1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: It's happening here. The thing that's happening here is fucking 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: child labor. I am. I am deeply angry this episode, 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: this is it could happen here. I'm your host, Mio 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: Wong and with me Sharen Hi Mia. 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: I'm so glad to join you on this really uplifting episode. 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be great. So yes, all right, As 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: anyone who studied, like even a little bit of labor 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: history dos, the fight over child labor is very, very old. 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: It is. It's one of the first causes that sort 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: of liberal reformers to capitalism took up nearly eighteen hundreds. 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Like it's like in the Communist Manifesto is one of 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: the things. It's actually it's one of the things people 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: point out. It's like, oh, we've done all the things 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: that was in the original comedist Manifesto, and it's like, no, no, 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: we never got rid of this, you know. It's it's 16 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: also one of the things that like you get these 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: sort of like capitalist triumphalist accounts that like, oh, we 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: eliminated child labor. This is like this has proof the 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: system works. No, this, the battle over child labor or 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: is a battle that we are in the middle of losing. 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: We are losing it in worse and worse ways every day. 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: So okay, so why why why are we why are 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: we dealing with a new resurgence of child labor in 24 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: this country. There's there's a lot of reasons. One of 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: the big problems is that vast swaths of the US 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: sees child labor is morally good. You know, they see 27 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: something like, oh, this is like you teach your kids. 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: It's like how you like, how they grow up and 29 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: get responsible, and. 30 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then this and this is true in a 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: lot of parts of the world. It's also completely and 32 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: absolutely bonkers. It is just it's just nuts, Like people 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't think like this. It's incredibly weird. And the other 34 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: thing that you get a lot is like there's you know, 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: there's sort of like different versions of like more or 36 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: less socially acceptable child labor. Right, So, like I think 37 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: most people agree if you're not running the business that 38 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: like children shouldn't be working in like slaughterhouses or whatever. 39 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: But you know, there's like lots of things that people 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: are like, oh, no, kid working in a restaurant, like 41 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: that's completely fine, Like oh, it's like a like a 42 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: fourteen year old is like doing farm work on a farm, 43 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: Like that's fine, but. 44 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope, right because it's starting to farm 45 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: work and then. 46 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: Down. Also, like I would argue that that's also not fine, 47 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: because what's what's essentially happening here is that there's this 48 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: basically like this sort of family loophole to people's understanding 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: if child labor were like, as long as child labor 50 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: is being done by like the family as an economic 51 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: unit instead of like capitalists directly, yeah, it's fine. It's like, no, no, 52 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: it's not. It's actually not fine to be working people 53 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: like be a child and then working for a living 54 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: for your family, Like that's not kay. 55 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: I think there's a difference between. I think there's a 56 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: difference between like child labor and like working in a 57 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 2: field for your family versus like a chore, you know 58 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah, it's I think I 59 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: think that line gets blurred and people see their kids 60 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: as much more mature than they are and like able 61 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: to like no, I I I understand what you're saying, 62 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: and I think I agree. 63 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: I think I agree, yeah, and it's I don't know it. 64 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: It sucks. This has a lot of sort of knock 65 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: on effects. One of the big knock on effects his 66 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: Haus and this is this has been a thing for 67 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: like the entire history of child labor, right, is that 68 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: like capitalists use children as a way to write down 69 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: wages for everyone else. And this is you know, if 70 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: you ever listened to argue to someone about the minimum wage, right, 71 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: one of the big arguments about the minimum wage is 72 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: that like, oh well, it's like it's like kids get 73 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: the minimum wage, so like it's fine. It's like one, 74 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: it's not like children are not morally worth less and 75 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: their labor is also not worth less than an adult. 76 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: Like like if you if you're gonna explain them like this, like. 77 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, things all are the same price for everybody. It's 78 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 2: not like less for a child. 79 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not. It's not like it like a kid 80 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: is like somehow less of a human being than an adult. Right, 81 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: Like this is this is this sucks, but you know 82 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: it's used to sort of hold down wages directly through 83 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: things like like opposing mineral wage increases, used to hold 84 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, hold down wages sort of indirectly because and 85 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: this is another reason like capitalists love child labor is 86 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: that children are, you know, like they're physically smaller than adults, 87 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: they're easier to control, they have less social power, and 88 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: because you know, because of that, you can pay them less. 89 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: And because of you know, because because people just in 90 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: our society don't fucking like kids, and because of that, 91 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: it's so it's it's just socially accessible to just pay 92 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: them less. 93 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: All those reasons you listed are absolutely terrifying, though, like, 94 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: oh they will listen. Oh they're smaller, Oh they're like 95 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: cheaper or whatever it is that they're all like terrible 96 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 2: reasons to justify child labor. 