1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Second hour of The Clay Travis and 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show gets going right now, everybody. We are 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of fights over religious liberty play out 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: with currently a amendment voted down by or I should 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: it's not voted down, it's stalled, or was it voted down? 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Let me make sure I get the verbiage right here. Yes, 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: the Democrats blocked, I should say they blocked an amendment 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: for the Respect Respect for Marriage Act that would add 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: additional protection for religious institutions and for effectively religious belief 11 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: to not be engaged in compelled speech or to violate 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: core principles and tenets of their beliefs. So that's going 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: on right now. In the background of what we're about 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: to tell you here, on the legal side, there is 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: this Respect for Marriage Act that is supposed to be 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: a codification of oberg Fell, the Supreme Court decision that 17 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: then declared that same sex marriage was constitutional. And here 18 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: we are now seeing this play out through the legislature. Well, 19 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: you also have this case that was heard yesterday. It's 20 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: very interesting and we'll try to break it down into 21 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: into ways that doesn't get a little two in the 22 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: weeds on the legal side, but it really does, I 23 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: think matter as well, and tells us where all of 24 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: this is going when it comes to the First Amendment, 25 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: particularly as it pertains to speech, but also free exercise 26 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: of religion and religious freedom. So you have this case 27 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: Clay three h three Creative LLC versus Elanis. I think 28 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: I read this not listening to orld arguments. I read 29 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: the transcript of it, and here's what is that issue 30 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: you had in Colorado? Once again Colorado. Just like Masterpiece 31 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: Cake Shop, this isn't help growth of that case. They 32 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: are connected. So for people out there who remember the 33 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: cake baking case, this is the next evolution of that. 34 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: So the central dispute here is public accommodations law versus 35 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: compelled speech. And what happened was a three O three. 36 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: Creative is a company that builds websites. Web designer Laurie 37 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: Smith has this studio three oh three Creative. They make websites. 38 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: Four weddings. I've been do enough weddings to see this. 39 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, you know, Bob and Tammy are 40 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: getting married, and like here's their registry and here's the 41 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: information and that kind of stuff. So Laurie Smith wanted 42 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: three oh three Creative Lle Limited Liability Corporation to be 43 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: able to put on her website preemptively that she didn't want. 44 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: This was just argued yesterday Supreme Court. I will say 45 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: that even in the transcript, it comes across that justice 46 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: is Jackson and Soda Mayor are ferociously hostile toward this 47 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: position that has been taken here and just in general, 48 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: I mean for them, there is no anybody who doesn't 49 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: see marriage, you know, gay marriage, same sex marriage, heterosex 50 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: or traditional marriage is all the same. They views as 51 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: a bigot along the lines of somebody who opposes interracial marriage, 52 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: for example. They see no distinction. The justices I think 53 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: make that those two justices make that very clear in 54 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: their view of it. But Clay, this Laurie Smith wants 55 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: to put on her website that she will not create 56 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: websites for the weddings of same sex couples ahead of time, 57 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: and then linked to here are some other great web 58 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: designers that will do this for you. And so she's 59 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: bringing the case because she wants to know whether this 60 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: is legal or not under the Colorado statutes that apply. 61 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: And what I think was really interesting was the back 62 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: and forth over both sides agree that providing chairs, providing 63 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, sandwiches, you know, a number of things, provision 64 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: of basic services can't be You can't discriminate whether or 65 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: not you're gonna sell chairs to somebody's wedding because you 66 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: don't agree with the wedding. But is it speech to 67 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: create a website that will talk about a wedding? And 68 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: there was a lot of back and forth over this one, 69 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: and there's there's a big takeaway we can get into here, 70 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: but this this is the legal weeds, Clay, what did 71 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,119 Speaker 1: you find in them? I love this case. Okay, so 72 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: the warrior in me when you are this is like 73 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: a law school hypothetical. So most the warriors, if you're 74 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: interested in law school at all, the way that you 75 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: get your grade is an end of the semester zam 76 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 1: most of the time, and that end of the semester 77 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: exam will give you an unsettled, oftentimes legal hypothetical that 78 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: you have to analyze as if you are a lawyer 79 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: and Buck, this reads like a legal hypothetic question to 80 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: me as I work through it and think about this 81 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: from a judge perspective. What the distinction here has to 82 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: be made is between unique talent versus generalized work. And 83 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: