WEBVTT - From the Vault: Elfshot, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Joe McCormick, and it's Saturday, so we are

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<v Speaker 2>heading into the vault for an older episode of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>This one was originally published on September twenty ninth, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, but it was part of our Halloween offerings

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<v Speaker 2>for last year. This was part one of our series

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<v Speaker 2>on elf shot.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. I mean, if you're not sure what this

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<v Speaker 1>is about, well, I mean, does it get any spookier

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<v Speaker 1>than strange, unseen, unknowable beings in the woods just firing

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<v Speaker 1>off strange missiles that may well be invisible, And when

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<v Speaker 1>they lodge themselves in the bodies of your livestock, or

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<v Speaker 1>even worse, your body, they bring about untold destruction.

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<v Speaker 2>Beware of the fairy weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>It was my fault for letting the cattle graze so

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<v Speaker 1>near the old wood, in the circular stones, where the

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<v Speaker 1>roots grow elf twisted and rain water fill the elf

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<v Speaker 1>cups in the rock where strange lights dance some nights

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<v Speaker 1>and the moonlight shines brighter than elsewhere. I'd lost cows before,

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<v Speaker 1>but never like this. I found her bloated and dead

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<v Speaker 1>by the tree line. As I strolled up to the

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<v Speaker 1>poor heifer, I saw neither bite nor puncture on her hide.

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<v Speaker 1>I scanned the surrounding grass for signs of tracks or blood.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw neither. But that's when something caught my eye,

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<v Speaker 1>A small stone point like an arrow head, with neither

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<v Speaker 1>shaft nor fletchings, and carved by some art, not practice

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<v Speaker 1>by mortal men. I stooped to pick it up, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's when I felt a white hot pain in my

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<v Speaker 1>upper left side. I felt for blood underneath my shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>such was the pain, but found only unpierced flesh, even

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<v Speaker 1>as the agony of it brought me to my knees.

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<v Speaker 1>In the tall grass, I scanned the tree line. They

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<v Speaker 1>were invisible to my eyes, but I felt them somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>the elves watching on from the chateaus of the wood,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps snickering in their sublime odd tongue. As the elf

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<v Speaker 1>bolt racked my body, but I clutched the stone in

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<v Speaker 1>my hand, I knew what I had to do. I

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<v Speaker 1>dragged myself back across the field, sweat pouring down my

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<v Speaker 1>face and my spleen swelling fit to burst with elfcake.

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<v Speaker 1>Even then, when I arrived back at the house, I

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<v Speaker 1>dropped the little of stone in a pan of water.

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<v Speaker 1>I clutched my Bible for good measure. I strained remember

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<v Speaker 1>words and incantations by either priest or wise woman. But

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<v Speaker 1>the best I could manage was a vague prayer to

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<v Speaker 1>be interpreted by whatever heard me. In my moment of need,

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<v Speaker 1>I drank the stone, touched water down all of it,

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<v Speaker 1>though it chilled my teeth and stung my tongue. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I realized too late that the charm was no good,

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<v Speaker 1>for it had touch the ground, sunlight had fallen upon it.

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<v Speaker 1>The power of the elves had all but drained from

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, and I was afforded only passing relief. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I write this letter by candlelight, will weigh it

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<v Speaker 1>down on the table with the Queer stone as proof,

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<v Speaker 1>for I am now elf marked and elf taken. I swell,

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<v Speaker 1>I ache the moon rises once more, and the sound

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<v Speaker 1>of their music fills the night.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Joe McCormick.

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<v Speaker 1>And that little cold open definitely takes some liberties with

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<v Speaker 1>the folklore we're going to be discussing here today, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're trying to get a little seasonal Halloween flavor here

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<v Speaker 1>going in this episode, which I guess is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>kickstarting our Halloween season here on stuff to blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>But today we're going to be talking about, as you

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<v Speaker 1>might guess from the opening, elf shot or elf stone,

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<v Speaker 1>pixie arrows, elf arrows, and many other names.

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<v Speaker 2>The missiles of the others.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So the basic idea here, I think is

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<v Speaker 1>basically embedded in the fiction we just shared here. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea that and this is just roughly so with many

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<v Speaker 1>folk traditions, as we'll discuss, there are a number of

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<v Speaker 1>variations over time and space. But the idea here is

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<v Speaker 1>that the elves, out of trickery or pure malice, they

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<v Speaker 1>might shoot cattle or humans in some cases with their

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<v Speaker 1>invisible arrows, and these invisible arrows leave little or no

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<v Speaker 1>physical trace in many tellings, but cause otherwise unexplainable pain

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<v Speaker 1>or disease or perhaps even death. The notion was supported

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<v Speaker 1>via the evidence of discovered neolithic arrowheads and other curios,

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<v Speaker 1>and the ideas especially tied to the British Isles, but

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<v Speaker 1>one sees examples of it from elsewhere in Europe as

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<v Speaker 1>well as from the America after colonial arrival.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So the belief in elfshot, I think is best

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<v Speaker 2>understood not as a single belief but as a sort

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<v Speaker 2>of complex of related explanations for totally different types of

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<v Speaker 2>natural phenomena that are all sort of unified under a

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<v Speaker 2>common theory of fairy weapons and fairy malice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, and without diving any deeper, we can see

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<v Speaker 1>the appeal of these ideas, right. It's a superstitious, supernatural

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<v Speaker 1>script that can help explain several different things, help explain

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<v Speaker 1>and otherwise unexplained illness, otherwise unexplained pain or another malady,

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise unexplained illness or death in cattle, and otherwise unexplained

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<v Speaker 1>artifacts found on or in the earth. Now it makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>I think at this point to discuss the elves a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know for many of us out there, you

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<v Speaker 1>say the word elf and there are probably a few

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<v Speaker 1>different key images and ideas that are going to immediately

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<v Speaker 1>come to life in your mind. I mean, especially now

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<v Speaker 1>with the Rings of Power on TV and so forth,

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<v Speaker 1>many of and also you know the resurgence of dungeons

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<v Speaker 1>and dragons. People are going to think about the fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>elves of Tolkien and Tolkien derived works like Dungeons and Dragons.