97 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: No, they're not good. They're not good. And yet, however, Comma, 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: it still persists. It has persisted. It's very old. I'm 99 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: gonna read something from the Bureau of Labor Statistics about 100 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: this fucking kid who was working in a mine. What okay? 101 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: This is from the early nineteen hundreds. One boy touchingly 102 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: recounted his attitude towards facing the day at the mine 103 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: this way, I'll always think of my poor blind father 104 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: and my mother at home, but I won't never play 105 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: with the boys at all, And then the cracker boss 106 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: won't have to beat me like he does the others 107 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: this boy was nine years old. While stories like these 108 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: produced outrage in many quarters, in the cold producing regions, 109 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: there is no such concern the view that quote the 110 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: little devils like it, as one cold boss put it, 111 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: seemed to be the prevailing sentiments. Child labor wasn't discussed 112 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: these regions because it wasn't seen as an issue. So 113 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: this is like nineteen hundreds of American view, like early 114 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: nieten hundreds of American view on this right, like people, my people, 115 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean capitalists and also people who are incredibly desperate 116 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: and don't have enough money to give by like love 117 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: child labor. There's you know, it takes a long time 118 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: for like an actual series anti child labor campaign to 119 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: get started in the US. And of course the exact 120 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: people who you would expect to oppose banning child labor 121 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: oppose banning child labor. I'm going to read this from 122 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: the also from the barrel laborististics. The chairman of the 123 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: National Association of Manufacturers said about a law to abolish 124 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: child labor. Quote this union, this labor union plot against 125 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: the advancements and happiness of the American boy is a ploy. 126 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: Is also a ploy against individual industrial expansion. And prosperity 127 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,559 Speaker 1: in this country. So this is what their thing is. 128 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: Their argument is that is that children don't oppose child labor. 129 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: This is this is being foisted upon them by outside 130 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: agitated labor unions. And also, if we're not allowed to 131 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: use child labor, if we're not allowed to have a 132 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: nine year old be put in a mine, the entire 133 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: American economy will collapse and every manufacturer will go broke. 134 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: It's like making you like being like child labor because patriotism, 135 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: Like that's basically what that means. 136 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's s genu widely terrible, like I 137 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's so goulish. Like companies today have 138 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: figured out how to do this pr thing of like, oh, 139 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: we don't condone child labor. We crack down on it 140 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: very seriously. We also hire children literally all the time. 141 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: But it's fine, We're just we're gonna like you know, 142 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: but back in like nine hundreds, they hadn't really figured 143 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: that out yet, and so you know, there's there's a 144 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: sort of reform movement that happens. And one of the 145 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: sort of key moments of this reform thing is Laurence 146 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: Textile Strike and This strike is probably most famous today 147 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: for popularizing the slogan we want bread and roses too, 148 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: which is, you know, like wrung down the halls of 149 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 1: labor and socialist histories, like the names of newspapers, songs, poems, 150 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: and also like being the namesake of a truly dogshit 151 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: DSA caucus. We're not going to talk about this strike enormously. 152 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: Here the short, the very very short version of this strike, 153 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: and this this is a nineteen twelve strike. The short 154 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: version of it is that there's a law pass in 155 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: Massachusetts that would have reduced like the number of hours 156 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: that you could have women and children work from a 157 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: blistering fifty six hours to a leisurely fifty four hours 158 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: a week. 159 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 160 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: This prompted the local capitalist to get so mad that 161 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: they did this like massive like industrial speed up, so 162 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: they forced everyone to work faster and then also doctor 163 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: everyone's paid for it. And this this set off a strike, 164 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: which what's relevant for like our stories that the workers 165 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: at this plan. You know, there's lots of coverage of 166 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: the fact that like most of these workers are immigrant 167 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: women of like from a bunch of different places. The 168 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: part of it that's not talked about as much is 169 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: that another huge person of the workers were just fucking children. 170 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: And it seems to get glossed over. 171 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And it's like, I, I, you know, I 172 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe maybe we should go back and talking 173 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: about that part because it's really important for like the 174 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: stuff we're going to talk about later in this episode. 