1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: This is crazy, all right. We just found out about 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: this from our Riot or Die super producer, the one 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: and only Paul Mission Controlled decond And I think the 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: news bold us over right, guys, which is what did 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: we just learn about? Well, I'll just read you the 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: headline here from NBC News RFK assassin see your hand, 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: b see your Hand recommended for parole, but decision not final. 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: So the guy who murdered Robert Kennedy maybe getting out 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: of jail if he did murder Robert Kennedy, if he did, 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: if he was acting of his own volition, if he did. 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: But either way, how badasses it have to the same 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: first name and last name. You gotta give the guy 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: proms for that alone. Definitely. And in this episode that 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: we recorded in we look at Robert Kennedy's death and 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: we kind of, you know, as as many do, we 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: connected back to the nineteen sixty three assassination of his 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: brother and just look at some of the weird things 18 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: that happened. Was it a coincidence that both brothers died? 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: We'll find out as we listen through this episode From 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: UFOs two Ghosts and Government cover Ups Histories widdled with 21 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want me to now. I have a 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: short announcement which I will read at this time. Senator 24 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: Robert Francis Kennedy died at one am today June With 25 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: Senator Kennedy at the time of his death was his 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: wife Ethel, his sisters Mrs Patricia Lawford and Mrs Stephen Smith, 27 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: his brother in law Stephen Smith, and his sister in 28 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: law Mrs John F. Kennedy. He was forty two years old. 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: Frank make Aways Kennedy Press Secretary, as reported by The 30 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: New York Times June six, thank you for that reading, Mole. Yeah, 31 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: that was fantastic. Absolutely, Welcome back to the show, every one. 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. I'm Ben. And that dramatic reading 33 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: you heard at the top of the podcast comes from, 34 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: of course, our super producer, Noel the second Gunman Brown. 35 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 1: Most importantly, however, you're here. Welcome to stuff they don't 36 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: want you to know. Yes, welcome to you now. Forty 37 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: seven years ago today on June five, Robert F. Kennedy 38 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: was assassinated. And what what you heard was uh Noel 39 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: reading that announcement. Um, it was a very Somber Day, 40 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: and today we're gonna talk about the this assassination. We're 41 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: gonna look at the official stories. We're gonna look at 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: the alternative theories and also the current theories about what 43 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: really happened. Yes, some more recent stuff. But as somebody 44 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: said to Alice at the tea party, let's start at 45 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: the beginning. We'll go through the middle, we'll stop at 46 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: the end. That sounds great if this story hasn't end. 47 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: Did that ALICEO Wonderland reference work? Think? I think so? 48 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: I just I don't remember who said it, the mad 49 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: Hatter or the dormouse. The dormouse didn't do that much. 50 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: I know that because I played the dormouse one time 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: in a in a high school thing. Oh really, yeah 52 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: it was. It was a shining moment. Do you have 53 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: a video of that? Uh? No, absolutely not. Okay, so no, Um, 54 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: but we can always just stage our own, right, absolutely 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: where an Alice short? I think? So? Uh, let's go 56 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: ahead and get some background here, just a very high 57 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: level thing. Now, this is an issue we should disclaim first. 58 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: This is an issue that you and I have talked about, 59 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: uh for for a while. We had an earlier video 60 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: that came out on this. We did. We had an 61 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: earlier video specifically on Robert Kennedy's assassination focused it focused 62 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: on sire and sirehand and the idea of a Manenturian candidate, 63 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: which we will get too later. But we really want 64 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: to start at the beginning here and talk about who 65 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: rf he was, why why it was an extremely important 66 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: and sad day when he was shocked, And of course yes, 67 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: it is an important and tragic time every in every 68 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: instance where someone dies by gunfire or by violence. Absolutely, 69 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: I guess I should say, um, I don't know it. 70 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: He had the possibility to make large changes and and 71 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: he even made it in several of his speeches. He 72 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: spoke about this idea that a lot of people can 73 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: make a difference in their local area and in small events, 74 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: but very few people will have the ability to make 75 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: changes on a wide, almost worldwide basis. Right, And this 76 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: is such a this is such an involved and examined topic, 77 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: this assassination, that we want everybody to know from the 78 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: top that we're not going to be able to get 79 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: to everything. So instead of asking at the end, we 80 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: would like to ask here at the beginning, and probably 81 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: a little bit later for you guys to reach out 82 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: to us at our email address, our Facebook and our 83 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: Twitter conspiracy stuff at the Facebook and Twitter conspiracy how 84 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: stuff works for the email and let us know if 85 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: there's some other theories you think we should bring up, 86 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: let us know if there