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Speaker 4: They thought I was our roker. That's December ninety four,
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Speaker 6: I got, how did you you just kind of like
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Speaker 2: Did you wave back like you what's up? Brother? You're
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Speaker 4: We got going Cowboys are two point underdogs in this
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Speaker 2: A lot of work to a lot of work to
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Speaker 4: So we as the week goes on, we got a
Speaker 4: lot of things we got to dive into. We'll make
Speaker 4: our predictions for the record for the division winners for
Speaker 4: a touchdown, pa, I can't wait to hear it. Got
Speaker 4: a whole lot we'll get fits the player of the year.
Speaker 4: How many yards was the cab? We go a whole
Speaker 4: lot to get to this week, But first let us
Speaker 4: start with the quarterback Number four, four Rain Dakota Prescott.
Speaker 4: Jerry said when he spoke to the media last week,
Speaker 4: right after he showed us the Texas Lotto scratch off game,
Speaker 4: the Cowboy fans can win, got a free one. They
Speaker 4: still need to go scratch it off. I hadn't done
Speaker 4: it yet. Don't look for a deal for dak Prescott
Speaker 4: before the season started, so we basically said so we
Speaker 4: would not, And then Clarence Clarence Ill tweeted it out,
Speaker 4: wrote a story about on his new website, don't look
Speaker 4: for a dak deal. So I'm not looking for number
Speaker 4: four contract because the owner basically said it. Clarence wrote it,
Speaker 4: I've seen no indication that number four is walking through
Speaker 4: with anything else other than what he's got right here.
Speaker 6: You good with that if I'm the organization, No, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm not good with that because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 6: the longer you wait and if you get these first
Speaker 6: couple of games under your belt without a deal done,
Speaker 6: you know, the price is just gonna go higher. But
Speaker 6: if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm looking at it like, hey man,
Speaker 6: you know, why would I go go ahead and sign now?
Speaker 6: If I'm looking for him. I mean, of course you
Speaker 6: get the securities and all that guarantee. But in my opinion,
Speaker 6: I believe, no matter what happens this season, you know, injury,
Speaker 6: God forbid it doesn't happen, but injuried all that good stuff,
Speaker 6: he's still gonna be the top, you know, paid player
Speaker 6: in the National Football League come this offseason, regardless of
Speaker 6: what happens. I mean, we just saw Kirk Cousins go
Speaker 6: down and still get the major bag. So to me,
Speaker 6: if I'm Dak Prescott, you know I feel like if
Speaker 6: you signed earlier, you're gonna leave some ducats on the table.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I understand, he's, you know, team guy.
Speaker 4: He wants to get it done. I understand all that.
Speaker 6: But for me, I believe if he wants to wait
Speaker 6: it out, he has a chance to be a record
Speaker 6: breaking number wise when you talk about deal.
Speaker 2: So if I'm Dak Prescott, you know I'm not in
Speaker 2: the arrest to sign it either.
Speaker 4: All right, Cowboy safety Barry Church is spoken. Heck ma
Speaker 4: Harrison bring it to his baby, not.
Speaker 5: Just well, I just feel like leverage plays into and
Speaker 5: I think that's what you're talking about, you know, the
Speaker 5: levers that he has, and whether it plays out in
Speaker 5: his favor if he waits, so he signs it now.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make any sense for the Dallas Cowboys to
Speaker 5: have their wide receiver locked up and not have their
Speaker 5: quarterback locked up.
Speaker 2: That's just two things that don't go together.
Speaker 5: Maybe I'm talking common sense, but I'm just basically saying
Speaker 5: most teams operate the other way around unless you have
Speaker 5: a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 2: But look, here's the deal. I would expect.
Speaker 5: My thing is I would expect for them to be
Speaker 5: working their butts off to get this done this week
Speaker 5: so they can put that to bed and go forward
Speaker 5: with this season, because otherwise you're gonna have that looming
Speaker 5: for the entire season. And we know how that go.
Speaker 5: The narrative will start to rewrite itself each and every game.
Speaker 5: And look at the beginning of this season, you got
Speaker 5: some tough games and for Dak this could be his
Speaker 5: opportunity because it could go either way, all right, because
Speaker 5: as you say, that, gonna get his money no matter what.
Speaker 5: All right, But what if he is abysmal in this
Speaker 5: first five six weeks of the season, what if his
Speaker 5: offensive line gets him destroyed?
Speaker 2: And you know, I.
Speaker 5: Think, I think all of those things are gonna start
Speaker 5: to play a part into the psychy of this team.
Speaker 5: And so that's gonna be to me the one thing
Speaker 5: that I'm gonna be looking to. If you get him signed,
Speaker 5: you get him done. You already know he's your quarterback
Speaker 5: for the future. So any way that those narratives go,
Speaker 5: it's not going to change, especially in the media on
Speaker 5: how you perceive that.
Speaker 2: But if you're the player, what would you do with this?
Speaker 6: That's you know, I understand what you're saying organizational wise,
Speaker 6: but if you're Dak and your Dak shoes, would you say,
Speaker 6: all right, man, let's get this thing done. Or I
Speaker 6: think Dak is In has been in a great position
Speaker 6: since he's been drafted here in the fourth round.
Speaker 2: I think they broke him off. You know, he's made
Speaker 2: a ton of money.
Speaker 5: The expectations have always been high, and he's flown somewhere
Speaker 5: under that with only two playoff wins. But he's in
Speaker 5: a good predicament here in Dallas, and that's that's just
Speaker 5: how I feel.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: If he feels like he can get sixty five million
Speaker 5: dollars and he's just gonna chill this whole season.
