WEBVTT - Archaeology in a Nutshell

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you stuff you should know from house Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast Don't

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Clark, Charles W. Chuck Bryant Old's with us again.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and uh, it's Morning Edition How Stuff Work. It's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the Indiana Jones chronicles he's in this article. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do archaeology without talking about Indiana Jones because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't spell it without Indiana Jones. Uh. And do

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<v Speaker 1>you know why? Because, as his article points out, archaeologists

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<v Speaker 1>are one part explorer, one part scholar, one part P. T. Barnum,

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<v Speaker 1>one part ps, one part scientist, and one part historian,

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<v Speaker 1>which is true, and that is exactly who Indiana Jones was.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Plus he knew his way around a whipping

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<v Speaker 1>and gun. Well, you know, if you're gonna get the

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<v Speaker 1>ark of the Covenant, you're gonna have to whip a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of dudes. That's what Steven Spielberg says. At least

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<v Speaker 1>I know he got that across quite plainly. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>whipp thing was a good idea. That was neat throwback,

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<v Speaker 1>although he never whipped a cigarette out of somebody's mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>which I was waiting for. Like the whole movie. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>that's a parlor trick. Yeah, well it's pretty cool. That's

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<v Speaker 1>very cool. Uh did you have an intro? Did I

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<v Speaker 1>spoil it? No? It was as good an intro as

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<v Speaker 1>any you know me in archaeology. That was the first

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<v Speaker 1>word I could spell. Um, was it? Really? Let me

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<v Speaker 1>take that back. That was the first big word I

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<v Speaker 1>could spell. I'm sure I had like dog and cat

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<v Speaker 1>and all that down first, but I remember being in

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<v Speaker 1>second or third grade and spelling it and the teacher

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<v Speaker 1>being like wow, And I was like, yeah, I'll bet

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<v Speaker 1>you're impressed because I'm young and I can spell archaeology correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, guess it in the corner. The reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I could spell it is because I had already

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<v Speaker 1>been studying it for years. I've always been fascinated by archaeology. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have seen you doing this for a living.

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<v Speaker 1>My buddy Jerry Um out in Portland's Jerry's both of

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<v Speaker 1>our buddy different Um Jerry in Portland mail Jerry is Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry purpose is a here you go. That's why we

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<v Speaker 1>had last night. He was a history and I think

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<v Speaker 1>anthropology major two and wanted to get into archaeology. So

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<v Speaker 1>all those disciplines. Like it's a science that is heavily

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<v Speaker 1>uh butted up against the humanities. It's pretty neat well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of absorbed them, kind of like some early

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria absorbed um mitochondria, you know, and used it for

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<v Speaker 1>itself the power. Yeah, but it's it's very much in

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<v Speaker 1>that vein. Like archaeology started out as a very straightforward,

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<v Speaker 1>simplistic discipline and at one point finally the archaeologists got

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<v Speaker 1>bored and they said this, this could be so much

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<v Speaker 1>more and they expanded, which we'll talk about when we

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<v Speaker 1>get into the history of archaeology, but just the word itself,

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<v Speaker 1>it does definitely conjure Indiana Jones um and he was

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<v Speaker 1>one part this, one part that, And yes, archaeologists are that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the entire pursuit of archaeology is so unwieldy. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so much to it, documenting all human industry from the

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<v Speaker 1>very recent past to the furthest reaches into human history

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<v Speaker 1>that the the field is broken into a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different disciplines, and even those are broken further into subdisciplines,

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that like if you take a forensic

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<v Speaker 1>archaeologist and put it up against a glacial archaeologists. It'll

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<v Speaker 1>be like, are these two really the same in the

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<v Speaker 1>same field? Are they? They are? But they definitely you

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<v Speaker 1>might not have a lot to talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like how about that ice for success is going to

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<v Speaker 1>how about that grave site? Like I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what you're talking about. They're also broken into geographical areas

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes or uh like time periods. Yeah, like you are

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<v Speaker 1>a Mesopotamian archaeologists, like that's your specialty, and that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>There's underwater archaeologists, which I think I I wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>few of these articles back then. I think I did

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<v Speaker 1>want to underwater archaeology too. It's so interesting that we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't touch on. But that's super interesting because the trick

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<v Speaker 1>with all archaeology is preservation. You don't just dig in

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<v Speaker 1>there with a shovel and like pick up the vase

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<v Speaker 1>like in the movie and shake it see what's inside.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot more technical than that. And with underwater archaeology,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that stuff is so fragile. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>transport it in the exact state that it was in.

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<v Speaker 1>So like if you find a book down there, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to put that book in a tank of salt

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<v Speaker 1>water at the right temperature a book. Well yeah, sure, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Well you know I'm not saying it's been down there

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<v Speaker 1>a thousands years. I have this a stopwatch from the

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<v Speaker 1>Titanic pocket watch. You have to transport it in a

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<v Speaker 1>tank of saltwater at that temperature with the right amount

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<v Speaker 1>of sand to wherever you're going to take it to

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<v Speaker 1>your laboratory essentially, and then put on an expensive exhibit. Yes, exactly. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And underwater archaeology isn't necessarily just stuff that that sunk,

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<v Speaker 1>although that part is so fascinating, Like things that are

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be above water that are now submerged just

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<v Speaker 1>take on a whole different attitude to me. Yeah yeah, um.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's other other underwater archaeology too that that goes

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<v Speaker 1>beyond shipwrecks, Like they recently found a nine thousand year

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<v Speaker 1>old um hunting blind in lake here on what Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it used to be above water, and then after the

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<v Speaker 1>ice Age, the water levels rose and covered it up,

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<v Speaker 1>and they recently discovered it under a hundred ft of water.