let me explain that in a little bit more of 84 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: a concrete fashion. So, Buck, you and I will sometimes 85 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: give speeches, right, We'll be paid, we'll go to different 86 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: parts of the country, and we'll speak to groups. We 87 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 1: are available to be booked on websites. Typically speakers are, 88 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: but we don't accept every single opportunity. Maybe it's because 89 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: the schedule is booked that's typically for me, or I 90 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: don't want to go to that part of the country 91 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: because I've got a kids event that I'm going to 92 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: try to be at. Um. You know, there's all different 93 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: sorts of reasons why. And then sometimes maybe although it depends, 94 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: but I don't believe I've done this because you don't 95 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: agree with the group that wants you to speak. We 96 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: aren't compelled to take those offers. Similarly, if you are 97 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: a musician and you have a so maybe sometimes you 98 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: pay wedding play weddings, you don't have to accept every 99 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: web offering. So to me, what unites here for the 100 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: cake and also the website is the question of are 101 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: they creating a unique enough experience is the cake tailored 102 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: and created in such a unit it's website and now 103 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: it's a website, right, And they kind of dodge the 104 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: question on the cake, right, they kind of punted on 105 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: what exactly. I think they procedurally decided that understand it. 106 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: And it was six three. Keep in mind Colorado Federal 107 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 1: Circuit Court in Colorado and then Appeals Court in Colorado, 108 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: I guess was the ninth The ninth Circuit um ruled 109 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: against the Masterpiece cake shop and owner, and then eventually 110 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court came down sixty three in his favor. 111 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: But a lot of people point out Clay that that 112 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: outcome years of first of all, getting to be the wrong, 113 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: the wrong constitutional outcome twice from federal courts, uh first 114 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: to circuit, then appealed, and then having to go to 115 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. The process is the punishment at some levels. 116 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: And so and they haven't stopped, and people don't even 117 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: really know about this or should know more about it. 118 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: Then the activists, the sort of LGBTQ plus more extreme 119 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: activists even started showing up and they wanted him to 120 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: make you know, Satan cakes and you know that they're 121 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: really just you know, trying trying to constantly harass this guy. Um. 122 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: In this instance, she's claiming that the the creation of 123 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: the website is a creative act because of what she 124 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: puts into it and everything else. So if there was 125 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: an off the shelf website, yeah, you she could because 126 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: that was the cake holding was. If you have like 127 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: a cake, Let's say you got a lemon meringue, well 128 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: that's a pie. You've got a you know, a chocolate 129 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: strawberry frosted cake. The Masterpiece cake shop has to sell 130 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: it to a gay couple, for example, but they can't 131 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: make him write on it, you know, congratulations on your wedding, 132 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, Bob and Bill or whatever. That was essentially 133 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: the way this also would apply Buck, and I think 134 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting to me. It's the distinction between if there 135 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: is a unique creative element that you are bringing to 136 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: bear as a part of the production of your content, 137 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: then you can make choices about whom you decide to 138 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: work for. If you are, for instance, just doing like 139 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: your point there, if you have think about it, If 140 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: you're out there like me and you go into a 141 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: we buy a lot of ice cream cakes right for 142 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: kids because the kids love ice cream cakes for birthdays. 143 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: They have a lot of the ice cream cakes already prepared, 144 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: and it might say generically on it, happy birthday, and 145 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: you can just go take that out of the counter, 146 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: you take it up, you buy it. It doesn't have 147 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: any specified uniqueness to it. You should have to sell that, right, 148 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: Congratulations on your wedding. It's a generic cake that's already 149 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: available in your store. As soon as you are saying 150 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: I want this particular message written on it or a 151 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: specific design for that cake. To me, that's a unique talent, 152 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: and that's a distinguish. That, to me is the distinguishing. 153 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: That's the creative process that they that they found was 154 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: a distinguishing the same way that they can't have you right, 155 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: there is no God, for example, on a cake or 156 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: something like that. It's it's that's the compelled speech doctrine. 