1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the almost of this podcast. It's 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 2: Ashley and it's. 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 3: It's you, Ben, it's me. 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: After all these years, you know, we're introducing ourselves. 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 4: I don't know why I did. I just did. 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 5: I mean, I hope people, hope people know. Actually, I 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 5: gotta tell you a story. As we kicked this off. 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 5: You know, as we mentioned weeks ago, I was going 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 5: to start quite a bit of travel. I've been in 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 5: that and I've been in two different airports now, but 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 5: this where people have came up to me and said, 14 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 5: I just love to listen to your podcast. This week 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 5: was a really incredible week where I was sitting and 16 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 5: getting ready to get on my flight home from DC, 17 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 5: sat next to a guy. He goes my and he 18 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 5: just says like, hey, my wife listens to your show 19 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 5: and tells me kind of about their story. He ends 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 5: up buying me my drink. Oh fine, It's very sweet 21 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 5: of them. Super And then at the same time, somebody 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 5: came up from behind and she shared a story that 23 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 5: she was on her way to her father's celebration of 24 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 5: life in Arizona, and she said that she's listened to 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 5: us since the very beginning. Absolutely loves the show. She said, 26 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 5: I love Ashley Ashley. She's like when I first watched 27 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 5: her on TV, I didn't think I could relate it 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 5: with her. But the more I get to know Ashley, 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 5: I can relate with her so much. 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: So I just want to share that with you. 32 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 5: Some very nice people have been coming out in airports 33 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 5: just to say they listen to the show, or they 34 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 5: you know, maybe their girlfriend listened to the show. 35 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 3: It always makes me feel warm inside. 36 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's exciting, but yeah, I just want 37 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 5: to give that a little shout out, and that again, 38 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 5: actually you are still loved and you always will be loved. 39 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 5: And at the same time, we have a lot of 40 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 5: love to talk about this week on Paradise, and so 41 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 5: it's a big episode. 42 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: Ashley. 43 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 5: I know that you are fresh off of watching it. 44 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 5: Your your thoughts are very clear. Yes, I uh, I'm 45 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 5: fresh off of watching it as well. And uh, I 46 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 5: just you know, that was the first thing I did 47 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 5: this morning, is I watched Paradise. Quite a way to 48 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 5: wake up and have your coffee. 49 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 4: Is Yeah, it's. 50 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: Nice and Paradise just pull my laptop, onto my lap, 51 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: get a cup of coffee. 52 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 4: It's great. 53 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: This episode was overall just like confusing to me in 54 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: some ways. 55 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 4: Okay, wow, Okay, I guess we'll hit on them as 56 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 4: we go through. 57 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: We we We'll start with the first big storyline, which 58 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: was the fact that Sam hasn't pooped, so she will 59 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 2: be leaving again. 60 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 4: Confused the theme that she didn't try. 61 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 2: An enema, she must have kind of kind of wanted 62 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: to leave. 63 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 4: She must have kind of just wanted to leave. 64 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 5: Right, I mean, you know, my my thought there was 65 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 5: I was confused to until the end. And obviously we're 66 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 5: gonna get into that where Aaron Est kind of has 67 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 5: his I was wondering. 68 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: If she kind of him. 69 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 4: She probably like him, Yeah, she. 70 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 5: Wasn't like convinced, and she's like, I don't feel good 71 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 5: and this isn't working for me, so I'm gonna go home. 72 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: They didn't seem compatible, to be honest. The more we 73 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: get to know him, I'm like, he's drama, he's angsty, 74 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: and she just seems well adjusted. Yeah. 75 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 5: I mean, even in the midst of a very weird time, 76 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 5: she was just kind of chill and cool about it. 77 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 5: And I don't think there's anybody that I've ever met 78 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 5: in my life that would have handled that situation with 79 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 5: as much like grace and just comedy and also like 80 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 5: realness as she did. I'm sure it was embarrassing for 81 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 5: She's went home. I'm I would say, I'm shocked that 82 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 5: it didn't happen. I really thought this was all a 83 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 5: teaser to for it to happen at some point. 84 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was very surprised. 85 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: There was gonna be like some silly like the turtle thing, 86 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: like there were gonna be so many things they were. 87 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 4: Gonna like shoot fireworks or something. 88 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: And definitely thought it was leading up to something that 89 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: they were gonna make funny, and then at the end 90 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: of the episode of realized it's truly not funny because 91 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: she's been gone for two days and she still hasn't gone, 92 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: assuming that she's in America, and you know, maybe maybe 93 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: she's gone to the hospital now. 94 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 5: But I'm hoping she posts on Instagram and update like 95 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 5: hey she did, like it's been months now, Like I think, 96 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 5: I think we need to get an update, like hey, 97 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 5: all it all worked out. 98 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 4: I do want to know the whole story. 