are some corrections, and uh, 87 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: let us let us know you know what you think personally, 88 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: even if you don't have any proof, that's okay. We 89 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: just want to hear other opinions, all right. So here 90 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: with that long preamble. And I learned a fancy word 91 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: for that, by the way, it's such a useless word, 92 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: are you ready? Pro lagominon pro logmin on like pro lego, 93 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: manon nic. It means brief introductory remarks, so almost prologue, huh, 94 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: like the phenomenon of a prologue. Very nice and I 95 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: may be mispronouncing it, sorry everybody. So here we are. 96 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: Robert Francis Kennedy, whom we will refer to as RFK 97 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: for most of this podcast, was born in November of 98 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: nineteen five. Now, he was the son of privilege. There's 99 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: no way around that. He was born into the Kennedy dynasty, 100 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: which had risen from you know, bootlegging Uh, that's that's 101 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: one of the big allegations and stories. But at the 102 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: time he was born, the Kennedy family was already pretty 103 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: well established, and he took one of them. He took 104 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: a fairly standard but uh, spotless well done trajectory that 105 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: you see a lot of young people born into political 106 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: dynasties or families with political aims taking right, Yeah, that's right. 107 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: He served in the U. S. Naval Reserve from nineteen 108 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: forty four to nineteen forty six. He went to Harvard 109 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: and the University of Virginia School of Law. He also 110 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: worked at the Boston Post and as an attorney in Washington, 111 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: d c. Right, And in nineteen fifty one he began 112 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: working for the Internal Security section of the U. S. 113 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: Department of Justice is Criminal Division, and by June of 114 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: the next year he resigned to manage his brother Jack 115 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: his campaign for the Massachusetts Senate. Now, this was his 116 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: first and official launch into his political career, right, and 117 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: that campaign for the Senate seat in Massachusetts was successful. 118 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: There are there are a lot of Kennedy brothers here, 119 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: so we're going to refer to some of them as 120 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: first names. But there's one that you knew of course 121 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: we had mentioned ladies and gentlemen, and that is John F. Kennedy. 122 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: When Robert's brother, John F. Kennedy won the nineteen sixty 123 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: presidential election, he John I mean appointed his brother Robert 124 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: to the position of attorney general, despite the fact that 125 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Robert didn't have experience in state or federal court. Yeah, 126 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: that's right. Kind of a little strange, but I guess 127 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: expected when you have those kind of ties at that level. Yeah. 128 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: But then also, regardless of where you like to place 129 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: yourself in political ideology, it's I personally don't think it's 130 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: the best practice for something purporting to be a republic 131 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: or meritocracy to uh to to rely on nepotism, but 132 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: to be able to even do that, right, But this 133 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: is again, this is a story where we know very 134 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: little of the behind the scenes stuff. Sure, I just 135 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: wanted to make that absolutely and rf K didn't do 136 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: a bad job. That's what I wanted to get to. So, 137 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: even though there was some nepotism going on in his 138 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: appointment to this to this level, he made a name 139 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: for himself. He he went in there, he started fighting 140 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 1: organized crime, corruption, even institutionalized racism. Yeah, like prosecuting corrupt teamsters, 141 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: working with civil rights movements. You can find pictures of 142 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: him with Martin Luther King Jr. Yeah, he was basically 143 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: making a lot of enemies on all sorts of different fronts, right. Yes, 144 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 1: Also he was often seen in many of social circles 145 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: as a hero of people who are typically marginalized. There's 146 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: a twist here, of course, which you all see see coming. 147 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: In ninety three, on November two, the standing President John F. 148 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: Kennedy was assassinated, and Robert Kennedy, like many other people 149 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: at the time, was certain that multiple folks were involved 150 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: in this murder, not just Lee Harvey Oswald. Oh yeah, 151 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: he was suspicious of the mob, of the CIA, even 152 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: even of LBJ, at least there that he was. He 153 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: was rumored to be suspicious of LBJ. Right, And there 154 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: was suspicion of possible Soviet involvement, uh anti Castro Cuban factions, 155 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: any of the groups you and I just named working together. 156 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: And you know, of course, we know that kind of 157 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: speculation thrives after an important death. There are people who 158 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: will tell you that l of this was still alive 159 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: until quite recently, and I know that's not a great comparison. 