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Speaker 1: Hey everyone. Quick note before we dive in today's episode

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Speaker 1: contains descriptions of physical violence of abuse head as such,

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Speaker 1: may not be appropriate for all audience members. Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Shout out to our what an Only superproducer,

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Speaker 1: Mr Max Williams. Give him a hand, give him to

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Speaker 1: give him three, you know, give him another, give another.

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Speaker 1: Woo Yeah he is. We are actively wooing you Max. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I have been uh Noel, you and I are very

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Speaker 1: excited because we got we got our stuff together and

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Speaker 1: managed to make a two part or ahead of time

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Speaker 1: about bizarre behind the scenes stories from the world of film.

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Speaker 1: And we are immensely fortunate to have returning guests in

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Speaker 1: today's episode. Right yeah, self proclaimed idiot alumnio Stanford University,

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Speaker 1: uh Lee, Hannah Holsten and Sianna Jacole, the hosts of

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Speaker 1: the Tossed Popcorn podcast. I didn't make that up, that's

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Speaker 1: in your I forget that, just published that publicly, but

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Speaker 1: it is that it is right. What's up my boys? Hello? Hello,

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Speaker 1: good to have you back. Um, it's actually so Peak

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Speaker 1: Behind the Curtain behind the episode about the Peak Behind

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Speaker 1: the Curtain. We usually record these kind of back to back,

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Speaker 1: but it's actually been a couple of days. Um, so

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Speaker 1: we've had time to kind of marinate on we talked

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Speaker 1: about in the last episode and are super excited to

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Speaker 1: talk about two new bizarro Hollywood tales. Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 1: may I quickly before I forget um, Sienna and I

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Speaker 1: actually are gonna be starting a celebrity feud and we're

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Speaker 1: very happy to be announcing that on your show. And

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Speaker 1: it is with a friend of your pod and co

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Speaker 1: host of a different pod with you, the one, the only,

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Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. Oh so this was gosh August of last

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Speaker 1: year's that write, Sienna, I can say, yes, that sounds sure.

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Speaker 1: We were on an I Heeart all staff call introducing

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Speaker 1: ourselves and he suggested that he was going to start

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Speaker 1: a rival podcast called cot Popcorn, in which he gives

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Speaker 1: a response to each of our episodes as as a

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Speaker 1: self proclimed film buff. And he said, oh ha ha,

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Speaker 1: very funny, Matt Frederick. This is the beginning of a

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Speaker 1: lovely and beautiful friendship. We followed him on Instagram. It

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Speaker 1: has been seven months no follow heads occurred from him

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Speaker 1: back to us, so that Frederick, we're calling you out

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Speaker 1: many In his defense, he is absolutely not a social

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Speaker 1: media with It's like to the point where when Ben

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Speaker 1: and I call at our personal socials on the podcast

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Speaker 1: with what we do with Matt, he just makes up

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Speaker 1: a new fake one every time. Very private guys, they

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Speaker 1: don't take it personally. But we'll definitely pass along the beef.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm texting him now. Let's see

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Speaker 1: if we may have an update after this, uh for

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Speaker 1: this already a celebrity feud with you. I do think

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Speaker 1: popcorn is cute though, because do you guys toss it

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Speaker 1: and then he catches it presumably in his mouth with

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Speaker 1: his face all right, So just just shot that light

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Speaker 1: to him. We'll get an update if he if he

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Speaker 1: chimes back in. Um, I don't know about you knowl

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Speaker 1: but I support this feud, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: He's got, but there has to be a podcast first

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Speaker 1: for the feud to truly exist. I think I think

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Speaker 1: beef about not following back on Instagram is a little

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Speaker 1: a little to minor, Like we need to get him

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Speaker 1: to get the podcast up and running and then you

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Speaker 1: guys can truly be rivals in the space. Staring only

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Speaker 1: gifted him another podcast he needs. Just so, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about uh feuds today, but do

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Speaker 1: tune into part one of this episode, which came out

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Speaker 1: earlier last week, I think on a Thursday, and you

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Speaker 1: want to you want to check out some amazing stories there,

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Speaker 1: things that will change the way that you think of

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Speaker 1: the Wizard of Oz. I'm trying to say that diplomatically,

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Speaker 1: and uh, and you'll learn, you'll learn the story of

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Speaker 1: an amazing, an amazing journey from surviving the actual Titanic

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Speaker 1: wreck to being in the first movie about the Titanic,

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Speaker 1: like literally, what was it all? A week later? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they really fast checked that one classic Hollywood fashion, and

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Speaker 1: did not go well. Well, I mean, it went well

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Speaker 1: the uh, the woman who started it. And you'll learn

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Speaker 1: all about that in part one. So we're gonna pause

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Speaker 1: for the magic of podcasting. Let you catch up. Perfect,

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Speaker 1: all right, you're caught up, So we're diving back in. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We're so glad that you're here with us today, folks.

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Speaker 1: I was also quite excited about this first story we're

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Speaker 1: going to explore. Sienna, you have dug up some fascinating

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Speaker 1: and maybe not entirely wholesome things about the legendary comedic

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Speaker 1: actor Charlie Chaplin. Correct speaking of women being screwed over

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Speaker 1: from the last podcasting up against Oh oh wow, start

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Speaker 1: this fune for women's right. Let us fight, Matt please

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Speaker 1: big blind spot in my film knowledge around Charlie Chaplin movies.