99 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: Like I feel guilty because it's weird to like know 100 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: somebody's private business like that. But yeah, she should definitely 101 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: post an Instagram reel explaining the moment it actually happened, 102 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: not explain it. I don't know, Okay, Well tell me 103 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: how many days? Tell me how many days? And did 104 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: it have Did it happen at home or was the hospital? 105 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 4: That's what I mean. 106 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 5: And I would love to know from Sam, like what 107 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 5: was the feeling like of jubilation. 108 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: I don't know. It probably hurt like hell. 109 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: I would like to know that, but I don't need 110 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: the details. 111 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 4: I don't need to know tell me the details, but 112 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 4: I need the details. 113 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's the big storyline at the beginning, and 114 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 5: then it goes away, and it probably should. 115 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: We've talked about it for weeks. 116 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 5: It's been in every teaser, it has its own animals 117 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 5: making fun of it. 118 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: It's done, it's gone. 119 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 5: But I do just think we should end it Ashley 120 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 5: with being very clear, but we are on team Sam. 121 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 5: We feel really bad for her. There is nothing embarrassing 122 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 5: about that. Nobody is judging her. In fact, I hope 123 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 5: nobody on any date and for the rest of her 124 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 5: life brings it up to her. She can bring it up, 125 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 5: that's fine, Like, hey, I'm a girl known as the 126 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 5: girl Couldn't Poop on Paradise but just really a big 127 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 5: fan of Sam and I'm sorry her chapter ended like this. 128 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 4: Totally totally all right. 129 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 2: So next big drama is John Henry comes down the 130 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: stairs and John Heunter is cute and I get why 131 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: everybody's into him. He kind of has a pilot Pete look, 132 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: and Kat seems like she's complimenting him a lot. And 133 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: he also pulls Kylie and Olivia and he ends up 134 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: asking Olivia on the date. I was surprised by this 135 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: because they seem like complete and total opposites. 136 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 4: This guy is relaxed, just browie. 137 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 3: He's also awkward. 138 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 4: He's very awkward ward yeah, but like. 139 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 5: Socially very like shy and kind of endearing, endearing in 140 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 5: so many ways. I don't think that's not I don't 141 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 5: say awkward in like a bad in a bad way 142 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 5: as much as like, I just don't. 143 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: He's not as smooth as. 144 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 4: It, which I like like. 145 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: I like the fact that he's hot but doesn't have 146 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: this like ego not cockiness to go with it. 147 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 5: And he's interesting. He has a great story. I would 148 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 5: argue back to you, Ashley. And so really that the 149 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 5: Olivia John Henry relationship makes sense to me only because 150 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 5: in my life I have so many people who have 151 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 5: been married for their lives who are very similar. 152 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: Right. 153 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, the guy is maybe a little shyer, more awkward, 154 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 5: quieter kind of just like enjoys his things, and then 155 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 5: his partner is usually like more outgoing, like boisterous, and 156 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 5: he just kind of sits back and smiles, and he 157 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 5: he loves it and he laughs at it, and he's 158 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 5: so appreciative that she keeps that like humor and spark 159 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 5: in the relationship and that she's so loved by everybody, 160 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 5: and she's so extroverted and the guy's just kind of 161 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 5: more quiet. I know many couples like that, and it 162 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 5: works because they both love the uniqueness of each other. 163 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely an opposite to attract attraction. Sure, And 164 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: I can see how she made him comfortable because she's 165 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: so not shy that it made the date not awkward 166 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: because like she was just like pulling it along. Could 167 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: you imagine if he did pick somebody who's a little 168 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: bit more subdued that it would just be like pulling 169 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: teeth But they had a great time. 170 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be very quiet. 171 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. Here's the confusion for me. 172 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: I watched this date and then make out in the 173 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: pool and have this cute chemistry, and I was like, 174 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: why is she even considering Peter at home? As they 175 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: as they wrap the date, She's like, I'm excited that 176 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: I get to have like both of them right now. 177 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know about you, but I 178 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: am sold on John Henry for you, Peter, You're he 179 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: gave him a rose because like there was nobody else 180 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: to give a rose to or like or he gave 181 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: you a rose because there's no one else to give 182 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: a rose to. 183 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 4: You guys don't have anything. 184 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 3: He might be the safe choice. He might be the 185 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 3: safe choice right now. 186 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 4: Why because like he's less sought after. 187 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: He's left sought after and the John Henry deal. 188 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 5: I think she understands who he is, right She knows 189 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 5: that he's nervous and he's a little awkward and he's shy. 190 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 5: And I think that definitely like pulled her in and 191 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 5: she was very attracted to that. But I think there's 192 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 5: probably still a question in her mind of is but 193 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 5: is it, like is this really somebody I want to 194 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 5: hang out with more, Like is he gonna get comfortable? 