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<v Speaker 1>And it basically consists of some lanes of stone with

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<v Speaker 1>a cul de sac yeah um, that they would kind

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<v Speaker 1>of use to shoot caribou through, and then at the

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<v Speaker 1>end they're like the Cariboers like cul de Sac and

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<v Speaker 1>then death. Yeah, but they recognized this and then documented

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<v Speaker 1>it under a hundred and twenty ft of water and

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Huron. That sounds like it perhaps could have been

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<v Speaker 1>an accidental find. Do you know. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>they're looking for that. I don't I don't know. But

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that you could look at some rocks and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, well, this is a hunting blind from

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<v Speaker 1>nine thousand years ago used to hunt caribou underwater. That

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<v Speaker 1>just seems really special to me. That is very cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mentioned accidental finds because that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>neat things about archaeology. Um. If you're an archaeologist, clearly

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<v Speaker 1>you are going to be have be in your bonnet

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<v Speaker 1>to go find whatever it is ark of the Covenant.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's things found all the time just by people

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<v Speaker 1>who stumble upon them, accidental finds. Um. Because there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>junk everywhere, like the cave paintings at lasco. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say junk. I mean that in the like

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<v Speaker 1>stuff way, in the academic sense, not worthless. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>great stuff. But the less Go Cave in France was

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<v Speaker 1>discovered accidentally by some local teens. Apparently there was a

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<v Speaker 1>storm and a tree fell over and it exposed this

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<v Speaker 1>cave entrance that had been covered for thousands and thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of years at the Dead Sea scrolls. That was an accident.

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<v Speaker 1>A nineteen seven a Bedouin shepherd found them and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>these these are comportant. Yeah, what else for a little

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<v Speaker 1>French schoolboys? Let's go? Oh is that? Let's go? Yeah? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why she didn't put it in the article. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is weird. She left out that one word. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so let's go back a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about how the stuff all started because in the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fourteen centuries, people really weren't too concerned about

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<v Speaker 1>the past. Well that's not true. They weren't looking for

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<v Speaker 1>artifacts the necessarily, or if they were looking for artifacts,

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<v Speaker 1>they were just looting it and selling it and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>melting it down for its gold. Like the the artifact

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<v Speaker 1>that self didn't necessarily have any value simply because it

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<v Speaker 1>was old. Yeah, that's a good way to say. That

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<v Speaker 1>came about as a result of, um, the rise of humanism,

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<v Speaker 1>which gave rise to the humanities, which basically prized art

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<v Speaker 1>for art's sake, and um gave birth to the concept

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<v Speaker 1>that antiquities have value because of their age. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the the Renaissance. Basically it was birth from the Renaissance.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a dude named Flavio beyond though that was my

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<v Speaker 1>clumsy at times. You want to speak, say it again,

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<v Speaker 1>Flavio energy into it and then your Italian. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's my problem because I'm fairly low key, you know. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Flavio Beyondo was the first person to create a guide

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<v Speaker 1>to the ruins of ancient Rome in the early fifteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people say that is the first

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<v Speaker 1>person you can point to who gave rise to archaeology

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<v Speaker 1>potentially and said basically, these things that we find, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we shouldn't just melt down, maybe we should preserve them.

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<v Speaker 1>This is sort of an important thing for the future,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right. Um, So he was one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>and then from that point on the idea of um

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<v Speaker 1>collecting things kind of took hold and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>little nuts so for a while, like people would just

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<v Speaker 1>go into it. There was no there was no aim

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<v Speaker 1>to preserve the site itself. You just wanted all the

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<v Speaker 1>artifacts from the site, so you could fill your palace

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<v Speaker 1>with them. Yeah, and I get the sense that there

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely a boom in the Renaissance and among royalty

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<v Speaker 1>of wanting things from ancient Greece and Rome, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know the Queen of Naples wanted, you know, ancient statues

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<v Speaker 1>and things to fill her palace and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find out what happened with Pompeii and Herculaneum. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's why they were excavated. In was after their stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And Pompeii is really neat, by the way, but all

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<v Speaker 1>of the artifacts, it's totally deserted. Everything that's there is

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<v Speaker 1>a permanent structure. All the artifacts have been removed and

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<v Speaker 1>they're still in Naples where they were taken in seventy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get a little bit later on into like

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<v Speaker 1>who owns this stuff. That's pretty interesting. But Napoleon was

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<v Speaker 1>a big proponent of archaeology. And I know we talked

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<v Speaker 1>during the King Tut's Tomb episode about Egyptology, and he

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<v Speaker 1>formed the Institute of Egypt basically a think tank in

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<v Speaker 1>the late seventeen hundreds of a hundred and seventy five scholars,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was just that fascination with Egypt and Napoleon

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<v Speaker 1>was all over. It formed this think tank and said

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<v Speaker 1>go find stuff right and like collected for me. And

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<v Speaker 1>they published a book too that really kind of loosed

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<v Speaker 1>archaeology and the idea of archaeology um on the world

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<v Speaker 1>is called Description of Egypt that they published in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>o nine. Such a bland title it was, but it

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<v Speaker 1>like created Egypt fever um and so that came out

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen o nine. In eighteen twelve, a British guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Richard Colt or h. O. A. R. E. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a book called Ancient History of Wiltshire in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>twelve and basically he described methods for excavating methodically. He

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<v Speaker 1>also um was the first to identify what are called tells,

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<v Speaker 1>which are mounds, ancient mounds of basically a city being

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<v Speaker 1>built on a city on the city in the city,

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<v Speaker 1>in the city that they've been continuously occupied for thousands

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<v Speaker 1>and thousands of years. And then you know who else

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<v Speaker 1>was a early archaeologist Harrison Ford earlier than him, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Thomas Jefferson in the eighteenth century, late

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<v Speaker 1>eighteenth early nineteenth century. He was methodically excavating burial mounds

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<v Speaker 1>UM on Monticello, on his land at Monticello, in between

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<v Speaker 1>rewriting the Bible. Yeah, he did a lot of stuff, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, he was one of the early ones to

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<v Speaker 1>methodically do it. So there's like all of this enthusiasm

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<v Speaker 1>as in for antiquities and basically what amounts to looting

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<v Speaker 1>and grave robbing. But simultaneously there's these independent gentleman scholars

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<v Speaker 1>who are amateurs because there is no academic field yet, um,

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<v Speaker 1>who are creating the UM basically the body of experimental archaeology.