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Speaker 1: uh it's another Hollywood boy. Um. Yeah. So I was

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Speaker 1: divorce from his teenage wife, Lita Gray teenage. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: red flags, a lot of red flags. Are you guys?

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Speaker 1: Are you ready to hear about it? Yeah? Wait, hang on,

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Speaker 1: let me chip some coffee. Okay, I'm braced. Charlie Chaplin,

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Speaker 1: as we know, Sir Charles Spencer Chaplin is the name

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Speaker 1: he was born with. First name sirin Uh. He was

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Speaker 1: after that, Chaplain and Gray met again when he was

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Speaker 1: know what family member shotgun wedding, and I Sanna, can

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Speaker 1: I ask you a question please, which is, why does

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Speaker 1: him marrying her make it all better? Like? What what

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Speaker 1: be highly unlikely that she would have mentioned that or

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Speaker 1: confirmed it in a public sphere because of the rampant

427
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Speaker 1: misogyny at the time. And then also, this is an

428
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: abusive relationship clearly, so a lot of the stuff that's

429
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: happening is about control rather than what he has is

430
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: or is not into. So um, I mean, if you

431
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: think about it, is one again, one of the most

432
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 1: famous movie stars in the world at this time. I

433
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: think he could just find like two fans if that

434
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: was the important part of the sexual experience. He could

435
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: just find two random people, but he wanted to force

436
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: someone to do something they did not want to do.

437
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: It does certainly appear that way. I gotta asked, I mean,

438
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: did this like Torpedo his career or I mean I

439
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: feel like we're early in his career at this point

440
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: and he went on to make other big movies. He

441
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: hasn't even made The Great Dictator yet. Correct. Yeah, no,

442
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: he moved on to Both those movies that he was

443
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: making during their marriage came out and they did great,

444
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: and then yeah, it didn't. It didn't stop his career

445
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: at all. And he went on to get married two

446
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: more times. Yes, she was his second wife, so he

447
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: was heard two more times after that. She was his

448
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: second wife. Yeah, I forgot to his first wife is

449
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: just tossing popcorn. Hey, But his career, no, I mean

450
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: he went on to to keep doing doing great things.

451
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: So uh. She though, ended up apparently investing the money

452
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: sort of poorly in a nightclub and doesn't do very well.

453
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: But here's here's the happy ending, and this is what

454
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: I love. Is that? So she ended up working at

455
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: a department store in Beverly Hills, and many places. I

456
00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: read that she really liked it. Okay, you know, like

457
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: in a shopping environment. Thank god, it takes a certain type,

458
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: right like, I'm sure, especially in some of those really

459
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: high end boutiqui type spots, that's a certain set of skills,

460
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, to to be there every day and dealing

461
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: with the public, you know. So yeah, I'm sure she

462
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: really did. Yeah. I read one of her obituaries, and um,

463
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: I read an obituary about her in some time in

464
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: the nineties when she passed, and it said that she

465
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: was really good natured about the way that any of

466
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: the things that have happened in her life. And I

467
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: don't know, it makes me feel better to know that

468
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: she had a happy life beyond that or found you know.

469
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean people people move on and get through. But

470
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: just after having just a horrible, horrible adolescence, she wanted

471
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: something simpler, you know, something less messy and you know

472
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: than the public eye. I mean, it makes perfect sense

473
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: that she would go to something more like in the

474
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: private sector and kind of just you know, do her thing. Yeah, yep.

475
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: And Charlie Chaplin went on to eat many more shoes

476
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: the end. Also, guys, I have a. I have another

477
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: dark note I would like to throw in, and it

478
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: is about Charlie Chaplin's other wives and more importantly their ages.

479
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: So his first wife, Mildred Harris, they were married from

480
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: I believe nineteen eighteenth to nineteen twenty. She was sixteen

481
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: when they started dating. They got married when she believes

482
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: she had become pregnant. Oh, yepife, we have, we have

483
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: Paul ittt got Goddard, got Goddard Goddard. Yeah, I don't know,

484
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I believe she was twenty two. She's

485
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: a little more appropriate, I guess, but she's the elders

486
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: elder of these women. And then his last one, Una O'Neil.

487
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: Important thing. She met Chaplain in nineteen two, so at

488
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: this point he would have been what fifty three. She

489
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen so she would have been around

490
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen years old. Man's got a patterns, actually, the

491
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: depressing facts. I've got a great segue for this. By

492
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: the way, here is a quote from someone will Meet

493
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: in just a Moment about Charlie Chaplin, And this is

494
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: what we call in podcasting a segue. Here we go

495
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: the quote, I'm not going to do a voice on this,

496
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: but we are going to run into some voices. Just

497
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: heads up, comic genius or not. When I went to

498
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: London to work with him, that being Chaplain late in

499
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: his life, he was a fearsomely cruel man, probably the

500
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: most sadistic man I've ever met, an egotistical tie Rent

501
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: Penny pincher. He would publicly harass people. It goes on,

502
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: it goes on. The person saying this about Chaplin did

503
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: work with him and does have some feelings, and that

504
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: person is our next story for this episode. Marlon Brando,

505
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: dang killing the Segway man that was on the edge

506
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: of my seat. Thanks No, that's why I skipped all

507
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: those meetings this morning. And it's just kind of the Segway.

