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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Happy Thanksgiving? Koree and Out podcast John

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Speaker 1: Middle Coop. I'm actually right now in Bedega Bay with

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Speaker 1: my family, but had to record a podcast really quick before.

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Speaker 1: We just watched Chicago Bears the Dallas Cowboys, but both

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Speaker 1: get big time wins. Rough day for John Gruden, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean he traded Khalil Mack. He traded a Marii

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Speaker 1: Cooper who had an enormous day. I mean Khalil has

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Speaker 1: had a huge season, a Marii that had a bass day,

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Speaker 1: a couple of touchdowns. I had him in Daily Fantasy.

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Speaker 1: He crushed it. Uh. Rough day. But but I think,

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Speaker 1: to me, before we get into some other stuff, I

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Speaker 1: go around the league, talk about Jim Harbaugh, go get

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Speaker 1: into the Middlecoff mail bag. Pretty a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a light Thanksgiving holiday podcast us, but I had to

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Speaker 1: do something. Uh my big takeaway this morning and today,

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Speaker 1: beside being thankful for everything, obviously, today's Thanksgiving one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite holidays, the best eating holiday of the year

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Speaker 1: by four. Starting with Chicago Bears, like they're eight in three,

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Speaker 1: They're they're a playoff team. It's over that they are

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Speaker 1: going to the playoffs, whether they win the division or

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Speaker 1: get a wild card. More than likely. It looks like

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Speaker 1: they're gonna win the division. If somehow the Packers win

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Speaker 1: on Sunday Night, they will win the NFC North. But

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Speaker 1: they're in the playoffs. They're a they're actually more likely

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Speaker 1: right now to be a twelve win team than they

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Speaker 1: are a ten win team. Like, they're just good. You

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Speaker 1: win a Thursday game. It was actually, as Jim Nance

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Speaker 1: said it on the broadcast, the shortest turnaround in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: They played Sunday night, then they played Thursday morning with

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Speaker 1: a backup quarterback. Hat tipped to Matt Naggy, hat tipped

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Speaker 1: Vic Fangio, hat tipped to Chase Daniels given some credit.

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Speaker 1: I mean the guy is ready. Defense played awesome. Eddie

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Speaker 1: Jackson just keeps making plays. The Bears are good, Like

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Speaker 1: there's just no disputing it. They're good, and they're headed

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs. Uh, they're gonna more than likely host

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Speaker 1: a playoff game. You know, maybe Seattle in the first round.

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Speaker 1: More than likely Chicago is going to be in the

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Speaker 1: second round playing New Orleans or l A. When it's

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Speaker 1: all said and done, They're they're just a good team. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they have a potent offense whenever Mitch comes back, in

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Speaker 1: the sense that they have a ton of playmakers. Mitch

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Speaker 1: They're just awesome. They they make plays, they sack you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're one of the best pressure teams in

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Speaker 1: the league. But Eddie Jackson back to back pick six

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Speaker 1: O A and an apology to uh to the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I made fun of them several weeks back. It's pretty

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Speaker 1: clear they're just good. They have an excellent defense, an

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Speaker 1: excellent an excellent pass for defense. Both those two young

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Speaker 1: just every other game gives them a big game. They're

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Speaker 1: in great shape. Like it's it's pretty clear that the

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Speaker 1: Bears and the Cowboys paid a premium for two players,

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Speaker 1: and they were right. The Bears were one right because

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Speaker 1: Khalil is a superstar. But the Cowboys like if A

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Speaker 1: Maori and then this was my beef with trading Amari

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Speaker 1: like he was a guy that had seven, one, seventy

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Speaker 1: six and two in the bag. Only so many guys

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Speaker 1: I just I'm not big on getting rid of those guys. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're upside. Their ceiling is just too high.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones or riverboat gambler. He gambled and he was

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Speaker 1: rewarded today on Turkey Day in front of the entire country.

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Speaker 1: Seven catches, one seventy six and two touchdowns. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: he's playing well, he'll have the eight nine for one

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Speaker 1: fifty and two touchdowns. Because he's just a game breaker.

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Speaker 1: He has effortless speed. He makes plays that are just

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Speaker 1: like the thing about Khalil. He's slow and steady. He'll

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Speaker 1: And then he's gonna have weeks like today where he

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Speaker 1: And everyone wrote off Jason Garrett made fun of him

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Speaker 1: for being the clapper and Jerry Jones for sticking with them,

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Speaker 1: like I said, they're they're a playoff lock. It's over,

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Speaker 1: I won't go that far. I won't put it in concrete,

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Speaker 1: sure as hell headed that way. The Cowboys are really good.