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<v Speaker 1>For others of you out there, you might instantly think

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<v Speaker 1>about Santa's elves or keebler elves. Little you know, curious

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<v Speaker 1>people making novelties and imaginary idealistic workshops.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I would say that the influence of Tolkien is

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<v Speaker 2>so strong that, at least in America. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if this would be as true in the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the English speaking world even, but at least in America.

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<v Speaker 2>When you say elf, I think what people mostly think

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<v Speaker 2>is a Tolkien style high elf, an l Rond or

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<v Speaker 2>Galadrial type figure, a kind of noble and elegant fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>aristocrat who has, you know, wisdom and magic arts to offer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and generally just super blonde hair like a real,

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<v Speaker 1>real pristine blonde wig going on in many cases. So

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<v Speaker 1>I guess l Ron Elron didn't have blonde hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Elrond have red hair.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, dark hair, I don't know he's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an the young el Ron, the younger version of Elrond,

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<v Speaker 1>is in the Rings of Power, and I'm I'm suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>at a loss to remember what colors hair is mainly

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<v Speaker 1>remember the ears.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking around the ear in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>two or so. It's like liv Tyler, that's an elf.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess. The interesting thing is that, of course both

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<v Speaker 1>of these ideas, Obviously Tolkien's ideas of elves have have

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<v Speaker 1>their roots in actual folklore and mythology, as one would expect.

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<v Speaker 1>But even like Santa's elves and Keepler elves I guess

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<v Speaker 1>are they're not completely removed from the mythological roots here,

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<v Speaker 1>but perhaps less connected.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as you're saying, once you get outside of the

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<v Speaker 2>very sort of narrowly Tolkien influenced idea, the elf is

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<v Speaker 2>actually an extremely broad tradition.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, And you get into many of these traditions

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<v Speaker 1>and beliefs of old and elves get more mysterious and

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<v Speaker 1>also more dangerous. They become less human and harder to fathom.

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<v Speaker 1>So two of the sources I often turn to when

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<v Speaker 1>when thinking about these things are Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase

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<v Speaker 1>and Fable, which is which is a pretty pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>book even today for for highlighting some of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, of course I always look at the books

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<v Speaker 1>of folklorous Carol Rose in particular for this one Spirits Theories,

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<v Speaker 1>Leprechauns and Goblins, which is still very much in print.

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<v Speaker 1>I always recommend that one to fans of mythological and

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<v Speaker 1>folkloric beings. But in Brewer's Dictionary, Phrase and fable, the

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<v Speaker 1>definition of elf is quote a dwarfish being of Teutonic

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<v Speaker 1>mythology possessed of magical powers which is used for the

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<v Speaker 1>good or ill of mankind. Carol Rose in in the

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<v Speaker 1>Spirits Faries, Lepriicuns and Goblins, mentions that in Teutonic mythology

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<v Speaker 1>the alphar are subdivided into dark elves and light elves,

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<v Speaker 1>and Rose refers to them as well as a type

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<v Speaker 1>of sprite found in British, Icelandic, Scandinavian and Teutonic legend.

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<v Speaker 1>They are the alf the alf. There are several different

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<v Speaker 1>spellings that are kind of like elf or alf or

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<v Speaker 1>yield or in some cases you have like the ellen

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<v Speaker 1>or el folk, and Danish you have the elvore in

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<v Speaker 1>Swedish traditions, and then they're the spey wives in Icelandic traditions,

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<v Speaker 1>and many more. Now there have been attempts to understand

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<v Speaker 1>elves as both sort of folkloric and mythological reverberations of

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<v Speaker 1>our understandings of indigenous peoples, which certainly ties in with

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<v Speaker 1>some of the themes we'll be exploring here, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as with people born with certain birth defects or people

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<v Speaker 1>that have certain illnesses, and these are perhaps broader explorations,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think we can see the validity of both

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<v Speaker 1>avenues combined. Of course, as always with the self sustaining

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<v Speaker 1>power of myth, folklore, and belief. You know, as we

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<v Speaker 1>often mentioned on the show, we can't we can't discount

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<v Speaker 1>the power of human imagination and creativity, be that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>imagination acting out of pure whimsy, or imagination seeking to

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<v Speaker 1>understand things, or does even make shape of various realities

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<v Speaker 1>of life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And another way I would put that is that yes,

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<v Speaker 2>people often did probably see something they didn't understand and

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<v Speaker 2>then try to put together a mythical theory of it,

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of supernatural explanation that would make sense of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But then other times, clearly people just make things up.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, people have imagination and they dream things up.

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<v Speaker 2>So get you get both in our mythical traditions, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's limiting to assume that you're always looking at

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<v Speaker 2>one thing or the other right right.

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<v Speaker 1>But once the Once the script is established, the script

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<v Speaker 1>is generally nourished and maintained. So like other similar beings

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<v Speaker 1>in folklore, such as say, the Irish tradition of the

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<v Speaker 1>Tuaphatadan and fairies and so forth, there's kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>ghost species are to the elves. They're the sublime other

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<v Speaker 1>that occupies places that we cannot occupy. They hold powers

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<v Speaker 1>that we scarcely comprehend, and they may wish as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They may wish us ill, or they may just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of be neutral in all matters, and their reasons are

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<v Speaker 1>hard to fathom. They might do the things they do

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<v Speaker 1>on a whim, or they might have seemingly good reason

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<v Speaker 1>to act against us or for us. They are also

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<v Speaker 1>associated with a host of unexplained phenomena, including visual phenomena,

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<v Speaker 1>making them a core supernatural script for the unexplained that

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<v Speaker 1>I think aligns. Many have pointed this outlined closely with

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth and twenty first century uses of the UFO script

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<v Speaker 1>of the alien visitor script for the unexplained as a

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<v Speaker 1>way of shaping and processing things that we don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, as pointed out by both in both Roses book,

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<v Speaker 1>and in brewers. We have a number of elf related

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenon in folk traditions, and they include the following. There's

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<v Speaker 1>elf bore, which is this is apparently a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>wood from which the knot has been dropped out. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how much I really need a supernatural script

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<v Speaker 1>to explain that, but fair enough. There's elf cake. This

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<v Speaker 1>is an enlargement of the spleen elf child. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a changeling getting into changeling traditions. This one was new

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<v Speaker 1>to me. An elf cup elf cup. This would be

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<v Speaker 1>where you have stone that has a hollow formed from

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<v Speaker 1>dripping water and water collects there. Well, that's the elf cup,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess the elves drink from it. Elf fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting into traditions of the will of the wisp, which

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<v Speaker 1>we've covered on the show before. Now here's one that

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<v Speaker 1>people with longer hair or with children with longer hair

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<v Speaker 1>can definitely comment on. Elf locks. These are tangles and

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<v Speaker 1>knots in the hair caused by elves in the night.

