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Speaker 2: That for me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard

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Speaker 2: so many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for Dake Edo Steak.

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Speaker 1: Is that woo whoo? And no them? And Tie Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. It's going to be sixty degrees out there.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be sixty degrees over here. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say that spring has sprung. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we are inching ever so close to a little

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Speaker 1: bit better weather in our respective locations. Sir, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the show.

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Speaker 2: How I thank you, I'm good. Do me a favor

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Speaker 2: in post if you, while you are talking about inching

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Speaker 2: drums under that description, because that's all we have up

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Speaker 2: here in the north, Tie is dreams of sixty degrees

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Speaker 2: and look as it inches closer to sixty, sixty five,

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Speaker 2: seventy degrees whatever in the next few months. It's also

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Speaker 2: that old like little kid adage of like when you

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Speaker 2: hide something, you go warmer, warmer. You getting close to

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Speaker 2: college football season, right, And they can draw a distinct

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Speaker 2: line between weather and college football growing nearer you have

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Speaker 2: like your meetings, the SEC meetings and destin right, the

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Speaker 2: coaches meetings, the conference meetings and eventually media days and

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Speaker 2: stuff like that. So there is that like direct line

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Speaker 2: between what is it high pressure or low pressure systems

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Speaker 2: and college football, which is great.

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Speaker 1: What is the moment in the calendar for you? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when just kind of going about our off season here

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Speaker 1: and suddenly you realize, damn, this is getting awfully big

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Speaker 1: in the window, like it's gonna be here, The season's

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Speaker 2: Oh, magazines, When I bop over to Barnes and Noble

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Speaker 2: or whatever and buy I usually just go Aflon. That's

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Speaker 2: my move right now, unless somebody else wants to sponsor

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Speaker 2: the show. That's when I have that in my hand

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Speaker 2: with possibly incorrect transfer information. That's when it feels like, okay,

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Speaker 1: My go to is usually Pick six but.

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Speaker 2: Also good that's digital though, is gold media in my hands?

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Speaker 2: I'm old fashioned that ony.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And and Brett's sort of a one man army

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Speaker 1: putting it together. He does an awesome job. I would

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Speaker 1: occur for everybody go check that out as well. But

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Speaker 1: because he's doing all the work, and because we live

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Speaker 1: in this era of college footba where everything turns over

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Speaker 1: so damn quickly, Unfortunately it takes him a while to

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Speaker 1: a little bit later than some of the others. But

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Speaker 1: a lot of good preview pubs out there. I definitely

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Speaker 1: think for me, once I get through May, yeah, once

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Speaker 1: up with respect to magazines, but once we get into

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Speaker 1: the latter half of May, start pushing into the early

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Speaker 1: part of June. Typically, speaking with regard to what we

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Speaker 1: do here, those are sort of the dulgrums of college

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Speaker 1: football podcasting. Nobody is listening at that point in time

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Speaker 1: because that is kind of the calm before the storm.

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Speaker 1: But from that point forward, things start to build very closely.

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Speaker 1: You start seeing preview stuff out there, not just the magazines,

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Speaker 2: we you know it's going to be a little bit

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Speaker 2: when I truly know the season is upon us. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 2: welcome to March one and all.

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Speaker 1: I am ty, he is Dan. This is a solid

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Speaker 1: verbal thank you for coming on back here on today's episode. Actually,

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Speaker 1: on our next two episodes, it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: big old two part Q and A episode. We sent

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Speaker 1: without further ado, if you are ready, I'm ready, I've in.

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Speaker 1: Let's congratulations Skippy, you've got mail, You've got mail on

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Speaker 1: the solid ruble as often as we can, Dan and

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Speaker 1: usually once a month here in the offseason, we like

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Speaker 1: to pay homage to the fine for ballers that right

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Speaker 1: over the next two episodes. Forty five minutes ish today,

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Speaker 2: I do want to get to I know you. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you put this in the dock. I

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Speaker 2: an email with a and I won't spoil it here.

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Speaker 2: It was an existential question about morality, did you Oh.

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Speaker 1: I have it? I have it.

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Speaker 1: Of course I have it. I'm not gonna leave that

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Speaker 2: And it's from a fan of a team that you

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Speaker 1: let me start with Rowel, though he says as a

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Speaker 1: Gator fan, Kirby Smart's reign of terror in Athens has

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Speaker 1: been nothing short of oppressive. Good words, Rowell, but okay,

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Speaker 1: are we starting to see cracks in the foundation? He's

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Speaker 1: keeping his longtime friend Mike Bobo as offensive coordinator. The

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Speaker 1: Also, Kirby looks tired and worn down after putting so

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Speaker 1: much blood, sweat and tears into making Uga into Sabin

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Speaker 1: on there, Dan, thank you for wool U. Are there

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Speaker 2: No, there are not cracks in the Georgia Foundation because

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Speaker 2: Georgia is just any other excellent college football program that

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Speaker 2: with Nick Saban every two and a half to four years,

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Speaker 2: it was, are there cracks in the Nick Saban Foundation?

