1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Our mentality as seniors about the fourth quarter is we 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: should be up by twenty one so we can give 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: you know, the second string, which was people like Sean 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Taylor and Kellen Winslow and Frank Gore and O those 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: guys the opportunity to get in and get the reps, 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And we did that for 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: every game except two games. 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: That's crazy fact that you just said we're putting our 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: two's in and you said Sean Taylor and Frank Gore, 10 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: Like that's. 11 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: That's just how people That's how deep. 12 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: Was I don't I don't think people actually understand that, 13 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: like that's. 14 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: The twos and threes were future first round picks. Like, 15 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 3: what up, everybody. 16 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: I'm Peanut Tillman and this is the NFL Player's Second 17 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: Act podcast and with me as always as my trustee 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 2: co host Roman. 19 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: I like pineapples, Harbor. This is not pineapples, but thank 20 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: you for it. It is yellow. 21 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 4: But I'm really looking forward to our to our next guest, 22 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 4: Number one. I played with him on the video game 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 4: back in the day with nca A two A. He's 24 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: on my favorite college football team of all time, so 25 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 4: uh and a great NFL player for. 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: One of the greatest. So here we go, peanot go ahead. 27 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: Seventh overall pick in the two thousand and two draft, 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: coming to you from the University of Miami Pro Bowl 29 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: left tackle for the Vikings Ravens Uh and the Dolphins 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion with the Ravens. He's a mental health 31 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: advocate for the NFL players and the c O of 32 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: Let's chat, Ladies and gentlemen, Please welcome to the prod 33 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: ron MCKINNI. 34 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yay. You gotta clip for yourself sometimes too. 35 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: That's hold on, let me hear that. Yeah, against ye. 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: Welcome to the pod. 37 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 5: Bro. 38 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 3: I'm glad we got you a nice share that actually fiss. 39 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: So this is probably the first time we've ever had 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: to move the share because this is a large human 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: being and we had like a little little prop baby baby. 42 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 5: My wardrobe or something, that little chair I was sitting there. 43 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we like it. 44 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 4: We literally I'm just saying you sprawled out, You're like, 45 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 4: you look like this chair fits you way more than 46 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 4: the chair we had previously. My first question to you, 47 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 4: this is completely off the top, and I just thought 48 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 4: about it when I just saw you sit down. What 49 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 4: side shoe you wear because I got pretty big size feet. 50 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, dookie. 51 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: Shooting over eighteen eighteen, we need to find big sides. 52 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: To go to a website called oddball dot com eyeball 53 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: oddball o d d ball dot com and they had 54 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: all the sides to go up to like I think 55 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: at least like nineteen. 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: So when you were younger. I know this because my 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: roommate in college, you didn't just go onto the like, 58 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: hey y'all got these in the twelve, y'all got these 59 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 2: in the fifteen. 60 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say by the time I turned about because 61 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: my side was my age. So when I was about 62 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen, is I wore thirteen or fourteen? So that's 63 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: when I had to start ordering shoes. There was a 64 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: place in Atlanta my mom used to order it from. 65 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: I can't remember the name, but she had the fine 66 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: place to start ordering shoes by the time I was 67 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: in high school. 68 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, my rumor used to be like, hey, y'all got 69 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: anything in the fifteen and y'all got anything just hard 70 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 2: like you didn't have to. 71 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 3: Get to shoes. 72 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 5: It's just like what. 73 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: You got really, whatever shoot they have in. 74 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: The store, that's whatever side you're like that's what you got. 75 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 5: You gotta kind of figure out, Like I guess. 76 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: Your shoe game was. Wow, was it to be that 77 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: big and just take. 78 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: My mom like during like Christmas, my birthday, she would 79 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: like really like trying to load up on stuff. So 80 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: those were the two times a year where I got new, 81 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: like new things. I grew a lot. I mean I grew. 82 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean clearly my shoe SiZ with my age. Yeah, 83 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: I was growing out, growing out, growing everything. So yeah, 84 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: but I mean I feel like she did a decent job. 85 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: And then when I finally got to the Lea, I 86 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: was finding places. I was like searching, so I was 87 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: trying to keep up with everybody. So I would you know, 88 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: I would you my resources and fine places? 89 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: You know. 90 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: This guy has legendary, so y ain't no trying this 91 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: guy's legendary legendary, big sexy. Yes, yes, I want to 92 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 4: know this. How many Hall of Famers are you in? 93 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 3: Do you even know? Like Hall of Fames? Hall of Fames? 94 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: You said that wrong? How many Hall of Fames are 95 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 3: you in? Yes? 96 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm in two, two, well three right now? High school, 97 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: University of Miami and then college. 98 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: When you've become a Hall of famer in anything. What 99 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 4: does that mean to you? 100 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: Kind of means a lot because that wasn't what I 101 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: I played, just to like be good in my position, 102 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: not realizing that it would lead to that. So like 103 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: me playing was like I don't want to get yea 104 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: at in in the film room, you know, so like 105 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: just go ahead and do your job. So when in 106 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: college that consisted of like don't give up beside, you 107 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: don't get yeat that. Like, so my whole thing was 108 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: not getting yelled at embarrassed. So I'm out here like 109 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: trying to do my job from that standpoint, and it 110 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: just turned out that was actually doing really good. I 111 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: was doing probably better than I expected one because I 112 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: didn't start playing football until ninth grade because I was 113 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, back then you had a size and a 114 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: highen age and all that matters. 115 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 3: Like waiting stuff. 116 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so me, if I'm like twelve, I probably supposed 117 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: to playing. People is three years older than me, So 118 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't play until I got the high school, wh 119 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: didn't matter anymore. So and then in high school I 120 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: played defensive end, you know, I had to learn offensive line. 121 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: And when I got there, I went to JUCO and 122 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: learned offensive line there. So I was just playing to 123 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: just not be in trouble, Like I don't want to 124 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: hear nobody's mouths. Just go out here, do what you 125 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: tell me to do. 126 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: And so you like a mean like a killer, like 127 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: because if you start that lag, like a blind side 128 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 2: would like. 129 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. 130 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: I was always competitive though, so it's like if I 131 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: did something, I wanted to be good at it. Yeah, 132 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: even I played tennis now, and the first time I 133 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,679 Speaker 1: started playing tennis, I was terrible. I went and got lessons, 134 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: didn't tell anybody, and the next year I came back 135 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: and they expected me to be yeah, and it was like, wait, 136 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: what happened. I'm like, ah, yeah, I was playing My tennis. 137 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: Lessons carried over so much that like my team knew. 138 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: So even when I went to the Super Bowl with 139 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: the Ravens, coach Harball made me bring my tennis equipment 140 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: and I had to play on Thursdays. I always played 141 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: on Thursdays. After I would eat dinner, I would go play, 142 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: take a tennis lesson and weighing on Friday. So he 143 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: made me do the same thing super Bowl. We had 144 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: to bring my racket and everything, and his assistant at 145 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: the time played tennis in high school and I had 146 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: to play him. He reported it made an announcement before 147 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: we played, and he had to come back to day 148 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: the next day and announced that I had to be 149 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: his assistant. 150 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 5: Six thirty six to two. He under estimated me. 151 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: I think because you know, people I feel like when 152 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: they just see me, I do walk like real authority 153 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: against things and all of a sudden. But it's like 154 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: once you get on the court or a feel you 155 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: can you turn into an athlete, you know. I think 156 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: people just trying to take that for granted mentally, and 157 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: then it's too late. While you were playing, it's too 158 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: late for you to come in mentally regroup because I'm 159 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: attacking you. 160 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 5: I just never have a game plan, so it was 161 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 5: just too late. 162 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 3: See you remind me like a Yoda. 163 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: So when I look at everyone, look at everyone looks 164 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: at Yoda, and it's like, all this. 165 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 3: Little old Jedi he got the king. But when he 166 00:06:58,920 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: found when. 167 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: He had to fight or whoever he was doing flips 168 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: off the wall being count. 