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Speaker 1: They have a formula that I think will work in December,

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Speaker 1: if they make the play, if they win the NFC East,

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Speaker 1: Let's say they play Seattle in that first round or

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Speaker 1: the Bears for sure can win a playoff game too.

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Speaker 1: And Dallas is that they're a sleeper. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: pass rush, Like they do something unique in this day

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Speaker 1: league where you are you're just not allowed to touch

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Speaker 1: anyone anywhere on the field, the one place you're allowed

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Speaker 1: that's the one area where Dallas can end. Obviously, Chicago

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Speaker 1: they dominate. They Dallas runs around you, Chicago runs right

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Speaker 1: of that ship matters anymore. Can you rush the passer?

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Speaker 1: I know who can? The Bears clearly can, and Dallas

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Speaker 1: but this is easily the biggest game he's coached now

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Speaker 1: in five years since that season. He has to win it.

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Speaker 1: There's just sometimes in life, like things are pretty there's

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Speaker 1: not black and white, Like there's not always a right

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Speaker 1: and wrong way to answer your wife, to discipline your children.

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Speaker 1: Business decisions sometimes are hard. How should I allocate money

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Speaker 1: for marketing? I don't know, there's not there's not always

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Speaker 1: Like this is black and white. Jim Harbaugh has to

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Speaker 1: win this game, no excuses. Myer's team is in shambles.

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Speaker 1: what else is crazy about Jim Harba's tenure. He has

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Speaker 1: and great for the brand. But getting Jim Harbaugh, whether

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Speaker 1: Like that's a huge game, Nick Saban versus Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: he's won those games. He has overachieved as an underdog.

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Speaker 1: Now it's a little different college football. Like you either

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Speaker 1: of the biggest upsets in college football history. Yes, But

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Speaker 1: the points. But I'm just telling you it's possible. But

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Speaker 1: Michigan and Shaye Patterson and Big Blue to go into

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Speaker 1: have to win this game. You're the favorite. You're the

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Speaker 1: you're the favorite. Your team is just better, it's playing better,

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Speaker 1: on the road. But eventually you gotta win a road game,

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Speaker 1: not beat him. There, Just Jim, just come through. I'm

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Speaker 1: rooting for you. I want to happen in college football.

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Speaker 1: Wants it to happen. Okay, let's uh, let's take a

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Speaker 1: he hasn't been sacked in three state games. He wasn't

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Speaker 1: even hit, wasn't watch last game. So if you protect

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, you were gonna light up the opponent. Whether

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Speaker 1: you and I ares receivers, whether he has Reggie Wayne

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Speaker 1: and t Y Hilton, whether he has reclamation projects like

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Speaker 1: Eric Ebron, he will win if he's not getting touched.

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Speaker 1: So Chris Ballard, I know he's a buddy of Collins,

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Speaker 1: and Collins been giving him credit for a while. I

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Speaker 1: was a little hesitant to kind of jump on the bandwagon,

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Speaker 1: but I will tip my hat. I've been impressed. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm never impressed with Andrew Luck because I thought he

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Speaker 1: was elite, But I've been impressed with the other guys

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Speaker 1: that he added. The offensive line has been fantastic, and

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Speaker 1: I mean that was Grigson's main I mean, Grigson had

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Speaker 1: a lot of problems. Ryan Grigson was one of the

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Speaker 1: worst general managers to over see, but his offensive line

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Speaker 1: was putrid. I mean, it was gonna get Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 1: You know, he was gonna live in a hospital. It

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Speaker 1: was gonna ruin his career. So Chris Ballard's kind of

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Speaker 1: saved it. The night game, I've been saying forever anyone

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Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, the Packers to me were done

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Speaker 1: that Monday night football game against UH against the forty niners.

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Speaker 1: So I haven't taken them seriously since nothing has changed

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Speaker 1: since that game to change my thought process on them.

