1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Emotion is sol off to throat, wants the throat to short. 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 2: Down. 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: Oh little bit, dive down the thirty one yard line. 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: Oh god, it's beautiful. Welcome to the twenty in the 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Huddle podcast presented by Microsoft, and I'm really happy to 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: welcome in Lions general manager Brad Holmes as we kind 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: of put a bow on the twenty twenty three NFL draft. 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: And Brad, before we start, I just have to make 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: sure we're gonna start talking about these prospects. 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: I know you get a little bit excited. 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: I'm far enough away, right, I got this. 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 2: I saw what you did to Brad tables a fold Sam, 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: thank you. 14 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: I mean that elbow would put me right down on 15 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: the floor, I think, Brad, But no, look I love 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: that about it. I mean, you do nine months of work, right, 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: and this is what you do. You have a passion 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: for it, and then when it finally gets to that 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: day and you get your. 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: Guy, Yeah, all the work. I love you love this process, 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: don't you. That's That's that's what it's all about. I mean, 22 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: you know it's it's not fake, it's genuine, it's authentic, 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: and that's I don't know any other way that we 24 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: can express that we got the player that we truly love. 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: And I've always said that that's what we're gonna do, 26 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: you know, regardless of what anybody else says or anything, 27 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: We're gonna get the players that we love. And and 28 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: if we love a player, it's not like we love 29 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: a lot of players, but we love a player, that 30 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: means that we love them for like a lot of 31 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: different reasons. 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: And it means that that. 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: Guy fits our culture, that got fits kind of what 34 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 2: our football team wants to look like. And he fits 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: the intangibles, he fits the physical traits, he fits everything. 36 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: And so when we when we get a chance to 37 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: acquireless players, he just it's an uncontrollable emotion and we're 38 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: just extremely happy. 39 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Jamior Gibbs a little bit. You're 40 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: at six, you move back to twelve, Still get your guy. 41 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: I know you said after the draft he was top 42 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: guy on your board. 43 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: At that spot. 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: When you look at him, rad I mean explosiveness, that's 45 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: the word that just comes out. And it's not just 46 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: Jared turn around and hand the ball off to him too, 47 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 1: it's you know, catching the football. 48 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: He's very fluid. 49 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: I mean he played a lot of different spots. Just 50 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: just how dynamic can he be in Ben's offense. 51 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's just I think the sky's a limit, 52 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: especially with you know, having David Montgomery and then you know, 53 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: being able to pair David up with a weapon like him, 54 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: And I probably she ain't brought up David because David 55 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: is a running back and this guy is just and 56 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: David can do a lot of stuff in the passing 57 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: game as well. Such was a lot of the intrigue 58 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: when we were able to sign him in free agency. 59 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: But to pair this guy up with him, it's just 60 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: gonna make our offense even more scary, even more explosive. 61 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of people tab running back 62 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 2: to his name, but he's He's a weapon, That's what 63 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: he is. He's a multi phase, explosive, elite weapon that 64 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 2: can do a lot of different things. Yeah, he's a 65 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: home run hitter in the run game, but he is 66 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: he is elite in the passing game, and you know 67 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: even as a kickoff returner. I mean, he can just 68 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 2: do so many things. He's gonna bring a lot of value. 69 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: Who do you think win's a race of him and 70 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: Jamo forty? You know'd be curious to see who wins 71 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: that race. 72 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: But I mean that's when. 73 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: Like, when you add that kind of speed and dynamic 74 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: ability to your office and you have two guys like that, now, 75 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it just opens up everything for everyone, doesn't it. 76 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just I think the sky's the limit 77 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: in terms of just and we we want explosive football players. 78 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: But but also the other thing is that even with Jamiir, 79 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: and say with jam like, these guys are smart football players, 80 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: Like you know, the thing with Jamiir is, yeah, you 81 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: can say, oh, well, he can run routes, he can 82 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: catch the ball, and he can line in the backfield. 