169 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he had to fight Count, do coup. 170 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, all that big b was a tennis game. 171 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I play every Friday. I have ts have the 172 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: men's clinic, got playing somewhere. I play every Friday, yeah 173 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: for sure. And then I playing the men's clinic on 174 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: Wednesdays and sometimes Saurday mornings. 175 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: So how hard? How fast is the ball going? You 176 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: ever tracked it? 177 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: No, I haven't got a chance that I want to 178 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: because I haven't got a chance to do that. I 179 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: want to track like my serve and certain things. 180 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's your best part of your game? 181 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: My tennis i Q has grown, So I'm gonna say that, 182 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: so knowing when I get pulled off the court to 183 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: hit higher cross court, they buy me more time to 184 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: get back into the court. 185 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 186 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: And then so I'm gonna say my tennis i Q 187 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: but my forehand is is powerful. And then I've started 188 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: learning how to slice, and believe it or not, I 189 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: didn't like the net, but I'm now forcing myself to 190 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: go up to the net more. But I know when 191 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: to go to the net now. So it's a shortball, 192 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: you know, hit the short ball and continue to proceed 193 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: to the net. 194 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 4: Hey see, see, bench Sheldon, that's your dad's trying to 195 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 4: get you to do more, trying. 196 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 5: To get you to go to. 197 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 4: The net more play more than eighty style tennis. Yeah, 198 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 4: it's what they're talking about. 199 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: It can end the point quicker too, Yes, yeah, So 200 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to be in too many long rallies 201 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: all the time. So I'm gonna try to do things 202 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: to get to the net and kind of end the point. 203 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: People think like long rallies are normal, Like the pros 204 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: don't even have a lot of long rallies. 205 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 5: You don't do it. 206 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, you know Venus is the person if you're 207 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: on YouTube. She gave me my first lesson. Yeah, so 208 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: that's how I got into tennis. 209 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 3: But I will play tennis right now. She gave me 210 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 3: my fresh lesson. 211 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: She's very patient. I feel like she should be a 212 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: coach when she eventually retires. I feel like she should 213 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: be a coach. 214 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: Does she yell at you? He said, you don't want 215 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: to know. 216 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: She's patient, very patient, and she had me out there 217 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: for a long time. But she's very patient. You can 218 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: tell she really loves what she does. 219 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 3: All right, So let's stay on the theme of getting 220 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: yelled at. 221 00:08:54,559 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: Okay, So, so your sophomore year, you're in high school, 222 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: you're playing football, right. 223 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: Something happens. 224 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's hot, you tired, you sweat, and then 225 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 2: you get into it with your coach. 226 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 3: Words are exchanged. 227 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 2: I'm sure he probably yelled at you and you might 228 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: have maybe missile assignment or didn't do something right and 229 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: you end up not playing football for the rest of 230 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 2: that year. What was said with you and your coach. 231 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: I don't even remember what was that probably blocked it out. 232 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: I don't remember what was said. I ended up going 233 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: into the band and taking trips with. 234 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: Them because we feel that most of the time when 235 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: like we talked about fights and training camp, right, it 236 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: was like, oh, they just hot. 237 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: They I don't know, I don't remember what it was. 238 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if maybe I just practiced something, but 239 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: it was just something that was just like, h So you. 240 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 3: Just decided, you know, I'm just gonna go do the same. 241 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 3: I'm just going. 242 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 5: The band. 243 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 1: I went on trips. They was going on trips and 244 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: stuff like while you were in school and so on. 245 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna join the band. 246 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 3: So that's why you did it. 247 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 5: But I also was in the music too. 248 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: I was a message to so like at a young age, 249 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: buying my mom had got me like Cassie a piano, 250 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: So I was like trying to make beats on air 251 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: and then took piano lessons at a young age and 252 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: just did things. I was like into music, getting like 253 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: CDs or cassette tapes and trying to pick out what 254 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: song I felt it would be the next two singles, 255 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: like I was already trying to be an or not 256 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: realizing what I was doing at a young age, and 257 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: I was already and or as a person who kind 258 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: of puts together like the project for the artist and 259 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: like a pick who the single maybe or that pick 260 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: like the songs that will make it on the album, 261 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: or also like the collaborations they work with. 262 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: I mean, now, did you know how to play the 263 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: bass when he was in the band, because I couldn't 264 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: pitch it very easy, like you. 265 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: Just this all day? 266 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: Its drum. Yeah, So it was just nothing like you know, 267 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: just the base of the beast that was easy. 268 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: Were you by far the biggest band member? 269 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: Definitely was the biggest customized jersey Jackie everything. 270 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 5: He had to find some stuff to fit. 271 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 4: Knowing that you couldn't play football until high school because 272 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:56,119 Speaker 4: of the size. 273 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 3: Restrictions and everything that you had growing up. 274 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 4: How would you say that in impacted your football experience. 275 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: I was learning everything for the first time for the 276 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean I watched it on TV, but like technically 277 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: I was learning everything for the first time. In ninth grade, 278 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: I wrestled. My mom put me in wrestling first to 279 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 1: teach discipline, and then I moved on to basketball afterwards 280 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: to learn to work with others. That was her thought 281 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: process behind it. And then when I finally got the football, 282 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: it was just technique and IQ is what I really 283 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: had to learn, because like I knew the basis of it, 284 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: but now it's like technique wise, like how to I 285 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: went from being the defensive end to now playing offensive line. 286 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: So for me, it kind of worked on my favorite 287 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: because I knew what I would do as a defensive 288 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: end to offensive line and so now it's like, Okay, 289 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: now I have to kind of stop or you know, 290 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: I can already think like they think. So it kind 291 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: of helped me out a little bit. And then when 292 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: I got the Juco, the guy was a Juco All American, 293 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: and so it was like he made me better because 294 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: he was tearing me up the first couple week like 295 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 1: she because he was there was his second year is 296 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: my first, and I'm moving over. I'm only like two, 297 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: like two forty two forty five coming in. He outweighs 298 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: me by like twenty pounds. He's like two sixty. I 299 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: didn't really lift weights much like that until I got 300 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: to college, so I'm still developed. Seventeen when I first 301 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: got there, and turned eighteen till that September, so I'm 302 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: still developing. And then it just the light bulbs just 303 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: went off one day. 304 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 2: You walk away from the team your sophomore year, and 305 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: he can come back the next year and go on 306 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: to it your senior year, get a scholarship, you go 307 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: to a juco. 308 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: But this is how it happened. So I went to 309 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: a small school graduate probably like eighty nine ninety. Some 310 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: of the people there was somebody. There was a running 311 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: back named Lamara's third event who was really good. He 312 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: was behind me. He was a junior. Some Body who 313 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: are still on them to this day mailed in the 314 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: tape to the University of Iowa and was like, oh, 315 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: you gotta look at this kid. And they would all about 316 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: Lamar and they seen the tape, they said, who is that? 317 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: And they seen me staying there like six six or whatever, 318 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: Oh who is this? So then they came to see 319 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: him and then they're like, we also want to talk 320 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: to him as well. And it was after National Signing Day. 321 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: They said, we don't have any more scholarships, but we 322 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: have a community a communication with Lackawanna Junior College and Scranton, 323 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: which was only two and a half hours away from 324 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: me in South Jersey, and they said, we can send 325 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: you there and then you'll learn how to play left 326 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: tackle and then you'll come to Hioway. So I was like, okay, 327 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: just further my education, not really looking at it because 328 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 1: nobody really went to the pros during that period of 329 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: time from my area. Somebody did, like in eighty three, 330 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: but like it was like ninety seven or so, like 331 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: forever moved. I'm gonna just go just continue my education. 