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Speaker 1: If anything is just hammered home. I don't think they're

448
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Speaker 1: very good. I think Erin's over his head coach UH,

449
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: Aaron and his brother getting While Aaron's not getting into

450
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Speaker 1: a verbal spat, his brother called him out this week

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Speaker 1: on Twitter for not calling his mom when she had

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Speaker 1: to evacuate the fires, despite him giving a million dollars,

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Speaker 1: So a little drama there. The Vikings, I I think

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Speaker 1: are the best bad team in the league. And when

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Speaker 1: I say bad, you just look at their record there

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Speaker 1: four or five and one that bad would be too strong,

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Speaker 1: probably just mediocre to average team, like they are better

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Speaker 1: than their record. Obviously the tie, which they easily could

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Speaker 1: have won that game. Uh, they've had some just kind

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Speaker 1: of crazy losses. I think they've played well a lot

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Speaker 1: of the season. Their offensive line is a joke. It's

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Speaker 1: just not good enough, Like it's gonna be the reason

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Speaker 1: that they don't make a run. But as you saw

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Speaker 1: in the game on Sunday night, like their defense is

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Speaker 1: still pretty good. They have two elite receivers and digs

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Speaker 1: and feeling when Dalvin Cook is going, he's pretty damn

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Speaker 1: good and Latavious isn't is an awesome backup. And then,

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Speaker 1: like I said, defensively, they've got pieces. So I like

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Speaker 1: them that they're at home. There are three and a

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Speaker 1: half point favorite I like them big in this game. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's uh, let's record a couple couple of mail bag questions.

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Speaker 1: Keep this a little shorter Thanksgiving, Uh, you know, let

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Speaker 1: you get back to your families, even though if you're

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Speaker 1: listening to this, you're probably take a little break on

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Speaker 1: a little walk. Uh, we're working off some of that

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Speaker 1: grub from from yesterday. Um, I'll answer Middlecoff mail bag.

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Speaker 1: You can always slide up in my d M s

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Speaker 1: at John Middlecoff and I will get to them if

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Speaker 1: for some reason I've missed your question. Uh, I got

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Speaker 1: so many d m s like I would imagine, you know,

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Speaker 1: like models and stuff say their d m s are

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Speaker 1: just overwhelmed. Mine are basically the opposite, with just dudes

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Speaker 1: that are just asking me football questions and just some

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Speaker 1: other random like Tiger Woods questions, which is cool and all,

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Speaker 1: but it's just I realized why sometimes when you shoot

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Speaker 1: your shot and you DM a girl and she never

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Speaker 1: dams your back, well she just might have a lot

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Speaker 1: of d ms. You know. If if I've missed your

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Speaker 1: d m s, it's I I didn't do it on purpose,

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Speaker 1: I just accidentally missed it. I got a lot of

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Speaker 1: random questions about the Colts offensive line. You know, do

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Speaker 1: you just you just miss so shoot shoot me a

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Speaker 1: question if you got one. This is kind of a

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Speaker 1: cool one. Can you talk to through your process of

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Speaker 1: how you evaluated players and what the coaching staff told

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Speaker 1: you to look for when you were on the road,

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can shine some wisdom on the Radar scouting staff.

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Speaker 1: Uh well, I would say the problem for the Raider

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Speaker 1: scouting staff is is almost at hardball, Gruden didn't hire

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Speaker 1: any of the guys. So from what I've heard, I

501
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Speaker 1: just think they come in and you know, and they're

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Speaker 1: not lazy. I'm not trying to say this, but they're

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Speaker 1: just kind of doing bankers hours, punching the clock because

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Speaker 1: they this thing is gonna end. All these guys are

505
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: looking for other jobs, but typically as they should. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Gruden and any Mullen could get rid of everyone. But

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Speaker 1: like with coach read the one thing that Philly we

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Speaker 1: were different, and there's still a little bit like this.

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Speaker 1: They're a little more defined. They run a three four

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Speaker 1: defense when I was with him, where they ran a

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Speaker 1: four three defense, So that always changes. Like what you're

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Speaker 1: looking for with defensive lineman, if you're on a three

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Speaker 1: four defense, you're obviously looking for different defensive lineman than

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Speaker 1: one year four three. That's really the major difference, I

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Speaker 1: would say from most offenses now, sometimes depending on what

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Speaker 1: offense you or I mean defenses, some offenses, depending on

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Speaker 1: what you run. If you run a zone running scheme,

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Speaker 1: you're looking for obviously more athletic offensive lineman. If you

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Speaker 1: run more of a power offensive scheme, you're looking for bigger,

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Speaker 1: you know, stronger guys that may not move as well. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and and some guys, I would say, the good ones

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Speaker 1: can do both. And when it comes to skill guys