175 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: That made me so angry. I was like physically punching 176 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: my pillow. What happens next is that the police cracked 177 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: down on the strike. It's more and more violence. And 178 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: as this goes on, the workers at like the adult 179 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: workers at this plant decide, Okay, we're gonna like send 180 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: the children, who are both like both the child workers 181 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: and also like just people's kids to New York to 182 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: keep them safe and also to make a political point. 183 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: But like, hey, look they're running our children out of town, 184 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: and this goes great. The first way is this go 185 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: great for the children. Like a bunch of people in 186 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: New York show up but are like, yay, hey, we'll 187 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: take care of these kids. Like and this makes like 188 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: the officials in Lawrence be like, you have to stop this. 189 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: It looks really bad for us. And so they they 190 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: like assembled outside of the next train that was trying 191 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: to leave and tried to stop them. Oh my god, 192 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: so she shouldn't be really mististics again. When the next 193 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: group of children prepared to depart the train station, they 194 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: were met by police and soldiers. The police refused to 195 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: let them board the trains and launch an attack on 196 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: the group. A seven year old was given a black 197 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: eye when she was picked up and thrown into a 198 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: patty wagon by police. Another witness. Another witness testified to 199 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: children being thrown around like rags. Oh my wait god, 200 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: like yeah, thin blue live baby, let's fucking go. This 201 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: is this is the thing the cops or the thin 202 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: blue line ordering chaos. That seventy year old girls. Yeah's 203 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: not gonna throw herself around, right, Like someone has to 204 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: beat up this children. And for that there is the few, 205 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: the proud, the American police. 206 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 2: But they were scared for their lives, you know what 207 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: I mean, Like there are seven year. 208 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: Olds that that seven year old girl looked at me 209 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: really aggressively. 210 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was scared for my life, That's what they said. 211 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's this is bad. And like 212 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, the the nineteen hundreds police can get away 213 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: with like nineteen hundred. Plice've talked about another episodes, like 214 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: they could get away with just like shooting people right, 215 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: like the like they could show up to like a 216 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: strike and just open fire into the crowd and it 217 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: doesn't do anything throwing around a bunch of children like rags. Finally, 218 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: it turned out was the thing that was bad enough 219 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: that it like started a congressional investigation. 220 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: Wow, I guess that's good and bad. 221 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, so's a college launched this investigation. And there's 222 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: like this fourteen year old immigrant girl named Kamela Tielli 223 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: testifies about how she was working at the mill when 224 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: a machine caught her hair and tore her scalp off 225 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 1: the police promptly and this is going and okay that 226 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: the police promptly arrested her dad, didn't do anything to 227 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: the company, arrested her dad for lying about her age. 228 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what now this hold that wood in 229 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: your fucking mind, because we're gonna come back to that shit, 230 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: do I have to? 231 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: Okay? 232 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, because it's gonna get so much worse when Tyler's 233 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: episode is over. So the product of this is that 234 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: there starts to be like a really mainstream push against 235 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: child labor, which is, you know, a thing you would 236 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: have thought would have started earlier, because again we're on 237 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: like century two of child labor in the US by 238 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: this point, right, like in the in an entity called 239 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: the United States. But you know, apparently it takes this 240 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: to actually make people go, wait, maybe this is bad. 241 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: And the product of this is you get this thing 242 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: called the Kenning Owen Child Labor Act nineteen sixteen. Now, 243 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: as we sort of talked about earlier, right, the weakness 244 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: of this law is that it, you know, it allows 245 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: kids to be used as laborers, like inside of the 246 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: family unit. So like if you're on a family you know, 247 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: and this is a very very broad category, right, so 248 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: it's you know, you can you can force your child 249 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: to work as long as like you're their parents, right 250 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: and you're the one making the money off of them 251 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: and not like a capitalist. But even this, even this 252 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: is considered too strong of a law, and in nineteen eighteen, 253 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court rules that it's unconstitutional to ban child labor. 254 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: Wait what they do with the uiple times? Multiple times, 255 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: And we really cannot emphasize this enough on this show. 256 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court is and has always been just one 257 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: of history's greatest monsters. 258 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, there, wait, I was right, then child labor 259 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: does equal patriotism. That's basically what I'm saying. 260 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: So eventually FDR gets into this giant fight with Supreme Court, 261 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: and the first child labor law we get in federal 262 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: child labor law that gets that sticks, I like doesn't 263 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: happen till nineteen thirty eight when FDR threatens to pack 264 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: the court if the Court refuses to fucking stop stop 265 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: saying that that that the state that the state doesn't 266 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: have the government doesn't have the power to regulate child labor. 