332 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: And I played football like I like playing football. I 333 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: just continue to play football. Didn't have high expectations. I 334 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: went and then once again, I don't like to get 335 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: yell at, So teach. 336 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 5: Me what I got to. 337 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna just focus on that. So I went 338 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: there actually my first season and I became a jue 339 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: call American after that first year of learning how to 340 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: play left tackle. But I told you the guy went 341 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: against every day. He was a juke call American. So 342 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: it was like, I'm eventually learning how to block this 343 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: man every day in practice. It had no choice but 344 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: that making me better, you know what I mean. So 345 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: he played a big part on developing me in that position. 346 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: And then what was his name? His name was Nate Russ. 347 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: He ended up getting a scholarship to University of Maryland 348 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: for football and baseball, and I felt like he's stuck 349 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: over with baseball. So then after that season, Hayden Fry 350 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: was the head coach at University I where he retired. 351 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: So I had a letter intense. I couldn't talk to nobody. 352 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: Nobody could talk to me. But now he retired, everybody 353 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: could talk to me. Now I just became a ju 354 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: CA All American. So now all these schools can send 355 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: letters and now communicate. So now going to my second 356 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: year and I kind of finished again as a jue 357 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: car All American, and then Miami University. Miami just showed 358 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: up one day and I heard like guys talking like, oh, 359 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: is the guy from Miami here? A guy Fromimi, but 360 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: we don't know he's here to see like, we don't 361 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: know he's here because there's other There was a couple 362 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: of other guys on my team who went to like 363 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: West Virginia Ruckers, and there were good players too, so 364 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: we didn't know who he was here for. And then 365 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: they called me out of class. Semifouve hours for me. 366 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 5: So r Keyho. 367 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: Was a guy who came and he was full of energy. 368 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: And he's the one who came and talked to me 369 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: in the office and ended up taking a visit to 370 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: Miami and end up coming to Miami. 371 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: Okay, So first of all, what's it like in scrant 372 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 4: and scran Pa, Because like, but I always. 373 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 5: Heard like a TV show called The Office or something. 374 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 5: It's like what we all. 375 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: Do about it from sleepy there and in the office. 376 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: This is like what we know about scran Pa. 377 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: It's a lot of hills, it gets cold. It's a 378 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: lot of hills like coal mines and things like that 379 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: up there. 380 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 5: I don't know. It's just a small town. 381 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, very small town, that's what they said. Yeah, 382 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: and tell me this. 383 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 4: So when you go on your visit, because you've probably 384 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: only been the East Coast, that's what it sounds like. 385 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 3: And then you go down to Miami. 386 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: I came to Miami on the visit. Miami is a 387 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: totally different culture where you come from up North and 388 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: down here. It's like, first of all, the clubs are 389 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: open till five o'clock. I'm like, what, So it's like, 390 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, northern things closing too. 391 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 5: Down here. 392 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: It's like you're taking you on a visit. They have 393 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: they want to keep you out to five. I'm like, 394 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: then you got to be up the next morning to 395 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: walk around camps at nine ams, not to have this 396 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: camp for the next day. I didn't even go out 397 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: the second night because I was so tired. So the 398 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: first night I did hang out with everybody till about 399 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: five or six, and then it's like had to be up, 400 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: walk across campus, go to dinners and everything. Secondary They're like, 401 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: come on, you ready to go out, and I know 402 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: they're happy because they got their PRODM to take me on. 403 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: And it's like, just keep it. I'm staying there, going 404 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: to bed. But I mean, I had a great experience here. 405 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: What's funny is I actually had a real good experience 406 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: of Arkansas. So it came down to Arkansas in Miami somehow. 407 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: But Houston UT was out there. Yeah, And I just 408 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: had a great experience there. And then also my officer 409 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: coordinated the JUCO he went there too, so I feel 410 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: like he was like saying little things to me too. 411 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 5: But I had a good time Miami. 412 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: I just remember like kind of getting under the weather 413 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: from like not sleeping too much and then like the 414 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: weather change and things like that. 415 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 5: But I liked the overall. 416 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: Like my mom started to realize it, like remind me, 417 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: like who I went here, and I'm like, oh, they 418 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: I want to Miami. So that played a part to 419 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: me my decision. And then coach Keijo wasn't let up. 420 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: And then my my whole family basically was like are 421 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: you crazy? Like you got Arkansas, Like you know what 422 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 1: I mean? Said everybody don't mean I'm crazy, and even 423 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: my head coach. And then I'm glad I made the 424 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: decision I made, of course, so I ain't up in Miami. 425 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 3: I think you made the right choice. I've said it. 426 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: DJ Williams has said it, Jonathan Willman said it, Greg 427 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: Olson has said it, Shannon Sharp has said it. The 428 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: two thousand and one Miami Hurricanes it's probably the greatest 429 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: college football team ever as symbol Yeah, what was practice? 430 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: Like what was the locker room? 431 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 5: Like? 432 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 2: What was just I'm asking like eight questions in one, 433 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: but like what was what was practice? 434 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: Like? 435 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 3: Going against? It was first round picks on offense? Defense? 436 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 3: Did you realize how good you guys were? Oh, you 437 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: guys are just playing. 438 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 5: I think that. I think I. 439 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: Don't think we realized how good Like looking back, like, 440 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: oh we had all these guys on the team. No, 441 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: but I feel like everybody thought they were like the 442 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: best at their position. And I remember even coming up 443 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: to like my senior year, there was like a you 444 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: got like a full spread if you were like they 445 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: would do like by position, and like the number one 446 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: would get like a full spread, and then everybody's like 447 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: two through five would get like little boxes. And I 448 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: remember the DB's and O line they got the full spread, 449 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: and like the linebackers got like a little box. 450 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 5: And that was like a joke. 451 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: That was a joke, you know with everybody, like y'all 452 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: got the little box. But like everybody was so competitive 453 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: and felt like, you know, when we went out to 454 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: the practice every day that you were going against the best, 455 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 1: you know, each week, I mean every day of practice. 456 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: So when you got to a game, it should be 457 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: a little easier. I feel like we used the weather 458 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: to our advantage too, you know, staying hydrated and going 459 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: out here, and we practiced at like, you know, two pm. 460 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: We didn't have no indoor facility, you know that people 461 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: have now. The only time we came up the field, 462 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: it was a lightning storm and were come on the field. 463 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: Other than that, it is a rain and we're still 464 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: out there. We got to play in all these conditions anyway, 465 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: So I think that kind of built character and character 466 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: for us too. And I remember, like a lot of 467 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: times we said, you know, by the fourth quarter. Our 468 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: mentality as seniors was a boy the fourth quarter is 469 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: we should be up by twenty one so we can 470 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: give you know, the second string, which was people like 471 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: Sean Taylor and Kellen Winslow and Frank goreon know, those 472 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: guys the opportunity to get in and get some reps, 473 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And we did that for 474 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: every game except two games. 475 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 2: That's crazy fact that you just said we're putting our 476 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: two's in and you said Sean Taylor and Frank Gore, 477 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: like that's that's just how That's how was I don't 478 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: I don't think people actually understand that, like that's the 479 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: twos and threes were future first round picks, like that's. 480 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 2: I remember watching that season. I also in college to 481 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't have that many first round picks 482 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 2: on my team. 483 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 3: But you know, they was them behalftime eight. 