195 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 5: And I think we saw it. We saw it, Yeah, 196 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 5: we saw it towards the end of the date. 197 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 198 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 5: I wonder if the whole Peter drama there is maybe 199 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 5: a little overplayed, Like I don't. I mean, I think 200 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 5: she is excited to have both of them. 201 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: But like a more of a love triangle for TV 202 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: than it really is. But then they end up making 203 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: out and she was like pretty giddy about it. 204 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 4: And my thought is like. 205 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: If you come back from a date with somebody that 206 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: you really like and made out with and you're like 207 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: ready to make out with somebody else, I guess he 208 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 2: really worn that sold. 209 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: But she came back so giddy. 210 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting. It's gonna be a relationship that I 211 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 5: think we're gonna be very fascinated to follow. You know, 212 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 5: I've been very clear since the beginning. Mercedes and Olivia 213 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 5: from Night from week one where like two people I 214 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 5: thought we're gonna have big personalities on this show. We 215 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 5: haven't seen as much of Mercedes, especially this episode, but 216 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 5: we you know, we got to see her one on 217 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 5: one last week. Olivia has continued to be the narrator 218 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 5: for this season, and she's done a great. 219 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 4: Job, Yes, really great at it. She is funny. 220 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: Still scares me a little bit, but a lot less, 221 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: especially since Kat is the one that scares me the most. 222 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 223 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 5: Kat, definitely I would much rather be. I would like 224 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 5: to be on Cat's bad side. 225 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, because Olivia is gonna like shame you with words 226 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 2: and like in conversation and Kat's just gonna scream at you. 227 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, And we really haven't seen I mean, we've seen 228 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 5: Olivia be mean, you know, kind of in the itms, yes, snarky, 229 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 5: but we haven't seen her exactly like lash out at 230 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 5: anybody or belittle anybody on the beach. I mean, I 231 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 5: think you could definitely pull those interviews and be like, yeah, 232 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 5: she was not being kind or she was definitely upset 233 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 5: with somebody. But I don't think and again I'm a 234 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 5: fan of own biased here, but I think Via doesn't 235 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 5: want to hurt people. I think she felt like she 236 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 5: had to kind of protect herself and defend herself at 237 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 5: the beginning, in the midst of something that she thought 238 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 5: was like really mean. And as we keep going through Paradise, 239 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 5: it's happening every week now and so nobody. You know, 240 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 5: it's maybe not as mean as it felt before because 241 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, everybody's stealing each other. 242 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, so true. It was just like the shock effect. Okay. 243 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 2: The next thing that happens is that John b arrives 244 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: and again I'm a little confused. Well, I guess I 245 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: get confused later, and I guess I'll jump ahead to it. 246 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 2: He ends up picking Eliza for the date, and Eliza 247 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: is obviously got something good going on with Aaron B. 248 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: And I like the way that Aaron basically that I 249 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: don't want you to go on the date because you know, 250 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: I like it what people are really honest like that. 251 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: But then she goes to the date and they make 252 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 2: out and they have what seems to be a great time. 253 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: But the confused the theme of the show comes back 254 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: when she comes back and she goes. 255 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 4: I was thinking about you all day long, and I'm so. 256 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: Happy to be back here with you, And she's basically 257 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: telling her and me that she's picking him. 258 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 4: But you were just making out with someone's on the 259 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 4: top of the stairs. Where are you at, girl? 260 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 3: Well? 261 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 5: Yes, And I think that's probably one of the things 262 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 5: about Paradise that confuses me. The most is how exactly 263 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 5: do you figure out who you're into and who you're not, Because, 264 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 5: as you know, John Henry said, like everybody hears good looking, 265 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 5: Like everybody here has the physical attraction to each other. Right, 266 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 5: it's a beach full of good looking people. So then 267 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 5: you get into kind of the personalities and the beliefs 268 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 5: and the desires and the values of each person, and 269 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 5: you know, then you really start to figure. 270 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 3: Out like who you like and who you don't. 271 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 5: But I still think that for me, it's hard to 272 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 5: watch sometimes you're hard to understand because the physical attraction 273 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 5: is so prevalent always that it just feels like you 274 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 5: got to make out and then once like the dust 275 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 5: settles and you get back to everybody, then you probably 276 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 5: have some clarity on But I'm really actually into this 277 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 5: guy because he, you know, cares about me more, or hey, 278 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 5: he believes in this, or hey we've shared these conversations together. 279 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 5: I don't know, but I do just feel like that's 280 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 5: the danger of paradise is everybody's so attractive to each 281 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 5: other that you can make out with anybody anytime and 282 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 5: it's gonna feel right, you know, as long as you're 283 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 5: not you know, dating somebody else. 284 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 4: I but she was dating someone else, I know, But. 285 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 5: Like, are they really like that's the that's the part. 286 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 5: That's what I'm trying to get to is everybody kept. 287 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 4: Saying that they were like this most solid couple there. 