83 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: You gotta be smart to do that. And and the 84 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: mere fact that you know, now only does he have 85 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: all those intangibles that we look for, but it's just 86 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: in football intelligence that really what stands up to allow 87 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: him to be such a weapon. 88 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: Your second first round pick, Iowa linebacker Jack Campbell. 89 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: He seems like a Dan Campbell guy to me. 90 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: I mean I had him on the podcast after it It 91 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: was funny. I read the comments and it was like, 92 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, that's Dan Campbell junior. 93 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: And they just went right down the line with it. 94 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: But I mean again, like smart, right, all about ball, tough, physical, 95 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: all the things that you and Dan always talk about 96 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: about wanting to acquire those guys. 97 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: I mean that that's Jack right, Yeah, I mean he is. 98 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 2: He is one of those rare guys that you know, 99 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: has all the all the you know, traits and attributes 100 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 2: that we looked for as a football player. Just being smart, 101 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: being passionate, instinctive, relentless, explosive. You know, that's the thing 102 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: when I I think I said it right after the draft. 103 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: You know, the first time I looked at Jack Campbell 104 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: in the fall, I was like, okay, I've seen another 105 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: big linebacker tackle to tackle. You know, I've seen more. 106 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: I'm looking like wait, wait, wait, wait wait, no, he's 107 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: got some range, and it's like I haven't seen a 108 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: guy that big, being able to stop, start on a dime, 109 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 2: change directions, can ben can operate in space and coverage, 110 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 2: and then all those other things that he brings in 111 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: terms of being a heavy guy downhill, having the power, 112 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: having the strike on offensive linemen, being an excellent finisher 113 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: on the ball as a tackler, and just everything that 114 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: he brings from the tangible standpoint, it just it just 115 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: made too much sense, and he's just another guy that 116 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: you know, he was the best guy for us and 117 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: we were ecstatic to build a Lando. 118 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: No, to your point there, I think the three cone 119 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: in the shuttle, we're tops among every linebacker in the 120 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: combine and that game was six four and a half 121 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty pounds. 122 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely point. 123 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: Those are really about the burst, the stop, start, and 124 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: so he could be a big part in the passing 125 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: game too. 126 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know, I always say you know, you know, 127 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: he has the movement skills to cover a lot of 128 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: space in zone and average and get to spots. But 129 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: what really stood out, and from a coverage aspect, is 130 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,559 Speaker 2: some guys, you know, when that ball is in the air, 131 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: you know, they can panic sometimes they're not used to 132 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: playing the ball in the air. And it seems like 133 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: Jack Campbell's like his heart rate was almost down in 134 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: his shoes when that ball was in the air because 135 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: he's just effortless, effortlessly played the ball. And then when 136 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: he got the ball in his hand, he would just 137 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: switch hands and act like he was a running back. 138 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: And I asked him, I was like, did you play 139 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: another piece? And he was like no, I've just been 140 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: a linebacker. 141 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 3: Really. 142 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: That was another component of like, man, this guy is 143 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: just a different kind of football player, and he's already 144 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: so long and so hard to throw over in general. 145 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: But then you add that on top of just his 146 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: instincts and his ball skills and you know, being really 147 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: supposed to be. And so we're definitely going to get 148 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: a truly effective three down player. 149 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: And him and Alex together bringing that size downhill. Alex 150 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: was really good in the past game, especially in the 151 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: second half of last season. So I mean, just another 152 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: area in which you guys are now a better football 153 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: team defensively, Brad, I loved what you said after the 154 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: first round when all this talk about position value and 155 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: all that stuff was there that look, we didn't draft 156 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: a running back. We drafted a dynamic, explosive weapon as 157 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: you called it. We didn't draft inside stack linebacker. We 158 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: drafted a guy who could be an anchor on defense. 159 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: Is the next shirt Brad Holmes doesn't care about your 160 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: mount draft. 161 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: Is that the one that needs to come there? 