1 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: This is the me Eat podcast coming in you shirtless, 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: severely bitten and in my case, underwear listening don't Eat podcast. 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: You can't predict anything, damn everyone. First thing I want 4 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: to talk about, um, how annoying it is? Like I 5 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: don't understand people who don't wanna who guys would like 6 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: to hunt, who act like they don't want to hunt turkeys? 7 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: You heard so much? You have that any razor? Oh? Yeah, 8 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: I just don't get it. I just don't get it. 9 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: I hear that from so many people, But that doesn't 10 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: county my house. Do you have answer? Spring thunder Dude, 11 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: it's just it's minneo Coutton. Just locate them. What it's like? 12 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: I understand, Like, what's not like big old damn bird 13 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: coming through the woods? Is head changing colors? Right? I 14 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: mean you know why because I think when most people 15 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: think hunting turkey, they're not thinking hunting wild turkey. They're thinking, like, 16 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm hunting butter ball and cartoon turkey, and who whatever 17 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: the turkey is that's in their head or the turkey 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: that like is in there. They go to their mother 19 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: in law's house, you know, in some suburban New Jersey 20 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: and there's a turkey in the yard, and they think 21 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: that's what turkeys are. Like, it's hard to give the 22 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: turkey respect until you've been schooled by the turkey a 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: few times. Multiple dog is sick of hearing about that 24 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: from people. Man, it's like the I mean, it's the 25 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: most one of the most hunted critters on the planet. 26 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: Not on the planet's one of the most hunted critters 27 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: in the country. If you look at man hours, the 28 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: most shot animal in the country is morning doves. Numbers 29 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: man hours, I because I think man hours is dear 30 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: pure numbers as doves. Man hours is dear. I like 31 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: turkeys up there, though the squirrels gotta rank high to you. 32 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: The other thing I think about doves, did you go 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: out and you know, like we went dove hunting this year. 34 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: A couple of hours into you've got sixty doves laying 35 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: there with a bunch of guys, you know, so, he ha, 36 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: it's the most harvested critter we're here with. Uh, how 37 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: do you like to describe yourself? Jason call maker? Call 38 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: maker Jason Phelps. Phelps Quality Game calls this guy. What's 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: interesting about this guy's he actually is out in his 40 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: grige he makes the calls, I mean from scratch out 41 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: in his garage, right, yeah, literally, I mean we besides 42 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: the laminate coming to me pre pressed, you know, basically, 43 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: I get a big sheet of plywood and that's what 44 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: I start with on the wood calls. And you know, 45 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: the the diaphragm started as a piece of UH scrap latex, 46 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: a piece of tape and an aluminum frame, you know, 47 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: And and every thing's hand built. So far, I've been 48 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: able to keep up with the man. But everything's hand built, 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,839 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and you're a real painting. He asked 50 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: about getting American made stuff pretty much, I mean very 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: very The green bands on some of these calls are 52 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: made in like Indonesia, but that's about his You know, 53 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: I've really tried, you know, the whole bleed, red, white 54 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: and blue thing, pretty proud American. I've I've really tried 55 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: to source all my plastic, you know, in in the 56 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: US and and work with companies that, um you were 57 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: able to source everything in the US. So why did 58 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: you ever get interested in UH and making game calls? Okay, 59 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: here's I'll keep the story short. But we were there 60 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: was a small local UH sporting goods show Um, they're 61 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: in my hometown a real small explain where that is Minlow, Menlo, Washington. 62 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: I think it was the Pacific County Outdoor Show. Yeah, 63 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: we're recording right now in Seattle, Washington, so in my 64 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: brand's peakty New Garage and Jayson he's too. You're from 65 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: two hours south Sea. Yeah, down Peel, Washington is actually 66 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: where I live, but just outside of sin trash of 67 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: this area. And you come from a long line of loggers. Yeah, yeah, 68 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: everybody in my family it is there. It's still it's 69 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: it's still going good down there. And really I was 70 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: joking because I thought I was like, it's still I 71 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: mean they you know, they worked for where I was, 72 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: which was one of the last they're doing pulp and 73 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: stuff though, right yeah, export where I was, there was 74 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: a lot of export, but you know, get too deep 75 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: into it. You know, they're on you know, thirty five 76 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: to forty year cycles, so a lot of it, you know, isn't. 77 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: They aren't getting the export and stuff anymore. But yeah, 78 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: there's you know a lot of them still make make 79 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: a living out there that you know, my hometown is 80 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: pretty much loaded with loggers, you know that work out 81 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: of the Warehouser, peel camp, got you, got you, but 82 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: then you like peeled off. Yeah. Yeah. My old man 83 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: he's like, I don't know if it's because he was 84 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: afraid I wasn't gonna cut it and so I was 85 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: gonna hurt his pride or what. But he's like, yeah, 86 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: you need to go off and go to school. And 87 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: so I ended up pretty good. It's pretty good at maths. 88 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: So you know, naturally went the engineering round, got a 89 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: masters and masters and game calls. Yeah. Yeah, and then 90 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: you always had a passion growing up ever since my 91 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: first elk calling. It was you know, the the switch 92 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: was flipped, and uh, I've been hooked ever since. So yeah, 93 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: getting into it. You obviously started out like liking make 94 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: a game making animal noises. Yeah, you know. It started 95 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: off with the Primost thunder bugle or the terminator bugle 96 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: called my first bowl and I'm like, man, you know, 97 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: how can I incorporate this in, you know, to my 98 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: livelihood or to my passion and how the um did? 99 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: It started at seven years ago, so I was twenty five, 100 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: just just had my first first kid, and you know what, 101 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: shortly after that, I started up UM the game calls, 102 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: no no, how old are you when you got it? So? 103 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like how old when you blew your first 104 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: game call? Um I bought my first out call nine, 105 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: so I would have been sixteen. It was a It 106 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: was a night before our archery opener here in western Washington, 107 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: and we were out just scouting for musloder and rifle, 108 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: and we actually pulled up to a landing and the 109 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: elk scattered. You know, seen us pull up. That's weird, 110 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: pulled to a landing like in a boat. Uh No, 111 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: a landing where they logged from. So you said, yeah, 112 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: So he pulled up on the landing and the elk scatter, 113 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: and um, I didn't know what I was doing, get 114 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: out and rip a bagle and all of a sudden 115 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: you hear bagle down the timber where it ran from. 116 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: And you know, before probably ten minutes, we had a 117 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,119 Speaker 1: bowl thirty thirty yards in front of us, just going nuts, 118 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, piston all over himself and uh man, this 119 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: is easy. Bow season starts tomorrow. No, none of us 120 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: have boat takes. We're all rifle or mosloader hunters. And 121 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: um I I didn't hunt archery that year. And then 122 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: so in my junior in high school. I I got 123 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: a bow out of the Cabella's catalog. I remember, like 124 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: a mail order bow. You know, don't go to your 125 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: local pro shop get fitted, none of that, just left 126 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: handed right. Yeah, but you know, have no clue on 127 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: draw length or any of that stuff because at that time, 128 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: nobody around us a bow hunted. Um, So mail order 129 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: a bow right out of Cabella's. Just that long ago, 130 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: late nineties. There's nobody hunt, no, not in our area. 131 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: It's it's taken a huge exponential you know, it's grown exponentially, 132 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: um since probably the two thousand's. But uh, at that time, 133 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: it was pretty much you had any elk you wanted 134 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: to yourself. Really, yeah, you could go out nobody. There 135 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: were very few. I mean a couple of local guys. 136 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 1: I knew that bow hunt had some old timers and 137 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, growing up doing it their whole lives, but 138 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: there was nobody compared to what there is now out there. Yeah, 139 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it was you know, everybody was 140 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: a muzzloader rifle hunter out there. Um went out the 141 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: next day, opening day of archery elk and it still 142 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: may be my biggest tree Roosevelt I've ever called in 143 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: a big six by seven forty yards. I'm like, all right, 144 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: that's within twelve hours. Yeah, within twelve hours, I've called in, 145 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, two of the biggest Roosevelt I've ever seen 146 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: during rifle or moseloader season. And no, I still wasn't 147 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: bow hunt. Yeah, I was still just sneaking off. Oh 148 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: it was both season the night so you called the bull, 149 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: and both season without a bow close a ton of 150 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: shot opportunities. Yeah, but as you go get a dude 151 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: with the bowl, we try run ads. But the thing 152 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: you could, you could, you couldn't barely find anybody. Back then, 153 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: it was it would have been a tough chore to 154 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: find somebody with the bow. Tag Um, So you're kidding me, 155 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: it was, And then of course it took off. But 156 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: then next year I bought a bow, and I think 157 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: I missed six bowls. I thought it was gonna be easy, 158 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: he said. I go out there and I didn't have 159 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: the whole nerves under control. Yeah, that's that's a cost. Yeah, 160 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: So six bowls, I think I flung arrows over and 161 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: then finally the seventh one I had somehow settle all 162 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: the nerves and made it count. We're talking about this 163 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: dr Night is like, uh, buddy, mine, let's talk about 164 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: how he's got so many friends that can shoot on 165 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: paper so much better and he can. He's like, they 166 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,599 Speaker 1: just know more about the gear. They can shoot better me. 167 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: They can talk circles around me. They asked me questions 168 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to. But you put them 169 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: in front of elk, they can't hit it, yep, because 170 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: you put me in front of the elk, I just 171 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: hit it. But just it's psychological, man. Yeah, they're they're 172 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: guys that have ice fall into their veins, for sure. 173 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: But you gotta beat that out of yourself too. I think, 174 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think you just got like some people 175 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: have a certain number Mrs laid up and I mean yeah. 176 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: And then, of course, you know I didn't put a 177 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: whole lot of practice in, you know, being a converted 178 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: rifle hunters, like, ah, you pick your bow upside your 179 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: twenty through forty yard pinning and go out and you know, 180 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: I I quickly learned that you know, the dedication to 181 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: the archery trade, and you know that it required a 182 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: lot more than going insite and your rifling. You know, 183 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: a week before season, it required you know, kind of 184 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: a year round commitment and so yeah, you know, dialed 185 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: all that in. But yeah, I would think of hunting 186 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: as a discipline, but like, but but it's not. You 187 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,719 Speaker 1: don't even need to think about like archery has to 188 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: be a discipline, you know, anyone it's good at it 189 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: unless you just got like the ice, like you're saying, 190 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: not only not on you need ice fall into your veins, 191 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: but you need just like uh another uh used to 192 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: the word discipline, just like the kind of discipline to 193 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: know when and you have a shot when you don't 194 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: have a shot. So if you can do that, if 195 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: you can go out in the woods and be like, hey, 196 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: I'll shoot thirty yards or I don't shoot, you know, 197 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: and guys that are able to stick to that and 198 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: let a bull walk it's thirty five forty yards away 199 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: because they drew in their line. Like that's my thing. Man, 200 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: You give me a bullet thirty yards, I'm gonna put 201 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: it right in the heart or I'm not gonna shoot. 202 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: But you wind up shooting then later being like pace 203 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: it off. You have no idea where the thing was, 204 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? This is hard. I don't 205 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: even miss it that I like to bow hunt a lot, 206 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know. I try to give Yanni minute 207 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: about try to give Yanni a piece of archer equipment. 208 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: He told me he don't bow hunt anymore. I honestly 209 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: think it's easier than rifle hunting. Now, well, yeah, in 210 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: that you're not dealing with hordes of dudes. Yeah, or 211 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: just I mean just saying the same area. I could 212 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: hunt area a bow season and hunt rifle season, whatever 213 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: season they give me. I'd rather have a bugling bowl 214 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: and and take those odds versus a rifle and have 215 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: the extended range but not necessarily be able to know 216 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: where they're at or dial m in or um. You know. 217 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: So I honestly think from a success standpoint, i'd rather 218 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: pick up a bow. Yeah. I think if God came 219 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: down and put a gun to my head and said, 220 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: you uh, you know, I gotta get it out this 221 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: year or I'm gonna pull the trigger, and I had 222 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: to pick I could do like rifle, especially in Montanics. 223 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: I did so much of my bowing in there, But 224 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: when I would do it, I'd be like, Okay, so 225 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: I got a six week archery archery season, you know, 226 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: and I can pretty much hunt by myself, I would 227 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: probably go that route, yea, knowing that just like just 228 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: the pressure aspect of it, because like moo and you 229 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: go find Elk and there's a reasonable assumption he's gonna 230 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: be there tomorrow if you leave him unmolested rifles season dude, Yeah, 231 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: who's gonna run into him? Who knows? Man? So any 232 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: out you were out there, a little kid calling a 233 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: bowl calling a bowl. I was hooked a teenage and 234 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: then uh, you know, so do you have a do 235 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: you havent make? But do you have like a story 236 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: where you're like, yeah, my call failed me? And I 237 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: knew that I had to make my own. No, there 238 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: was a there was a time where the current call 239 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: company I was using, I uh, there were some quality 240 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: control issues and I was like, man, I gotta you 241 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: know my my call that was money everyone I'd buy 242 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you know, went out of 243 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: four one out of five is good, and I'm like, 244 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: what the you know, what's going on? And uh, that 245 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: was that kind of led to it. But the real reason, 246 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: and it's kind of a strange reason to ever started business. 