267 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: Wow, it's like literally less than a century ago. That 268 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,599 Speaker 2: is like yesterday, you know. 269 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: But but but you know, and this actually works, right, 270 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: but but and this is a real problem. And this 271 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: is a problem that we're gonna we're gonna talk about 272 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: later in this fucking episode. In the modern day, those 273 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: child labor laws don't get enforced. It doesn't act that 274 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: actual The nineteen thirty eight Fair Labor Act like basically 275 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: doesn't actually do shit to like reduce the amount of 276 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: child labor in the country. And here's the thing, Like, 277 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: even now, even before all the horror show stuff that 278 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: we're about to get to that's happening right now, like 279 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: not kids, Like we never actually dealt with child labor 280 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: through like the law, Like we just basically outsourced, you know, Okay, 281 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: we we had to find someone whose labor is cheaper 282 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: than like an American child, and we did. It's either 283 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: like mechanization other immigrants who like don't have legal citizenship status, 284 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: or just outsourcing. And then you know, our kids still 285 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: fucking do work, you know, like are like they're like 286 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: it's very common for ten and twelve year olds to work. 287 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: It's just that it's usually like babysitting or like bowing lawns. 288 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: And we've we've decided that like, no, this is actually fine, 289 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: Like it is actually fine to fucking put twelve year 290 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: olds in a labor market. 291 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I think most people today anyway, I 292 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: think the common person thinks that child labor happens like 293 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: in other countries over there, you know what I mean. 294 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: I don't think they think America is still that archaic 295 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: and stupid. 296 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and oh my god, yeah, so we need to 297 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: take an ad break. And then I'm not even gonna 298 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: make a joke about our sponsors and child labor because 299 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: like Jesus fucking Christ. This is good about to be 300 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: it's so bad. But yeah, here's some ads. Okay, So 301 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, we never really got rid of child labor, right, 302 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: what we did basically was, to some extent we've been 303 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: able to successfully decrease the severity of it. And you know, 304 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: in the last twenty years there'd been a decline in 305 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: what economists and I really cannot emphasize enough, this is 306 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: the actual phrase they use, is child participation in the 307 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: labor markets. Wow. 308 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, vanilla of a way to say that. 309 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: So return to present day, present day. The thing that's 310 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: been happening in the last few months is that in 311 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: a five week span in this country, three children died 312 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: or I you know, I would actually argue we're killed 313 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: by their employers on the job. Well, five children in 314 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: three children in five weeks. So sixteen these there, these 315 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: kids were all sixteen. Sixteen year old Duvn Thomas Perez 316 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: got killed by machiinery get a conveyor belt. Sixteen year 317 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: old Will Hampton died working at a landfill, and sixteen 318 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: year old Michael Schulz died working for a logging company. 319 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: There have been other child labor deaths recently, those are 320 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: just sort of the most recent ones. And I want 321 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: to get in to the shit that's been happening because 322 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: in the last really in the last been under like 323 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: eight years, things have gotten you know, like the Charlie 324 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: situation in the US was never good, and we'll talk 325 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: about that later, but like things have gotten so much worse. 326 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: There's been almost a factor of four increase since twenty 327 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: fifteen in kids working illegally and hazardous jobs. It's actually 328 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: probably well, it's unclear to me whether the numbers are 329 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: actually worse than that. I don't know, because I think 330 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: almost all of this these districts are being undercounted, like 331 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: dramatically because those numbers are just violations that are caught. 332 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: And go into that a bit later. But meanwhile, like 333 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: right now, Arkansas, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Jersey, and Vermont 334 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: have already passed laws in the last two years that 335 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: weaken restrictions on child labor, and bills are appearing like 336 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: across the country to do fucking more of the same stuff, 337 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: like they want to allow fourteen year olds to serve 338 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: alcohol in bars. It's you know, it is, it is 339 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: truly horrific, and it's being driven by restaurant business associations 340 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: across the country who want to, you know, use child labor, 341 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: and that's bad. The fact there's more stuff that you 342 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: know is on the horizon is not good. But for 343 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: an enormous number of people, regardless of what the law says, 344 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: the situation is absolutely intolerable. Here's from the New York Times. 