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Speaker 1: at least with I mean the one thing with Coach

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Speaker 1: read As you can just tell with his teams over

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Speaker 1: the years, he doesn't care if you're a midget, if

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Speaker 1: you're six seven, if you're a short. You know, there

527
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Speaker 1: aren't heightened you know requirements. There aren't even speed requirements. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Just if you could play, you had to keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on you. I mean, look at from de Shaun

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Speaker 1: to Tyree Kill. But he likes the Sammy Watkins to

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Speaker 1: the Kelsey's, to the Kareem Hunts to the Shadies. I mean,

532
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Speaker 1: he just likes good players. You know, you get him

533
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Speaker 1: a good player, he'll coach him up. Now some teams,

534
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: and this is another thing, you know, it's pretty clear,

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Speaker 1: like Andy, if you work for Belichick, I mean, there

536
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Speaker 1: are certain organizations that are going to be more likely

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Speaker 1: to take some character flyers. You know, some organizations aren't

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Speaker 1: gonna mess with that. So that that that to me

539
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: is a big difference. I know when I left Philly

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Speaker 1: and Chip took over, they had much different emphasis on

541
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Speaker 1: you know, you looked at a teacher wrong, You were

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Speaker 1: off the board, you know, coach read, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you could run the nine route, you know, and you

544
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Speaker 1: had a little problem, you know, I mean, let's talk

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Speaker 1: it out. And that's how the NFL should be. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Chip's way does not work. And that's why I was

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Speaker 1: a little critical at first, which I was a little

548
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Speaker 1: nervous of how Kyle would be, you know, Shanahan, would

549
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Speaker 1: he be open minded? And then there's a balance, like

550
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Speaker 1: when you're on the road evaluating guys, because really the

551
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Speaker 1: big thing when you're on the road is acquiring character information.

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Speaker 1: What the guy is like, you know. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you go into Alabama, you know their top five or

554
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Speaker 1: six guys or all surrounders. It's what kind of guy

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Speaker 1: is he, what kind of worker is he? How smart

556
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Speaker 1: is he? How football smart is he? What's he like

557
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Speaker 1: to coach? I think, you know, how does he treat

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Speaker 1: people when no one's looking? How does he treat the

559
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Speaker 1: academic person, people that can't help him out? You know

560
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Speaker 1: that that's that's the hard information you have to find

561
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: because anyone Now, obviously evaluating guys like is a big

562
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Speaker 1: part of the job. But for the most part, when

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Speaker 1: you're talking about high draft picks. Like, if I'm going

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Speaker 1: into Arizona State, I gotta find everything there is to

565
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Speaker 1: know a out in to kill Harry. I gotta know

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Speaker 1: him like the back of my hand as a human,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean it's clear, like his knock is speed, right,

568
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Speaker 1: he's not a blazer. I know he can make contested catches.

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Speaker 1: I know he produces. It's pretty clear the duke can play,

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Speaker 1: uh and he's gonna be drafted in the top sixty picks,

571
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Speaker 1: but I gotta know hell. I mean forty picks. But

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Speaker 1: I better come out of Arizona State with a book

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Speaker 1: on that kid and know him just what makes him

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Speaker 1: tick to what he's been like with this new I

575
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Speaker 1: guess they got a new staff, but there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of carry over with the with the offensive staff. I'm

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Speaker 1: just using him as example if you don't know who

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. Number one in Arizona States. He's one

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Speaker 1: of the better wide receivers and kind of a down

580
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Speaker 1: wide receiver class. But he's a monster. And also you

581
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Speaker 1: gotta balance it out. Like the hard thing is you

582
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Speaker 1: go into some of these schools like and I did

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Speaker 1: it when I went into like s C, I was

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Speaker 1: I was in the office for two years and then

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Speaker 1: only on the road for one. But because then when

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Speaker 1: you're in the office, you're mainly just focused on pro guys.

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00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: The character doesn't matter, Like if you're evaluating you know,

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00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks, like and I'm Frank Clark is gonna be

589
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: a free agent. I'm just evaluating him as a player,

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00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: like does he fit the scheme? You know that's because really,

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00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: once you've been in the league for a while, your

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Speaker 1: character stuff, I mean, unless you're like Dez Bryant. Now,

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00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: Frank Clark had some character stuff coming out of college,

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Speaker 1: but to my knowledge, he hasn't been in any trouble

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Speaker 1: or anything since. You just evaluate the player. So there's

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of busy work, man, a lot of

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Speaker 1: talking to people that you don't necessarily want to talk to,

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Speaker 1: and just time spent not doing football stuff. You know,

599
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: just I guess the nature of the job. Uh, let's go, hey, John,

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00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: watching the Steelers is like watching a hormonal teenager. This

601
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: is a pretty good one. Try to cope with life?