247 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: And I was at this that Sportsman show walking through 248 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: and there was an old man in the corner had 249 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: an old lathe and was actually turning calls with the show, 250 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: and I just I was with it was my girlfriend 251 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: at the time wife now, and just kind of watching him. 252 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: I was like, I can do that. You know, You're like, hey, baby, yeah, yeah, yeah, 253 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: you think you think that guy is sexy because he's 254 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: turning He's turning calls over there, and uh, you know, 255 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: I like, you know, being a semi red net growing 256 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: up in a small town that I can work a lathe, 257 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, have wood shop in school, I can do 258 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: all that. And it was kind of so I was 259 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: able to kind of time my passion into you know 260 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: that kind of let the spark. This guy was sitting 261 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: there making calls and they didn't sound very good. I'm like, why, 262 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, let's let's sit and play around and see 263 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: what we can do make one sound good and then 264 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: we'll kind of do a slow release. Um. You know, 265 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: I thought when I started making this, it all started 266 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: with the wood out call. That was the very first 267 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: call I made. And what do you call that one? 268 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: The easiestris easiest, Yeah, just you know, they I got 269 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: on a lot of the at the time, there was 270 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: three or four custom call forums, you know where the 271 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: custom call makers were on their uh you know, talking 272 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: about woods they were using and in styles and finishes, 273 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: and so I was just you know, soaking it all 274 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: in as much as much as I can learn, you know, 275 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: what what would goes with what finish and you know 276 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: what what acoustic properties do you get out of certain densities? 277 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: And so I was soaking it all in. And uh, 278 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: I actually traded my first muzzloader bullhorns for a lathe 279 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: from a now their local call maker down there. I'm like, 280 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: I sent him three maple birls that my uncle had 281 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: cut as a as a timber faller, and I traded 282 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: a set of my horns because he he makes calls 283 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: out of the actual horn. So I traded. I'm like, man, 284 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: you know it's to me they're just sitting in the 285 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: garage collecting dust. But it had some sentimental value. But 286 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is this is you know, just had 287 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: a kid, you know, like, this is my this is 288 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: my entry in. So he traded me a lathe um 289 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: for for that three girls. And and so how old 290 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: were you then? Yeah? Kids, a little bit young, not 291 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: young young by modern standards. Yeah, so yeah, I was 292 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: twenty five, had the kid was like three months old. 293 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: I think when I kind of started and got the 294 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: lathe and ordered all the all the tools and and 295 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, all the Chucks and all the wood turning tools, 296 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: and like I said, I thought, I'm holding the call 297 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: right now. Check it out. No, I mean the band. 298 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: I make a style without the band, which is kind 299 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: of my standard. Um, you know, we we fancy him 300 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: up with the bands, but the call really hasn't changed 301 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: at all for the last six years. And you'd call 302 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: that just like a basic external read external read. It's 303 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's tuned nasally a little bit extra cy 304 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: um you know, which, in my opinion in September is 305 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: kind of the sound I'm going after. Um we a 306 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: matter of fact, we talked a little bit before, you know, 307 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: can we change that sound and that Yeah we can. 308 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: If somebody prefers a deeper tone or whatever, we can, 309 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: I can custom cutter read and really dial that into 310 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: your preference. I've called elk in with that call. Yeah. Yeah. 311 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: I met Jason through Jay Scott and then made a 312 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: few phone calls and was begged him for a few 313 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: free calls because I remember you have one of these. Yeah, 314 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's gotta be five. So you 315 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: started turning him on a lathe, the barrel, the wooden barrel, 316 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: and you did a lot of extra of uh not 317 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: that I shouldn't say extra, like doesn't matter, but a 318 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: lot of like it's an ornate it's like an ornate call. Yeah, 319 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: I mean started, you know, got to finish, got the sound, 320 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: got the size and the shape. You know, some people 321 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: wanted it to you know, fit their hand right, some people. 322 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: And so I got the sound. To me, the sound 323 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: is always going to rule a call. So I worked 324 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: on the sound first and then made him look good second, 325 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: because I knew that was gonna, you know, what was 326 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: gonna sell them, and so I kind of dialed this 327 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: all in and uh in that first year instead of 328 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: selling tan, I think I sold two or three hundred, 329 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: you know on the local where honey Washington dot com. 330 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: There's a form local you know, I know that for him, yeah, 331 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: Honey Washington dot com. And just started putting them. I 332 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: become a sponsor for dirt cheap prices, like they let 333 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, level of entry was was dirt cheap, like 334 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: fifty bucks for a year. So I got on side 335 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: on as a sponsor and just calls just started rolling 336 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: off and then like you know, keep going back to 337 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, small country kid. I don't know how websites work. 338 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how e commerce stores work. I don't 339 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: know any of this works. And all of a sudden, 340 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: like I'm hit in the face with the you know, 341 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: how are you gonna keep up? How are you gonna 342 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, let people get on them buy him, you know, 343 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: And and so that was that's a whole different road. 344 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: And I'm just a call maker at heart, and so 345 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: all this other stuff, like you know, business decisions and stuff. 346 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: Sometimes you're um, I did the best I could. Yeah, 347 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: rip a couple of notes on that thing. That's the 348 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: easy estress m. Yeah. Really it is really easy to use, 349 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: really easy to use. Um. I always joke with my 350 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: old man, he's the only guy in the face of 351 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: the planet. I haven't been able to teach to use 352 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: this thing. It looks like it looks painful. He gets us, 353 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: He gets his big you know, squint, squints his face 354 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: up like I might know if you're trying that hard, Like, 355 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: let's start over. But uh, I actually made him a 356 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: special bite and blower, you know, like the old school. Yeah, 357 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: he he uses that style. That's what I started when 358 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: I first started messing around. And that's what I would 359 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: have is just the bite blows because you can anybody 360 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: can make a noise. But see that's the thing is, 361 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: that's why I always sucked that game calls, because I 362 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't work on it at all. So, you know, I 363 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: was brought up like I mainly I hold a lot 364 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: of friends, but I mean then I mainly with my 365 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: two brothers and the middle brother, I'm the youngest. The 366 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: middle brother was just like more of a tinkerer man, 367 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: like he was kind of gotta you know, just totally 368 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: dismantled electronics and ship and often leave him dismantled. But 369 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: he would like dismantle or and he got he made 370 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: a little kid to wrap his own rods, you know, 371 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: So he'd wrap his own rods and lacker them like 372 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: just all the painsteaking, meticulous hunting, fishing type stuff. And 373 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: he learned how to do game calls, not make them, 374 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: but just learn how to mess with them and mess 375 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: with them and tune them. And he was just always 376 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: like the family caller. And I it wasn't until I 377 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: just it wasn't a way later. Like it kind of 378 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: goes like this. When I was in college, regular school college, 379 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, they make it take Spanish three years, right, 380 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: I never paid any attention. Man, I'd go in there 381 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: and I try to memorize the ship ahead of time 382 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: so I could get a grade. The minute I got 383 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: out of school, I went to Mexico for a month 384 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: to fish, just camp on the beach and fish. And 385 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't believe. I just wasn't paying any 386 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: attention the whole time they were trying to teach me Spanish. 387 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: Because now I'm saying, you're looking at these guide books 388 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to say basic ship that 389 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: I know I learned in school and didn't care because 390 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: it wasn't like real to me at the time, and 391 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: all those years and you had any responsibilities and anything 392 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be doing. If I had just been 393 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: messing with calls, I missed ten years of practice. Yeah, no, 394 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: I it's like, what else are you do with like 395 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: a ten year old dude should be messing with game calls? Yeah? 396 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: You leave one laterund my house. The kids have got 397 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: it sloughed up, you know, they sound like a dying 398 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: rat or dying cat whatever, whatever they have noise they 399 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: can make. But yeah, the kids, the kids are just 400 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: my kids mouths all the time now just because you know, 401 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 1: they run around. Everything sounds like a kazoo. But it's 402 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: like just getting some basic familiarity with it, you know, 403 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: because like, but so much of the hunting we did, 404 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: we were kind of like pre when I grew up 405 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: hunting tree stands in Michigan, like before people were real 406 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: serious about the science of whitetail hunting. You know, we 407 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: do it for ducks. We do a lot of pass shooting, 408 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: a lot of jump shooting, you know, and you'd see 409 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: you'd be out there and just like guns blazing on 410 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: the marsh and some guy way on the duck call. 411 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: It's like, dude, it's just like doesn't matter. You're not 412 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: gonna bring one in with that call. You know, we're 413 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: pass shooting now here. So it's just like stuff I 414 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: just never figured out. And we started field hunting for 415 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: geese and and uh yeah, man, but I was. I 416 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: was in my twenties four I got I started realizing 417 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: what I was missing out on. You know, when you 418 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: moved to Montana, probably started hunting out and that's yeah. 419 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: Then it started messing around the bite and blow. Alcohol 420 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: started to matter. Yeah, I remember calling one of the 421 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: first times I went out. I remember calling the Kyle 422 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: Elkin real close. She came in and started blowing at me, 423 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: like barking at me, you know, and I was like, 424 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: this is a powerful medicine man calls. But really, ELK 425 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: calling and ELK calls aren't that much older than before. 426 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: When you're saying you started doing it right when you 427 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: brought that first bugle to I mean ELK calls maybe 428 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: another ten years, I think. You know, I don't know 429 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: the whole history. I know Larry D. Jones out of 430 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: Oregon and then Carlton were kind of on that cutting 431 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: edge of of diaphragms and kind of introducing that and 432 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: then uh, you know, kind of the next historic Marcus 433 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: Rocky Jacobson, um, you know, developing that pallet plate and 434 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: then you know the whole patent issue with them in 435 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: Primos and then they carried that and then yeah, it realistically, 436 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: ELK calling isn't that old. My brother I have an 437 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: older half brother. I was just talking my brothers. I 438 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: have an older half brother and he was he guided 439 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: out for many years out of s s part Colorado. 440 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: And remember it must have been the early eighties they 441 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: were messing around with they were taking uh, diaphragm calls 442 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: made for turkey. There was no elk one taking diaphragm 443 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: calls made for turkeys and taking PVC um black plastic, 444 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, vacuum hoses or anything they can get blowing 445 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: out bugles and back then, hearing about it back then, 446 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,239 Speaker 1: it just worked, dude. It was like the it's just 447 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: like it was like the cutting edge. You know. Yeah, 448 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: I mean, my my grandma, my grandpa passed away now, 449 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: but my grandma she shows me the like the old 450 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: uh like straws, the hard hard plastic straws that you 451 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: can kind of coil up and if you blow through 452 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: those you can get that kind of the high pitch. 453 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: My granph used to locate bowls, you know, back with those. 454 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: And you know, it's just kind of funny the progression, 455 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, anything that these guys could get their hands 456 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: on to give them the edge. And you know, and 457 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: then it went to you know, going to find your 458 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: shot back and still in the hose and chopping it up, 459 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: and then you know we're talking earlier with the honest 460 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: you know. Now it's a blast, a black plastic bat. 461 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: You know. People are a lot of guys use those. 462 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: They just chop them up and drill holes in him, 463 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: using them for their bagle tubes. The first bull elk 464 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: I ever maybe you never saw and then proceeded to kill, 465 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: didn't find him, but killed him. And that bull was 466 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: bugled in, but he was bugled in with a PBC 467 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: tube like a three footer. No mouth call at all. No, no, 468 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: he had a mouth call, but he blew it through 469 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: a PBC tube, you know, And that was in two thousand. 470 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: I think it's amazing the way the animals adapt, you know, 471 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: where they hear sounds and sounds get old in their 472 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: community and then they associate those sounds of the man. 473 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: Do you think like you got elk turn it up? 474 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: That's so much of turkeys, but you got elk turn 475 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: it out that are in their twenties, dude, that's a 476 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: lot of experience, a lot of Have you found that 477 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: to be true here in Washington and calling it elk? 478 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean there's there's a huge difference between 479 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: calling elk within a mile of the road versus calling 480 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: elk fifteen miles in a um, you know, walking a 481 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 1: lot of our industry, real timber lands out there are 482 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: walking access only. And you know, there's a big misnomer 483 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: that Roosevelts don't bogle here here from you know, locals 484 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: around here or people that have hunted both places. I 485 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: rose about bulls don't bogle at all. I'm like, well 486 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: I can if I wasn't gonna if I show you 487 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: my honey hole, I would prove you wrong, or you know, 488 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: watch my video that we put together. But yeah, I 489 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: mean Roosevelt bulls, there is a difference in my opinion 490 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: and her dynamics. You know, some of those Rocky Mountain 491 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: bulls have a lot of more mature satellite bowls, you know, 492 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: that are kind of pestering the herd, and so that 493 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: that does naturally bring out more buglin. But it's not 494 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: un normal to go out in the morning here and here, 495 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: you know, ten different bulls and a canyon boglin. Yeah, 496 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: I mean so yeah, you talk about in the rainforest, Yeah, 497 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you're not here in three mile away bowls. Yeah, um, 498 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, and and the same thing, you know, pressure 499 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: oak you know here and stuff getting a custom and learning. 