345 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: In many parts of the country, middle and high school 346 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: teachers in English language larner programs say it is now 347 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: common for nearly all of their students to rush off 348 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: to long shift after their classes end. They should not 349 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: be working twelve hour days, but it's happening here, said 350 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: Valeria Lindsay, an Arts language arts teacher at Homestead Middle 351 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: School near Miami. For the past three years, almost every 352 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: eighth grader in her English learner program, about one hundred students, 353 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: was also carrying an adult workload. So there's been a 354 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: massive surge since twenty twenty one in unaccompanied minors entering 355 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: the US. And this has been driven by a law 356 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: of sort of you know, it's been driven by sort 357 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: of pandemic driven poverty, a massive obsertion of violence in 358 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: a bunch of countries in Central America, a lot of 359 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: which has to do with like, you know, the the 360 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: US back to Cunel Salvador about a decade ago. You know, 361 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff going on. It's all very 362 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: bad and it's been pushing people here. But you know, 363 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: like the the situation for immigrants getting into the US 364 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: is never good, but Biden specifically has managed to make 365 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: it worse because Biden's sort of like Biden's immigration policy 366 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: has been has been resting on getting kids out of 367 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: shelters as fast as humanly possible and just like throwing 368 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: them at literally anyone who claims to be a sponsor, right, 369 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 1: And you know, this has gone about as well as 370 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: you would expect it would when someone like starts to 371 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, one of the I think it was The 372 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: New York Times was talking about this woman who's working, 373 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: you quit working in a health human services like office 374 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: because they had a quota of getting rid of twenty 375 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: percent of their kids a week and if they didn't 376 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: do it, they would get digged. Yeah, they had a 377 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: quota for we need to get twenty percent of the 378 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: kids out of the shelter every week. Wow. In the 379 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: last two years they have lost track of a third 380 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: of the kids they send out, which is again, in 381 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: the last two years alone, at least eighty five thousand 382 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: children they've just lost. I don't fucking know where they are. 383 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: Here's some New York Times Again, it's getting to be 384 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: a business for some of these sponsors. And yet Pasilaqua, 385 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: who left her job as a caseworker in Central Florida 386 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: last year. Miss Pasilochua said she saw so many children 387 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: put to work and found law enforcement officials so unwilling 388 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: to investigate these cases that she largely stopped reporting them. Instead, 389 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 1: she settled for explaining to the children that they were 390 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: entitled to lunch breaks in overtime. 391 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, And you know, I. 392 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: Want to make really clear what we're talking about here, right, 393 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: This is not you know, like I don't think like, 394 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, whatever your position is on like whether like 395 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: a twelve year old or a fourteen year old should 396 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: be working any job at all. We are talking about 397 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: twelve year olds working on factories. We were talking about 398 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: thirteen year olds cleaning up the floors of slaughter the 399 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: kill floors of slaughterhouses. We are talking about like, we 400 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: are talking about fourteen year olds who are like literally 401 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: making food that like you are eating yeah, and we're 402 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: still right. So this is happening in a large part 403 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: because there's been a sort of like a giant surgeon 404 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: on a company miners. Well, it turns out a lot 405 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: of those miners are on a company because the Biden 406 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: administration wouldn't let their fucking parents into the country. And 407 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: this is where this is where we need to get 408 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: into the fucking like the whole sort of like sex 409 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: trafficking panic, right, because you know, one of the things 410 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: that this panic, specifically about sex trafficking has covered up 411 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: is that most humans trafficking is not sex trafficking. It's 412 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: almost all labor trafficking almost also huo strong a word, 413 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: but it's mostly by volume. Most of it is is 414 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: labor trafficking, which nobody gives a single shit about because 415 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's no you can't you can't have a 416 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: moral panic around like you can't have a moral panic 417 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: around labor trafficking like people who aren't white. And simultaneously, 418 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: all the business groups who would normally fund these panics 419 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: like love this shit because you know, all of all 420 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: of these capital's ghouls drinking a thousand dollars bottles of 421 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: wine under thirty million dollar yachts. All of that shit 422 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: is paid for about child labor, so of course they 423 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: don't give a shit about it. In fact, they love it. 424 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: And the you know, the product of this is you 425 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: have a bunch of fucking twelve year olds who are 426 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: effectively in debt bondage, working twelve hours of fucking day 427 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: in a slaughterhouse or a paper bill. I'm gonna I'm 428 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: gonna read another thing from the New York Times, which is, 429 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, so many of these things are so depressing, 430 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: but like, I think this is the most depressing thing 431 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: I've read in this entire I don't know, like in ages, 432 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: I didn't get how expensive everything was, says thirteen year 433 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: old Jose Vasquez, who works twelve hour shifts, six days 434 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: a week at a commercial egg farm in Michigan and 435 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: lives with his teenage sister. I'd like to go to school, 436 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: but then how would I pay rent? Thirteen thirteen? You know, 437 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: and of course one of you know, like the everything 438 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: about this, right is these these are people dealing with 439 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: the fucking American housing market, right. The American housing market 440 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: is intolerable to adults who work full time, who work 441 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: like full time jobs or multiple part time jobs. Right, 442 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: this is a thirteen year old. How the fuck is 443 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: a thirteen year old? It's supposed to be paying rent? Right? 