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<v Speaker 1>How to do it, the methodology, the best practices. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteenth century, a guy named Charles Lyell basically

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<v Speaker 1>started um. They called it, you know, uniformitarian stratigraphy, and

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<v Speaker 1>which is actually a pretty big hornets test, is it? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I looked in into the uniformitarianism period and the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing is but what does that have to do with dating?

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<v Speaker 1>It was a dating system, Yeah, it basically Before then

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<v Speaker 1>there is this thing called catastrophism where basically it was

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<v Speaker 1>like the Earth is static and it changes only in

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<v Speaker 1>the face of major catastrophes like a comet strike or something.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the only thing that changes the Earth itself. Uniformitarian

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<v Speaker 1>stread geography basically says, no, that's not the case, and

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<v Speaker 1>it gave us what we now understand as geological processes

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<v Speaker 1>geological time scales. It basically said, the Earth changes constantly,

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<v Speaker 1>but our lifespan is so short we can't possibly witness it.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you look at this, the processes that take

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<v Speaker 1>place now are the processes that the Earth has always

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<v Speaker 1>been subjected to. So one of those processes is sediment,

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<v Speaker 1>sediment deposits, and you can date things thanks to sediment

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<v Speaker 1>deposits because they're actually a predictable thing. So when you're

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<v Speaker 1>digging in to sediment, you're digging into the past and

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<v Speaker 1>you can date something you find in that sediment. That's

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<v Speaker 1>basically what it gave our geology, digging into history. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like the idea that you can date from

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<v Speaker 1>layers of ground. Yeah it sounds easy now or not easy,

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<v Speaker 1>but it makes sense now, but back then it was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty ravel. That's our world view now. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the guys who introduced it, Charles Lyle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>our hats are all to you, sir, And he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>come up with it, but he was a huge proponent

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<v Speaker 1>of it who gained a lot of traction with it. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about methods in um Flinder Flinders Petrie Boy,

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<v Speaker 1>what a great name. In nineto four wrote a book

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<v Speaker 1>called Methods and Aims in Archaeology, and that was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first ones to sort of break down how

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<v Speaker 1>it responsibly excavate the site yeah um, and not just

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<v Speaker 1>to go in there and loot it um. And that

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<v Speaker 1>was a big turning point that the twentieth century, the

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<v Speaker 1>turn of the century. The find I think it's what

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<v Speaker 1>it's called, yeah um. That was a huge turning point

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<v Speaker 1>in archaeology. It really represented the when methodology took hold.

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<v Speaker 1>Like there was a guy named Heinrich Schliemann who discovered

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<v Speaker 1>Troy basically um and he uh just basically went in

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<v Speaker 1>and started tearing through the sediment and he identified a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of different layers of occupation, but he didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>document him like he should four definitely he had an

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<v Speaker 1>assistant named Wilhelm Dorpe felt yeah, and he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>took a different approach to it, a much more methodical approach.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of this took place at around the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>So like even on the site of troy Um. This

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<v Speaker 1>change from pillaging to methodology took place. Yeah, they probably

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<v Speaker 1>got tired of hearing their uh workers say broke, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, they're like, all right, well maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>should slow down and uh it broke be a little

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<v Speaker 1>more judicious with the shovel. Uh. Dating Um, old things

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<v Speaker 1>is a big part of archaeology. It's no good just

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<v Speaker 1>to find something. You want to know exactly where it

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<v Speaker 1>came from because well, one reason, because it has more

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<v Speaker 1>value if it's older. That was probably what led the

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<v Speaker 1>dating charge. But um, there's a bunch of different ways

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<v Speaker 1>they can date, and they have dated over the years. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Something can be self dated. If you find treasurer that's

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<v Speaker 1>stamped with a date, then it's done the work for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Relative dating. If you find something that's with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of other stuff that you can date, then you can

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<v Speaker 1>probably say, you know, this stuff from King Tut's tomb

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<v Speaker 1>is probably all around the same time period. Clay barbs counting,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is counting varves, which are little laminated sediments

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<v Speaker 1>that accumulate, and that can help you out for about

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand years back. No, it can go even further

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<v Speaker 1>than really, yeah, how far I mean as far as

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go in the sediment. That's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the uniformitarian stratiography. Oh, I was misreading and I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Our written chronology only goes back five thousands, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can yeah. Yeah. And then the idea we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give we didn't pay proper homage to um Darwin because

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<v Speaker 1>his we did a whole show on him, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>in this one um on the Origin of species um,

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<v Speaker 1>the that presented the idea that mankind had a history,

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<v Speaker 1>you that went back way further than a few thousand years,

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<v Speaker 1>and that kind of inspired archaeology to look around for

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<v Speaker 1>it more, you know. Uh. And then some of the

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<v Speaker 1>more recent ones, which we could probably do shows on

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of these, carbon dating radioactive carbon dating, potassium

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<v Speaker 1>argon dating, and thermo luminescence UM that measures light energy

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<v Speaker 1>and the intensity of light energy. Amazing, you can calculate

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<v Speaker 1>the last time an object was exposed to sunlight through

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<v Speaker 1>through thermo luminescence dating, and with potassium argon dating you

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<v Speaker 1>can date things back two million years if you believe

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth's been around the long so um. But just

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<v Speaker 1>a little more about the history of archaeology, if you'll

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<v Speaker 1>indulge me please. So methodology took place in the early

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century. It became about that time in academic discipline.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny enough, they didn't start applying the scientific method to

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<v Speaker 1>archaeology necessarily until like the fifties or sixties. But yeah, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but it had its own method, and the method it

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<v Speaker 1>among archaeologists was you find an artifact, you date it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you catalog it. The archaeologist job was to date

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<v Speaker 1>and catalog and ultimately contribute to this growing body of