162 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: Because I thought it was a great point, right, I mean, 163 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: you're trusting your board, you're drafting guys that fit you, 164 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: and the position values for the mocks and everything else. 165 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: You're trying to build a football team with guys that 166 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: can make a media impact, and those two guys can 167 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: do that, can't. 168 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, look, this is the bottom line. 169 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: If there was a player at six orhen we trade 170 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: back to twelve, if there was a player at twelve 171 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: that we thought could impact our football team more and better, 172 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: then we would have picked that player. If there was 173 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: a player at eighteen that we thought could impact our 174 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 2: football team better, then we'd have picked that player. But no, 175 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: we picked those two guys because those two guys were 176 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: the guys for us. And and I get it. I 177 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: get it from a mock draft standpoint, and it's hard. 178 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: I feel bad for our fans not feel bad, but 179 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: I guess I'll say I understand it because our fans 180 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: and the public, they can only go off the information 181 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: that's available to them. That's all they can go off of. 182 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: And so when you're seeing a set of information repeatedly 183 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: over time, all the time, and that's all that's available 184 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: to them, that's what you're gonna believe, and that's what 185 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: you're gonna utilize, and that's what you You. 186 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: Can't go off of it. 187 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: You don't have anything else to go off of it, 188 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: and so us having all the information and us, like 189 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: you said, been grinding on it for nine months, it's 190 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: like trust, like we're doing the best thing for the 191 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 2: football team. And so there's no it's not a disrespect. 192 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: But even the people putting the of the mond drafts, 193 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: they don't have all the information. And so I always say, 194 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: like whenever you put cognitive strain into a project, you know, 195 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: i e. A mock draft, or even for a couple 196 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: of months, when it doesn't when that result doesn't come 197 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: out like how you want it to come out, your 198 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: brain doesn't like that. You feel sad, yeah, like mad, 199 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: And then compound on top of that, now in a 200 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 2: couple of days, now you got to put a grade. 201 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: So now your brain doesn't like it, and now you 202 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 2: got to put a grade. And it's just that's the worst. 203 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: That's probably worse than anything I do. Grade the draft 204 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: before a guy steps on the field in a scape 205 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: I've never understood. Look, it's popular, right, it's just like 206 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: the mock drafts. It's almost a demon of its own success, 207 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: you know. But I love that you use the word 208 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 2: trust there, Brad, because I think you've earned the trust 209 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: of fans over the last two drafts that you've had, 210 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: So I'm glad you said it. 211 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: Let's let's skip into day two. You get another Iowa kid, 212 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: Sam Laporta. This was a really good tight end class, 213 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: maybe one of the best in So there's a lot 214 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: of guys here. What was it about Sam that maybe 215 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: fits you. 216 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 3: Guys the best? 217 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, again, it was a great class, And 218 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 2: I thought, what I liked about this class is that 219 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: they're all different flavors, Like they were all different flavors. 220 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: None of them were the same guys, And so Sam's 221 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: flavor fit us the best. And so that's what intrigued 222 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: us about him. You know again, He's got the intelligence, 223 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 2: he's got the passion, he's got the football smarts, he's 224 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 2: got the toughness, he has all those intangible qualities, the 225 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 2: work ethic, all that, but him as a player, those 226 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: things that he can do from a versatility standpoint were 227 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: really intriguing. Again, another guy. I didn't really know much 228 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: about Sam until I watched the film this fall. You know, 229 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: some of those other guys you heard about in the past, 230 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: and then you see Sam, and again I'm thinking, Okay, 231 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: I look at him like, Okay, I've seen one of 232 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: these guys before. And then you start seeing him operate 233 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 2: from the slot and being a mismatch Manda man. You 234 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: started seeing them operate out wide and winning slants and 235 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 2: winning go routes first dbs and being able to find 236 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: voids in the zone, and then his ball skills in 237 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 2: his rack and his ability to finish. I mean, when 238 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: he gets that ball in his hands, he just turns 239 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 2: into kind of a different player, right and you see 240 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 2: the the violent finish. He's gritty. We look for gritty 241 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,599 Speaker 2: football players. But he has the hips, he has the 242 