288 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 3: Oh, maybe not anymore. 289 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 5: I wonder ashually if there is a piece here, because 290 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 5: we are starting to get into this every week where 291 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 5: you and I are both coming to the table watching 292 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 5: these separately, coming to the show and saying, hey, there's confusion. 293 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 5: I'm wondering if this season of Paradise is maybe not 294 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 5: storytelling as well as past seasons and closing up or 295 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 5: continuing on with stories. So as a result, we are 296 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 5: left confused, like we are left with a bunch of cliffhangers. 297 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 5: We are left with the whole picture, where maybe in 298 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 5: past seasons we felt like we had more of an 299 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 5: ability to tell what each person's at because, quite honestly, 300 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 5: if Eliza and Aaron b are the most solid couple, 301 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 5: we haven't seen that much from them that points to 302 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 5: them being that solid. No, so it doesn't feel weird 303 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 5: that she would go on a date, but then everybody's 304 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 5: shocked by it. Aaron Be's really saddened by it, and 305 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 5: then she gets back and she's back with Aaron B. 306 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 5: But we have no context for why that relationship feels 307 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 5: so powerful because I don't think that we're getting the 308 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 5: stories that maybe in past seasons that we were getting. 309 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, we complained about storylines not closing last season too, 310 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: and I do feel like there was like a lot 311 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: of stuff during this episode. 312 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: That they could have clipped shorter and we could have. 313 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: Given us more contexts in these relationships. Who knows what 314 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: we're missing, But I do prefer Eliza with aar and B. 315 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 4: They're just based on the little we've seen. I just 316 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 4: feel a little bit more depth from them. I think 317 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: he's very serious about this relationship. And then you. 318 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 5: Know, just to add in there. Yeah, last thought, it's 319 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 5: interesting with all the stuff that starts happening this week 320 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 5: that Aaron B and Braiden really have. You know, everybody's 321 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 5: talking about the Sean Braden drama, like how they were 322 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 5: like they've closed you know, that drama pushed it behind 323 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 5: maybe until this week, but we haven't really seen any 324 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 5: Aaron B. Braiden conversation or drama and that was such 325 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 5: a storyline during Charity season. 326 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no drama there, but we do see the 327 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: drama between Braiden and Sean. 328 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: Sure, but don't you think the Aaron B. Braiden drama, like. 329 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm so happy it's gone. 330 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it was so it was kind of 331 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 5: annoying actually during charity season where it felt like that, 332 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 5: you know, especially to make Aaron B really didn't like 333 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 5: him and he was trying to teckt himself from Maybe 334 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 5: they're running in two separate groups in Paradise and so 335 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 5: there's really no crossover and so there's no reason for drama. 336 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: No. I think that he just likes him now, okay, good. Yeah, 337 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: I think he's just gotten to know him better. And 338 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: I think because it's not a direct competition between them. Yeah, 339 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: bloody of girls to choose from them, and yeah, they're 340 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: not overlapping with girls. 341 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: It's it's been good. 342 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: But yeah, let's talk about that drama between Sean and Brydon, 343 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: because I think Sean really kind of deserved it. Yes, 344 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: I yeah, okay, I mean, so Sean is just being 345 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: a dumbass. Sean is really still hung up on Jess. 346 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: There's no chance for him and Jess. But this is 347 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: all proving to me this whole episode was proved to 348 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: me that Jess and Blake and don't really have anything serious. 349 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 5: Maybe you know, they're like good to they. 350 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: Like each other for now, but I don't think they're 351 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: like unbreakable. 352 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 5: Sean was weird in this episode because I do think 353 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 5: he's right in the fact that he was seeing the 354 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 5: writing on the wall, that Rachel and Sean are not 355 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 5: progressing in a path that feels like it's gonna work out, 356 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 5: and that she kind of has her eye on whoever 357 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 5: else comes. 358 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: Down to the bab they've made out like once in 359 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: seven days, Okay, and I can say it now, but remember, 360 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: and I think I don't know whether we cut it 361 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: out or not in the episode a couple weeks ago. Yeah, 362 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: but I try, said Rachel, and Rachel said, I forgot 363 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 2: that I even kissed him. 364 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 4: So like, you guys have nothing, and Sean. 365 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: Don't act as if you think that Rachel really likes 366 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: you when you guys have kissed once in seven days. 367 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 5: Well, and that might be that might be what he's feeling, 368 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 5: but he's not communicating it well, Like it doesn't come 369 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 5: off well when he's talking about how much Rachel likes him. Also, 370 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 5: I don't quite understand where his mind was at. I 371 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 5: think he's kind of swirling here and his mind's in 372 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 5: chaos because he says that Jess kind of stabbed, stabbed 373 00:17:55,440 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 5: in the back. Yeah, And I'm like, why, like you Yeah, 374 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 5: like I did you guys come to Paradise saying that 375 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 5: you're gonna date? And maybe you didn't, but that's not 376 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 5: even that bad. Like if she got to Paradise and 377 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 5: like somebody more, like that's how that works and whatever. 