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge that was the timeline of human history and preserve obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was like, these tools are older than this tool,

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<v Speaker 1>which means that the people who made these tools where

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<v Speaker 1>the predecessors of the people who made these tools. That

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<v Speaker 1>was it. Archaeologists got bored in the fifties, and they said,

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<v Speaker 1>we're explaining how these um these tools have progressed, or

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<v Speaker 1>human industry has progressed, but not why. Right when they

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<v Speaker 1>decided to start answering why, archaeology became a far more

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<v Speaker 1>interesting field. It became a multidisciplinary field, and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, they're bringing in experts in ceramics, experts in metallurgy,

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<v Speaker 1>and and grabbing all these people from different fields and

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<v Speaker 1>saying how can we answer why this changed? What led

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<v Speaker 1>to what change? And archaeology at that point in about

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<v Speaker 1>the fifties or sixties became the very far flong, widespread,

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<v Speaker 1>all encompassing, uh discipline that it is today. That's awesome. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so with help, Yeah, with a little help from their friends,

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<v Speaker 1>from their expert friends. All Right, I guess we can

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<v Speaker 1>talk right after this message, break a little bit about um,

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<v Speaker 1>how things start off. If you want to go to

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<v Speaker 1>gick something up. Okay, buddy, we're back. Uh. Field Work

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<v Speaker 1>is a word that you're going to hear an archaeology

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, and depending on who you talked to, it

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<v Speaker 1>might entail the whole process or just out in the field,

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<v Speaker 1>like at the actual excavation. But I think most folks

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<v Speaker 1>nowadays consider field work the excavation and all the pre work. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's a lot of research that goes into

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<v Speaker 1>it beforehand, in offices and school rooms and libraries and

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<v Speaker 1>what have you. And I think it's either all it's

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<v Speaker 1>everything including excavation, or it's all the stuff that leads

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<v Speaker 1>up to excavation is considered field work, right, I would

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<v Speaker 1>call it predig activity. That's what I would go with

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<v Speaker 1>that's where you go with. So excavation and field work

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<v Speaker 1>are two different things for you. Sure, Okay, if I

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<v Speaker 1>was opening up my own archaeological firm, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>my model. Yeah, it seems to be really there's not

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<v Speaker 1>a big problem with it either way. UM. So when

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<v Speaker 1>you when you do find something, like you said, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a couple of different ways things can be found.

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<v Speaker 1>They can be determinedly, doggedly solid after which can be

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<v Speaker 1>part of the field work, going through the stacks in

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<v Speaker 1>the library, looking for references in ancient literature, UM, and

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of trying to figure out where something might be.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Schlieman did with Troy. UM. He read the

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<v Speaker 1>Iliad I Believe, which um describes the Trojan War UM

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<v Speaker 1>and said look for clues. Yes, yeah, and and that's

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<v Speaker 1>when he was like, I'm pretty sure this is where

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<v Speaker 1>Troy is. Yeah, you're like a sort of a history

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<v Speaker 1>detective at that point exactly which is Indiana Jones. After that,

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<v Speaker 1>you may you have to go get some permits, vocal permits. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're also gonna want to go get a grant

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<v Speaker 1>because you're probably not going to fund this out of

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<v Speaker 1>your own pocket unless you're somebody like James Cameron or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. No, but grants can come

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<v Speaker 1>from rich people who may want some of the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe a museum wants to pony up some money

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<v Speaker 1>if they really want a certain exhibit in their museum, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or your university that you work for, UM should underwrite

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<v Speaker 1>some of it. Yeah, but you get your you get

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<v Speaker 1>your funding, you've got your grad student assistants. Maybe if

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be a really big dig you UM put

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<v Speaker 1>a flyer up at the local senior center. See if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody wants to come help during the days because of

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<v Speaker 1>the elderly would be good diggers, No, they would be

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<v Speaker 1>awesome diggers. And here's why it takes a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>patients to excavate a site. When you excavate a site,

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<v Speaker 1>you're basically coordining it off. UM. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>we've left at a really important point here. There's something

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<v Speaker 1>called geophysical prospecting, which basically uses uh, some pretty incredible

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<v Speaker 1>devices that measure differences in electromagnetism or electric connectivity in

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<v Speaker 1>the ground and then basically gives you a pretty picture

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<v Speaker 1>back saying here's something that's not rock. It's like an

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<v Speaker 1>advanced super advanced metal detector basically UM, but it can

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<v Speaker 1>also detect other really nuanced stuff like paint. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>everything detected. Yeah, it's just good stuff. So you you're

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<v Speaker 1>not just you may have read a book that says

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<v Speaker 1>I think that this ancient site is here, but then

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<v Speaker 1>you don't just start cordining off and digging. You do

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<v Speaker 1>a survey of the site to look for stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>see if it's likely that it might still be right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a huge step that, if you may see, youre

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible archaeologist. So I'm sorry we left that part out.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that you've got a basically a subterranean map of

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<v Speaker 1>the site, UM, you coordinate off and you start digging,

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<v Speaker 1>usually by meter, and when you're digging by meter, you

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<v Speaker 1>literally remove just one thin layer of that square meter

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<v Speaker 1>at a time. Yeah, because we we've said earlier preservation

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<v Speaker 1>is key and they were breaking things early on, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>one way to not break things is to go super

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<v Speaker 1>super slow, super slow, just a little bit at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know everyone has seen the footage of archaeologists

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<v Speaker 1>on their hands and knees blowing things with little little brushes,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is that UM, meticulous. Yes, might drive some

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<v Speaker 1>people crazy. It certainly would. Like construction worker guy probably

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to be on an archaeological day, no, But

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny you bring that up because construction worker guys

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<v Speaker 1>often find themselves in the midst of an archaeological dig.