157 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: So you have compelled speech versus public accommodations, which is, 158 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, you can't say my restaurant will only serve 159 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, my restaurant will only serve Asian people. That's illague, right, right, 160 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: Or I will only rent my home to people of 161 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: Samoan ancestry or whatever it may be. You can't do 162 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: that so now when you get into okay, can you 163 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 1: preemptively exclude a protected characteristic from your creative services and 164 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: claim that the creative services our website design. It's getting 165 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: pretty deep into the and you know, even I could 166 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: tell the conservative I think they're going to find six 167 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: three in favor of three h three. I do believe 168 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: that we will see. We'll find out this spring. But 169 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: you could tell they were kind of like, well, if 170 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: it is it really a creative process. There was a 171 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: lot of poking around on that issue. But Clay, I 172 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: think the bigger takeaway from this, and this is why 173 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: it's interesting, that's so far the additional protection from the 174 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: Respect for Marriage Act, the protection for religious belief there 175 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: is a the activist wing within the LGBTQ plus agenda 176 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: will not be satisfied until essentially there will be lawsuits 177 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: against Catholic churches for not I mean it's going all 178 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: the way. There's not going to be some detent. There's 179 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: not going to be okay, fine, they will. There will 180 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: be activists, there will be left wing agenda that continues 181 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: to say I'm sorry. But the fact that the Catholic Church, 182 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: this is their position now just to be clear, but 183 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: their position is the fact that Catholic Church won't perform 184 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: same sex weddings is is unconstitutional and is big at it, 185 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: and they will not they will not stop. I think 186 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: that's what everybody should be prepared for. The ultimate plan 187 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: here is to sue Christian churches, particularly Christian religious institutions, 188 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: into submission over time until they've bend the knee. And 189 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: it's not just going to be on same sex weddings, 190 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: by the way, It's gonna it's gonna be on a 191 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: whole range of issues. But this is I think the 192 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: next frontier legally, and this is what you're you're seeing 193 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: continue to play out. And here's buck what I would say. 194 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: This is the warrior in me kind of hypothetically thinking forward. 195 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: What if the website designer had said, I won't and 196 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: I think they discussed this sum I won't make websites 197 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: for interracial marriages. I won't make websites for anyone other 198 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: than Asian people who are getting married. Right. I think 199 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: it becomes really kind of intriguing to analyze this as 200 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: you think about the ways that a creative person might 201 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 1: restrict who they are willing to work creatively for and 202 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: it's just a mess. You can see why they're trying 203 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: to craft a rule that will apply. This is one 204 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: of the things but that always have they argued just 205 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: on the interracial marriage point. This is important because this 206 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: came up multiple times in the task that they said. 207 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: The law has recognized up to this point that religious 208 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: objection to same sex marriage is an area of you know, 209 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: an area of religious liberty that effect there are that 210 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: has been established. It was even established in Obergfeld Bergerfeld. 211 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: And the issue obviously, the difference with interracial marriage is 212 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: there's no respect for in the law. I should say, 213 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: there's there's no carve out made for well, you can 214 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: be opposed to interracial marriage. So that was how they 215 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: argued it today. But to Yes, sixty years ago they 216 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 1: would have one hundred percent allowed that carve out. So anyway, 217 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: the way that you think about is what I'm saying 218 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: is they're they're trying to get they're going to try 219 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: to get rid of the religious exemption carve out too. 220 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, that's happening. I'm going to do. 221 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt. And what I would 222 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: say is one of the challenges of a Supreme Court 223 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: is are you writing a case for law professors or 224 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: you writing a case? 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I wanted to play this cut because 255 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: there have been more and more discussions out there about 256 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: whether or not Twitter employees could face criminal liability for 257 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: their covering up for their censorship of the Hunter Biden story. 258 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: In particular, they may well have lied to the Federal 259 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: Election Commission about why they made the decisions they did 260 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: based on some of the revelations that came out from 261 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: Elon Musk on Friday, and Ted Cruz discussed this very 262 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: situation on Fox News. I believe with Jesse Waters, listen 263 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: to this. Republicans won the House of representatives on election day, 264 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: which means in the House, and I'm working closely with 265 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: the Republicans in the House. We need to have real 266 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: and serious oversight examining this. We need to haul these 267 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: people before Congress to testify under oath. And anyone who 268 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: committed a crime should be prosecuted, and everyone who lied 269 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: under oath, they better be retaining lawyers because they're facing 270 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: real civil and real criminal jeopardy right now. I agree 271 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: with this. By the way, Buck also coming out of 272 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: Attorney General Eric Schmidt's lawsuit. He's the next senator from Missouri. 