378 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 5: But where at what point did she like hurt you 379 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 5: or like personally like make you feel less than because 380 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 5: you've had no relationship that we've seen. And she's been 381 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 5: very honest with that, and she was very nice about 382 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 5: explaining that, Hey, I just don't see it. 383 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 3: Man, sorry, Like I'm good. 384 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 2: That was a reactionary comment because he just felt so 385 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 2: wounded that he shot his shot and got rejected and 386 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 2: in the meanwhile loses his backup his rose which is 387 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: from a quote quote from Rachel. But who the heck 388 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: knows even with him not doing that, I don't even 389 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: know that their quote relationship would have lasted through the 390 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: rose ceremony Sean and Rachel, because it's a mingling session, 391 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: and it's like. 392 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean's a smart dude. 393 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 5: He came on the podcast asked you know you and 394 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 5: I both had a great time interviewing him because he 395 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 5: was very open. 396 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: And he's dramatic. 397 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's dramatic. I think. 398 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 5: So I'm confused at what his strategy was here, like, 399 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 5: how did he see this playing out? How did he 400 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 5: see a path forward through this? What was the best 401 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 5: case scenario? Because okay, say Jess says, no, I'm so 402 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 5: into you, Sean. 403 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: Okay. 404 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 5: Then he goes back to Rachel and has to any 405 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 5: think was hert I don't think she's at hurt. But 406 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 5: then he has Blake Uh sitting there being like, dude, 407 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 5: what are you like? 408 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 3: Okay? 409 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 5: Cool, like what are you doing about this? And then 410 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 5: obviously with the Braiden drama, then he brings up Braiden 411 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 5: again and he opens up this can that has been closed, 412 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 5: and I'm with Braiden again on this. I do wildly. 413 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 5: I don't know how this has happened in my life, Ashley. 414 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 5: I have no idea how this. 415 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 4: Happened that you that you like Braiden. Yeah, yeah, I'm. 416 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: Tem Braiden right now. 417 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 5: It feels like from every angle, he's kind of getting 418 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 5: like shots taken at him, and he's just like, I 419 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 5: don't get it. 420 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: Why would you do this? I thought we were good. 421 00:19:59,280 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 3: It's just weird. 422 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like him. He's honestly doesn't seem like 423 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: he's He was like so dramatic and conniving a little 424 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: bit on Charty season and like now he's just like, 425 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: what up, I'm grounded? 426 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Sean is her vibrating a little bit too? 427 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 5: And I get I get why? 428 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So how do you feel about him going over 429 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: to Rachel and saying like, hey, he's talking to Jess 430 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: because he does he thinks that you're really into him, 431 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 2: but he's not really sure, just saying I would have 432 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 2: been so freaking pissed if I was Rachel like she was. 433 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: And he goes, yeah, she's really into me, but I 434 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 2: don't know about me, Like what she's really into me? 435 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 2: She and again, she hasn't shown no signs that she's 436 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: really into dude. 437 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 4: That's like him building up his own ego. 438 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 3: It's great, it's great. 439 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 5: Like what does he make a comment about if somebody 440 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 5: wants to come down that down those stairs and data 441 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 5: Kendall like he's living in this world way too much, 442 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 5: Like he's believing this whatever people are telling him too much, 443 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 5: and as a result, it's backfiring on him. The Braiden 444 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 5: thing I would have gone without. However, I don't think 445 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 5: it was untrue, and I and I guess we have 446 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 5: to gauge in Paradise, in this messiness on what is 447 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 5: true and what's not true. And what Braiden said was 448 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 5: not untrue, and so I can see where Sean would 449 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 5: be upset about it, because there's a bro code, an 450 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 5: unspoken bro code. But I also think that Braiden at 451 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 5: this point was saying he wants to go talk to Jess. 452 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 5: I see the door open, I'm walking through it. 453 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: So technically he could have not brought up Jess or 454 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: Sean at all and just kind of like hit on Rachel, and. 455 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: I think she would have been fine with it. Yeah 456 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 3: sounds good. 457 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't have to like break their relationship in 458 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: any way. 459 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 5: Do you see this relationship continuing, Ashley, I don't. I 460 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 5: don't see Rachel and Braden splitting apart on the beach. 461 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 2: They're super hot together. I love it their chemistry. The kiss, 462 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: I was like, whoa. 463 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 5: And they both have that kind of similar personality. They'd 464 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 5: match each other. I see it, and so I do 465 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 5: think if I had to put my vote behind, I 466 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 5: would say that would be, in my opinion, one couple 467 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 5: I would say, will definitely make it to the end 468 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 5: of the beach. I don't know if they're getting engaged, 469 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 5: but they'll make it to the end of the beach. 470 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 4: Yeah. 471 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: I don't know that they're gonna make it to the 472 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: end of the beach, but they're gonna have a good 473 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: time together. 