500 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: Um I killed a bull in two thousand eleven and 501 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: um in a Christmas tree patch. Basically, we're replanning probably 502 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: ten years and we've been hunting this canyon all day, 503 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: roads around it, you know, biggling from the roads or 504 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: walking out finger ridges and biggling nothing all day. I 505 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: sat without bull, um, you know, as my buddy went 506 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: to get help in our bike carts. We were on 507 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: a biking area. Who's gonna push both of our bikes up? 508 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 1: And as I sat without bull, the canyon just lit up. 509 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: You know, probably by time we were done, you know, 510 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: eight to ten different bulls that canyon. We've been biggling 511 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: and hunting that thing all day, but there's roads around it. 512 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: But you know it's that is you know, sun went 513 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: down and those bulls just lit up, and so it's 514 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: like they've been there the whole stinking day. It's just 515 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: so much pressure. If they've heard people bogle from every 516 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: point along that road, they just right, we're gonna answer anything. 517 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: So let's back up though, because when you started making that, 518 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: you started making your cow call, why would people even 519 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: buy it from you? Like? What would you because you're 520 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: just saying like yes, I make a call. You don't 521 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: have any way to show to share what it sounded like. No, 522 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: I mean we we did, you know, a small video 523 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 1: production that I was back in oh seven. We did 524 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: me and my buddies, you know, primetime outdoors, four of 525 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: us over the shoulder camera action. So we did have 526 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 1: some um you know video. We went out and did 527 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: like a two minute little you know YouTube video of 528 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: this is what the call sounds like, you know, so 529 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: that helped a little bit. Um. But I was fortunate 530 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: enough in two thousand and nine to kill a muzzloader 531 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: bowl on on film, um out out there in my 532 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: neck of the woods, and that helps all the call. 533 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: And then you know, it was funny though you called 534 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: that bull in. Yeah, I actually called him in twice. 535 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: UM called him in kind of going through the timber. 536 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: He got to about forty yards and realized something and 537 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: then all the all the elkwares single filing muzzloader. Well 538 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a bad musket cap 539 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: or what, but pal drive, you know, it just the 540 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: cap went off and nothing. So we backed out and 541 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: actually called they ran around, but it was we were 542 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: in a salal patches the jungle patch and we actually 543 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: went back eight lunch for forty five minutes, circled the 544 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: next little finger ridge over and I called him and 545 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: another bowl back in, just using that easy estris and 546 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: I killed the one bowl, and um, you know, so 547 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: that we had that video to share, and you know, 548 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: the it was kind of yeah, it was kind of 549 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: cool that, you know, call a bull and scare the 550 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: heck out of it and then turn around and call 551 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: that bull back in kind of like what are the 552 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: chances there's two dudes? Yeah, I got kind of post rets, 553 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: you know, so it worked. Help so the call and 554 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: then you're not fast forward and too much. In two 555 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: thousand and twelve, I had killed a really big bowl 556 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: here in Washington, and it was funny I had already 557 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: had the diaphragms out. I was tinkering with, you know, 558 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: kind of completing the line. And then as soon as 559 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: I killed that bowls like, oh, these calls must be 560 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: even better. You know. It's like, no, they were the 561 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: same calls before I left that arrow ago, and they 562 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: were the same calls after I left that, but now 563 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they were better calls, you know, 564 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 1: And that was really and then that was kind of um, 565 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: you know, social media kind of it was all just 566 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: timing was perfect and that's kind of helped me, you know, 567 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: kind of pool So yet it was definitely starting out 568 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: in the ELK world. Yeah, yeah, definitely, And you know, 569 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: whether it's a business decision, whether it was more of 570 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: my true passion. But um, you know, some of these 571 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: other call markets are so flooded, you know, like Turkey call. 572 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: What how can I differentiate myself from anybody else in 573 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: the Turkey world, you know, because there's a thousand Turkey more, 574 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: there's a thousand plus Turkey call manufacturers. Um, you know, 575 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: you look at ELK and there's four or five and 576 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: that's what I was best at. And so I you know, 577 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: that was like let's let's focus on that and then 578 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: we'll expand the predator line in Turkey line down the road. UM. 579 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: So you don't mess around white tail stuff. Then no, 580 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: I've got some you know, production type stuff. I really 581 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: get a lot of requests you know on this side 582 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: of the state for black tail and meal deer calls. Um, 583 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: you know one and I was fortunate enough to um 584 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: do a lot of um listening. Um. You know, our 585 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: state allows bait hunting and I went over and hunted 586 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: with my buddy on the east side, and you know, 587 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: so we had a lot of We literally sat in 588 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: a ground line and didn't have more than two minutes 589 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: without a group of deer in front of us, you know, 590 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: in bucks running, you know, and and running and call 591 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: one and you know, coming in and out. We could 592 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: hear him approaching from behind us and from the side. 593 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: You really got to take a listening species deer. And 594 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that at least the bucks we were 595 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: listening to are so quiet and deep. I'm like, I can't. 596 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm having a heck of a time replicating that. And 597 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: you mean like grunting does, yeah, or grunting but you 598 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: know grunting bucks chasing does, and like it's such a 599 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: deep sound compared to what you hear all the white 600 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,479 Speaker 1: or white tail calls make. And so I'm like, man, 601 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can replicate that. You know, 602 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: I could with the calls that I had, but it 603 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: was pretty rough. So do you make a black tail 604 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: like a like a fond blye or deer call? Yeah, 605 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: um that call or the my close read predator um 606 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: is tuned for fond distress um zapp that once do 607 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: you do like a bear kind of deal like that, 608 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: like the sick of black tail guys use you like similar, Um, 609 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: it's kind of that. Yeah, you know, but this this 610 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: call that brings that brings the dose in. Just got 611 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: probably ten those that are in my yard, all your 612 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: black tails, and I will when they you know, here 613 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: in April or May, when you know, June, whenever the 614 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: fall and start dropping, I'll go out and mess with them. 615 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: I'll go to the corner of my house and blow. 616 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean you can just you have dose, like literally 617 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: criss crossing your yard, running around the corner and just 618 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: going nuts. Yeah, there's a couple of there's a couple 619 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: of calling things that just make you wish all calls 620 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: her that way and they're calling avelina and then blowing 621 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: one of those at a black tailed dough. It's sort 622 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: of like, you know, even when you stand up, she 623 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: still is like, Okay, I see a dude, but there's 624 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: a fawn here somewhere in distress. Yeah, I bet you 625 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: more than fifty percent of the time, even when I 626 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: kind of pop out of the corner, she stands here 627 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: and looks at me and still just stomping and bowing 628 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: like I'm hey, you know here, I'm I'm a guy, 629 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, go back to your falling or whatever. Don't 630 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: get to uh you know, asked a couple, Uh, I 631 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: mean the honest for I asked a couple this fall 632 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: just to just kind of watching because like they're so convinced, 633 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: you know, running down the mountain, you know, snort and 634 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: a is stopping their feet leaving coming back. You know, 635 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: it's just like you feel like you got an animal 636 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: on a tether. You know. It's just not a feeling 637 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: you get all the time long game calls. I've watched 638 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: them hunts up there on you know, shick a blacktail 639 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: and during the rut they'll do it, and the does 640 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: will come around with a lot of times those bucks 641 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: are like still chasing him, and that looks like a kick. 642 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: That's what a buddy mine says. He thinks that. He's 643 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: like when I call it buck in, He's like, they 644 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: just know they're going toward deer activity. And he was 645 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: saying too that when you get that dough in there 646 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: stopping around raising holy hell, during the rut, he's like, 647 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: just hold her there, Bucks show because the bucks gonna show. 648 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: Because he hears her messing around. You know he's gonna 649 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: show up. Now, He's not coming to the rescue. You know, 650 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: he's not like coming to like he's not coming to 651 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: help with fun. He's like, oh, yeah, something's dying, but 652 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: there might be a do over there looking that doing 653 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: he still so now it's just you know, the whole 654 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: game call thing. I don't know if it's a god 655 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: complex or what, but you know, being able to have 656 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: control over chure is always just I don't know, it's 657 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: it's been my passion, Like, man, I can I'm literally 658 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: like the steering wheel to this, you know, a thousand 659 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: pound bowl, you know, elk or I'm the steering wheel 660 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: to this, you know, twenty pound black butter ball. You know, 661 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: I basically controlling nature at this point, you know, and 662 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: and ful them. And so that's always been kind of 663 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: that allure and what's drove me to, you know, develop 664 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: all these calls and like you know, have whether it's 665 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: a I feel like I have a small part. You know, 666 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: you get the pictures, and it's pretty rewarding to say, 667 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, you know your calls were part of this, 668 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: even though I say a lot of times like it's 669 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: a carpenter. It's not the hammer, you know, Like, don't 670 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: give me the credit. You're the one running the calls, 671 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: making the right decisions. But it's cool to just feel 672 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: like you have a little bit of, you know, a 673 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: part in that success. When we're down, we're down in oblivion. 674 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: We're out in the jungle with you know, just like 675 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: like indigenous South Americans. And they would go and suck 676 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: on their hand to make a monkey noise. Remember that. 677 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: They would take a blade of grass to do a 678 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 1: tape here, whistle what other kind of stuff they do. 679 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: They would make a lot of noises. They've under that 680 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: big date tree. He's sucking on his hand, make a 681 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: look nose, remember him doing that the night I got 682 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: to go out. Oh no, no, no, no no, I forgot 683 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: hey there that night camera guys every night. So yeah, no, 684 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: they would go there under this tree, and they knew 685 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: there's monkeys up in the tree, and they were just going, 686 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: you know. And then later they're taking grass and making 687 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: a whistle, and I couldn't ask them. Later I was 688 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: able to ascertain that there the tape here'll make a 689 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: whistle like that, you know. So they're just out like 690 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: doing game calls. The native materials, you know. You know 691 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: it's you know, people always have been doing it for 692 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: a long, long long time. Man. That's like my favorite 693 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: turkey locator, you know, just the old alcohol with your hands. 694 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: You know. It's just some rewarding about just being able 695 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: to replicated with nothing more than your hands, a barred 696 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: alcohol and get that turkey to snap back. And that's 697 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: that's a I'm glad you brought it up because this 698 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: is something that we've debated and argued about for a 699 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: long time. I'm curious to get perspective on it. We'd 700 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: go out and we were like going out in the 701 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: pre you know, in the dark hour and a half 702 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: for a daylight to to locate a turkey. And it 703 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: was like ship you know, and someone like slam a 704 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: car door. It's like I gave up eventually, I know 705 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: that like owls and all that. But we would go 706 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: out and just make noise. Now I take a predator 707 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: call and I don't even try to like, I don't 708 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, these turkeys are wise, so this needs 709 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: to sound like something killing the fawn, you know. I 710 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: just go out and make the most hilacious sound, the 711 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: most abrupt, hilacious sound I can make on that call 712 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,439 Speaker 1: to shot gobble. One day, I mean, we were laying 713 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: there hunting turkeys and we couldn't find anything where you know, 714 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: got the peacock thing. It's like, how many turkeys have 715 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: heard of peacock? Right? But they gobblet got a peacock thing. 716 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: We've got a coyote thing. All this stuff, nothing's god. 717 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: But one day my brother matches like it's time as 718 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: long as stops, yea, Like, I just don't know what 719 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: they really like. I don't know if it matters that much. 720 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: I don't either. You're shocking them up with and I 721 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: don't know if they're thinking when he yells hey and 722 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: he gobbles, I don't think that turkeys and saying I 723 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: better relieve now because that was a man he was 724 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: just yea responding back basically, Yeah, just I we you know, 725 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 1: we've our experiences all of Washington turkey hunting. But there's 726 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: something to be said for locating at night. You know, 727 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,720 Speaker 1: we got that. I call it the thirty minute window 728 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: from about ten minutes before you know, dusk and twenty 729 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: minutes after. Yeah, if they if they're gonna gobble, that's 730 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: what kyot. How for some reason will locate, you know, 731 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: for us over there locates everything at night. But then 732 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: you're like, you're just saying we have always been hesitant 733 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: to use it during the day because now it's like, 734 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: well do they want to come run into Kyote? You know, 735 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: so you're trying to like process this so much. I 736 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 1: think I don't know how much they think about way off, 737 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: way off sounds because I've watched them. Uh, if he 738 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 1: was a seventy five yards though, just happen to be 739 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: a huge difference. If you give him some credit, if 740 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: they don't live that long, you know, the three old 741 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: turkeys old turkey, give him some credit. He's definitely watch 742 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: other turkeys bite the dust at the hands of Kyle. 743 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: So if you think about how like turkeys are born 744 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: to die right of nests roughly nests to get laid 745 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: are destroyed before they hatch. Sev of the turkeys that 746 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: hatch are dead was in their first year. Se of 747 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: the ones that are not are dead within the next year. 748 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: Sevent of those are dead within the next year. That's 749 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: why when people find like a big, you know, a 750 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: three year old bird, it's like he's a survivor man. 751 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, and they'll drop multiple clutches, 752 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: but I mean they just die all times. It's like 753 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: turkeys are constantly dying all over the place. You have 754 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: to think that if you're an area that has significant 755 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: numbers of kyote, to the turkey in his one or 756 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: two years on earth is gonna be like, that's not 757 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: a good sound. Dude like that. I can tell you. 758 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: The dude yelling, I don't know what that is, but 759 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: that's I think it's gonna But yeah, so I hear 760 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: all that, and I do like the natural noise because 761 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: when you're out in the woods, you do want to 762 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: be discreet, you know, and so running around screaming and 763 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: blowing honky car horns, it's just like it's just an 764 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: unnecessary thing, just naturally. I have heard turkeys shot gobble 765 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: crows in real life. You know. I've heard turkey shot 766 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: gobble thunder in real life. I've heard him many times 767 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: shot gobble redtail hawks where I see the hawk here, 768 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: the turkey, dogs, barking, coyotes, yipping, jets flying over, walking 769 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 1: geese flying over. Yeah, yeah, a lot of times that that, 770 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: don't you know? You get the whatever that that noise 771 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: it rolls off every once in a while off the 772 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: jet and bam, all right, we don't have to make 773 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: a noise. That was easy to get that one started, 774 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, I just think it's like he's 775 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 1: just out there making racket. But yeah, I don't. I 776 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,720 Speaker 1: would never yell. If you if you yell a turkey 777 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: seventy five yards away and do that, hey, I think 778 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna haul us out of there. But the way 779 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 1: off noises, I don't know if they're processing it. I don't. 780 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: I don't think so either. We've we we've always been 781 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: careful in the morning, you know, because a lot of 782 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: times will locate at night and then try to get 783 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: where we think, you know, hundred yards within that tree 784 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: for the morning. You know, if nothing else is exciting, 785 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: because it's thinking things, gonna gobbill fifty times on the tree, 786 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:42,399 Speaker 1: it flies down. But yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll kill him later. 