WEBVTT - Ep. 032 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.760 This is the me Eat podcast coming in you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:17.680 severely bitten and in my case, underwear listening don't Eat podcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:30.280 You can't predict anything, damn everyone. First thing I want 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:35.640 to talk about, um, how annoying it is? Like I 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.920 don't understand people who don't wanna who guys would like 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:40.879 to hunt, who act like they don't want to hunt turkeys? 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:52.080 You heard so much? You have that any razor? Oh? Yeah, 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:53.320 I just don't get it. I just don't get it. 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:55.720 I hear that from so many people, But that doesn't 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.480 county my house. Do you have answer? Spring thunder Dude, 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:03.840 it's just it's minneo Coutton. Just locate them. What it's like? 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.560 I understand, Like, what's not like big old damn bird 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:11.240 coming through the woods? Is head changing colors? Right? I 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.560 mean you know why because I think when most people 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:17.920 think hunting turkey, they're not thinking hunting wild turkey. They're thinking, like, 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:22.840 I'm hunting butter ball and cartoon turkey, and who whatever 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.280 the turkey is that's in their head or the turkey 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:27.160 that like is in there. They go to their mother 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.880 in law's house, you know, in some suburban New Jersey 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.399 and there's a turkey in the yard, and they think 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.480 that's what turkeys are. Like, it's hard to give the 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.160 turkey respect until you've been schooled by the turkey a 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.040 few times. Multiple dog is sick of hearing about that 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:44.959 from people. Man, it's like the I mean, it's the 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:46.960 most one of the most hunted critters on the planet. 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:49.960 Not on the planet's one of the most hunted critters 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.840 in the country. If you look at man hours, the 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:57.640 most shot animal in the country is morning doves. Numbers 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:02.040 man hours, I because I think man hours is dear 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.560 pure numbers as doves. Man hours is dear. I like 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.440 turkeys up there, though the squirrels gotta rank high to you. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.160 The other thing I think about doves, did you go 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:14.600 out and you know, like we went dove hunting this year. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.720 A couple of hours into you've got sixty doves laying 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.400 there with a bunch of guys, you know, so, he ha, 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:24.600 it's the most harvested critter we're here with. Uh, how 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.240 do you like to describe yourself? Jason call maker? Call 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:34.839 maker Jason Phelps. Phelps Quality Game calls this guy. What's 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.560 interesting about this guy's he actually is out in his 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:44.239 grige he makes the calls, I mean from scratch out 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.359 in his garage, right, yeah, literally, I mean we besides 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.040 the laminate coming to me pre pressed, you know, basically, 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:51.480 I get a big sheet of plywood and that's what 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.040 I start with on the wood calls. And you know, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.720 the the diaphragm started as a piece of UH scrap latex, 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.920 a piece of tape and an aluminum frame, you know, 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.520 And and every thing's hand built. So far, I've been 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.840 able to keep up with the man. But everything's hand built, 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:06.839 I mean yeah, and you're a real painting. He asked 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.040 about getting American made stuff pretty much, I mean very 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.440 very The green bands on some of these calls are 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.760 made in like Indonesia, but that's about his You know, 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.600 I've really tried, you know, the whole bleed, red, white 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:20.600 and blue thing, pretty proud American. I've I've really tried 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.600 to source all my plastic, you know, in in the 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.440 US and and work with companies that, um you were 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:29.400 able to source everything in the US. So why did 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:33.359 you ever get interested in UH and making game calls? Okay, 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.040 here's I'll keep the story short. But we were there 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.480 was a small local UH sporting goods show Um, they're 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:44.200 in my hometown a real small explain where that is Minlow, Menlo, Washington. 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:46.920 I think it was the Pacific County Outdoor Show. Yeah, 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.880 we're recording right now in Seattle, Washington, so in my 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:54.440 brand's peakty New Garage and Jayson he's too. You're from 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.920 two hours south Sea. Yeah, down Peel, Washington is actually 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.080 where I live, but just outside of sin trash of 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.480 this area. And you come from a long line of loggers. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.640 everybody in my family it is there. It's still it's 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:10.840 it's still going good down there. And really I was 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.160 joking because I thought I was like, it's still I 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.960 mean they you know, they worked for where I was, 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.560 which was one of the last they're doing pulp and 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:19.600 stuff though, right yeah, export where I was, there was 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.000 a lot of export, but you know, get too deep 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.680 into it. You know, they're on you know, thirty five 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.719 to forty year cycles, so a lot of it, you know, isn't. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.279 They aren't getting the export and stuff anymore. But yeah, 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.480 there's you know a lot of them still make make 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.160 a living out there that you know, my hometown is 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:35.960 pretty much loaded with loggers, you know that work out 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.359 of the Warehouser, peel camp, got you, got you, but 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.600 then you like peeled off. Yeah. Yeah. My old man 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:44.240 he's like, I don't know if it's because he was 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:45.920 afraid I wasn't gonna cut it and so I was 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:47.560 gonna hurt his pride or what. But he's like, yeah, 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.320 you need to go off and go to school. And 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.400 so I ended up pretty good. It's pretty good at maths. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.760 So you know, naturally went the engineering round, got a 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.640 masters and masters and game calls. Yeah. Yeah, and then 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.200 you always had a passion growing up ever since my 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:06.080 first elk calling. It was you know, the the switch 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:11.440 was flipped, and uh, I've been hooked ever since. So yeah, 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.720 getting into it. You obviously started out like liking make 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:19.159 a game making animal noises. Yeah, you know. It started 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.160 off with the Primost thunder bugle or the terminator bugle 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.320 called my first bowl and I'm like, man, you know, 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:26.719 how can I incorporate this in, you know, to my 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:30.880 livelihood or to my passion and how the um did? 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:33.080 It started at seven years ago, so I was twenty five, 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.400 just just had my first first kid, and you know what, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.400 shortly after that, I started up UM the game calls, 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.200 no no, how old are you when you got it? So? 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.880 I mean, like how old when you blew your first 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.120 game call? Um I bought my first out call nine, 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.680 so I would have been sixteen. It was a It 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.560 was a night before our archery opener here in western Washington, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.839 and we were out just scouting for musloder and rifle, 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.200 and we actually pulled up to a landing and the 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.840 elk scattered. You know, seen us pull up. That's weird, 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.200 pulled to a landing like in a boat. Uh No, 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.719 a landing where they logged from. So you said, yeah, 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.360 So he pulled up on the landing and the elk scatter, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.560 and um, I didn't know what I was doing, get 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:11.839 out and rip a bagle and all of a sudden 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.040 you hear bagle down the timber where it ran from. 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.240 And you know, before probably ten minutes, we had a 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.119 bowl thirty thirty yards in front of us, just going nuts, 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.600 you know, piston all over himself and uh man, this 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.600 is easy. Bow season starts tomorrow. No, none of us 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.960 have boat takes. We're all rifle or mosloader hunters. And 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.200 um I I didn't hunt archery that year. And then 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.760 so in my junior in high school. I I got 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.640 a bow out of the Cabella's catalog. I remember, like 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.840 a mail order bow. You know, don't go to your 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:42.080 local pro shop get fitted, none of that, just left 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.960 handed right. Yeah, but you know, have no clue on 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.240 draw length or any of that stuff because at that time, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.200 nobody around us a bow hunted. Um, So mail order 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.160 a bow right out of Cabella's. Just that long ago, 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:57.160 late nineties. There's nobody hunt, no, not in our area. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:01.320 It's it's taken a huge exponential you know, it's grown exponentially, 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.680 um since probably the two thousand's. But uh, at that time, 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.840 it was pretty much you had any elk you wanted 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:11.440 to yourself. Really, yeah, you could go out nobody. There 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.640 were very few. I mean a couple of local guys. 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.360 I knew that bow hunt had some old timers and 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:17.840 you know, growing up doing it their whole lives, but 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:21.600 there was nobody compared to what there is now out there. Yeah, 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.040 I don't know. Yeah, it was you know, everybody was 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:28.480 a muzzloader rifle hunter out there. Um went out the 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:32.080 next day, opening day of archery elk and it still 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.280 may be my biggest tree Roosevelt I've ever called in 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.520 a big six by seven forty yards. I'm like, all right, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.160 that's within twelve hours. Yeah, within twelve hours, I've called in, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.120 you know, two of the biggest Roosevelt I've ever seen 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:47.400 during rifle or moseloader season. And no, I still wasn't 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.920 bow hunt. Yeah, I was still just sneaking off. Oh 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.280 it was both season the night so you called the bull, 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:58.320 and both season without a bow close a ton of 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.960 shot opportunities. Yeah, but as you go get a dude 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:08.200 with the bowl, we try run ads. But the thing 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.480 you could, you could, you couldn't barely find anybody. Back then, 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.200 it was it would have been a tough chore to 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.760 find somebody with the bow. Tag Um, So you're kidding me, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.400 it was, And then of course it took off. But 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:20.720 then next year I bought a bow, and I think 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.200 I missed six bowls. I thought it was gonna be easy, 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.520 he said. I go out there and I didn't have 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:29.480 the whole nerves under control. Yeah, that's that's a cost. Yeah, 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.520 So six bowls, I think I flung arrows over and 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.880 then finally the seventh one I had somehow settle all 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.680 the nerves and made it count. We're talking about this 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:43.640 dr Night is like, uh, buddy, mine, let's talk about 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.840 how he's got so many friends that can shoot on 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.240 paper so much better and he can. He's like, they 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.599 just know more about the gear. They can shoot better me. 