474 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they're painting each other's butts in a preview. 475 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: So I mean, let them leave together, I'd be down. 476 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 4: I'd be down. Let's do it. I like them both 477 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 4: separately individually, it would. 478 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 5: Kind of be you know, something interesting, Ashley I thought of. Yeah, 479 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 5: it would be a very similar storyline to the Thomas 480 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 5: Beca situation. Oh yeah, A league comes to the beach, 481 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 5: dates the villain from his past season, that villain becomes 482 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 5: very beloved by the audience, and the two of them 483 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 5: walk off the beach together. 484 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: Then bravo for just coming up with that comparison, because 485 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: it's right on. Oh amazing, Okay, I love that. Okay, 486 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: next big thing to discuss is the truth box, which 487 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 2: Wells introduces. Says basically, it's whenever that post secret that 488 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 2: we used to have in two thousand and eight or 489 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: whatever that was. Instead of online posting your truths, you 490 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 2: put your troops into the box and then at some 491 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 2: point Wells is supposed to read them. Well during the 492 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 2: Row ceremony cocktail hour, Aaron S does the weirdest thing 493 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 2: when Wells gathers the crowd he's gonna read it, and 494 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: he's like, you know, Wells, the ones you're reading are 495 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: really tame. This is like, honestly, like, let's just say it. 496 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: This is a production move. There's no way this guy 497 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: came up with this idea in his head. 498 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 4: To be like, you know what, I'm gonna steal the 499 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 4: box and break it. 500 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 3: Sure, okay we can say that. Ashley. You're probably right. 501 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 3: But here's the deal. 502 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 5: And it's a great example of what we talk about 503 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 5: episode over episode. He could have said no to doing it, 504 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 5: like this is not a forced production mood. This is 505 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 5: somebody from production being like, Aaron, I can see your upset. 506 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, how crazy is that that Wells is 507 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 5: doing this? Like you have one night to try to 508 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 5: meet somebody and get a rose so you can stay 509 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 5: around next week. And you're wasting your time by reading 510 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 5: these simple little like secrets from people, like how angry. 511 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 3: Are you getting? And he's like, yeah, I'm getting angry. 512 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is getting more annoying, this is getting more 513 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 5: another and then they say you should just step in 514 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 5: and start reading him yourself, and he's like okay, and 515 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 5: he does it, like he could have said no, and 516 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,959 Speaker 5: then none of this becomes a thing he likes. 517 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 2: He probably wanted airtime too. He knew he was leaving. 518 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 2: He's like, I'm gonna leave it in a wrecking ball. 519 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 5: But it's how production works, and so it's this is 520 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 5: a good example of how production works where it's not 521 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 5: forced upon you. It is a recommendation. They start putting 522 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 5: seeds inside you, know, of doubt inside your head, and 523 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 5: then you make the decision to act on whatever it 524 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 5: is they're saying. And most of the time, if you 525 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 5: are not seeing it clearly, it's gonna look really bad. 526 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 4: Yeah. 527 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: There was a moment last year when Jared and I 528 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: were just guests in Paradise that we were around the 529 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: same bar and somebody came down the stairs and they 530 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: were like, Ashley, are you curious about this? And I 531 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,479 Speaker 2: was like, yep, no, no, no, I am not my place. 532 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. Wells ended up saying it, and 533 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, well that's Wells. He's like a host. 534 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: Of course he's he can say that, you know, so, yes, 535 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 2: this is one of those quick suggestion possible moments and 536 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 2: you can just quickly be like, uh uh, I ignore. 537 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 3: Are you not doing it? I know, and I do 538 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 3: want to say this. I haven't texted him yet. 539 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 5: I was going to, but you know, Wells is one 540 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 5: of my best friends in the world. 541 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: I get. 542 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 5: I've gotten to know him very well, and I've gotten 543 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 5: to see a lot of different sides of Wells. And 544 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 5: for ninety nine percent of the time, Wells's Wells. 545 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: He's a blast. But he does have. 546 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 5: Uh he does have a fuse and that and if you, 547 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 5: and especially if you mess with a project that he's 548 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 5: working on, that fuse gets shorter. 549 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: Right. 550 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 5: He's very professional. He wants to do a good job 551 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 5: and he wants to make sure things go and. 552 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: Make good TV. He's good at it too. 553 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 554 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: Great, when Aaron S did. 555 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 5: This, oh well that was a real Wells anger. 556 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 4: I know, I loved it. 557 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 5: I've seen it, especially when he pushed a box at 558 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 5: Aaron Aaron and said, how about you read it since 559 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 5: you broke it. I was like, Wells is fuming inside 560 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 5: and he wants to blow up. There was no faking it. 561 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 5: He had no clue that was coming. Wells was so mad. 562 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 4: So that and he's so he was so grossed out 563 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 4: by him. 564 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 5: He was like yeah, Wells and and and again. Knowing Wells, 565 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 5: Wells could have absolutely word smashed that dude, like you 566 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 5: don't want to get in an argument when it comes 567 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 5: with what to Wells like back and forth. Yeah, Wells 568 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 5: could have made that dude feel about one cinnamon you're tall, 569 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 5: and like cry his way off the beach. 