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<v Speaker 1>If one is elf marked, that may refer to birth

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<v Speaker 1>defects or birth marks caused by the elves. If you

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<v Speaker 1>are elf taken, that means you're a bewitched or an

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<v Speaker 1>enchanted person. Elf twisted may refer to someone who has

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<v Speaker 1>suffered a stroke, but it also can refer to deformed

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<v Speaker 1>vegetation elf twisted vegetation. And then this was an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>when I ran across as well. I don't think this

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<v Speaker 1>was in either of these texts, but elf milling the

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<v Speaker 1>sound of woodworms chewing. And then of course we have

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<v Speaker 1>our elf arrows our elf shot, which again is a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect script to turn to in an attempt to explain

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<v Speaker 1>the unexplainable. And also, as alluded to in the Cold Open,

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<v Speaker 1>the artifacts associated with elf shot, the little found stones

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<v Speaker 1>and arrowheads, are also associated with various folk medicine and

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<v Speaker 1>magical practices, generally thought to heal or deviate illness in

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<v Speaker 1>animals or humans. Generally, illness is caused or perceived to

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<v Speaker 1>be caused by the elf shot, Like if you get

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<v Speaker 1>shot by a fantasy arrow, by a magical arrow from

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<v Speaker 1>the elves, well, if you can find that artifact, well

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe we have a chance of curing things. Or

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<v Speaker 1>if we happen to have any in the collection of

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<v Speaker 1>the local healer, maybe a little satchel of elf stones somewhere, well,

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<v Speaker 1>those can be used in the curative.

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<v Speaker 2>Arts, drawing on the traditional logic of like cures like

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<v Speaker 2>or sympathetic magic, the idea that if your ailment is

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<v Speaker 2>caused by a certain type of object or action, then

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<v Speaker 2>it can also be maybe cured by a similar or

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<v Speaker 2>related type of object or action.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right, And sometimes these stones, these elf arrows and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth, they're thought to be essentially the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>were fired. Other times they may have been dropped by

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<v Speaker 1>the elves, and some other cases you have situations where

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<v Speaker 1>these things are interpreted as having fallen from the sky

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<v Speaker 1>and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of the older sources that I read

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<v Speaker 2>quoted said that they were dropped from the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Now for a couple of related concepts. Here in Scotland,

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<v Speaker 1>there are also tales of faery riding, by which a

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<v Speaker 1>livestock's paralysis is explained as being due to exhaustion caused

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<v Speaker 1>by fairies riding the animals around as mounts all through

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<v Speaker 1>the night. There's also the use of thunderstones, of which

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<v Speaker 1>I guess elfshot is kind of a subset or at

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<v Speaker 1>least the very related concepts in which people have reinterpreted stone,

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<v Speaker 1>axe heads, tools, and also fossils as sacred objects that

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<v Speaker 1>may have fallen from the sky or experienced some other

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<v Speaker 1>supernatural entry into our world, and we see examples of

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<v Speaker 1>this in European, Native American and Asian traditions as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I found an interesting quote on this. This is from

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety four and need Fire, published in The Illustrated

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<v Speaker 1>arche Geologists by archaeologist J. Romilly Allen. Quote, there is

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<v Speaker 1>hardly a single prehistoric remain in the country whose name

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<v Speaker 1>does not show that common people associated with fairies, which

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<v Speaker 1>is hags or the devil. So too with the implements

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<v Speaker 1>and objects found on ancient sites, the stone celts looked

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<v Speaker 1>upon as a thunderbolt, the flint arrow and elf arrow,

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<v Speaker 1>the spindle wheel, a fairies millstone, the colored glass bead,

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<v Speaker 1>an adder bead adder beads. By the way, these were

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<v Speaker 1>thought to have been created by snakes, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>used in folk medicine as well, and of course in general,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of invisible missiles sent by a supernatural enemy

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<v Speaker 1>that causes illness. This is also comparable to other concepts

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<v Speaker 1>of magic, spells and curses that can be found in

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<v Speaker 1>cultures throughout the world from their examples, like the traditions

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<v Speaker 1>of the skin walkers, among the Navajo, the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>goo poison and the Han Chinese traditions. You know, many

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<v Speaker 1>such traditions around the world that involve the word work

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<v Speaker 1>of outsiders or secret outsiders that bring about sickness in

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<v Speaker 1>a given people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, I thought it would be a good idea

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<v Speaker 2>for elfshot, specifically to look at a paper that collected

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<v Speaker 2>some direct accounts of folk beliefs about elfshot, especially in

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<v Speaker 2>Scotland where a lot of this folklore work was done.

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<v Speaker 2>And this paper is by Thomas Davidson. It's called Elfshot Cattle.

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<v Speaker 2>It was published in the journal Antiquity in nineteen fifty six. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to preface. In the next episode, I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're going to talk about a couple of papers

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<v Speaker 2>that offer some criticism of the subject of elfshot, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>questioning some things about this alleged folk belief. But I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would be good to first look at some

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<v Speaker 2>of the more prevailing notions from previous scholarship. Now, this

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<v Speaker 2>paper by Davidson kicks off offering a number of accounts.

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<v Speaker 2>The first one is one that was recorded in Scottish

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<v Speaker 2>Notes and Queries in the first series, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>rendered with a wonderful bit of transliterated Scottish accent, which

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<v Speaker 2>I will not attempt to do in my own voice

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<v Speaker 2>as I read it. But it is quoting a buckin' farmer.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a region of Scotland, a buckin farmer in

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<v Speaker 2>the late autumn of eighteen eighty four, and his complaint

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<v Speaker 2>was as follows, quoted in Scottish Notes and queries. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>and there are a couple of terms in here I'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to come back and define in a minute, probably,

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<v Speaker 2>But the quote goes like this, I've gotten an ill

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<v Speaker 2>job this morning, in the death of a fine stirk

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<v Speaker 2>by elfshot. And the pity is he wasn't fastened to

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<v Speaker 2>a hair tether, which is a halter made of hair

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<v Speaker 2>fan the weapon would have fallen short of him. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Davidson writes, when asked whether it might not have

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<v Speaker 2>been due to quarter ill, he replied that couldn't be.