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<v Speaker 1>Construction uh yields a lot of archaeological evidence. Like, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>in Miami recently, they came across a two thousand year

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<v Speaker 1>old Indian settlement. Yeah, the te Questa Indians Um had

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<v Speaker 1>a little spot in the middle of what's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a downtown of Miami's, you know, like their newest development,

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<v Speaker 1>and the developers are like, fine, just take some pictures

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<v Speaker 1>and let's get on with it. And the locals are like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to preserve this better. So they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out. But it happens a lot. Remember when

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the huge tunnel underwater tunnel they dug

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.919
<v Speaker 1>in Turkey. During construction of that, they ran into an

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<v Speaker 1>ancient site, so they had to bring in archaeologists. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what's called a rescue excavation, where it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>totally destroyed by a group of people who really could

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<v Speaker 1>care less one way or another what happens to these artifacts? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>in the name of continued industry. So the archaeologist comes

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<v Speaker 1>in documents everything, the placement, all that stuff dates it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that what what is documented from the excavation

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<v Speaker 1>that becomes the primary source for everybody else to follow.

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<v Speaker 1>By excavating, you're destroying inherently. Yes, And each state in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States has their own state archaeologists. Um. If

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<v Speaker 1>you go to do a construction project in Rome, let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>get ready for patients, because when you when you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to build something in Rome, I think they give out

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<v Speaker 1>about building permits a year, but they require an archaeological

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<v Speaker 1>evaluation of each one. And it's some say it can

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<v Speaker 1>cripple uh progress in Rome. Yeah, but if you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>been to Room, like, it's easy to appreciate the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they're doing that. Yeah. Sure, I mean it's just

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<v Speaker 1>the city built up against ancient, ancient ruins. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really really wonderful how they preserved everything. Yeah, it's neat.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only place in Italy I've been but un Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was awesome. I think, Uh someone else with was

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<v Speaker 1>complaining about how dirty it was, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been here a long time, right, Yeah, you know, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it does have the funk of age over like the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing. But yeah, it's still you just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna smell like Montreal. Does Montreal smell good?

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<v Speaker 1>I think Montreal is noted for being pretty clean for

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<v Speaker 1>a city. You can see that. It's a fastidious city.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I've heard. You've never been to Canada, do

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't? I grew up near the border, so I've

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<v Speaker 1>been plenty of times. Yeah, and hey, early early spoiler.

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<v Speaker 1>We may be going out to Canada this fall, to Vancouver. Yeah, Vancouver,

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<v Speaker 1>r It's listen up. In the near future, we may

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.440
<v Speaker 1>be coming to do some live show there this fall. Man,

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:45.880
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna go nuts if we don't actually go through

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>with this, that they won't remember we're gonna go though, Okay, alright,

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>So we talked a little bit about um, the transition

0:26:54.480 --> 0:27:00.480
<v Speaker 1>from our from grave robbing to archaeology looting archaeologic sites

0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:03.359
<v Speaker 1>and is still a thing. It didn't go away completely.

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.679
<v Speaker 1>So each country, in each state in the United States, like,

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 1>everyone has their own way to deal with this stuff.

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.000
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of archaeological acts that have been

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.840
<v Speaker 1>passed throughout the world to preserve things and to make

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:18.680
<v Speaker 1>sure there's not looting going on. But despite all their

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>best efforts, it still happens. And uh, trying things like

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:26.360
<v Speaker 1>putting up a big sign this is don't dig here,

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 1>do not enter. Sometimes I'm more of a welcome invitation. Yeah,

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 1>so sometimes they get tricky in uh, in New York

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:35.919
<v Speaker 1>they do things like environmentally sensitive do not enter, So

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:38.439
<v Speaker 1>they'll try and trick folks into thinking that, you know,

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 1>all you who enter will die. Um. But people pay

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.479
<v Speaker 1>money for artifacts still, and there is a black market.

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>People pay money for artifacts, and those people are very

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:52.879
<v Speaker 1>frequently called museums well and private collectors. Yeah a lot

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:56.199
<v Speaker 1>of times apparently, like dinosaur bones are super hot right now,

0:27:56.240 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 1>and Nicholas Cage has one that's contested. Um. It was

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>it was known to have been removed illegally from a

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 1>site that was never officially recognized um by basically some

0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 1>this couple that goes in and like they're really good

0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 1>at finding dinosaur bones, and then they sell him on

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the black market and apparently he's got a really awesome skull.

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 1>Of course he does. Um. He also has a house

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 1>in New Orleans that was this like a torture murder

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 1>house in the nineteenth century that this really priestess owned

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.159
<v Speaker 1>and like that's his house in New Orleans, like the

0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>site of just blood baths. Yeah, he's a weird guy, man.

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>I know. When he married Patricia Arquette, he did some

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 1>crazy list of things, or maybe she came up with

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 1>a crazy list of things that he had to do

0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>to marry her, and uh, he did them all and

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>it was a lot of it was like a big

0:28:55.160 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>stupid rich person treasure hunt like that was were creative

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.680
<v Speaker 1>than that. Oh I can't remember, like find me a

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>black rose, um, all these things that are hard to

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>come by. Then he did it and he married her

0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 1>and the divorced her. So it's a happy ending. Um.

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>But the black market, sorry, back to it if you're

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:18.800
<v Speaker 1>in Peru. They estimate they have lost about eighteen million

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.960
<v Speaker 1>dollars worth the artifacts and goods on the smugglers market.

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>And so they their Institute of Culture UM they register

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 1>that register their historic sites and they require that all

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the collections are registered. UM. They've partnered with the International

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Council of Museums and basically all these international museums they're

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to get together to thwart the thriving underground

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 1>archaeological goods, market goods, collectible goods. Sure, all right, but

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 1>that brings us in. So that brings us to the

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>interesting point on who owns the stuff. That's a great question.