273 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: We had him on I think last week. Did you 274 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: see this? Anthony Fauci's daughter worked at Twitter, So that 275 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: could end up being really interesting going forward as we 276 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: get more and more revelations about COVID censorship that we're occurring. 277 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: The system takes care of itself well that I think 278 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: that's so that's so critical for people to understand that too. 279 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: A lot of times they'll say, oh, but what what 280 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: benefit is somebody getting from doing this? You know, and 281 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: they'll they'll they'll pretend in a lot of cases, if 282 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: you are a Democrat politician or you are somebody that 283 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: is doing the work of the Democrat Party. It's not 284 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: just you, your family members, your heirs. They get waved 285 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: into Harvard, even if they are moron like this happens 286 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: all across the board. They get jobs at Google and Amazon, 287 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: and they get hired by McKinsey and they get You 288 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: know this, this is the system we have to your 289 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: point about it taking care of its own and that 290 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: why did Fauci do what he did? Yeah, sure you 291 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: could say he's really old, and so what difference does 292 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: it really make to him, Because now Fauci's forever, they 293 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: will be waved in, his grandchildren, his great grandchildren, waved 294 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: into Harvard, even if they can't spell their names. It's true, unfortunate, 295 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: but that is what happens. And that's why we need 296 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: more investigations into everything surrounding Twitter, particular the FBI, because 297 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm still fired up about that. In the meantime, there's 298 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: an IRS program providing small business owners with a much 299 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: needed break this year. 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You're gonna 319 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: find a ton of traffic in New York. Uh. If 320 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: you ride around in one of those horse drawn carriages, 321 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to take out a mortgage usually to 322 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: pay for it. It's very expensive and goes very slow. 323 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: Handsome cabrite. You know, there's there's now a lot of 324 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: the bicycles. Is that the uh, the bicycles that pull people. 325 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: There's a lot of that going on. Yeah, oh yeah, 326 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: all that's now that they are bike lanes and they 327 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: blast very loud music, a lot of a lot of 328 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 1: a lot of Rihanna and bon Jovi from the bicycles 329 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: with the with the CPI, I forget, forget whatever you 330 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 1: call that. But the point is that the subway is uh, 331 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: it's it's the beating heart of New York City. Everybody 332 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: understands that America's largest city without the subway doesn't function. Well. 333 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: We've talked to you a lot about how much crime 334 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: there is on the subway in recent years, and this 335 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: ties directly into the policies of Sorrow's back prosecutors. And 336 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: this is mirrored and other you know, the San Francisco BART, 337 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: I think Bay Area, Trent Bay Area, rapid transit, I 338 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: think rapid transit. I was well trying to find what 339 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: the r was in the BART that that has had 340 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: a huge increase in crime and disorder on it. But 341 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: this is this is a new thing here right now. 342 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: The MTA of New York City to give you a 343 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: sense of how the city's doing. Is looking to do 344 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: a total redesign. New York Post with the report on this, 345 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: a total redesign of turnstiles and emergency exit gates for 346 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: the entire subway system, the biggest subway system in the 347 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: United States. They're trying to do it because I was 348 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: going to make Clay guests on the spot, but I 349 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: told them before, so that kind of defeats the purpose. 350 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: But even he was a surprise. He was as surprised 351 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: as I was. Five hundred million dollars of fair evasion 352 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: this year, all right, think about that. There is five 353 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars that should be in the city budget 354 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: that is now not in the city budget because people 355 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: are breaking the law. Now, the redesign of the subway 356 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: system is going to cost Heaven only knows how much 357 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: money is going to go into this, because right now 358 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: it's very easy. People just they jump over the turnstyle 359 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: turnstyle jumping. And this brings people back to the nineties 360 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: when this was one of the crimes that they cracked 361 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: down on and we ran the experiment. You know what 362 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: happens when you actually stop people and give them a 363 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: summons or even arrest if they jump the turnstile. You 364 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: actually end up coming into contact with a lot of 365 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: people who have outstanding warrants. Yeah, you come into contact 366 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: with a lot of people who might be wanted on 367 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: a serious crime, a rape, a murder, an armed robbery. 368 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: And you cut down on people scamming the subway system. Now, look, 369 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: I understand the first time somebody jumps a subway turnstyle, 370 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: we're not calling in a swat team here. But that's 371 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: not happening, all right. The opposite of this is happening, Clay. 372 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: I just think between the hundreds of millions of dollars 373 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: of theft that target the target stores have seen last year, 374 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: this is five hundred million dollars of theft via fair evasion. 