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<v Speaker 2>My neighbor and me open up the beast and there

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<v Speaker 2>was a hole through his heart. So a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>things there. He says that this happened to a sterk.

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<v Speaker 2>A sterk is a yearling bullock or heifer, so think

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<v Speaker 2>a calf young cattle. And then there's this reference to

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<v Speaker 2>quarter ill as the opposite explanation. Quarter Ill is a

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<v Speaker 2>common disease found in livestock, also known as black leg.

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<v Speaker 2>It's caused by an infection, often in one of the limbs,

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<v Speaker 2>by Clostridium bacteria. And I've read in other sources that

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<v Speaker 2>death can be very rapid after symptoms first present, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>just a matter of hours, So you could have a

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<v Speaker 2>calf fall dead of quarter ill without really much warning

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the detail about the whole through the heart.

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<v Speaker 1>This lines up with some other accounts I was looking

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<v Speaker 1>at where while in which elfshot is not thought to

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<v Speaker 1>present a traditional wound. In some cases there's no wound

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<v Speaker 1>at all, but other times there is a wound if

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<v Speaker 1>you know what to look for, if you look closely enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course this easily falls in with the realities

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<v Speaker 1>we see mirrored and other supernatural scripts, like if you

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<v Speaker 1>know the mark of the witch, well, if you look

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<v Speaker 1>closely enough and you want to find it enough, you

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<v Speaker 1>will find the mark of the witch. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to find the you know the hidden censor that the

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<v Speaker 1>aliens put in a person's flesh, well, just keep looking.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll find something that seems a little odd and surely

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<v Speaker 1>that is the mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are all kinds of methods to detect the mark.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk about that a bit in a minute. One

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<v Speaker 2>of them I read about is like the oldest member

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<v Speaker 2>of the family should wear a blue bonnet, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the blue bonnet will be rubbed all over the cow.

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<v Speaker 2>And somehow the rubbing of the flower or the actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that refers to a flower or

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<v Speaker 2>an actual bonnet. It says blue bonnet in the paper.

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<v Speaker 2>But whichever one it is, you rub that on the

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<v Speaker 2>cow and that will reveal the where the animal was struck.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so to recap this story from eighteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 2>this farmer is saying a healthy young calf drops dead

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<v Speaker 2>in its first year, suddenly, no apparent explanation. Again, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>there are diseases that cause sudden death in bovines, and

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<v Speaker 2>the farmer and his neighbor confirm the cause of death

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<v Speaker 2>was elf shot because they did an autopsy and found

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<v Speaker 2>that even though the animal had no external wounds, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a hole in the animal's heart. Okay, second account

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<v Speaker 2>cited by Davidson. This was originally published in Proceedings of

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<v Speaker 2>the Society of Antiquaries in Scotland, and it goes like this,

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<v Speaker 2>Davidson writes. Quote some years before, in eighteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>a mister Hugh Morrison saw a cow which was said

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<v Speaker 2>to have been killed by the fairies. When he pointed

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<v Speaker 2>out to the farmer that her death had been caused

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<v Speaker 2>by rolling over and her long horns penetrating the ground

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<v Speaker 2>had kept her in a position from which she could

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<v Speaker 2>not rise, he was told that that was a common

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<v Speaker 2>way in which cows fall when struck by the And

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<v Speaker 2>then this is something that is spelled like it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like saghead scyth, but I believe this is safe she

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<v Speaker 2>or side she, which is Scott's Gaelic for fairy arrow.

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<v Speaker 2>So Davidson connects these beliefs too, as we already mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the discovery of neolithic flints in the fields and the countryside,

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<v Speaker 2>where he claims that these were not generally associated with

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<v Speaker 2>prehistoric human technology. Now there are some associations of that

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<v Speaker 2>kind going all the way back to the seventeenth century,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're not generally accepted by the people, Davidson says,

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<v Speaker 2>and he quotes the story of a reverend John Fraser,

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<v Speaker 2>who was writing a letter dated to the year seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>o two was recorded in a work called The Darker

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<v Speaker 2>Superstitions of Scotland by J. G. Dalyell. And the letter

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<v Speaker 2>is talking about how Fraser thought it was strange quote

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<v Speaker 2>that these elfstones, whether little or mickel, mikel meaning large,

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<v Speaker 2>little or mickel, has still the same figure, though certainly

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<v Speaker 2>known to fall from the air. The commonality superstitiously imagines

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<v Speaker 2>that the fairies hath made and gives them that shape,

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<v Speaker 2>and that they do hurt by them, which we call

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<v Speaker 2>elf shot. And then he goes on to quote a

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful work the seventeenth century minister and proto folklorist Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Kirk's treatise The Secret Commonwealth of Elves, Fawns and Fairies,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a fantastic historical read if you ever get

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<v Speaker 2>time to check that out. So Kirk is describing the

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<v Speaker 2>beliefs of the people of Scotland and talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>weapons made by elves and fairies, and so to quote

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<v Speaker 2>here from Davidson. Similarly, Kirk describes the weapons as being

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<v Speaker 2>quote most what solid earthly bodies, nothing of iron, but

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<v Speaker 2>much of stone, like to a soft flint spa shaped

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<v Speaker 2>like a barbed arrowhead, but flung like a dart with

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<v Speaker 2>great force. These arms cut by airt and tools. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems beyond humane. And I think aert as a noun

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<v Speaker 2>often means like a compass point, but it could mean

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<v Speaker 2>like art or guidance. But again Kirk is saying that

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<v Speaker 2>they're beyond human. I think I said humane, but I'd

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<v Speaker 2>probably just be human. Here have something of the nature

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<v Speaker 2>of thunderbolt subtlety and mortally wounding the vital parts without

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<v Speaker 2>breaking the skin. So I love this idea. They have

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<v Speaker 2>something of the nature of thunderbolt subtlety. This description from

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<v Speaker 2>the seventeenth century reminds me of what the farmer in

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<v Speaker 2>the much later account in the nineteenth century said about

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<v Speaker 2>opening up the calf and finding that even though the

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<v Speaker 2>skin had not been broken, the heart had been pierced

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<v Speaker 2>with a fairy arrow, and they could tell by the whole.