508
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: But no one talk to me. I gotta no one

509
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: talked to me unless you've got some Brando quotes. So

510
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: I need to write. I'm at the bank and I'm

511
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 1: going there's no time, so, uh, the abandoned bank where Nolan,

512
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Max and I work apparently sorry HQ, Yeah, yeah, we

513
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: gotta have an HQ. If we were villains, it would

514
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: be a layer, but we we aim for the more

515
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: our heroic anti heroic side anyway, so behind the scenes uh.

516
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: On this behind the scenes episode. We had talked about

517
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: this briefly when we were recording earlier. I had started

518
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: out thinking, let me find a specific film that has

519
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: a really crazy set of stories behind it, similar to

520
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: Leona your work with Wizard of Oz. So I went

521
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: to Apocalypse Now and I was like, this is crazy.

522
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: You know, how how wild does a film have to

523
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: be to how off the rails does it have to

524
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: go for there to be an award winning documentary about

525
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,959
Speaker 1: how off the rails it went? Uh? And then I thought, well,

526
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: let's get weirder with it. Maybe that Island of Dr

527
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: Moreau reboots. And then I started looking at these other films.

528
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: Out of these weird stories that I recognized the one

529
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: constant in them was Mr Marlon Brando. Uh, I said,

530
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: before you know him. You might love him now, but

531
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: hang on a sec and see you at the end

532
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: of this show. There's no denying the guy was is

533
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: still widely considered one of the greatest actors of his era.

534
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: He's in countless canonical works posthumously. He has ascended to

535
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: one of the newest forms of celebrity, which is being

536
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: a meme right like at this point, films like The Godfather.

537
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: You may not have actually seen it, but it is

538
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: referenced so often in American culture that you already know

539
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: what happens, you know what I mean, That's like definition

540
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: of a classic. But what catches me about this guy

541
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: is he was so weird. Disclaimer, there's a little bit

542
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: of like, we're going to get into some more problematic things,

543
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: which is why his complaints about Charlie Chaplin strike me

544
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: as dubious and hilarious. Uh and certainly not self aware.

545
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: So let's let's first talk about it. I think we

546
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: we all are familiar with Apocalypse Now. That's that's how

547
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: my entry point began. Apocalypse Now based on heart darkness,

548
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: very loostly based on hearted darkness, like the Vietnam movie.

549
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: Uh huh yeah, yeah, we gotta we gotta make it

550
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: clear that they're they're not kidding. This is the whole

551
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: point of your show is that you I haven't don't

552
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: know anything about moving duper movie literate, got actually unaware,

553
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: but I did read Heart of Darkness in high school

554
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: and it ruined my month setting material. Yeah yeah, it

555
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: is very much upsetting. Um, So Apocalypse Now is about

556
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: this shady military operative who was sent off the books

557
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: on a covert operation to travel to hostile territory and

558
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: to assassinate a legendary colonel who has lost his mind

559
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: and has gone like has become a warlord in his

560
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: own right slash cult leader. Oh see, that's about it,

561
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's about right. What did you say,

562
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: Like you sort of is like become sort of like

563
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: a weird tribal leader like on in this area and

564
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: he sort of has all these like cult members and

565
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: like a compound and um very much living kind of

566
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: off the grid in this um you know world that

567
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: he's built for himself. Yeah, and one one very weird

568
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: photo journalist played by who was that it's not important,

569
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: so it wasn't Marlon Brando. Marlon Brando plays the crazy guy.

570
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: He plays Colonel Kurtz. And Apocalypse Now, which I love

571
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: as a film because it has some really strong monologues.

572
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: Apocalypse Now was a disaster the entire time it was

573
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: being filmed. It was filmed in nineteen in the nineteen

574
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: seventies in the Philippines because the thinking was that this

575
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: will look enough like Vietnam for us to get the

576
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: tone across. But everything, everything, Everything that could have went

577
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: wrong went wrong. They had to replace the protagon this

578
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: with a different actor. So Martin Sheen is the one

579
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: you'll see on screen. Now. He had a heart attack

580
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: while doing this. Yeah, there's a scene where he's drinking

581
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: a lot, right, so he is going full method and

582
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: he's getting wasted on camera so much so that he hurt.

583
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: He smashes a mirror with his bare hand. He has

584
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: a heart attack. And yeah, and that they shot that

585
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: that exists. Oh my god. Yeah, wow, that's and you're

586
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: gonna see that early. And uh so they really wanted yeah, yeah,

587
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: and this is the beginning. So they really wanted Marlon

588
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: Brando to play this iconic villain. Brando hadn't. Brando was

589
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: not at his best at this phase in his life.

590
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: He was doing this apparently just for the money. He

591
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: only showed up on set for about four weeks and

592
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: he got three million dollars for this. Uh And he

593
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: had a list of demands that you could make if

594
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: you're like a chaplain or Brando, and they were stuff like,

595
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: I am not gonna work at all on the weekends,

596
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: I am not gonna work past five thirty, and I

597
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: really learned lines. You guys, I just kind of vibe

598
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. So there was also yeah, and not

599
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: to be sizes. But this is something that really angered

600
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: the directors here because when Brando finally shows up, like

601
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: the last time they had seen him in the public eye,

602
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: he physically looked very different, and that's who they thought

603
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 1: they were casting as Kurts. Uh. This is actually why

604
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: most of the shots of of Brando's character in the film,

605
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: and he shows up late in the film, the majority

606
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: of those shots are him moving through this interplay of

607
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: light and shadow. And actually, this is just my opinion.