787 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, we usually you know, that's our morning is 788 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: usually silent, just kind of enjoying the sunrise, enjoying all 789 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: the sounds. And uh yeah, we used to get out 790 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: there and think that, uh you know, like because everyone like, yeah, 791 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: call him off the ruse, calm off the ruse. You 792 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: know'd be like eight thirty in the morning, be like, 793 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: damn it. Yeah. The other way I would just sleep 794 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: till now and get and get him at ten level. 795 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: Taking me ten years to even realize that now. And 796 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,720 Speaker 1: maybe people have been saying it and I just wasn't listening. 797 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: But you should really never call at a turkey that's 798 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: in a tree. You should never call it one in 799 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: a tree. You should always let him hit the ground. 800 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: Just wait. Never Yeah, especially when you hear him up 801 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: there and you got all these hands going up. Now, 802 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: I've done it, and I've you know, I've no people 803 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: have done it, and I've seen it done. But it's 804 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: just yeah, late morning. Many spirit like just don't even 805 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: mess with them. But your whole life you brought up 806 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: like Yetta, be out there hunting at dawn and it 807 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: does happen, and then it feels good it happens. But 808 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 1: if you're gonna give me, if I had to pick 809 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: two hours, if someone, if I had to be like 810 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: I could only turkey hunt two hours a day, I 811 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: don't have from eleven to one. I'd probably pick ten 812 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: to noon. And some of the best turkey hunters I 813 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: know public, you know, not not your private land guys. 814 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 1: But some of your public land guys here, they won't. 815 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: They sleep in the late breakfast in camp and they 816 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: and go. They don't even start their turkey out until nine. 817 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, let you know, and then just 818 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: the natural process of the hens going to lay, you know, 819 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: breaking up the floor. It just all makes sense, you know. 820 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: And and I think it's just part of you know, 821 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: wanting to be part of that cool experience at sunrise 822 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: and you know, turkey's gobbling a ton in the tree. 823 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,799 Speaker 1: I don't know if I necessarily want to miss out 824 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,879 Speaker 1: on that, but some of these old timers are like, you, 825 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: young bucks can go chase these turkeys around in the morning. 826 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: I'll go out there at nine and kill him, or 827 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: ten o'clock and kill him. Yes, because if I hear 828 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: a guy will the more like pre dawn darkness, I 829 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't say, like, man, we're gonna get this turkey. But 830 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: if you're out it's like leven, you know, it's kind 831 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: of sunny out getting warm, we get ready for nap. 832 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, we have, we have we You're like, dude, 833 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna kill that turkey. Yeah, start the oven. Yeah, 834 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,720 Speaker 1: you just know, it's like that dude is gonna play 835 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: ball the same without you know, not to switch gears completely. 836 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: But I say, that's why it's almost a merror image 837 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: to me. Um, it's like, man, you get that help 838 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,879 Speaker 1: to answer at ten or eleven or noon, and it's bad. 839 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: It's like that's a you know, that's a killer boiling 840 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 1: the same same thing. It's just some reasons, like us 841 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: things board in the middle of there, someonell keep me entertained, 842 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, we've had great success turkeys, And later I 843 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: thought about it, but I can see it's like, you know, 844 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: he's probably more likely to play he's had just one 845 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: of like one of a thousand alcohol making racket in 846 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: the first five minutes of the daytime. Yeah, at ten am, 847 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: he's probably not traveling like he is at six am. Yeah, 848 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: he's in my opinion. You know, there's probably people that 849 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: could you know, argue, but family, Yeah, they always but 850 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, we've always had great success or at least 851 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: at least have an opportunity if we hear that boy, 852 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 1: you know, somewhere between ten and one, if he does 853 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: bigle be you know, usually getting close and at least 854 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: have an opportunity or get to see him or whatever. 855 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: You know, once you got out of doing the asterisk, uh, 856 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: not got out of but you made the easy asters. 857 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: What was the next call you added to your line 858 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 1: is that when you got a diaphram um, we bought 859 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: the presses Um. You have one one press that uh 860 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 1: you know, basically presses down the aluminum frame. We stretch 861 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: the latex out. It's all on a micrometer, you know, 862 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: so I can tell within ten thousands of it. So 863 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tear this call apart just so you can. 864 00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: That's what I don't tear that. Okay, There's there's an 865 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: aluminum frame under here, and it starts out as an oval. 866 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: It's open. I bend it and then it cramps it 867 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: on both sides. So I'll crimp this side first, So 868 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: this side and then I'll stretch this side underneath, stretch 869 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,840 Speaker 1: my hand. It's all on a press. It's on a 870 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: press when you're pulling the late Yeah, it's all by 871 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: feel and by hand. And that's really the art and it. 872 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: You know, when I first got this thing, I about 873 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 1: quit diaphragms. I probably threw a thousand of them away, 874 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: like I'm never gonna get this and it truly was 875 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: like there was there's tricks to it, and I was frustrated, 876 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: like something handed me a Rubi's cube, Like I'm I'm 877 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: not ever going to get right tension right or the 878 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: cuts right, or you know, there's side tension, there's back tension, 879 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,399 Speaker 1: there's you know, tension forty five. There's all different kinds 880 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: of stretches you can put into these things, and I 881 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 1: couldn't um, you know, master turkey calls and I'm gonna 882 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,560 Speaker 1: fend the turkey call makers are easier to make the 883 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,760 Speaker 1: elk calls. There's a lot more, in my opinion, finesse 884 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,040 Speaker 1: to get these things to to react right. So that 885 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 1: was my next venture is you know, being a die. 886 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: At this time, I had been hunting archery oak for 887 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: eight years and new, uh, you know, all serious elk 888 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: hunters want diaphragms, they want to be hands free, they 889 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,839 Speaker 1: want to be able to you know, bhgle calcoll all 890 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: from the same call. So that was my next rabbit hole. 891 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 1: I started running down um and in the in between, 892 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: I have these are all you know what I call 893 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: my medium now, which is what of the guys order, 894 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 1: what fit the guys. But before that, I had a 895 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: youth in a large and I knew at the time 896 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: I was trying to market these things. They weren't the 897 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: best for everybody, but I was trying to either fit 898 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: them in one or the other. And finally I had, 899 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, did well enough that I developed my you know, 900 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: my own frame, this medium frame. Um. My wife worked 901 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 1: for Northodonist. You know, they make lots of molds and 902 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: people's mouth. I was like, hey, let's start making take 903 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: some measurements off of pallet inside pallets. I want to know, 904 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: I want to get this average figured out, you know. 905 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 1: And so we kind of you know, dialed in there 906 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: and came up with the size that was gonna work. 907 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: So what is the average pallet we southern Washington? Two inches? No, no, 908 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: it's don't tell us, yeah no, no, no, you po 909 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 1: me on the spot. I'm like, no, it's something easy, 910 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,359 Speaker 1: something you know, anybody could buy him in measure room. 911 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,760 Speaker 1: It's um that's a good idea though, man, So uh, 912 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: hit a couple of notes on the on your diaphragm. 913 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: This is this is yeah, yeah, this is you know 914 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: my you didn't bring an ELK one, I can use 915 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: the double. Um, it's not gonna sound the greatest. I 916 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,080 Speaker 1: didn't bring any ELK calls up, um, but this is 917 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 1: pretty tight double It's similar to EI. This would be 918 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: more of a bugle read. But so let me ask 919 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,800 Speaker 1: this first. Is an ELK call. Is the latex tighter 920 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,319 Speaker 1: or looser than a turkey? Um? A little bit looser, um, 921 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:10,799 Speaker 1: and usually not as many layers. You know, a lot 922 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 1: of turkey calls in that being doubles or triples just 923 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: so they can kind of stand that, you know, hard cutting. Um. 924 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 1: A lot of my ELK calls are like one of 925 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: what I call one and a half read or or 926 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,439 Speaker 1: a double read. And do you do you sell more 927 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: diaphragms or more? Um? I sell, you know, just for 928 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 1: pure quantity, more diaphragms. Yeah, but you know, of course, 929 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, the easy ESTR sells really well too. And 930 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: it's it's priced a lot higher, so you know, it's 931 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: all and the Beagle tubes. Actually, if I could keep 932 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: the stinking things in stock and the manufacturer can keep up, um, 933 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: I probably sell the most bagle tubes. Um. Yeah, these 934 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: easy astras as long as you don't lose it, I 935 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,839 Speaker 1: mean you could, this thing will work ten years, right, 936 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: just replaced the castration man. Yeah, I mean yeah, this 937 00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,839 Speaker 1: latex isn't really protected from UVA or that latex. It's 938 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,360 Speaker 1: in that castration band. Castraight ban that's what that is. Yeah, 939 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,400 Speaker 1: you go to the farm store, I buy you know, 940 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 1: tail docking slash castration bands and your ship. That's what 941 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 1: that is. That's a lot of guys will call me 942 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: up and say, hey, will you shipp me one? I'll 943 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,400 Speaker 1: pay for shipping. I was like, it's cheaper if you've 944 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,200 Speaker 1: got a farm store. Just wrap that around my nuts. Man, 945 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: I could have brought the tool for you. No. So yeah, 946 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: but all calls are stretched a lot looser, um, you know, 947 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 1: not quite as much latex, and they're a lot easier 948 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: to blow. This is this is a double It's gonna 949 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: be a little bit hard to control as a note call, 950 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 1: but I could make it work, especially for a bugle. 951 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 1: It's not it's not it's not perfect. It's not perfect 952 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: by any means. I Um, my competition calls that I 953 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 1: used are all like one and a half reads, or 954 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: if I was out hunting, I would use it one 955 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 1: and a half read to do all the locating and stuff, 956 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 1: and just a lot easier for me to operate and 957 00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: that's that fills forign in my mouth even trying to 958 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: be you go on it. But so when when you're 959 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: blowing on diaphragms, what are you mostly doing with your 960 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,640 Speaker 1: hand when I put my Let's talk about turkeys first, 961 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: Like what are you trying to achieve? Are you trying 962 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: to achieve that that you're sounding like a bird, like 963 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: a ventriloquist like thing. Are you trying to actually affect 964 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: the sound? Yeah, by by using your hand that you know, 965 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: use it on one side or the other. It's it's 966 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: causing some sort of deflection off of your hand. You 967 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,479 Speaker 1: know that sound's gonna hit your hand and bounce back, 968 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,720 Speaker 1: and so you're really kind of adding that rich tone 969 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: and some reflection in that call. Um. I was a 970 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,320 Speaker 1: nerd when I first started this with our cameras, and 971 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,000 Speaker 1: I would go set up fift yards away and do 972 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: it with my hand and without with my hand with without, 973 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: and you could hear a deaf and difference in the tone. Um. 974 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,560 Speaker 1: By just having the hand better, it's just richer, you 975 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: get some bounce back, you kind of break the call up. Um. 976 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: If I'm on top of a high ridge, I won't 977 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,680 Speaker 1: put my hand because I want that. I don't want 978 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 1: anything to block, you know, that sound. If I'm trying 979 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: to locate, um, you'll just that rip and and don't 980 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 1: use my hand. But you know, typically I don't know why. 981 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. You just got your hand in there. Yeah. 982 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: But sometimes when I'm watching guys, dude, I'm like, that 983 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: can't all make sense. I feel like it's just like 984 00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: a thing where you feel like you need to be 985 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: doing something with your hands. I don't know what to 986 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: do with my hands. You know, ELK call, and especially 987 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: when I do, you know, cow calls, it's you know, 988 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: you always got your hand kind of cupped. Um, I 989 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 1: ventured down. I had another external ELK call for a while, 990 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: called the Director, and that call really opened up. When 991 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: I designed it, I didn't realize what my you know, 992 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 1: I designed the tone board, then designed the barrel afterwards 993 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,879 Speaker 1: to get that right sound. That barrel ended up being 994 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,360 Speaker 1: less than an inch long, and it absolutely changes a 995 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: sound whether you put your hand over it and you're 996 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: leaving it open, if you put your hand over the 997 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: end of that barrel and blow, versus if you leave 998 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,239 Speaker 1: your hand open like that, you know, if you open 999 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 1: your hand up completely change the call and completely change 1000 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: the characters characteristics of the call um, you know, So 1001 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 1: not so much with the easy esterros. You can cut it, 1002 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,719 Speaker 1: you can tighten it, it it doesn't affect as much. But 1003 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: on that call um specifically, it made a big difference, um, 1004 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, by by reflecting some of that sound. So 1005 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 1: how many different diaphragm elk calls do you make on online? 