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 5: I completely understand that. Also, but I think the Cowboys
Speaker 5: are going to be in the running then. Also now,
Speaker 5: I don't think anything changes as far as that, but
Speaker 5: I think getting it getting it done now, to at
Speaker 5: least not have that be over your head the entire
Speaker 5: season should work best for him, because that's one less
Speaker 5: thing he has to worry about.
Speaker 4: What do players say in the locker room when they
Speaker 4: see something like it's going down there?
Speaker 6: Well, when you're in the guy like Dak's position, you know,
Speaker 6: everybody in that locker room respects him.
Speaker 2: He's one of the captains.
Speaker 6: So when you look at a guy like that, you
Speaker 6: want him or that deal to work out as best
Speaker 6: as it can for Dak. You're not really looking at,
Speaker 6: you know, organizational wise, if we get him done, we
Speaker 6: can sign this guy, we can sign that guy. You know,
Speaker 6: as a leader in that of that football room and
Speaker 6: in that locker room, guys are just saying, hey, we
Speaker 6: want this to work out for Dak, whatever way that happens.
Speaker 6: If it's you know, three years at this amount, four
Speaker 6: years at that amount, you know, the highest paying in
Speaker 6: the NFL, top three, whatever the case may be. You
Speaker 6: just want that thing to work out for Dak. For
Speaker 6: those guys in the.
Speaker 4: Locker room, he basically came out, he said, it speaks
Speaker 4: volumes that it's not done.
Speaker 2: So what's that done for?
Speaker 4: It speaks volumes.
Speaker 5: Look this argument. What I've discovered about this argument with Dak,
Speaker 5: it's twofold. Like you hear people in the media saying,
Speaker 5: you know, Dak is not an elite quarterback, but he
Speaker 5: deserves sixty five million dollars.
Speaker 2: You look at per year, all right.
Speaker 5: You look at the guys that have signed those the
Speaker 5: highest paid quarterback deals. The top five are those elite guys. No,
Speaker 5: And so the argument with Dak always goes back and forth.
Speaker 5: And like you talked about from from a locker room perspective,
Speaker 5: there's nobody that those fifty three fifty two guys respect
Speaker 5: more than number four because they've seen him put it
Speaker 5: on the line. You played with him. I mean, so
Speaker 5: you can speak to the character of the man more
Speaker 5: than anything else. And so that's why it's so confusing
Speaker 5: to me. You know, so you start asking people like,
Speaker 5: what's your deal with Dak, what's your deal with that?
Speaker 5: And it is just that you're a cowboy hater or
Speaker 5: whatever it is. But you can't take away from the
Speaker 5: numbers that say he has been amongst the elite and
Speaker 5: deserve to be paid according to that, and.
Speaker 6: He's the next guy up. I mean, look, I mean
Speaker 6: it worked out that way. You know, Trevor was a
Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence guy fifty five, one playoff game, one playoff game,
Speaker 6: and nobody really Oh yeah, he has a talent.
Speaker 2: He has man thatk has done more in this league
Speaker 2: for a longer period of time. He's the next man up.
Speaker 2: He's it's time to get broken off. That's just how
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray got forty six million. That got forty and
Speaker 4: then they put the man clause in the contract.
Speaker 5: Got the sticks, his Xbox on lock, give me the
Speaker 5: code to the box.
Speaker 2: We need you to.
Speaker 4: Actually take that iPad and open it. I mean, but
Speaker 4: that says something you're not asking. You're not hearing that
Speaker 4: about Dax. So, but when when people talk about elite,
Speaker 4: so what what I've always found amazing amongst fans is
Speaker 4: they want guys to quote unquote prove it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's just good.
Speaker 4: That's not how this business works because if people had
Speaker 4: to prove and win super Bowls and get the Super Bowls,
Speaker 4: then people would not be paid. Justin Herbert would not
Speaker 4: have got his money from the Chargers, Trevor Lawrence would
Speaker 4: not have got his money from Jacksonville, Kyler Murray would
Speaker 4: not have his money. Guys, guys, sap. That's not how
Speaker 4: this This is not how this thing works. Okay, there's
Speaker 4: this is a marketplace, and the marketplace is what you
Speaker 4: and your agent can negotiate. Oh, by the way, what
Speaker 4: leverage do you have versus the team? A team like
Speaker 4: Jacksonville has no answer if they don't have Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 4: so they're writing the check and go on down the line.
Speaker 4: Arizona had no let well, we're gonna pay him. Cincinnati Baltimore,
Speaker 4: who acted like they didn't want to.
Speaker 2: Pay We know what happened with who won an MVP
Speaker 2: even they came.
Speaker 4: Okay, right, you know how I feel last the last
Speaker 4: time I do they did it? They did Jalen hurts
Speaker 4: me the same thing man, same thing. This is what
Speaker 4: it is. So Jerry had the rambling press conference and
Speaker 4: played this play coin on that you're writing a check
Speaker 4: because if you don't write to check, somebody else is
Speaker 4: gonna write to check it. Then you know what kind
Speaker 4: of check you out to write? Now you gonna have
Speaker 4: to write a check to somebody you really don't know
Speaker 4: a whole heck of a lot about, because what's behind
Speaker 4: that door number two? You don't know what's coming through here?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's I think when you look at
Speaker 5: a team like San Francisco, right, you look at a
Speaker 5: team like San Francisco who has been built up in
Speaker 5: some kind of way, have found a way quarterback after
Speaker 5: quarterback to put a guy at the helm, to win
Speaker 5: double digits and go to a super Bowl, at least
Speaker 5: in NFC Championship because they believe.
