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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack arms Strong and Joe, Katty arm

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Speaker 1: I forgot to put my belt on this morning. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be pulling up my pants all day long.

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Speaker 1: I'm like a wrapper. Miss their saggy pants. Yep, mister

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Speaker 1: saggy pants, take a look at yourself. Not a good look.

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Speaker 3: It's not a good feeling.

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Speaker 1: Oh if that's the worst part, I don't care about

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Speaker 1: the look. It's just a bad feeling. What's where saggy

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Speaker 1: pants are quitter socks? Just in terms of the vibe, Well,

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Speaker 1: my socks slide down. I'm not going to show my

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Speaker 1: genitals to the world, like if my pants slide down.

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Speaker 1: My accident trying to work in some.

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Speaker 3: Boxers or something. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Oh that took a turn live from Studio C, dimly

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Speaker 1: lit room deeper than the bowels of the Armstrong and

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Speaker 1: Getty Communications compound. And today we're totally toiling under the

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Speaker 1: title A couple of militaristic titles for you war, What War?

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Speaker 3: Or don't drop a tea bomb?

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Speaker 1: Uh? I'm oncoming. Intrigued by that, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: a T bomb is. Hi, Katie, how are you doing? Hi?

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Speaker 1: I'm good.

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Speaker 4: I also don't know what a T bomb is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Cool, But this was spawned by watching Network News

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Speaker 1: last night, which is really an exercise and wasted time.

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Speaker 1: But no kidding. They reported that the murderous lunatic in

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Speaker 1: the northeast of the hockey game.

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Speaker 3: They did not drop a tea bomb, but at.

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Speaker 1: The end of the reports they say mister Jones was

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Speaker 1: also known as ROBERTA. Simmons, and then moved on right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: oh wait, wait that was weird At the end. Was

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Speaker 1: that a woman's name? Oh, we're onto the snowstorm that's

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Speaker 1: menacing the northeast, so never mind. So they feel like

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Speaker 1: they need to reference it apparently, yeah so. And then

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Speaker 1: your other one wore what war news used to be

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Speaker 1: a bunch of smart people, usually dude smoking cigarettes back

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Speaker 1: in the all days, deciding what you should know. That

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Speaker 1: was their job. Right now, it's just what will they

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Speaker 1: stay tuned to or tune into. Whether you should know

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Speaker 1: it or not doesn't make any difference. I'm astounded how

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Speaker 1: hard it is to come up with any broadcast coverage

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Speaker 1: about our march to war with Iran. Endless coverage about

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Speaker 1: winter snowstorms and a missing woman and and all kinds

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Speaker 1: of stuff that has zero really relevance to the future

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Speaker 1: of the world or you right, But you remember we

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Speaker 1: started on the air in San Francisco in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three because the Gulf War was coming and we're

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Speaker 1: because March two thousand and three were about to go

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Speaker 1: not we should go to war, and it was a

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Speaker 1: very hot topic. I mean, it came up in real life.

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Speaker 1: I remember getting into conversations with it in real life

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Speaker 1: with people about whether we're going to go to war

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Speaker 1: with Iraq. We're going to do the same thing now

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Speaker 1: with a more powerful country, and nobody's talking about it.

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Speaker 1: There's no news coverage about it, there's no debate about it.

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Speaker 1: Most people aren't even aware it's going on, right right, Well,

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Speaker 1: what's the difference? What am I missing? Is that is

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Speaker 1: that times have changed? Is there something different here? My

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Speaker 1: only question is did Jeffrey Epstein have any ties to

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Speaker 1: the Iyatola? Did the Iatola's name show up in the file? Yes,

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Speaker 1: if the Iatola's the name was in the Epstein files

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Speaker 1: tangentially related, then it would it make the news Ran

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Speaker 1: told is the leader of Iran, a country we're about

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Speaker 1: operating network. You had to have a prestigious news division

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Speaker 1: and they were not asked to make a profit at all.

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Speaker 3: Nobody even thought about it. Those days are gone.