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.960 They can talk circles around me. They asked me questions 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.240 I don't know the answer to. But you put them 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.560 in front of elk, they can't hit it, yep, because 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:00.880 you put me in front of the elk, I just 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:06.600 hit it. But just it's psychological, man. Yeah, they're they're 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.680 guys that have ice fall into their veins, for sure. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.680 But you gotta beat that out of yourself too. I think, 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.000 you know, I think you just got like some people 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.520 have a certain number Mrs laid up and I mean yeah. 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.160 And then, of course, you know I didn't put a 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.360 whole lot of practice in, you know, being a converted 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.080 rifle hunters, like, ah, you pick your bow upside your 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.600 twenty through forty yard pinning and go out and you know, 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.040 I I quickly learned that you know, the dedication to 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.960 the archery trade, and you know that it required a 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.520 lot more than going insite and your rifling. You know, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.440 a week before season, it required you know, kind of 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.960 a year round commitment and so yeah, you know, dialed 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.440 all that in. But yeah, I would think of hunting 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.480 as a discipline, but like, but but it's not. You 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.719 don't even need to think about like archery has to 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:51.040 be a discipline, you know, anyone it's good at it 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.559 unless you just got like the ice, like you're saying, 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.000 not only not on you need ice fall into your veins, 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:03.280 but you need just like uh another uh used to 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.440 the word discipline, just like the kind of discipline to 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.960 know when and you have a shot when you don't 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:10.600 have a shot. So if you can do that, if 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:12.280 you can go out in the woods and be like, hey, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:17.200 I'll shoot thirty yards or I don't shoot, you know, 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.240 and guys that are able to stick to that and 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.600 let a bull walk it's thirty five forty yards away 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.000 because they drew in their line. Like that's my thing. Man, 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:25.760 You give me a bullet thirty yards, I'm gonna put 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.480 it right in the heart or I'm not gonna shoot. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.040 But you wind up shooting then later being like pace 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:33.920 it off. You have no idea where the thing was, 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.520 you know what I mean? This is hard. I don't 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.760 even miss it that I like to bow hunt a lot, 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:44.600 and I don't know. I try to give Yanni minute 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.439 about try to give Yanni a piece of archer equipment. 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:51.280 He told me he don't bow hunt anymore. I honestly 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.960 think it's easier than rifle hunting. Now, well, yeah, in 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.360 that you're not dealing with hordes of dudes. Yeah, or 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.720 just I mean just saying the same area. I could 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.640 hunt area a bow season and hunt rifle season, whatever 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.080 season they give me. I'd rather have a bugling bowl 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.280 and and take those odds versus a rifle and have 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:11.360 the extended range but not necessarily be able to know 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.240 where they're at or dial m in or um. You know. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.360 So I honestly think from a success standpoint, i'd rather 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.320 pick up a bow. Yeah. I think if God came 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.280 down and put a gun to my head and said, 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.240 you uh, you know, I gotta get it out this 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.199 year or I'm gonna pull the trigger, and I had 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:32.439 to pick I could do like rifle, especially in Montanics. 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.640 I did so much of my bowing in there, But 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:36.560 when I would do it, I'd be like, Okay, so 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:40.000 I got a six week archery archery season, you know, 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:44.320 and I can pretty much hunt by myself, I would 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.960 probably go that route, yea, knowing that just like just 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.160 the pressure aspect of it, because like moo and you 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.720 go find Elk and there's a reasonable assumption he's gonna 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.440 be there tomorrow if you leave him unmolested rifles season dude, Yeah, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.960 who's gonna run into him? Who knows? Man? So any 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.319 out you were out there, a little kid calling a 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:06.280 bowl calling a bowl. I was hooked a teenage and 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.240 then uh, you know, so do you have a do 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:09.720 you havent make? But do you have like a story 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.319 where you're like, yeah, my call failed me? And I 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.320 knew that I had to make my own. No, there 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.320 was a there was a time where the current call 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.640 company I was using, I uh, there were some quality 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.120 control issues and I was like, man, I gotta you 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.400 know my my call that was money everyone I'd buy 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:27.880 and all of a sudden, you know, went out of 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.240 four one out of five is good, and I'm like, 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.320 what the you know, what's going on? And uh, that 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.880 was that kind of led to it. But the real reason, 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.280 and it's kind of a strange reason to ever started business. 