Speaker 2: And this is.
Speaker 5: Obviously speaking to Mike McCarthy who's on one year. This
Speaker 5: doesn't kind of go together, but I'm just saying that
Speaker 5: teams believe that they can win with damn near anybody,
Speaker 5: you know, and maybe maybe playing the devil's advocate here.
Speaker 2: That's the thought process.
Speaker 5: We got the weapons, all right, we got the defense,
Speaker 5: and hey, we can find anybody to do.
Speaker 6: What you do in the thought process is definitely you
Speaker 6: know what's you know what's the alternative? Okay, we do
Speaker 6: pay him, and let's just say there's another string of
Speaker 6: four years where you're out in the first or second round.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and you're that's your ceiling right there
Speaker 2: here you are.
Speaker 6: And then you see other teams like just go Houston
Speaker 6: for a random and they restart and they get it,
Speaker 6: you know, first round guy number one overall, pick number two,
Speaker 6: whatever he was, and he's able to you know, turn
Speaker 6: that whole franchise around.
Speaker 2: There's a formula.
Speaker 4: It's it's but you always have a chance before and
Speaker 4: and that's the thing you gotta kind of Leanya hat
Speaker 4: On if I was gonna have a chance if we
Speaker 4: go back, hekma and break down the forty nine ers
Speaker 4: in terms of the screw ups, but the cover up
Speaker 4: made it good.
Speaker 2: The first screw up is in the draft.
Speaker 4: They ended up trading with Chicago and letting them go
Speaker 4: get Mitchell Trubisky. They trade down and their first round
Speaker 4: picked is Solomon Thomas, who John Lynch said, well, you
Speaker 4: stand for God knowing, so while you took that dude,
Speaker 4: you allowed Mahomes and Watson to be drafted ten and twelve.
Speaker 4: They were hoping. Kyle was hoping that he could get
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins when he got to San Francisco, but Cousins
Speaker 4: got that crazy money from Minnesota, so they ended up
Speaker 4: getting lucky and getting Jimmy Garoppolo. They got lucky, so
Speaker 4: you got lucky with Jimmy, ended up going into a
Speaker 4: Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So then they're tired of Jimmy.
Speaker 4: They decided to go give up three first round picks
Speaker 4: for Trey Lance doesn't work out, ends up the seventh
Speaker 4: round pick they got with brock Purty ended up working out,
Speaker 4: so he goes to another Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Lost it like he lost with Garoppolo.
Speaker 4: But along the way, just the decision making here, the
Speaker 4: first thoughts aren't good.
Speaker 2: The cover up is good. I like that, they're getting lucky. No,
Speaker 2: I like that, and it's the cover up is mean.
Speaker 4: But at some point time you go get got, you
Speaker 4: go get got. Granted, they're living good, they're living good,
Speaker 4: they've got no championships. But the thought process. But baby,
Speaker 4: they've been wrong. Oh yeah, they've been wrong. And so
Speaker 4: except sometimes it works out for you. Hey, Dallas ended
Speaker 4: up with Tony Romo, no undrafted dude out Eastern Illinois.
Speaker 4: Worked out well for them because remember they had balletso
Speaker 4: Parcels that had ran on Quincy and had Testaverdy. Then
Speaker 4: they go get Drew and then Romo steps in and
Speaker 4: then Dak Prescott not even the first first round pick
Speaker 4: they had. You know, he was the second fourth round
Speaker 4: pick they had, I should say, the second fourth round pick.
Speaker 4: Remember remember who they went took number four?
Speaker 7: First?
Speaker 2: Uh in the fourth round?
Speaker 4: First Charles Tapper. There's a there's a trivia question.
Speaker 2: Okay. Then they went and got Dak Prescott.
Speaker 4: So sometimes you got to just get a little bit
Speaker 4: of lucky and things can fall in place for you.
Speaker 4: But you know, this ain't Bill Wall saying, hey we
Speaker 4: want Joe Montana. Hey I'm trading to receive young The
Speaker 4: Niners ain't living like that. But it works out, and
Speaker 4: that's all you gotta do sometimes is have it. Have
Speaker 4: it work out. But most of Dak Prescott not gonna
Speaker 4: sign the deal before the Browns game.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't if I'm in it either. But he's getting paid. Oh,
Speaker 2: he's getting paid. He's getting Yeah, he's getting paid.
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones will have to decide does he want to
Speaker 4: be the highest bid or does he want to lose
Speaker 4: that because I think as long as Jerry comes, Jerry's
Speaker 4: just gonna have to meet the number.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 4: I think Dak Prescott is a quarter the quarterback of
Speaker 4: the Das Cowboys.
Speaker 6: In so with his thought precess is you know, if
Speaker 6: you're that put your shoes in, you know, Dak shoes,
Speaker 6: you're thinking, if don't come to X number, let's just
Speaker 6: say that number is sixty three. I'm gonna just wait
Speaker 6: this thing out until the highest better because you know
Speaker 6: you're gonna get the highs better, you know, once free
Speaker 6: agency hits.
Speaker 2: So unless they hit that number, I mean, it goes back.
Speaker 5: It goes back to the leverage that we already talked about.
Speaker 5: You know, you and especially if you use Kirk Cousins
Speaker 5: as the example, but you know, basically looking at it
Speaker 5: the way that you are new out and I've said
Speaker 5: this to you that like I feel like nothing short
Speaker 5: of an NFC Championship for appearance right now for Dak.
