WEBVTT - America Is Not It 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.680 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ookf Daily with me 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:19.120 your girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker. I'm 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:24.440 recording this on Juneteenth, and you know you'll listen to 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:28.920 this tomorrow. And I just have some thoughts to get 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:33.040 off my chest about Juneteenth being a federal holiday. And 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:36.519 I posted a video yesterday saying that, like, I'm not 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.600 feeling Juneteenth as a federal holiday, and the reason being 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.840 is because I don't think that white people and non 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:49.760 black people, who there is no curriculum that was created, 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.800 have no understanding whatsoever, just get another day off. It 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:59.120 means absolutely nothing. And I'm tired of living inside of 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.760 a country that, instead of providing equity and justice for 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:10.880 black people who have been exploited, abused, murdered, lynched, raped, beaten, subjugated, 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.959 and oppressed for you know, damn near a millennial, that 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:19.080 instead of providing us with the justice that would look 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.759 like reparations in a number of ways, reparations doesn't look 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:27.880 like money, it looks like a whole lot of things. Instead, 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.880 just throw a fucking holiday our way. And this is 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.360 the same holiday that, oh yeah, the state of Florida 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.520 gets to take off while they go ahead and ban 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.959 quote unquote critical race theory and ban books and banned 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.160 curriculum and fire teachers. So it's like, what are we 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:48.520 really learning here? Right? Like what are we really learning? Nothing? 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:54.520 And that's the point, right, The point is to pacify, right, 0:01:55.240 --> 0:02:02.160 Not to create critical thought, not to make amends for 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:08.520 past brutality. It is to pacify. And so I do 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:16.880 have deep feelings about this holiday and the way that 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:22.600 it was introduced after the murder of George Floyd in 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.919 thinking that somehow the leaders of this country are doing 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.120 something so that they can pat themselves on the fucking 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.280 back about it, doing what exactly? Because I'll tell you 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:38.000 that the last surviving witnesses to the Tulsa massacre that 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:43.120 happened over one hundred years ago were just denied a 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:48.040 hearing in court at the Oklahoma Supreme Court. So they 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:54.080 will die having had no reparations for state sensioned and 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:59.000 federally senioned mob violence that killed over three hundred people 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:03.760 and destroyed an entire fucking town. And those people got nothing, 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.920 and one hundred years later, we still do nothing for them. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:14.440 So what is a holiday? It means nothing without any context, 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:22.120 without any curriculum, without any thoughtfulness whatsoever. So for me, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:25.560 you know, I'm over it. I will not use this 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.360 day as a day to educate others. I will not 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.320 use it as a day to provide infographics on this, that, 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:35.280 and the fucking other thing. Like I want white people 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:38.080 and non black people in this country to be curious, 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:44.040 to be intellectually fucking curious, and be rigorous about learning 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:48.040 and unlearning so that we can forge a better future 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.120 because I don't see how we do it, because I 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.320 sure as fuck am tired of pulling people along. Coming 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.600 up next, my conversation with our friend, our in house doctor, 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.440 doctor Jonathan metzil Well. Jonathan and I talk about a 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.640 range of things today, mostly in the fact that I'm 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.560 just like you know, it's summer. I am in a 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.800 place where I'm just like I need a break. I 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.280 need a mental break, I need a physical break. I 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.400 need all of the breaks, as I'm certain that all 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.839 of you do as well. And so how to balance 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.280 out the need and the desire to slow down when 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.520 the news cycle and the world around us continues to 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:31.680 spin out of control. That conversation is coming up next, folks. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.880 You know that whenever we have the opportunity to sit 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:36.840 down with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan mepsl I 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:41.960 am always thrilled and Jonathan today what is on my mind? 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.320 What is on my mind is that it's summer. It's 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.640 nice outside, and like, I don't want to talk about 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.960 the end of the world every single day all day. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.560 I want to, you know, just some days. I want 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.640 to pretend is that healthy? Is that? Is that Okay? 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.200 Hey, I'm happy to pretend there's something I was to 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:01.720 ask you. But we can also pretend to. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.960 No ask me, ask me whatever, ask me whatever you'd like. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.640 Well, first, it's lovely out. I love summer. I love 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:11.839 all the puppies and the daffodils on all that stuff. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:15.839 So no worries there. We can talk about summer trips 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.000 or vacations or fun stuff. We could talk about summer reads, 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.480 or we could talk about Donald Trump campaign targeting Black 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.120 Americans and how you feel about it. 