608
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: I think it. I think it works really well. Yeah,

609
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: a lot of close ups, a lot of type close

610
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: ups on his like weird bald head. Um. Yeah, that

611
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: that that monologue, what does he say, like the horror area,

612
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: it's it's it's an interesting I mean, it's a testament

613
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: to Coppola too, and he was able to kind of

614
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: like roll with that and make it work. And now

615
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think of that character any other way. I mean,

616
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: I can picture a world where this guy kind of

617
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: was being sort of like worshiped as a god and

618
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: just like you know, served all the slaughtered you know,

619
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: animals that he could eat and and he gained some weight,

620
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: didn't really move around what he sat in the you know,

621
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: in a throne made of human bones, That's what I'm picturing. Yeah,

622
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: he also struggled with binge eating for a large part

623
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: of his life. This this stuff wasn't coming out of norwhere.

624
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: But he was a real pill to work with. He

625
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: also just decided he would do it he wanted in

626
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: his scenes. The guy I mentioned who played the photo journalist,

627
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: that was Dennis Hopper And yeah, and they got like

628
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: fights all the time. Uh, and Hopper was saying, you know,

629
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: this guy is so massively unprofessional. And then Brando eventually

630
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: refuses to be on set whenever Dennis Hopper is there.

631
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: So it's kind of tough just logistically to to film

632
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: the sort of stuff. You know, Uh, Hoppers time too, right,

633
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean he's like he's probably throwing his way around too. Um.

634
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: He was a big star. Yeah, and they did kill

635
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: water Buffalo. Like, the more you learned about this, the

636
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: more amazing it becomes to realize that this movie was

637
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: made at all the improvised, Like the main your main

638
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 1: stars are just improvising stuff. One guy almost dies everybody

639
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: was partying like they were in college. Uh, and that's

640
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: not the weirdest. That's still not the weirdest. Behind the

641
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: scenes thing, I would like to take us to the

642
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: Island of Dr Moreau. Everybody knows that that story we're

643
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: talking about the the more recent adaptation, and I just

644
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: want to check. Has has anyone seen this? No? I

645
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: think you've seen this. Yeah, I saw it. I saw

646
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: it when it came up in the theaters, just like

647
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: it's a movie about like spooky animal people on a

648
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: creepy island. I didn't know anything about. That was probably

649
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 1: the first time I've ever really thought about who Marlon

650
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: Brando was. So to me, he was just this big,

651
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: fat guy with like white grease paint all over his

652
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: face and like a little bandana. I didn't know any

653
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: of his classics. I was like a kid. But um,

654
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: weird movie. Watching it now, you know, realizing how troubled

655
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: the production was, but also just what a weird movie

656
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: it was. The whole thing about that with the director

657
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: being a weirdo too, and lots of interesting stuff. So

658
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: let's let's dive into the recap of this. It is

659
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: based on or it's an interpretation of an adaptation of

660
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: the the famous uh, the famous novel Island of Dr Moreau,

661
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: in which you discover that another isolated madman has been

662
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: up to weird shenanigans when a little bit uh Yeah,

663
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: I love that they've done this, just like Boys Left Alone.

664
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: It gets crazy like the flies too. It's ochaotic, it's

665
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: not it's not inaccurate, I unfortunately. So one of the

666
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: first things you'll notice if you're like a if you're

667
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: like a young Ben Max or Nol and you're watching

668
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: this is if you if you know about the Island

669
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: Dr Moreau, you'll think there are some really interesting aesthetic choices.

670
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: If you're like many people who maybe you read the

671
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: book in or you read the story of middle school

672
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: or high school or something, you're gonna be thinking, I

673
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: don't remember these hats, or I don't remember the guy

674
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: being slathered with sunscreen. It was that white sunscreen. I

675
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: just like it's all over face. I have screen shot.

676
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't know I think about this movie. Besides, I

677
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: saw the screenshot of Brando. Yeah, doesn't he have like

678
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: a little familiar Ben like a little weird dude that's

679
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: like sitting on his shoulder. The whole time out with him. Yes,

680
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: and he wasn't supposed to. Yes, Okay, yeah, it's a

681
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: real guy. One of the world's smallest working actors at

682
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: this time, was originally cast to be a to be

683
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: like one of the ensemble of part human, part animal

684
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: creatures that were made by Dr Moreau. But as soon

685
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: as Brando saw him, now will give you the quote

686
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: he's problematic, Yeah, he said. He was like, is that real?

687
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: Are you telling me there's a man in there? And

688
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: then like he literally said that, And from that point

689
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: on he's like, this guy has to be in every

690
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: scene with me. We're gonna dress alike, and I have

691
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: some notes on how Dr Moreau dresses. It's like a

692
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: mini me situation. It's kind of now that I'm looking

693
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: at the phone, does he's just sitting side by side

694
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: and he's when they're wearing the same outfit. It's like

695
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: every scene, every scene. He demanded it. He also didn't

696
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: learn his lines. He was like lines and he uh.