0:29:58.800 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>For a very long time it was museums UM because

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>they were the ones who sent in professional looters archaeologists

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>at the time UM to go in and basically rob

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>a developing country of its antiquities and riches and history

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 1>and culture. Basically. Uh. In a lot of cases, the

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:24.959
<v Speaker 1>government in charge of the time was totally complicit, Like

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>for example, when um Yale sent in Hiram Bingham to

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Machu Pichu and he came out with a lot of

0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>artifacts from it. The proving government was totally in on

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>it at the time. I'm sure that the high officials

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>were getting tons of kickbacks from Yale for it. But nowadays,

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>a hundred years later, Yale is giving back it's Manchu

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Pichu artifacts. There's been a big move towards trying to

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>get back things exactly because the proving government has said,

0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.200
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, like, we're less corrupt than we were before,

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>and this is cultural heritage, and that belongs to us, Like, yeah,

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you've had it for a hundred years, but like there

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 1>was ours for thousands of years, so give it back.

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Not necessarily much. You teach you for thousands of years.

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 1>But there are plenty of antiquities that museums have had

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 1>for a very long time, right, but really belong to

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 1>the source country. Yeah, and that's a big sticking point

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>um every country. Like if if you want to know

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>who owns an artifact, if you find something, let's say, Uh,

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna depend on where you are. Every municipality, every state,

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 1>every country has their own laws as far as finders

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>keepers laws they call them. Uh, if you're in New Zealand,

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them are dated by time. Like if

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>it's newer than a certain age, go ahead and keep it.

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:47.960
<v Speaker 1>It's older than a certain age, you've got to talk

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>to us about it. Uh, found not older? When it

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>was found? Well, it depends on what country. Some countries

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>have a date on how old it is, but I

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>think the date is when it was found. Yes, certain

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>countries for sure, when it's found, certain it's the age

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>of the object. Um. It just depends on where you are.

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>And but in the date of when it was found

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>is usually the date that that comes after whatever act

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 1>was passed. Exactly. So in New Zealand, for example, if

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you found something prior to nineteen seventy six, which is

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>when the Antiquities Act of nineteen seventy five came into effect, UM,

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 1>you get to keep whatever you find right right. If

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 1>you found it after nineteen seventy six, then you have

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>to you have to alert the local authorities. If you're

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>in Sweden, UM, that has some pretty interesting laws. They say,

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 1>if if there's more than one object at a site,

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 1>then you have to report it to the government. If

0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 1>it's just one thing that you find, you can keep

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>it UM. And they have a finder's reward to encourage

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>people to be honest about it. UM. And if it's

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>only the single object, you still have to report it.

0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>If it's partially made of a precious metal or copper alloy,

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>but if it's If you're in Sweden you find an

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>old wooden bowl, right, I love this example, and that's

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the only thing you find, then you get to keep it. Uh.

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting though. UM. The United States says the

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 1>National Historic Preservation Act and the Archaeological Resource Protection Act,

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 1>and they claim I think the site must be at

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>least a hundred years old and remains must be related

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:30.959
<v Speaker 1>to past human life or activity. That means you have

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 1>to report it to the government. So it's like really

0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 1>like granular depending on where you are and what the law.

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>That's just two countries, Like there's there's something called treasure

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>trove law, which is basically it's this, but it has

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>to do with finding a bunch of riches where that

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>are old enough that the owner is clearly now dead,

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 1>no one can lay claim to it, and that they

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>were placed in a place where, um, they shows intent

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>for them to be retrieved, like they were buried next

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>to a tree or something like that, rather than buried

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>in a grave, because the grave would indicate that they

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>were meant to stay there with the dead body. So

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 1>if you find a treasure trove, all sorts of laws

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>kick in, like in in uh in the u K.

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.839
<v Speaker 1>In in England. You know, the Romans were all over

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>that place, so people find like hordes of Roman coins,

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>like when they're killing the ground in their farms, and

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>it used to be like, well that was yours. That's

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>not the case any longer. Yeah, sunken treasure, that's a

0:34:34.239 --> 0:34:38.480
<v Speaker 1>big controversial area too, because a lot of those are

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>private companies going after what they think is a lot

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.680
<v Speaker 1>of dough. Do you know the gold? That's where the

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:47.879
<v Speaker 1>concept of the camp thing going down with the ship

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 1>came from. How's that so? Uh? I was listening about

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 1>the fairy disaster and like the whether or not the

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>captain was supposed to stay on or the Costa concordia.

0:34:57.520 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>The tradition of the captain staying with the ship isn't

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 1>that The captains just well, the ship's going down, so

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm supposed to die. The captain is supposed to stay

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:11.399
<v Speaker 1>on until the ship is basically totally underwater, and then

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 1>he can get off. It has nothing to do with

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:17.879
<v Speaker 1>him dying. He's supposed to stay on because under maritime law,

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>as long as the captains on the ship, it's not

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 1>up for salvage. But the moment the captain leaves the ship,

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 1>it's anybody's anybody who wants to go salvage the thing,

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:29.799
<v Speaker 1>like that boat has been abandoned once the captain is

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:31.839
<v Speaker 1>off the ship. So the captain is supposed to stay

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 1>on until it's basically not salvageable anymore. Then he can

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 1>he can leave that just so if a if a

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 1>ship were just a partially sink, then then it's still

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:45.879
<v Speaker 1>salvageable and there's no captain. Yes, then you can claim it.

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Apparently that the captain is still you know, on top

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:52.839
<v Speaker 1>of the front of the boat, if he's anywhere sticking

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 1>out of the water. He's like, I'm staying, so you

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.759
<v Speaker 1>have to stay too, bartender, that's interesting. Hit me up

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 1>with a balini. Uh. UNESCO in nineteen seventy the UNESCO

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Convention established tried to establish some international standards for cultural property. Um.

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 1>But here's the deal with all those international organizations. They

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>can't demand that countries join, but they can encourage it,

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and more than a country, a hundred countries have ratified

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 1>it so far. Yeah. But the thing is is like

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>even if you join and ratify it, you can still

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>violate it. International law is so toothless, it's ridiculous. But um,

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>under that convention though, it's like you said, it's usually uh.

