381 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: front of her is a detail. I mean, the devil's 382 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: in the details. I mean, I think that there's so 383 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: much things canna go into a trial, so many details, 384 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: but we're curious about every single aspect. You know, I 385 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: go back to the whole thing about him print pretending 386 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: to be a mentor for a second. Think, what I 387 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: think is so evil with these offenders is they try 388 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: to identify the one thing that they think the woman 389 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: really wants. And what is a supermodel gonna want. She's 390 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: going to want to advance her career. And he played 391 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: right into that vulnerability. And you know, whether you're a 392 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: high level organized offender or you're a low level disorganized defender, 393 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: that the man usually always tries to tap into that 394 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: one thing, and that was that's what creates confusion in 395 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: the victims. Well, we pedophiles do this. They'll they'll hand 396 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: a child a piece of candy, right um teachers who 397 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 1: molest their students do this, They'll they'll give them passing 398 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: great or or you know, they'll give them a pluss. 399 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: They always find something the victim wants and that's where 400 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: the confusion starts. And that's why it takes so long 401 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: for these victims to come out. You know what, when 402 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: you said it like that, You're so right. I've actually 403 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: never thought of it that way to you and Bremner 404 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: way in, you are actually dealing with another alleged victim. 405 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: I believe her because I know you and Bremner UM, 406 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: but we have to say alleged. So is that the 407 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: experience you're alleged female victim of Bill Cosby had. I mean, 408 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: this is another woman that hasn't been added to the 409 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: tally because she just doesn't want to talk about it. 410 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: And trust me in I get it. I know Nancy 411 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: here wonderful and she's had that exact experience. And he 412 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: also groomed her parents who lived up here in Washington 413 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: State UM and also um offered checks to her, you know, 414 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: money for her education. So it wasn't just oh my stars, 415 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: that's exactly what he did with some of the other women. 416 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: How do you say groomed her parents. Well, basically, like 417 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: I'm more, I'm concerned about her. I suggest she takes 418 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: these classes. You know, she can have a part in 419 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: my show. Um, she's got a great career ahead of her. Um, 420 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: what are your concerned? You know about her? I mean 421 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: actually calling her parents in a small town in Washington State, 422 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: And this is Bill Cosby, who was a superstar America's 423 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: dad offering to help her education to actually come up 424 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: for graduation and appear. And it's just like, you know, 425 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: there's stars in her eyes, and she was so young 426 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: and trying to advance her career and she couldn't believe 427 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: her great fortune when she first met him and where 428 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: he offered to help her. You know what's so creepy 429 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: about that. That's what pedophiles do. They groom the entire family, 430 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: not just the victim exactly. You know. I remember one 431 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: of the first cases, Ashley Willcott, that I tried, and 432 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: it was a sodomy case on a little boy. Um. 433 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: I still remember. The defendants named Kenneth Cherry, and the 434 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: little boy had some kind of a learning disability, couldn't 435 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: really verbalize very well at all, and he loved playing 436 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: video games. So they per would give him rolls of quarters, 437 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: and the little boy really couldn't even testify on the 438 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: stand very well at all. But in his bedroom the 439 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: police found a big thing of vassoline porn and rolls 440 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: of quarters, and the little the mom found blood and 441 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: the little boys underwear. And I'm just thinking about, you know, 442 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: how he befriended the boy, befriended the mother, and just 443 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: beyond anything I could describe that. I just always pray 444 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: that it becomes a distant bad memory so the child 445 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: can grow up normally as best as they can. It's 446 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: just so difficult. But uh, back to I lost my 447 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: train of thought. Hold on. Back to Janice Dickinson. In court, 448 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: she says that she complained that she was getting ahead 