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<v Speaker 2>And here Kirk says that these weapons have this thunderbolt subtlety.

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<v Speaker 2>If I understand that right, I think he's suggesting almost

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a semi spectral quality, that like lightning, they

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<v Speaker 2>can kill you without eving a hole in the skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though they are actual physical missiles. They've got kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a transparent or subtle quality that allows them to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of warp through solid matter. And later in the text,

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<v Speaker 2>Davidson writes that there was a belief in Ireland where

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<v Speaker 2>you could have an animal that had been hit by

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<v Speaker 2>by an elf arrow and you would not find a

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<v Speaker 2>hole in the skin, but if you feel with your fingers,

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<v Speaker 2>you could find a hole in the flesh beneath, even

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<v Speaker 2>though again the skin is intact. And I love thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about that because even if you just you know, feel

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<v Speaker 2>around on your own body, you can find all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of little, like, I don't know, textual differences in the

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<v Speaker 2>flesh underneath the skin you're pressing on, which you could

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<v Speaker 2>interpret to be like a hole.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, there's you. You can go wild, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>reinterpreting your own physiology if you think there might be

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of a like a hole there made by

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<v Speaker 1>elves or what have you. Yeah, yeah, So it's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it makes me think about like hypochondria, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in this era. So now you might have a more

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<v Speaker 2>realistic catalog of diseases to draw upon when you are

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<v Speaker 2>are sort of like getting in your head about that

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<v Speaker 2>and assuming that you might have all kinds of things

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<v Speaker 2>affecting you. You can like look up real medical conditions

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<v Speaker 2>on the O app, but like, you know, at a

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<v Speaker 2>time before that, instead of hypochondriac googling the Mayo Clinic

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:33.600
<v Speaker 2>website and stuff people are thinking about like elf arrows

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<v Speaker 2>and all kinds of curses and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did I pull a muscle or do I have

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<v Speaker 1>elf cake? You know, it's both would seem equally possible

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<v Speaker 1>in these cases.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think there's an interesting tension here that if

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<v Speaker 2>there was some belief that these weapons were somehow ghostly

0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 2>or subtle in a more archaic sense, like able to

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<v Speaker 2>pass through solid objects like a ghost, that's an interesting

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>tension with the evidence of them often being literally an

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 2>artifact made of stone. The stone the most perfectly solid

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 2>and earthly substance people can think of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that is interesting, the idea that this is

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 1>some sort of at once it is somehow a magical,

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:21.440
<v Speaker 1>invisible weapon that cuts right through flesh and pierces organs

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and brings about mysterious elf illnesses, and yet at the

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>same time, yeah, here's the stone. You can hold it,

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 1>you can pick it up. It outlives us all.

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 2>One final account, I wanted to mention from Davidson. He

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<v Speaker 2>quotes a testimony allegedly given during trials for witchcraft in Scotland,

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 2>and this is in a book by Pitcairn, And this

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:49.520
<v Speaker 2>is citing the alleged testimony of a woman convicted for

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 2>witchcraft in sixteen sixty two named Isabel Goudie, who reports

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 2>having seen the elf arrows being made. Quote, the devil

0:28:00.359 --> 0:28:04.159
<v Speaker 2>them with his own hand and delivers them to elf boys.

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 2>What whittles and dights them? I think dytes means to

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 2>like adorn, equip or ready something and dights them with

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:15.560
<v Speaker 2>a sharp thing like a packing needle. And a packing

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>needle was a large, heavy needle used for sewing rough

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 2>materials like canvas. Now that's an interesting account for a

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.920
<v Speaker 2>number of ways. One is that, of course, while we

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 2>should always be skeptical readers of any historical account, remember

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 2>that there are like several extra layers of skepticism you

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:36.399
<v Speaker 2>should apply to alleged confessions of witches, not just because

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 2>they involve supernatural elements, but because you have to often

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 2>suspect coercion in the circumstances of the confession, and also

0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 2>suspect alterations made by the persons allegedly recording the testimony.

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>But interesting nonetheless that somebody at least put together this

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>account of so Satan is making these weapons and then

0:28:57.680 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 2>handing them off to elf boys to be refined to

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 2>the elf boys will whittle them and then adorn them

0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 2>with like a sharp prick on the end, like a

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 2>packing needle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was reading in one of my sources that

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at that you see a lot of

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>picking and choosing from both Christian and pre Christian traditions

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>and working out exactly how elf shot works in this case,

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 1>but also how one alleviates elf shot, like are you

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:29.360
<v Speaker 1>are you calling out to the Holy ghost or are

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you sort of calling out maybe with a little a

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 1>little more vaguely to other powers in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say this is also evidence of a tradition

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>that you see. I think we talked about this a

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:42.720
<v Speaker 2>bit in some episodes we did last year called the

0:29:42.760 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Holy Undead that involves some stories of stories from the

0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 2>frontiers of Christianity in the medieval period. But the idea

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 2>would be that sometimes beings that were not necessarily devils

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 2>or could have multiple moral valances in the original context

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 2>of a religion, once the area is taken over by

0:30:03.760 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 2>a new religion, these beings undergo a kind of formal

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 2>demonization where now they're just turned into well, those were demons,

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 2>actually those are devils now.

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm reminded of an example that this was something from

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<v Speaker 1>one of our episodes last year that came out during Halloween,

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Ghosts of wind and Rain, I believe with the title,

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned Herne the Hunter as being a kind of

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of wild Hunt related ghost that was said to

0:30:30.160 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>ride through the woods surrounding Windsor Castle. And there are

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>various stories about him, but I remember one of the

0:30:35.440 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>details from that, and I won't go through all of it,

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>but there was one account, and this one was actually

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>shared by Carol Rose in one of her books. There

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>is a story told or retold by folklorist Ruth Tongue

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 1>about three British youths decked out in the teddyboy style

0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:55.120
<v Speaker 1>of the nineteen sixties and they're out there in the

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 1>woods near Windsor Castle. They find a horn in the woods,

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>they blow it, and then an unseen spirit pursues them

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>through the woods and shoots one of them with a

0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 1>ghost arrow, slaying them dead without any physical wound. So

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>that of course is easily playing with the same palwet

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>of colors that we have in elf shot. I mean

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>it is essentially elf shot.