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 2: change of direction, he has a quickness, he has all 243 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 2: those things that I mean. He was playing wildcat quarterback 244 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: in the bowl game. Again, he's playing in the ball game. 245 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: You know, like that. You don't see that top prospects 246 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 2: are coming out in the draft often those guys are 247 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: opting out of those games. Yes, he's playing in that game. 248 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: Jack Campbell's playing in the ball game. Jamiir Gibbs is 249 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: playing in Like those things alone just tell you a 250 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: little bit more about the type of players that these 251 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: guys are. But we're really excited about Sam. He's gonna 252 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: be able to do a lot of different things and 253 00:11:58,559 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: expect a pretty early impact. 254 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: It's got to be fun for for that position too, 255 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: because you know, you guys trade away TJ. Hockston last year, 256 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: but you still set a franchise record with twelve touchdowns 257 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: from the tight end position. So Ben is very creative 258 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: in the way he gets guys the football and some 259 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: of the you know, you look what Right did and 260 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: show his athleticism the Jets you got James Mitchell is 261 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: a guy I think. Yeah, and now he's that's when 262 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: guys get over that knee injury, right, I mean, he's 263 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: still dealing with that. So you've got to like where 264 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: that room is setting up and then what Ben was 265 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: able to do with it. 266 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 3: That's really going to be. 267 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: A weapon as as a position group, don't Yeah. 268 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: And I like that all of them have a balance 269 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: in them, you know. I you know brock you know 270 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: he's not just a blocker. You know, yes, brock Right 271 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: can block and he's big. But you know, you saw 272 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: that speed that Brockwright showed up there in New York 273 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: when you know, when the game was on the line, 274 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: you know, So he's got good straight line speed, he's 275 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: got good hands. Uh, James, he's another guy. Yeah, he 276 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: can do a lot of the f athletic movement stuff, 277 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: but he'll he'll go in line and get dirty, and 278 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 2: you know Sam will do the same thing. So I'm 279 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: really excited about that group overall. 280 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: Brian Branch, you get in the second round, probably maybe 281 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of surprise to some people that that 282 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: he was there. I mean, Brad, freshmen don't start at 283 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: Alabama that too, that often, not with Nick Saban, you know. 284 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: I mean you've got to be a special kind of 285 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: cat to to be able to to start as a freshman, 286 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: especially at safety. Yeah, I mean, you know that's the 287 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: general of the defense. I know he played a lot 288 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: of nickel. That's where he primary was. He's kind of 289 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: just a dB, a guy that you can kind of 290 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: put anywhere, a weapon again on defense, maybe a matchup guy. 291 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: What'd you like about Branch where you see him kind 292 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: of fitting in? 293 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, not only just the versatility, but you 294 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 2: know him going from safe to the playing nickel. I 295 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: would say, you know that that what they call the 296 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: star position and Nick Saban's defense playing that nickel, that 297 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: that that's that position is not handed out easily. That 298 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: that that position. Uh, it involves a lot of trust 299 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: to be earned to play that position because you got 300 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: to do a lot of different things. I mean, you 301 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: have to you have to be able to cover in 302 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: both phases. You have to be able to play zone, 303 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: you have to know where where your help is. You 304 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: got to cover Manda Man, you got to fill in 305 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: the run support. You have to tackle, and he's one 306 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: of the better tacklers that I saw on film all year, 307 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: especially talking about a dB. So again, he's a guy 308 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: that plays football like how we like to play, and 309 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: especially on defense. And you know, again he's another guy 310 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: really no pressure on him. You know, he doesn't have 311 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 2: to come in and be the guy right now. But 312 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: as he's learning, as he's developing, he's going to be 313 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: really good on special teams as well. So he's another 314 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: guy that you're right like, I didn't think he was 315 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: going to be there when we got him, But when 316 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: things started looking realistic, I said, I'm not saying it's 317 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: going to. 318 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: Fall to us. 319 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: To your point, ninety tackles, fourteen tackles for lost, three sacks, 320 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: two interceptions, seven pass defended a guy that did it 321 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: all for Alabama. 