1006 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,440 Speaker 1: I make? Uh, I usually make six different turkey diaphragms. Um, 1007 00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: I've kind of six. Yeah, I've expanded to two more. 1008 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 1: So I've got eight total, just different cuts or different 1009 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: different cuts. And then on the elks side. And when 1010 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: we say cut, like, explain just because I wish that 1011 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 1: we could that everybody can see one of these things 1012 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 1: landing from us. But most guys know what a diaphragm 1013 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: call its like. But explain what what do you mean 1014 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: by a cut? Okay? So on a turkey diaphragm we've got, 1015 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, typically three will say three pieces of latex 1016 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 1: um in order. The top reads usually the furthest out um, 1017 00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: you know, the read under that's set back just a 1018 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,319 Speaker 1: little bit, and then the third read set back a 1019 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,240 Speaker 1: little bit more. That top read um. We we typically 1020 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: put some sort of a cut in it. And what 1021 00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 1: that does is by letting that little bit, you know, 1022 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: since we put the top read out the farthest, we 1023 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: leave them of that read hanging over um that second read. 1024 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,359 Speaker 1: So the second reads actually you're calling read and then 1025 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: that top reads actually um introducing some rasp to the call. Yeah, 1026 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 1: it's like when you saw about his cut. It's like 1027 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: you got like a little V shaped piece of latex 1028 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,879 Speaker 1: which is vibrating. Yeah yeah, I mean so it's flat. 1029 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 1: It's like like management as you blow air cross and 1030 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: it's like flapping in the wind, but at a very 1031 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: very high frequency. And we can you know, I played 1032 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,560 Speaker 1: with us a ton of how however, big a chunk 1033 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, like this is uh, nobody can see what 1034 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,080 Speaker 1: this is. A ghost cut. Industry could refers to this 1035 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,319 Speaker 1: as a ghost cut. The center's cut out of it. 1036 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,600 Speaker 1: And you know there there's all different kinds of cut um. 1037 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: You know, the split, split wire, the split v um 1038 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,359 Speaker 1: is a typical cut. We've got the bat wing cut. Um. 1039 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: You know, the split is usually a really raspy call. 1040 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,879 Speaker 1: Because you have so much material. We didn't take any 1041 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: material out, you know, so you left all of that 1042 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: material overhanging the second read. Um, now what I found, 1043 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,920 Speaker 1: you know, with the cuts, I found that calling turkeys, 1044 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 1: I like a key key so like that I don't 1045 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,160 Speaker 1: want to cut or I don't want a big cut, 1046 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: like yeah yeah yeah, so I certain calls it better 1047 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: me with it. That's the thing is that every just 1048 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,400 Speaker 1: got to pick them up and mess with him. I 1049 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: don't think you can really anticipate. Nope, what's gonna work 1050 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,400 Speaker 1: for people? Yeah, that's that's a hard part. You know. 1051 00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,640 Speaker 1: Some guys come in with a what I consider kind 1052 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: of like a shoe string budget. You give me your 1053 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,160 Speaker 1: best two calls. I'm like, you just put me in 1054 00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: a hard spot, you know, to decide for you, because 1055 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,359 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to be the best two 1056 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,239 Speaker 1: calls for you. I can recommend based on what you 1057 00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 1: know feedback. I've gotten stuff. Um, you know you get 1058 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,600 Speaker 1: for a single diaphragm seven to eight bucks. I'm still 1059 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,840 Speaker 1: fairly low, but you know, I think turkey diaphragm is 1060 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: a six pack cells for like thirty five bucks. You know, 1061 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 1: so we're we're under you know, six bucks of diaphragm, 1062 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,080 Speaker 1: which is a pretty good deal. You make all these 1063 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,720 Speaker 1: all of them, I said, I can make anywhere from 1064 00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,160 Speaker 1: If they're a single read call, I can make fifty 1065 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,920 Speaker 1: of them an hour, and if some of these triple 1066 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 1: reads and stuff, I'm probably at thirty of them an hour. 1067 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 1: The whole process. Yeah, I mean, but it's it's doubt 1068 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: You're efficiency definitely, UM depends on doing one call, the 1069 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: same cut, the same stacking, you know, because I gotta 1070 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 1: lay all these super sharp um um seamstress scissors. Basically 1071 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,439 Speaker 1: everyone's hand cut stretch it. Yeah, and some of these 1072 00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 1: the latex is like a pain, you know, like you 1073 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,919 Speaker 1: know that one you basically cut on the ghost cut. 1074 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: You make the two cuts and then you grab that 1075 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: piece of latex and pull it in. It rips. Well, 1076 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 1: you can see sometimes it doesn't, and so you know, 1077 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,479 Speaker 1: like this calls the ghost cut specifically, that's my cast 1078 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,719 Speaker 1: per tricky call. It's got like a uh throw away 1079 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 1: because the cut doesn't turn out right. So you make 1080 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 1: if I if I know I have fifty to make 1081 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:45,839 Speaker 1: for an order, I'll make seventy because I know I'm 1082 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,840 Speaker 1: gonna ruin twenty of It's kind of a just you know, 1083 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,320 Speaker 1: part of the part of the deal and the larger manufacturers. 1084 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,279 Speaker 1: Uh do they have it figured out where they're doing 1085 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,239 Speaker 1: it completely automated? No, this as far as I understand, 1086 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,920 Speaker 1: there are some you know, big companies that make calls 1087 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: for other companies. Basically, you know, they come up with 1088 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 1: their specs and then somebody's sitting there spitting them out 1089 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 1: all day. But I think, uh, there was one of 1090 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,800 Speaker 1: the larger call companies tried to go overseas and basically 1091 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,600 Speaker 1: stretch out you know, ten yards of latex at a time, 1092 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: and they didn't and then you know, have a press 1093 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,759 Speaker 1: come down and hit two hundred of them at a time. 1094 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,600 Speaker 1: It didn't work because as everything hit at a different time, 1095 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,880 Speaker 1: you were getting variations in the stretch and it just 1096 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,799 Speaker 1: didn't work out. I think, to my understanding, everybody's making 1097 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 1: diaphragm calls, has somebody or a group of somebody's sitting 1098 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,279 Speaker 1: down hand pressing all of these. So what makes a 1099 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,640 Speaker 1: good one with everybody making them? What made well? How 1100 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 1: do you differentiate a good one from a shitty one? Consistency? 1101 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,200 Speaker 1: If I in my opinion, and and you know anybody 1102 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: can hold the hold me to this. If you buy 1103 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,359 Speaker 1: my cast per turkey call, if you buy my rip 1104 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: and red Turkey call in the order A hundred of them, 1105 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,880 Speaker 1: all hundred of those. I expect to be the same 1106 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,799 Speaker 1: um with me making the call. And this is right now. 1107 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm able to keep up. But say I'm paying you 1108 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 1: fifteen dollars an hour to sit at the press, I 1109 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: can only make it like four hours and my back 1110 00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,919 Speaker 1: starts cramping up, my shoulders hurt. Now say I'm paying 1111 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,480 Speaker 1: you fifteen dollars, you don't, Or if you're getting paid 1112 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,839 Speaker 1: piece work, you don't care if this one's off by 1113 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,000 Speaker 1: ten thousands or you didn't stretch it. You know you're 1114 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,680 Speaker 1: stamping him and throwing him in the pile because you're 1115 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: getting paid. I'm not saying everybody does that, but I have, 1116 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, control over my name is going on the call. 1117 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,880 Speaker 1: I have some pride in this. If I if I 1118 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,920 Speaker 1: fold a piece of latex, or if I miss a 1119 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:32,640 Speaker 1: cramp or something's wrong, I'll toss in the garbage. It's 1120 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 1: not worth it, you know, for me to put my 1121 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,319 Speaker 1: name on that um, and that's there isn't uh. You know, 1122 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm a call maker, and I don't want to discredit 1123 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,719 Speaker 1: other call makers, but really, when it boils down to it, 1124 00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,399 Speaker 1: it's somebody stretching latex and putting tape on it. It's 1125 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,400 Speaker 1: not rocket science, you know, so to so to speak, 1126 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:54,040 Speaker 1: and um uh that's the only that's what. There's stretch, 1127 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: there's there's art and um you know, because there is 1128 00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,920 Speaker 1: no dial indicators on some of these stretches, so it 1129 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,400 Speaker 1: really is by feel. Um. But I ask you about that. 1130 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: Is there anything that you can use to press against 1131 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 1: that late texas see how much rebound it has? Or 1132 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,239 Speaker 1: you could probably come up with the gage, but then 1133 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 1: you've got to try to hook like an alligator clip 1134 00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,840 Speaker 1: to the back and then somehow, you know, on a 1135 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,600 Speaker 1: fine scale, measure the you know, the pound edge or 1136 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,800 Speaker 1: the um you know, whether you probably measure an ounces 1137 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,480 Speaker 1: of pool. I don't even know how you measure that. 1138 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,960 Speaker 1: So we do have a I have a dial indicator 1139 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,120 Speaker 1: on the one stretch, but it still matters on how 1140 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,719 Speaker 1: much stretch I put on the the opposite side. So 1141 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,400 Speaker 1: everything truly is by field. Um. Yeah. I can remember 1142 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,840 Speaker 1: when I was told that when I was having issues 1143 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,759 Speaker 1: with diet fhragms because the same thing. It's like you 1144 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: have two or three and you'd be like, man, these 1145 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,879 Speaker 1: things are money, and you'd go buy a couple more 1146 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,359 Speaker 1: and then be like the same call, and the next 1147 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,440 Speaker 1: two would suck, you know. And finally I talked to 1148 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,440 Speaker 1: somebody and they were like, oh yeah, every year I 1149 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,279 Speaker 1: started off the season with thirty of them and I 1150 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 1: have five at hunt with the other go into the trash, 1151 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 1: you know. And so it's it's cool to hear that 1152 00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,359 Speaker 1: you you know, put them. Is that when you open 1153 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,879 Speaker 1: up a package, you're not guessing whether it's gonna work 1154 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,239 Speaker 1: or not. Uh, you know, like when I went to 1155 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,439 Speaker 1: here's a I went to Oregon State calling Championships three 1156 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,520 Speaker 1: or four weeks ago, and it's kind of my little backstory. 1157 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: I I blew out. We had the Portland Sportsman's Expo, 1158 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,040 Speaker 1: which is one of the largest sportsman shows west of 1159 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 1: the Mississippi here down and I had a booth there 1160 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,560 Speaker 1: and I blew out my competition call, and you know, 1161 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,840 Speaker 1: it's almost heartbreaking, like the one I used in Vegas. 1162 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,160 Speaker 1: And now it's gone and I have a competition next week. 1163 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: And I got down there and uh, my buddy Corey, 1164 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,520 Speaker 1: who had made a bunch of calls for um, he's 1165 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,120 Speaker 1: gonna buy him from me. He needed some calls for 1166 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: the competition and I was like, Corey, I need to 1167 00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: borrow one of those one of the Beasts, which is 1168 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,080 Speaker 1: the name of one of my bugle calls, and you know, 1169 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,680 Speaker 1: to pull out of the package and then turn around 1170 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: and use that in the competition. It is kind of 1171 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,920 Speaker 1: a you know, my own personal testament that you know, 1172 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,520 Speaker 1: I didn't sit and pick through a hundred or two 1173 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,120 Speaker 1: hundred of these calls to get the perfect call. I 1174 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 1: pulled one right out of the package. That was an 1175 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,080 Speaker 1: inventory that I had a ship to anybody, um, you know, 1176 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,600 Speaker 1: And and that's really what I strive for. And a 1177 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,919 Speaker 1: lot of times I'll make fifty hundred at a time 1178 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,439 Speaker 1: and if I can't grab four or five out of there, 1179 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: and you know, they hit the perfect note, you know, 1180 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,200 Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily scrapped a whole lot. But I'm gonna 1181 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 1: go back to and inspect him, like, you know, do 1182 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 1: the do the cuts the cuts look right, do the 1183 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,720 Speaker 1: stretches look right? And if they don't, all toss him 1184 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,400 Speaker 1: and kind of clean that lot up. Um. And that's 1185 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,200 Speaker 1: I think that's some of the stuff you don't necessarily 1186 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 1: get with everybody. And but you probably, but don't you 1187 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,000 Speaker 1: wind up hitting the thing where you know, as you 1188 00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,760 Speaker 1: as you keep doing this and and find more success 1189 00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,920 Speaker 1: at it, that you're just gonna come to a crossroads. 1190 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,320 Speaker 1: To day is coming. It's it's coming quick because your 1191 00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 1: kids aren't old enough their name will be on it. 1192 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,280 Speaker 1: People who have told me that women are better call 1193 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 1: makers on the diaphragm, you know, smaller, I got big 1194 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,600 Speaker 1: old pause. I'm trying to get in these tight little 1195 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 1: um spaces. You know, train somebody? Do you train family? 1196 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,680 Speaker 1: That's really been my my hang up is wanting to 1197 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,560 Speaker 1: give give up control of the quality control, you know, 1198 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,680 Speaker 1: the quality assurance and quality control part part of the deal. 1199 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know what I'm gonna do, to be honest, Yeah, 1200 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,720 Speaker 1: because we're running out of time. Of the days I 1201 00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,600 Speaker 1: didn't need to you know, still a line from my 1202 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,280 Speaker 1: good buddy Aaron. Either sleep faster or I need thirty 1203 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,800 Speaker 1: six hour days, one or the other. Hit. Uh. What 1204 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,800 Speaker 1: year did you start doing at selling Turkey calls? Two 1205 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: thousand and nine? I started kind of development in late 1206 00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, and I think I sold my 1207 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,000 Speaker 1: first one in nine? What's your first one? What was 1208 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,200 Speaker 1: the cut on your first one? Um? Oh? Oh, Turkey Calls? 1209 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,760 Speaker 1: Let me. That was two thousand and eleven when I 1210 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,840 Speaker 1: got depressed, Um, the ripping red um, they kind of 1211 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,600 Speaker 1: all came together. I developed those six kind of originally yeah, 1212 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,440 Speaker 1: um and it you know, you basically looked at Turkey calls. 1213 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,240 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't reinvent the wheel. I was like, well, 1214 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,080 Speaker 1: what popular cuts are out there? And so I tried 1215 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,920 Speaker 1: to replicate the cuts. Um. You know, I have a 1216 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 1: dragon Slayer one of my oak calls. It's really similar 1217 00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,000 Speaker 1: to the Casper. We just cut the corners off, um, 1218 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,800 Speaker 1: and so I kind of knew about where I wanted 1219 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,320 Speaker 1: that thing. So what on the on the dragon Slayer, 1220 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,959 Speaker 1: we just cut the corners off. So off the latex, yeah, 1221 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 1: because that adds too much rask. So on an ELK call, 1222 00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,919 Speaker 1: I wanted it cleaned up. And so there's just there's 1223 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,920 Speaker 1: tons of plan and once you learn kind of how 1224 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,240 Speaker 1: the latex reacts and what does what it kind of 1225 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:16,840 Speaker 1: you know, and then I'll come up with a new design. 1226 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:18,400 Speaker 1: And that just kind of slapped myself on the side 1227 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,160 Speaker 1: of head. Why didn't you knew all the components to 1228 00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: this call? Why don't you to develop this three years ago? 1229 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,560 Speaker 1: As you know, it's my new best call or whatever. 