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Speaker 1: Now everybody, every division of every company must make a profit,

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Speaker 1: and it's a shame. So some genius decided, well, how

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Speaker 1: it's a whole definitely in our media the world. Zuckerberg's

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Speaker 1: the emails that have already leaked out that he's going

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Speaker 1: incredibly interesting, trying to define what's addiction or not. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: what's just a it's really I really like it and

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Speaker 1: it's hard to not do it right. Yeah, and uh,

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Speaker 1: that's one part of it. And then do businesses get

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Speaker 1: to try to maximize maximize how much you like their product?

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Speaker 3: And where is the line crossed?

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Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah, you know it's funny. That reminds me of Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's a fair amount of coverage in a number of

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Speaker 3: Has turned on legalized marijuana.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing psychosis levels for teens skyrocket, scrumbling, they're scrummting.

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Speaker 1: The damage to lungs from pot use is now better understood.

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Speaker 1: Certainly depends how you take it in. But and the

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Speaker 1: It might come down to it's not taxes that don't

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Speaker 1: or you know, my parents' disapproval or one hundred other things.

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Speaker 1: being alive and does it just need to be social

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Speaker 3: That's the problem with paternalism. It tends to creep and

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Speaker 1: But at the.

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Speaker 3: Same time, more judgment, more judgment.

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Speaker 1: If you're on social media all the time, you're wasting

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Speaker 1: your life and you're an idiot. More of that, more

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Speaker 1: derision less. That doesn't rhyme. It's got to rhyme much

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Speaker 2: Did you have a comment to Katie? Oh no, just

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Speaker 2: defending smoking pot while pregnant is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, wow, Yeah, you're a selfish idiot.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's you are a selfish idiot.

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Speaker 3: And a child abuser. We did more of.

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Speaker 4: That, Yeah, it's I was. My mind was blown. I

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Speaker 1: That's the interesting thing about the whole pregnancy world. As

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Speaker 1: I did it with other kids, and they're fine, uh

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Speaker 1: didn't know much about this either. I don't know much

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Speaker 1: But man, it's got no smell and it's like tiny.

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Speaker 1: Back in the day, smoking a little or sneaking a

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Speaker 1: the Nuckerbridge stuff is really interesting. Some of the emails,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to read those, Read those and discuss them.

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Speaker 3: Ah, I've been vaping a little prior to the show. Huh.

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Speaker 1: That's a bad start. When you can't say your own name,

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Speaker 1: that's when you gotta take a step back. You got

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Speaker 3: The drunk from the Andy Griffiths Show.

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Speaker 1: It's terrible. If I told the story where I almost started,

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Speaker 1: Or how does this work? The guy laughed at.

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Speaker 3: Me as well, he should.

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Speaker 1: You know, what do you doing buy cigarettes at your agent?

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Speaker 1: You don't know how it works. Oh, you're starting to smoke,

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Speaker 1: twenty years, and he said, Jack, nobody starts smoking in

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Speaker 1: their fifties, which is a pretty good line. It's true. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Getty on this it is already Wednesday, humped a February eighteenth,

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Speaker 6: I must tell the Norwegian biathlete who won a bronze

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Speaker 6: medal and then promptly confessed to cheating on his girlfriend

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Speaker 6: on live TV. Sometimes just say I'm happy, I wont.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one. That was a weird explosion of TMI.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was an Olympic level TMI.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he should have gotten the gold medal for here's

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Speaker 1: another gold medal for TMI. Nobody has ever revealed so

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Speaker 1: moment than you. Here's a gold medal. Wait. That is

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Speaker 1: an emotional man who decides that the girl was the

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Speaker 1: that he's ruled his life by cheating on her. And

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Speaker 1: both Meta and Google. That's a YouTube because this girl

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Speaker 1: was I should get to that. I meant to set

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Speaker 1: that up earlier. She was six years old when she started.

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Speaker 1: The trial has become a he said, she said, regarding

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Speaker 1: how the early years actually looked. The mother alleges that

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Speaker 1: YouTube's features like auto play and the algorithm were specifically

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Speaker 1: designed to keep her six year old engaged, creating a

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Speaker 1: dopamine loop that paved the way for her later addiction

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Speaker 1: to Instagram at age nine. So she's endlessly looking at

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Speaker 1: YouTube videos when she's six, And the parent says, it's

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Speaker 1: because you got this endless loop that just keeps providing

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Speaker 1: in the algorithm interesting videos. I don't know what to

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Speaker 1: say about that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, how is that?