160 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: But but I'm saying these opinions that he had, or 161 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: these beliefs, were not by any means unreasonable at the time. No, 162 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: And and there are a lot of people who are 163 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: close to him at the time that have said that 164 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: he was he felt personally responsible for the death of 165 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: his brother because of the enemies he was making as 166 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: the Attorney General. It's fascinating stuff and for me, it's 167 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: it's kind of sad to think about that mind state 168 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: of where he must have been when he find out 169 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: found out about his brother. Yeah. So in nineteen sixty five, 170 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy became a senator, New York Senator, and in 171 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight he launched the presidential campaign and it 172 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: seemed to be going pretty well. Um yeah, that's March sixteenth, 173 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, and it was going very well. He 174 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: looked like he had a serious shot. You know. I 175 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: I talked to my parents about Robert Kennedy when we 176 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: first made our our video about him. And I think 177 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before or maybe in the Mentoring Canada 178 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: pod podcast, but how enamored they were with him at 179 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: the time because of he was, like you said, giving 180 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: the voice to people that hadn't really had one in 181 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: politics for a good long time, at least at that level. 182 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: And uh, man, it I don't know. I'm I'm not 183 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: getting choked up. I was getting choked up earlier. And 184 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: I hate to admit that, but I was getting choked 185 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: up watching these videos of him online giving speeches and 186 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: it makes me wish. It kind of reminds me of 187 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: the president President Obama's campaign when he was running where 188 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: I was just the ideas that were coming out of 189 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: that man's mouth made me want to believe in something better. 190 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: And I think that's what RFK was doing for that 191 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: generation at the time. Well. And also given the death 192 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: of his brother as a president, uh there's a great 193 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: sense of purpose or righteousness that I think transmit very well. Uh. 194 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: So he he had, um, he had a decent shot 195 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: at the presidency and we'll see how close he came. 196 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: But that stopped in June five, and stopped abruptly because 197 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy was also assassinated. He was shot by a 198 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: young man at the time named sir Han. Sir Han. 199 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: So our question here and the question that people asked 200 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: in the wake of the tragedy and almost fifty years later, 201 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: are still asking is this what happened? Well, here's the 202 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: official story. Like we said, things were looking pretty good 203 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: for our f k's presidential campaign. The Democratic primary elections 204 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: in California were on June four. The results were in 205 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: rfk's favor, that's fort to his opponent McCarthy's. And this 206 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: was this was the running for the Democratic candidate spot. Yes, uh, 207 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: and and just so we just I hate to throw 208 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: some cold water on there. But also let's keep in 209 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: mind that um Kennedy was facing what was considered an 210 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: unrealistic race against President Lyndon Johnson. Yes, because Lyndon Johnson 211 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: was popular as being seemed like carrying the torch and 212 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: absolutely awake of the JFK assassination. But still he in 213 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: terms of the democratic stuff he was he was cooking 214 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: with gas. So about four hours after the polls closed, 215 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: UM Robert went and spoke to his reporters at the 216 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: Embassy Room ballroom at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. 217 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: And the government provides this is this is really important. 218 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: The government provides secret Service protection for incumbents, right, but 219 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: not for candidates. Right. So if Lyndon B. Johnson is campaigning, 220 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: then he has Secret Service protection. But if his opponent 221 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy or Eugene McCarthy campaigning, then they don't get 222 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: that automatic protection. Instead, RFK had three security people, an 223 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: FBI agent named William Barry and two former pro athletes 224 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: who were sort of unofficial bodyguards. Now, RFK was planning 225 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: to mingle with some of his supporters in the ballroom 226 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: before going to this other gathering in the same hotel. 227 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: But journalists wanted this press conference. They got deadlines. Well yeah, 228 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean, well, you want to get a piece of 229 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: just a little something, maybe one or two lines from 230 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: the guy who might win in this election, and you 231 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: know that's that's a big deal for a journalist. Well, sure, 232 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: it's a big deal, but it's also expected. You don't 233 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: get bonus credit for it. You get fired if you 234 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: don't do your job. That's exactly right now are rfk's 235 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: campaign Stafford Fred Dutton asked RFK to skip the second meeting, 236 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: take a shortcut through the hotel kitchen. But this basically 237 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: behind the ballroom where the employees travel, and he was 238 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: gonna get there, go basically take a shortcut to meet 239 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: the press. Okay, to get to the press area. No, 240 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: that's a great question if you're asking it. Why didn't 241 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: they just go to the regular way? Why take the shortcut? 242 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, RFK popular guy, always a people person, 243 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: and apparently he was always pausing to press the flesh, 244 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: shake the hands, kiss the babies as so it could 245 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: be tough to get him in and out places. You 246 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: really had to had to guide him as a hand. Yeah, 247 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: you really got to be hands on with him, right, 248 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: And so he was pausing to meet people as they 249 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: were walking through the kitchen, which you know, I think 250 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: is cool, is the idea of meeting somebody who might 251 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: one day be president. As he was shaking hands with 252 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: an employee named one Romero, a bus boy, uh, a 253 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: guy rushed from beside the ice machine, a young man 254 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: named Sir Hans sura Han firing a twenty two caliber 255 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: Ivor Johnson Cadet revolver. Now RFK got shot three times. 