1230 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 1: Now I've had these, uh, because I hunt a lot. 1231 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,400 Speaker 1: Just keep it in my mouth. I mean, I'll try 1232 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,720 Speaker 1: to bite and have it out of my mouth, but 1233 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,520 Speaker 1: I've had to get wet and fall apart. Are is 1234 00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,840 Speaker 1: your we have? There are tape issues and a lot 1235 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,440 Speaker 1: of us get our tapes from the same manufacturers and 1236 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,040 Speaker 1: not saying this didn't happen with a felt it will 1237 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,760 Speaker 1: happen with mine. You know, I try to warrante him. 1238 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,080 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily my fault. But if these things, you 1239 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,960 Speaker 1: know it's it's water resistant tape. It's not waterproofing, so 1240 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 1: you get d I've learned to be much more careful 1241 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,439 Speaker 1: about just having to be just like slobbered up all time. 1242 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,680 Speaker 1: What's your method for keeping them dry? Like how much 1243 00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,400 Speaker 1: do you run around? And if you just chase them 1244 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,840 Speaker 1: a bowl of or a day, maybe you haven't heard 1245 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,800 Speaker 1: one for an hour or two, but like through the 1246 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,480 Speaker 1: course of the day, how much does that call in 1247 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: and out of your mouth A lot? I used to 1248 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,400 Speaker 1: he's gonna play some years. That's the rassy red. I 1249 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,959 Speaker 1: don't want to rip too loud. Get yours out, answer 1250 01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,640 Speaker 1: you the question. We get yours ready, um, so on 1251 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: an elk count as much as I need it in 1252 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 1: my mouth, I will, But as soon as you know 1253 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 1: there's a break or we're chasing or removing. UM. I 1254 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: have a buddy who local guy down there just south 1255 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: to me. He had what's called a read vice and 1256 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of a homebrew little thing. It hooks to 1257 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,320 Speaker 1: my hat and then it's basically got like alligator clip 1258 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,720 Speaker 1: that comes off. So I hook the one thing I 1259 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,200 Speaker 1: found this year in Idaho hunt elk degrees all day. 1260 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,040 Speaker 1: Latex doesn't like direct sunlight, so you start getting little 1261 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,800 Speaker 1: hairline cracks in your call. Like all right, So then 1262 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,280 Speaker 1: I flipped the underside of my hat when I was 1263 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,200 Speaker 1: kind of blocking my vision. But that's where your engineering degree. Yeah, yeah, 1264 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I can get rid of the sun. So I use 1265 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,000 Speaker 1: a read vice, and I also I have a prototype 1266 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,560 Speaker 1: basically like a little wing per squeezer. But the thing 1267 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:02,959 Speaker 1: I didn't like with that is a lot of guys 1268 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,040 Speaker 1: were using vinyl and you know what they put like 1269 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,240 Speaker 1: a whole punch in it. Well, that wasn't breathing very good. 1270 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,880 Speaker 1: So I used a piece of like five cordua on 1271 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 1: one side and then like mi spec mesh on the opposite. 1272 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,920 Speaker 1: Send me one of those. I'll have to get some 1273 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,000 Speaker 1: made it. Trust me, I've got tons of requests. I 1274 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,920 Speaker 1: just like, like I was telling you earlier, everything in 1275 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,480 Speaker 1: the US is ordered by the thousands. It's like my 1276 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,160 Speaker 1: in this order was like twenty dollars, and diaphragm pouches 1277 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,720 Speaker 1: are like, man, how long am I gonna? You know, 1278 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,920 Speaker 1: have to but no, I can get some more maine. 1279 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: I'll definitely. So you try to keep it dry as dry, 1280 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,040 Speaker 1: and often are you pulling apart the layers, the latex layers, 1281 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,360 Speaker 1: I mean, is it bad to get in there. I'll 1282 01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:40,280 Speaker 1: be getting in there all the time. And like tying 1283 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,400 Speaker 1: on turkey calls, especially that top reed once it gets 1284 01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,440 Speaker 1: stuck to the underreead it it's not near his drafty 1285 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,080 Speaker 1: and it kind of locks the call up. So a 1286 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:48,560 Speaker 1: lot of times in the morning you gotta it is 1287 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:50,800 Speaker 1: okay just to like do this, I'll do this and 1288 01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,919 Speaker 1: get a little here's my get it wet first, put 1289 01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,680 Speaker 1: in your mouth for a minute, and loosen everything up, 1290 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,600 Speaker 1: because if you try to pull that when it's dry, 1291 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 1: a lot of times, especially like on these small little cuts, 1292 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,160 Speaker 1: you'll rip the the latex right off because it's pretty good. Yeah, 1293 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,680 Speaker 1: I have done that and put it under a faucet 1294 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,120 Speaker 1: to just to Yeah. Yeah, if you pull one, if 1295 01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 1: you don't clean it and you finished turkey season and 1296 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,880 Speaker 1: throw it in a desk jarld out later, Dude, it's 1297 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,000 Speaker 1: hard to get apart. So I'll like run it under 1298 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,919 Speaker 1: a faucet and eventually I'll get a whack them. Yeah. 1299 01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:20,960 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of stuff. If if you 1300 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,440 Speaker 1: have toothpicks around, you know, at the end of the day, 1301 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,560 Speaker 1: you can slide a toothpick in between um provide, you know, 1302 01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,400 Speaker 1: but it is okay to like, yeah, you know, gently 1303 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,360 Speaker 1: separate them. But yeah, you can definitely separate them. Um. 1304 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,960 Speaker 1: A lot of times all get mad. The casper or 1305 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,360 Speaker 1: something like the casper um that's called it has like 1306 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,560 Speaker 1: really fine ones laying over when he gets stuck. It 1307 01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,520 Speaker 1: just doesn't add in your asps. So it's like, no, 1308 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,680 Speaker 1: I want so you'll yeah pull pull, pulling the coal 1309 01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,040 Speaker 1: apart in the middle of the morning and you hit 1310 01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 1: a couple of notes on your when of your your 1311 01:02:50,280 --> 01:03:03,360 Speaker 1: first one. That sounds good, man, I'm ready the wife 1312 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,920 Speaker 1: ready spring thunder. Yeah, that's what I gotta do. I 1313 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,919 Speaker 1: gotta get I gotta get to call in my mind 1314 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,920 Speaker 1: into my wife's mouth because she's just like right now, 1315 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,440 Speaker 1: they hate it. My wife hates me blowing around the 1316 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,200 Speaker 1: house blowing game calls. And she's got the kids browled up. 1317 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,200 Speaker 1: They used to like it, because she doesn't like it, 1318 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,920 Speaker 1: and they're like, stop that, dad. They're like, give me one. Yeah, 1319 01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:27,720 Speaker 1: they don't like it, but then they want to get 1320 01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,280 Speaker 1: one and go make a noise with it. Oh yeah, 1321 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,520 Speaker 1: I get my My wife's got my kids trained. You 1322 01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,040 Speaker 1: go to RiPP a bagle in the house and you 1323 01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,320 Speaker 1: you get three get out in the garage. Is all about. 1324 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,480 Speaker 1: But she can blow a turkey call. You're saying, no, 1325 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,600 Speaker 1: she likes to hunt turkeys, so she that's that's my 1326 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,800 Speaker 1: wife's favorite. And she likes deer hunting all cotton, but turkeys, 1327 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,600 Speaker 1: like you like the ribbon red I do. But it's weird. 1328 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,200 Speaker 1: The headphones on. You can't tell what what you sound 1329 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,520 Speaker 1: like at all. Sounds good. You got a nice rasping it. 1330 01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,120 Speaker 1: I admire that rasp man. I don't get it. But 1331 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:04,360 Speaker 1: you're saying, like you you visualize, I don't know if 1332 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,720 Speaker 1: it makes sense. I just in visualize. I visualized putting 1333 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,280 Speaker 1: the air towards the end of the read. I don't 1334 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,680 Speaker 1: know if it matters or not, because here I'll tell 1335 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:14,800 Speaker 1: you what. I'll blow towards the back. I'll imagine blowing 1336 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:24,440 Speaker 1: towards the back, and I'll blow towards your front. Yeah, 1337 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:32,080 Speaker 1: it didn't matter. That sounds good, has a lot of ass. Yeah, 1338 01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,800 Speaker 1: what you want to actually mad is I think I've 1339 01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,920 Speaker 1: got this whole like wild hen Talk mastered. And you 1340 01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,720 Speaker 1: go out and you hear some hen Off d yards 1341 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,560 Speaker 1: yapping away, I'm like, man, I don't sound anything like 1342 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,040 Speaker 1: hands me every spring. You know what that hand sounds like. 1343 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,280 Speaker 1: That hand sounds like a ten year old kid with 1344 01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:55,520 Speaker 1: a box call. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. It's like, yeah, 1345 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,200 Speaker 1: every you're in here trying to do this finesse. To 1346 01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,880 Speaker 1: hear something upbout a ridge top just laying out, it's 1347 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:04,400 Speaker 1: either that's like someone with a rusty box call yeah, 1348 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,880 Speaker 1: but it's a hit, yeah, chocolate box or something just 1349 01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:09,840 Speaker 1: up there like the most well, the same thing like 1350 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,800 Speaker 1: listening to Elk. You know, like you go out like 1351 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,440 Speaker 1: there's like the perfect bugle right when you go out 1352 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:21,400 Speaker 1: and you're watching some bull and he's basically like, yeah, 1353 01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,880 Speaker 1: there are some nice ones, but you also just hear 1354 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,080 Speaker 1: a lot of There's just a lot of variation out there, 1355 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, and you hear some bullies all like horse 1356 01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, to actually sound like that premost Terminator two 1357 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,360 Speaker 1: were you were you thinking like, you'll never hear a 1358 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,240 Speaker 1: bull it will actually sound like flutey like that. But yeah, 1359 01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 1: he lives out there, Ye, Yanni does. Yanni can whistle 1360 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,320 Speaker 1: where it sounds like, you know, like when you can't 1361 01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,880 Speaker 1: even tell if you heard a bull or not it's 1362 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:56,120 Speaker 1: so far away. Do your whistle that wasn't That wasn't 1363 01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:01,520 Speaker 1: a great one. Yeah, it's like you're like, goddamn, I 1364 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,040 Speaker 1: just heard my way off. That's that's my goal every 1365 01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,240 Speaker 1: year is and not getting called in by somebody. But 1366 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,400 Speaker 1: I think it's screwed up my chances on real helk 1367 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes oh yeah I'm not that call me that not 1368 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,240 Speaker 1: the other way. I've had more times where I wrote 1369 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,640 Speaker 1: a bowl off as being some jackass and then it 1370 01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,479 Speaker 1: turns out to being out. Ye one time we played 1371 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:24,680 Speaker 1: it all the way through and ended up getting a 1372 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,400 Speaker 1: shot and kill the bull. But I was convinced. I 1373 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:29,920 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not taking one more step because I'm 1374 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,320 Speaker 1: not getting called in by somebody. He's like, it's a 1375 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,480 Speaker 1: real bull. I'm like, no, it's not listening. It's horrible. 1376 01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,240 Speaker 1: And he was back fifteen yards to my left but 1377 01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:38,880 Speaker 1: could see over the ridge better and he's like, here 1378 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:41,240 Speaker 1: they come like a son of a gun. And I'm 1379 01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,520 Speaker 1: glad we stayed. But I was here by myself, I 1380 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,640 Speaker 1: would have went the other way, like I'm not or 1381 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:47,760 Speaker 1: mess with somebody. I like to call people a top 1382 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,840 Speaker 1: of mountains and stuff. Mess with him. But I would 1383 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:55,040 Speaker 1: write to a couple. One time we were actually walking 1384 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,040 Speaker 1: off the mountain. We'd have been in there for I 1385 01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,040 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe three or four days. I think it was. 1386 01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,080 Speaker 1: It was my dad and the only time he went 1387 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,800 Speaker 1: in the back country, but we could hear him calling, 1388 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,000 Speaker 1: and I was, you know, just sure that a deaf. 1389 01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,000 Speaker 1: I think he might even even run in the hoochie mama, 1390 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,360 Speaker 1: which that call, you can definitely pick it out, you know. 1391 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,240 Speaker 1: And so I just figured, well, I'm just gonna just 1392 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,439 Speaker 1: trump down right through the forest, just right at them, 1393 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,880 Speaker 1: which in retrospect probably wasn't the smartest thing to do, 1394 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,720 Speaker 1: because I come through like the last two Christmas trees 1395 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,680 Speaker 1: and like six ft away there's a gal a girl 1396 01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,040 Speaker 1: stand there with an arrow knocked not drawn, thank goodness, 1397 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,600 Speaker 1: but not in just I can see the top of 1398 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,720 Speaker 1: in just just like just shaking, you know, and her interdor. 1399 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if your boyfriend, her husband behind her 1400 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,480 Speaker 1: is like kind of smiling over her shoulder. He mustn't, 1401 01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,200 Speaker 1: you know know, and that you know I was coming 1402 01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,360 Speaker 1: and he caught a glimpse of me. But you know, 1403 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,200 Speaker 1: in retrospects, fight out the best thing to do. You 1404 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:53,760 Speaker 1: just gonna charge it in on what was what was 1405 01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,240 Speaker 1: the response like when you started selling Turkey calls? Do 1406 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,080 Speaker 1: you sell Turkey calls of the guys in the easter 1407 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,959 Speaker 1: as it always it's pretty local, I is my Turkey. 1408 01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,400 Speaker 1: A lot of it stems from guys have sold ELK 1409 01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,720 Speaker 1: calls to uh, you know, it's kind of that because 1410 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,800 Speaker 1: saying Turkey call markets so saturated, and you know, you've 1411 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,160 Speaker 1: got the big companies back east, you know, the you 1412 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,920 Speaker 1: know whatever, the there's just a lot of turkey call 1413 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,960 Speaker 1: manufacturers back East, and it's just so there are guys 1414 01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,439 Speaker 1: making Turkey calls, big companies that make Turkey calls that 1415 01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,640 Speaker 1: aren't making ELK calls. Yeah, correct, a lot of you know, 1416 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,639 Speaker 1: a lot of those companies back Easter, you know, maybe waterfowl, turkey, 1417 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,400 Speaker 1: um maybe you know uh uh squirrel, you know squeal 1418 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,000 Speaker 1: you know and and you know there there's some different mix. 1419 01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,320 Speaker 1: But for some reason, a lot of these call manufacturers 1420 01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,640 Speaker 1: have stayed away from from ELK. It seems like a 1421 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,479 Speaker 1: lot of your manufacturers, besides Primos um, you know, like 1422 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,840 Speaker 1: Hunter Specialties and Night and Hill have dabbled in it 1423 01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,719 Speaker 1: woods Why some of these companies have dabbled in ELK calls, 1424 01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,559 Speaker 1: but then have a huge presence out here where you know, 1425 01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,280 Speaker 1: out west, we've got um, you know, premos from from 1426 01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,160 Speaker 1: back east, but you've got uh, Rocky Mountain game calls 1427 01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,880 Speaker 1: are biggling bull whatever you want to call him. Um, 1428 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:03,120 Speaker 1: you've got Barry game calls. You've got point Blank, which 1429 01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,600 Speaker 1: used to be the old Larry D. Jones UM. And 1430 01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,519 Speaker 1: you know, it seems like out west there's there's a 1431 01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,640 Speaker 1: lot fewer um, you know, ELK call manufacturers. You make 1432 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,519 Speaker 1: a dusky grouse call, I don't I did you watch 1433 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,840 Speaker 1: our episodes about dusky gross I didn't. I didn't see 1434 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,599 Speaker 1: I see you. You'll sell five six of those every 1435 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:24,320 Speaker 1: decade see you guy. You guys are intriguing because I 1436 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,360 Speaker 1: hear about all the stuff you hunt, and it's like, 1437 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm literally a mule deer, blacktail and an elk hunter. 