449 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: of her her cramps and she had her hand on 450 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,479 Speaker 1: her stomach and Cosby says, I've got something for that. 451 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: He gave her a blue peel, a little round blue peel, 452 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: and uh, she said. They were sitting in a restaurant 453 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: and shortly after the pill, she started feeling woozy and dizzy, 454 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: and he goes, uh, we'll continue talking upstairs. So they 455 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: go upstairs. She didn't think anything of it. Then when 456 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: she gets out there, she's really starting to get out 457 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: of it, and Cosby changes into a bath robe and 458 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: makes a phone call, probably to his wife, and for 459 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: some reason, Dickinson takes three pictures with the polaroid camera 460 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: she brought with her and Cosby's on a phone in 461 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: a robe, wearing glasses and a brown velvet hat. And 462 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: you know what, take a listen to what Janice Dickinson says. 463 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: She'd hear her not me. I had mental cramps. I 464 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: had mensteal my you know, stommer cramps. He said, oh, 465 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: I've got something for that, and he gave me a pill. 466 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: He's giving me a pill. I trust the guy. I 467 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: trusted Bill Cosby's because of his demean and the promise 468 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: of a career. And you know, I trusted him, and 469 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: I was I wanted a television career I always had. 470 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: I had had a successful career for commercials. I wanted 471 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: to take it to the next level. It was red wine. 472 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: It was a pill. And then when I started to blackout, 473 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: I had camera on me. That's when I took several 474 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: photographs with with a polaroid. When I had one of 475 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: the first polaroid cameras, and you know, I just remembered 476 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: shooting these pictures and having them on me in my 477 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: room next morning when I woke up. The last thing 478 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: I remember I was I blacked out and Cosby mounting 479 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: me like the monster that he was, and I was thinking, 480 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: what the heck? What the And I just remember passing up. 481 00:30:52,720 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: But I remember more specifically waking up and that he 482 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: there was a lot of pain in downstairs, was sitting 483 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: all over me, and that my pajamas bottoms were off 484 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: and the top was opened, and I at that point, 485 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: fight or flight. I just packed up and I got 486 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: the hell out of there, she continued. Before I zonked out, 487 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: I felt pain between my legs. I passed out. It 488 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: was gross. I woke up the next morning in my 489 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: room and I didn't know where I was. I'm looking 490 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: right now at the photo of him in the bathrobe, 491 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: talking on the phone, and he's wearing a hat like 492 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: fat Albert wore, you know, the page boy, but velvet, 493 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: looking kind of just exactly as she says. Guys were 494 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: talking about Bill Cosby, who was finally finally in court. 495 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill with me, extraordinary private investigator in multiple jurisdictions. Vincent, 496 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: you know when you have an armed robbery case, or 497 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: a burglary case, nobody, he puts the victim on trial. 498 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: Now you don't have to say, oh, you're right, really 499 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: what were you wearing? Uh? Did you have a drink? 500 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: Did you actually have alcohol before the rape? And that 501 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: doesn't happen that way, But the prosecutor has to deal 502 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: with the reality that that's how people see sex attacks 503 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: on women. So you know what, that's the game. Play 504 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: the game. When the game, let's corroborate the story. Let's 505 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: corroborate her story. That's the way you have to think 506 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: as a prosecutor in sex crimes case. So there, she's 507 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: got a photo of him in the room that night, 508 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: wearing the bathrobe that so many women describe to Vincent Hill. 509 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: How can you corroborate a rape victim's story? Yeah, was 510 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: late victims, especially when you're talking sexual assaults, are or 511 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: ra the physical evidence piece of that. So it makes 512 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: it difficult for investigators to find that aspect of it. 513 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: And the sad part is a lot of people wait 514 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: so long to report these things simply because of fear, 515 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: fear of retaliation, fear of reputation. So it makes it 516 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: very difficult for investigators to actually prove these claims. Dickinson 517 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: said