375 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: The left in this country, and really a big portion 376 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: of the culture in America, has just decided that stealing 377 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: is okay, that stealing is somehow a redistribution of wealth, 378 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: that there's a social justice the baseline for this. People 379 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: doing fair evasions or not robin hood. They're not actually 380 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: taken from the rich and given to the poor. They're 381 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: saddling taxpayers with the short fall. The MTA short budgets 382 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: twenty billion a year. The short falls two point five 383 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: billion year in year rout When are we going to 384 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: enforce the law man? This is really what it comes 385 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: down to. Here's the way to think about this buck. 386 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: My understanding based on our producer Alley, is that it 387 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: costs two dollars and seventy five cents to ride the subway. 388 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: At five hundred million dollars in lost fairs, that would 389 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: mean that there are around one point four million dollars 390 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: worth of fair skippings going on every day. If that 391 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: is true, then my math would suggest that's around five 392 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: hundred thousand fair skips every single day in New York City. 393 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: That seems extraordinary, Like just running the math here, right, 394 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: because five hundred million dollars. Somebody can correct me if 395 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm my math is wrong. Five hundred million dollars in 396 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: losses is one roughly one point four million dollars in 397 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: fair skips per day, year round in New York City. 398 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: Given a cost of around two seventy five for each 399 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: of those, that would mean there are five hundred thousand 400 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: people skipping out on paying fares almost every single day 401 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: or routes. Right, It's probably the same people who are 402 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: sometimes doing it multiple times during the course of their trips. 403 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: But that's a lot. And for people out there who say, well, 404 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know it's a relatively minor offense. First 405 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: of all, taxpayers end up having to cover the five 406 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in losses because that isn't money that 407 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: goes into the budget otherwise for the larger public trust. Also, Buck, 408 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: I think the really big part here is the people 409 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: who are skipping out on paying two dollars and seventy 410 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: five cents to ride on the subway overwhelmingly are also 411 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: engaging in other criminal behavior. In other words, this is 412 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: not your average grandma who's sixty five years old pulling 413 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: herself up and jumping over the turnstyles. This is not 414 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: your average forty five year old at six am going 415 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: in to make his work that is jumping over the turnstyles. 416 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: These are people who are engaged overwhelmingly in criminal behavior. Well, 417 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: the people I think, I think the way to a friend, 418 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 1: that is, the people who are engaged in a lot 419 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: of crime are also engaged in turnstyle jumping. But a 420 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: lot of the people engage in turnstyle jump. I mean, 421 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: this has become so normalized play you know, you'll see 422 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: like fifteen year old fourteen year old kids, a bunch 423 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: of them right after school. They'll I've seen it. They'll 424 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: just hop over the turnstiles. They don't care. But I 425 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: do think that there's there's message in the same way 426 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: that graffiti in a city sends a message of lawlessness, 427 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: decay and just nobody gives a crap, meaning the people 428 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: in charge don't care. They're not doing anything about this. 429 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: When you're in a some way and you see people, 430 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: one after another jump in the turnstiles, usually having a 431 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: laugh about it. When you see that happening, it's a 432 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: reminder that there is an attitude of lawlessness and lack 433 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 1: of consequences for doing things that are clearly you know, 434 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 1: everyone knows just supposed to pay a subway fair. And 435 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: I just think that has corrosive effects all throughout, all 436 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 1: throughout society. This is why you know everything in uh 437 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: in CVS stores, you know everything in Walgreens underlock and 438 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: key in New York, wherever you go these days, fair 439 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: jumping all over the place, super aggressive panhandling people that'd 440 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: say give me twenty dollars and you just ignore them. 441 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: They start screaming explatives at you and you know, threatened 442 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: to you know, hit you with a hammer. I mean, 443 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: this is happening all over the place. People are tired 444 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: of it. It isn't amazing that the Democrats look at 445 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: the laws that they that they are super strict about. 446 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: It's oh yeah, you know, you take a selfie near 447 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi's congressional desk. Five years in federal prison for you, 448 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: but you know you're on your fiftieth arrest, You've done 449 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: a couple of armed robberies. You're just constantly a menace 450 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: to society. You're threatening old people walking down the subway steps. 