1438 01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,160 Speaker 1: That's like, that's I cut my teeth on that. And 1439 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,719 Speaker 1: it's just I've got an opportunity. I can hunt those 1440 01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,760 Speaker 1: every year. You know. I've always got the moose, caribous 1441 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,360 Speaker 1: sheep stuff on the radar. But that's gonna be a lot, 1442 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,479 Speaker 1: a lot harder to make. Have you haven't been able 1443 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:48,040 Speaker 1: to make it in a nice cow call for moose? No, yeah, no, 1444 01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:50,600 Speaker 1: we haven't played around. I made some markets limited on 1445 01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,559 Speaker 1: that because so many guys would like to hunt moose 1446 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,599 Speaker 1: just learn how to do it, yeah, with their boys. 1447 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,200 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, a man a dusky grows call 1448 01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,120 Speaker 1: for guys like to hunt spring hooters, you'd be the 1449 01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,760 Speaker 1: only guy in the market's tough call. Everybody tells me 1450 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,120 Speaker 1: that a male call is easy because you like a 1451 01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:12,560 Speaker 1: jug or something, you know, but the female calum you 1452 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,160 Speaker 1: figure that one out. I get a lot of requests 1453 01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:17,600 Speaker 1: for antelope calls. I'm like, I'll just get you like 1454 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:21,040 Speaker 1: the little the little North that I don't know what 1455 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,720 Speaker 1: I always joke with him because I don't know and 1456 01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,400 Speaker 1: they do like a yeah, I just figure I was 1457 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,400 Speaker 1: cann get like two glasses of water pouring back and 1458 01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,280 Speaker 1: forth and then just let the antelope hear the water 1459 01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:34,160 Speaker 1: and I'll call him, Yeah, that make a noise. And 1460 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,519 Speaker 1: they make a noise and it's uh, they use it, 1461 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, and you can make it back at them 1462 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:40,840 Speaker 1: and get a good response out of them. It's just like, 1463 01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,679 Speaker 1: you know, the closer you compare it to, it doesn't 1464 01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:45,880 Speaker 1: really compare it mean, like a white tail's warning call, 1465 01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,800 Speaker 1: you know when they blow. Yeah, they just got like like, 1466 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:54,879 Speaker 1: here's the white tail, like right, animals like, but they 1467 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:56,880 Speaker 1: like when a white tail does it, the white tail 1468 01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,120 Speaker 1: doesn't give a shit about hearing it back, you know, 1469 01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,800 Speaker 1: like no matter, it's never gonna come. They're not gonna 1470 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,040 Speaker 1: come check the noise out and over intrigued by that noise, 1471 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:10,400 Speaker 1: come back with the noise. So you're saying no to 1472 01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 1: all that stuff. But is there like the next rabbit 1473 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,719 Speaker 1: hole for felps game calls, Like, is there a challenge 1474 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,840 Speaker 1: like a call you've been wanting to make or trying 1475 01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,960 Speaker 1: to make that you just haven't figured out yet, you know, 1476 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,599 Speaker 1: I don't ultimately blacktail. I want to make a black 1477 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:27,519 Speaker 1: tail grunt. It seems to be really popular. Yeah. Um, 1478 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's highly requested. Um mule dear grunt. Um. 1479 01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,280 Speaker 1: You know, the late season bow hunters haven't grunts. Bow hunters. 1480 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,240 Speaker 1: A lot of the late season bow hunters think that 1481 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:39,320 Speaker 1: they potentially when they get in close, you know, it 1482 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,519 Speaker 1: could be you know, they wouldn't use it all the time, 1483 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,120 Speaker 1: but you know a lot of the guys say, you know, 1484 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,760 Speaker 1: it could be a game change, or it could work occasionally. 1485 01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,400 Speaker 1: And I just I wonder if, I mean, if Mulder's 1486 01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,320 Speaker 1: gonna act any different when he hears the white tail 1487 01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I mean, does he give 1488 01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,719 Speaker 1: a ship? I don't if he hears the white tail grunt, 1489 01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never That's one of the things 1490 01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:00,799 Speaker 1: I'm not real versed on. You I'd probably I'd probably 1491 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,160 Speaker 1: calling some people that have messaged Yeah, it's it's it's shorter, 1492 01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,320 Speaker 1: and it's deeper and it's quieter from what I've heard. Um, 1493 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,360 Speaker 1: you know, But like I said, I I don't do 1494 01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,280 Speaker 1: a whole lot of late season archery deer. Last year 1495 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,320 Speaker 1: was the first year I've ever bow hunted for a 1496 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,400 Speaker 1: late meal deer, and what I heard wasn't what I 1497 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,920 Speaker 1: thought I was gonna hear a meal. Dear grant sound 1498 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,000 Speaker 1: like said, all right, go back the drawing board, change 1499 01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,679 Speaker 1: up the read thickness, and change up the barrel diameter 1500 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,000 Speaker 1: and making some changes so you never feel like messing 1501 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,519 Speaker 1: with waterfowl. I will eventually, you know, if if I 1502 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,120 Speaker 1: want to make a run at this thing full time, 1503 01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna have to develop the waterfowl line. But 1504 01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,599 Speaker 1: I don't. This is the other thing. You know, some 1505 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,880 Speaker 1: guys may, you know, go reproduce a call that's out there. 1506 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,599 Speaker 1: I'll probably bring in four or five guys, you know, 1507 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,000 Speaker 1: because I'm not a waterfall expert. I don't. I don't 1508 01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,400 Speaker 1: claim to be a duck hunter. Um. The ones that 1509 01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,599 Speaker 1: the waterfowl calls I sell now are basically Echo inserts. 1510 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,320 Speaker 1: You can buy them, um, you're right off their website 1511 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,040 Speaker 1: from Echo. And I basically just am a wood turner. 1512 01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:57,479 Speaker 1: You know, I can turn the barrel. I had my 1513 01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,320 Speaker 1: buddy come over and size the barrel for what he liked, 1514 01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,439 Speaker 1: and that's what I sell. You know, it's there's I 1515 01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:06,200 Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of investment or you know, 1516 01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,639 Speaker 1: my skill doesn't really come into play. My buddy basically 1517 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,960 Speaker 1: sized it for me. Um, but I probably imagine you know, 1518 01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,719 Speaker 1: the predator call line is is decently got one close 1519 01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,280 Speaker 1: read and three open reads. Um, probably waterfowl's next, could 1520 01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,840 Speaker 1: you bring that? Yeah, the clothes read we did they 1521 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,880 Speaker 1: do the fall in distress and also does that real 1522 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,599 Speaker 1: raspy jack um once you break the read over really loud, 1523 01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,160 Speaker 1: like ob noxious, just just by get forces. Yeah. So 1524 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,960 Speaker 1: I mean you got that real quiet fall in distress 1525 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,439 Speaker 1: and then you can crank it over and yeah, get 1526 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:43,920 Speaker 1: like the Holy Smokes noise. Yeah. So so you're making 1527 01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:50,719 Speaker 1: Turkey elk predator, right, waterfall a little bit A couple 1528 01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,000 Speaker 1: of calls, which, like I said, just a would turn 1529 01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:55,920 Speaker 1: around the waterfall. But if you had to make just one, 1530 01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,000 Speaker 1: you're like you do out. Okay, you know that's what 1531 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,840 Speaker 1: you're paying fall Turkey fall by predator probably in that order. Yeah, 1532 01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:07,080 Speaker 1: um yeah, definitely, um passionate, most passionate about it. That's 1533 01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,240 Speaker 1: where if I try to align all my vacation up, 1534 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,160 Speaker 1: it's like elk elk and then maybe a meal deer 1535 01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,200 Speaker 1: hunt on the end. You know, It's like I want 1536 01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:14,519 Speaker 1: to be elk cut in at least two weeks a 1537 01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,720 Speaker 1: year and in the red. How many elk trips you 1538 01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,960 Speaker 1: do every year? Um, last year was one, but I 1539 01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,599 Speaker 1: did it two weeks continuous, so like you know, weekends included, 1540 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,080 Speaker 1: we were gone like nineteen days this year. Got a 1541 01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,360 Speaker 1: new job, so it's like two, you know, a nine 1542 01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,040 Speaker 1: day trip, come back for a week, and then a 1543 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,240 Speaker 1: nine day trip. So I'll try to hit you know, 1544 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,280 Speaker 1: I'll try to be in the oak woods anywhere from 1545 01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:38,519 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty days and in September calling it elk obviously. Yeah, 1546 01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:42,200 Speaker 1: usually we're pretty here with your rifle. Yeah, or I'm 1547 01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,600 Speaker 1: actually putting in for east Side special permits now, so 1548 01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:48,800 Speaker 1: typically don't hunt Washington if I don't draw, Um, we 1549 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,559 Speaker 1: go out of state and do all over elk cutting. Currently. Um, 1550 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, the wife still hunts around here, so I 1551 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,800 Speaker 1: gotta go out or the rest of my dad and 1552 01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,479 Speaker 1: his family, So I still gotta do a lot of 1553 01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, riding along and and hunting along and spot 1554 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:06,599 Speaker 1: and stuff. But yeah, the life of a costom call maker, Oh, 1555 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:11,720 Speaker 1: it's exciting. It's exciting. So it's your whole shop just 1556 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:17,880 Speaker 1: given over entirely to Yeah. We Hey, I gotta basically 1557 01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,600 Speaker 1: built rooms within my shop because the dust was uncontrollable 1558 01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,559 Speaker 1: and I'm still just a yeah the dust and sand 1559 01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:26,920 Speaker 1: and it was getting everywhere. So we like enclosed the 1560 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,200 Speaker 1: section of the wood shop and then we've got like 1561 01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,559 Speaker 1: her inventory and you know, a different section, and then 1562 01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm still just a working out of the 1563 01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,679 Speaker 1: shop basically, so the lawnmowers parked on the other side. 1564 01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:39,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's not just a game call shops and 1565 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,000 Speaker 1: you and you, uh, do you have a distributor? You 1566 01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,839 Speaker 1: shipping all yourself? We do everything direct. You know, probably 1567 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,360 Speaker 1: eight of the cells come um directly through my website. 1568 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,719 Speaker 1: And then I've got people don't buy you off Amazon. No, 1569 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, I've I've been approached by Phelps. You go 1570 01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,680 Speaker 1: to Phelps. Yeah right now. Um, we do we have 1571 01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,360 Speaker 1: four or five dealers um local bullshops that I'm just 1572 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,519 Speaker 1: buddies with or buddy deals. And then we do have 1573 01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,599 Speaker 1: one other online retailer. UM. It used to be Elk 1574 01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,280 Speaker 1: one on one um but now it's black Ovis is 1575 01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,760 Speaker 1: is selling the calls out of Utah as well, So 1576 01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:14,920 Speaker 1: a couple online distribute. It's funny, you know, it's you 1577 01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,479 Speaker 1: debate and business models, you know, And I understand you 1578 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,720 Speaker 1: want pro shop support, right, you want uh, you know, 1579 01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,360 Speaker 1: you want that guy to sell, you know, the guy 1580 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,960 Speaker 1: that comes and buys a bow your call. If you 1581 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,120 Speaker 1: take that away from him, you may lose that support. 1582 01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,280 Speaker 1: And since he's got a you know, biggling bowl or 1583 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,439 Speaker 1: a Barry Read on the shelf, he's gonna sell him 1584 01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,240 Speaker 1: that because that's where he makes his money. So there's 1585 01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,280 Speaker 1: a balance, you know. I like the whole qu model, 1586 01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, as a business owner, I like that model. 1587 01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,320 Speaker 1: At the same time, I understand it's not the best 1588 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,960 Speaker 1: model necessarily for the business I'm in. So, like I said, 1589 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,360 Speaker 1: I never claimed to be a smart businessman, but some 1590 01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,240 Speaker 1: of this stuff is the stuff I'm wearing right now. 1591 01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:52,360 Speaker 1: Like what direction do we go? And what's the best direction? 1592 01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:57,040 Speaker 1: And and like you're seeing growth every year, though exponential 1593 01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:00,000 Speaker 1: growth every year. I don't know where it's gonna stop. 1594 01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,920 Speaker 1: But like the same conversation you start talking about that, 1595 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,080 Speaker 1: and you come back full circle to how you're gonna 1596 01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,080 Speaker 1: keep up because I don't. I don't know what I'm 1597 01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:09,680 Speaker 1: gonna be able to do in July and August. That's 1598 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:13,240 Speaker 1: my two by far biggest months because you know, centered 1599 01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:15,800 Speaker 1: round everybody buying their OLK calls and geared up for 1600 01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,760 Speaker 1: ELK season. It's gonna be interesting this year. The wife said, 1601 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,080 Speaker 1: I had one more year to do this all on 1602 01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,479 Speaker 1: my own, then I better figure out a streamline way. Well, 1603 01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,000 Speaker 1: she just it was. It was rough last year. You know, 1604 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,360 Speaker 1: basically every weekend, you know, all weeknights un till midnight, 1605 01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,560 Speaker 1: get up at five, you to work, get home at 1606 01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,720 Speaker 1: five thirty, and you're making calls until midnight. And just 1607 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,040 Speaker 1: a couple of hours south of Steve you probably call 1608 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:44,640 Speaker 1: him up stretchatex stretched the latex my day that you 1609 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:50,600 Speaker 1: never heard that one before. So now what you got 1610 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:55,080 Speaker 1: a website obviously, Yeah, we're Phelps Game Calls dot com 1611 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:59,120 Speaker 1: pH pH you know PS. You know the NATO phonetic 1612 01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:04,080 Speaker 1: alphabet I just like Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, Delta supposed to 1613 01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,240 Speaker 1: be that all the NATO countries um that they would 1614 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,960 Speaker 1: look at those words and pronounce, you know, how to 1615 01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,360 Speaker 1: pronounce those words. You know, I'm working on the confusing 1616 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:19,839 Speaker 1: phonetic alphabet where I'm trying to find all like um 1617 01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:25,439 Speaker 1: like for p would be pneumatic um or for p 1618 01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:30,920 Speaker 1: you could do psychology or nomic for you know, so 1619 01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,599 Speaker 1: all words that don't start. I'm just bringing us out 1620 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,240 Speaker 1: to point out that your name is not f E 1621 01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:45,400 Speaker 1: LPs for phone pH phelps pH e LPs And what's 1622 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,160 Speaker 1: the what site? Though? Phelps game calls dot com? Phelps 1623 01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:51,679 Speaker 1: game calls dot com And people do usually this order online? Yeah, 1624 01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,240 Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm pretty open on social media, you 1625 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,400 Speaker 1: know a lot of times, and you know that's maybe 1626 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,120 Speaker 1: the difference you get the experience with me. A lot 1627 01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,559 Speaker 1: of times I'll get him, you know, will message back 1628 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,839 Speaker 1: and forth Benner, you know, back and forth at eight o'clock, 1629 01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:06,800 Speaker 1: it at night. You know, what do I need to order? 1630 01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,200 Speaker 1: This is what I would order? What are you doing? 1631 01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:09,240 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you see the order 1632 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:11,400 Speaker 1: pop through. You know, if you have dudes call up 1633 01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,240 Speaker 1: and be like hey, looking for advice and what to 1634 01:19:13,240 --> 01:19:15,160 Speaker 1: get or or a lot of times like you know, 1635 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,640 Speaker 1: maybe it's a new era, but I don't know if 1636 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,160 Speaker 1: it's tacky or untactful. But a lot of times with 1637 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:22,880 Speaker 1: my phone now, it's like it's easier to do a 1638 01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,000 Speaker 1: text message or a Facebook message. That's how I communicate 1639 01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:27,720 Speaker 1: and it makes it super streamline, so I can deal 1640 01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,800 Speaker 1: with a lot more customers that way. You know. So 1641 01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:31,840 Speaker 1: a lot of guys will just hit me up on 1642 01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 1: Facebook and message me or text me um right off 1643 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,320 Speaker 1: the website, and then it just makes it quick and easy. 1644 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,120 Speaker 1: And then they then they place the order. Yeah, like instantly, 1645 01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,800 Speaker 1: I can. I was just talking to you know, Rob 1646 01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,680 Speaker 1: so and so, and then bam on my phone, I 1647 01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,960 Speaker 1: see the order come through. You know it's it's uh, 1648 01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:53,519 Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, and you got concluding thoughts. 1649 01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,960 Speaker 1: They're beautiful calls. Man, than you can rip a couple 1650 01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,639 Speaker 1: of notes on there. Let's hear jack Rabbit just I'm 1651 01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,360 Speaker 1: no good at them. I can run the easy astres, 1652 01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,559 Speaker 1: you can run the jack rabbit. He likes to blow 1653 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,360 Speaker 1: those at grizzly bears when we see one. Yeah, I 1654 01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,120 Speaker 1: think I've seen you guys running from a grizzly bear, 1655 01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,720 Speaker 1: and one of the efforts I do like to blow 1656 01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:19,280 Speaker 1: a man grizzly bears and annoys people I'm with, like, 1657 01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:23,559 Speaker 1: let's see this barrel. Check this out. Yeah, we're only 1658 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,559 Speaker 1: camped a couple hundred yards away. Let's see if we 1659 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:27,760 Speaker 1: can bring this grizzly bear close. You just don't have 1660 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,439 Speaker 1: any fear of them or like is it it's not 1661 01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,880 Speaker 1: a lack of respect, but just no fear. I used 1662 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,160 Speaker 1: to be real, I used to know, not real. Yeah, 1663 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,400 Speaker 1: it's just to me, it's like what happened? You know? 1664 01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:41,679 Speaker 1: Some dudes drive fast down the highway, right, I don't 1665 01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,920 Speaker 1: like that. I'll drive slow down the highway like I 1666 01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:49,080 Speaker 1: have that right, I have that thing. I just don't 1667 01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,719 Speaker 1: have the bear thing. I'm the same way. Some guys 1668 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,760 Speaker 1: can drive a hundred miles an hour, right, we even 1669 01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,320 Speaker 1: in and out of I can't do that. But those 1670 01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,920 Speaker 1: guys might be scared of bears. I'm just not afraid 1671 01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:59,840 Speaker 1: of bears. I mean I'm afraid, like I respect them, 1672 01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,400 Speaker 1: but I don't want to see a bear. The first 1673 01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,880 Speaker 1: thing I'm not the first thing on my mind is 1674 01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,479 Speaker 1: that that he's gonna come scratch me up. So you're 1675 01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,599 Speaker 1: not reaching for bear sprayer or a gun or anything 1676 01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,840 Speaker 1: or no, I'm just like, wow, hey, a bear. I 1677 01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,400 Speaker 1: always felt like somebody's gonna pull my man card because 1678 01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:16,600 Speaker 1: like the whole eastern Idaho, southwestern Montana, northeastern Wyoming, like 1679 01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,120 Speaker 1: I'm I went deer hunting in region F and Wyoming 1680 01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,479 Speaker 1: you know, against the eastern border. We've seen like five years. 