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Speaker 2: Is this dynasty dead? Because what the bar that Nick

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Speaker 2: him that you know had an extended run of excellence,

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Speaker 2: you know Pete Carroll at USC whoever that there is

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Speaker 2: just a finite amount of time to maintain a certain level,

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Speaker 2: and he's been there. What twenty sixteen was Kirby's first

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Speaker 2: twenty one, two three four. We're heading into year ten

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Speaker 2: that is going to be impossible to meet.

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Speaker 1: Every year.

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Speaker 2: Kirby Smart had his best run with an accidentally excellent

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame and Bend states that's fair, This is totally fair. No,

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Speaker 2: that's not fair. That's not nice. But Georgia did that

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Speaker 2: If you were to talk to Kirby Smart during the

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Speaker 2: stets and Bennett recruitment and walk on period to be like,

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Speaker 2: this guy's going to be one of the greatest all time,

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Speaker 2: the SEC fact check me, yes, Georgia won the SEC

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Speaker 1: It, you need to say it terror, Tara.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm from Huntington, Long Island. This is to be

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Speaker 2: everybody while doing so. Still just in terms of what

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Speaker 2: the word like loyalists or anything like that, but there's

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Speaker 2: Bobo and bringing Will must Champ back because I believe

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Speaker 2: they played together at Georgia when Will must Champ was

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Speaker 2: in the was in the program. And so I don't

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Speaker 2: because what Kirby has to do is teach him the

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Speaker 2: Georgia football language ahead of this new coordinator infusing Georgia

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Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. Good question, Roll, Thank

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Speaker 1: What would be your play in the nil slash revenue

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Speaker 2: I'm finding the next person who's energetic about both the

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00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: place winning, keeping players around because he sets a culture

437
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: that makes people want to hang around and sets a

438
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: culture that gets like people probably love hanging out people

439
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: with money in Arizona with Kenny Dillingham, he wins games.

440
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: He's a big personality. Same with Kurt Signetti Indiana and

441
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: the investment's happening there. I don't think you can truly

442
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: build a money base until you show proof of concept,

443
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Speaker 2: and so I wouldn't go sovereign wealth fund right away,

444
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Speaker 2: you know, or whatever you want to whatever you want to,

445
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: like try to coax your biggest boosters into donating money

446
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: as soon as the next guy is hired. Sure, I

447
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 2: would find that guy who exclusively wins and exclusively has

448
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 2: enthusiasm for building culture and finding winning players because the

449
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: money will come. Again, if you're talking about Power two

450
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 2: programs and the you know, the Bowl eligible level, the

451
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 2: money's going to come. But like Clark, Lee has run

452
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: successful defenses everywhere, has found great assistant coaches, great transfers

453
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: at Vanderbilt, and now the money's going to come even more.

454
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Speaker 2: Vanderbilt obviously a financial advantaged place, but you need to show, oh,

455
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 2: a Bowl game, you need to show a run of

456
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: bowl games. And I think just the idea is you

457
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: got to develop first. You just you have to sort

458
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: of lean on what you know you can do before saying,

459
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Speaker 2: throw a hundred million dollars into the pile.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw money at it. I want to

461
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Speaker 1: start there.

462
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 2: That's fine. I mean you can't. You have to have

463
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: some money you have to have to start with. But yeah,

464
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't I wouldn't go I wouldn't throw good money

465
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Speaker 2: at bad problems.

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Speaker 1: Right away, let's go to the email you mentioned earlier. Please,

467
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: this is from Gray, who has listened to our show. Gosh,

468
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: I don't even know for how long he's been a

469
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: loyal overballer all these years. Thank you for listening. Gray.

470
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of a longer question, but

471
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my best to get through it because

472
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: it's very thoughtful and he puts some energy into this,

473
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: all right, I think we owe him that. Yes, I'm

474
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: a Clemson fan and I have a burning question. I

475
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: celebrate the whole sport and love multiple teams. I do

476
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: my own show, but Clemson is in my blood. I

477
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: can't stand the way clem Nation has changed. Though. We

478
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: are hateful, gleeful, in vengeance, in mass and it's all

479
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: counterintuitive to Clemson's own leaders in vocal mission. Here's my question.

480
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: Am I wrong to be upset about this and want

481
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Speaker 1: to change it? He goes on. We used to be inviting,

482
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: in fun, celebratory even and we were arguably the quote

483
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: unquote good guys. Now we're not just defined by the opposite,

484
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: but we celebrate that. It happens often enough to be definitive.

485
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: And it absolutely bugs me. Because Clemson Nation is singular

486
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: in how it's defined by hate and anchor. We are

487
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: uniquely toxic as a fan culture across the sport. Think

488
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: Tyler and Spartanburg. It wasn't just a unique story, but

489
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: it was celebrated, etc. Etc. But we insist as if

490
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: it's just the quote bad apples, not talking about the

491
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: anonymous accounts created exclusively in Clemson's name, image and like this,

492
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: but also the good people who participate closely with the

493
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: program and have various public voices, the radio host blah

494
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: blah blah. Right, you get the picture. Can fan culture

495
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: change it? Already has changed here into a remarkable inescapable degree,

496
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: But my question is can it change back? And are

497
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: people like me who love Clemson but can't stand this

498
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: collective change and the crazy ones yeah for letting it

499
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: bother us, only to be shunned like we're Clemson rivals

500
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: for saying so and pushing back on the deluge of toxicity. Okay,

501
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: great question, This is a very thoughtful question. Yeah, fan Culture, Dan,

502
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: I think it's imperative that you and I mentioned Neither

503
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: you nor I are on the inside of Clemson football talk.