484 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 2: So you was, you was a team that got up 485 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: at like thirty forty points in the second quarter and 486 00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: y'all put y'all twos in. 487 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was sold in the game to 488 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 3: let them try to get a tackle. 489 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 5: I was. 490 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 2: I was still out there trying to get out the game, 491 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: just like damn, I ain't no telling what they did. 492 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: What do you think they would beat us? Oh my god, 493 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 2: they would have been bad. 494 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 4: Pe know went to ul Lafayette, the University of Louisiana, 495 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 4: thank some respect, you know. 496 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: I mean it has some bathers and Ike Taylor were 497 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: out there, but I don't think it was anybody else. 498 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, y'all would have beat them by 499 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 4: damn fifty. 500 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 3: We're going to take a short break and we'll be 501 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 3: back in a minute. 502 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 4: I know you've heard of this stat but I'd like 503 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 4: to get this on tape because I want to hear 504 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 4: your mindset all right. Brian McKinney is the last offensive 505 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: lineman to have ever made the top ten in Heisman 506 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 4: voting twenty twenty two thousand and one is when this happened? 507 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 3: How do you make? How do when you hear that? 508 00:20:58,720 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: Are you shocked? 509 00:20:59,520 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 5: Are you? 510 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: I definitely was surprised. Yeah, just can you imagine? Like 511 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: why was you or when. 512 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 5: They told me? 513 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: They told me after I was voting, because you know, 514 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: they only announced like the top five. So like our 515 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: media guy had told me, like I guess that Tuesday 516 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: was like, hey, you finished in the top saying I 517 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: was like what, Like I'm tellinghim what it was like then, 518 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: and I'm like, are you seriously? Like yes, people even 519 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: gave you first place vote and I was just like 520 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: that's crazy, Like I don't know. I just didn't expect 521 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: that at all, and I did. I was aware that 522 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: Orlando Pace was the person prior to me, so I 523 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: watched him a lot. Coach Kill just have me watch 524 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: him a lot on film, so I would try to 525 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: mimic the things that he see and he was kind 526 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: of like, you know, I would say, like somebody like 527 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: the rabbit, the person that you kind of Chase, and 528 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: he was that for me. So I was like, Okay, 529 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: in his career, he only give him one sack, so 530 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: I can only give up one or none, like you 531 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that was always my thing. 532 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: It's like, okay to be like him. You can either 533 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: give up the one at the most or just none 534 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: at all. 535 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: So do you remember having to block somebody in colle 536 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 4: that was like, Okay, this guy is a little bit 537 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 4: of a problem. 538 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, the wife framing. 539 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 3: Really he was that what Syracuse right, Syracuse's spinning. 540 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 5: Yes he was. 541 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: I feel like he introduced the spin to the league 542 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: because you know, all of a sudden he got a 543 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: leading the right spinning now. But yeah, So the thing 544 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: was our junior year, maybe he was injured or something, 545 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: cause he played up there in Syracuse. 546 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 5: I didn't go against him. I maybe he was injured. 547 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 5: I recalled. 548 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: But my senior year it was like a big deal, 549 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: Like they posted like these articles. He had like a 550 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: like a sack like a Santa Claus sack, but you 551 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: could see throw and had all the hammels of the 552 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: teams that he sacked before and things like that. 553 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 5: Just all week long. Clinton Ports was just in my 554 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 5: ear all week long, like he always be like scared. 555 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: Like he just just whenever I had big games, he 556 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: always just bothered me or whatever. But we prepared well. 557 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: And then also who helped me get through that game 558 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: is Mario Christball. He was our assistant GA coach at 559 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: the time, his assistant line coach, and he he stayed 560 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: with me and we watched film, and I was like, 561 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: what is this guy doing? Like is dophensive line making 562 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: a mistake? Is he's just as good? Like you know, 563 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: it's a combination of the boat. I was really just 564 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 1: sitting here just trying to figure out what it is. 565 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: I would watch when he would like to spend. I 566 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: would see what he did when he spends. Sometime he 567 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: would grab cloth, so I knew, keep your distance, don't 568 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: let him get too close into your body, keep him 569 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: use your arms and keep him away from you, and 570 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: keep moving your feet. A lot of guys when he 571 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: would chop hands, it's like for some reason, guys would 572 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: stop their feet and then you know he's going to 573 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: continue to move and he'd get past you. So it 574 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: was like, regardless what happens to your hands, keep your 575 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: feet moving with this guy and I just had like 576 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: a good game plan against him and it worked, but 577 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to get fast. 578 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 5: They wore me out that week. 579 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: You were tire mentally and this is over found. I've 580 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: had Jerome McDougal come over the other side because he 581 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: had a really good get off. Now him get me 582 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: pass versus at the end of practice, just to like 583 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: emulate what he's seeing in Dawhight too. 584 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 3: So I just did know you really were worried about 585 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 3: d wife's. 586 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 5: Frady, Cuz it's all right. 587 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: So my first year, my breakout game was against Florida 588 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: State Jamal Reynolds, who was a great pass rusher as well, 589 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: and I was able to, you know, hold him to 590 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: new sacks and I was just under the radar. That 591 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: was my first like season, nobody was bothering me. But 592 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: then it came to like my second year then like 593 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: he hasn't never given up a sack. 594 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,919 Speaker 5: It's like, oh gosh, why didn't say that, like I 595 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 5: was doing. 596 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 3: For the target on your face. 597 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, so now it's like a big deal. 598 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: I remember even playing Florida State the following year, my 599 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: senior year, and the defense eventually last name was Jackson. 600 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: He must have got a good jump on the ball 601 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: and it looked like he's gonna get close to the 602 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: door seat. I must have just pushed them like by 603 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: like the last minute they were losing the game, but 604 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: the silide rumpted like ah, and I'm looking like what's 605 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: going on, like like what are they cheering for? And 606 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: then they started playing yo, yeah, he's going to get you. 607 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is about me because like the 608 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: game's over for then, like y'all a loser. But oh 609 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: now it's like an individual thing like and that's why 610 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: I really had to wake up and that game say, 611 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: regardless of like what the score is, you still have 612 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that you are on because they're trying 613 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: to win an individual battle at this point at about 614 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: the team now, he's trying to get an individual battle. 615 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: So that's what made me really like really like locking 616 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: for the rest of the season and just realized like, Okay, 617 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: this is bigger than just you know, win or lost 618 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: things like he's trying to like be the first one 619 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: to get a sack. 620 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: So so being a man of your size and your frame, 621 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: do you have a welcome to the NFL moment? 622 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 5: Yeah? 623 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: And what was that? What was that moment I think 624 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: I was. I don't if we was on the road. 625 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: We were on the road, and I was it was 626 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 1: against Green Bay and I couldn't. 627 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was trying to. 628 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: Use my periphew and I went to look and the 629 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: balls was snapping. Somebody rand me like flat over ready. 630 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't ready, And I'm trying to think. I don't 631 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: feel like Gilbert Brown might have been a detact on 632 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: came somewhere like hit me, like somebody like ran me, 633 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: like I went flat backwards, like that was the first time, Like. 634 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 3: He ain't never hit. 635 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm on the ground, like I barely fought so like 636 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: I want a ground, but I'm on my like a 637 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: reverse bandkke. Yeah, that was the moment, like this ain't 638 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: happening again. 639 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: I think my high school prepared me for college. My 640 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: high school with Carvers col of Texas, good football program. 641 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 2: They prepared me for college. When I at the college college, 642 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 2: watching film and doing all, it was somewhat a little easy. 643 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 2: Do you think going to the University of Miami prepared 644 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: you for what the NFL was Like? 645 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: I think it did in Minnesota it did to a 646 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: certain degree because you had guys that came back here. 647 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: Michael Barrow, Jesse Armstead, Edgrid James, Bubba Franks, all those guys, 648 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: they came back and they were training to work out 649 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: with us. So they would tell us about the physical part. 650 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: So you know about the physical part. You knew about 651 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: the hours, the amount of time that you would be there. 