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Speaker 1: You know? I left my six year old in a

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Speaker 1: and she ate the entire box.

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Speaker 3: I'm suing the candy company.

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Speaker 1: You made the candy delicious, and she just couldn't stop

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Speaker 1: eating it because she's freaking six. Yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what to say about that one.

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Speaker 3: Oh, there's a lot to hate in this story.

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Speaker 1: The lawyers for Google pointed out that in ten thousand

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Speaker 1: pages of medical records, YouTube is only mentioned once, and

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Speaker 1: that the young girl at the time now twenty year

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Speaker 1: olds was selling a therapist that she used YouTube videos

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Speaker 1: to help her sleep when she felt anxious, which of

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Speaker 1: the defense argues this is kind of funny, which Zuckerberg argues, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry Google because YouTube. Google argues that shows the

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Speaker 1: platform as a tool for comfort, not because of her trauma.

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Speaker 1: Comforting six year old is Leiah watching YouTube and fall

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Speaker 1: asleep at night. See, it's practically like a sleeping aid.

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Speaker 1: We should be giving us a oh Medal or maybe

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Speaker 1: paying us more. The client clearly stated that when she

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Speaker 1: so heroin is clearly an agent of comfort. God, I

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Speaker 1: got so much here. I uh, which do I wanted to?

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Speaker 1: Did I do the slot machine thing? Emails and presentations

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Speaker 1: discussed features like infinite scroll, auto play, and variable rewards,

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Speaker 1: likes and notifications as being engineered like digital casinos. One

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Speaker 1: employee noted that and this is an internal memo, people

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Speaker 1: are binging on Instagram so much they can't this This

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Speaker 1: is huge. This is a big one. I hope this

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Speaker 1: gets lots of discussion. One employee noted quote, people are

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Speaker 1: binging on Instagram so much they can't feel the reward anymore,

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Speaker 1: suggesting that users were becoming desensitized but remained unable to stop.

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Speaker 3: Wow, back to my head heroin metaphor. Right, so you

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Speaker 3: take it just to feel normal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're all aware. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: us are aware of the whole dopamine thing that we're

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Speaker 1: time our phone dings, ooh, something exciting, even though like

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Speaker 1: ninety nine times out of one hundred it's nothing exciting,

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Speaker 1: that whole dopamine thing. But I had never heard anybody

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Speaker 1: dopamine hits five hundred times a day. It's not any human.

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Speaker 1: So the normal dopamine hits that we used to get

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Speaker 1: or a flower or a nice sunset or whatever. Am

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Speaker 1: does it work anymore? Why? Right back to addiction to

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Speaker 1: that's flattening? Man? If that's true, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I feel that. I feel like I still enjoy you know,

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Speaker 1: baby's puppies sunsets the same way I always did. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's revealing though, I mean, holy cow, the emotional flattening part.

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Speaker 1: Why don't put off mailbag and freedom, love and quotes

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Speaker 3: Just roll on?

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Speaker 1: Well, we can do it however you want. But for

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Speaker 1: one of the arguments is the sixteen point two hour peak.

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Speaker 1: This argument's going to be has already been made and

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Speaker 1: is going to be made throughout the trial. That this

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Speaker 1: poor girl at one point spent over sixteen hours a

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Speaker 1: day on average looking at YouTube. That was around the

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Speaker 1: age sixteen or seventeen years old, still a child at home,

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Speaker 1: and Mom, you got some control over that. But her

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Speaker 1: team argues that this was the culmination of an addiction

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Speaker 1: that began when she first joined and started looking at

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Speaker 1: YouTube and Instagram at age nine. The trapped narrative is

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Speaker 1: that Kayley, that's the girl in question, was trapped. That's

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Speaker 1: their word in quotes. By features like the infinite scroll,

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Speaker 1: which removes natural stopping points, can you make companies have

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Speaker 1: sell tiny bags of potato chips as a natural stopping

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Speaker 1: point a NBC. You can't roll from one hit sitcom

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Speaker 1: right without credits or commercials or anything. You can't do that.