504
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: Speak for yourself. I have a number of burners on

505
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: number of too.

506
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: We both can get into all of these message boards. Yeah.

507
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: I am not going to act as if I am

508
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: anything other than an outsider when it comes to Clemson.

509
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: Of course, but this is a broader conversation, broader converce.

510
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: What's interesting from Afar with respect to Clemson, We've seen

511
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: it with other teams, the new teams, the newer teams

512
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: that crop up, that throw their name in the ring,

513
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: that start going on a little bit of a run,

514
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: that have exciting players, that tend to build upon success.

515
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: They all start off being the good guys, at least

516
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: I guess through the eyes of the public, maybe without

517
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: a rooting interest one way or another. They always start

518
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: off being the good guys. But then with continued success,

519
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: with more mic time for Dabbo, with any number of factors,

520
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: you start to see I think the general public gets

521
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: sick of a team. You get sick of a team, right,

522
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: And that's when, at least from the outside in, you

523
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: start to see that shift and sentiment from hey, it'd

524
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: be cool if Clemson wand to oh, not them again? Right,

525
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: And we've seen that again and again. That's not unique

526
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: to Clemson. But what Gray is describing here is from

527
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: the inside out. You answer that, I mean.

528
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: The old idiom, the adage, right, you live long enough

529
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: for the hero to become the villain. I'm screwing that up,

530
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: but you know you understand the gist of what I'm saying.

531
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: This is true of everything. I think there's a multi

532
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 2: pronged conversation to be had. One first off is just

533
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: what one's media diet is. If you are a big

534
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: Clemson fan and you're not on message boards, and you're

535
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: not on Twitter, and you're not listening to podcasts local, national, regional, whatever,

536
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: if you're not watching the ACC network, if you are

537
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: just somebody who enjoys Clemson football, looks to see who

538
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: they sign and how the recruiting class was, tunes in

539
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: for the spring game, watches all the games, goes to

540
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 2: a couple games whatever, talks to your buddies at a

541
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: sports bar, at a cookout, whatever, and you're like, oh man,

542
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: remember this guy. Oh I can't wait for this guy.

543
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: You're probably not feeling this. You're probably knowing that Okay,

544
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: they've been down from where they were, but it's amazing

545
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: this run that Dabo has been on. And I would

546
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: say and argue, the more caloric that your college football

547
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: media diet is, the more you're going to look at

548
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: something that is otherwise innocent. That Ty said something about

549
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: ACC teams that he's interested in. Oh, he's Ty Hildenbrand

550
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: from The saliverbal Interested in Miami loves the f Annibal

551
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: at Syracuse loves you what Pitt was able to do

552
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: starting out last year and perhaps accidentally but perhaps just

553
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: like didn't mean any offense, didn't really mention Clemson. And

554
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: then you say to yourself.

555
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: This guy has it in for Clemson. I'm angry.

556
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 2: This guy can't even mention this otherwise very handsome, professional

557
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: voice can't even bring himself to mention Clemson. And that's

558
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: just like that micro slight. And then somebody else does it,

559
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 2: right that Tom Cornelly does it, or Josh Pate does it,

560
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: or Nicole Auerback does it, or whoever on NBC or ESPN,

561
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: Like I mean, they mentioned Clemson, but like they spend

562
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: way more time talking about Alabama, and Alabama just lost Oklahoma,

563
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: and you just have these micro slights add up. And

564
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: that's part of the diet. And I understand it. I'm

565
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: not even saying it's wrong. I get it. Because Clemson

566
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: went from this place of like, Okay, they fire their coach.

567
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: Dabble comes in as this unknown and he's this feel

568
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: good story without any experience, and he brings this team

569
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: to a national Championship contending place, and they actually win

570
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: the national championship and they're sort of outsiders because they

571
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: haven't really been a college football power for an extended

572
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: amount of time ever, and here they are is like

573
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: this new national power. Like that's a cool story. They're

574
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: not Alabama, they're not LSU, they're not Ohio State. And

575
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: then they're around every year. They're in the thick of it.

576
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: They've got a number one overall pick and Trevor Lawrence,

577
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: They've got this crazy defensive line. They're in the playoff

578
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: every year. And then there's more attention on Clemson and

579
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 2: people think, oh, this dabbo guy, like he seems like

580
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: he's sort of awe shucks. But then like you get

581
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: kind of the sense that it's not fully authentic in

582
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: some ways, and you're like, I don't know, now he's

583
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: unlikable to me. And then inside at Clemson they're like, well,

584
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: we were making the national championship every year and we

585
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: were seen as like outsiders in a good story for

586
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: you know, making it through the ACC and going to

587
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: a national championship, and how people don't like us, and

588
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: now what now I feel defensive about Clemson And now

589
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: Clemson is making me look bad for being defensive about

590
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: Clemson because they're now suddenly losing two, three four games

591
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: a year in this disappointing acc So I'm angry about Clemson.