that she felt anal Paine, looked in a mirror 518 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: and at herself and remember her Paja pajamas halfway on 519 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: with no bottoms. That is Janice Dickinson's story on trial 520 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: right now is Bill Cosby American icon Alan dou We're 521 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: talking about Janice Dickinson because she's just been on the stand, 522 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: But what about the case in chief regarding Andrea Constant. Well, 523 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: the reason that Constants cases here is it falls within 524 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania's twelve year statue, a statute of limitations. She's now 525 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: forty five, but when she was younger, in two thousand 526 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: and four, she was an administrator at Temple University for 527 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: the women's basketball team, And of course we know Bill 528 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: Cosby was a big supporter of that school. And she 529 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: tells this story about being mentored by him, visiting his 530 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: home and eventually being drugged and sexually assaulted. She's testified 531 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: on this before, and she tells a dramatic story. She 532 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: describes herself being drugged then jolted into consciousness. When she's awake, 533 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: she realized that Cosby was groping her breast and he 534 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: was also penetrating her with his with his hands and 535 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: other body parts. You know, the women are really being 536 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: subjected to a tough cross examination. Janice Dickinson's being subjected 537 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: to cross exam regarding who was the father of one 538 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 1: of her children because she wasn't sure at the time. 539 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: There were two possibilities. You know what, Um, I'm sure 540 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: that's not anything she wanted to relive in court. And 541 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: frankly to Anne Bremner, I'm very surprised that kind of 542 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 1: questioning got in under the rape shol law. I was too, Nancy. 543 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: But you know, he's got a new lawyer in this retrial. 544 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: It's Thomas Masero, who you and I know well from 545 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: the Michael mac In case back in two thousand and five. 546 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean, and he's been a lot a lot more aggressive, 547 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: including suggesting that she's a liar based on some things 548 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: that she said in her memoir. It was these things 549 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: being inconsistent with her testimony. You know, he's also looking 550 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: at bringing in prior things on another victim, including a 551 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: conviction on false reporting to the police. So this is 552 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: quite a different scenario and different legal team than we 553 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: saw in the first round. We know, he's excellent, you know, 554 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: he does a wonderful job, but he has been He's 555 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: a great lawyer, a great lawyer. Ashley. The way I 556 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: think Ashley will caught with me juvenile judge and founder 557 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: of child crime watch dot com. Actually, I think the 558 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: way that he is able to Mazzaro was able to 559 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: cross examine Janice Dickinson's supermodel about her past love life 560 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: is on inconsistent statements. Because she once said the baby 561 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: belonged to Slice Stallone, Sylvester Stallone. It turned out it 562 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: wasn't his, so that's an inconsistent statement. Her explanation is 563 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: I thought it was, but it wasn't. So that's how 564 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: he's managing to do that. He's doing that for inconsistent statements, 565 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: but also to attack the credibility of the particular witness. 566 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: So I think on both Browns he has the ability 567 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: legally to do that. Take a listen to Lisa lot 568 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: Lubin on Dr Pheel as she describes the alleged attack 569 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: on her by Bill Cosby. The year was nineteen. The 570 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: owner of the modeling agency I worked for called me 571 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,399 Speaker 1: and said that Bill Cosby would like to meet with me. 572 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,240 Speaker 1: I was very excited to go and see him. I 573 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: was starstruck. I felt invincible. I couldn't believe that he 574 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: wanted to see me. I got to the hotel. He 575 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 1: was a gentleman and he was respectful and kind, and 576 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: he seemed very interested in me, and that made me 577 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: feel very secure in seeing him again. He was the 578 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: jellow pudding man. He was everyone's dad. The next time 579 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: that we met, I had asked if my mother and 580 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: sister could join us, and he said yes, So we 581 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 1: all went up to the Elvis suite. We had a 582 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: great time, we took pictures. My mother trusted Bill completely, 583 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,879 Speaker 1: but Lisa claims he ended up betraying that trust. During 584 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,400 