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 1>They usually side with the source country of the object

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>as far as ownership, which is good, and that seems

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 1>to be the prevailing wind. Now, like the the if

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the source country wants to lay claim to something, you

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 1>should give it back. It's part of a cultural heritage

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.800
<v Speaker 1>that got scattered to the wind in the nineteenth century

0:36:49.840 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>when museums were again employing basically professional grave robbers to

0:36:54.160 --> 0:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>go get them a bunch of stuff for the museum's collections.

0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.319
<v Speaker 1>And now the tides being reversed in a US. That's

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>called repatriation. Remember we talked about that in the um

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the Shrunken Heads episode, Like those shrunken heads are being

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:11.080
<v Speaker 1>repatriated back to the source. Yeah. Part it is something

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that worked for a long time up until the early

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>twentieth century. And that is basically, when uh, you dig

0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:20.839
<v Speaker 1>up you let's say, excavate a site and you find

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of great artifacts. Um, the country itself keeps

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>most of the stuff, but the digger can keep a

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.839
<v Speaker 1>couple of things. And they don't spell out exactly how

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:34.760
<v Speaker 1>many things because it was part. It wasn't like a law.

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.239
<v Speaker 1>But for a long time, if you like, you know,

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:39.279
<v Speaker 1>excavate a site, like hey, I want to keep these

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:41.800
<v Speaker 1>three things, you can have the rest in the Country's

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 1>like great, that works great. It's like sharing almost, yeah,

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's not almost, it's exactly sharing. And so we're

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about the black market being pretty hot for antiquities

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:55.839
<v Speaker 1>and UM artifacts. There's this um group called the International

0:37:55.880 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Council of Museums that basically created a list um it's

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>called the Red List that they put out I think

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 1>on a regular basis, But then they'll put out emergency

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 1>ones too when suddenly, like a black market in a

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.800
<v Speaker 1>certain area heats up, and it's pictures of specific items

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>and descriptions saying this item and things like it are

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>most likely to be smuggled and illegally sold in the

0:38:21.760 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 1>black market because there's a big market for him right now.

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting to go check out on the like

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the most wanted list for artifacts. Yeah, but they'll they're like,

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:33.360
<v Speaker 1>all the different artifacts that they have are really really

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 1>cool to just kind of browse through. And they have

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>a by region and country and stuff like that. What's

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>it called, uh, the International Council of Museums. You go

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>to their website and look for the Red lists. Those

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>guys party too. Have you ever been one of those conventions? Accidentally?

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.160
<v Speaker 1>They are wild? Yeah. If you remember an International Council

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 1>of Museums convention, you weren't there. You didn't do it right?

0:38:57.320 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 1>All right? I think we should finish up with an

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>interesting little bit about the Nazi Party because Hitler in

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>the gang were way into archaeology because they believed if

0:39:10.719 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>they could find proof that Germans were the original Aryan

0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 1>people's along with Thor and odin the Nordic gods, if

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>they could prove that we were the original people's and

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:26.759
<v Speaker 1>we ran the earth, then that would give them the

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 1>right to go in and take your country. Right. So

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 1>they weren't just interested in things. They were interested in

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to prove that they owned the world pretty much. Yeah,

0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 1>that they were descended from the Aryan race, which was

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<v Speaker 1>the proto Indo European group. Yeah, the mythical yeah yeah, yeah,

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 1>so and that was I was not clear on that,

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 1>like our did the Aryan race definitely exist? Well, I

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>think the the Nordic gods, yeah, I don't know about that. Well,

0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:59.439
<v Speaker 1>they would be mythical, but yeah, there were the people

0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:02.840
<v Speaker 1>who worship them. They were the Arian race, right, I

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know. That's a good question. So I think that

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 1>there was an Arian race in which we would call

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<v Speaker 1>the Nordic or Germanic people. So I think whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not what makes it mythical is the idea of whether

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:18.840
<v Speaker 1>it was some pure white race made it some master

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.840
<v Speaker 1>race in the eyes of the Nazis, so then it

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 1>may have been a mythical people. We'd love to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from you if you're an expert on early proto Indo

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 1>European cultures. It was there a group called the Arians

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the Nazis were concerned, Yes, there was,

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:39.360
<v Speaker 1>and that the Nazis were the new version of that, right, yeah,

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>for sure. And UH and this started even pre war

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:49.359
<v Speaker 1>in n Himmler actually founded um, something called the UH.

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:53.879
<v Speaker 1>And this is German, of course, uh anina be that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm gonna call it. A h N E N

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>E R b E. Don't you speak German? Yeah, but

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>that it doesn't look like a German word. It's weird. Yeah,

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>it does look a little French. UM. And it was well,

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>it was known as the Ancestral Heritage Research and Teaching Society.

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 1>And one of Hitler's bigs big plans was, you know,

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 1>when he took control of Germany, he took control of

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:18.719
<v Speaker 1>the education system, everything, and he wanted to flood that

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:22.359
<v Speaker 1>education system with Nazi propaganda. And so they formed this

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, they call it a think tank, but what

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 1>they really did was a lot of archaeological digs all

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:30.200
<v Speaker 1>over the world. Um, like you said, trying to prove

0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean we're talking Croatia, Greece, Russia, Iceland, North Africa.

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>They were going everywhere trying to find traces of what

0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 1>they believe were ancient Germans in the original master race,

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>right and Um. One of the places they went was

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Iceland because apparently that's where tool t h u l

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:51.319
<v Speaker 1>E was, which was the seat of the Nordic gods. Right.

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 1>And they looked for um something called the Hoff, which

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>was a place where they were supposedly worshiped by the Arians.

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.280
<v Speaker 1>And they said, we found it, we found this cave,

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 1>this mystical place of worship. Um. And somebody else came

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 1>along and said, no, this cave wasn't inhabited until the

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:14.560
<v Speaker 1>eighteenth century, so not the hof. Nazis and then the

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 1>British and the Americans came in occupied Iceland and the

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Nazis were not able to come back. That's just one

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:24.760
<v Speaker 1>example of their failed expeditions. Right. Yeah, they had eighteen

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:30.680
<v Speaker 1>archaeological expeditions total, and none of them, uh bore fruit.