592
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm angry about people disrespecting Clemson on the outside, and

593
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: I'm just feeling all of these feelings about my own

594
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: fandom that all of a sudden, I got a taste

595
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: of first class. I got a taste of warm cookies

596
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: and you know, fresh squeeze juice. And now I'm not

597
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: even flying coach. They expect me to fly business class

598
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: or Economy first or you know, one of the whatever

599
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: whatever the extra leg room. Like that's guys, guys, guys, guys,

600
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: we're not We're not a twelve seed type program. And

601
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: I've gotten used to this. So then suddenly there's just

602
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: like something burning inside of you that never burns because

603
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: you expect to be there every season.

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00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the point. I think that's the point.

605
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's, yeah, if if you make the National

606
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: Championship as sort of a one off, maybe you don't

607
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: win it. Maybe you're TCU from a couple of years ago, right,

608
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: we had a conversation about TCU and they made it.

609
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: And I remember talking to you about it at the time.

610
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: We did a live show out in LA before that game,

611
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: and we talked about it with the live audience there,

612
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: and the question was, is this now a fair expectation

613
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: for TCU because TCU got this coach. We had like

614
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: Marshall Newhouse up on stage with us. I think we

615
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: talked to him, yeah, yeah, but is this a realistic

616
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: expectation for this program now every year to get back

617
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: here to being tension? And we had TCU people in

618
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: the crowd who are like, no, absolutely not. We don't

619
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: think so. But Clemson did it once and then they

620
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: did it again and they kept being relevant in that conversation.

621
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: And so I think if you're a fan of the team,

622
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 1: it's just human nature that that's going to be your

623
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: new lifestyle, your new identity, right, it's your new identity, right,

624
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: that's what you expect from your team. And to your point,

625
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: maybe little micro things that add up just by reading

626
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: whatever online. Maybe that feeling of being defensive when others

627
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: try to pile on after your team falls a little.

628
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: You want your identity validated, sure those around you. You

629
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: want your identity, Like I root for an elite, blue

630
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: blood type program and we should be respected as such everywhere.

631
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: And then when you feel the disrespect and other people

632
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: are like, why don't you just take it easy? Clemson's

633
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: still good, and then you're like, well, you don't understand

634
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: college football anymore. The how much Stabbo has in this

635
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: program of fallen off. He can't hire guys, he's not

636
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: bringing in transfers, he's not a serious coach anymore, and

637
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: you're just like, you get down a rabbit hole of

638
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: like your identity being threatened. And not unique to Clemson

639
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: at all.

640
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: I think any program out there that's had any degree

641
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: of success on the national level, you will have fans

642
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: like this, and they will become more emboldened as your

643
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: team continues to do well. With Clemson won the ACC

644
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: this year, the damn their world playoff game. It's still

645
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: a very good program, but not enough. Maybe not enough,

646
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: but it's going to empower I think the worst in

647
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Speaker 1: any fan base to speak up and be a little

648
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: bit more of vociferous and get on the nerves of

649
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Speaker 1: good people like Ray. How does it change though, I

650
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: think it's the media diet thing. Can fan culture change,

651
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: not as a whole, but individuals can change. I think

652
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: individuals who catch themselves being furious after wins. Right, if

653
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: Clemson at number seven, and trust me again, I am

654
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: not excluding myself from this bit of unhealthy fandom. If

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00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: number seven Clemson were to beat number nineteen NC State

656
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: twenty eight to twenty four, and it was relatively close

657
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: and it didn't feel like a Clemson win from twenty

658
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: sixteen or something, and you know, they needed a turnover,

659
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: they needed a scoop and score to win the game

660
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: in the third quarter, something that was the difference maker

661
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: in the game. And it just kind of.

662
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Speaker 2: Feels like they sort of beat a decent team rather

663
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 2: than fully dominating and stomping that team. And you turn

664
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 2: off the TV and you're just like, oh, it feels empty.

665
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: There needs to be at some point that bit of

666
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: introspection of like, it doesn't feel good to feel bad

667
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 2: after a win. What am I doing with my college

668
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: football consumption that is leading me to that? Am I

669
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Speaker 2: arguing with strangers online? Am I listening to three hours

670
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Speaker 2: of a radio show of other callers disappointed after that

671
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: NC State win? Could I be using my time and attention,

672
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: limited as it may be, in a more productive way?