697
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: In one case, um, this is a guy who in

698
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: some other movies had had people who's acting opposite of

699
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: they literally had his lines like taped to their bodies. Um.

700
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: In in Moreau, he was using an earpiece, and so

701
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: there was literally some you know, hapless script supervisor p

702
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: A who got the not enviable job of having to

703
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: having to go, okay, get this protis say we are

704
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: verily reaching the things of surgery, and he's like the surgery. Yeah, uh,

705
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the director. See, like,

706
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: not all of this disaster is on Marlon Brand. A

707
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: lot of it is as well as his co star.

708
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: Val Kilmer was an absolute pill at this time. Um.

709
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: But the nol I think you mentioned the director. The

710
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: director uh was originally Richard Stanley and this was a

711
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: passion project for him. It was his dream to make

712
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: this book into a blockbuster. But he was let go

713
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: from the film about three days into production, so he

714
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 1: had a great three days. Um. And instead they hired

715
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: a guy named John Frankenheimer, director of the Manchurian Candidate,

716
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 1: to take over. But this, uh, this poor guy Stanley,

717
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: he was getting bullied by Val Kilmer, and like Val

718
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: Kimer would just alter dialogue. He would stand if he

719
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: wasn't in a scene, he would stand behind the director,

720
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: chain smoking cigarettes and essentially talking trash about everything the

721
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: director did, which is not typically the role of an actor. Um,

722
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: let's see what a catcher does you know to like

723
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: psych out the picture? Right? A bad about Um? So

724
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: this poor guy Stanley actually gets fired by facts and

725
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: she's like a text pass the time, right, he got

726
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: future fired. Yes, that's how apparently Phil Collins divorced one

727
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: of his wives by interesting little detail about that guy.

728
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: So there is something else will notice here if we

729
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: go back to the Brando and the kind of mini

730
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: me thing that he demanded uh. Every day before they

731
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: would begin filming, Brando and Frankenheimer, the director who lasted

732
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: would meet up in the morning and Brando would always

733
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: have script changes that he was certain would make the

734
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: film uh much much better. And Frankenheimer had just had

735
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: his spirit broken at some point and he was like, okay, fine,

736
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: that's when you see things like Brando's saying, I need

737
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: Dr Maroau's entire face has to be covered in white makeup. Uh.

738
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: And also he needs to always be wearing a hat. Uh.

739
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: And these hats are very different things. Sometimes they're like

740
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: regular hats, like a sun hat you would see to

741
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: provide a lot of shade over the shoulders, and then

742
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: other times the things like an ice bucket. Like Marlon

743
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: Brandon was walking around on the set he finds an

744
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: ice bucket and he's like, no, this is a hat.

745
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: I have to say that. I think it's an interesting choice,

746
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, like at the time and you know, if

747
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: you're the director, I can see that being super annoying,

748
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: but like it does make the character seem more kind

749
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: of insane and like you know, but also kind of

750
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: like maybe this is what a real insane mad doctor

751
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: would would do. He would like have phobias about the

752
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: sun and stuff. And I think the shots with him

753
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: and the and the smaller version of him are are interesting. Uh.

754
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: And he also famously did something like that on The Godfather,

755
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: where I think it was his idea to stuff his

756
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 1: mouthful of cotton and all that. So he kind of

757
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: had a reputation for making these like wacky mavericky calls

758
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: that end up working. Um, you know, this movie is

759
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: not good, but he makes some interesting choices. Well, it's

760
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's going into beyond good and evil territory.

761
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: I think after hitting thresholds, you know, yeah, it just

762
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: kind of exists. But but here's the here's the rumor

763
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: I heard because I was trying to I was trying

764
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: to hunt this down. Apparently there was a method to

765
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: his method acting madness. Here it came out that one

766
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: of the reasons Brando wanted Moreau to always be wearing

767
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: these hats, it's because there was going to be a

768
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: reveal per Brando at some point in the end of

769
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: the film that would be like that would have been

770
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: so much cooler. Here's the idea of the audit. The

771
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: idea was that you were going to find out that

772
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: dmrou had been doing self experimentation and he himself was

773
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: part dolphin. No, it's like a blow hole in the

774
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: head situation. It doesn't make sense. This is a thing

775
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: that exists nowhere except in the mind of I thought

776
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: you were going to say something so interesting, like he'd

777
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: been doing brain surgery on himself. I mean, this is

778
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: still interesting. Brains is something that would be eerie. Blow

779
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: hole A blow hole, Oh that's what he was hiding.

780
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: I presumably a blow hole. But but then what they

781
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: just didn't They went a different direction, but they still

782
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: decided to him there will be a blow hole. We'll

783
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: get we got our best guys right on it. We'll

784
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: put it in post. Yeah, blowhole prosthetic technology has come

785
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: a long way, Mr Brando. But no, you're right. That

786
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: was where Frankenheimer actually drew the line and said, Okay.