451 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: You know, we don't want to be too harsh there 452 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: that buck. Think about the officers working in the subway, 453 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: given the lack of respect that you are getting from 454 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: the larger American population, to say nothing of the Alvin 455 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: Braggs of the world inside of New York City, do 456 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: you really want to try to chase somebody who is 457 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: fair skipping and get into a wrestling match with them 458 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: or try to somehow handcuff them when if somebody takes 459 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: a video, this is really important too violently You're in trouble. 460 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: What you're talking about is really important, Clay, because when 461 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: you have somebody who right now the politics and I 462 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: can speak to New York with the most clarity, but 463 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know name a city. This is probably 464 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: the case in major every major city in the country 465 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: right now. If a cop said, hey, stop, that's illegal, 466 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: and then decided to give chase to somebody who had 467 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: done a fair evasion and then try to put hands 468 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: on that person and there was some kind of a scuffle, 469 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't mean anything even goes really awry, but you know, 470 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: when you're met, when you're actually using force to detain 471 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: somebody and to handcuff them, who refuses to respond to you, 472 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: refuses to know to accept that police officers authority has 473 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: just willingly broken the law. We all know it. And 474 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: let's say that that person, you know, if they if 475 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: they get taken the ground, they do, you know, scuff 476 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: their head a little bit, there's a little bit of blood, 477 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: something like that happens. The city bureaucracy is going to 478 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: side with the the criminal, the lawbreaker every single time. Yep. 479 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: That's that's the attitude. Whether the attitude social media is 480 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: going to say, look at this awful, thuggish police officer 481 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: who tackled this guy and all he did was jump 482 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: over the few to pay his society of laws or not. 483 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: I spend so much time, Clay, the amount of time 484 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: I spend and I have I have an accountant, but 485 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: just like filling out paperwork on taxes and all this 486 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: stuff all the time, and it's always all you better 487 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: do this or else, you better do this or else. 488 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: But all these things that are making people's lives miserable 489 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: and putting people in danger and having a really negative 490 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: consequence to society as a whole. Look, the Libs the 491 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: Democrats constantly excuse this stuff. They constantly use criminality is 492 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: not a big deal, especially the quality of life stuff. 493 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: And eventually you're just like, why why does anyonet to 494 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: put up with this anymore? It's it's really the same 495 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: way that they want to be masked up. They want 496 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: to be told what to do. I think they like 497 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: the opportunity to virtue signal by saying, oh, well, you know, 498 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't really care if there's like lot, if everything's 499 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: under lock and cute might Dwayne read. As long as 500 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: we have criminal justice reform, I'm happy. They're lunatics. I 501 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,959 Speaker 1: know what else to say. This is why these things 502 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: aren't getting fixed faster beating a Larry Krasner DA in Philadelphia. 503 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: They're trying to get rid of him. So people do 504 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: get tired of this eventually. But that's what you. Krasner's 505 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: letting murderers out. I mean, he's he's a total maniac. 506 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: Zoros backed. Of course, the holiday shopping season is the 507 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: make or break time a year for so many retailers 508 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: and online businesses. 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We were just 532 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: talking about crime and the impact of not enforcing the 533 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: law when you have something that is relatively minor, like 534 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: someone skipping over and not paying the two dollars and 535 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: seventy five cents to ride on the subway. I also 536 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: just saw this story which ties in from just down 537 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: the coast a little ways there. Crime has gotten so 538 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: bad in Philadelphia that a gas station owner in Philadelphia 539 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: decided to hire his own security. This guy, Neil Patel, 540 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: is the owner of a Carco gas station in North Philadelphia. 541 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: His business has been vandalized and robbed so often. The 542 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: stores ATM machine has been stolen that, he said, the 543 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: heck with relying on the Philadelphia police. He now has 544 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: heavily armed Pennsylvania guards kevlar vest big guns, and he 545 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: told Fox twenty nine in the Philadelphia area, we're tired 546 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: of this nonsense with robbery, drug trafficking, hanging around games. 547 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: You can argue, Buck, and I don't think it would 548 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: be a tough argument to make that of all the 549 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: cities in America right now, per capita, Philadelphia maybe the 550 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: most dangerous in the entire country. They're setting new records. 551 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: Unfortunately for murders. They police are not able to protect people. 