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.800 And I was at this that Sportsman show walking through 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:43.800 and there was an old man in the corner had 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.080 an old lathe and was actually turning calls with the show, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.560 and I just I was with it was my girlfriend 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.880 at the time wife now, and just kind of watching him. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:54.960 I was like, I can do that. You know, You're like, hey, baby, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:56.679 you think you think that guy is sexy because he's 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:59.680 turning He's turning calls over there, and uh, you know, 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.280 I like, you know, being a semi red net growing 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.000 up in a small town that I can work a lathe, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:05.880 you know, have wood shop in school, I can do 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.560 all that. And it was kind of so I was 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.400 able to kind of time my passion into you know 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:10.920 that kind of let the spark. This guy was sitting 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.000 there making calls and they didn't sound very good. I'm like, why, 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.440 you know, let's let's sit and play around and see 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.000 what we can do make one sound good and then 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.600 we'll kind of do a slow release. Um. You know, 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.880 I thought when I started making this, it all started 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:23.800 with the wood out call. That was the very first 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:25.520 call I made. And what do you call that one? 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:30.560 The easiestris easiest, Yeah, just you know, they I got 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.120 on a lot of the at the time, there was 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.560 three or four custom call forums, you know where the 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.640 custom call makers were on their uh you know, talking 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.079 about woods they were using and in styles and finishes, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.960 and so I was just you know, soaking it all 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:45.840 in as much as much as I can learn, you know, 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.840 what what would goes with what finish and you know 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.800 what what acoustic properties do you get out of certain densities? 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.040 And so I was soaking it all in. And uh, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.600 I actually traded my first muzzloader bullhorns for a lathe 0:13:57.840 --> 0:13:59.800 from a now their local call maker down there. I'm like, 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.040 I sent him three maple birls that my uncle had 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.960 cut as a as a timber faller, and I traded 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.000 a set of my horns because he he makes calls 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.680 out of the actual horn. So I traded. I'm like, man, 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.440 you know it's to me they're just sitting in the 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.240 garage collecting dust. But it had some sentimental value. But 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.040 I'm like, this is this is you know, just had 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.000 a kid, you know, like, this is my this is 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.720 my entry in. So he traded me a lathe um 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.200 for for that three girls. And and so how old 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.760 were you then? Yeah? Kids, a little bit young, not 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.600 young young by modern standards. Yeah, so yeah, I was 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.800 twenty five, had the kid was like three months old. 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.640 I think when I kind of started and got the 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.680 lathe and ordered all the all the tools and and 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.200 you know, all the Chucks and all the wood turning tools, 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:47.360 and like I said, I thought, I'm holding the call 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.400 right now. Check it out. No, I mean the band. 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.120 I make a style without the band, which is kind 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.360 of my standard. Um, you know, we we fancy him 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.680 up with the bands, but the call really hasn't changed 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.840 at all for the last six years. And you'd call 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.440 that just like a basic external read external read. It's 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.880 you know, it's tuned nasally a little bit extra cy 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.600 um you know, which, in my opinion in September is 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.320 kind of the sound I'm going after. Um we a 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.080 matter of fact, we talked a little bit before, you know, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.000 can we change that sound and that Yeah we can. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.640 If somebody prefers a deeper tone or whatever, we can, 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.280 I can custom cutter read and really dial that into 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:25.480 your preference. I've called elk in with that call. Yeah. Yeah. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.720 I met Jason through Jay Scott and then made a 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.080 few phone calls and was begged him for a few 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:37.040 free calls because I remember you have one of these. Yeah, 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:42.840 I don't know, it's it's gotta be five. So you 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.720 started turning him on a lathe, the barrel, the wooden barrel, 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:48.920 and you did a lot of extra of uh not 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.640 that I shouldn't say extra, like doesn't matter, but a 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:57.200 lot of like it's an ornate it's like an ornate call. Yeah, 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:02.280 I mean started, you know, got to finish, got the sound, 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.840 got the size and the shape. You know, some people 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.520 wanted it to you know, fit their hand right, some people. 