Speaker 1: a mentoring session in his hotel suite, Bill Cosby called 585 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: me out of the blue and he said, can you 586 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: come by and see me? And I was like, of course, 587 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: And I went up to his hotel and I was alone, 588 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: and he talked about let me see what type of 589 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: acting skills you have. I want you to improv. And 590 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: as I tried to do improv, he fixed a drink 591 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: and then he brought it to me. It was a 592 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: brown liquid and it looked like a shot. I told 593 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: him I didn't drink. He said that this was going 594 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: to relax me so that the lines would flow out 595 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,879 Speaker 1: a lot easier. So I did drink it. He made 596 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 1: a second drink and add me drink the second drink 597 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 1: as well. I noticed myself getting a little dizzy. Bill 598 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: had sat down on the edge of the couch. He said, 599 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: come over here and have a seat. He had his 600 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: legs open, and when I sat down, I was sitting 601 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: down in between his legs with my back to his crotch. 602 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: He started to stroke my hair back in a petting 603 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: motion like this. The last things I remember is just 604 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: feeling the strokes on my head. After that, I don't 605 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: remember anything else. We Lisa has not spoken publicly about 606 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: her allegations and is coming forward for the first time 607 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: right now, this minute today. How do you feel about 608 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: coming out and talking about this right now, right here. 609 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 1: I was not interested in talking about it out loud. 610 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: One of my close friends who's a detective in Raleigh, Catherine, 611 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: She told me to file a report. I wanted the 612 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: police to be able to just confront him and let 613 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: him know that I know he did something wrong. You know, 614 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: if you we're on the witness stand, and this is 615 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: part of your point about not filing the report. Not 616 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: filing charges. You don't really know what happened. Do you know? 617 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: If he raped you? Do you know if if he 618 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: molested you in some way? Do you know? You don't 619 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,360 Speaker 1: really know what did happen. Lisa lot Lubin also on 620 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: the stand this week. Now interesting, I spoke at length 621 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 1: with the wife of the incredible Hulk by the way, 622 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: Carla Ferrigno. You know, it just seemingly doesn't end. How 623 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: many women have to come forward before Cosby's put behind bars. 624 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: Listen to what Carla tells me years old. Don't do 625 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: the math. But it was um. I was on a 626 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: date with someone who asked me to dinner, who seemed 627 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: like a very nice man in the show business. It 628 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 1: was in the music business actually, and he asked me 629 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,720 Speaker 1: to dinner. I went, and he said, we went to dinner, 630 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: we had a lovely evening, and then he said, would 631 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 1: you like to go with me to my best friend's house, 632 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: which is is Bill Cosby? And I didn't have anything 633 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: to do. I I had broken up with my boyfriend. 634 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about where I was going 635 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: or whatever. And I said, well, okay, yeah, all right. 636 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I knew Bill Cosby had a show. 637 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: I never watched the show. I knew nothing really about 638 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: him at all, and I certainly didn't go there because 639 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 1: he was a celebrity. I went because I was having 640 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: a nice time with my date. So he took me 641 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: over to his house in Beverly Hills and he Bill 642 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: was so nice. He answered the door. Him and his 643 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: wife stood right by the door, Camille, I'll never forget 644 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 1: her name, And we were standing by the door just talking. 645 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: We were introduced, and he said, let's go to a movie. 