652 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: But the part that I missed that I had to 653 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: learn along the way was like far as taking care 654 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: of yourself as cold tub, like we did it in Miami, 655 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: but when people get in the cold tub, getting your 656 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: massages and getting stretched and all those type of things. 657 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: I had the learned, Like I think Randy somebody was like, 658 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm getting massage. I'm like, y'all get the message. You're 659 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: like yeah, but you know when you're young, you're feel 660 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: like I don't need a message, but you do need 661 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: a massage. So being around and just watching people how 662 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: they are pros and Okay, this is what you do, 663 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: and they end up being like the last one to 664 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: start leaving the locker room because they're taking care of 665 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: their body. Because I remember being, you know, a rookie, 666 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: and I'm seeing Dave Dixon, he was a guard. He 667 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: might have been like thirty and I'm only twenty two 668 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at him on Wednesday, like you still limp. 669 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 5: People from what's. 670 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 3: Wednesday? 671 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: But I guess what, I got to be David. And 672 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: that first thing I thought about was, Oh, this is 673 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: how they felt. 674 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 3: On a Wednesday. Like it's funny. 675 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 4: How like you age out, you go from the young 676 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 4: boy in the locker room to the older dude. 677 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 3: How it really does happen like that? Does it happens 678 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: real quick? 679 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 5: I'm gonna take you. 680 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: Another moment that made me realize I was older too, 681 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,239 Speaker 1: is I was in Baltimore. I was in Baltimore and 682 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: it was a player. He was a rookie, and he 683 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I've been watching you since I was ten, 684 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what ten, It's like or fifth grade. 685 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: I was in fifth grade and I'm like, dag, I 686 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: being for twelve years, so he probably was in fifth grade. 687 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: And it's like it's just you don't realize it until 688 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: somebody actually says it, and it's like sheesh, Yeah, I 689 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: start to feel a little. 690 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 3: Oh. 691 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 4: I want to talk to you about two thousand and nine. 692 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 4: That Vikings team was great. You guys had a ton 693 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 4: of Pro bowlers. You Adrian Peterson, I'm pretty sure led 694 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 4: the NFL in rushing that year. 695 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 3: But tough loss in the NFC Championship game. 696 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 4: Could you maybe talk to me about how great that 697 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 4: team was leading up to that game and then at 698 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 4: some point get. 699 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 3: To the interception. 700 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 4: Of course at the end of the game, what kind 701 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 4: of happened because it was a penalty for twelve minute 702 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 4: on the field like right before it was it was 703 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 4: a little bit of a mayhem right there at the end. 704 00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 5: For some reason that game. 705 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: A lot of things went wrong first in that game, 706 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: and that didn't happen all season. That by far was 707 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: the best team that I played with as a Viking. 708 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: That was the best record I had. That was the 709 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: furtherest we ever made it. And a lot of that 710 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: is attribute to Brett Farv When he came in there. 711 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: Everybody kind of rose. They raised the level of their 712 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: game up and their play up because they didn't want 713 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: to let him down, and everybody on both sides of 714 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: the ball. And that's how you know, like certain people 715 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: have that ability to do that. As you can see, 716 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: Tom Brady can leave a team and go somewhere else 717 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: and people raise the same people's there. It's just now 718 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: you add one person that can raise the level up. 719 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: I feel like ray Lewis was able to do that 720 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: too his foumal year in Baltimore too, giving him, you know, 721 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: his farewells that that he wanted adding Brett that year. 722 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: Every I feel like nobody went to let him down 723 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: and then for him to come and actually be a 724 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: cool person, because I feel like the media kind of 725 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: painted him a certain way, like maybe a deven things 726 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: like that, so people weren't sure how to receive him 727 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,479 Speaker 1: until he got in there. He showed his person out 728 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: and showed that he's a team player, and he just 729 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: made it fun. You know, like there was times where, 730 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, coach children, I feel like we were playing 731 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: Detroit were trying to take him out of the game. 732 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: Brett would you know, Brett would change plays a lot 733 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: of times they were work I played in Detroit. Specifically, 734 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: they weren't working that day, and he wanted Tavares Jackson 735 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: to go in and tavarsay as well. If he's not 736 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: coming in, I can't if he's not coming out, I 737 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: can't go in, you know, you know, and then there's 738 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know. It was like an 739 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: argument on the sideline between them and Brett didn't come out, 740 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: and you know, we had his back and we just 741 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: going to do we have to do and we're able 742 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: to pull out of wind stiff. But a lot of 743 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: people played for him, and I feel like just that's 744 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: how it was, and that's how it's going to be 745 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: with certain teams, Like I feel like he was able 746 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: to bring everybody together and make it more family oriented, 747 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: where you had a coach who kind of was called 748 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: on a little division amongst the guys because people weren't 749 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: sure is somebody going up there reporting stuff to the coach. 750 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: And that's why it was like a little division because 751 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: people were feeling like things were being told or not 752 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: sure he's playing mind games with people. So when Brett came, 753 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: all that got canceled out and it was all about 754 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: playing for Bratt. 755 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how you guys are awesome, Like immediately too that. 756 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, because once everybody kind of got the energy and 757 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: the vibe from him, and everybody wants to play, you know, 758 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: well in front of people. That's why I feel like, 759 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: even like for me when I went when I was 760 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: in New York's Miami, you had guys like Michael Irvan 761 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: and warn staff you don't want to look at scrub 762 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: in front of them, so you're gonna play up, you 763 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I feel like that's what people 764 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: were doing when Brett came onto the team. So to 765 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: make it to the NC Championship, that was the furthest 766 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: I've ever made it in my career. I think that 767 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: was like year like eight for me, eight or nine. 768 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: We had like five turnovers in that game. We had 769 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: one of like the two or three yard line going 770 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: in Like it was so many turnovers in that one 771 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: game to only still lose by a field goal, you know, 772 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: and over time and overtime, well, over time was different 773 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: then too. It was like set of the death back 774 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 1: so we didn't even get the possessions like they got 775 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: close so to make a field go and they were 776 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: able to win. They changed it right after that season, 777 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: so they have that many mistakes and let you know, 778 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: to still be in it. Let you know, the team 779 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: was a really good team. It just caught a bad 780 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: break during that period of time. But in my mind, 781 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: I remember we're driving like you know, going this way, 782 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, super. 783 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 5: Bowls in Miami. I can't wait. 784 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: The next thing I know, I'm like, wow, man, I'm 785 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: changing somebody. 786 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: I got off defense. 787 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 5: Every from there like oh gosh. 788 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: And then when they got the ball, I was just 789 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: hoping that they didn't, you know, getting field goal range, 790 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: but then they hit it. 791 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 5: It was like sheesh. 792 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: That was a little depressed after that game because it 793 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: took too long for me to even get to that point. 794 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, that was a tough loss. 795 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 3: Yeah I'm sorry about that. Yeah. 796 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: So this is this show was called the Info Player 797 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 2: Second Acts Podcast, and what we like to do is 798 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: try to dive into what the players are former players 799 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: doing now in their second act. So tell us and 800 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: our viewers and listeners, what you, sir, are doing in 801 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 2: your second my. 802 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: Second act right now. I have a tech company called 803 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: that Chat, So I'm the COO. 804 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 5: So let's chat. 805 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: We do one hundred and four languages with one hundred 806 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: different dialects, and we do it based off your device setting. 