673
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: Could I be improving my backstroke time. Could I start

674
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: climbing a rock wall twice a week? Could I start

675
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: learning Italian? Could I start learning JavaScript? Whatever? That is

676
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: what I think can help change not a culture, but

677
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: an individual who catches him or herself and like, oh man,

678
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: what is this? What is this feeling I'm feeling after

679
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: a win? Because I feel like I'm entitled to glee

680
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: after every single Clemson game or whoever you're rooting for

681
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: a game. Clemson is just this specific example, and I

682
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: think you need to call it, call your own diet

683
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: into question, because yes, you have to take responsibility for

684
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: your own feelings, but two figure out what is contribute

685
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: to that and trying to consume the sport by only

686
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: listening to the solid verbal and other healthyess.

687
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Speaker 1: That's right, and follow it. Subscribe if you made it

688
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: this far, look, I can neither confirm nor deny anything

689
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: that Gray as saying here. This is a first person perspective, and.

690
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: I felt it about Oregon the entirety of the Mario

691
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 2: christaball Era.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to misrepresent myself or ourselves by acting

693
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: as if we're any kind of As I said at

694
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: the top, Clemson insiders, we are certainly not, even if

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Speaker 1: we can read some of the message board postings and

696
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: things like that. I will say that when I saw

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Speaker 1: this email, the first thought that came to mind is

698
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: to directly to his question, can fan culture change? And

699
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: after he described all these things that tend to build

700
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: up for him and bring him down? I think the

701
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: answer is yes. And as he says, and here, it

702
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: already has changed to some extent. But if you want

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Speaker 1: it to change back, I think the only way it

704
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: changes back, if it needs to, is if you put

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00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: some distance between the success between yourself and the coach

706
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: and the program and the coach and many of the

707
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: players that made it possible. Like you almost need a

708
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Speaker 1: bit of a cool down period.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, maybe what Florida State just got

710
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 2: this year exactly was a touch of perspective, and maybe

711
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: post Dabbo, Clemson makes a hire, take your pick. Clemson

712
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: hires Tim Alvin, Clemson hires Charles huff whoever, like some

713
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: kind of recent winner is and they're just not a

714
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 2: fit and they go four and eight in the ACC. Yeah,

715
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Speaker 2: and it's a nightmare. It's a disaster if you're a

716
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: Clemson fan again. This is a unique thing to Clemson,

717
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 2: and he's just like, oh, well, I guess Clemson only

718
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: having i think one single digit win season since twenty eleven.

719
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Speaker 2: It was a really nice stretch. It was a really

720
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Speaker 2: we should have appreciated it more.

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Speaker 1: That's all.

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00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think maybe, yeah, a cool down Period's

723
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: a nice way of putting it perspective, however you want

724
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Speaker 2: to phrase it. I'm not gonna say it's gonna fix

725
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: what Gray feels is a toxic fan culture, but maybe

726
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: that like sixty three percent toxic becomes forty eight percent

727
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: toxic after a season like that.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of Clemson people that listen to

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00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: this show, and I would encourage them to weigh And

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Speaker 1: again I'm not confirming, not denying anything.

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Speaker 2: I love this question.

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Speaker 1: It's a really good question. It's a really thoughtful question.

733
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Speaker 1: And I know we have thoughtful people out there who

734
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Speaker 1: root for any number of great teams. But for the

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Speaker 1: Clemson people, especially that I know do listen, especially in

736
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Speaker 1: the offseason. You know how to get in touch the

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Speaker 1: solidverbal at gmail dot com. You can of course always

738
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Speaker 1: comment on this episode wherever you can be it out

739
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: on Spotify or YouTube, even out on Patreon. If that's

740
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Speaker 1: your thing, just wait and let us know if you

741
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Speaker 1: agree with the question, you agree with our answers, or

742
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Speaker 1: if there's more to the story.

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Speaker 2: On that topic. The most publicly toxic fan culture of

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season was the fan base that

745
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: had a team win the national championship. There's just going

746
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: to be part of it with college football, and you

747
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: need to decide for yourself to what degree are you

748
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Speaker 2: going to engage.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Harrison march Out on Instagram. Who is

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Speaker 1: the next first time national championship winner? I am going

751
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: to add in an addendum here and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: say other than Oregon, because Oregon, I think is the

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Speaker 1: obvious answer. If we take Oregon out of the mix. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: organ has never won a national championship. You take them

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Speaker 1: out of the mix, it seems as if they would

756
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Speaker 1: be the next favorite to do. So, if you have

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Speaker 1: to pick, who are you picking?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say any of Notre Dames national championships are

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Speaker 2: legitimate given their schedule and independence until this season. Times

760
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Speaker 2: season sure ten Power Conference opponents plus Boise State and

761
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Speaker 2: I believe Navy, no random neutral site games. So if

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame were to win it this year, I think

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Speaker 2: they would be their first legit national title.

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Speaker 1: Do you know the statistically speaking, yeah, the most successful

765
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Speaker 1: program to never win a national championship Harvard. No, I

766
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Speaker 1: don't know who West.

767
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Speaker 2: Virginia in terms of wins or winning percentage or West

768
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Speaker 2: Virginia have a number of like eight win seasons.