Speaker 5: I mean this is he gonna get paid, all right,
Speaker 5: that that part is gonna happen. But legacy and here
Speaker 5: you have an owner that's kind of echoing what the
Speaker 5: fan base is saying, Yeah, prove it, we want to
Speaker 5: see it. And that may not and they may not
Speaker 5: job well with people that's in the locker room, that's
Speaker 5: in the know. But at the same time, you have
Speaker 5: this bar that you've set for him and you continue
Speaker 5: to say he's not reaching it, And whether you believe
Speaker 5: in the regular season or or not in the playoffs,
Speaker 5: people look directly at that and say he can't live
Speaker 5: up to that moment. And that's the difference between the
Speaker 5: rest of those guys that we're talking about.
Speaker 4: But we say that, but that should have no ability
Speaker 4: in you signing the man to a check because some
Speaker 4: of this stuff. Now, granted Packer game he didn't play well,
Speaker 4: but that first Packer game in his first playoff run
Speaker 4: against Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy, dude balled out when
Speaker 4: his fault they couldn't defense, couldn't stop for the third twenty.
Speaker 2: I was on.
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Speaker 2: Who wasn't.
Speaker 4: I don't know it was Jeff.
Speaker 2: Jeff? Who was it? That me Ill?
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Speaker 4: What happened in that Packer game with the en is
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers made sure the ending is always the same
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Whenever he played them.
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Speaker 4: When Rodgers played the Cowboys, everybody died and every time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I never never saw anybody live in every disappointment all
Speaker 4: the time between Aaron Rodgers, the Cowboys and the Bears.
Speaker 2: Pretty much.
Speaker 4: He got got their numbers. So with the Jets, that's
Speaker 4: so much. But we'll see exactly what he does this year.
Speaker 4: Hopefully lasts longer than the series because last year like that,
Speaker 4: all that build up had a series got hurt and
Speaker 4: it was like Bam season w then Game two Cowboys
Speaker 4: to it. So this run game, man, it was a
Speaker 4: great piece by Rick Gods on the Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: Rider about running backs after age twenty eight.
Speaker 2: It was bad, ain't very good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got some factual, some factual knowledge and statistics
Speaker 5: document about twenty eight year old running backs in the NFL.
Speaker 5: Another way to downgrade the position. The picture of Elliott
Speaker 5: was right there.
Speaker 4: I the poster child for so he's just basically going
Speaker 4: down to twenty eight. He just basically said, you know,
Speaker 4: don't expect anythings like it's not gonna happen. The names
Speaker 4: and everything else he listed with about the Jim Browns
Speaker 4: of the world. Jim left and ended up leaving the
Speaker 4: game with EMMITTT. Smith, you know outside of an Adrian Peterson.
Speaker 2: Which is a one way Yeah, you know it is sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I mean Emmitt had eleven thousand yards seasons.
Speaker 5: Am I mistaken and he included Emmitt in and House
Speaker 5: so saying that.
Speaker 4: Looking at the numbers after twenty eight trying to see
Speaker 4: where where you were going to and so, and one
Speaker 4: of the premises looking at Ezekiel Ell it is to
Speaker 4: say twenty sixteen z can't coming through that door. You don't.
Speaker 4: Don't look for that player and any running back and
Speaker 4: so Dalvin Cooked the same thing. Just don't look for
Speaker 4: these guys that were the Pro Bowl players that you know,
Speaker 4: became household names at the position. Not going to happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And to me it's a little concerning when you
Speaker 6: look at this running back room.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not expecting, like you said, twenty sixteen
Speaker 6: Zeke or you know, twenty eighteen Cook or whenever he
Speaker 6: was with the Vikings. I'm not expecting those guys to
Speaker 6: do much. But to me, what makes it concerning is
Speaker 6: if we look at it, if you don't have a
Speaker 6: balance attack offensively, and you're the Cowboys, I mean, we've
Speaker 6: seen what happens when you know, Prescott got to throw
Speaker 6: the ball forty thirty five forty plus times. You know,
Speaker 6: the record is just not you know, as good as
Speaker 6: it is when they have that balance attack and when
Speaker 6: I look at the backfield, Yes, you got some guys
Speaker 6: that can protect the quarterback, that can pick up some glizzes.
Speaker 6: But you know, do you have a guy that's dynamic
Speaker 6: out of the backfield. You got a guy that you
Speaker 6: can throw a screen too, and maybe he can take it,
Speaker 6: you know, fifty forty yards, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 6: To me, when I look back there, I mean, you
Speaker 6: got some guys that are great in short yarded situation,
Speaker 6: can punch the ball into the goal line, which they
Speaker 6: did struggle with last year. But they can punch the
Speaker 6: ball into the goal line or maybe pick you up
Speaker 6: a third and two, third and three, but more than
Speaker 6: likely it's gonna be three yards in.
Speaker 2: A cloud of dust.
Speaker 6: And if that keeps the defense honest and cool, I'm
Speaker 6: okay with it. But I just don't see teams after
Speaker 6: the first couple of weeks saying, man, we got to
Speaker 6: respect this run. We got to have an extra guy
Speaker 6: in the box to make sure that Zeke doesn't pop
Speaker 6: a big one or Cooker, you know, daw will pops
Speaker 6: a big one. I think a lot of defenses are
Speaker 6: going to play the Cowboys, you know, top to bottom,
Speaker 6: they're gonna have a lot of guys in the secondary
Speaker 6: fogging up those windows because they feel like they can
Speaker 6: stop the run with those light boxes. Now it's up
Speaker 6: to Zeke and those boys didn't prove prove the defense
Speaker 6: is wrong. But to me, it's slightly concerning because when
Speaker 6: you look at the numbers, I mean, thirty five plus
Speaker 6: passing attempts for Prescott.