444 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: And you know, and every every sort of additional thing 445 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: just makes it worse because the more the more of 446 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: these kids. And one of one of the things happening 447 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: is these kids are getting funneled into very specific areas, right, 448 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: because they're getting You're getting funeled to like specific towns 449 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: because those specific towns have a bunch of like, have 450 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of companies who specifically want to hire these 451 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: migrant kids. And when they do that, that fucking continually 452 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: drives out the price of housing because all of these 453 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: people are competing for the same like fucking one Vegoe 454 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: apartment for sixteen hundred dollars a month, right, And so 455 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: every everything just sort of spirals in on each other 456 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,239 Speaker 1: and until you get you get a fucking thirteen year 457 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: old working, working, fucking this is this is nine ninety six. 458 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: This is the fucking like thing I talked about in 459 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: China is at nine am nine pm, six days a 460 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: week at a fucking egg farm in Michigan. In you know, 461 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: in any just world, people would die for this. In 462 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: this world, and you know, people have fucking died for this. 463 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: It's a bunch of children who are dying on their 464 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: fucking jobs in this world though. The people, you know, 465 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: the people who for this are children. And the Biden 466 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: administration again is actively aiding fucking human traffickers by kicking 467 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: all these kids out to their families, like they're kicking 468 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: all these people out to just like fucking anyone as 469 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: soon as humanly possible, and not allowing these people's families 470 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: into the country, and then doing literally nothing at all 471 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: to ensure that like the people who are fleeing into 472 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: this country like have a place to live or like 473 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: any kind of reasonable job or any way to support themselves, 474 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: you know, and we could, we could, fucking like, there 475 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: are there are individual people in the US who benefit 476 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: from this child labor who you could fucking like throw 477 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: into a box tomorrow, take all of their money, and 478 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 1: you could fund this entire program. They are individual people, right. 479 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: No one will fucking do it. They will let these kids, 480 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: They will let every single one of these kids die 481 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: before a single billionaire has to fucking spend a single 482 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: cent taking care of these kids. Meanwhile, the actual child 483 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: laws that exists in this uh uh, you know that 484 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: that exists in the rutcher are completely useless because regulatory 485 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: agencies are taking one of two approaches. Either they do nothing, 486 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: or they spend some time investigating so they can get 487 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: a cut of the child labor money by issuing a 488 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: fine to the company. 489 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: Oh are you fucking kidding me? It gets worse than worse. 490 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: Now and this is the fun part. Merely taking a 491 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: cut of the child labor money or doing nothing, those 492 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: are those might arguably be the best case scenarios. Because 493 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: the other thing that happens, and the Washington Post has 494 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: been talking you did a very good report about this, 495 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: is the other thing they do is, you know, either 496 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: they effectively enter the revshare agreement with the contractors who 497 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: are hiring these fucking human traffickers, or they do raids. 498 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: And the product of these raids is you put, is 499 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: they put the families of the kids who are doing 500 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: the child labor in prison or deport them, and then 501 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: they do nothing about the actual you know, so a 502 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 1: lot of what's happening is this is happening through contractors, right, 503 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: so they'll find the contractor the parent company. Nothing will 504 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: fucking happen and the parents of these kids, who also 505 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: like cannot fucking survive, and in a lot of cases 506 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: are doing this because literally they do not have enough 507 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: money to pay rent or buy food for their kids. 508 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: Those people are getting fucking set to prison. Are the 509 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: only people, by the way, again, the only even even 510 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: though all of these companies are systematically hiring children, they 511 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: are getting children killed. The only people going to prison 512 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: are the families of the fucking kids. 513 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 2: I not None of it makes sense, and it makes me. 514 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't really recover from any of this episode, 515 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: and I and I shouldn'to that is the reality, but 516 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: I just I don't know. It's it doesn't feel like 517 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 2: billionaires uh will ever lose it. I guess capitalism. 518 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: My analysis of this is that any world that allows 519 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: us to happen is intolerable and should be burned to 520 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: the ground. 