787
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: Nobody talked to him about it until like the last

788
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: day of shooting, and then everybody read like we did

789
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: when we were in that bank. And yeah, and we

790
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: need a better impressionist than than any of us. I

791
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: think on here to do us to the moment where

792
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: Marlon Brando pitches this idea to the director like I

793
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: can't do it. I couldn't possibly do it. Just what

794
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: I want to hear. I want to be a fly

795
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: on the wall for that moment, even if it's only

796
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 1: like a recreation. And also I think this will help

797
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: give us some context here. One of the things we

798
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: have to remember about Brando in this moment is that

799
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: he did not believe in this film. He did not

800
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: see it as like you know, the next street car

801
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: named desire uh. In fact, for Rusa Bulk, who recognized

802
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: and love from the craft, had said, and this this

803
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: was another film, by the way, Dr Mareau, was a

804
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: film that was so weird there had to be a

805
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: documentary about making it. There was a bolts in the

806
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: documentary and she says that once upon a time she

807
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: caught him on a good day and she went to

808
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: Brando and said, excuse me, mr Brando, I'm wondering how

809
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: our characters should interact on screen or what your take is.

810
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: And then he told her, Dodley, no one is going

811
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: to watch the movie, so just relax and have a

812
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: good time. Don't worry about it. And to find you

813
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: another weird along. Yeah. You know, it's funny, you you

814
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: you did two movies that have productions so troubled they

815
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: have documentary. There's one about Apocalypse now too, called Hearts

816
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: of Darkness of Filmmakers Apocalypse that came out nine one.

817
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: I have not seen it, but i've seen clips of

818
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: it and it's got like, you know, there were all

819
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: kinds of other problems on that shoot, like you know,

820
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: weather and and I think a lot of equipment got

821
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: damaged and you know, really just horrible kind of trials

822
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: of the damned kind of stuff. Um, but that's apparently

823
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: a very very great documentary. Yeah, yeah, it is. It's

824
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,800
Speaker 1: worth the watch. Um. I don't know it's still on Netflix,

825
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 1: but I would, of course, you know, I would say

826
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: for you all if you haven't seen Apocalypse Now. Watch

827
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: Apocalypse Now first, and then watch the documentary Now is

828
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: actually an excellent classic, you know, iconic film. The Island

829
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: of Dr Moreau just kind of is you know, like

830
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: we said, Yeah, we were talking off off Mike or

831
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: before about the Stanling who kind of had a nervous breakdown,

832
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, and there's a document This is all on

833
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: the documentary. He was kind of like stalking the set,

834
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, from The Four of the Woods, kind of

835
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: like creeping around watching the new director. He was out

836
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: of the public eye for a long time and came

837
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: out with a Nicolas Cage movie a handful of years ago,

838
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: also based on kind of maccob source material called The

839
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: Color Out of Space, which I think is great. So

840
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: I hope he continues making weird movies because he's obviously

841
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: a real creative dude. Yeah, it's it's really awesome and

842
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: it's got some we were talking about. It's kind of

843
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: like the third act of Nicolas Cage's career. So he's

844
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: he's doing a lot of cool stuff. He's doing Mandy,

845
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: he did um Pig, which I knew you love noel Um.

846
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: I do want to say we are We talked a little,

847
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: a little bit about this off air before we began

848
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: rolling today. Um, I do feel we are ethically bound

849
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 1: to say that despite the funny stuff about Brandow, which

850
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: will will end with more funny stuff, so it's done,

851
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: absolute slog. He was also a very prop lomatic dude.

852
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: And he did sexually assault so one on camera in

853
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: a film Last Hango in Paris. Yeah. Yeah, using wet

854
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: a stick of butter. Correct. Yeah, And the director knew

855
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: it was going to happen and did not stop it.

856
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: And it was like a setup on those forum you know,

857
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: the actor playing opposite him. Yes, that is correct, and

858
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: no one got in trouble, which is where I say

859
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: this all the time on different shows. But it astonishes

860
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: me when you hear these stories about celebrities getting away

861
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 1: with and and you know very well to do people,

862
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: world leaders getting away with all sorts of horrible, horrific things.

863
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 1: And then I think, like I can't get out of

864
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: a library. Fine, you know what I mean? This is

865
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: like a world I don't understand. I don't anyway, So yes,

866
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: he has done horrible things. Um, he also kept that's

867
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: also a thing with directors that we see Loton, we're

868
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: kind of talking about in the last episode for this,

869
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: which is kind of goes back to the directors just

870
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: using their actors as props and whatever, because that was

871
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: such a common thing that has come up in a

872
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: lot of these movies to end up on the list

873
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: that we're going through, like the Greats List. A lot

874
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: of times what the director did was not warned the

875
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: actor and that's how they got the amazing reaction that's

876
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: so real, And that was totally just a common practice

877
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: of directing for the longest time. I mean, I hope

878
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: they're doing it less now, but it has just recently

879
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: come out of fashion. That's what it feels like, yeah,

880
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: or directors, directors and stars just being absolute monsters in

881
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: real life. I mean Polanski is still allowed to make

882
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: movies and when awards, right, oh yeah, he still gets

883
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: I think he's still the French are still shielding him

884
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: from prosecution here, but also like his film still get

885
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: Oscar Nam's sometimes. You know, it's very weird. They're still

886
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: very very little accountability said, but back then even less

887
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: a total boys club, like the director Bernardo Berto Lucci.