Speaker 2: It's just it's not that good.
Speaker 5: And that's I think wise, yeah, record, that's what you
Speaker 5: what you just pointed out, I think is where my
Speaker 5: concern is is in the type of how do you
Speaker 5: scheme it up to stop the run and how do
Speaker 5: you scheme it up to stop the pass? You know
Speaker 5: what Ceedee Lamb is gonna do, and I guess we'll
Speaker 5: talk about it this week. You know what what can
Speaker 5: be his ceiling? Ceedee Lamb's ceiling this this year. And
Speaker 5: if you just go back to last year, the Dallas
Speaker 5: Cowboys did were not effective in their running game, but
Speaker 5: yet they led the league in points.
Speaker 2: And so it's conflict.
Speaker 5: Like the conflict in that argument is you've shown you
Speaker 5: have time, roof and consistency that look, we can still
Speaker 5: get it done offensively without this running game that you
Speaker 5: think will only consist in three years in cloud of dust,
Speaker 5: because that's what Tony Pollard averaged last season as a
Speaker 5: running back. So look, fifty nine yards a game will
Speaker 5: give you a thousand yards as a rusher, right, And
Speaker 5: so our expectation of this running back room is a
Speaker 5: running back pot committee. We're gonna get a different piece
Speaker 5: from each one of those dudes. And that's why we
Speaker 5: talked about Dalvin Cook at length when we signed him.
Speaker 5: What can he add to this that Rico Dado can't
Speaker 5: add to this and Ezekiel Elliott can add. I mean,
Speaker 5: you go red zone, you go protection, you go breaking
Speaker 5: off those zone runs, and the whole thing is about
Speaker 5: making those defenses sit at bay because, as you know,
Speaker 5: as a safety, if we can toy with you bring
Speaker 5: guys to the line of scrimmage and then bel out
Speaker 5: at the last minute trying to fog up those windows
Speaker 5: as you're talking about, I can make life difficult for
Speaker 5: you all day long. But that's what they did all year,
Speaker 5: all season last year, you know, And so Dak was
Speaker 5: still had that success. And I think that in Mike
Speaker 5: McCarthy's second season as an offen as a coordinator, calling
Speaker 5: as a play caller, you'll see a lot more of that,
Speaker 5: and then I still think you'll be able to mix
Speaker 5: it in even with some of those runs from your
Speaker 5: wide receiver also, So that's what I'm looking That's what
Speaker 5: I'm looking for. They're going to have to be very
Speaker 5: creative in the run this season.
Speaker 2: So when you talk.
Speaker 4: About the points and how many they scored a lot
Speaker 4: of points, but then we also know, yeah, you ran
Speaker 4: up on the Giants, but what do you do against
Speaker 4: the Bills and what kind of points were you putting
Speaker 4: up against the night That was kind of the thing
Speaker 4: las year when people talked about the Cowboys say, hey, look,
Speaker 4: you know they're getting fat against bad teams, run up
Speaker 4: on the Jets, but what are you doing against the
Speaker 4: good teams? That's kind of been that mo for the
Speaker 4: cow was really the last two years of just what
Speaker 4: they've been able to do. Here's a little bit for
Speaker 4: Rick goslin Broke. He says, there are talking about running
Speaker 4: backs at the age of twenty eight going downhill. He
Speaker 4: says there are exceptions, of course, Essentially the Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame quality runners like John Reagan's and John Henry Johnson
Speaker 4: managed one thousand yard rushing seasons at the age of
Speaker 4: thirty five, Franco Harrison Adrian Peterson rush for their final
Speaker 4: one thousand yard seasons at thirty three, Sam Smith and
Speaker 4: Walter Payton gained their final one thousand yards at thirty two.
Speaker 4: Tony dor Set Curtis Martin posted their final one thousand
Speaker 4: yard seasons at thirty one, and Barry Sanders and Thurman
Speaker 4: Thomas did it for the final time at thirty. Hall
Speaker 4: of famers Jim Brown, O. J. Simpson, Eric Dickerson, Jim Taylor,
Speaker 4: Ladanion Thomas and Egrin James, Floyd Little and Jerome Bettis
Speaker 4: all rushed for one thousand yards at the age of
Speaker 4: twenty nine and never again. And the same thing with
Speaker 4: pass rushing champions Jamal Lewis and Lashaw McCoy did it
Speaker 4: at twenty nine and never did it again. Hall of
Speaker 4: Famer Earl Campbell Marshall Fault rushed for one thousand yards
Speaker 4: at the age of twenty eight, as did their past
Speaker 4: NFL rushing champion George Rogers, Shawn Alexander, Chris Johnson, DeMarco
Speaker 4: Murray none ever hit one thousand yards again. The same
Speaker 4: with Marshawn Lynch twenty eight and never again.
Speaker 5: Never say nothing, No, I got you. Yeah, those are
Speaker 5: a bunch of great names. First of all, I mean,
Speaker 5: look at who you're talking about. You're not talking about
Speaker 5: just running the mill running backs. You're talking about guys
Speaker 5: who did it at a high level in this game,
Speaker 5: and everybody respect when you bring up their name, and
Speaker 5: so look it's I don't, I don't. My expectation for
Speaker 5: Ezekiel Elliott is not a thousand yards this season. I
Speaker 5: think my expectation comes down to three guys being able
Speaker 5: to pull all the way. And then there may be
Speaker 5: matchups where you say, I can exploit this matchup with
Speaker 5: this running back because of this running style, and that's
Speaker 5: because you have three of them.