1681 01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,360 Speaker 1: I was the day after I killed my buck, there 1682 01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,600 Speaker 1: was grizzly bears everywhere, and I'm like, this isn't my 1683 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,200 Speaker 1: thing at all. Like that, I honestly like, if you, 1684 01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,240 Speaker 1: if you, if I could have absolutely identical right places, 1685 01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:38,000 Speaker 1: everything exactly the same, and they're like, only difference is 1686 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,720 Speaker 1: this one's guy grizzlies and this one don't. I'd be like, 1687 01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,080 Speaker 1: let's going on the grizzly one just because I like 1688 01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,680 Speaker 1: looking at him. They're cool from a distance. I like 1689 01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,519 Speaker 1: looking at him from like interne the way in the 1690 01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,599 Speaker 1: spot in scope. If we had more time to talk 1691 01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:57,559 Speaker 1: about it, I would talk about, um, the current debate 1692 01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:02,120 Speaker 1: around de listing in those area you're named, and it's 1693 01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:05,439 Speaker 1: I've looked at it from all angles. I think it's 1694 01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,160 Speaker 1: the best, the best way forward for the bears and 1695 01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,840 Speaker 1: for people's delisting, you know, and they got to delist 1696 01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:15,320 Speaker 1: them often endangered species list. Um, there's a lot of 1697 01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,760 Speaker 1: bears in those areas. They met the requirements. Um, you 1698 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,240 Speaker 1: can't tell states and all these people, you can't tell 1699 01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,840 Speaker 1: them for decades that here's what recovery looks like. And 1700 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,800 Speaker 1: we're all going to strive for recovery and make all 1701 01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,040 Speaker 1: kinds of sacrifices and and achieve the goal and then 1702 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,920 Speaker 1: and then move the moving target and then move the 1703 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,719 Speaker 1: mark around people. Man, It's just like it just makes 1704 01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:41,000 Speaker 1: people so resentful of the Endangered Species Act, when in 1705 01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,800 Speaker 1: fact it's a great tool that works well. But you 1706 01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,800 Speaker 1: gotta put it out and take it off. It's a 1707 01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,360 Speaker 1: one way street man. Stuff gets on, it never comes off, 1708 01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:55,599 Speaker 1: especially if it's charismatic. You know, you weren't gonna have time. 1709 01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,200 Speaker 1: But that's the whole same thing. Like this state in 1710 01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:58,920 Speaker 1: the wolves. I don't know if you've looked into much 1711 01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:03,320 Speaker 1: this thing recovery. The wolf recovery plan is absurd compared 1712 01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,840 Speaker 1: to the public ground we got versus the number of 1713 01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,000 Speaker 1: breeding pairs we have to have, plus the three year 1714 01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:13,160 Speaker 1: um wait time. It's like, we're why are objectives in 1715 01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,719 Speaker 1: this state so much higher than these other Western states 1716 01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,479 Speaker 1: that have way more public ground and way more you know. Uh. 1717 01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:21,280 Speaker 1: But even when they do hit it, someone's gonna block 1718 01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:25,200 Speaker 1: it because it's charismatic. Yeah, and they're like, oh, yeah, 1719 01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,439 Speaker 1: I turned it over. Then it act as though turning 1720 01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:31,680 Speaker 1: it over to state management is some outrageous idea, and 1721 01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,919 Speaker 1: you wanna be like, well, hold on a minute. Every 1722 01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:41,559 Speaker 1: other animal is state management. So Montana is managing what 1723 01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:45,439 Speaker 1: seven eight big game animals, all fur bearing animals. They're 1724 01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,840 Speaker 1: managing everything. People like, oh yeah, just turn it over 1725 01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,080 Speaker 1: to state management. That's absurds like, but they manage all 1726 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,200 Speaker 1: the game, they manage all the large carnivores. They're managing 1727 01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,000 Speaker 1: black bearers, they're managing mountain lions. They're on and off 1728 01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:02,040 Speaker 1: managing wolves, managing coyotes, managing by cats. It's not like 1729 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:08,240 Speaker 1: they don't have a grip on that's frustrating. I don't 1730 01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,640 Speaker 1: mean to take it away from game calls. What was 1731 01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,280 Speaker 1: your concluding thought that you like the looks of the 1732 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,800 Speaker 1: call gounty that's best. That's as much as you No, no, no, 1733 01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:20,719 Speaker 1: I didn't know. Now you got me thinking about you know, management. Yeah, 1734 01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,320 Speaker 1: we let's not get into that conversation right now. No, 1735 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,840 Speaker 1: but it's really something that just that I think people 1736 01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,759 Speaker 1: need to learn more about. They do, because I really 1737 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,880 Speaker 1: try to read both sides, you know, now, just like 1738 01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's been just so much written out there 1739 01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,439 Speaker 1: lately about like the Grizzly d listing and it really 1740 01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:43,400 Speaker 1: seems like at least everything I've read so far, and 1741 01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,880 Speaker 1: it's been probably a half dozen articles like against the delisting, 1742 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,960 Speaker 1: it's very unfounded and like and just you know, kind 1743 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,360 Speaker 1: of fanning the flames type of rhetoric where they're not 1744 01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,559 Speaker 1: really just laying out the facts there, like the only 1745 01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,719 Speaker 1: the only thing is gonna come from this do listing 1746 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:06,160 Speaker 1: is basically uncontrolled trophy hunting. And you're like, whoa, no, no, no, no, 1747 01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,400 Speaker 1: that's not how it works, bro, Like what you just 1748 01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:12,719 Speaker 1: said is completely alive. But yet because of the magazine 1749 01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,360 Speaker 1: you publish that in million people just read that. The 1750 01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,240 Speaker 1: most irresponsible one I've read was in a was in 1751 01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:24,280 Speaker 1: a think called publication Daily Beast. If you read that one, 1752 01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,360 Speaker 1: I was suprea as the guy that wrote that he 1753 01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,240 Speaker 1: keeps his job because he says in there that there's 1754 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,559 Speaker 1: no money, that the state doesn't have money to manage. 1755 01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,160 Speaker 1: And again you point out how many they manage all 1756 01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,840 Speaker 1: the animals, right, that they have no way of knowing 1757 01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,720 Speaker 1: how many get killed, which is absurd because you know 1758 01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:46,040 Speaker 1: how many tags the issue. It's like they know how 1759 01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:49,000 Speaker 1: many deer they're killing, you know, states killing thousands and 1760 01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,880 Speaker 1: thousands of deer, they know how many deer they kill 1761 01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,040 Speaker 1: through how many tags your issue, you do surveys, you 1762 01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,400 Speaker 1: do mandatory surveys, you have quota systems are in place, 1763 01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,880 Speaker 1: it's fine tuned. So he's like, they have no way 1764 01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,160 Speaker 1: of knowing how many Like that's absurd because they track 1765 01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:08,840 Speaker 1: all that stuff. They would be controlled hunt in our 1766 01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,080 Speaker 1: country then if there were to be a grizzly bear hunt. 1767 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:17,639 Speaker 1: And the other point that they misses all of these 1768 01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:22,719 Speaker 1: individuals and game agencies and conservation groups who have worked 1769 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:27,120 Speaker 1: so hard to get wolves and now grizzlies off the list. 1770 01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,479 Speaker 1: Don't you think that after you work that hard to 1771 01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,880 Speaker 1: get them delisted, the last thing you're gonna want is 1772 01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:38,719 Speaker 1: to have him back on the list. Who who's interest 1773 01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,439 Speaker 1: would be being served if if you hand it over 1774 01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:44,559 Speaker 1: to state management that the state would shoot them all 1775 01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,760 Speaker 1: out so they get put back on the list again. 1776 01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:53,840 Speaker 1: Who's interest? Like, who's motivated to do that? You spent 1777 01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:57,800 Speaker 1: forty years basically trying to recover the thing and then 1778 01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,920 Speaker 1: act like you're gonna blithely go out and shoot them 1779 01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:02,479 Speaker 1: all down so they get put back on the list 1780 01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,960 Speaker 1: for another fourty years. And like, if that's the motivation 1781 01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:11,320 Speaker 1: make any sense, you'd like to look at that game call, 1782 01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,439 Speaker 1: I do. I'm fired up to go turkey hunting. I'm stived, dude, 1783 01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm so excited about turkey hunt. Um, so you hunt 1784 01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:21,000 Speaker 1: turkeys besides Washington this year? I I you know, it's 1785 01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,160 Speaker 1: one of those and you know, kind of you started 1786 01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:24,519 Speaker 1: off with the whole. I don't even hit you with 1787 01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:28,080 Speaker 1: the It's just one of those things where I won't. 1788 01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,800 Speaker 1: You know, we've got three we have three species right here, 1789 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,080 Speaker 1: and and you know, we've got Easterns on the west side, 1790 01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,280 Speaker 1: We've got um, you know, Miriam's down in the south central, 1791 01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,160 Speaker 1: We've got Rio's down in the southeast, and we've got 1792 01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,880 Speaker 1: kind of a Merriam Rio mixed up in the northeast corner. 1793 01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,559 Speaker 1: We've got you know, a ton of the opportunity right 1794 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,439 Speaker 1: here close. So I typically don't travel more than you know, 1795 01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,720 Speaker 1: four or five hours across the state the turkey hid. Yeah, 1796 01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,360 Speaker 1: but you do good. Yeah, we've we've did really well, um, 1797 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,120 Speaker 1: really well. You got concluding thoughts. That's where you get 1798 01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,519 Speaker 1: a chance to say anything lasting on in mind first 1799 01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,280 Speaker 1: as mine, but you already had to change, so you 1800 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:06,800 Speaker 1: like the call. And then you've read some articles. I'm 1801 01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,240 Speaker 1: gonna conclude with I'm gonna get Annie, raised her out 1802 01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:13,240 Speaker 1: and change your mind because I think I've got Branney 1803 01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,920 Speaker 1: brothers coming along with us. It's I have like a 1804 01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,040 Speaker 1: two full plan because for me to help with my wife, 1805 01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,519 Speaker 1: someone's gonna stay in camp to tend to kids. So 1806 01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:24,360 Speaker 1: she's gonna come along and fill that, you know, void. 1807 01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna also take her out, you know, turkey hunting 1808 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,760 Speaker 1: a little bit, and then we'll coerce Annie to come 1809 01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,560 Speaker 1: along with us, and she'll next time she's on the podcast, 1810 01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,240 Speaker 1: she'll be here. So you have a whole pack of 1811 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:38,439 Speaker 1: ladies down there hunting turkeys. Good they call him, you 1812 01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,479 Speaker 1: teach them to call I haven't yet, but we've been talking. 1813 01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:43,960 Speaker 1: We need to do all that very soon. Shot go 1814 01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,760 Speaker 1: pattern shotguns and get them calling a little bit. You know. 1815 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,760 Speaker 1: Jason thought thoughts, Um, gon go out in left field here. 1816 01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:56,240 Speaker 1: You know, Um, I'm excited just to kind of see 1817 01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:58,800 Speaker 1: where this whole thing goes, and ultimately on my I've 1818 01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,559 Speaker 1: been you know, blessed um with the position to to 1819 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, maybe not it reach as many people as you, 1820 01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:07,280 Speaker 1: but I feel blessed um. I get the chance to 1821 01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,080 Speaker 1: to discuss and talk with a lot of people and 1822 01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,559 Speaker 1: influence a lot of people, um, you know through this 1823 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,640 Speaker 1: game coll avenue and ultimately you know, just trying to 1824 01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:16,479 Speaker 1: keep the keep the on the prize. Um. You know, 1825 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm I'm always thinking about my kids and my kids 1826 01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,120 Speaker 1: as kids, and you know, trying to leave this place 1827 01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:22,800 Speaker 1: so you know, and if I can, if I can 1828 01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,639 Speaker 1: influence or impact anybody from my position, you know, it's 1829 01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,360 Speaker 1: make sure we leave this place a better place for 1830 01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,880 Speaker 1: for all of our kids to hunt and have the opportunity. 1831 01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,400 Speaker 1: Especially um on the political front, that's where it's never 1832 01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,160 Speaker 1: gonna go away. I don't see it getting any better. 1833 01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:40,200 Speaker 1: So stay united. Um. You know, it's like I get 1834 01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:41,840 Speaker 1: so tired of hearing the archie hunters argue at the 1835 01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,439 Speaker 1: mostloader hunters argue with the rifle hunters and then you know, 1836 01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,200 Speaker 1: hitting each other, you know, pulling knives out of each 1837 01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,519 Speaker 1: other's backs, trying to you know, It's like it's just 1838 01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,000 Speaker 1: I always feel like we should, you know, focus our 1839 01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,400 Speaker 1: efforts elsewhere and you know, stand united. But said I 1840 01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,320 Speaker 1: arguing about whether it's better to do with the bow 1841 01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:00,160 Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, yeah, that's like I said, I kind 1842 01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,200 Speaker 1: of went out in left field. But that's kind of no. No, 1843 01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,760 Speaker 1: that's like that's a good closing thought. That's that's that's 1844 01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:10,440 Speaker 1: a closing thoughts before. So my closing thought is, uh, 1845 01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:15,160 Speaker 1: the thing I've always liked about the world of hunting 1846 01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:19,800 Speaker 1: in the world of fishing is how yeah, it really 1847 01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:25,600 Speaker 1: invites so many people, um just to be inventive and 1848 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,840 Speaker 1: like just make stuff, you know what I mean. Like 1849 01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,000 Speaker 1: even growing up like I grew up around old guys, 1850 01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,439 Speaker 1: they'd like make their own bucket scalers and guys would 1851 01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,200 Speaker 1: make their own rods and tie their own stuff. And 1852 01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:37,720 Speaker 1: then you kind of get good at it and get 1853 01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,080 Speaker 1: a knack for it. Precon you're selling a couple of things. 1854 01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,840 Speaker 1: It's just like this funny little it's like such a 1855 01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:50,240 Speaker 1: great economy of entrepreneurs and you know, just kind of 1856 01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,080 Speaker 1: like American elbow Greeks man, you know, like just people 1857 01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:55,280 Speaker 1: getting in there and and and making stuff. And it's 1858 01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,040 Speaker 1: it kind of comes from people who are out in 1859 01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,320 Speaker 1: the woods and on the water all the time and 1860 01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,320 Speaker 1: they're messing around with their gear and they're like, man, this, 1861 01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, if I made this, I'd make it this way, 1862 01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:06,760 Speaker 1: or I'd make it a little bit better, and just 1863 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,840 Speaker 1: like that constant cycle of invention and and and doing stuff. 1864 01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,280 Speaker 1: It's just fun that uh the way the way hunting 1865 01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:17,400 Speaker 1: and fishing, uh really invite people to get in there 1866 01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,960 Speaker 1: and and and be craftsman, you know, because there's a 1867 01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,160 Speaker 1: lot of stuff in your house, just like things you 1868 01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:25,559 Speaker 1: might do in your world where you just don't have 1869 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:30,760 Speaker 1: the garage tinkers, you know, like you do in this world. Man. 1870 01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,000 Speaker 1: It's just it's it's funny. It So you imagine in 1871 01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,360 Speaker 1: the old days people just sit around and everybody would 1872 01:31:35,439 --> 01:31:37,760 Speaker 1: nap their own arrowheads, you know, And it's kind of 1873 01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:39,519 Speaker 1: like that to see people out there just like making 1874 01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,960 Speaker 1: hunting gear, you know, trying to do something a little 1875 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,320 Speaker 1: bit better, and you can just get in there and 1876 01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,960 Speaker 1: do it and just on your own and in your case, 1877 01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,800 Speaker 1: getting there and do it and make a business out 1878 01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:51,280 Speaker 1: of it. It's fun, man, It's a fun world. So yeah, 1879 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:52,960 Speaker 1: good luck to the I mean good luck to you 1880 01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,120 Speaker 1: making the calls. So it's cool to get a chance 1881 01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:57,599 Speaker 1: to me because I you know, I've been wailing on 1882 01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,200 Speaker 1: some of these calls for a couple of years. I've 1883 01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,280 Speaker 1: never got a chance to talk with you. So yeah, 1884 01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,799 Speaker 1: well we'll get you loaded up before you head to Mexico. 1885 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:10,040 Speaker 1: All right, thanks for having me, thanks for listening, and 1886 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:38,320 Speaker 1: everyone to take care. M