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Speaker 1: I believe is the most winningest, most successful by some

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Speaker 1: metric program to have never won a national championship. So

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Speaker 1: they make a coaching change, They bring back rich Rod,

772
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Speaker 1: brought in a bunch of transfers. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a Frank Signetti situation. My hunch

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Speaker 1: is that that was kind of once in a blue moon.

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Speaker 1: But okay, we'll give her a trod benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 1: West Virginia, I think, is a school that's interesting to

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Speaker 1: chart now with him being back in town. What do

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Speaker 1: you mean by a Frank Signetti situation, Kurt Signetti situation?

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Speaker 1: Kurt Signetti, Okay, different Signetti. Come on. Yeah, I don't

780
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Speaker 1: know if he's going to have the defense to pull

781
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Speaker 1: this off, but certainly offense has always been his pedigree.

782
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Speaker 1: We'll have to watch that. Some other schools that came

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Speaker 1: to mind just at first blush that I didn't need

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Speaker 1: to Google to see which programs have not won a

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Speaker 1: national championship. Case for Utah, I don't know if it's

786
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Speaker 1: as strong a case as it was last year, coming

787
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Speaker 1: into last year or the year prior. Utah is in

788
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: a different place now they've named a successor to Kyle Winningham.

789
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Speaker 1: I don't know how long before Winningham walks away. I

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00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: think it'll be sooner than later. But Utah has at

791
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Speaker 1: least been a program that's had a fair amount of

792
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Speaker 1: sustained success. Albeit speaking of cracks in the foundation, I

793
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: think we've seen a couple of those over the last

794
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Speaker 1: few seasons. Louisville is interesting to me.

795
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Speaker 2: Yeah they've won in basketball, Yeah they.

796
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Speaker 1: Won in basketball. But the ACC is gettable.

797
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: But see here, can I stop you once? Can I

798
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: jump in impolitely one second?

799
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Speaker 1: Please?

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that the ACC is gettable, or that

801
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: the Big twelve is gettable. That doesn't matter anymore. The

802
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: twelve team and fourteen team era, like just arriving into

803
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: a big playoff I think negates any sort of Cinderella

804
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: ish type possibility. A four team player you need to

805
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: win two games the previous era, you needed to win

806
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: one game in the BCS. The era before that, you

807
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 2: just needed to run a random bowl matchup after finishing

808
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 2: first or second or something like that and maybe even

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Speaker 2: getting a share of the national title. So even saying

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Speaker 2: like who is the team that has never won the

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Speaker 2: national title? Like the old system advantaged so many teams

812
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Speaker 2: as national championship teams because it was so much easier.

813
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Speaker 2: You were just given a share of a national title

814
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Speaker 2: without proving it in four games in January or something

815
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Speaker 2: like that. So if you're not recruiting at a top

816
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Speaker 2: fifteen level right now, like, it's just insane to say

817
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Speaker 2: because of what the depth that you're gonna need to

818
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Speaker 2: go through Georgia and Texas and Oregon and Penn State

819
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Speaker 2: or who had notre d aim to win a national championship.

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Speaker 2: Like I almost think it's a waste of your precious

821
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Speaker 2: breath right now.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

823
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Speaker 2: Like if you're saying like Utah, West, Virginia, Michigan State,

824
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Speaker 2: I don't know if Michigan State's won a national title.

825
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Speaker 2: I don't know if they were on your list, but

826
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Speaker 2: I look like they have an easy path in the

827
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Speaker 2: Big twelve, so they have an easy path in the

828
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Speaker 2: ACC or the big Tanner Like, No, I don't think

829
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: path matters anymore because it's an easier conference. Used to

830
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Speaker 2: be that like skip ahead, Mario Portal, whatever, and now

831
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Speaker 2: it's not. It's just not.

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Speaker 1: I think path matters a little bit. If you don't

833
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Speaker 1: have an easy path, or if you don't have a

834
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Speaker 1: feasible path, if you're in say Conference USA, you have

835
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Speaker 1: no shot of being the next time or the next

836
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Speaker 1: first time national championship team. Right. I am trading in

837
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Speaker 1: the hypotheticals here, and I had a hard time with

838
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Speaker 1: this question too. I'll grant you that.

839
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Speaker 2: I just think the more appropriate question is like who

840
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: is the next first time playoff team? That's where path matters,

841
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: That's where a current status meant matter.

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Speaker 1: We did get a question about that as well. Sure

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Speaker 1: we got a question about that. So Harrison, we're gonna

844
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Speaker 1: pivot over to another question that we got here. I

845
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Speaker 1: believe this one came to us from zach Out on Patreon,

846
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: and he says, if you had to pick an Indiana

847
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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five, who would it be to take

848
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: that in any direction you want? Indiana? I think is

849
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: sort of the answer to your question of first time

850
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Speaker 1: playoff participant, right, who could that team be to that end?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Arizona State was an interesting answer. Your ago

852
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: SMU was an interesting answer. You're a going last season.

853
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 2: But what is this year's Indiana mean? Does it mean

854
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 2: first year head coach who immediately like sets a somewhat

855
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: weaker schedule on fire.