521 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 2: I agree, Oh, I agree. I think we're ready for 522 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 2: the rapture. But by that I just mean like the 523 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 2: sun exploding into us and everyone dying. 524 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna read a bit more, because you know, 525 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: the horrors never end. Here was in the Washington Post. 526 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: The Grand Island teens had been hired to scour blood 527 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: and fat from slippery quote kill floors, using high pressure hoses, 528 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: scalding water, and industrial foams and assets. According to the 529 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: Labor Department in federal court records, they sanitize electric knives, 530 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: fat skimmers, and one hundred and ninety pounds saws used 531 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: to split cow carcasses. According to court records, some students, 532 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: and again when they say students, they're not talking about 533 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: college students, they're talking about middle and high school students 534 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: suffered chemical burns and we're so sleep deprived after working 535 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: their night shift, they dozed off in classes, according to 536 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: a local prosecutor in court records. When about the children, 537 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: like the actual kids who were supposed to be, you know, 538 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: the ones being saved by these by the fucking Department 539 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: of Labor raids, the Department of Labor pulled a it's 540 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: not my departments, and we're like, yeah, fuck it, we 541 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: don't know what happened to these kids. Hope they're okay, 542 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: have fun. And there's one more part of this Washington 543 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: Post article that I want to read just to sort 544 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: of like, I don't know. I think the big problem 545 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: with all of this coverage is that it's treating this 546 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: problem as if it's new. Yeah, this is sort of 547 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: like a unique product of like, oh, it's a tight 548 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: labor market in the pandemic. It's like, no, no, it's not. 549 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: Here's from the Washington Post. We have never in my 550 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: memory found the types of violations that are being found 551 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: and hazardous occupations that David wheel a professor of social 552 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: policy and management at Brandy's University who was a top 553 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: labor official in the Obama administration, it's outrageous. Now, this 554 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: is bullshit, Dream Wheels Obama administration, there was absolutely a 555 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: shit ton of migrant workers and by specifically migrant children 556 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: workers doing a bunch of incredibly dangerous and has in 557 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: his work. It's just that they were mostly in agriculture. 558 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: I mean some of them were also in slaughterhouses, right, Like, 559 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: some of the ship was already happening and nobody paid 560 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: attention to it, and it's gotten worse. But again, they 561 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: were also just a shit ton of kids fucking like 562 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: picking tomatoes in like one hundred and ten degrees in California. 563 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: That was always happening. It was always fucking happening. Obama 564 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: specifically made it worse because one of again, one of 565 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: the things about using immigrant child labor is that you like, 566 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: if you commit a labor violation against one of these 567 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: against against, against, against someone someone who is undocumented in 568 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: a child, what the fuck are they gonna do about it? Right? 569 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: They can't go to the government. If they go to 570 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: the government, they get deported. 571 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Obama, Yeah, the employers know that, I mean 572 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: employers yeah. Yeah, but like they know that they're control 573 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: of the situation. 574 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And Obama fucking helped them do it because he 575 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: deported so many people like Obama and this fucking guy 576 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: probably also too directly, was helping literally the worst abuses 577 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: of this system happen over and over and over again. 578 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: They were they were using you know, immigration. One of 579 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: the onli other things you can notice about these stories 580 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: is that if you if you look at the locations right, 581 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: most of the places with these not all, but a 582 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: lot of the place where these are happening are very 583 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: very anti immigrants. Southern border states, in southern states of 584 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: border states. And the reason or or places or some 585 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: places in the Midwest like Kansas or Nebraska, and a 586 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: lot of the reason why this stuff happens here, right 587 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: is you know, if you're if you're like, uh, if 588 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: you're a politician, right, and you know, and your your 589 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: allies are local business owners. You get, you get you 590 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: get to play this sort of like you get you 591 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: get to play both sides of the of the fucking spectrum. Right. 592 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: On the one hand, you get to you get to 593 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: keep hiring a bunch of undocumented immigrants, and on the 594 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: other hand, you whip up this like enormous social hystoria 595 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: about them so that all these people, you know, can 596 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: can be more effectively disciplined and crushed. Right, And everyone 597 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: fucking knows how this game works, right, Like all the 598 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: all the people with any real power like actually understand this. 599 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: It's it's why. It's why like the Justice Department or 600 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: like you know, all all the immigration agencies never go 601 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: after the companies you hire people. They only ever go 602 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: after the actual workers themselves. 603 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: Just so upsetting because like the most in their mind, 604 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: like the most helpful like useful person is the person 605 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: that has like the most to lose, and they know 606 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: that and use it against them for that reason. 