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Speaker 1: Is there any way to get this fixed? Uh? You

603
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Speaker 1: know that you would in where I live have first

604
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: first world problems. That's that's a first class issue. Why

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Speaker 1: are we not better? Well, I mean, I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: the Steelers have made the playoffs what like nine of

607
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: the last ten years. Now, I get it. I mean

608
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Speaker 1: that's your standard in that organization is high. This team,

609
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Speaker 1: let's call it what it is, was never quite the

610
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: same and they shouldn't have been. I mean, this guy

611
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: was becoming an elite player once ever since Ryan Shazier

612
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: went down, which was a big deal last year. I

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Speaker 1: thought before Ryan Shazier went down, they were the best

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Speaker 1: team in football because their defense was really playing well

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Speaker 1: on their offense was unstoppable. Obviously he went down. There

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00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: never the same and they couldn't stop Bordles in that

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Speaker 1: playoff game to save their life. And then the irony

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Speaker 1: as they fired Todd Haley. Like their score was the

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Speaker 1: final score forty two. Now you could argue they had

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Speaker 1: just a couple of huge, kind of deep bombs, but

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Speaker 1: still like they can always do that. I if you

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Speaker 1: watch the NFL, and I mean if you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: you do, like, I feel like the Steelers are flying

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Speaker 1: somewhat under the radar. We obviously are always blowing the

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00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 1: Saints and the Ramps and the Chiefs, rightfully. So they

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Speaker 1: they've earned the US talking about them, everyone watching them.

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Speaker 1: They've been excellent, and the Patriots always deserve to be

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Speaker 1: in that conversation. Do you know what's crazy? People like

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Speaker 1: got the Patriots aren't quite as good this year. You

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Speaker 1: know what, two of their wins this year, the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: and the Bears, those are pretty two good wins. I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure the Bears game was in Chicago. Now they

633
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Speaker 1: beat Kansas City at home, but those are you know,

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Speaker 1: if this was college football, it's two pretty good teams

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Speaker 1: on your resume. I do think the Steelers could play

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Speaker 1: with any of those four teams in a playoff game. Now,

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Speaker 1: the way it's looking, the Chiefs are now nine and two,

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Speaker 1: they still got a game. They still play Seattle. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they still play the Chargers. Like their schedule is not

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Speaker 1: just a cake walk. But let's just assume they get

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Speaker 1: the one seed. Let's assume New England. I mean, their

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Speaker 1: scheduled such a joke because the a f C East.

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Speaker 1: But you know, in fairness, as much as we make

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Speaker 1: fun of their schedule, they always take care of business.

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Speaker 1: So it's like you can only make fun of them

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Speaker 1: so much because they always went playoff games, but they'll

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Speaker 1: probably get the two seed. So if in some order

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Speaker 1: it's Chiefs Patriots one too. If the Steelers, actually the

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Speaker 1: Steelers I guess, could get a two seed, they're they're not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure how the tie works, and a tiebreaker,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously if you have if the Patriots went

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Speaker 1: twelve and four and the Steelers went twelve three and one,

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Speaker 1: Steelers would get it, right, I mean, they don't have

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Speaker 1: four losses. So let's change this around. Let's say the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs get the one seed, the Steelers get the two seed,

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Speaker 1: and the Patriots get the three seed, and then the

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Speaker 1: Texans get the four, the Chargers get the five. Who

658
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Speaker 1: cares gets the six? Well, if it's the Colts, the

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Speaker 1: Colts wouldn't go into New Engld. No one's going in

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Speaker 1: New England. It's the thing like, none of these teams

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Speaker 1: against the sixty is going into New England and winning.

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Speaker 1: So New England wins that game, the Texans win that game.