570 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 3: But he didn't. 571 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 5: And that's why I think we just see Will sit 572 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 5: back and stay quiet because he's like, it's not my 573 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 5: He's good. Again, He's so good at what he does 574 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 5: that he's like, not my place, this is not my 575 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 5: this is not my battle to fight. 576 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: This is his battle to fight. 577 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 5: And I'm going to stay quiet because if well started speaking, 578 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 5: it would have gotten really really hilarious because he's good. 579 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: We missed out on that, but we still got the 580 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 2: reaction and it was not as fine. 581 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 5: Just that clip of him standing there being like you 582 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 5: read it. I was like, oh goodness, he is about 583 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 5: the pop. 584 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: Okay, so the notes they read Cat played Brandon Okay, 585 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: like it's kind of a statement we kind of know, 586 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: you know, Tanner should watch out for Cat. It sounds 587 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: like the same person wrote those two notes. 588 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 4: Who do you think it was. 589 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: Braiden? 590 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 4: Okay? 591 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I think I think Braiden was all about 592 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 3: the truth thoughts. I think he's. 593 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: Also he's already said it to her face pretty much. 594 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think there's any secret that was Braiden. No, 595 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 5: I think he stood at the bar. I wrote a 596 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 5: couple of truths. And then you know, even Rachel asked 597 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 5: Braiden like did you write that? And I think he's like, yeah, 598 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 5: I wrote that like you and I should make out. 599 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, totally. 600 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: Third note, I don't think Kat is actually looking out 601 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: for Jess like she thinks. And I actually interpreted this 602 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: the different way. 603 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 4: I guess I wasn't listening very well. 604 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: I thought it said I don't think Jess is looking 605 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 2: out for Kat the like is looking out for Cat, 606 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: or that there's like actually some un lying tension there, 607 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 2: in which case I was like, yeah, probably because Jess 608 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: was interested in Tanner and there was no conversation when 609 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: she went out with Tanner. 610 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 5: And they're good friends, right. The reason that matters is 611 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 5: because off the show they are good friends. 612 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, but what would this mean. 613 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: I don't think Kat is actually looking out for Jess 614 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: the way she thinks, because I don't think Kat. 615 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 4: Doesn't want to be with Blake. 616 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 5: I wonder if this is just kind of summarizing that 617 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 5: she's not a good friend. Yeah, Like Cass at this 618 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 5: point has had a lot of ideas about what she's 619 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 5: doing right and wrong, and I think most people on 620 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,239 Speaker 5: the Beach we've seen have disagreed with her on what 621 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 5: she thinks she's doing right. Yeah, And I think the 622 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 5: Beach is just saying Kat keeps talking about how she's, 623 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 5: you know, maybe a good friend of Jess or all 624 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 5: these things, and maybe we're not not even seeing it, 625 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 5: but she's saying, like, you know, Jess is such a 626 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 5: is a good friend of mine and I'm just trying 627 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 5: to protect her and all the I don't know, and 628 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 5: the Beach is like, no, come on, you're not doing 629 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 5: any of that, Like you're not at actually making the 630 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 5: right decisions right now or you haven't in the past. 631 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 5: But I don't think we have a lot of context 632 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 5: for it, So I do think it's a confusing you 633 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 5: know note if. 634 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: We don't, But I do think bottom line is it's this. 635 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: This is saying Kat's about herself, like she's going to 636 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: want to be with him. 637 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 638 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: Fourth note, Braiden and Rachel should make out. Well, we 639 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: know that Branden wrote this too, and. 640 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 4: Acute I like it. 641 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 2: And that's when Brandon pulls Rachel and the cute kiss happens. 642 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That's what the whole thing starts. 643 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,719 Speaker 2: So maybe Braiden really did write all these notes. 644 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, and if he did, good for him, Good for him. 645 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 5: And also here's the funny part. Ash you know, Aaron 646 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 5: S's little tantrum didn't lead to anything positive for him. 647 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 3: In fact, it was a weird look. 648 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 5: People were kind of confused, and I think he thought 649 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 5: that if we got to some truth within this box, 650 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 5: then maybe he would get some attention. 651 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: Maybe he'd is one. 652 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 5: I don't know, but really none of these things that 653 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 5: he read were even anywhere close to relating to him, 654 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 5: and so he just kind of read them and just 655 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 5: made himself kind of look like a jerk. Yeah, and 656 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 5: that was it, and he just made Wells mad. So 657 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 5: have fun getting good you know, if you do stick around, 658 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 5: have fun getting any good cocktails from here and OWT. 659 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 660 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: And based on the scene to the next episode, I 661 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: did some deducting, and it definitely looks like he's eliminated, 662 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: and it looks like Sean's eliminated because there was one 663 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 2: of the guys that was on the chopping block that 664 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: ended up making it through, and it probably made it 665 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: through by the new girl who's coming down the stairs. 