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I am Steve as always joined by Joe, 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:30.679 who's about to sneeze once again. We have another mystery 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.760 this week. Uh and as per normal, this is a 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:39.199 listener suggestion. This was suggested by Shelley quite a while back. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:41.959 And today what we're gonna be talking about is an 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.039 unsolved mystery that is mined from the show of the 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:50.120 very same name, Unsolved Mysteries. Yeah, an episode on these two. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.880 They did, they did. And I've actually I've been slowly 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.160 researching this story for several months now, as you too 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:00.120 well know. And while I haven't gotten every answer or 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.480 I feel like we've kind of pinned down a few 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:07.040 things that were a little more unresolved. So that's always 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.440 good to know. What we're gonna talk about today is 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.880 we're gonna talk about the deaths of and I really 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.200 hope I'm pronouncing this right, and I apologize if I'm 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.840 not for the last names here, but they are Arnold 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:24.160 Arschambau and Ruby Brugier. At the time of their deaths 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:28.200 in Arnold was twenty years old and Ruby was nineteen, 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:33.120 and they both lived in Lake Andy's South Dakota, which 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.839 is inside the borders of the Yankton Sioux Reservation and 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.280 to clarify for anybody who may not quite have understood 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:44.079 that the state of South Dakota has nine different reservations 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:48.720 on it and they're obviously there's towns inside of those reservations. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.519 This particular town, Lake Andy's, and the lake it's named 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:57.040 after is inside of the Yanktin Reservation. That's why that's 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.720 that way. That's kind of an interesting jurisdictional patchwork in there. Actually, 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.840 Oh buddy, we're gonna talk about the jurisdictional stuff because 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.040 it gets it gets kind of muddy. But the you know, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.560 the reservation itself is pretty big. It's what sixty five 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:15.360 square miles, which is just over sevent square kilometers, takes 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.120 up like six of the county that it's in. So 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:19.880 it's a big place and the county is in it's 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:24.480 kind of large to actually, Yeah, it's Charles Mix County 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.600 on the border with what Nebraska, the south end of 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.840 the south south of state. Yeah, it doesn't run right 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:34.280 up to the border. Yeah. So talking about Arnold and Ruby, so, 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.680 like I said, they lived in Lake Andies as much 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.160 as I can tell, and I'll be honest in that 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.720 I do not know if they were members of the 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.760 tribe or simply residents of the town. I've never really 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.080 seen a whole lot said to that. It's sorry to 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.120 tell about their pictures and their names, but you know, 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.600 I mean a lot of Indians have just regular, ordinary 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.880 white sounding names, and and frankly, I they look kind 0:03:56.880 --> 0:04:00.040 of white, especially at Archie Arnold Arnold, it's Arnold, And 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.080 I made that mistake more than once. And yeah, and 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.600 it's hard to say. And I while it does make 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.600 a bit of a difference at one point in her story, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.120 it doesn't make a whole lot of difference who worried 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.360 about it. But there are a lot of white settlers 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.800 in that area, so they're probably just white folks. Yeah, 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.919 I don't know. Again, I'm not going to make a 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:22.120 guess because I just I can't tell, and it's not 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:26.400 relevant to the mystery itself so much so. The mystery 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:31.839 itself is that on the night of December twelve, Arnold 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.039 and Ruby and Ruby's cousin, who was seventeen at the time. 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.680 Her name was Tracy Dion, they were driving in the area. 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.680 They were just south of Lake Andy's and Arnold was driving, 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.520 and I believe that Ruby was in the passenger seat, 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:53.159 which puts Tracy in the and what happens is they're 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.000 they're driving in the area. Oh, it should mention that 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.240 it's late at night apparently, and they had been out 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.240 doing a little bit of drinking because they were all 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.200 under age. Um, and Tracy is the one who later 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:07.120 admitted that they had been they'd gone out and I 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:08.719 don't know how much they'd had to drink, but they've 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.719 been drinking. My understanding, there are kind of like three 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.560 things to do in that area when you're that age 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:17.839 and drink whiskey and what I was going to say, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:23.159 it's drink smoke and have sex. Just driving around the countryside. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:28.520 That's been a teenager. Yeah, so yeah, they were. They 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:32.680 were traveling north on Avenue, correct, correct, So so yeah, 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.400 so that's that's perfect because they're heading north on three 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:42.400 third Avenue. Eighty third Avenue intersects US Highway eighteen and 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.719 it's a T junction, so that means three three ends 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.280 because the highway is going east to west at that point. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.600 And according to Tracy, it was icy out and when 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.840 they pulled up to the intersection, Arnold said there were 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.640 no cars coming and then the next thing she knew, 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.440 the car was upside down according and so this is 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.480 her statement that you see all over the internet. So 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:07.599 I'll go ahead and read it because it kind of 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.919 helps illustrate a little bit of what happened in the car. Says, 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.520 I was upside down on the ditch and Ruby and 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.159 I was in the car. You know, Arnold wasn't in 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.840 the car. I don't know where he was. Ruby was crying. 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.520 She was saying, oh my god, oh my god. She 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.320 just kept hitting the car. The next thing I know, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:26.800 the door it was open a little ways and she 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.000 had enough room to then slide out and then so 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.080 I was going to reach over and then just like that, 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.680 the door went shut. So that's her statement of what 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:41.200 she remembers immediately after the crash. At this point, apparently 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.520 Tracy is the only one in the car, and I'm 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.480 guessing must not have been able to free herself from 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.719 the car based on the events that are about to happen. Eventually, 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:54.600 somebody does come by and sees the car and helps 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:58.320 her out. It's at that point that she realizes that 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:03.599 Arnold and Ruby are nowhere to be found. They should 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.000 have been there and they aren't. And I don't know 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.880 how much time passed between Ruby getting out of the 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.400 car and help rite. I had never found that out 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.160 of either. I never did, I would assume given that 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.679 she didn't say, And I was stuck in that car 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.840 for you know, what must have been hours without so 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:22.640 it doesn't sound like that long, because it seems like 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.720 she would have mentioned it was weird that they w 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.400 weren't coming back and helping me out. That would be 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.000 part of the lore if it seemed like it was 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.520 a significant amount of time. But that's just my own 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:35.560 interpretation of it. Yeah, and I and I don't know 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.680 how heavily traffic that's I should have done, Like in 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:40.640 looked up traffic counts on Highway eight team, which is 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.040 what they were right off the side of. But it's 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:48.080 it's it's really though on the south side of the lake, 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:49.800 So you would think they'd be a fair amount of 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.080 traffic on it. Now, depending on the time of night, 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:55.760 it may not be that much traffic. But that's a 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.960 good point. But yeah, obviously, no surprise. The local sheriff's 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.080 department gets in all then they come out to the 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.960 scene to figure out what's going on. The next morning, 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.480 they walk up and down the road. They're looking around 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.280 that area trying to find Arnold and Ruby. The thinking 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.720 at the time was that they in a state of 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.280 shock and probably helped with a little bit of booze. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.840 They decided that the best course of action was to 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.880 just flee the scene so that they didn't get in 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:31.480 trouble for drinking illegally, and after which they succumbed to 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:36.720 the cold. Because it's December twelve, it's in South Dakota 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:42.160 that year. At that time, the temperatures plus or minus 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:48.000 were in the single digits, so it is brigging cold. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.160 But but they didn't find any sign of a couple, 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:53.840 and just as a sign of how cold it was, 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.120 apparently when you read the descriptions, it's the car came 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:01.120 to rest in a ditch on the ice. The ice 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.160 was thick enough to support the weight of the vehicle, 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:09.160 so that that's just in indicator of how how fen solid. Absolutely, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.040 although the I'm not sure which dish, because there's a 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.520 ditch and there's a swale. The ditch is very shallow 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.160 and then the swale is deeper. The swale drains into 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.080 the legs. One of the big questions this whole thing 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.120 is exactly where where it is, and we're going to 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:25.840 get into that when we get into a little more 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.480 of the details later on. Here. They not take pictures. 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.240 I can't find any pictures. No. The oly, Okay, this 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.560 is what's infuriating. I love that this was on Unsolved Mysteries. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.600 I hate that this was on Unsolved Mysteries. All of 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:42.280 the photos are from the recreation. I think, oh, look, 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:46.240 that's a no, no, that's totally That might as well 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:48.560 be Robert Stack in the background right there, because that's 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.520 what you know that there's websites out there. They're talking 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.480 about this very one and they had those photos on 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:57.240 there as a real Oh yeah, those are the real photos. 