256 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: One bullet entered his head behind his right ear, the 257 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: other two at the rear of his right armpit, and 258 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: the second bullet exited his chest. But the third one 259 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: stuck in his neck, so he is conscious. He is lucid. 260 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: The first one of the first things he's asking when 261 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: people are talking to him, Sir Han, Sir Haun, by 262 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: the way, is instantly like tackled to the ground. Uh. 263 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: They're asking the first thing he asks everything? Is everyone safe? 264 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: Are they okay? Uh? He's rushed off to try to 265 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: sit in an attempt to save his life. Uh. They 266 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: do about four almost four hours of surgery on him. 267 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: I want to say, like three hours forty minutes. But 268 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: despite their efforts, he died on one am June six, 269 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: about twenty six hours later at two am. UH. The 270 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: Frank Mankowitz, the spokesperson for the campaign, made the official 271 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: statement that Noel interpreted for us at the top of 272 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: the show. Searhan. Searhan is as of this recording, currently 273 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: sentenced to life in prison the Richard J. Donovan Correctional Facility. 274 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: So let's get into this. What what's the motivation? Why 275 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: would Seran Sarin do this? What we know is that 276 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: Seran Serin was a Palestinian Christian with Georganian citizenship, and 277 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: investigators at the time believed that he murdered Rfk, or 278 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: at least shot RFK for because of the candidates support 279 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: of Israel, which he saw is endangering the population of Palestine. 280 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: He was very young at the time, he was only 281 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: twenty four. One of the chief pieces of evidence for 282 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: this that you can read is that his diary contained 283 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: evidence of pre meditation, including written phrases like RFK must 284 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: die over and over, Robert F. Kennedy must be assassinated 285 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,239 Speaker 1: over and over uh, and sometimes citing specifically that this 286 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: murder must occur before the fifth of June ninety eight. 287 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, guys, Assassinations can happen for all 288 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 1: sorts of reasons, and this is a perfectly believable one. 289 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: People have been shot historically for less, so why don't 290 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: people even today believe that this is the whole story. 291 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: We'll get to that in just a moment, but first 292 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break for a word from 293 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. Now, we can't 294 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: do all of these We talked about that earlier, so 295 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a high level approach um. And like 296 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: Ben said, please write in for any more details or 297 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: any other conspiracies you think we missed here or you 298 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: would like to see us cover in the future. I'm 299 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: sure there are quite a few. Oh yeah, we could 300 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: probably make an entire separate podcast, not like an episode, 301 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: but a whole podcast. Yes stuff RFK and JFKs killers 302 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Yeah, we could have a 303 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: new episode every week. But until that happens, if it does. 304 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: Here are a few of the most common, let's call them, 305 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: alternative theories to the story worry behind rfk's assassination, if 306 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: not both assassinations. So the first one is that the CIA, 307 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: the Central Intelligence Agency in the United States, is somehow involved. 308 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: There's a filmmaker named Shane O'Sullivan. He's made several pieces, 309 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: I believe on this on these subjects, and in one 310 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: of them he believes that or he he um, he 311 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: states with some evidence when he actually spoke with several 312 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: people who believe that CIA officers were present on the 313 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: night of rfk's assassination. Yeah right, I mean, I don't 314 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: mean like, yeah right sarcastically, but that's correct that O'Sullivan 315 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: says this. So these three guys again allegedly were identified 316 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: as c i A officers, senior officers who had worked 317 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: at the main ant castro station out there in Miami. 318 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: The three men listed were the chief Officer of Operations, 319 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: A fellow named David Morales, the chief of maritime operations 320 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: like I named Gordon Campbell, and the chief of psychological 321 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: warfare a guy named George Johanna didees. Also, we we 322 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: should point out that it would seem that several of 323 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: these claims were incorrect, specifically the one about Gordon Campbell, 324 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: because it would seem that he Campbell died of a 325 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: heart attack six years prior to this assassination. At least 326 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: there are records stating that he did. Yeah, and not 327 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: reck not records as in people's letters to each other, 328 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: records as in death certificates. So old. Sullivan's film also 329 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: features an interview with an attorney named Robert Walton, who 330 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: apparently worked with or for David Morales at some point. 331 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: Walton says in the film, I quote, I was in 332 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: Dallas when we got The Son of A and I 333 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 1: was in Los Angeles when we got The Little Bastard. 