807 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: Because we do websites, we can do in person presentation 808 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: like we've done Tony Hawk's podcasts. He had had somebody 809 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: who spoke Portuguese and we did it live and translated 810 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: back and forth so they could conduct the podcast and 811 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: it's in real time. So we even did the NFL 812 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: for three years, so you know, you might want to 813 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,600 Speaker 1: get us back because I see all in Brazil and everywhere. 814 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 5: So we did. 815 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: When the NFL had game Pass, we had did the 816 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: subtitling for their games for like three years, and then 817 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: it changed over to like NFL Plus and then something else. 818 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,479 Speaker 1: Now I don't know what is now. So comcasts. I 819 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: didn't accelerate a program for comcasts. Our company did, and 820 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: they kind of liked our product and they became a shareholder, 821 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: and they're like, we're live on like Exfinity, and then 822 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: we're looking to get like what other companies are on 823 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: the Comcast, like WWE. We learned about the deep fake 824 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: with WWE because we can do that in differentlanguages, Like 825 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: they want to go to different countries and have their 826 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: wrestler speaking their language, so we know how to do 827 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: the deep fake with the language and change the language 828 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: for them and everything. So Dad, PGA, Golf, like those 829 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: are different companies we're trying to work with. Now that's 830 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: under Comcast. We're on like over like six hundred different 831 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: car dealerships right now. Bojangles McDonald's, Bojangles, the CEO Bojangles 832 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: is actually from univers Miami, so that was I was 833 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: able to get us in the door with him. He 834 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: was the former CEO of McDonald's but he left and 835 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: went to become CEO Bojangles. 836 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 5: And I would say the NFL. 837 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: Being an NFL has its its perks, and you're able 838 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: to kind of get a network of people, so when 839 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: you retire, you're able to be able to do business 840 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: with some of these people who you probably wouldn't be 841 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: able to touch prior, you know what I'm saying. So that 842 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: tapped me out a lot too. It's just having that 843 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: network and then being able to reach out to people 844 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: and doing presentations for your product and they understand it 845 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: and they like it and they want to, you know, 846 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 1: bring you on board. So let's shut his own pretty well. 847 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 6: I want also talk about what you're doing with other 848 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 6: NFL players about helping them with their transition from playing 849 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 6: and then getting into or finding there identity in their 850 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 6: second action. 851 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: So oh, I got into the mental health so my 852 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: be major to have the major foundation, right, So we 853 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: specialized in healthy kids, healthy living, single parent homes, mental health, 854 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: and now I'm about to add on financial literacy. That's 855 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: because a lot of kids are being younger and parents 856 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: need to be educated with the NIL deals and just 857 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: different things like that. But right now I'm very focused 858 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: on the mental health part because when I retired, there 859 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: was too other guys who were tired around the same 860 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 1: time as me, and they were having breakdowns as far 861 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: as like you know, getting arrested and baker acting. I 862 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: had to go to a sac wark for one person, 863 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: and they felt more comfortable talking to me than their 864 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: their family. So in the midst of that, I had 865 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: to be kind of the person who kind of navigates, 866 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, between the family, the player and even with 867 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: the league in the NFLPA, how can we get them help. 868 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: I knew they were sending guys away for like thirty days, 869 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: like somewhere in like Detroit and somewhere like Northern Florida, 870 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: like different places for thirty days for treatment, and I 871 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: was following up and making sure, and I was like, 872 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: I need to just add this to my my mission statement. 873 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: So I did, and then I started doing events called 874 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: cocktails and conversations, and I would have different people from actress. 875 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: I had Lisa Ray last year, I had Tommy Harris. 876 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: I've had Ray Rice, I've had Sean Tea, The Finished Trainer. 877 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: I've had therapists, whether it's life coaches, therapists, all the 878 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: different type of people all be speak on my panel 879 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: and we just have like a fireside chat where we 880 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: all just discuss things and open to the audience as 881 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: well to ask questions and just make those uncomfortable conversations 882 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: more comfortable. And people leave there feeling good about themselves. 883 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: But then they also realize they're not the only ones 884 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: who go through things. And then a lot of people 885 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: are able to share the stories of what they went 886 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: through how they were able to get through it, and 887 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: it inspires other people in the audience because I've had 888 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 1: friends after those, you know, reach out to me and say, 889 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you had this because I was going 890 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: through this and the other and I'm looking at them 891 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: like I would have never knew, you know what I'm saying, 892 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: because you know, a lot of people know how to 893 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: dress up and put a smile on their face and 894 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: go out like nothing's wrong, but they're actually feeling alone 895 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: this side or a lot of people they're going through 896 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: something like hard time, like they're the only one that's 897 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: going through it or went through and when they hear 898 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: other stories, they're like, oh, I can't get through this, 899 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: you know. 900 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. 901 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 4: Well I always said that's the one thing I probably 902 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 4: miss about the locker room. I don't miss the tackles 903 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 4: or anything else, but it's like the feeling that you're 904 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 4: never alone, Like, no matter what you're going through, you 905 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 4: can usually bring it up and somebody's like, yeah, dog 906 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 4: me too. 907 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 908 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 4: And how truly vulnerability equal strength inside of a locker room. 909 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 5: It does. 910 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: And another thing that I was a part of was 911 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: the NFL Players Choir. We had did some stuff. We 912 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: were not on American Talent. 913 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 3: So I wrote that down in my notes. You were 914 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 3: on America. 915 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 5: I want to get to that. 916 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: Yes, right, so we did that. But then so that's 917 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: that's that's a group chat in itself. That's a group 918 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: chat in itself. But then with the Ravens, like a 919 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: lot of us that played on the Super Bowl team, 920 00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: we're all in the group chat as well. Yes, and 921 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: has lost a teammate two years in a row. Now 922 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: you have are Jones who just passed here before that 923 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: with Jacobe Jones, who's all in our group chat, you know. 924 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: So it's like but we're all able to be there 925 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: for one another. I feel like the Ravens do a 926 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: great job of reaching out and making sure that you know, 927 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: we had a Zoom meeting for anybody who needs to 928 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: have anybody you know to talk to during those times 929 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: and things like that. I feel like they've done a 930 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,280 Speaker 1: great job, you know, in both situations. And then University 931 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: of Miami we have a group chat as well where 932 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: we all all are in there and we're all discussing 933 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: whether it's the game or just what people have going on. 934 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,879 Speaker 1: So we need one for the Vikings because we don't 935 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: have one for them. But those two, those three situations, 936 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm am in group chats and I got the guys 937 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: really like it and appreciate it because they can go 938 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: in there and discuss things that they need to discuss. 939 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 4: Would you say that's what helps keep you I think 940 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 4: with your mental health because you got a lot of 941 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 4: things going on. 942 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, you continue to stay busy. 943 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: Working out helps me too. Working out is a big 944 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: part too. So the more I got into this is 945 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: like working out you just learned to gives off the 946 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: good endorphins and then your good health. The plays to 947 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: be part on how you feel mentally too. So I 948 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: just started educating myself on a lot of things to 949 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: make you feel good far as your mental and working 950 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: out is a big part of it. And I feel like, 951 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: you know, when you play a lot of guys or 952 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: constantly you have to work out, but we retire, that's 953 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: up totally up to. 954 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 5: You now, just you know what I mean, And a 955 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 5: lot of guys kind of get away from I. 956 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: Look, I had got a big, bigger at one point 957 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: because I was tired of waging in every Friday. 