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:01.280 So we run into that a lot with that show. Yeah, 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.160 it's it's the it's the it's the the beauty and 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.040 the pain all at the same time. Okay, their car 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.920 was supported by ice. There was no sign of them anywhere, 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.400 no sign of them at all, according to the reporting 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.960 the local law enforcement. They keep looking for them and 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.640 was there. Sorry to interrupt, but is this a stretch 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.760 of road that's pretty barren of people or their houses 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.840 or there's not a whole lot of houses r out there. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:29.360 It's farms and fields. A couple of miles away is town. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.559 They worked very far away from the town. Back to 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.480 the town was not even a couple of miles away. 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.720 It's like, you know, I think the kind of sheriff's office, 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.280 which is in Lake Andy'es is like six tenths of 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.679 a mile to the west of where they crashed. Something 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.760 like that. It's what it really easy for them to watch. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.880 So it's not as if they could have wandered away 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.520 and not found some place to seek shelter. And that's 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.040 what everybody's thinking is that they wandered away, they sought 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:57.559 shelters somewhere, and now they're hiding and eventually they're gonna 0:10:57.640 --> 0:11:01.439 come forward, and we're looking for or Um. But there 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.760 there was no sign of them. And when the sheriff's 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.480 department was looking around there all of the stuff that 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.520 I've read, they said they didn't see any signs of 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.400 where the ice had been broken to indicate somebody had 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.200 fallen through. None of that is is present. So it's 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:26.719 it's literally, as my wife would say, poof they disappeared. Basically, 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.720 maybe that's what happened. Yeah, but but so okay, so 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.120 let's now let's talk about the whole thing that you 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.040 were saying with the swales and the ditches. So for geography, 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.800 for anybody who isn't looking at a map, like we said, 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.679 Highway eighteen runs east west, three eighty third runs north 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:49.120 south and tease into the highway. That's what it looks like. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:55.040 On the east side of the of three third, there's 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.920 really just not much there. It's not much of a 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.720 dip at all. On the west side, so this is 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.359 south of eighteen. Between eighteen and three and e third 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:11.679 there is a swale or what did you call it. Yeah, 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.840 so it's not really a ditch. It's with a bunch 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.200 of stuff growing in it, but it looks like it 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.960 could be at its deepest point maybe four or five 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.960 ft deep, but that's way off. It hard to tell 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.199 because of all the vegetable men are growing. But then 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.199 it gets deeper as it goes north. Then it goes 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.559 underneath Highway eight team. So there there is a culvert 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.880 s it's a culvert or a mini bridge something, which 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.120 by the way, it looks like according to the I 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.720 love going through the maps and going through the history, 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.200 and you can see back in I think it was 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.680 the early two thousands they redid that culvert because it's 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.560 captured on the satellite view. But there's a culvert because 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:52.800 Lake Andy's is several hundred feet north of the highway. 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.600 It's right there, and when the water level gets high, 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.720 it will back up to that culvert and filled swale. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.839 And this north of high of the highway itself is 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.080 a walking trail, which Joe has helped me understand, used 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.240 to apparently be an old railroad track, used to be 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:14.040 right away for railroad. And and that's got a footbridge 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:18.400 that crosses over that inlet that goes and swale. So 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:23.480 the north side, the north west side, from that junction 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.960 of the two roads is where it starts to get deep. 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:31.600 But I don't know if when they were looking for him, 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.840 whether they walked out onto the ice or for fear 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.079 of falling in they just did it from the bank, 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.520 but from the intersection itself, And we don't know where 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.839 the car was right, We don't know exactly where the car. 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.600 I'm going, Okay, I'm going to make a giant presumption 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.520 and say that they flipped just off of the north 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.400 side of that intersection. That's an easy thing to say. 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.520 So they were in the swale, is what we're saying. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.559 The car was another car would have been the east 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.959 of the sale would be well, know what I'm saying, 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:07.840 or the ditch in between the walking trail and the 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.120 road is where I'm saying it w Yeah that's is 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.120 that what you're saying? Yeah? Okay, okay, the same thing. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.280 But yeah, and so in between to the north of eighteen. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.760 This is getting confusing, But there is a shallow, very shallow, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:21.960 shallow ditch parallel to the road, and then and then 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.200 it right angles is the swale. So again it's confusing 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.040 as to look at the area. Yeah, I mean really 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:35.480 and three eighty third Avenue South Dakota Lake, Andy's you'll 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.560 zoom right into it and you can't get it. Yeah, 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.480 I guess I For me, I'm just continuing to assume 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.160 that it was the swale or something deeper because there 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.360 was the prevention of being able to get out of 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.080 the car, is I guess my assumption. But if they 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.680 flipped the car, they guessing they didn't have a new car, 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.320 probably a little bit of crumpling going on. I mean, 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:57.160 you've been in a car accident. It's hard to open 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:01.000 the door sometimes and I'm guessing here, but I don't 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.360 know what I do I have to guess is that 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.120 because of the fact that the lake the water level 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.800 can rise. I'm guessing that the ice from the water 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.360 from the lake had backed up and that whole area 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:16.560 there was frozen at that point. So at this point 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.520 we've got to missing people, missing young people just poof 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.760 into thin air, into thin air the aliens. Yep. So 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:28.120 the deputies, they've they've wandered up and down this chunk 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:31.840 of roads several times. The sheriff at the time said 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:35.040 he had been up and down at multiple times and 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:36.840 they didn't find anything. That's the other thing I never 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.120 found in the story was they never found any footprints. 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:44.120 Did there nothing? No? No, I don't believe that it 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.000 was I think that it was frozen, but I don't 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.040 believe it was snowing. But there's nothing to say that 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.480 they saw footprints. But then again, if it is five 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.240 degrees and it's not snowing, that snow may likely have 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.840 frozen solid, which wouldn't leave you a whole lot of footprints. 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.920 Walking on ice doesn't leave a whole lot of footprints either. Well, 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:05.640 is that yeah, So maybe they were on ice the 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.400 whole time. Maybe they didn't walk on the snow or 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.480 maybe the wind just blew the snow around. I don't know, 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.640 but yeah, I really this is this is this is 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:14.840 the kind of story that I really dig and I 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:19.520 really despise because there's so many oh like it's not there. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.160 I don't know, I can't tell you. But we've got 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.600 these two people. They've seemed to have just evaporated into 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:30.880 thin air. And that's that's basically the end of the 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:35.640 story for about three months. Because then if we fast 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:42.240 forward to March of someone driving along Highway eighteen near 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:47.000 that intersection of three third Avenue saw what they thought 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.400 might have been somebody in the ditch, and they called 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:54.880 the police. Local Sheriff's department came out and lo and behold, 0:16:54.920 --> 0:17:01.480 they discovered Ruby's decomposing body in the ditch or swale, 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.080 whichever it was. I don't know which it was. But 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:06.600 the point is is that because it had been warming 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:11.080 up its March, she was decomposing. Her body was not 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.879 in good shape. She was about seventy five to a 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:18.240 hundred feet away from the scene of the accident. That 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:24.080 equates tots. She was on the just up off of 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.639 the edge in the so still in the water is 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.920 what I understand, figuring that you know, Arnold's got to 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:35.400 be close by. They start searching that area, and one 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.880 of the things that I don't quite understand is they decided, well, 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.560 he's not anywhere that we can see, so we're going 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.200 to pump the water out. And I don't know how 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.520 they could have done that if it was the the 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.520 outlet that went into the lake. That's why I still 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.199 have a question of exactly where they went in. But 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.840 they pumped water out of whether it was the swale 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.880 or the ditch they got water out? How How how 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.919 deep did we say the ditch was? We don't know 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.320 for sure because I can't tell. I'm guessing that the 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.800 one that does on the south side is maybe five 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:09.760 ft deep. That's a gas deep. As you get towards 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:12.280 the let, it gets deeper. If you go on Google 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:15.639 Maps or some great photos that are actually GEO tagged 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.879 to that location, they give a little more information and 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.159 the water is higher than I'm just thinking about the 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.280 weirdness about to talk about. I got you, I got you. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.720 They pump out the water lo and behold, they find 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:32.720 Arnold's body. He is less than twenty feet away from her. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:39.560 He is in relatively good condition, except well, his body 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.080 was in good condition other than the fact that it 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:47.359 was no longer alive. Thank you for that clarification. Um 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.080 And I see a lot of people call this out, 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.399 and I'm not surprised by that because if he is 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.520 and the thing you also see called that is that 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.359 he wasn't frozen to the ground. But if he was 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:00.760 suspended in water, that makes sense. It also makes sense 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.760 why he was so well preserved. If he's in freezing 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:07.560 cold water, why his body would not yet have started 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:13.880 to really decompose, unlike rubies at me, I'm not rolling 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.840 my eyes. I just think I kind of agree with 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:21.320 the whole idea of his body being perfectly suspended in 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.439 you know, what's likely less than the height of his body, 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.520 this amount of water, that he's just somehow floating in 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.919 the middle of this, not touching the ground, but not 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:34.320 so high that they could have found him before. And 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.120 just like that to me poses a really big problem 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.240 because they searched the area pretty well. They did. If 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.800 if he had been in there, I mean, presumably it 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.720 was frozen solid. We've been in there, they should have 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:48.560 been able to see. But we'll talk about that in 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.600 a minute. Now, there's all sorts of possibilities. I mean, 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.000 I think that maybe that's better for the theories. I 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:57.920 don't know. Yeah, yeah, let's let's hold on because there's 0:19:57.920 --> 0:19:59.800 there's a few more because we're about to go into 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.280 some weirdo Ville stuff here, which is going to be 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.760 fun times, because it seems like an open and shut 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.440 case of well, they they went into the ice, and 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:12.359 they went into the water, and that's why nobody could 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:16.879 find him. It's it seems on the outside, very very easily, 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:21.159 that's the answer, except that there are things that didn't 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.960 work when or didn't match up. When they were got 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.160 there and they found her body and they were then 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:31.000 combing the area again, they find a lock of Ruby's 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.320 hair on the side of the road, which they say 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.760 couldn't have been there that whole time. I don't understand 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:38.960 why it couldn't have come off of her body once 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.400 it was exposed to the elements, but I'll set that aside. 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.000 You mean that it would have like fallen off her 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.640 body and blown over there, Yes, as in her skin 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:53.560 is decomposing, the hair brakes free and blows away, which 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.800 is kind of gross. I know, it's no, it's true though. Yeah, 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:57.600 that's one of the things that people have said, as 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.760 you say, is that why was it there? But yeah, 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:04.399 it could have been that. So she appeared to be 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.280 wearing the same clothes that she had the night she disappeared, 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:12.359 but her glasses and her shoes are missing, and the 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.480 decomposition of her body was bad enough that they had 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.520 to I d her with a tattoo, So it's not 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:20.840 as if they could tell by her face. If that 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.600 gives you kind of an idea, that's why I'm saying 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:28.080 I could see maybe something breaking frost, But I also 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.080 think that's a significant amount of decomposition for his body 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:36.480 to be like, but he's completely underwater and cold water, 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.840 colder water. I gotta go a tattoo, you know, so 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:44.800 we can identify you. Ye, you know, you should actually 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:52.119 get a tattoo that just says I'm Joe identified as Joe. Um. Okay. 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.040 So so let's move into the other weird other questions, 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.480 into the strange area that we're at here, which is 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.840 it appears there's some questions whether the clothes that Arnold 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:06.320 were was wearing when his body was recovered were the 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:08.560 same ones that he had been wearing on the night 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:13.760 that he had disappeared. The investigators, like I said, I 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:15.840 felt it was weird that he was in good condition. 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:18.280 I disagree with that. But what they also found is 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:23.160 they found keys in his pocket, which they say they 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:28.439 couldn't match up or confirm belonged to him. I'm making 0:22:28.480 --> 0:22:33.440 a giant, giant assumption here that they say that because 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:37.400 it was two a car key and two house keys. 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.000 And I'm assuming what they're saying is that they took 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:42.639 those keys and they tried it on his house and 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:45.760 his car and it didn't work. But I can't say 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:50.480 that with any certainty. Well, the car situation, but the 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.919 house maybe. I don't know. It's hard. It's hard to 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:55.840