322 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: So great gain. 323 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: On Day two, Let's go to Hendon Hooker third round, 324 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: sixty seven percent completion percentage. His tired career eighty touchdowns. 325 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: Ran a little bit different of an offense. It was 326 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: kind of that really high tempo wide receiver options. 327 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 3: You kind of knew where you were going. 328 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: Just how do you think he fits into the NFL, 329 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: into your scheme? Obviously coming off the knee injurt so 330 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: he's got some time to kind of, you know, learn 331 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: the playbook and take it all in. But what did 332 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: you like about about Hendon? Why do you think he's 333 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: a good fit? 334 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so I saw Hendon when they played Florida, 335 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: and I want to say we were playing up in 336 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: Minnesota at the time, so went out there and I'll 337 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: never forget that was the fastest tempo offense that I've 338 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: I think I've ever seen in my life. I'm serious, 339 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: And like you hear that all the time, you know, oh, 340 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: spread offense. They go fast and go fast. This like honestly, 341 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: you you your head and take a note like good luck, 342 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: like you've already missed something. Yeah, but a lot of 343 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 2: it was, yeah, that offense in general, but it was 344 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: how fast he was playing and the fact that he would, 345 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: you know, take off and scramble and finish your run, 346 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: deliver punishments, deliver punishment in a violent way, get up 347 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: and then sprint back to the line, make sure that 348 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: he gets that signal, and then make a big time 349 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: playing the air. I mean, how fast he was playing 350 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: was just impressive. And I was like, this guy is 351 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: a football player now now. And it's those little things 352 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: that you know, you can't always see on tape. So 353 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: even you know, like pregame warm ups, you know, like 354 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: his pregame ritual. He's all business. He's all business. You 355 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: saw the big arm, but you knew he was there 356 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 2: to win a football game. And so that really stood 357 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: out to me. You know, when he makes those big 358 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: plays with his legs and through the air, he comes 359 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: out to the sideline, he didn't even go back to 360 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: the bench. He's literally standing waiting to see the extra 361 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: point go through through and he walks down he's contratulating 362 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: everybody on the extra point team. And it's those little 363 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: things and I'm like, Okay, this guy's different. And so yeah, 364 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: he does have all the physical trades. He's got the size, 365 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: he's got the arm, he's got a big arm, he 366 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: throws a beautiful deep ball. You know, I think they'll 367 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: bode well for you know, a guy that when we 368 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: want to go explosive. But I just love that the 369 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: situation he's in, he can get healthy, he can learn 370 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: behind Jared and Nate and kind of see how they operate. 371 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 2: And so I think it's a great situation. We'll just 372 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: see how far it goes. 373 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: I ran into him at the Senior Bowl and I 374 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: asked him about, you know, joining a team with an 375 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: established starter, would that be something you'd be down for? 376 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: He said, I love it. I would love it. 377 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: I'd be a sponge. I want to learn from that, 378 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 1: become a better football player. People knock Brad him being 379 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: twenty five, but I look at that as being a 380 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: guy who's really mature. Right, He's played a lot of football, 381 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: forty some plus starts, two different systems, and that backup job. 382 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: Obviously you've got to be ready to step in and play, 383 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: but your number one job is to support the starter, 384 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: to doubt right, make him better throughout the week. What 385 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: better than a twenty five year old experienced quarterback who's 386 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: seen a lot. I think that can help Jared too, 387 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: and that's all part of the package. 388 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: Right. I totally agree with you, Tim. 389 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 2: You know, it's different when you're saying, all right, he's 390 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 2: a twenty five year old wide receiver, or he's a 391 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 2: twenty five year old corner cornerback, or no, he's a 392 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: twenty five year old quarterback. And so that's different that, 393 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: like you said, there's a level of maturity, there's a 394 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: level of things that he's gone through just in his 395 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 2: football career that's gonna bode well for success for him. 396 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to day three. No, I'm sorry, 397 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: you move back in. Get give up a fourth and 398 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: fifth round. 399 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 3: Quite a bit of capitol. 