Speaker 4: Now, is that gonna be advantageous in the future, I
Speaker 4: don't think.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to finally find a guy that's gonna
Speaker 5: be your bell cal running back.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be by committee. This season.
Speaker 5: We keep saying it, I mean, and they keep proving
Speaker 5: that that's what they're gonna come out with.
Speaker 6: And my only thing is, you know, when you look
Speaker 6: at these running backs, they're all extremely similar. I mean,
Speaker 6: you have three different backs, but do you have a
Speaker 6: guy that's dynamic outside of you know, in between the tackles,
Speaker 6: like Dalvin cookies it in between the tackles, Zeke, in
Speaker 6: between the tackle?
Speaker 2: What would you what would you call dat?
Speaker 5: But you know what you said that before and not
Speaker 5: in the I didn't disagree with the first time you
Speaker 5: say it. But I just don't see Zeke and Dalvin
Speaker 5: as the same guy. I think Dalvin has a little
Speaker 5: bit more speed on the edge then I would see Zeke.
Speaker 2: You know, I separate them, but tough inside runner.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think I agree, but I see two
Speaker 5: different guys when I think of Dalvin Cook and Ezekiel Elliott.
Speaker 2: You know, who would you say.
Speaker 4: Has more more yards against the Browns, more total yards
Speaker 4: against the Browns?
Speaker 5: Dalvin Cook or without knowing that I'm gonna take Zeke. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I haven't got a got.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure Cook is gonna play much that I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go Zeke, though.
Speaker 2: Who is it? Give me cook?
Speaker 4: Hmhmm, give me some cook.
Speaker 2: He's cooking, be active, that's it. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he's If he is, you feel like, okay, look cook man,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this guy, this guy handsome, I let's
Speaker 2: go ye, It's all good. I mean, I just you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's one where time proofing consistency. He knows the offense
Speaker 4: might trust himself right out of the gate. You know
Speaker 4: you go with I would say you would go with
Speaker 4: somebody that you trust and know, and then Dalvin's got
Speaker 4: to go ahead and start to prove himself a little
Speaker 4: bit here.
Speaker 5: You're missed, dude, what is gonna don't.
Speaker 4: Don't don't sleep on sleep on My God. I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: I'm holding I'm holding it back. I want expectations from
Speaker 4: you from Hunter Lipkey.
Speaker 2: Well want game one?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What you got Yeah, buggie shuffle. We're gonna be out there.
Speaker 2: You number one on the fan club the president.
Speaker 4: Look simply say this. Don't be surprised that the man
Speaker 4: make the probo.
Speaker 2: Ducked. So whether it's Game one work works, just be
Speaker 2: clucking yes this man. Don't let Kyle get hurt. We
Speaker 2: got well. I'm telling you new Strug the ill Illes.
Speaker 4: I remember being laughed at on this podcast several times
Speaker 4: over things.
Speaker 2: This is different.
Speaker 5: This is different, this, this is different different, This is differently,
Speaker 5: this is different.
Speaker 2: Week one we got it. Week one OL Boogie.
Speaker 4: Week one OL Boogie gives some time, a little bit
Speaker 4: all but he's gonna play. He's gonna play.
Speaker 2: He's gonna play. That's what That's what we got.
Speaker 4: Right I mean, right now, right now, I'm scared for
Speaker 4: all these running backs with a left tackle that's making
Speaker 4: a start against Miles Garrett and a rookie center Jim Schwartz.
Speaker 4: I'm worried about this team right now. Tell you, right now,
Speaker 4: I am worried for it. Yes, heck, I am worried
Speaker 4: for this Cowboys team. I don't know what to expect
Speaker 4: from the offensive line from up both lines, D line. Okay,
Speaker 4: let's take a break getting this run defense. I'm not
Speaker 4: feeling good about this. I'm not feeling good, and I
Speaker 4: know Nick Chubb's down here. You got your boil inval
Speaker 4: Joseph you were talking about. Come on, you got the chef,
Speaker 4: the carpenter and his tools.
Speaker 2: Too old.
Speaker 5: I can't wait till we picked. I already know BC's
Speaker 5: but not an eight. Yeah, I know you have.
Speaker 4: I'm out there already, Morning News, put my stuff out
Speaker 4: there already. So let's take our break. Let's get back
Speaker 4: in this run defense. Since you let's see what you
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Speaker 4: That was too much of a pregnant fall. So let
Speaker 4: me know right now on the record that I am
Speaker 4: not only believing in Hunter Lipkey. Yes, this man.
Speaker 2: Might make the Pro Bowl. No, no, no, Kyle checking
Speaker 2: is hurt.
Speaker 5: Were talking about some bites now, man, Okay, if believe it,
Speaker 5: I believe, Throw your sleeves up so I can see
Speaker 5: how much hoping you've been on.
Speaker 4: Mike ain't going down without his full back like John
Speaker 4: Coop may MAKEE John come the same thing.
Speaker 13: Man.
Speaker 2: Let's just say, get his opportunities. Get his opportunity gonna
Speaker 2: be up in there he might make it. You was.
Speaker 2: I still believe. I believe. I believe.
Speaker 4: I believe, like I believed that Joe Burrow was better
Speaker 4: than Justin Herbert, and I was right.