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:32.600 Well, here are my quick summer plans. I don't often 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.800 leave New York in summer because I think that summer 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.200 in New York is beautiful and it's the best time 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.760 to be here. And so I will be doing a 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.720 lot of trips out east and just kicking it with 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.080 my fam on Long Island. As it pertains to Donald 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.000 Trump and his push for black voters, you know he 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:52.880 was in New York. He was in New York a 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.159 couple of weeks ago up in the Bronx at a 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.920 rally that they couldn't get anybody too, so I think 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:03.400 they paid people to attend. He was recently at a 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:08.359 black church where the attendees were not members of the 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:12.159 congregation of that church, nor could the preacher that leads 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.159 that church. When he went out to try and get 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.800 people to come in, they laughed in his face. But nonetheless, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.880 I think it was in Michigan. They did a call 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.680 to the GOP out there and so a bunch of 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.599 white people showed up in blacks for Trump T shirts. 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.400 Irony is not lost on them at all. So what 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.479 do I think about Donald Trump's push. I think it's 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.400 like most things that Donald Trump pushes. I think it's fraudulent. 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.479 I think it's a lie, just as I think it 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.080 was Kelly and Conway that was on Fox News that 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:45.159 said that there were eight thousand people there at the church, 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.320 a church, by the way, that only holds several hundred. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.880 But you know whatever, like if it's going to be 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.400 why not say there were eighty thousand people that were there, 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.839 Because if you're gonna lie, just like make it even bigger. 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.840 So do I think that it's a concerted effort. No? 0:06:59.000 --> 0:06:59.120 Do. 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.040 I think that they will always be a facet of 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.480 the black community and the LATINX community that think that 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.920 their proximity to whiteness will save them and that they 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:13.000 hold up as the best thing, you know, for them. Yeah, 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.720 I do. And so those are my thoughts. What did 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.440 you think about the blacks for Trump white people? 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.080 I actually see this. I mean I agree with everything 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.040 you said about like the content of it being farcical, 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.600 but I think it's a pretty serious concern actually for 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.480 a couple of reasons. I mean, one was that we 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.560 just saw more black and Latino voters vote for Trump 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:35.880 every time he ran, and especially in the last election. 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.520 I think there was a lot of surprise, particularly among 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.080 Latino voters, at the kind of support that Trump was getting. 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.080 But I think that, you know, for me, it's more 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.480 the fifty thousand foot issue that I think a lot 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.280 of people are missing. I mean, absolutely, the thing was farcical, 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.920 and you know, you expected like people to show up 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.080 like dressed like black people, So that. 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.600 Really, I mean, I wouldn't put it past them, So. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:00.760 It was that ridiculous. But the two things that I 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:05.240 think are important to note. Number one was the New 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.840 York rally. It's almost like striking in the heart of 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.360 the opposition territory. So it didn't have to be a 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.840 success for them to call it a success. I don't 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.920 see Biden going to like the heart of red state, 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.080 rural NRA kind of country, which would be at corarel it. 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.080 So I think the very fact that it happened, it 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.400 wasn't so much to try to convince New York black 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:30.880 voters that they're going to love Trump. It was like 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.080 an op to show this guy is so brave that 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.840 he's actually taking it into the opposition's territory. And so 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.080 I have a feeling I don't know this for sure, 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.880 but I bet it did a lot of work beyond 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.320 like our core audience, the goal wasn't to convince anybody. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.880 It was to show that Trump is like taking it 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.079 onto other people's turf and suggesting he has brought a appeal. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.800 So that was concern number one for me about this. 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.880 But the bigger concern for me was actually the thing 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.079 in Detroit, because I actually watched it and it was 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.719 pretty sneaky evil what he was saying actually, because he 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.560 was saying, the Biden policies are bringing in all these 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.640 immigrants who are stealing your jobs basically, And so in 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.000 a way, again, I don't think that massive numbers of 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.040 black voters are going to vote for Trump, but in 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.600 a place like Detroit, where you're already like Michigan, you 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:26.400 already have arib Americans like really questioning who they're going 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.080 to vote for and things like that, you just to 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.320 be able to peel off enough black voters. And so 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.840 I thought that that message of like, immigrants are stealing 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.520 your jobs, like I've heard that before, because that's what 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.000 they told white voters in my research on dying of whiteness. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.920 And it turns out like that is a message that 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:47.000 just really scares the Jesus out of people. And it 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.080 can work like, oh, yeah, this guy's going to save 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:54.079 my job by stopping competition. That's a fifty year old playlist, 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.160 but it's not in an effective one. And so I 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.959 guess that was my bigger concern again, beyond the farce 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:02.160 of it, was just the way they're crafting. This seems 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.600 far from random to me and something that I find 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:07.440 more concerning I think than other people do. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:09.880 I mean, I don't think that anything that they do 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.320 is random, right, I Like, nothing that they do is random. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.200 Everything is part of the largest strategy. And when your 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.920 strategy is just to lie, like you don't really have 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.040 to prove a lot, right, Like, all you have to 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:22.960 do is go to the place and show up and 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.760 then lie about the crowds and lie about what it 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.280 is that you're telling them, and lie about what opportunities 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:29.880 that you're going to provide. And the thing that I 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.920 continue to ask people is like when you look at 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:36.160 the four years of Donald Trump's administration, like, how did 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.120 you feel? Right? Like, honestly, like, how did you feel? 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.640 How did you feel emotionally? How did you feel physically? 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:42.040 Like? 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.480 How did you feel? Because if I'm the Biden administration, 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.679 if I'm any Democrat that's running for office in twenty 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.559 twenty four, that's the question that I'm going to be 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:54.199 asking my voters. How did you feel from twenty seventeen 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:59.480 until January sixth, twenty twenty one? What was your ongoing 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.880 sentiment in your body, in your heart, in your mind right, 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.320 because I will tell you that for a lot of people, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:10.880 it was fear, it was anxiety. It was lots of 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.480 people had lost their jobs, lots of people had lost 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:18.839 their lives because of that administration. We were just aghast 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:24.160 at Charlottesville, agast at George Floyd, agast at Donald Trump 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:29.120 turning the police on peaceful protesters. Like so when I 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:33.960 see instances like that, it isn't so much about how 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.920 do we come bad and like, oh, doesn't Donald Trump 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.439 look tough? Like yeah, I guess if you're a fucking idiot, 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.800 like I guess if you're looking at the imagery of 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.800 Donald Trump on horseback looking like Sylvester Stallone out of 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.840 nineteen eighties Rambow, and that is your like Christen yeah 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:53.800 or Putin, and that's your personification of like what masculinity 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.760 should look like. But you don't actually look at what 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.280 Donald Trump looked like in the courthouse in New York City, 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:05.360 then like, yeah, my whole thing is right now. As 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.640 we were speaking, the Biden administration, the Biden campaign excuse me, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.520 put out a really great attack ad and it is 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.760 the first attack ad that has come out since the 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.680 thirty four felony convictions that calls Donald Trump a felon, 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:25.160 that actually says that here's what Donald Trump has done. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.280 He's been convicted of thirty four felons, he's liable for 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.959 sexual assault, his university was fraudulent, his businesses are fraudulent, 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.120 and he's running a criminal enterprise. So your choice for 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:40.480 president is a criminal, a convicted criminal, a convicted felon, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.000 or somebody that is fighting for democracy. Like, those are 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.080 your choices. And that to me was like a really 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:50.680 important smart ad and I need to see more of it, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:52.080 and I need to see it everywhere. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.360 No, I think that's right because you know, people like 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:58.959 you and I wear news junkies. We know who are 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.720 going to vote for for the part for the president, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.480 and then you know the other side, people are very 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.920 very mobilized on the other side. So it's kind of 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.320 like the people who are just now paying attention who 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.680 need like something simple, I think something like that that's like, 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:15.640 oh yeah, it's this or that, it's this or that, 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.679 And I think, you know, because always these elections, it's 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:21.320 kind of like the people who are just now starting 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.920 to pay attention or won't start paying attention, those are 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.120 the people who are going to decide it. But man, 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.440 the margins are unbelieve It's unbelievable how closely divided all 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.800 of this is right now. And so no, I think 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:36.240 you're right. Any kind of simple messaging that makes this 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:41.079 a polarizing choice between one thing or another and overturns 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.080 all this other stuff that's coming out, you know. So yeah, 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.480 so I think that's right. But again I did think again. 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:50.400 I watched that Detroit rally, the Detroit Church thing, and 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.840 I thought, this guy's not just like flying off the 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.280 handle like he did last time. Actually felt it felt 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.520 much more strategic than I was expecting. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.880 And that is one strategic speech that Trump gives in 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.800 a sea of one hundred that he has given where 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.920 I actually have am forced to listen to some of 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.960 these clips, I'm and I stopped them thirty seconds in, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.040 and I'm just like, what am I listening to? 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:14.800 Like? 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.000 What am I supposed to be looking for here? Because 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.120 this is actually like nonsensical. It doesn't I think it's words, 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.040 but it's definitely not a sentence, and it definitely has 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.160 no context anywhere. And so I think that this election 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.280 is really simple. I actually think that this is one 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.880 of the most simple elections of our time. It is 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.160 you see what the Supreme Court is doing. Joe Biden 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.920 just said this again recently, and I'm like, you need 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.480 to say this everywhere and every time that there's a 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:49.560 microphone in your face. He's like, if Donald Trump is reelected, 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.000 he is going to have the ability to appoint two 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:56.840 more Supreme Court justices. Right, the Supreme Court is taking 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.800 away every single rite that was won in the twentieth 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:04.000 cent entry. I didn't appoint those justices. Donald Trump did 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.600 because we weren't paying attention to the courts the way 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:12.880 that Leonard Leo and Mitch McConnell and the Republicans have been. 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:17.200 So do you want a Trump Court for not only 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.040 the rest of your life, but the rest of your 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.400 children's life and the potentially the rest of their children's lives, 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.520 because that's what we're up against. Like, this is not 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:30.440 fucking rocket science here. I don't need to part and parcel. Well, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.720 where is Donald Trump on immigration? How does he feel 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.480 about putin in Ukraine? Where will we be you know 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.320 in terms of workers' rights? It's like it's pretty clear. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.800 Well, you know, it's funny because when I did the 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.120 dying of whiteness research. And I've said this as zillion 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:54.440 times in our conversations grassroots, everyday, working class, poor white Americans, 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.080 they all cared about the courts. Even when they were 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.760 being offered their own free healthcare under the Affordable Care Act, 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.040 they would tell me, no, we care about the courts. 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.240 I mean, it was such a top to bottom message 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.480 for Trump supporters and they weren't even Trump supporters yet. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.040 This was like twenty fourteen. In fact, that's what the 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.320 book I'm writing now is about, is that when in 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.520 twenty fourteen, I was doing these focus groups, I didn't 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.960 even understand what people were saying, because I said, hey, 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.720 here's some free healthcare for you and you're sick, and 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.840 people would answer me, I care more than we overturn abortion. 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:28.560 And I'd be like, what does this have to do 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.880 with your healthcare? But they they kind of saw the 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.320 They saw like people on the ground who like literally 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:38.320 were trading away their health their health saw the picture. 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.480 And I just say, like, I just always think like, oh, 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.840 that's what it took to get Trump elected. For example, 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:48.800 in twenty sixteen, was people who rejected Obamacare, because if 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.040 Obamacare would have gone into practice, it would have meant 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:57.240 Centrists would have taken power and institutions and democracy and cooperation, 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:01.000 all these things, but they rejected it and dismantled it 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.760 in order to have their own power. And in a way, 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.360 that's the kind of focus it took to get those 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.440 Supreme Court justices, which is people like literally laid down 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:15.920 on the tracks themselves. And the question is, are democrats 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:16.200 like that? 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:16.600 To me? 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.520 That is the only message. You know, you and I've 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.280 been talking about judges for many days hit now, and 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.119 that's kind of what it took to get here. And 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.399 so the question is are Democrats up to the challenge 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.719 of that flip message, which I think is exactly right. Like, 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.080 you know, if you think I don't know, like I don't. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.840 My driver's license is coming up for renewal. I don't 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:37.520 have to think about my politics. I just want to 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.680 go to the office and renew my driver's license. And 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:41.919 then I thought, Man, if Trump's president, I wonder if 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.000 I can get a renewed driver's license. You know, every 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.919 they're going to replace every office with some political appointee, 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:51.400 and so really the reach of this would just be 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.840 changing in a massive, massive way that people don't get. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.560 So the question is like, how can you simplify that 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.199 in a way that's like it's a choice bet this 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:01.879 and this, and that's I agree with you. That's what 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:02.399 we've got to do. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.280 Yeah, he's a felon, Like, you know, he won't be 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.760 able to vote in this upcoming election for himself, but 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.879 he'll be able to run for office. Yeah, Like, there 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.399 are so many norms that we thought were laws that 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:17.200 aren't because a Donald Trump presidency should never be able 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.040 to exist. Now that you have thirty four felon accounts, 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:21.960 I don't give a fuck if you have the time 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:25.760 to go through you know, however many appeals until like 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.359 it is overturned. You are a felon and in this country, 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.639 you couldn't get a job at Walmart, but you can 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:32.480 run the country. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.359 Yeah. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.919 What has happened for me over the last eight to 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:43.399 ninety years is really looking at America in a much 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.199 different light than I had ever looked at America before. 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.760 And this is somebody that went to school for political science, 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.680 that taught that work down the hill, you know, believes 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.879 in you know, civic engagement, believes in the possibility of 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.119 this country. And I look at this country now and 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.520 I look at all of what we thought were laws 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.840 which were actually political norms. I look at the hypocrisy, 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:11.200 the downright hypocrisy that we purport globally as well as 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:13.880 in this country, and I look around and I say, 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.120 and I've been saying this on every show today, that 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.399 over the next twenty thirty years, America is going to 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:24.719 experience an extraordinary brain drain. That people are going to 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.399 fully this country in the way that you have seen 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:32.080 other people fully countries or go to study in different places, 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.920 or have that that is going to be You're going 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:40.080 to see more Americans sprinkled around the globe in mass 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:45.920 than you'd ever seen before. Because I don't know how 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.560 we think that we are going to be importing talent 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.840 in this country anymore when every single law and policy 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.679 that used to make us somewhat the envy of the 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:59.760 world is now backwards. I was just talking about this. 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:05.879 Ear just announce Thailand recognizing same sex marriage, the first 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.280 country in the Asian Pacific to do so. Right, Mexico, 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:17.040 past abortion Catholic country does So you're watching places where 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:21.159 you would never see the type of progress. New Zealand 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:27.440 assault rifle ban done, one mass shooting over with as 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:33.560 other countries like recognize that America is not it, and 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:37.159 they are making the decisions about like their citizens and 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:41.080 the future that they want to see. America is barreling 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.920 in the opposite direction, and I think that people are 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.760 going to leave this country, and who is going to 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:51.959 be left, unfortunately, are going to be those that do 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.920 not have the economic ability the education to be able 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:56.360 to leave. 0:20:57.240 --> 0:20:59.399 It's so sad because, like you know, I'm writing this 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:04.200 book about the dismantling of America right now, and part 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.040 of it is, like I did this. I just did 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:10.280 a literature search in all these linguistic databases for American 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.160 print sources, and if you look, like in nineteen forty five, 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.600 one of the most commonly used words in American print 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:21.639 media was cooperate, and like I traced everywhere like it 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.720 was our ethos even for like really untractable race problems, 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:28.159 but also like how we came together to beat the 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:29.800 Nazis and what we were going to do to our 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:31.760 economy and the Marshall Plan and all this kind of 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:36.239 stuff was like, hey, we're all, you know, we're in 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:38.600 a certain kind of alliance, you know, not that it 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.080 was like obviously the same for a lot of people, 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.080 and it led to all these other problems, but cooperate 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:46.720 was like this thing. And then it's funny, one of 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.040 the graphs in my introduction, the word cooperate just falls 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:54.040 down and down and down and down for the next 0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:57.240 like fifty years in a way, and that's the same 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.480 time that the word dismantle starts to like rise in 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.480 all these ways on the right and on the left. 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.800 And it's just so sad because what you're describing now 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.160 is kind of like how we built this current iteration 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:14.920 of America, right, which is we created alliances with allies, 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.080 and we became a home for people like Albert Einstein, 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:22.040 who we're fleeing oppression in other places, and we it 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.199 was that kind of that model was like kind of 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.520 what put us on the map. I mean, we were Hillbillies, 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.080 you know, one hundred years ago. And so in a way, 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:33.959 it's just sad that we're like we're like dismantling, like 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:36.360 what got us here in the first place. As you're saying, 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:38.840 is other people are doing that, and it's it's just 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:42.320 hard to It's like watching a slow motion train track. 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:45.800 But it doesn't in all honesty, doesn't even feel like 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.879 that slow motion, right, Like I look at you know, 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:53.040