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00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: It could be a first time head coach. It could

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Speaker 1: be a transfer heavy team. It could be a team

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Speaker 1: I think just in general that the fives expectations in

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Speaker 1: a really drastic way. You know, I'm not talking about

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Speaker 1: Penn State winning the national championship. Penn State was close

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Speaker 1: to making the national title game. I'm talking more specifically

862
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Speaker 1: about a team that sort of comes out of nowhere

863
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: and finds himself with the shot, maybe because of the path,

864
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: because they just have a good season, I don't know,

865
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: but a team that is sort of a Cinderella in

866
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: some sense making the playoff for the first time.

867
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this as a first year coach who

868
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 2: has enough of a winning pedigree and enough potentially new

869
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: players in that program to make a difference against an

870
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: advantageous schedule.

871
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: So are we gonna say West Virginia.

872
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: I don't have West Virginia's schedule, and I'll pull up

873
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: West Virginia schedule, but take a look at North Carolina schedule. It, Oh,

874
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 2: no kind of rules.

875
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna do the Belichick type thing.

876
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: I am not talking myself into Belichick because his circumstance

877
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: is different than a James Madison coach coming over and

878
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: with existing college football player relationships. But just in terms

879
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 2: of schedule and just in terms of winning pedigree, I

880
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: have no idea what the too deep of North Carolina

881
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 2: looks like. I know they lost a bunch of decent players,

882
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: and there's no clear answer. I don't believe at quarterback

883
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: right now, it's Max Johnson back for his thirty seventh season.

884
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: I believe.

885
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: So North Carolina twenty twenty five football schedule. I have

886
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 2: it in front of me right now. Ty TCU, Charlotte, Richmond, UCF. Okay, okay,

887
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: t eacuse me tough. That's in Chapel Hill. That's looks

888
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: like it's the Labor Day Monday night game. UCF is

889
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 2: on the road. That's another interesting candidate, by the way,

890
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: with UCF and Scott Frost. But I digress. They do

891
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: have Clemson, but that's in Chapel Hill. They have Syracuse,

892
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: but they do not have Miami, and they do not

893
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: have SMU. The Duke game is in Chapel Hill. I

894
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 2: don't believe. Yeah, they travel across the country to play Cal.

895
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: I mean Cal Virginia, Syracuse new quarterback Stanford not great,

896
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 2: Wake not great, Duke not great. NC State not great.

897
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean, possibly these teams are decent, but obviously outclassed

898
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: on this schedule. I don't know. North Carolina is interesting

899
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 2: to me. Houston's a little bit interesting to me. West

900
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 2: Virginia is the answer. Why is West Virginia the answer?

901
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: West Virginia is the answer. First off, you want to

902
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: talk about pedigree, We know rich Rod's got a bit

903
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: of an offensive pedigree. Yeah, a lot of transfers, a

904
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: lot of transfers. The schedule looks schedible to me. The

905
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: two toughest games on this thing are beginning of October

906
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 1: on the road at BYU, and they close out their season.

907
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: Second to last game this season is on the road

908
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: at Arizona State. They close out at home against Texas Tech.

909
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: But you know, I it's probably too early to do

910
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: the whole preview thing. Yeah, but as you look up

911
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: and down the Big twelve. There is just a lot

912
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: of uncertainty.

913
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the number of transfers they're going to count

914
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: on makes looking at this schedule not worthless but very difficult.

915
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean, they could start out two and four, They

916
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: could start out one to five. They could also start

917
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: out six and zero. Like, I don't know what you're like,

918
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 2: big is it? Jalen Henderson who transferred in at quarterback

919
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: for rich Rod. I guess that's going to be sort

920
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 2: of everything running that system. But it's there's a lot

921
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 2: of losable games. If there's losible games.

922
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: But if you if you went into most of the

923
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: schedule and said, yeah, we're not so worried about trying

924
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: to play shut down defense, we just want to try

925
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: to outscore these teams, that's not a bad game plan. No,

926
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: it's not a bad game plan truly against what I

927
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: see here.

928
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think who else like hired somebody knew

929
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: that could out like wake Forest.

930
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean, look, if if you want to stay in

931
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: the Big twelve, Texas Tech is also an interesting answer

932
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: for this. Okay, they've got a tough back half of theirs.

933
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: Not a new coach. Not a new coach but they

934
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: went crazy in the portal, brought in a bunch of talent.

935
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: They've got a tough back half of the schedule, so

936
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be an issue of

937
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: being taken seriously. They've got to figure out a way

938
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: to make it through that, mind you. But in terms

939
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: of a first time team that look, they were all

940
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: first and playoff qualifiers in the twelve expanded field type

941
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: era a few months ago. But in terms of new

942
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: teams that maybe weren't in it previously and are gonna

943
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: bubble up here as we get a little bit closer

944
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: to previous season, I ain't text another one that would

945
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: throw in there as well.

946
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: I also think the question of this year is Indiana

947
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: when last year's Indiana. That kind of thing happens so infrequently,

948
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: it's almost not fair to what the Hoosiers accomplished last season.