Speaker 2: But you us back behind you on that one. You
Speaker 2: fought me in Burrow way to the super Bowl. So
Speaker 2: I a pro bowler or that I told you? Answer
Speaker 2: the question how many week one won't give us the week?
Speaker 2: This is you? This is your cod defended, right, Chris.
Speaker 2: How many Pro Bowl fullbacks do they take?
Speaker 11: One?
Speaker 2: Or two? One? One? Okay? If it's just one, it
Speaker 2: will be Kyle Houston. He ain't going right now, go ahead.
Speaker 2: The super Bowls, in the super Bowls, in the super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and it's not if caylus check is in the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Don't know. It don't work like that. It don't work
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 4: Because because we know this reputation thing works for people.
Speaker 4: You know, like it's gonna be hard to replace that mark.
Speaker 4: You know this, You know that the thing you're hard
Speaker 4: up in here you could be deserving, but the reputations
Speaker 4: get there. So so I do have that as a
Speaker 4: legitimate thing. But I'm just telling you, man, Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 4: another Pro Bowl, I feelix you too, just telling you that,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 8: Not all teams have a fullback on the rosters exactly.
Speaker 5: I'm just like, he's playing, thank you, Chris, You Chris
Speaker 5: playing the numbers.
Speaker 2: He knows what, Chris.
Speaker 5: There's only one other fullback in the now limited compass.
Speaker 2: That's who he's competing off. Listen. He's not walking out
Speaker 2: on the limb on this one at all. That's what said.
Speaker 4: If Cayle is hurt, he's your man's straight in. The
Speaker 4: other guy that do it. This is the guy you
Speaker 4: go with carries on the year.
Speaker 5: Look at the end of the day, at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, if L Buggie has success, what does
Speaker 5: that mean? That means team success. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: with that, all right. But I just I'm not going
Speaker 5: with what no no, no, no, no no whoa whoa, whoa No,
Speaker 5: that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying, I'm good,
Speaker 5: I'm off, I'm off. I'll be back on on Sunday. Yeah, Tack, Yes,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna do it. It's not gonna happen. Come
Speaker 5: this way, I got I got my other fixes over here. Man,
Speaker 5: let's get into him up the middle.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, so the twenty hold a lucky running
Speaker 4: past the safety.
Speaker 2: All this laughing and snickering. Okay, thirty eight p m. Laughter,
Speaker 2: let's go. Let's go take carries this game? What baby?
Speaker 4: Okay be signed by Look.
Speaker 2: Okay, brash Honda left me. Oh my god, turn on five,
Speaker 2: he said, They laughing. I've never seen speed tear the
Speaker 2: ankles up. Man. Man, now they happening. Man, it's all good.
Speaker 2: He lift you okay, man, good, that's somebody that run defense.
Speaker 2: You sold, Joseph, Yeah, I think you gotte.
Speaker 5: You have to get an answer for Mozzie Smith immediately
Speaker 5: as far as a rotational piece, and I think Linvell
Speaker 5: lin Valt Joseph is going to fall into that nicely.
Speaker 5: At least I hope he does. At least I hope
Speaker 5: you at least look, no need Look, this is what
Speaker 5: I need. This is what I need from Joseph. I
Speaker 5: only need him to be a two gap. Plug him up. Okay,
Speaker 5: let my man Eric Kendricks run sideline. The sideline. The
Speaker 5: way that this defense works is when your linebackers can
Speaker 5: get down here.
Speaker 2: That's it. Okay.
Speaker 5: And if Mozzie Smith cannot hold that for four quarters,
Speaker 5: at least now you have a piece in and that's
Speaker 5: why you bring in the other guy, Phillips. Also, Phillips
Speaker 5: is known one but also better known as a three.
Speaker 5: But you got really now three legitimate one techniques that
Speaker 5: you can rotate in and out. You gotta stop the run,
Speaker 5: you know, first of all, Cleveland's first game, you're gonna
Speaker 5: have to stop the run. No matter who Stefanski has
Speaker 5: back that he's gonna give you a healthy dose of
Speaker 5: that running back.
Speaker 4: So how many players do you think lyn Bell Joseph's
Speaker 4: gonna give me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with legit.
Speaker 5: I think he could give you at least ten, and
Speaker 5: that's gonna be enough to.
Speaker 2: Run the ball.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I against the team's gonna run and throw
Speaker 5: the ball. I'm telling you ten.
Speaker 4: They running thirty times, at least thirty.
Speaker 5: So, like I said, I put Phillips in there as well.
Speaker 5: I put Zsi Smith in there as well. I'm not
Speaker 5: asking for this guy to go out there and play
Speaker 5: twenty snaps.
Speaker 2: Would you asked Linval Joseph to give you.
Speaker 6: That's what I'm worried, because if Limbal could give you
Speaker 6: at least fifteen.
Speaker 2: You might have a slight chance. But I just don't
Speaker 2: see limval giving you.
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe maybe he gives you eight snaps, but four
Speaker 6: team the ball team that's gonna run the ball at
Speaker 6: least thirty something. Even if this was midway through the
Speaker 6: season and he was ramped up and ready to go,
Speaker 6: all right, maybe, but to start the season off, you know,
Speaker 6: age thirty six, you know ten, ten fifty.
Speaker 5: Man, I really thought that was being conservative and that
Speaker 5: was that was gonna go overwhelm.
Speaker 2: I really did.
Speaker 5: I really I misjudged that one because I had that
Speaker 5: I thought that was pretty good to.
Speaker 2: Say that he would be training camp, like, yeah.
Speaker 4: He gonna come into Where did they put the oxygen outside?