400 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: So, I mean, this is a guy in Broderick Martin 401 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: that you obviously really liked. And yeah, I think when 402 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: you look at him, big body, right, three hundred and 403 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: thirty pounds, a guy that can be in the center 404 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: of that defense. 405 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 3: You guys were much better the second. 406 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: Half of the year against the run minus secure line 407 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: game obviously, right, but you know, ranked twenty ninth in 408 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: that depart Is he a guy you think that can 409 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: come in and I know he's got to, you know, 410 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: come in and build a strength, get some technique, work 411 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: in and do all that kind of stuff with with 412 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: your new defensive line coach. But is he a guy 413 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: you think that can help you, especially in that department 414 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: the run stuff in part you know pretty early on. 415 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah one, and he's another guy that you know, there's 416 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 2: no pressure, you know, there's he doesn't need to be rushed. 417 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 2: He doesn't need to be the guy like right now. 418 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 2: But you know, me and Dan, we weren't excited about 419 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: just what project is now. We were excited about what 420 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 2: project can become. And when you get a guy that 421 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 2: now you talk about premium position or positional value. That's 422 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 2: been the topic of everything about the draft. When you 423 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 2: when you find a guy that that's that's six four 424 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: and a half, you know, almost thirty six inch arms, 425 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 2: you know, he's he's has rare length size and you've 426 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 2: seen other guys with that size, with that power and 427 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 2: strength that he has. You've seen guys like that. But 428 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: the way how hard he plays. You know, he chases 429 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: the ball, he finds the football, he can he can 430 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: finish in his gap, he can two gap. But you know, 431 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: he just again plays the game how we want to play. 432 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: And you know, with with with John Scott, who has 433 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: a who's had a high reputation of developing these guys 434 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 2: in the college rinks to get a young guy like 435 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: Broderick and everything, every kind of let's call it ward 436 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: or thing that he needs to be developed, they're all fixable. 437 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 3: They're all correctable. And so that's what got me and 438 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 3: Dan e sided about. 439 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: He joins a good room there too, with Bugs absolute 440 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: and Elam and some of the other guys there. Just 441 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: knowing bugs bugs will take a guy like that under 442 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: his wings. He's in good hands in that room. All right, 443 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: let's move to day three and day three. I'm just 444 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: curious when you look at day three. Obviously guys have 445 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: flaws here and there then in the first three rounds, right, 446 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: So I mean when you go into day three, is 447 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: it is it traits? 448 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 2: Is it scheme? 449 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: Fit? 450 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: Is it just feel? 451 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: I guess kind of how do you decide guys that 452 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: are that are fits? Because they always obviously have, you know, 453 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: something that they can get better at with their game. 454 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: I guess, just what's the strategy going into day three? 455 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: What's the big three? 456 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: Because you look at some of the success you've had 457 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: with i'man ros Saint Brown, Malcolm Rodriguez James Houston. I mean, 458 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: you've had real success there. What's the goal going into 459 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: Day three? 460 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: You know what, especially when you get back into the fifth, 461 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: sixth round, you know, and especially in this draft. You 462 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 2: know drafts in the past, you know you'll you'll you'll 463 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: get into Day three in there might be in a 464 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 2: Moner of Saint Brown. They're like, there might be a 465 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 2: Derek Barnes still there. There might be, but you know, 466 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: we didn't even have a fourth rounder. But I didn't 467 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: think it was this kind of draft. But really you 468 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: want to look for depth and quality depth that you 469 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 2: think can soon be some kind of starter down the 470 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: road or if not a spot starter or depend on 471 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: the position, you know, quality depth that can play special 472 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 2: teams early on. So that's kind of what you're looking for. So, 473 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: you know, trying to so getting so getting Kolbe down 474 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: there in the fifth round. He was a guy that 475 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 2: we thought was a multi positional swing depth guy, and 476 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 2: you know, we'll see how much he can develop and 477 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 2: how far he can go. But played right tackle at 478 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 2: William and Mary and did very very well, and then 479 