552 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 1: And this is where you end up when a city 553 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: is so unsafe that a business owner, this guy Neil Patel, 554 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: who owns a gas station in North Philadelphia, finally says, 555 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm done with this. I don't feel this is safe 556 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: for my customers or my employees. I'm going to have 557 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: to go out and hire private security. You know who 558 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: does this all the time? Buck, Congressional members who have 559 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: been telling us we got to defund the police, they 560 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: all go higher their own private security guards. I think 561 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: it's sad, but I applaud a business owner who's got 562 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: a successful enough business that they can handle the cost 563 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: of needing to hire private security to go do it 564 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: to protect their customers and their employees. Since he did 565 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: it buck no crime. Yeah, I mean, what a shock 566 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: when you have a guy standing there who's paid an 567 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: arm to make sure that there's no robberies going on, 568 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: you get fewer robberies. You can do this, you know, 569 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: would be fascinating, Clay if we could run an experiment 570 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, in a neighborhood that is known to have 571 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: a fair amount of crime, where we have this approach 572 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: of mister Patel, I believe he said his name is 573 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: who is smartly hiring an armed guard to protect the 574 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: premises and allow people his patrons to conduct business safely. 575 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: Or we can just have somebody who with a big 576 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: sign declares their gas station a gun free zone. And 577 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: I just want to know which one would you feel 578 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: more comfortent. I think we all know the answer, everybody, 579 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: but it it'd be really interesting to see this play 580 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: out and then watch the watch the Libs try to explore, Oh, 581 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: there's not it's not the government and the government declares 582 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: a gun free zone, and no, no, that's the same 583 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: same principle. Times Square still has those dumbass signs up. 584 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: They brought them in to have these electronic signs. This 585 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: is a gun free zone and Times Square because really 586 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: New York City in particular has been a Second Amendment 587 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: free zone for as long as I've been alive. They 588 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: don't care that it doesn't work. They just care that 589 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: they get their way. Unfortunately, that's that's what you see 590 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: with the gun grabbing libs all over the place. I 591 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: bet also buck this business owner's business. In addition to 592 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: limiting the crime and making his employees safer, I bet 593 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in North Philadelphia who go 594 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: to this gas station now because they have armed security. 595 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a woman and you're driving around 596 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: in North Philadelphia, given the rates a violent crime that 597 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: are going on right now, do you want to be 598 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: getting out of your car and trying to pump gas 599 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: when you're worried that you might have to look over 600 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: your shoulder because somebody might run up and attack you. 601 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: If you're a guy and you're making that decision, if 602 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: you're a parent and you've got kids in the back 603 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: of your car and you need to fill up with gas, Buck, 604 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: I've told this story before. I told my wife, Hey, 605 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: I don't want you filling up by yourself with gas 606 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: in downtown Nashville right now. I've never told her that 607 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: we've been married almost twenty years. Because of rates of 608 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: violent crime that are rising everywhere. And I know there's 609 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: a lot of dads and I know there's a lot 610 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: of husbands out there that are having the same conversation. 611 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of moms and dads telling 612 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: their teenage kids, Hey, fill up by here, it's safer, 613 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: don't fill up the gas station in downtown. Don't be 614 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: going late at night. These are elements of thought that 615 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: for many of us, we hadn't really had to think 616 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: about for a very long time because violent crime was down. 617 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: Now that it's coming back up, these are conversations that 618 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: people are having all over the country. It's important. It's 619 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: important that people understand, you know, things that everyone needs 620 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: to be teaching their kids, personal safety and personal finance. 621 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: I'll just put it out there. Society does a really 622 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: bad job on both of those things. Yeah, you know, 623 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: you gotta learn it. All the adults listening, No, you 624 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: probably maybe your dad taught it to you, but or 625 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: your mom, but they learned it on their own a 626 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: lot in a lot of cases, if you just you know, 627 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: if you're hoping that like the public school system, the 628 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: media and TikTok is going to teach you how to 629 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: be safe on the streets and how to manage your money, 630 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: you're gonna be in for a rough one. You're also 631 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: going to be in a rough one if you don't 632 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: listen to our next guest, Senator Ran Paul is going 633 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: to join us from the great state of Kentucky. He's 634 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: been reelected. He wants to hold Fauci accountable, and he 635 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: wants all everybody who lost their job over the COVID 636 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: shot that our military to get their jobs back. What's 637 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: the latest on that. We'll discuss with him coming out 638 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 1: next