Speaker 2: Oh it's right behind it, right the tank, right behind
Speaker 2: the bench. Yeah, reach around. Not sure. I do livall
Speaker 2: like that, man, Do not don't do him like that. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, has he had a training camp? Was
Speaker 2: he He was not? Because he wasn't with Dallas danking that's.
Speaker 13: Ball.
Speaker 2: I got oxygen tap is helping.
Speaker 5: If no, no in there, Hey, don't don't get him
Speaker 5: in there. No quick offense does nothing bring him my
Speaker 5: call of time. I get him off the field. Come on,
Speaker 5: ten snaps, ten I got ten, I got ten for
Speaker 5: the big fella, because hey, Mozzi man, nobody, nobody has a.
Speaker 2: Hotter seat than Mozzi Smith.
Speaker 5: Right, nobody has a hotter seat than Mozzi Smith.
Speaker 2: And he has to show you.
Speaker 5: And so he's going to give you a full simple size.
Speaker 5: I love to get a full sample size for you
Speaker 5: to be able to make a judgment on whether he
Speaker 5: could do this job or not. And so I'm not
Speaker 5: asking for the linval Joseph to be a major piece
Speaker 5: in this defense.
Speaker 2: The piece it got to be Kendricks. You mentioned it.
Speaker 2: He's got to be that guy. And the only thing
Speaker 2: that I worry about with Kendrick can he do that
Speaker 2: for you know, eight games?
Speaker 6: Sure, he could be one of the best linebackers in
Speaker 6: the National Football League for eight games, But as we've
Speaker 6: seen these past couple of years, does he have a
Speaker 6: durability to go seventeen?
Speaker 2: And we all understand the season is a long season.
Speaker 13: Not a tall guy either, never has been in locker room. Yeah,
Speaker 13: but if he's out there, you know Clark.
Speaker 4: Is Yeah, So tennaps, ten snaps for Joseph.
Speaker 5: What you got, Phillips, that man, you're asking the mighty lie.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go ten for him too.
Speaker 2: That's that's twenty twenty twenty aging snaps.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's twenty right there. Mozzie gotta give me twenty.
Speaker 5: Mozzie gotta come on now, y'all. Listen, y'all, he's your
Speaker 5: first round drift pick. What are you gonna throw them away?
Speaker 2: You can't do?
Speaker 5: Come on now, at least you gotta show you at
Speaker 5: least a flash or something. We've been we've been talking
Speaker 5: about this rotation since the beginning, and we knew that
Speaker 5: we had to just comb other rosters to find somebody
Speaker 5: to come in here and back this guy up. We
Speaker 5: didn't feel like we had it on this roster previous.
Speaker 5: So you get lin Val Joseph in here, and my
Speaker 5: question is what kind of what kind of impact can
Speaker 5: lin Val Joseph have on Mazzie Smith if nothing else?
Speaker 5: If nothing else, because we got we gotta have a
Speaker 5: run stuffer, otherwise we just running back what we did
Speaker 5: last season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, better hope the turnovers are coming. Oh that's cosmetic.
Speaker 5: All that's cosmetic, because if you're not getting turnovers and
Speaker 5: you're not getting sacks, then what you're just the average defense? Right,
Speaker 5: And so we can't we can't. We can't have that part.
Speaker 5: What we have to do is stop the run. That's
Speaker 5: why you brought in Mike Zimmer as a defensive coordinator
Speaker 5: to stop the run, because that's his in moom.
Speaker 4: Ain't a magician. Got needs some help. Right now, we'll
Speaker 4: see what the reinforcements do. So we'll continue this as
Speaker 4: we go forward. This week Cowboys Browns Game one in Cleveland,
Speaker 4: Ohioick I forgot cool, I forgot about and they got
Speaker 4: the guy from.
Speaker 5: Denver, right, Jerry, Jerry Judy. They got Jerry Judy. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they got some there they got in Alabama.
Speaker 2: No, it was over the.
Speaker 5: Cook and Joe cool. Squad got a squad defense.
Speaker 4: To all that, you're still picking the Cowboys? Come fright, man,
Speaker 4: come on, be interesting.
Speaker 2: Come on, who you picking? Who you picking? That's I
Speaker 2: want to know. You're pretty honest. Now you're picking the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: You pick it.
Speaker 5: I can see it on you now, a loud of yourself.
Speaker 5: You already put you well, you didn't put your picks
Speaker 5: out there like that.
Speaker 2: You just put.
Speaker 5: Overall I gotta do. Oh you could play a rec
Speaker 5: that's the thing. Are we going to go game? But
Speaker 5: when we pick, are we gonna do like we did
Speaker 5: last year. Game the pick, Yeah, the pin gotta be in.
Speaker 2: With Chris Beane. You had Chris Bean last year. Put
Speaker 2: that on me. Chris Bean was here.
Speaker 5: Last But I'm saying we're gonna do the same thing
Speaker 5: that we did last year. We went through the season
Speaker 5: and we picked every game. So then you can't whatever
Speaker 5: you want to have that record. I'm just saying, I
Speaker 5: don't want you to be able to fudge on that.
Speaker 5: I don't want you to be whatever makes you feel okay,
Speaker 5: I mean, I go either way.
Speaker 2: You said we go for it.
Speaker 4: You got seventeen sixteen sixteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna have a good season, y'all. We're gonna
Speaker 5: have look at what this is. My man, my man,
Speaker 5: let's come there there, y'all.
Speaker 2: Out of this tomorrow. Missy's affordable.
Speaker 4: It's tomorrow to be at a simple time right here
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