334 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, no I I thought we could say bastard, 335 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: can we save Bastard? Noel. Of course you could say 336 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: bastard come on and yeah, that's yeah, Well we do. 337 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: Our beeps live here. Interesting thing about this film is 338 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: the CIA declined to comment There's an interesting note here 339 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: too that I'd like to make. It is true, ladies 340 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, that one of the reasons the term conspiracy 341 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: theory is so popular in the mainstream is that shortly 342 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: after the assassination of JFK, the CIA propagated some memos, 343 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: distributed some memos advising people on how to handle folks 344 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: who said the official story wasn't true. And one of 345 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: the big things they said is call it a conspiracy theory, 346 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: called them conspiracy theorists. That's a fact, and you can check. 347 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: I think you can find that actual document or a 348 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: copy of it online, right yeah. And since then, if 349 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: you hear in the news someone using the phrase conspiracy 350 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: theory or theorist, it just equates with sure, right, yeah, 351 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: because HSBC laundering money for drug cartels is the exact 352 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: same thing as a secret race of half reptile aliens. Yeah, 353 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: it's completely equivalent, pretty much. Yeah, apples apples there. But 354 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: O'Sullivan didn't stop at that one film. He produced another 355 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: film or created another film in two thousand seven. Yes, 356 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 1: that one was called RFK Must Die, and that updated 357 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: some of those earlier erroneous claims, including most particularly the 358 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: one about Gordon Campbell. So that's the that's part of 359 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: the CIA involvement. You'll also hear stuff about a woman 360 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: in a polka dot dress, which which I think will 361 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: be familiar to a lot of people have looked at this. Uh, 362 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: there's the theory of a second gunman next, which is 363 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: not mutually exclusive, right, No, no, not at all. Several 364 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: of these could be working together. Who knows, um. But 365 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,479 Speaker 1: in this one, authorities say that eight bullets were fired, 366 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: three hitting Robert Kennedy and the rest striking five other victims, 367 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: all of whom survived. Lawyers William F. Pepper and Laurie 368 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 1: Dussick claim analysis of audio recordings actually show that there 369 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: are thirteen shots that were fired from multiple guns, and 370 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: that's five more shots than sir Han could fire from 371 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: the twenty two that he had in his possession. Yeah, 372 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: because of the clip side, so that all of that 373 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: makes me go hum, yeah, but it's it's an audio recording, 374 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: so it's not It is completely true that Sir Hans 375 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: Sirhan was in there with a gun, fired it and 376 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: this politician died. That is inarguable. Sir Han and the 377 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: defense team have continuously or consistently appealed this stuff. Uh, 378 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: the Attorney General, Kamala Harris, was not persuaded by some 379 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: of these appeals, saying that the allegations fell short of 380 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: dismantling the prosecution's overwhelming case against him. And so, while 381 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: we're on the subject of Sir Hans Sirhan, which could 382 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: deserve its own podcast alone, we want to just talk 383 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: a little bit briefly about this Manchurian candidate thing that 384 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: you've heard us throw around a long time. Listeners. Well, 385 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: our show hasn't been on that long in the audio, 386 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: but well, I guess people have watched the videos for 387 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: a while too, are already familiar with this concept that 388 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: we did an audio show about the possibility of a 389 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: Manchurian candidate. What, Matt, what is that? What? What do 390 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: we mean when we say that? Well, the term itself 391 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: was popularized or even coined by Richard Condon in his 392 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: book from nineteen fifty nine called maturing candidate or the 393 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: Maturian candidate. And we again, we've talked about this a lot. 394 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: The definition really is an assassin who is kind of 395 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: an unwitting assassin who is unaware that they are an assassin, 396 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: either with through brainwashing or some other technique. This person 397 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: is convinced by a third party to murder someone else, 398 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: and they're usually activated somehow, like with a woman with 399 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: a polka dot address. When you see this woman, you 400 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: will need you will go and kill your target. Right. 401 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,719 Speaker 1: That's the idea that there's some sort of trigger word, 402 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: phrase or image. So do be cautious if a stranger 403 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: approaches you and whispers something very specific in your head. 404 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 1: But that's the thing, if you are a man turing candidate, 405 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: you aren't aware that you are, and you will have 406 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: no idea when someone whispers the trigger word to you. Right, 407 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: And for the vast majority of people, this is filed 408 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: under interesting yet complete BS because the thing here is 409 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: that it has not been proven in a scientific way. 410 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: There there's no solid, peer reviewed evidence that shows people 411 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: can be programmed to that level of sophistication. There is 412 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: evidence that shows you can easily influence people in ways 413 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: that don't understand. Like right now, I have a hot 414 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: cup of coffee in my hand. And there are a 415 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: couple of studies a show that if a stranger comes 416 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: in here right now and starts talking to Matt and 417 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: I and let's say Matt, you had a cold drink. 