888
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: You know it was an Italian director. I mean they

889
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: shot this in Europe, so I mean there probably were

890
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: maybe a little less oversight even over there, and that

891
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: kind of tradition, Um, maybe even a little more a

892
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: thing in Europe, but absolutely kind of hijacking, you know,

893
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: the these people, these with woman's emotions, you know, and

894
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,479
Speaker 1: like for the sake of getting like a shocking take

895
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's pretty gross. Yeah. He He also did

896
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: really crappy stuff to other other co stars or other

897
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: actors and scenes with him. For an example, he had

898
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: he was filming a scene in a film, in a

899
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: show called The Nightcomers sparely a bondage scene. He tied

900
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: the actor Stephanie Beacham to the bed and then he

901
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: left and he ate lunch, which is like, I don't

902
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 1: think that's a That's a real dick move, isn't it. Um,

903
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's basically I would say that's people should

904
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: have consequences. Um. He also I wanted to end on

905
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: some of his very weird, weird stuff. Now we've acknowledged that. Um.

906
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: He got paid a ton to be in Superman, directed

907
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: by Richard Daughter, and he almost was what's his name?

908
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: I think it's right, You're absolutely right. So he was.

909
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: He is briefly in the film very briefly in the

910
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: film as the white haired patrician father of the child

911
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,479
Speaker 1: that will go on to become Superman. He got paid

912
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: a ton for what he was doing. Uh, and he

913
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: also almost wasn't in it because he was he tried

914
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: to convince the director. He almost walked away when he

915
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: was arguing with the director over what this character should

916
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: look like. His suggestion was a green suitcase or maybe

917
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: a bagel, because we don't know what aliens look like.

918
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: That was like, maybe he should look like a bagel

919
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: or in the s and Superman would still be a

920
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: super bad. He gave some options. You know, you don't

921
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: want to be a dictator about and hadonas his dad

922
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: is a bagel. It makes total I mean that's fun.

923
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: I like, I don't not like that, you know, but

924
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: I watch that. Ever, Yes, yeah, so he also, um,

925
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: he would also do some things like he did raise

926
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: awareness of injustice towards Native American communities. There's that. Uh.

927
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: He got in a fight with a baboon, a spitting

928
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: fight he won. Did he tell that story about there? Yeah,

929
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: it was what happens. He spent so he spent so

930
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: well and the baboon was just shamed and like walked

931
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: away Baboon never spat again. So, uh, they're employees. There's

932
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: so many weird facts here. Pretty much every film Brando

933
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: works on. I think through like the mid part of

934
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 1: his career to the end is gonna have a bizarre

935
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: behind the scenes story because the guys just wiling out. Uh.

936
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: But this also makes me think, like in the case

937
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: of Chaplain, we see a perfectionist, right, it was a

938
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: very cruel man as well. Um, but we don't see

939
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: we don't see quite this same off stage absurdism or

940
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: you know, surrealness. One of my questions after just doing

941
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of Brando facts was this, how did

942
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: this guy like function in society? You know, what the

943
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: point of fame or you just don't have to write.

944
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: You can just live in your little bubble and like

945
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: make a movie when you feel like it. I mean,

946
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: I think he remained quite wealthy. Uh. He does seem

947
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: like the kind of dude that maybe would have squandered

948
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: his money Nicholas Cay style and like t Rex Skulls

949
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: and you know, weird culty houses. But like, I think

950
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: he probably was well off. And I mean, you know,

951
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: I know seed some of these jobs before the money.

952
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: But I think he got to that level where he

953
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: just had all this you know, cash, he could just

954
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: kind of you'd have to be a normal person anymore. Yeah,

955
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: and maybe this is where we start to wrap it

956
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: up today, because we started exploring Brando through Chaplin. Uh.

957
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: They worked together on a film called A Countess from

958
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: Hong Kong in nineteen sixty six. Chaplain is seventy seven.

959
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: He's directing. I can't remember which child bride he has

960
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: at this point, but uh, he Brando has horror stories

961
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: about this guy, and he says he's good. He's like

962
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: he is a comic genius. I will admit that he's like.

963
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: But I watched him punch his son in the face

964
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: on Christmas Day. He doesn't give any of his eleven

965
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 1: children any money. Uh. He makes people reshoot scenes over

966
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: and over again and doesn't tell them how to improve.

967
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: He just like, like you would have his literal sons

968
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: do these scenes and would make him do it again,

969
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: and he would just keep telling them how much they sucked,

970
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: Like this is not the fun guy you picture from

971
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: those tramp movies. Uh. And uh he said that he would.

972
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: One day he came under set fifteen minutes late, which

973
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: is actually really good for Brando. Later, uh, he goes

974
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: on to set fifteen minutes late, Chaplin explodes and then

975
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 1: humiliates him, and he says, in front of the whole cast,

976
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: Chaplin berated me, embarrassing me, telling me that I had

977
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: no sense of professional ethics and now I was a

978
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: disgrace to our profession. And that was the time he

979
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: stood up to him. And this is so like, uh,

980
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: unnecessarily dramatic. I want to see what you guys think,

981
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: he told Chaplin. He said something like, very well, I

982
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: am going to return to my dressing room. I will

983
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: wait there for exactly twenty minutes, and if you do

984
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: not arrive to apologize to me within that twenty minutes,

985
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: then I'm leaving on the next plane out of here.