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>They were fruitless. They were fruitless. They didn't provide any

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>information that the Nazis were the original master race because

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:42.479
<v Speaker 1>they were not. That's right. They were just a bunch

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 1>of terrible people, all right. I think you can say

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.439
<v Speaker 1>that I'm taking a stand on Nazis. I dare someone

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to write in and to defend the Nazis. Yeah, I

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 1>dare you anything else. Oh you beat me to the punch. No,

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't, man um and uh. If you want to

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 1>learn more about archaeology, how stuff Works is a veritable

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:09.239
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0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 1>to know. Basically, you probably would get a degree if

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:18.239
<v Speaker 1>you read everything on archaeology. Not true, you could, okay possibly?

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh and um, just type archaeology into the search part

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.080
<v Speaker 1>how stuff works. Allow me to spell that for you

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>A R C H A E O, L O G Y.

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 1>Is that one of those you have to sound out

0:43:30.760 --> 0:43:33.880
<v Speaker 1>in your head? No? Remember that was the first I

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>was able to spell that word earlier. I remember, but

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I just know I see it in my head. Okay,

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I see the letters. I think everyone has those words

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:45.720
<v Speaker 1>still though as adults, you sound out that were difficult.

0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:48.720
<v Speaker 1>One of mine, for some reason is because I always

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 1>in my head at A B C, A U S

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.240
<v Speaker 1>C and I still do that in my head. Mine

0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 1>is uh pretty much anything with the C E I yeah,

0:43:56.960 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 1>spread oh man, are not just words, and it's even

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.919
<v Speaker 1>got that accompanying rhyme I before you accept after see.

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 1>But any time I see a C and there's eyes

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 1>and he's involved, I have to go back and correct myself.

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Basically that's called putting learning into practice. That's a dumb

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:19.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm a dummy now okay, Oh speaking of speaking of dumb,

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:22.360
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0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.120
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0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>that's a good one. But anyway, since I said all that,

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I imagine chuck. Finally, it's a time at long last

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>for listener and mail. I'm gonna call this um thieving mailman.

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 1>I think this is sorry thieving garbage man. Um you're like,

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, hey, guys, listen to how tipping works and

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 1>have a funny story. Um. A couple of years ago

0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:32.440
<v Speaker 1>at Christmas, my mom wanted to leave our garbage man

0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 1>a nice tip. She says, garbage man. By the way,

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.799
<v Speaker 1>we're not saying that because I know sanitation workers proper term.

0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 1>These are Emily Crawford's words. I should preface this by

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 1>saying that our garbage man isn't like the typical city

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 1>pickup guys. He has a small business and he comes

0:45:48.040 --> 0:45:50.800
<v Speaker 1>to collect people's trash at their garages with his pickup truck.

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.560
<v Speaker 1>They must live in the sticks. My parents have a

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:56.440
<v Speaker 1>long driveway and don't want to drag the trash can

0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 1>to the end of the driveway, so they hired this guy.

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 1>My mom put some money and a card and a

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.480
<v Speaker 1>white envelope um as the tip, and she didn't want

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:07.080
<v Speaker 1>to tape the envelope to the trash bags for fear

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:09.800
<v Speaker 1>of it being thrown away by accident. And it was wendy,

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 1>so she decided to take it to this iron horsehead

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.759
<v Speaker 1>that we have sitting by a planter next to our

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:18.040
<v Speaker 1>garage doors. She attached an image, but I don't have it.

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:20.839
<v Speaker 1>Just imagine, you know, it's a little ring to his nose.

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Later that day, when my mom was, no, this horseheads

0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 1>because they have it like on the side. Yeah, they do.

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 1>It's on the side like from their bridle. I'm talking

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 1>about this picture I saw, trust me, I had a

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:37.720
<v Speaker 1>ring through its nose. Yeah. It was like a knocker show. Okay,

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I see that kind of thing. Uh So, later that day,

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:42.759
<v Speaker 1>when my mom was I love that I looked at

0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>this picture. You're like, no, it didn't look later that

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:51.279
<v Speaker 1>are or you're lying eyes. Later that day, when my

0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 1>mom was coming back home from running errands, she saw

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:55.719
<v Speaker 1>that the trash had been picked up and the horsehead

0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 1>was gone. The garbage man must have assumed it was

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 1>a gift for him. Well, and he took the envelope

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 1>in the horsehead. It wasn't valuable, but we also didn't

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.439
<v Speaker 1>want to give it away. We never got it back

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 1>and never brought it up to the garbage man. But

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I laugh when I think about his reaction was probably

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:17.239
<v Speaker 1>what the heck? They gave me this envelope and a horsehead? Uh.

0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 1>And I just hope you put it in his house somewhere,

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:21.600
<v Speaker 1>So I hope you get a little laugh out of this.

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:25.440
<v Speaker 1>We did from Emily Crawford. Nice, thanks a lot, Emily Crawford.

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 1>That's good stuff. And somewhere there that sanitation worker has

0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:35.440
<v Speaker 1>your your family heirloom. Um, that's a good story. You

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:38.480
<v Speaker 1>know what. It reminded me of what the greatest movie

0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>starring Emilia Westeves and Charlie Sheen ever made, Men at Work.

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 1>I never saw that. What I did not see it.

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.000
<v Speaker 1>That is a good movie. You need to see that.

0:47:48.120 --> 0:47:50.640
<v Speaker 1>I know they're sanitation guys and they find something valuable,

0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:52.800
<v Speaker 1>probably that someone else wants and so they're in trouble

0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:55.799
<v Speaker 1>for it. But you just wrote the script. Yeah, no,

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>it's but all the hijinks set ensue in the meantime

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 1>are hilarious. Great supporting cats too, including Chainsaw from Summer

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:08.279
<v Speaker 1>school Boy. Man. I love your taste of movies. It

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:11.799
<v Speaker 1>runs the gamut, So uh? Is that it? That's it?

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