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>So there could be like a hole in the brain

0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 2>without mustling of the pompadour. Right, the story is much funnier,

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:26.480
<v Speaker 2>by the way, if you know what the Teddy Boys

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 2>style looks like, so you should look that up if

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 2>you're not familiar.

0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I had to look it up again to see what

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 1>the style consisted of, and it's hard to nail down,

0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Like it's hard to really like, how do I explain

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>this weird suits, strange hair, kind of a a youth

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>style that did not quite become iconic, at least not

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:51.719
<v Speaker 1>to modern minds. Maybe it has more staying power in Britain.

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 2>I see some elaborate upswept hair styles. I guess you

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 2>would call these pompadors or I don't know, maybe something else.

0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 2>But then I see it very long coats, some skinny ties.

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what else to group this with. It's

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 2>not exactly mod it's not exactly greaser, it's something else.

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, British subculture of the mid fifties to the mid sixties.

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess the big thing would be, like, what are

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:20.239
<v Speaker 1>the teddy boy movies. I think there was just a

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>movie called Teddy Boys from what it is, nineteen fifty

0:32:23.560 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 1>nine starring Cliff Richard. But again I have to hear

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 1>from perhaps our listeners in the UK who have thoughts

0:32:31.280 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 1>on the teddyboy style, teddy boy or not. You don't

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>want to go messing around in the woods and picking

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 1>up strange horns and blowing on him, because it's one

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>way to catch a Gostero, right.

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 2>And one last thing I do want to say about

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>this paper before we move on for now, is that,

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>even by Davidson's account, not everybody who found an arrowhead

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 2>in Great Britain in centuries past thought that they were

0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 2>made by elves, fairies, witches or the devil. Davidson quotes

0:32:55.840 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 2>a Welsh naturalist named Louied. I think is how you

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 2>say his name? I spelled Lhwyd. But who this guy is?

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Early as the seventeenth century was arguing that these l

0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 2>pharaohs were in fact relics of a previous regime of

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 2>human manufacture. In fact, he was arguing against multiple theories,

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 2>one that they'd been made by supernatural beings, the other

0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 2>that they had just been made as charms. And he

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 2>was like, I don't think they were made as charms.

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 2>In fact, they look a lot like the arrows that

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 2>are still used by some people today to hunt food.

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they were probably used for shooting by people

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 2>who used to live here.

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like we said, they do end up getting

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>used as amulets and charms and also have their place

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>in folk remedies of the day. One of the sources

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at with a focus on Irish traditions

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>is Flint and Lithic Lore by Marion Dowd from twenty

0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 1>nineteen published in Archaeology Ireland and down Pints out that

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 1>the artifacts in question in Ireland in this case, and

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>collected by the Irish Folklore Committee in the late nineteen

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 1>thirties were primary collected and originally interpreted in post medieval

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>and modern Irish rural communities, and the various elfstones or

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 1>elf shots they consisted of various things including post medieval

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:26.919
<v Speaker 1>gun flints, fossils, unusual pebbles, but they also included Neolithic

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:31.280
<v Speaker 1>and Bronze age arrow heads, so I think that's important

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 1>to keep in mind. Like, basically, anything could be an

0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:36.359
<v Speaker 1>elf stone or an elf arrow if it were if

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 1>it were found if it were, and if it were

0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>found to be novel in some way, and then gets

0:34:42.840 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>reinterpreted with this supernatural script. Reminds me a bit of

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 1>the I've brought the sub numerous times with the idea

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>of star Jelly, the idea that if you see see

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>some sort of it looks like something fell from the

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 1>sky in the nearby woods. So you go out into

0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.360
<v Speaker 1>the nearby woods and you keep poking around, and do

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 1>you find something slimy that you're like, I've never seen

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>that before. This must be the thing that fell from

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>the sky. There there are plenty of slimy things in

0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 1>the woods, you just usually aren't looking for them. But

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 1>if you look for them with the script in mind.

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.240
<v Speaker 2>The mucus of the universe.

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so doubt also points out some It basically goes

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 1>over some of the general ideas caught up in the

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 1>traditions of elf shop. Sometimes the effects were human targeted

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>in order to take the person away to the fairy realm,

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like most cases you're dealing with the

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 1>targeting of cattle, and in some cases this might be intentional.

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Other times it's described as being due to an accident,

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 1>like basically there are battles between groups of elves and

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 1>the night, and well, your cattle just happened to stray

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>between these two groups, and one of them caught an

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.839
<v Speaker 1>elfharaoh by accident. And then there are other things, of course,

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>one can do to anger the elves and some of

0:35:58.120 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>these traditions. One of the ex samples that she specifically

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 1>mentions is the cutting down of a white thorn tree

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>that especially that could earn you an elf shot right there.

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:11.279
<v Speaker 1>And then she gets into a lot of She also

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 1>spends a lot of time talking about the cures for

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:17.359
<v Speaker 1>elf shot, and a lot of these do end up

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 1>involving the little elfstones and elf arrows that one might

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:26.799
<v Speaker 1>find these various stone artifacts that are very often Neolithic

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 1>or Bronze age arrowheads. But she mentions other cures that

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>don't involve this. For instance, one was to travel silently

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and wordlessly to a bog and fetch water for the

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>animal to drink, but you had to keep your silence

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 1>the whole time, where it wouldn't work. She discusses a

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 1>collection of elfstones known as the tawny white duff Sades,

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and the collection, she says, consisted of fifteen flint and

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:58.440
<v Speaker 1>chirt lithics, including a neolithic hollow scraper, two convex scrapers,

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>several complete and broken blades and flakes, waste flakes, and

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>a post medieval gunflint. And these had apparently also been

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 1>used in various folk medicine treatments over the years. As

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.719
<v Speaker 1>she points out later, you would often have in a community,

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.439
<v Speaker 1>you would have a collection of these like these would

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 1>be the elf stones that were kept. And if there's

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 1>some sort of suspected case of an animal having been

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>elf shot or experiencing elf bolt, then you would turn

0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>to these artifacts and somebody you know who knew how

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:33.839
<v Speaker 1>to use them. I included a picture here of these

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.919
<v Speaker 1>particular stones from this paper, Joe, and you can see

0:37:36.960 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>them here there. These have not been or at least

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:42.080
<v Speaker 1>to my eye, they don't seem to have been changed

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.120
<v Speaker 1>in any way shape or form. I know. I saw

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:47.479
<v Speaker 1>some other images where it looks like in the sort

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>of reinterpretation of the item, there might be something added

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 1>to them. But these seem very much as they would

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 1>have been found. Yeah.