958 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 5: I was like, I ain't know this no more. 959 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: Until the time my shoe became a job, I said, ses, 960 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: so I had to start. I get back working out 961 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: and everything. But yeah, but having those people there and 962 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: having accountability with other people and having work out partnership 963 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: different things like that kind of helps you out a lot. 964 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: And actually, Ray Rice and I just went to Minnesota 965 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: last Monday and we spoke to the Vikings. They brought 966 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: myself and my team up the year before as well, 967 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: and we speak to the guys on mental health and 968 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: we talked about like what we would have done different 969 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: had we known what we knew now. We talked about 970 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: how to handle success family and outside pressure, We talked 971 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 1: about life after the game, just talk about a lot 972 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: of different things. So I just got a phone call 973 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: today because they hit me and they say, we want 974 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: to bring y'all back again next year, but this time 975 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: we also want you all to talk to the staff, 976 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: so that we're adding that part on now. So now 977 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: it's just the players the past two years, but nex 978 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: year's gonna be players have one meeting and then we 979 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: have a separate meeting and we discuss things with the staff, 980 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: and I have my therapist, doctor Tasha there with me 981 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: as well. 982 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 4: That's be good because they can actually learn how to 983 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 4: maybe help the players out as well, because a lot 984 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 4: of times that's a big. 985 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: And it's really about what the staff is really by 986 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: making the players feel comfortable and being able to trust you, 987 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: because that's that's the problem. A lot of players feel like, well, 988 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: if I go to them, they're going to use it 989 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: against me later. If you feel like that, you're not 990 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: going to trust I'm gon want to open up. 991 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all? Can you? That's my 992 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 3: next question? 993 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 2: So you got dominated? So check you got dominated for 994 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 2: three Grammys. 995 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 5: That big project that I did, not for me. 996 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 2: I'm saying you got nominated for three years, So you 997 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 2: got nominated for three Gramms. It's like, that's big, that's 998 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 2: not that's not a small cool, it's super cool. 999 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 3: You got all these Hall of Fames. 1000 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 5: Tell you I'm competitive, so. 1001 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: Right, And then the music, because you know the time, 1002 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: I feel like when it came to athletes and music, 1003 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: like I just wasting the money the time that for 1004 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: a while. Yeah right, I'm like, I actually I told 1005 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 1: you the piano lessons. 1006 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 5: I was in the music. Yeah, I was a music person. 1007 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: So I'm like, so it's like, I really want to 1008 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,439 Speaker 1: kind of get in here and really like put out 1009 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: a good project. I didn't know it was going to 1010 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,800 Speaker 1: get nominated for three Grammys, but I just want to 1011 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: put together a good body work to show like I 1012 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: do have an ear for this, like just absolutely trying 1013 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: to just throw money behind somebody. 1014 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 5: I have a good ear for this. 1015 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 3: So is it? 1016 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,479 Speaker 2: I'm I bring the certificates and stuff. So no, No, 1017 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 2: that's dope? 1018 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 3: Is it? 1019 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 2: Do you sing? Do you find the talent? Do you 1020 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 2: pick up the beat yourself? Do you do you mix it? 1021 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 3: Do you. 1022 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: Being a cosective producers? You you are the arrangers? So 1023 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 1: you can arrange how to how the song is produced, 1024 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: as far as like finding the producer, arranging the order, 1025 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: like where the the whole and everything ll be in 1026 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: the bridge and everything like that. Like you're just arranging, 1027 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not playing instruments. I'm just arranging everything 1028 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,919 Speaker 1: and how the album is like play like what song 1029 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: go hereould what song should be number one? Like all 1030 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: that's a part of arrangement. 1031 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 3: I just did THATSCN and terior designer for music. 1032 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: Basically, it's just organizing and moving stuff like that. 1033 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 3: That was a good one, and we'll be right back. 1034 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,879 Speaker 4: All right now, now be this is something that little 1035 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 4: maybe a little bit off topic, but it's I got 1036 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 4: to give you your flowers because the one thing I've 1037 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 4: heard about you, and I've never been able to hang 1038 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 4: around you, is that the dudes got sauce. The dudes 1039 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,359 Speaker 4: got sauce, all right, So how in the world does 1040 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 4: Brian McKinney able to go out in the nightclub and 1041 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 4: have Serena Williams, Venus, Williams, Trina and about fifteen other 1042 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 4: in about fifteen others and big B right there with 1043 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 4: a great smile, with the same demeanion, and it's just 1044 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 4: all love, and they tell. 1045 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: Me it's about making people feel comfortable. Right, So once 1046 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: you bring out that barrier of okay, they're now comfortable 1047 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 1: around you, they trust you, so now they can bring 1048 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: their guard down and now they're going to actually enjoy themselves, 1049 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But if they have to 1050 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: keep looking at they don't trust the people that may 1051 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 1: be with you or things like that, then it's kind 1052 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: of like a little stand office. But once they you 1053 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: get them an environment of they feel safe, then the 1054 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: guards come down and you have a good time, and 1055 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,439 Speaker 1: now they want to experience that again. 1056 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 5: So I call it the b back experience. So that. 1057 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 2: To the flip side of the lip side of that. 1058 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 2: When did you know you had that? Because you are 1059 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 2: a large black high school? 1060 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 3: So did you was it was? 1061 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 5: It? 1062 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 3: Was it something that Okay, I'm a larger black man, 1063 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 3: do I. 1064 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 5: Fight a slim in high school? So igh school? 1065 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: So my house was the house everybody went to because 1066 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,880 Speaker 1: like parents can get home to like six thirty, so 1067 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, you get out school like three, so everybody 1068 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,399 Speaker 1: come over to my house. I was raised the only child, 1069 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: so I knew how to entertain everybody. Everybody come to 1070 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: my house after school, like just be going by sixtteen. 1071 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: So my house was kind of like the social party house. 1072 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 2: I just love the fact that when you talk, you 1073 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 2: don't even get it out and you just started laughing, 1074 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 2: having flashback. 1075 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: So just from high school and then just kind of 1076 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: just carried over to like college, just being social and 1077 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,240 Speaker 1: just want everybody to have a good time. I couldn't 1078 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: have a good time until I've seen everybody was having 1079 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:54,920 Speaker 1: a good time, and then like all right now I 1080 00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,279 Speaker 1: got fun just aways like just kind of looking out 1081 00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,400 Speaker 1: for people and just make sure we had a good time. 1082 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,320 Speaker 1: I always make sure we safe. So even in Minnesota, 1083 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: they'll take you like the party buses. We'll go out 1084 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: out of Hey, we wanna get a party bus. We're 1085 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,399 Speaker 1: gonna all ride together, and we're gonna ride back together, 1086 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So just to make sure 1087 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: nobody to drive, drinker, drive anything. And I was always 1088 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: with that on transportation. I was even glad when Uber 1089 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 1: came out, so you can start uber and but yeah, 1090 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 1: so I always make sure everybody was kind of like. 1091 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 3: Good, yeah, yeah, I like that. 1092 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,360 Speaker 4: I've heard from four different people about I did not 1093 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 4: They didn't all tell me. 1094 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,640 Speaker 3: It was called the Bmax experience. But it was all 1095 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 3: the same. 1096 00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,399 Speaker 1: The rides, Oh yeah, the. 1097 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 4: Amount of people, the togetherness, no animosity of ROTTERI. 1098 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 5: Say, everybody got along. 1099 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: I don't know how he was able to just put 1100 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: some good energy together and everybody's with the comic goal. 1101 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,919 Speaker 1: We're gonna go out have a good time. 1102 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 4: This dude had all of them, everybody together. Anyways, I 1103 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 4: just want to give you a flowers. I appreciate it 1104 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 4: because you did your thing. 1105 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 5: I appreciate it. 1106 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore, you get four picks Mount Rushmore of greatness. 1107 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 2: You can pick four people who have helped you become 1108 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 2: the person you are today. 1109 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 5: Sweet, not not so not definitely, just people in general. 1110 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 3: Just people in general. 