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 2: goes to the All Star Game and plays guard and 480 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: actually did some center stuff as well. So we're looking 481 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 2: at a guy that potentially could be a three position 482 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: phase guy that you know, center flex, scarred flex, right 483 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 2: tackle flex. But again, all the flex and all that stuff, 484 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. It's about how he plays the game 485 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 2: and about his intangibles. And he has elite football character 486 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: is work ethic, his passion for football, his intelligence. But 487 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: he plays like how we want to play on the 488 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 2: offensive line. He comes off the football, he strains, he grinds, 489 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 2: he works to finish. He's very instinctive. He takes very 490 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: high quality angles off the football. So all those things 491 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 2: of like how we want to play from an office 492 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: line standpoint, we thought Kobe Fitz. 493 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: Talked about joining a good room too. I mean there's 494 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: a lot. 495 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 3: Of in that room. 496 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean you're going to develop rather quickly or you're 497 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: gonna get right in that. 498 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 3: Room, you know. 499 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: And to your point too about the depth too, I mean, 500 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: you guys run that swing tackle more just about more 501 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: than anybody in the league that had the. 502 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 3: Extra offensive lineman. 503 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: And so maybe a potential there for him to see 504 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: the field kind of early as a versatile kind. 505 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: Of swing swing piece. There. 506 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: Let's go to the seventh round and you got Antoine Green. 507 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: The thing that jumped out with Green to me is 508 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: nineteen point zero yards perception. I mean that was and 509 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: that's throughout his entire career. I mean that's a vertical guy. 510 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: Six two, two hundred pounds four four seven. So the 511 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: physical traits are there, and then you look at some 512 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: of the stuff he did. 513 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 3: Down the field. Would you like about Green? Look? True story? 514 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: You know we're watching Oh I was watching, you know, 515 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: during the fall, I was watching their slot receiver downs 516 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 2: and as I'm watching them, I just see this big 517 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 2: guy on the outside just keep taking these explosives up 518 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 2: and I run down. I tell Ray Agnew, our assistant gym, like, Ray, 519 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: I know, we're looking at downs and he's a good player, 520 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 2: But who's this other guy like? And so then that's 521 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: when we started talking about him more. But he's a 522 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: he's another guy that you know, he's got some development 523 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: to do, but you know, just an intriguing outside vertical stretcher. 524 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: And it's not he's not a one trick pony either. 525 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 2: You know, he's going to be able to do the 526 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: stuff inside. You know, he can run the digs, he 527 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 2: can run the slants. You know he will fin this 528 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: he'll he'll he'll catch contested. So all those things kind 529 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: of bode well for for his development his hopefully future success. 530 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: But in the meantime, again, you going to day three, 531 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 2: you know who can provide special teams play, and so 532 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 2: we we see him as a guy with his size 533 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: and his speed, I think he'll be able to match 534 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: up in a lot of different positions special teams. 535 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: Is that what you like going to some of those 536 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: college games, because you could go with an idea of 537 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch him him downs in this case and then. 538 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 3: Get surprise, You get some surprised. Is that the fun 539 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: part about actually going to the games? It is how 540 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 3: many times does that happen? 541 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: It happens not only in the games to him, it happens, 542 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: you know, happens in the games. It also happens watching 543 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: tape too, Like you just you're watching a certain guy 544 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 2: and it's like, wait, hold on, who's this other guy? 545 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: I mean, you know another true story. I remember, you know, 546 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: with Malcolm Rodriguez. You know last year, you know, Oklahoma 547 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 2: State had another linebacker and I was watching him and 548 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 2: then I just see this twenty just keep showing up, 549 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: showing up, showing up, I'm like, wait, hold on, this 550 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 2: guy keeps poppiting on the department and then you just start, 551 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: you know, you start, you turn your focus onto him, 552 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: and well, this guy's a good football player. 