607 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so it's just. 608 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: Fucked up in every possible way. 609 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: I don't know. 610 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also just a little silly, like you said 611 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: to just like think this just happened, Like this is 612 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: something that has clearly been building to this, you know 613 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 2: what I mean, I think anyone with a brain can 614 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 2: figure that out, because this kind of intricate system doesn't 615 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: just like pop up in a year or two out 616 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: of nowhere. It's been building it on itself. 617 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's yes, like yeah, like you're 618 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: you're definitely right. It's not just like yeah, it's been 619 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: building for ages like it was just it was deliberately 620 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: designed by those white people who like make a bunch 621 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: of fucking money from it. Right, they make slightly more 622 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: money if they fucking force a twelve year old to 623 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 1: clean the floor of a slaughterhouse than they do if 624 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: they force like a twenty two year old to do it. 625 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: And so they do. And the last mad yeah, and 626 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: the last thing that I want to sort of mention 627 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: about this, right is that a lot of these a 628 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: lot of the states where this stuff is happening, a 629 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: lot of the states that are passing these laws are 630 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: asso states that are like simultaneously passing like enormous rass 631 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: of anti trans legislation, like as part of their sow 632 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: called like protect the kids thing and you know, you 633 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: can talk about their hypocrisy of it, right, but I 634 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: think the important thing to understand here is that protect 635 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: the kids was always racialized, Like they don't give a 636 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: shit about the kids dying and meatpacking plants because they 637 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: aren't white, right, their immigrant kids who these Freese want 638 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: to fucking kill anyways, and if those kids die in 639 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: the job, nobody gives shit, right. 640 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 2: So it makes it's it's upsetting also because the majority 641 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: of these kids, I don't want to say majority, I 642 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 2: don't want to speak for anybody, but I feel like 643 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 2: these kids also they need to work in their minds, 644 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like they're like, I have 645 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 2: no other choice, no one's helping me. This is the 646 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 2: only option I have. And it just becomes this like 647 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 2: snaky in its own tail bullshit where it's just I 648 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: don't know, it's there's no there's no good out for 649 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 2: them because no one's fucking helping them and their family's 650 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 2: not there, and they need to fucking survive. So it's 651 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 2: this thing where it's like they're consenting to it in 652 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 2: a in a sick way, like not because they not 653 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 2: because they're consenting to it because they want to because 654 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: they need to to survive, and the people that are 655 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 2: in power know that and take advantage of it. And 656 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: I don't know, the lack of empathy across the board 657 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 2: is just inhumane and disgusting and I hate that. 658 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's that's all I have, other than 659 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: a general exportation that like every single part of the 660 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,399 Speaker 1: system that produces this, the entire border regime, the US 661 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: labor regime, the regime, the sort of family regimes that 662 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: this stuff relies on, like, all of it needs to 663 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: fucking go, and we need to do it before another 664 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: kid gets fucking killed on a factory floor. 665 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a hard time not feeling like it's 666 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 2: too big and it's I'm too helpless and there's nothing 667 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 2: to do. But I think stuff just raising awareness and 668 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 2: not pretending this doesn't happen here or just started happening, 669 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 2: I think that's a good step in the right direction. 670 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 2: I don't know. 671 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: I think one way to look at it is that 672 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: like there there there have been regimes that are a 673 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: lot more powerful and a lot sort of a lot 674 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: more willing to kill that have been brought down and 675 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: have COLLA don't exist anymore. So, you know, as as 676 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: as bad as everything looks on any given day, right, 677 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 1: Like people people have done this before, they'll do it again, 678 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: and you know it's at some at some point they're like, 679 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: we will hit a point where it's fucking too much, 680 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: it seased to be, You're right, and our responsibility is 681 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,280 Speaker 1: to get everyone to that point. 682 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it takes longer when the like insidiousness 683 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 2: or the evilness is more subtle quote unquote you know 684 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like when it's not so outright in 685 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: your face. It's almost like it really takes longer to 686 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 2: burn out. And yeah, we're just in that burning out phase. Yeah, 687 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 2: well glad I enjoyed. 688 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is going to make it happen here, 689 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: wage war against the capitalist system and the people who 690 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: kill children for money. It could happen here as a 691 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: production of cool Zone Media. 692 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 693 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 2: coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 694 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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