949
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: That to say, like, who I understand these are all

950
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: this is March, this is what you do. You ask questions,

951
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: but you really have to stretch for anybody because it's

952
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 2: impossible to know with the number of transfers that Indiana

953
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: brought in last year. Although we did know that Curtis

954
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: Rourke was going to come in and be, if nothing else,

955
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: above average because of his track record at Ohio.

956
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's close this out with Mark from Patreon. This

957
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: is a good question. A lot of people have pointed

958
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: out that it's possible now to turn around a losing

959
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: program much quicker than in the days before the transfer portal.

960
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: But what are the things that could happen structurally that

961
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: bury a program and send it into a long term tailspin?

962
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: And can you please tell me that some of those

963
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: things might actually be happening right now in Tucson, Arizona.

964
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: That's a funny Joe, Haha. Yeah, what can bury a program?

965
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: Joining the wrong conference? Boomer Sooner? No, I think Oklahoma's

966
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: actually gonna be okay this year. But yes, in joining

967
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: the wrong conference or joining the wrong level of college

968
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: football for reasons that aren't necessarily competitive or don't fully

969
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: make sense competitively long term, I think that can bury

970
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: a program absolutely. What do you see about Maryland and

971
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 2: Rutgers in the I mean, I think Maryland might be

972
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 2: recruiting very well right now, and they always are able

973
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: to get a few like really great local guys. Dy

974
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: it was that DMV time they've fully fallen off the

975
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: college football map since joining the Big Ten, right.

976
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: They haven't been competitive in the Big Ten.

977
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: They've had like moments of like, oh, Maryland be Texas

978
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: a couple of years in a row, and Rutgers was

979
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: feisty against this team and they just Rutgers Hot's heyday

980
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 2: in a different conference. Maryland is just regionally should not

981
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 2: be in the Big Ten along with about seven other

982
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: teams in the Big Ten.

983
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: Of course, Yeah, I mean Maryland's had their moments, but

984
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: by and large they've gotten smoked, yes, in the Big Ten.

985
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 2: So I would say that, I would say some sort

986
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 2: of controversy involving not just the coach, but like a

987
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: program wide controversy. We've seen, you know, really horrible things

988
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: at you know, places like Baylor and Penn State that

989
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 2: really set back a program for a while because reputationally

990
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: those places, even with places that have totally cleaned house

991
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: from an administrative level, from a coaching level, whatever, that

992
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: you you are now recruiting with a new stigma, and

993
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: that can be quite difficult to turn that ship around.

994
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: I think that's a big deal. I'm trying to think

995
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: what else, Well, I mean, that's something that sinks a

996
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 2: program that the portal can't fix in three.

997
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: Years hiring a bad coach. Yeah, but you can fix that,

998
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: you can try to fix that. Yeah, But hiring a

999
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: bad coach, or to go a step further, hiring more

1000
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: than one bad coach in a row, can really set

1001
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: you backways that could set you backaways.

1002
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: I think you can self impose a ceiling at a

1003
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: place that refuses to see the value in high level sports,

1004
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 2: like a place like UCLA imposes a college football ceiling

1005
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: because there have been stretches where the higher ups you know, chancellors, trustees, whatever,

1006
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 2: don't see the value in investing in football for a

1007
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: university right or wrong. That will self impose the ceiling.

1008
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: And so there are various places that whether it's not

1009
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 2: accepting you know, certain recruits because of their GPAs whatever

1010
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 2: that you're just going to like if a place has

1011
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: a reputation for in this what we talk about with

1012
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 2: like alignment, for not being aligned from the top down,

1013
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: like you're never gonna win big there, that'll just set

1014
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: a program back because great coaches aren't gonna want to

1015
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: coach there. And then you just trickle down like if

1016
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: a great coach isn't willing to be there, great assistants

1017
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: aren't gonna come, Great recruits aren't gonna come, and great

1018
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: donors aren't gonna feel once again hot and bothered, and

1019
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: so top down commitment or lack thereof, will set a

1020
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 2: program back, you know, forever.

1021
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, the bad coach thing, Brian Kelly,

1022
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: that's another answer. Herm Edwards another answer that we could.

1023
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean obviously as was able to overcome

1024
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: and Brian Kelly wins a lot of games. Those are jokes,

1025
00:55:54,719 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's generally my feeling of like, how how

1026
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 2: do you do something poorly as a university that can't

1027
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: be fixed by the portal and investment. It's not taking

1028
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 2: the sport seriously enough from a financial perspective, we're not

1029
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: having the ability to do so, or not having the

1030
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 2: people in charge who are working to better that, whether

1031
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: it's an ad, whether it's a president, chance or whatever.

1032
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: He's like, there's only so much you can do if

1033
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: your boss isn't into it.

1034
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, or if you've got Wisconsin's schedule in October this year.

1035
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: Or yeah, run the air raid at a power running place, right,

1036
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 2: that'll set you back?

1037
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: All right? Why don't we leave it there We've got

1038
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: a bunch more questions. We're going to do a part

1039
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,319
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1040
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1041
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1042
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1049
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1050
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1051
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