1111 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 1: Oh, my grandma played a big part. I'm gonna say 1112 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: my grandma because she liked me playing basketball more right, 1113 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,840 Speaker 1: So when I told her I'm going out for football, 1114 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: she was like, Oh, you're not gonna like it. I'm 1115 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 1: gonna stay with basketball. I like you playing basketball better 1116 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: anyway than that. And that one thing is what push 1117 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 1: me to keep going. Really, even when I went out 1118 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: to play football and I have my days like I 1119 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 1: really want to do this, I always heard her say, yeah, 1120 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: you're not gonna like it. You're gonna big basketball like up, 1121 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: get up. You know you're going back. So you have 1122 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: you know, football something. You just have those moments where 1123 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,680 Speaker 1: you just really question, like is this what I want 1124 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: to do? 1125 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:34,720 Speaker 3: That's crazy? 1126 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: Every step of the way, that one thing I remember 1127 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: and I held on to it so and I remind 1128 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 1: her every time. So when I got to Juco, I 1129 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: was like, Grandma, remember you said? All the way to 1130 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: like Miami Draft Day. She was there with me on 1131 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: Draft Day and I looked at her like, Grandma, remember 1132 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,239 Speaker 1: you said? And then down to when I want my 1133 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl? She was she found me first out of 1134 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: everybody in the family. She ran and found me first, 1135 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: before my mom and dad, everybody found me. And I said, Grandma, 1136 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 1: you remember you said? And then when it came down 1137 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,000 Speaker 1: to the College Football Hall of Fames even to I 1138 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,759 Speaker 1: just told her this week, I remember just turned ninety 1139 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:09,240 Speaker 1: in September. 1140 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 3: She's still. 1141 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:11,759 Speaker 5: She. 1142 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,239 Speaker 1: I talked to her yesterday and I said, yes, I'm 1143 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,919 Speaker 1: going to ring on this year. She said, I hope 1144 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 1: you can come on TV because she don't like to 1145 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: fly anymore. I said, we'll send a video or whatever, 1146 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: and she was like okay, I said, but remember how 1147 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: this all started, so just even up too yesterday, I 1148 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 1: just had this whole conversation with her. So she's definitely 1149 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: the top one up there that because she was the 1150 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,200 Speaker 1: why I kept going, you know, like I don't want 1151 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,840 Speaker 1: to make her right so her, I'm gonna say my 1152 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,760 Speaker 1: dad played a big part, but I'm saying my mom. Actually, 1153 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 1: I feel like she kind of sacrificed more as like 1154 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,880 Speaker 1: she didn't get it, like because I didn't play, you know, 1155 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,879 Speaker 1: I played late. So like she would ask me every 1156 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,839 Speaker 1: week like are you starting again this week? I'm like, yeah, 1157 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:54,400 Speaker 1: you must be pretty good. 1158 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 3: Like every week she would ask me, not if you quit. 1159 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,840 Speaker 1: Yet, but starting Yeah, I'm starting again, okay, And that 1160 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: one time she like, you must be doing pretty good, 1161 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: like yeah, So I don't think it registered her to 1162 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 1: my senior year. 1163 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,719 Speaker 5: Like something actually pretty good. 1164 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 3: She never asked. 1165 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 5: She to keep asking was I was starting week? 1166 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,799 Speaker 1: Until like going into my senior year, and I feel 1167 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 1: like it started becoming more like in the newspapers and 1168 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: things like that more and she started being able to 1169 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 1: see because she was, you know, in Jersey, so I 1170 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 1: guess she didn't really know what was being said. Here, 1171 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: but then you know, we start making like you know, 1172 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 1: like the news more and she was like, oh okay, 1173 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:37,320 Speaker 1: so just her for not knowing anything. And then I 1174 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: don't know who the fourth person would be. Oh, one 1175 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 1: of my coaches coach at Junior college, coach Al McElroy. 1176 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: He was my old line coach. He was one who 1177 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 1: taught me how to play left tackle and by me 1178 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: coming into to that juco Lakawana, he would take his 1179 00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: time and I would go home after school and I 1180 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,360 Speaker 1: would do my homework and he would me up a 1181 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: seven o'clock and I would do my own personal weight 1182 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,160 Speaker 1: training with him, like. 1183 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 5: So everybody will like right after school. 1184 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,279 Speaker 1: They would let me go home and he would pick 1185 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,520 Speaker 1: me up and I would go to his house and 1186 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 1: we would lift weights, like really like learn how to 1187 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 1: lift weights because I didn't have like a weight program 1188 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,399 Speaker 1: in high school. So it's like we're gonna go down 1189 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: here in the old school bench and we're. 1190 00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:18,800 Speaker 3: Gonna get swollen. 1191 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and that's what that's what. 1192 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:22,720 Speaker 3: Getting swollen. 1193 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,440 Speaker 4: I just wanted to know the best feece of advice 1194 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 4: that your old line and juco coach maybe taught you 1195 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,239 Speaker 4: that's really stuck with you. 1196 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,480 Speaker 5: He had the same called movie your Feast, you can't 1197 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:33,799 Speaker 5: get beat. 1198 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 1: So regardless of what's going on with your hands, you know, 1199 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: sometimes people slap your hands, and I don't know why 1200 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: guys do it. When they get their hands slap, sometimes 1201 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,279 Speaker 1: like their feet stops. But like keep your feet moving, 1202 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: your body presents still, you know, make up to you 1203 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: can just replace your hands eventually. But some reason, guys 1204 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: when they get their hands knocked down, it's like their 1205 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: whole body just stops. 1206 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 5: I don't know, but me hearing. 1207 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: That and always remember and that's why I told you 1208 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 1: with Dwight Freeney, like regardless of going keep your feet moving, 1209 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,080 Speaker 1: feet stay, stay in front of him, like you know 1210 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: what I mean. So that was a big piece that 1211 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: I kind of carried on with me. I had to 1212 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,799 Speaker 1: face the white going into our Super Bowl run. We 1213 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: laughed at each other like it's like it's year twelve. 1214 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 3: Here we go again. 1215 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,239 Speaker 5: Year twel can be the same year. 1216 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,719 Speaker 1: So like year twelve for both of us, first round 1217 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: of the playoffs, the coats where you're at Baltimore, and 1218 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:17,840 Speaker 1: it's just like we just looked at the journey like 1219 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: laugh like. 1220 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 5: Here we go again. 1221 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 2: Is yeah, running backs receivers dbs. They get all the awards, right, 1222 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 2: So now they have an NFL Protector of the Year 1223 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,439 Speaker 2: award like this question, what are your thoughts on that. 1224 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm glad they have it because it kind of gives, 1225 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: you know, the old line some shine because you know, 1226 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,600 Speaker 1: the only time you zooming the old line is they 1227 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,839 Speaker 1: jump off side, got a holding penalty. 1228 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 5: Like it was him. 1229 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: Dang, that's the only time you show us. So I'm 1230 00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: glad there's something out there. I'm glad they're getting great 1231 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: and stuff now too. I feel like we didn't have 1232 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 1: greater So when it came time for like Pro Bowls 1233 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,319 Speaker 1: and stuff, it was hard to pick old lineman because 1234 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: it was like. 1235 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 3: You went off name. 1236 00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, some guys well miss half the sisons because you 1237 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: had a good name. So it was like y'all worked hard. 1238 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,160 Speaker 1: It's like he's going to act to make it just 1239 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 1: because his name and everybody's just used him making it. 1240 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: So I'm glad they have those things now to kind 1241 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,560 Speaker 1: of give those guys a little more incentive. And it 1242 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 1: just gives you something to kind of like rate you know, 1243 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,600 Speaker 1: the players how they're playing that season. 1244 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 5: So I appreciate it. 1245 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,920 Speaker 2: And if you could design it because you look like 1246 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 2: a creative. How would you just how would you design 1247 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:23,680 Speaker 2: the trophy? 1248 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,080 Speaker 1: I want to make some big hands that are like 1249 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: blocking or something like that, you know what I mean, 1250 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,240 Speaker 1: just like some past pro hands or something. 1251 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,920 Speaker 3: Man, we appreciate you coming on the pot. 1252 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,920 Speaker 5: Appreciate you ever having me. 1253 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,120 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Do you think we got the experience? 1254 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,640 Speaker 3: I want the real experience, the real experience. 1255 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,600 Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna get out of here on that way 1256 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,399 Speaker 4: because I don't want to hear anybody else. 1257 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 3: And I'm glad my wife doesn't watch this. 1258 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 4: All right, So wherever you pick up your podcast at 1259 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,359 Speaker 4: with this Apple podcast, iHeartRadio app make sure you give 1260 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,320 Speaker 4: us a follow, like subscribe, leave a couple of comments. 1261 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,400 Speaker 4: We always love to respond. We love putting Thomas to 1262 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,239 Speaker 4: work like that. And you can also check us out 1263 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 4: on the NFL pages YouTube channel Peanut getting us out 1264 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:06,120 Speaker 4: of here. 1265 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,360 Speaker 3: Man, I'm Peanut. 1266 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 2: That's my guy Roman and that's Brian and this is 1267 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,560 Speaker 2: the NFL Player's second X podcast. 1268 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:14,600 Speaker 3: We out