666 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: So we get this little scene of Aaron and Sean 667 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: praying for a new girl and then all of a 668 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: sudden their wish has come true. We got legs walking 669 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 2: down to the beach, but we don't know who it is. 670 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 5: So uh okay, to close up this episode, the nash 671 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 5: who are the guys on the chopping block as this 672 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 5: episode ends? 673 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: Okay, so Aaron, I suppose Peter Peter that makes sense? Yeah, okay, yeah, John, 674 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 2: Then I guess John. 675 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 4: Henry, you're right, and. 676 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: Then Sean John John B and then Sean Sean. 677 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 5: I didn't say that, okay, Yeah, And and probably Aaron 678 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 5: b So if we throw in yeah, well I. 679 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 4: Wouldn't think so, I wouldn't think so. 680 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but yeah, so they'ren't chopping block. 681 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 5: One new person is coming down to the beach, kind 682 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 5: of live left on a cliffhanger. We don't know who's 683 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 5: gonna be around next week, but there are twelve guys 684 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 5: and seven women, so as we note right now, yeah, 685 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 5: there's gonna be five guys going home, but we think 686 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 5: probably only four. 687 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: Okay, it's a ton. But we also forgot to talk 688 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: about Cat blowing up. Yeah, okay, so Kat blows up 689 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 2: and now I'm not even remembering why because it was 690 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 2: so tense and I know that it was a huge overreaction. 691 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: It's oh, it has to do with the whole Tanner thing, 692 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: because because of the things in the Secret Box, she 693 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 2: basically talks to Tanner and she's trying to defense herself. 694 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: And then Tanner was like, well, you know, Braiden did 695 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 2: tell me about what happened. You know, Braiden didn't feel 696 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: blindsided and felt like you did a one to eighty 697 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: on him. And then Kat is like, that's his opinion, 698 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: but it's totally false. And then Tanner says that he 699 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 2: and Kat are probably similar in a current, similar situation 700 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: than she was with Braiden before he walked down. So 701 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: I think he's just saying like, okay, like I shouldn't 702 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: feel secure, even if I do kind of feel secure, 703 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: And now. 704 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 4: She faks out. 705 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: If this guy heard her reaction, there's no way that 706 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: he'd want to be with her anymore. And people were 707 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 2: hearing her reaction, I think that they did dub it 708 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: over a little bit, so it sounded clear to everybody 709 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: down the beach than it actually was. They probably just 710 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: heard her like the sounds of screaming, yelling, not like 711 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 2: the actual words. 712 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 4: But this girl is off for Rocker. 713 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I think she's panicking out a bit one. 714 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 2: Second, and she should be panicking because she's the one 715 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 2: with the rose right now. Just just show Tanner that 716 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 2: it's not the truth of the matter. 717 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean I think she's panicking out a 718 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 5: bit because I think she feels misunderstood. And I think 719 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 5: at this point she's starting to be confused at why 720 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 5: everybody else is misunderstanding her intentions, you know, and why 721 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 5: and what she's done that's so wrong, and so it's 722 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 5: hard probably to process for her right now, why everybody 723 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 5: seems against her and they do seem against her, and 724 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 5: I get that maybe that's causing some conflict inside of 725 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 5: her self. And then she's trying to protect herself, defend 726 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 5: herself by you know, reacting the way she is. 727 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so true. 728 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 2: All right, Well that is the episode of Paradise, episode four. 729 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: Next week we see that it's Kat's birthday and they 730 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 2: must ruin someone on every Paradise birthday every year. Yeah, 731 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 2: thinks everybody must go out, everybody's significant other must go 732 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 2: out with somebody else on their birthdays. 733 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 5: Here's my closing comment. They don't have to, and yet 734 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 5: it feels like every season they do. 735 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 4: It's manipulated. 736 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 2: It's in the way that they're like, ah, Cat's birthday, 737 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 2: let's make sure that's the day that so and so 738 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: comes down. 739 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 5: So and so comes down. Well, we're looking forward to 740 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 5: the next episode of Paradise. We're going to continue to 741 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 5: break it down, We're going to continue to kind of 742 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 5: shure up some of these storylines. We're getting to the 743 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 5: point in the season where the couples are going to 744 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 5: get stronger and we're gonna start really recognizing the people 745 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 5: that are in relationship. I think as of right now, 746 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 5: it feels like a lot of chaos and a lot 747 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 5: of stealing and taking, and I do think we're going 748 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 5: to get some building upon some of the relationships we've 749 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 5: already seen. 750 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,959 Speaker 3: I'm excited for that. But until next week, I've been. 751 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 4: Ben, I've been Ashley. See you guys. 752 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 2: Stay tuned for our Golden Bachelor episode and our Headlines 753 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 2: episode this week as well. 754 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 4: Bye. 755 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 756 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.