1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: It's just or for a week until india voters go 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: to the polls in the country's general election, but it 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: will be far from a quick process. The world's most 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: populars democracy votes in seven phases over forty four days. 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Rushier Sharma, Rockefeller International Chairman, spoke with Wall Street Week 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: host David Weston yesterday about India's economic rise and what 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: to expect from the upcoming election. 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: If you look at India's economic progress since it got 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: independence in nineteen forty seven, right up until the nineteen eighties, 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: India was a big laggard economy that its rankings in 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 2: both per capita income terms, in both its in terms 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: of its GDP size kept on falling for the entire period. 13 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: The turning point as far as India's economic progress was concerned, 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: I think was really the nineteen nineties when you had 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: the major burst of economic reforms that took place. When 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: the Indian economy me nearly went bankrupt, it had to 17 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: go to the IMF again and get a big rescue program. 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: That's really what began India's economic turnaround and that's what 19 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: led to India's rise. 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 3: And what we've seen over the past few years is. 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: A continuing momentum of that rise, which began in the 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: early nineteen nineties, so. 23 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 4: That began before Prime Minister Moti It came to office. 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 4: At the same time it has continued. How much is 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 4: he getting credit today in India for that as he 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 4: looks toward these elections. 27 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: But he's getting lots of credit for that, and I 28 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: think there are two or three reasons for it. One 29 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: is the fact that it's reached a sort of critical mass, 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: which is that when India was rising in the nineteen 31 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: nineties or in the. 32 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: Two thousands, the base was much smaller. 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: It's still in per capita income terms of relatively small base. 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: But now that India has become the world's fifth largest economy, 35 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: that just tends to have a much. 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: Greater effect in terms of his direct credit. 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: I think that the one thing which is possibly underestimated 38 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: is that how non inflationary this growth has been over 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: the last few years. That if you look at the 40 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: previous growth spurts that India had, particularly in the preceding 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: Congress government, one of the big problems was that it 42 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: also led to a big surge in inflation. This time 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: inflation has been relatively low, and that is a big 44 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: plus because in politics around the world, economic growth may 45 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: or may not matter, but inflation matters. Nothing kills the 46 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: prospects of incumbents as much as rising prices, and the 47 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: fact that inflation has been relatively under control is I 48 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: think one of those underappreciated factors because we, as economic 49 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: commentators or even political commentators, focus so much on just 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: the headline GDP growth numbers. 51 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: So the fact that you have very low inflation or 52 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 3: relatively low inflation, I think has been a big positive. 53 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: The other couple of things which are working in his 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: favor is that this growth spurt has happened at a 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: time when so many other emerging markets, including China, have 56 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: been sputtering, which. 57 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 5: I think who sure takes us to an ultimate question, 58 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 5: at least for Wall Street Week, which is is it 59 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 5: a good investment? In the past, you said India tends 60 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 5: to disappoint both the optimisty and the pessimist sooner or later. 61 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: It sounds to me from. 62 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 5: What you said that Modi is a pretty good investment, 63 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: but it's not as clear that India is once we 64 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 5: move past mode. 65 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, at least for now in terms of the economic momentum, 66 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: is quite strong. So I would know whether I said 67 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: that India has been a very good investment ever since 68 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: I began began my career. So I think that India 69 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: in general is a country that tends to move along. 70 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: It's like two steps forward, one step back, maybe one 71 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: and a half steps back. 72 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: At times under MODI it's been less back and you've 73 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: got economic progress. But the I'll only sort of, you know, 74 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: say two things to summarize my view here. One that yes, 75 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: India does appear to have a lot of great momentum 76 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: for now. But the second thing I will caution any 77 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: emerging market investor is that don't put all your eggs 78 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: in one basket, because remember four or five years ago, 79 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: everyone only wanted to speak about China as the ultimate 80 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: emerging market, and China sucked the energy out of so 81 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: many other investment opportunities because it was seen as the only. 82 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 3: Really big winning bet and emerging markets. 83 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: Look how that turned out, or at least how the 84 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: sentiment turned on that. 85 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: And that was Ruth cher Sharma, Rockefeller International Chairman, and 86 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: of course Wall Street week House, David Weston