986
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: And then apparently Chaplain does relent and go apologize. So

987
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: they they eventually finished the just what happened with like

988
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: just hitting massive egos against each other, as we are

989
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: doing with our top popcorn met Frederick feud. Of course

990
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: I was going to ask was that contest he was

991
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: talking about? Hey, I also have I have a little joke.

992
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can use this language wise.

993
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: But Chaplin may have played a little tramp, but in

994
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: reality he was a big that's perfectly Thank you so

995
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: much for coming back on to part two of these

996
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: bizarre behind the scenes stories from the world of film.

997
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: Uh Leanna, Sienna, it's been amazing. We do have a

998
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: quick can we get like a breaking news cue? All right,

999
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: So we have heard back from your nemesses, Mr Frederick.

1000
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: He says, I said, um, you once told them you

1001
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: were going to start a rival podcast called popcorn. And

1002
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: he remarks, and he said, this is correct. However, upon

1003
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: further consideration, I hereby bow to their show. I won't

1004
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: be making cat popcorn. At which point, no, not to

1005
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: volunteer all of us. But I said, you and I

1006
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: could try to negotiate on his behalf, you know, before

1007
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: the tar here for But what about the not followback

1008
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 1: on social media? I think that's where the true beef

1009
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: begins in this era. Well, we'll be talking to We'll

1010
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: be talking to Matt on our other show. Actually just

1011
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: a bit so many I can bring it up there too,

1012
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: spread it around. Tell the whole podcast was industry. We

1013
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: have started a celebrity sting big so Dellas where can folks,

1014
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: find your pre existing podcast, the one that we're that

1015
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: you're doing right now called Toss Popcorn. Our podcast Toss Popcorn. Well,

1016
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: you can find it anywhere that you want to stream

1017
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: podcast specifically, some good ones would be the I Heart

1018
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: podcast app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, etcetera. And we are all

1019
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: over social media at Tossed Popcorn. Matt come on, dude, yes, yes,

1020
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: uh and thinks, of course, as always to our super

1021
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: producer Mr Max Williams, thinks for our ridiculous historians, thinks

1022
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: to Casey Pegram, friend of the show. No, I know,

1023
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: we've got more people to thank, including my nemesis, Math McVeigh,

1024
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: our nemesis Jonathan Strickland. But I wanted to. I wanted

1025
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: to thank you man, because this is a two parter

1026
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: that we planned in advance, and I think we all

1027
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: had a great time. Can we do like a power

1028
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: high five or we leap into the air and then

1029
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: it makes like a cartoon explosion effect in our hands. Yeah,

1030
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: we just did that to the magical Podcasting. I've been

1031
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: toying with the idea of making ma to my nemesis,

1032
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: but he's just so damn nice. It's really hard to

1033
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 1: get that one off there. I mean, no, you're not

1034
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: good enough to be my nemesis. This is good, good fight, okay.

1035
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: Or you know what, maybe I I retract all those

1036
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: nice things I just said about Max, and it's on buddy,

1037
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: it's on you. And we have spent too many hours

1038
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: in a hot tub together to be nemesis. Oh that's true.

1039
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: I remember the hot tub times. Yeah, we we We've

1040
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: been in a hot tub together on a couple of occasions.

1041
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: Matt and I knew each other in a previous life.

1042
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: There were others. Also, it's still hot tub days. Why

1043
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: why can't I go into the hot tub? You can

1044
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: man the virtua starting up. What is a zoom call

1045
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: if not a virtual hot tub? That's what you know.

1046
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 1: We're all in these waters, navigating these bubbly waters together. Um.

1047
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: You can also find ridiculous history on some of the

1048
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: social media. We have an Instagram um called Ridiculous History.

1049
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: We have a Facebook group called Ridiculous Historians that you

1050
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: too can be a member of. You know, so allow

1051
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: us as individual human people on the internet. I am

1052
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: at how now Noel Brown exclusively on Instagram you can

1053
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: get a sneak peek and maybe some spoilers for the

1054
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: research I'm doing on various shows, as well as my

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Speaker 1: misadventures that I don't always announce in advance. By checking

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Speaker 1: where I'm currently campaigning for a book at program for adults.

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Speaker 1: I think more people would read if we knew. You

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Speaker 1: got pizza at the end. You can also find some

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Speaker 1: party yeah exactly. You can also find me on Instagram

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Speaker 1: at ben Bowland bow L. I in named in a

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Speaker 1: burst of creativity Max Williams, the rumors are true, my friend,

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Speaker 1: you have a you have apparently not just a hot tub,

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Speaker 1: but a Twitter account. I am resent. That is true.

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Speaker 1: That is true. I do have a Twitter count. You

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Speaker 1: can find me yet at at l Underscoring Max Williams,

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Speaker 1: We're all mostly just you know, reach tweet what Ben

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Speaker 1: says occasionally common and troll him or and a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff about sports, and of course Star Trek cantroll me. Bro.

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Speaker 1: I'm not on Twitter, so I will get on Instagram

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Speaker 1: perfect them. I guess you guys just have to catch

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Speaker 1: up at the hot tub. I am an outcast on

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Speaker 1: this show. We'll see you next time, folks. For more

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