646 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: What do you think? So I said, okay, it sounded 647 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: like fun to me. I was eighteen years old. I 648 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: just wanted to have fun. So I went to the 649 00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: movies with them. There was my was my date, Bill, 650 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: Camille and I and we had cracker Jack's and we 651 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: laughed and he played and he was he acted like 652 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: he was playing with a child with me. I did 653 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: not sit. I sat down and he sat next to 654 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: me on the far left. My date was next to 655 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: me and his wife was way on the other end. 656 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: But we had a really fun time and then we 657 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: he decided, you know, my the movie was over. We 658 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: were in Westwood. Movie was over, and he said, my 659 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: date said to me, would you like to go back 660 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: to Bills and play pool? I was the pool bunny 661 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: at the Playboy Club at eighteen. Can you believe this? So? Um? 662 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. So I said, oh okay, I thought, okay, 663 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 1: we'll do that. I mean, they all seemed so nice. 664 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I want to to do this? So I said, okay, 665 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: I will. So he went to his house and the 666 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: first thing he did was he walked in. He took 667 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: me into the pool. We all went to the pool 668 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: room and I said. He said to me, would you 669 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: like a cocktail? And I said I no, I don't 670 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: drink and he said okay, um, well would you like 671 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: some water? And I said no, I'm just fine. And 672 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: so that's how I met him. We were playing pool, 673 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: and so he he played first with my date and 674 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 1: then guess who won Bill? And he said, okay, well 675 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: now I play with Carla. Now it's getting on to 676 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: be around midnight. It's getting late. And I picked up 677 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: the pools que and i'm I'm playing and I suddenly 678 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: I looked up and I said, where where did your 679 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: wife go? And he goes, oh, I she probably went 680 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: to bed. I said, oh okay, and then I then 681 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: I play. I shot another thing, and I'm doing good 682 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,240 Speaker 1: at this game. And then I looked up and I go, well, 683 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,400 Speaker 1: where's my date? And he goes, oh, I don't know. 684 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,840 Speaker 1: He probably went to the bathroom or something. And so 685 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 1: he played the game. We did it. He beat me, 686 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: and I took my my, my, my pool queue and 687 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: it was in my back was to him, and I 688 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: turned around and I put it on the table and 689 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: when I turned back around, he lunched me. He just 690 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,799 Speaker 1: lunched right, I mean, just on me. He jumped me, 691 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: and I was in shock. And I I pushed him, 692 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,640 Speaker 1: like with all the strength I had. I tried, and 693 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: then he grabbed me and he kissed me right in 694 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,280 Speaker 1: the mouth, and I just I kicked. I pushed away 695 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,439 Speaker 1: from him, and I got away from and I was like, oh, 696 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: and I mean it was it was so awful. And 697 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,880 Speaker 1: then I looked up and those eyes that he looked, 698 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,919 Speaker 1: he looked like the devil. He didn't look like the fun, 699 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: happy guy anymore. He looked like the devil. And I said, 700 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: I for a second, I go, I just I sat 701 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: there for a second and I looked at him, and 702 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: I was I was a tough girl I grew up. 703 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: But in those days, I was a tough street girl. 704 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: I knew how to take care of myself, and men 705 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: were always trying to molest me my whole life, ever 706 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: since I was like five years old. He said, I 707 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 1: always got away, So I I took I. I started 708 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,720 Speaker 1: running down the hallway. He lived in a very large 709 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: house on the flats of Beverly Hills. And I went 710 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,240 Speaker 1: running down the hallway. And just as I'm running down 711 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: the hallway, who comes out of a door. My date. 712 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: So I looked at my date and I said, I'm leaving. 713 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: I want you to take me home now, right now. 714 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: And he did and I I never even talked to 715 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: him about it. I've just went completely silent, got in 716 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 1: the car, he took me and dropped me off, and 717 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: that was that. You know, it's one thing Dr Bethany 718 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: Marshall to hear from various victims, because if you are 719 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: prone to believe Cosby and disbelieve all these women, you 720 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 1: find a way to discount everything they say. Have you 721 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: noticed that, Oh? Absolutely, that's the way the brain works. 722 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: If you have a very strong belief system and somebody 723 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: presents evidence to the contrary, it will actually buttress and 724 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,720 Speaker 1: reinforce your own belief system, even if your belief system 725 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: is off. But I think there's some hope here in that. 726 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: I think that our jurors are the conscience of the community. 