418 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: What's the kind of cold drink you would have? I 419 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: would have a sob Okay, so Matt has Matt has 420 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: a Soby ice cold delicious soby. I've got a I've 421 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: got a steaming cup of coffee. Then this study showed 422 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: that the temperature of the drink we are holding has 423 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: a measurable influence on our perception of this stranger. Matt 424 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: will be likely too. I know it sounds so dumb, 425 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: it does sound crazy, but Matt will be, according to 426 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: this research, more likely to be objective, maybe less likely 427 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: to be to empathize with them, whereas I will be 428 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: much warmer I'd be cold. There's also okay, just while 429 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: we're on it, this total tangent, but if you are 430 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: working at a job and you don't know a lot 431 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: of people and you want them to think you're a 432 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: team player, get a picture of a dog, frame it 433 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: and put it on your desk. It won't work if 434 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: it's a cat, and it doesn't matter if you're in 435 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: the picture. I mean, if you really want to be 436 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: a moral and un ethical about it, it doesn't have 437 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 1: to be your dog, although I think lying that way 438 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: will come back to bite you, and it's not a 439 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: good practice. And apparently that picture of a dog will 440 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: prime people to think of you as a trustworthy, loyal 441 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: team player. Wait, Ben, what I was thinking of some 442 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: pictures on your desk's yeah, yeah, that's no, that's a 443 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: real dog. It's a real dog. Is it your dog? 444 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: Moving on? So, sir Han has actually gone into this 445 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: manchurion candidate territory. I guess you would call it, because, 446 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: as we said, he was sentenced to life in prison. 447 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: He did not receive the death penalty. Uh. And he 448 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: has continued his uh, the appeals process. He claims he 449 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: has no recollection of the murder whatsoever. In an appeal 450 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven, his lawyers repeated this previous assertion 451 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: and they had reports from people they said were experts 452 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: who said that sir Han Sarhan was programmed through hypnosis 453 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: to fire shots as a diversion for the real killer. 454 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: And that was in the latest appeal uh two thousand eleven, 455 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: I believe denied officially in two thousand and twelve. That's 456 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: that is movie stuff right there. It sounds it sounds 457 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: like the plot of film. To write of a thriller 458 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: of political intrigue film, the idea that someone could be 459 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: programmed to do that sort of stuff and then in 460 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: the aftermath, which sir Han Sarhan argued, Uh, in the 461 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: aftermath have their memory wiped so that they don't remember 462 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: who told them to do it or how. It just 463 00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: seems complicated. It seems pretty convenient, I would say, um, 464 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: for as a story. Yeah, so that's a great that's 465 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: a great point. Is this a legitimate grievance? Is this 466 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: evidence of mental instability? And as as as other studies show, uh, 467 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: spending your life in prison is not conducive to one's 468 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: mental health? Or is this just a desperate, dishonest attempt 469 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: to gain freedom? Right? I mean maybe. Man, It's it's tough. 470 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: It's so tough to view from this angle, right, I 471 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: want to believe in some as it sounds horrible, but 472 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: I want to believe that something that fantastical could be real, right, 473 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: that there would be that sort of level of Um, 474 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess science or technology to to be 475 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: able to do something like that. Don't get me wrong. 476 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: He's terrifying. Yeah, it's terrifying and it's horrible. The way 477 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: if it's true, the way it was used, but I 478 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: wish I want to live in a world where things 479 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: like that are possible, like things that are otherworldly almost Uh. 480 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: Some people would say that you do. Unfortunately again at 481 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: this point, or maybe fortunately there's a better way to 482 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: put it there, there isn't any evidence that that level 483 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: of influencing a person can happen. Now. There's there is evidence, 484 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: of course of brainwashing, right, stuff like Stockholm syndrome, right, 485 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: and Patty Hurst joining the people who kidnapped her, right, 486 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: or people being members of cults or other organizations that 487 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: are similar to cults. And Darren Brown did well supposedly 488 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: demonstrate that he could create a mensuring candidate. Yes, yes 489 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: he did, yeah, and that is for television, for television, 490 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: of course, and that was a carefully controlled thing, so 491 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: it's not like he was setting this person out to 492 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: be triggered and assault people. However, what the big difference 493 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: here in this idea of a manuring candidate. It would 494 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: be that the manurion candidate exists as a separate um 495 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: Let's like a software program, like a hidden software program 496 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: or protocol inside a larger operating system of a human personality. 