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Speaker 1: The second round would be Texans at Kansas City and

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh at New England. Pittsburgh matches, I know they haven't

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Speaker 1: beat New England very often. But if Gronk is not around, uh,

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Speaker 1: New England coming off that extra game. That's the one

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Speaker 1: thing New England because they always take care of business

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Speaker 1: in the regular season, they always have a win or

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Speaker 1: two seat. They never played that first round. There is

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Speaker 1: a big difference. Now, sometimes you can build momentum Kansas era.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh did it a couple of years ago when they

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Speaker 1: went into Kansas City. I think guess it was. Was

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Speaker 1: it two years ago when in Kansa Who Kansas City

674
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Speaker 1: lose to last year in the playoff? Oh, Tennessee, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was two years ago. Levian got hurt. I guess

676
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Speaker 1: the next game against New England. But they went into

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Speaker 1: Kansas City and win, so I they'd have to get

678
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Speaker 1: over that New England. But if they were ever going

679
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Speaker 1: to be the New England team would be this one.

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Speaker 1: I think New England is beatable. This is the nature

681
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Speaker 1: of having an old Roethlisberger. When he's off the team slow,

682
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Speaker 1: but whenever the game's tight in the fourth quarter, You'll

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Speaker 1: always have faith as long as Ben's under center or

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Speaker 1: in the shotgun. And Antonio Brown is arguably a top

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Speaker 1: five non quarterback in the league. I mean he is

686
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Speaker 1: the top five non quarterback in the league. Jujus awesome.

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Speaker 1: Vance is playing well, the offensive line is good, the

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Speaker 1: defensive line, I mean they get some pass rush you

689
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: can't even no one can cover in the NFL. So

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter as much. I know it's probably piss

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Speaker 1: you off watching the Steelers, but I'd feel pretty good

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Speaker 1: about my chances, especially if they're able to somehow get

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Speaker 1: a bye in the UH in the playoffs. Now, if

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Speaker 1: they do have to win, play that first game, now,

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Speaker 1: they would tell you, well, we had a bye last year.

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Speaker 1: The Jacksonville Jaguars came in and Pisa. Jackonville Jaguars were

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Speaker 1: a pretty damn good playoff team last year when you

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Speaker 1: think about it. Their defense was playing at an elite level.

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Speaker 1: They had for net who was healthy. They still had

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Speaker 1: Marquis Lee. I mean, they had some weapons on offense. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like just some random Jacksonville Jaguar team. I

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Speaker 1: mean that. I know that was a pretty big upset,

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Speaker 1: but looking back, it's not quite as crazy as you think. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy in the sense that you you scored forty

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Speaker 1: two points and you lost, Like that's that's pretty unheard of.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine there's not gonna be many teams in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs this year did host a playoff team and

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Speaker 1: score over forty and loose. I'm not ESPN stats in info,

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Speaker 1: but I would imagine if we looked into it in

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Speaker 1: the history of the NFL playoffs now in the seventies,

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Speaker 1: I would imagine no one ever scored in the forties,

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Speaker 1: But the last like thirty years, no one who's ever

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Speaker 1: scored forty points at home in a playoff game has

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Speaker 1: ever lost. That's middle cooff stats in info that I'm

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Speaker 1: making that up right now, and I believe it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: last one middlecoff mail back. As a Vikings fan, I've

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Speaker 1: heard John d Filippo's name tossed around as a potential

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Speaker 1: head coach. I do not get the hype. Having all

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Speaker 1: season Shermer had a better offense with the worst quarterback

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Speaker 1: and isn't panning out as a head coach. After watching

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Speaker 1: the Bears Vikings game, should anyone considered d Filippo. If so,

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Speaker 1: what is all the hype around? Well? Full disclosure here again, transparent,

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Speaker 1: hang my hand on transparency. Flips a good buddy of mine.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big Flip guy. He's gonna be a head coach.

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Speaker 1: He's good I believe in him. Bias, yes, but I'm

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Speaker 1: biased when I talk about ay Reid. I'm biased when

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Speaker 1: I talk about mat Aggie. Like most of for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: people I know in the NFL UH that I'm really

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00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: close with are just go to their jobs. John D. Philippo,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you two things. It's a little different than Patremer.

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Speaker 1: The Vikings defense last year was beyond elite. Like you,

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Speaker 1: they dominated, so the games look different, you know, like

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Speaker 1: the Bears this year their defense dominates every week, so

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Speaker 1: you can get by with your bisky. And I would

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Speaker 1: say that just watching the Vikings, I've actually feels like

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Speaker 1: I've watched them the majority of their games. Their offensive

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Speaker 1: line this year is not even capable of functioning against

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Speaker 1: good teams. And the problem in the nfc UH right

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Speaker 1: now is and they've played the Ramps, who have an

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Speaker 1: elite defensive tackle that they could not block in that game,

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Speaker 1: they play the Bears, who have the best defensive line

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Speaker 1: in the league, they can't block the best front because

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Speaker 1: some of their pass rushers, I mean Max is not

744
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: a defensive lineman on their team, they can't block them.