553 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: Overall impressions of the class to me, you got a 554 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: lot of guys that you can I think play or 555 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 1: have a potential to play pretty early, some impact guys. 556 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: I guess when you look at the totality of the class, 557 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: when you look at it as a whole, what's the 558 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: one thing you like with your over impression of this. 559 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 2: Group that we just got our guys and we just 560 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: stuck with our conviction. We we didn't get deterred by 561 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: any other outside noise or anything like that. And you know, 562 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 2: for the most part us taking our guys, that's bode 563 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 2: well for us in terms of when you look at 564 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: the totality of the young guys that have played and 565 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: played early first and played well. So we feel really 566 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: good about that. But I think that we got the 567 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 2: type of players that we're looking for in terms of 568 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: man they're smart, they're passionate, they're instinctive, they're really unless, 569 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,719 Speaker 2: they're explosive. 570 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 3: And they have high football character. 571 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 2: And so those are type of guys that we look for, 572 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: and so you just in totality, that's what you're happy about. 573 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 2: How early these guys impact. Some of these guys we 574 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: spent earlier impact than others, just being realistic, but you 575 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 2: just never know where this thing's going to go. 576 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: The draft isn't over at round seven though. You know, 577 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: we can't talk specific so some of these guys you 578 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: don't have to get in here, get signed and stuff 579 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: like that. But that process is an important one too, 580 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: I mean, cause you see some of the guys that 581 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: have impacted this football team over the years from the 582 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: undrafted category. That's an important part of the process too. 583 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: Is that's a huge far of the process because at 584 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 2: the end of the day, depending on who you get 585 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 2: and you know who was left and who didn't get drafted, 586 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: those are at the extra draft picks. So well, without 587 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 2: getting into specifics of names, I want to say that 588 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 2: we ended up getting three guys that were on our 589 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: draft board at one point that we were able to 590 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: get in as undrafted free agent. 591 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 3: So we're really excited about that. You you're leaving them guessing, huh. 592 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Ray John Dorsey is your whole team 593 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: to speak to the job. 594 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 3: Everybody did it because it's not just it's a group 595 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 3: and this goes back nine months. It's the area of scouts. 596 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: It's all the time away from their family, hotel rooms, everything. 597 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: You know it. 598 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: You were in that grind too. 599 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely, the whole team. 600 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: You love how what you've assembled now in year three 601 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: it seems like it's a pretty smooth operation and you've 602 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: got your system in place. 603 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was telling our group after the 604 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 2: draft that you know, everybody has a specific ownership that 605 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: that that that they know that they have to dominate. 606 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: And each one of those guys did a fantastic job 607 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: just kind of dominating their ownership. And so but like 608 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: you said, it's just starts with our scouts. You know, 609 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: they're the engine of this whole thing. And without them, 610 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: you know, it just doesn't work. I do believe that 611 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: we have a well old machine from a personnel department standpoint, but. 612 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 3: They are the oil. 613 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so without them they all this stuff is not possible. 614 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: But everybody else's. 615 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: You know, uh, you know Ray Agnew and Dorsey Lance Newmark, 616 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: Mike Martin dot Corsion, you know, Mike Disney or Brandon 617 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: Sauce and like it's a total group effort all the time, 618 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: and that starts from the very top. You know, that's 619 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: something that Sheila preaches and she's preached from from from 620 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: the very uh start with you know, Dan and myself 621 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: is collaboration. So it's always gonna be a collaborative effort. 622 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: And you know that's bode well for so far. 623 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: I know everybody's looking forward to rookie Minnie Caamp getting 624 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: these guys here, getting football helmets on, seeing them run 625 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: around and then they joined the Vets and OTAs and 626 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: then it starts to get real. Yeah, football's here. So 627 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: the draft is over. It's a it's a fun time. 628 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: You've now kind of built this football team and I 629 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: know everybody's excited with how you finished last year, what 630 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: you did in free agency, and now what you put 631 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: together in the draft. Caut There's a lot of excitement 632 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: and Detroit a lot of expectations and it'll be fun 633 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: to be on for the ride. 634 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 3: So it's gonna be exciting. Yeah, thanks you exciting. Thanks 635 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 3: a lot, appreciate you man.