727 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: I think, and after the Meto movement, our our culture 728 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: is rethinking why women UM wait so long to come forward, 729 00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: what victimization means, how women become discredited UM after having 730 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 1: been victimized. So when they hear all this about Spanish 731 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: flight being drugged America's dad, I'm hoping that the jurors 732 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 1: are going to have a way to rethink all of 733 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: this in a sensitive way. And I think Palm Mesro 734 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: is not going to look so good. He We really 735 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: admired him and Michael Jackson trial because he's just so 736 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,359 Speaker 1: talented as an attorney, But degrading victims and victimizing them 737 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: even further, it's not a good look at this in 738 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: the in this day and age. You know what you 739 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: were saying about, If you're prone our mindset to disbelieve 740 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: all these women, you'll continue to do that and think 741 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 1: of them as um freeloaders and extortionists. In fact, Cosby 742 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: sends out his spokesperson, Andrew Wyatt, who describes the molestation 743 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: accusers us quote five distractions with quote poetic license and 744 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: alternative facts. And listen to this. It's really made me upset. 745 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 1: He says. This spokesperson for Cosby that the victims are 746 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: represented by quote two of the greatest extortions of the 747 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 1: twenty one century, Gloria Allread and daughter Lisa Bloom. You know, 748 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,000 Speaker 1: I really resent that because I a lot of people 749 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: don't like Gloria, and I'm not really sure why, because 750 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: I can remember guys, during the Scott Peterson trial, I 751 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,840 Speaker 1: would work. I'd get up five o'clock in the morning, 752 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: get to the courthouse, work all day, stay up to 753 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,400 Speaker 1: do my program on HLN, then stay up for Larry King, 754 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: which was ten you know, it would end at ten 755 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,879 Speaker 1: o'clock California time. I don't know what time that would 756 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: be Eastern at three hours and long story short, exhausted. 757 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: When I would leave the courthouse, there would be Gloria 758 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: already on the corner and her St John's suit working 759 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:56,680 Speaker 1: two cell phones working that woman. I mean, everybody trashes her. 760 00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: And of course I worked with Lisa uh as a friend. 761 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: We were friends at Court TV, so I don't really 762 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: appreciate the attack on the legacy. The Gloria already is 763 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: left behind anyway, that's a whole another can of worms. 764 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: But claiming that they're all trying to extort him, that 765 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,080 Speaker 1: that's what this is all about. Because I want you 766 00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: to listen to what Cosby himself says in an interview 767 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: with Larry King. Spanish fly was the thing that all 768 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:39,279 Speaker 1: boys at from age eleven on up to death. We 769 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,919 Speaker 1: will still be searching for Spanish flyer. And and what 770 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,239 Speaker 1: was the old The old story was if you took 771 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,839 Speaker 1: a little drop, it was on the head of the pen. 772 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't make it and the girl would drink it 773 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,799 Speaker 1: and she hello American. I mean, how dare he get 774 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,839 Speaker 1: a Larry King and jo about Spanish using Spanish fly 775 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,319 Speaker 1: either for himself or giving it to women? I mean 776 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Marshall, he made it all a big joke. Well, 777 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: but we know with this um type of offender, because 778 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,480 Speaker 1: rapist typologies are very clearly delineated, and one type of 779 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: rapist is a rapist who as a personality disorder prone 780 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 1: to criminality, lack of conscience, low levels of insight or 781 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 1: empathy towards the victims, so Bill Cosby just falls right 782 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: into this category. So you know how criminals will break 783 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 1: about the crime and they don't think they'll get into trouble. 784 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,400 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby's personalities disorder allows him to go on national 785 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: television and basically brag about drugging and raping his victims 786 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: because he thinks he's above it all. He has no 787 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,319 Speaker 1: insight into the fact that people are listening and that 788 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,560 Speaker 1: they actually might have second thoughts about this. Well, here's 789 00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: a message, f y I Cosby, We're listening. Nancy Grace 790 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:13,399 Speaker 1: Crime Stories signing off. Goodbye friend. 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