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Speaker 1: Heelings having a massive year Digs has been good Cook

746
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Speaker 1: has been hurt. Now the argument would he was hurt

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Speaker 1: last year. Uh, the one thing you'd say, like cousins,

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Speaker 1: I'm a Cousin's guy in the sense that I think

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Speaker 1: he takes some unwarranted hits, Like, yeah, he throws some

750
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Speaker 1: bad picks, and he did. The pick against Eddie Jackson

751
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: was bad. But talking to a buddy on the Bears

752
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: the other day, he was like, Kirk makes some big

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00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: time throws in that game. And this was you know,

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Speaker 1: a guy on the staff that goes back and rewatches

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00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: the tape like they were impressed, Like they they're not

756
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: thinking like he's some scrub. They think The Bears look

757
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: at it like they've upgraded, as they should. I think

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Speaker 1: d Filippo has done a good job. The biggest issue,

759
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: and I think Zimmer would tell you this is their

760
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: defense and big spots have been shitty. They've they've given

761
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Speaker 1: up plays the offense. Check Kirk's numbers again, just check

762
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: his eye test. Now, he's had some big turnovers, But

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Speaker 1: I think Flips. I would much rather have Flip. Now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's not maybe he doesn't become a good head coach.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's life. Not everyone's gonna become a good

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Speaker 1: head coach. But it's in the it's inevitable he's getting

767
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Speaker 1: a shot in the next year or two. Like it's happening.

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Speaker 1: I knew Pat Schrumer was not going to be a

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Speaker 1: good head coach. Like we'd already been down that road,

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Speaker 1: we'd seen it. The rumors in Cleveland were like, he

771
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Speaker 1: couldn't pull the trigger. There was just two on the sideline.

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Speaker 1: He just freeze, like I I the Giants hiring him

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Speaker 1: was crazy, Like I would hire Flip now again. Not

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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh gets hired ten times. Sean McVeigh only comes

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Speaker 1: out twice, you know, because a lot of times it

776
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Speaker 1: doesn't work. A lot of guys are over their head,

777
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: a lot of guys just aren't read. You know, you

778
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: just never quite know until you do it. But I

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Speaker 1: believe in them. I think he's a good coach. I

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Speaker 1: think the Vikings biggest issues this year have been on defense,

781
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Speaker 1: and one of their problems is one thing their defense

782
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: has always really kind of hung your hat on the

783
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Speaker 1: last couple of years was Sundeo and Harrison Smith and

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Speaker 1: just other defensive you know, secondary and even linebackers with

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Speaker 1: Eric Kendricks. They don't give a shit about the flags.

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00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: They are looking to put you in the ground and

787
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: make you feel pain. What's harder to play like that? Now?

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00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: They throw flags. Their defensive linemen have always been so violent.

789
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Speaker 1: When you get extra flags for throwing the guy on

790
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: the ground too hard, it's it's the rules because the

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Speaker 1: vikings I thought last year reminded me a lot of

792
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Speaker 1: the Seattle and forty Niners teams with Harbonn Pete Carroll

793
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: five six years ago. They were built like that kind

794
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: of run the ball, a couple of playmakers, but defense

795
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: they were gonna smother you, and a lot of it

796
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: was because their safeties would just kill you. Their defensive

797
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: line dominated and their safeties would break you in half. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's harder to do that now. Like I again, I

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm maybe I'm biased, you know I'm transparent here,

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Speaker 1: but I I think that their issues have been on defense.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone listening. Uh another fun podcast. Hope you guys

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Speaker 1: had a good Turkey Day and uh I'll see you

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Speaker 1: next week and enjoy the weekend. Hopefully Michigan can take

804
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: out Ohio State and we get hard Boss saving Game

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Speaker 1: one of the CFP. I'm all for that. Not a

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00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: great Sunday slate, but uh, NFL football is better no

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00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: NFL football, so we better enjoy it. I mean, hell,

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Speaker 1: we're already, Brian, thanks for giving. I mean, we don't

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Speaker 1: have much longer than season left, so enjoy it. Why

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Speaker 1: you can have a good weekend, Happy holidays,