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:58.719
<v Speaker 2>I'd seen some mounted in I don't know what the

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:01.400
<v Speaker 2>term is a little sort of like frame for a

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 2>stone charm.

0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So how would these be used well, As you mentioned,

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned the water already, and indeed the use of

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 1>water seems to be a common theme in treatments, where

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.720
<v Speaker 1>you'll have the lfshot will be placed in the water.

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Other times they'll be wrapped in a rag, and then

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:22.840
<v Speaker 1>that bundle of rag and stones will be placed in

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>the water, and then you give the water to the

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>animal to drink. Sometimes the water is heated up, other

0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 1>times it's not. Sometimes iron is added to the mixture,

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 1>sometimes coins. In one case that she cites, the mixer

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>added quote a florin, a penny and a halfpenny, so

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 1>very very specific amount of money added to the mix.

0:38:43.920 --> 0:38:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Who keeps the money afterwards?

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like I don't guess the money is

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 1>considered as special as the stone, So I guess the

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:53.879
<v Speaker 1>money might go back in your pocket, but it could

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>be wrong on that. She also mentions a treatment method

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 1>by which quote a plow culter was heated in the

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:04.840
<v Speaker 1>fire and passed around the cow several times, repeating incantations

0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:08.880
<v Speaker 1>until the elf dart quote melted into the animal's body.

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:11.880
<v Speaker 1>And I really love that one, in part because it

0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem to involve water or the use of one

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:18.800
<v Speaker 1>of these stones. It uses like another sort of magical

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:24.400
<v Speaker 1>modern artifact, like magical power is attributed to the plow culture.

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 1>And then you're you're using incantations and making this like

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the supernatural dart that is inside the animal melt away

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and become part of the animal. And I don't know,

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 1>this particularly reminded me of a bit of both like

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 1>psychic surgery and ufol the ufology concept of alien implants

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>like you know, there's this, there's something inside, it's not

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be there. Let's use a you know, psychic

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 1>surgery to remove it. And of course you know that'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a situation where you know, it is a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a con act where one is is is pretending, putting

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<v Speaker 1>on a show of removing something from the body without

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>actually making an indention in the body. Right now. What's

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 1>interesting to think about there, though, is that, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with modern concepts of psychic surgery and ufology uphoology

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<v Speaker 1>versus these older ideas, when you're dealing with the human context,

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of ritual like this could have a placebo

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 1>effect on the human individual, and so you could never

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<v Speaker 1>discount the placebo effect completely. But with the cow. I mean,

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>the cow doesn't know what's going on. They don't know

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 1>what The cow doesn't know why you're heating up a

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<v Speaker 1>plow culture and going in circles around it, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>The wait, though, that's actually a fantastic question that I

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<v Speaker 2>have never thought to look into before. Could there be

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<v Speaker 2>a placebo effect on animals? It would probably need to

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:56.319
<v Speaker 2>work by a different mechanism, because, like in humans, it

0:40:56.360 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 2>does seem to make a difference if the human thinks

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<v Speaker 2>there's a mechanism of repair or something, even if there's not.

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<v Speaker 2>In the case of an animal, though, I could still

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:09.200
<v Speaker 2>imagine there could be placebo like effects, maybe like that

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:13.919
<v Speaker 2>an animal feels better by receiving attention from its human,

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<v Speaker 2>like the same human that feeds it is paying attention

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<v Speaker 2>to it now, or by I don't know, other sort

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<v Speaker 2>of calming effects of certain types of attention or intervention.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like that the licking of a like

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<v Speaker 1>a dog licking its wound, that sort of thing. I

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>guess that's a more complicated topic, like to what extent

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<v Speaker 1>is the licking actually helping, and then to what extent

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 1>is it just a calming action on the part of

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<v Speaker 1>the dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I imagine that dog's licking wounds is to some

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<v Speaker 2>extent adaptive. I again, I haven't checked this. I would

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<v Speaker 2>assume that it would be to remove contaminants from wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Dowd shares other healing measures here. This one I

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<v Speaker 1>think was from the modern period. Quote the fairy shot

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<v Speaker 1>cow was cured by feeding her gunpowder mixed with an egg.

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<v Speaker 2>M my favorite breakfast. Wait a minute, hold on, No,

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>gunpowder has has ingredients that that are used in cooking sometimes, right,

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 2>like like nitrates. Am I wrong about that? Hold on? Okay,

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I was right about that. So gunpowder is like the

0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:20.840
<v Speaker 2>main constituent of it is potassium nitrate, also known as saltpeter,

0:42:21.080 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 2>and that is also a major ingredient in like cured meats.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, maybe you're having like a cured

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 2>egg gilt. I guess I'm reaching here.

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna put on a strong warning against trying this

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 1>at home, though, please do not try cooking. Do not

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:40.560
<v Speaker 1>cook with gunpowder down shoes. Some other fascinating tidbits from

0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:43.320
<v Speaker 1>these various accounts of elf shot. One is that disrupting

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>a ring fort could earn you potential elf shot. These

0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 1>were these are This also gets into the reinterpretation of

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 1>remains of of old civilizations and cultures, because ring Fort's

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 1>certainly in Ireland, and outside of Ireland as well, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the remains of brown age circular fortified settlements.