497 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: Whereas brainwashing usually the when people are brainwashed. They still understand, 498 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: like they remember what they're doing, they still understand the 499 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: concept of the past, the concept of the future. Right. Uh, 500 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: they're not some sort of automaton arguably, and we should. 501 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: I would love to talk to Occult the programmer or 502 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: something like that. What do you think so we've got 503 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: well tell us if you have any access to cult 504 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: the programmers that you think are legitimate, because we would 505 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: like to get their story out there. We have one 506 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: last one here, which is not not really fair, but 507 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: it was all a coincidence. Uh. When JFK was shot 508 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: in sixty three and when RFK was shot in sixty eight, 509 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: these were entirely unrelated incidents. Lone Madman, Lee Harvey Oswald, 510 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: Sirhan Sirhan assassinated these politicians and brothers for entirely separate reasons, 511 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: and they just happened to both be from the same 512 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: political dynasty very high in the ranks of US politics. 513 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: For me, one of the strangest things here is that 514 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: we didn't have presidential assassinations during the Great Wars in 515 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: World War One and World War Two in the US. 516 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: But then they they're two and we're okay. RFK was 517 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: not a president, but he was a presidential candidate, and 518 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: having two of them happen in just back to back 519 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: and being brothers, I don't know, right, And I think 520 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: that's an interesting point to make because we know that 521 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: while there have been numerous attempts to assassinate presidents um 522 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: more than twenty if we count former presidents, uh, that 523 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: that we know of, at least, uh, there have been 524 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: only four presidents that were successfully assassinated. That's Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, 525 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: and Kennedy. Now, other presidents were injured in attempted assassinations, 526 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: the most recent being Ronald Reagan, but the every single 527 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: president has been at least since John F. Kennedy has 528 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: been threatened by someone with an assassination. I think that 529 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 1: just goes with the job, honestly, in the way communication 530 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: is changing. Right. That's a really good point too, so 531 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: is it is it an entirely unrelated thing for some people? 532 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: The those different commonalities just are circumstantial but too strong 533 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: to ignore. But of course, you know, the truth is, 534 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: regardless of what happened, that both of these people were killed, 535 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: and it could have been a coincidence, at least according 536 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: to the official stories, which find no connection between the murders, 537 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: which comes back to um leads us to rather one 538 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of this show. Matt, I'm gonna 539 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: put you on the spot here. Okay, what do you think? 540 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: What do you think about this thing? Coincidence related, motivations, 541 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: possible players. Well, I I find myself being swayed a 542 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: little too easily when I watched documentaries. But there is 543 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: a lot of information that I've been finding, both in 544 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: JFK's situation and rfk's situation that makes me suspicious of 545 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson's administration. I'm not saying that he did it. 546 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: I am interested in connections between l vj's administration and 547 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: perhaps some of the people that RFK made enemies of 548 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: when he was Attorney General. And I don't know enough 549 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: about that right now, but I am That's where I'm 550 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: interested in looking. Yeah, he was anti War two, if 551 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: he ran on an anti war platform, if I recall correctly. Yeah, 552 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: for me, it's it's difficult because I want to you know, 553 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: I want all of the information right and it's still there. 554 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: There are still things that people don't agree on. But 555 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: in both cases, in both JFK's case and rf case case, 556 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: the official investigation is more or less close. You know, 557 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: the Warren Commission did their bit. Um, there were investigations 558 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: into rfk's death, and they plan it squarely on Sirhan 559 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: Sirhan Um. I'm just um. I'm perplexed. I think most 560 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 1: by the fact that Sara and Saran is still alive 561 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: and imprisoned and filing appeals using the appeal process, uh 562 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: continually or when whenever the opportunity presents, and saying that 563 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: he was saying that he was brainwashed and then brain white. 564 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: You know, that's spooky stuff. Yeah, but he's just a 565 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist. Then he's well people would say he's just 566 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: a convicted murderer trying to trying to get out, right. 567 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: So now we're going to pass the question to you, 568 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. What do you think about all this? 569 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: Do you have? Are there any people that we didn't 570 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: talk about in this episode? Oh there are a lot actually, 571 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: well yeah that you really think could be I don't know, 572 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: suspect right to us. Please find us on Facebook, find 573 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 1: us on Twitter. We're conspiracy stuff at both of those also, 574 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if you you want to, you could send 575 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: us an email ah. Yes. And while we're on that subject, Matt, No, 576 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,399 Speaker 1: what do you guys think, Let's do a little listener mail. 577 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: Here's a message we got from Kelly. Hey, guys, you 578 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: should do a podcast on the Avro Aero CF one 579 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 1: oh five. This super jet was amazing until the Canadian 580 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 1: government canceled it in nineteen nine. The cancelation day is 581 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 1: known as Black Friday in Canadian aviation history. All planes, components, 582 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: production tooling, equipment, and technical data was scrapped. The story 583 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: is filled with conspiracies regarding why the program was canceled. 