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.080 And so I got the sound. To me, the sound 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.400 is always going to rule a call. So I worked 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.760 on the sound first and then made him look good second, 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.320 because I knew that was gonna, you know, what was 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:18.280 gonna sell them, and so I kind of dialed this 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.200 all in and uh in that first year instead of 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.560 selling tan, I think I sold two or three hundred, 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:27.240 you know on the local where honey Washington dot com. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.400 There's a form local you know, I know that for him, yeah, 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.960 Honey Washington dot com. And just started putting them. I 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.640 become a sponsor for dirt cheap prices, like they let 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.920 you know, level of entry was was dirt cheap, like 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.200 fifty bucks for a year. So I got on side 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.560 on as a sponsor and just calls just started rolling 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.880 off and then like you know, keep going back to 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.720 you know, small country kid. I don't know how websites work. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:50.440 I don't know how e commerce stores work. I don't 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.360 know any of this works. And all of a sudden, 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:53.960 like I'm hit in the face with the you know, 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.200 how are you gonna keep up? How are you gonna 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.200 you know, let people get on them buy him, you know, 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.360 And and so that was that's a whole different road. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.280 And I'm just a call maker at heart, and so 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.480 all this other stuff, like you know, business decisions and stuff. 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:09.040 Sometimes you're um, I did the best I could. Yeah, 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:11.960 rip a couple of notes on that thing. That's the 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:23.280 easy estress m. Yeah. Really it is really easy to use, 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.159 really easy to use. Um. I always joke with my 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:27.800 old man, he's the only guy in the face of 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:29.560 the planet. I haven't been able to teach to use 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.159 this thing. It looks like it looks painful. He gets us, 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.520 He gets his big you know, squint, squints his face 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.040 up like I might know if you're trying that hard, Like, 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.720 let's start over. But uh, I actually made him a 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:47.720 special bite and blower, you know, like the old school. Yeah, 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.439 he he uses that style. That's what I started when 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.280 I first started messing around. And that's what I would 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.800 have is just the bite blows because you can anybody 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.439 can make a noise. But see that's the thing is, 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.600 that's why I always sucked that game calls, because I 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.280 wouldn't work on it at all. So, you know, I 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.960 was brought up like I mainly I hold a lot 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.399 of friends, but I mean then I mainly with my 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:09.840 two brothers and the middle brother, I'm the youngest. The 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:14.920 middle brother was just like more of a tinkerer man, 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.320 like he was kind of gotta you know, just totally 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.399 dismantled electronics and ship and often leave him dismantled. But 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.840 he would like dismantle or and he got he made 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.760 a little kid to wrap his own rods, you know, 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:30.720 So he'd wrap his own rods and lacker them like 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:35.600 just all the painsteaking, meticulous hunting, fishing type stuff. And 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.400 he learned how to do game calls, not make them, 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.680 but just learn how to mess with them and mess 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:43.919 with them and tune them. And he was just always 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:49.919 like the family caller. And I it wasn't until I 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:54.000 just it wasn't a way later. Like it kind of 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.520 goes like this. When I was in college, regular school college, 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.000 you know, they make it take Spanish three years, right, 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.399 I never paid any attention. Man, I'd go in there 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.400 and I try to memorize the ship ahead of time 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.080 so I could get a grade. The minute I got 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:10.640 out of school, I went to Mexico for a month 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:12.359 to fish, just camp on the beach and fish. And 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:13.879 I'm like, I can't believe. I just wasn't paying any 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.120 attention the whole time they were trying to teach me Spanish. 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:19.080 Because now I'm saying, you're looking at these guide books 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:20.600 trying to figure out how to say basic ship that 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.560 I know I learned in school and didn't care because 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.919 it wasn't like real to me at the time, and 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.640 all those years and you had any responsibilities and anything 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:29.400 you're supposed to be doing. If I had just been 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:36.320 messing with calls, I missed ten years of practice. Yeah, no, 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.560 I it's like, what else are you do with like 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:43.480 a ten year old dude should be messing with game calls? Yeah? 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:45.400 You leave one laterund my house. The kids have got 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.840 it sloughed up, you know, they sound like a dying 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.480 rat or dying cat whatever, whatever they have noise they 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.560 can make. But yeah, the kids, the kids are just 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.200 my kids mouths all the time now just because you know, 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.160