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<v Speaker 1>In particular. She mentions one account that was shared of

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<v Speaker 1>a woman driving cattle past a ring fort and then

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 1>suddenly the herd is attacked by a fairy shooting one

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 1>of these arrows through the air, and a cow is

0:43:18.360 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 1>struck and collapses. But then she's able to search around

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 1>find various bits of flint fragments, boil these quote in

0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:31.640
<v Speaker 1>the cow's drink and thereby cured her. And there's some

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.320
<v Speaker 1>other fun accounts. There's some sort of like near misses

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.120
<v Speaker 1>that I also thought were very, very fun. There's one

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 1>account in which you have a woman returning home and

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<v Speaker 1>she has a wooden pail of milk with her, and

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 1>when she gets home, she realizes that there are two

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:54.600
<v Speaker 1>elfstones embedded in the pail, and these were thrown by

0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the fairies, by the elves. There's another story of a

0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 1>woman carrying a baby and when she gets home, she

0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:05.440
<v Speaker 1>finds that the baby has one of the elfstones in

0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 1>its hand and is chewing on it, which I like

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 1>that one as well, like did the baby catch it

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 1>out of the air or did the elves like give

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:15.799
<v Speaker 1>it to the baby? Like I kind of like that

0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 1>later interpretation because it's like, you know, the elves see like, oh,

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 1>this is a baby. This is really you know this,

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 1>this isn't like the other humans. Let's give let's give

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.839
<v Speaker 1>the baby an el pharaoh. And also let's kind of

0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>just mess with the mom by doing.

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:32.120
<v Speaker 2>This catching it in the air. Word, that's a nimble baby.

0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:34.280
<v Speaker 2>That baby's got a future in professional sports.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, conventional wisdom is that if there is elf

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<v Speaker 1>shot thrown at you and you having to find some

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:44.279
<v Speaker 1>an elfstone on the ground, you better take it as

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 1>a productive amulet and or to use as it for

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.320
<v Speaker 1>its curative effects if you were hit or if the

0:44:50.480 --> 0:44:53.360
<v Speaker 1>you know more particularly of a cow in your keeping

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:56.719
<v Speaker 1>was hit. And there are sort of common interchangeable features

0:44:56.760 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 1>of the cure that Dowd shares, So we touched on

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.440
<v Speaker 1>several stories that mentioned this already. It's placing the stones

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:05.880
<v Speaker 1>in water and perhaps adding something like a piece of

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 1>metal or particular coins to the water as well. Then

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the water may be consumed by the sick or in

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:16.759
<v Speaker 1>some cases rubbed on like the cow's body. There may

0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 1>be prayers, they may be incantations, and I saw some

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.080
<v Speaker 1>examples of these that some of them like blean more

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>into Christian traditions and mention the Holy ghost. Others seem

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 1>a little more pre Christian. The water itself that's used

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 1>may come from a particular place, such as a stream

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 1>at a crossroads, or a particular bog. And then at

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:40.719
<v Speaker 1>least in one case, I saw a situation where once

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:43.400
<v Speaker 1>you have the water prepared, instead of giving it to

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:47.240
<v Speaker 1>the cow, you pour it on the ground near where

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the elf shot occurred. So so treat the place where

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:56.600
<v Speaker 1>the wounding occurred to treat the wound. Also, silence during

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 1>journeys factors into some of these where you mentioned one

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:02.279
<v Speaker 1>account of that, again a mixing of pagan and Christian traditions.

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:05.760
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so these are just some of the basic

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:08.959
<v Speaker 1>properties you see in the treatment, though there are again

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of variations here. There's a lot of drift

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 1>into exactly how one might cure elf shot and exactly

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.640
<v Speaker 1>how or to what extent or if you might incorporate

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 1>elfstones in the cure. Now, I didn't look, but I

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:27.839
<v Speaker 1>can only imagine that various conspiracy thinkers have a lot

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 1>of fun with us in terms of like ancient aliens

0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:36.760
<v Speaker 1>and perhaps ancient time travelers. Like clearly they might argue

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 1>this is referring to a time when a time traveler

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.840
<v Speaker 1>went back in time and fired a revolver at somebody

0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:45.680
<v Speaker 1>fired a handgun and there was a shell casing left

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:49.040
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, or or you know, an alien used

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a phaser or something to that effect.

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was thinking phasers, because there you could have

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:56.840
<v Speaker 2>some kind of you know, sort of science fantasy explanation

0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 2>of how it zaps the inside the inside without burning

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the skin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and of course I love the argument of well,

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 1>the elves were actually aliens, because yes, that is absolutely correct,

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>but not in the way that you're trying, not in

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the way that you're you're saying it, like the idea

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 1>of the elf, the idea of the alien visitor, Like

0:47:18.239 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 1>these are the highly related concepts. These are linked concepts

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 1>that do the same thing, that fulfill the same purpose

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 1>in our attempt to understand the unknown. So yeah, that's

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 1>that's always amusing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's quite clear that at the very

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 2>least in most cases, what you're looking at is extremely

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 2>similar mental and social phenomena getting a new code of

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 2>paint or getting a reskin.

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Basically, and I certainly don't want to speak ill of

0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the elves. I will read everybody a quote from the

0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:54.839
<v Speaker 1>Wikipedia entry on elves. This is one I shared with

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<v Speaker 1>you just the other day, Joe quote. This is from

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<v Speaker 1>the Wikipedia entry. From a scientific viewpoint, elves are not

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:04.160
<v Speaker 1>considered objectively real.

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Citation needed. Have you where has anyone ever proven that

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 2>elves are not objectively real?

0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's a citation on this line, and it is

0:48:15.680 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 1>from an article titled Elves and Anglo Saxon, England Matters

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:24.279
<v Speaker 1>of belief, health, gender and Identity by Alaric Hall from

0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:25.280
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've got a couple of papers by Alericall that

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm going to talk about in the next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, it sounds like he'll be a good source

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:36.680
<v Speaker 1>because he does seem to the Wikipedia citation here's correct,

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 1>does seem to side with the argument that elves are

0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:41.160
<v Speaker 1>not objectively real.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we got to redo our whole approach to this

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:48.240
<v Speaker 2>and consult only journals that are dedicated to the premise

0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:49.840
<v Speaker 2>that elves are objectively real.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, yeah, we'll be back in the next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We have more to say about elf shot and elve

0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:03.000
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