584 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: The story involves Russian spies and the fallout leading leading 585 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: to scientists involved in NASA and the Concord Jet. Cheers 586 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: and keep up the great work, Kelly. So this is interesting, 587 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: the super jet avro Ero CF one oh five. Do 588 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: you know anything about this? You know, it's funny. It's 589 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: funny that you say this, or that we're reading the 590 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: letter because, uh, Kelly, I believe that you also rode 591 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: into car stuff to ask us if we wanted to 592 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: cover this. UM. I have looked into it a little bit, 593 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: but it is definitely a pretty good suggestion. I you know, 594 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: it kind of spans both car stuff and stuff they 595 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Right, Well, you know what 596 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: that means. We're gonna do a joint episode. Yeah, why not? 597 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 1: We maybe we can have Scott over on that on 598 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 1: this show, or maybe we can do a video about it. 599 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: We'll see what goes up with. There's one other thing, 600 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, you know what that sound means. It's 601 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: time for a moment with our super producer, No, the 602 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: second gun man Brown. Hey, no, pretty well, we just 603 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: wanted to check in with you. We uh just got 604 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: done with the episode. So what's going on? No, nothing much, 605 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: you know, just the usual. Just listen to you, guys 606 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: editing on episode on mass extinction from a different show? What? Yeah, 607 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: which one is it? Is it? Hand? Oh? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 608 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to that. It's a mass extinction because 609 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: we're in we're in the anthropys scene, right, the age 610 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: of man or something that sounds right? Right? For a 611 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: little while longer, for a little while longer. Well, I'm Noel, 612 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: I'm glad you could check in and want to keep 613 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: you too long, but I do want you to know 614 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: that I want both of you guys to know that, 615 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: based on our earlier conversation last week about the nature 616 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: of a Ero and what constitutes a sandwich. We received 617 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: some tweets, so I'm gonna just I'm just gonna give 618 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: you a few of these here. Get your responses, alright. 619 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: So uh, Janelle writes in to say I'm glad conspiracy 620 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: stuff covers important topics. A Ero is so not a 621 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: sandwich hashtag two slices or bust um. Larry k writes in, 622 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: so we did a good job on the podcast on 623 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: the Deep ebb where we interviewed Alex Winter said privacy 624 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: is something that needs to make a comeback. Also as 625 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: Ero is not a sandwich, man, people are opinionated about 626 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: this stuff and this is this is the last one. 627 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: Three um uh kelsey Edo says my vote is that 628 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: it's a wrap. But Wikipedia says it's a sandwich, and 629 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,839 Speaker 1: then tweets us again and says here's where it's Here's 630 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. Did someone change the Wikipedia entrigue 631 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: in order to get people to say that it's a sandwich? Well, 632 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: you guys, I think I might be able to shed 633 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 1: at least a little bit of light on this. So 634 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: I was at lunch last week to a little Greek 635 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: joint near the office, and sure enough, on the menu 636 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: it says euro sandwich. WHOA right there? Well, you know what, 637 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 1: you guys are my friends, and I trust you, and 638 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm it's more important to me to know the truth 639 00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: than to feel like I'm right. So if a ye 640 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 1: wrote qualifies as a sandwich in a Greek restaurant, I 641 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: don't really I don't really have the authority to contradict. 642 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I see where you're coming from. I do 643 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: feel like it exists in sort of a weird gray 644 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: area between rap and sandwich. I sort of think it's 645 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 1: neither a rap nor a sandwich. But for the sake 646 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 1: of this discussion, I'm gonna call it a sandwich. And 647 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,439 Speaker 1: why do we need labels anyway? Kid? Right, that's that's 648 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: the best point so far. I agreed. So I guess 649 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: that's that's it for today. Until next time, Ladies and gentlemen, 650 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: I have been met. I'm still there, and we are 651 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: we changing our identities after this. Yeah, I wasn't gonna 652 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: say anything. Getta wipe my brain. I'm going to have 653 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 1: a chat with you in a darkened room with a projector. 654 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: Well before kit to that point, let's assume that we 655 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: will still be here next week a long listen new 656 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: videos coming out in the meantime. You can see every 657 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,680 Speaker 1: podcast we've ever done at our website Stuff they Don't 658 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: Want You to Note dot Com. As we said, you 659 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: can tweak to us, or send us a message on Facebook, 660 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: or check out some of the stories that don't make 661 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: it on the air. And that's the end of this 662 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: classic episode. 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