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Speaker 1: He describes her as gambling for mental stimulation, which is

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Speaker 1: an interesting phrase, rather than money, comparing the app to

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Speaker 1: a slot machine. Getting back to the slot machine, compareson

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Speaker 1: that this girl and we all are gambling for mental stimulation.

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Speaker 1: We just keep rolling the dice on that next video,

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Speaker 1: that next video, thinking it's going to pay off, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good mess.

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Speaker 1: I feel that doing it. The trial revealed that during

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Speaker 1: these marathon sessions marathon sessions, Kaylee suffered from severe sleep deprivation,

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Speaker 1: body dysmorphia, and anxiety, conditions her legal team claims were

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Speaker 1: fueled by the apps design. How the hell you draw

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Speaker 1: the line on this stuff? I can't even imagine. It's

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Speaker 1: a big fat Both things are true scenario terrible parenting

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Speaker 1: and evil, evil companies that know the damage they're doing.

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Speaker 1: And again, there are two thousand lawsuits waiting to be

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Speaker 1: launched based on the outcome of this one. We got

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Speaker 1: a lot more on this, and I'd love to hear

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Speaker 1: the show, unless your almish, sheer kids are dealing with this,

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Speaker 1: or you're dealing with it yourself. Guys, just having a

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Speaker 1: I know so little about, and it's addictive properties to

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Speaker 1: keep your streaks going, so you check in with everybody day,

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Speaker 1: every day. And that sounds insidious, Yeah, it's It's easier,

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Speaker 1: certainly as a grown man that I realize quickly, Oh,

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Speaker 1: these streaks and stuff that's manipulation. Should ignore them, You

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Speaker 1: must ignore them. But you know, again, I'm a grown

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Speaker 1: ass man. As they say, here's your friendom love me.

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Speaker 1: Quote of the day. I asoulutely love this one from

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Speaker 1: Murray Rothbard, who you might not know. He's a big

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Speaker 1: name in the Austrian economics school that you know, your

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Speaker 1: freedman types. You're on meieces just all the great libertarian economists.

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Speaker 1: He said, it is easy to be conspicuously compassionate if

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Speaker 1: others are being forced to pay the cost. That's a

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Speaker 1: good one. So true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See Friedman's A and B and X The Forgotten Man.

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Speaker 1: Here's your mail bag drops no mail bag at Armstrong

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Speaker 1: Dud did, dud. You're right, I'll die happy. I recently

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Speaker 1: fifteen more years on this earth before I assume room temperature.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to three more years of Trump, the

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Speaker 1: eight years of Vance Rubio, then eight years of Ruby

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Speaker 1: and somebody else.

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Speaker 3: I most likely will not see the end of this,

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Speaker 3: but I'll die happy.

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Speaker 1: We'll see Oh to tell you hot and cold running

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Speaker 1: controversy in mail bag today.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's hard hitting the mail bag.

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Speaker 1: Let's see it's Curtis from Santa Rosa, California writes, check

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Speaker 1: something like that. I've been listening since O three love

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Speaker 1: see this from Chris on the topic of AI. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: who programs AI? Is going to be more important than

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Speaker 1: anything in days or weeks? It is the most dangerous

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Speaker 1: thing on earth. Who's that from Chris email correspondent? Who's

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Speaker 1: in charge of it? Well, see it's gonna be in

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Speaker 1: charge of itself, and it may be right exactly.

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Speaker 3: And then Katie barred the door against the robot armies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the big argument about the alignment problem. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna align it all you want, except once it starts

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Speaker 1: programming itself, it doesn't care. Matt and Honolulu weigh in. Guys,

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Speaker 1: I'll see your u. This refers to the Armstrong and

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Speaker 1: Getty One More Thing podcast from was it yesterday or

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Speaker 1: the previous day?

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Speaker 3: I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: I'll see your A wildly disproportionate percentage of male figures

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Speaker 1: are flamboyantly gay and raise you. A wildly disproportionate number

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Speaker 1: and no, I haven't the foggiest notion why would why

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Speaker 1: Matt good Lord a red haired brethren and cistern? Or

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: Just is long?

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Speaker 1: Just okay? Yeah? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Because Malcolm X was a redhead? So are you a redhead?

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