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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, and now your

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Speaker 1: host Tony Peterson. Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wire to

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Speaker 1: Hunt Foundations podcast, which has brought to you at First Light.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Tony Peterson, and today I'm going to

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Speaker 1: take a deep dive into the unfortunate reality of all

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Speaker 1: hunting and of course whitetail hunting. Listen, no one wants

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Speaker 1: to talk about it without pointing fingers. No one really

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Speaker 1: wants to acknowledge what we are facing as hunters. But

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Speaker 1: the end is coming. It's not soon enough to cause

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Speaker 1: too much alarm, but it is the reality that I

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Speaker 1: believe we need to face. Do I think we can

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Speaker 1: stop it? I don't know. Probably not, but I think

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Speaker 1: we can slow it down. And that's what this podcast

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Speaker 1: is all about. Yeah, doom and gloom, negativity. We are

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Speaker 1: inundated with bad news all day, every day, and it

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Speaker 1: is no fun. It has divided us. It's left us

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Speaker 1: at our most tribal points since well we all kind

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Speaker 1: of lived in tribes. That's crazy, but we are stuck

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Speaker 1: in this brave new world. In the grand scheme of

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Speaker 1: it all. It seems crazy to even be concerned with

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Speaker 1: something like hunting. The big picture issues that dominate the

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Speaker 1: twenty four hour news cycle, and they're curated propaganda that

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Speaker 1: goes along with it. They seem so much more important.

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Speaker 1: But to you and I, hunting is important. The existence

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Speaker 1: of white tails in the woods and the chance to

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Speaker 1: feel like it's not really threatened, like those opportunities aren't threatened,

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Speaker 1: But they are. They really are. So where am I

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Speaker 1: going with this? Let me bring up a couple examples

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Speaker 1: to drive home the overall point of this episode before

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Speaker 1: I really get into it. The first one is happening

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Speaker 1: out there in Wyoming. If you've been playing the points

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Speaker 1: game there, the preference point game, I should say, in

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys state, you've maybe heard about some of the

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Speaker 1: task Force recommendations out there, and basically, and I'm really

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Speaker 1: just summon this up quickly here, they're looking at a

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Speaker 1: ninety split for the truly keynote species in Wyoming. This

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Speaker 1: means that if you have your heart set on drawing

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Speaker 1: but you're not in the top three point pools. You

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Speaker 1: are super duper ship out of luck. All that money

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Speaker 1: you dumped into points is basically charity, not it isn't

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Speaker 1: that's what they're looking at it. It seems like non

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Speaker 1: residents are in for a real treat with Wyoming. Probably

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Speaker 1: in a few years you'll see this situation creep into

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Speaker 1: the elk Antal Open Meal Deer point pools too. When

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Speaker 1: that happens, it's going to suck for a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who will pull out of the points game altogether.

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Speaker 1: Wyoming knows this, so one of the things they'll probably

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Speaker 1: do is raise those nonresident license prices more to make

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Speaker 1: up the difference. And the world keeps spinning head on

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Speaker 1: south from Wyoming to the Great State of Arizona, and

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Speaker 1: you'll see that they too, are taking a shot at nonresidents.

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Speaker 1: The days of the over of the counter cous deer

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Speaker 1: melder tags are dying on the old vine. So what

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Speaker 1: you think, I'm a white tail hunter and I don't

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Speaker 1: need to worry about those Western states. Well, maybe you

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Speaker 1: haven't heard yet about the state of Nebraska and how

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Speaker 1: they're tightening things up this year for nonresidents as well

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Speaker 1: with a cap on nonresident white tail tags. Now you

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Speaker 1: might be thinking, good, we need to cater to those

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Speaker 1: residents of whatever state first. After all, they pay the taxes,

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Speaker 1: they deserve to reap the rewards. And anyway, if someone

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Speaker 1: really wants to hunt my state, they should just up

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Speaker 1: And on the tax thing, the tax argument, let's be

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Speaker 1: real honest here. If you're traveling to hunt, you're paying

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Speaker 1: your share of taxes. And those pesky federal taxes end

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Speaker 1: up going to every state in various forms, not the

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Speaker 1: least of which is to manage the federal land on

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Speaker 1: which all of us should be able to hunt. But

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Speaker 1: gives hunters a great excuse to screw other hunters, which

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Speaker 1: We've got a man and she's animals. If it's a

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Speaker 1: And listen, I know, I know everyone does this. This

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Speaker 1: We say we are all in this together, but the

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Speaker 1: and I don't think it bodes well for our future.

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Speaker 1: I think we need to think about this. The truth is,

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Speaker 1: we are losing hunting opportunities without having to actively lobby

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Speaker 1: to take them away from our fellow hunters. There are

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Speaker 1: which I'm absolutely guilty of. I can't help it. I

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Speaker 1: involved in our passion it. Now, I realized that leaves

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Speaker 1: us at odds with overcrowded woods. But here's the thing

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Speaker 1: about that doesn't mean anything. You're overcrowded might be vastly

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Speaker 1: different from my overcrowded and probably is. A common and

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Speaker 1: Having gone out there for elk a handful of times, listen,

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Speaker 1: I get it, the crowding can be intense, but the

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Speaker 1: weird thing is the elk are out there somewhere. I've

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Speaker 1: feels like the same rules applying the white tail woods.

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Speaker 1: of spots, but the opportunities are being taken away, and

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Speaker 1: when they go, they don't come back. One of my

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Speaker 1: when I could have the rules before the hunt was

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Speaker 1: That was like a decade ago, and it's still on hold.

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Speaker 1: This lost opportunity was blamed on brainworms, global warming, and wolves,

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Speaker 1: And this problem doesn't just involve the big picture of

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Speaker 1: I won't. It gets down to a more micro level

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Speaker 1: as well. Urban sprawl is eating up the suburbs and

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Speaker 1: with it the parcels that many of us used to hunt.

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Speaker 1: those cities slickers aren't coming for me. But don't get

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Speaker 1: Either there they are. There are plenty of people growing

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Speaker 1: going to go away. That's going to keep happening. The

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Speaker 1: is real. The thing about this is when people is

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Speaker 1: You go find a new place, often through leasing or

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Speaker 1: aren't great for our future. Now. I'm not knocking leasing

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Speaker 1: lot of landowners that also happens to benefit a lot

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Speaker 1: of folks like you and I. But it's also the

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Speaker 1: kind of thing that's designed for exclusivity, and that means

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Speaker 1: you pay or you don't play. The ones who can't

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Speaker 1: I know what some of you are thinking, aren't you

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Speaker 1: encourage people to travel in New States? Aren't you making

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Speaker 1: good hunters who just want to be a left alone? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: from our increasingly technologically murky lives. That's why this stuff

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Speaker 1: relevant as possible, that's important, and we open up as

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Speaker 1: is just to share numbers game and it involves hunters

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Speaker 1: doing something we haven't done very well in the past,

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Speaker 1: which is not be apathetic. I know that's hard. Trust me,

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Speaker 1: I'm as apathetic as they come. I hate being involved

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Speaker 1: in stuff. I hate joining organizations. I'm mostly an introvert

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Speaker 1: at heart. But hunting is important, and hunting opportunities keep

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Speaker 1: with your pets, the reality is that it's a good

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Speaker 1: so be it. If it's just recruiting one person a

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Speaker 1: So be it. In fact, that might be the best

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Speaker 1: way to do this, through grassroots efforts where we vet

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Speaker 1: not everyone is, but most people deserve a shot. Now,

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