1 00:00:15,476 --> 00:00:15,956 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:20,316 --> 00:00:23,436 Speaker 2: Mya Hawk first became known to audiences as an actress, 3 00:00:23,796 --> 00:00:26,796 Speaker 2: especially through her work in Stranger Things and in film, 4 00:00:27,236 --> 00:00:29,556 Speaker 2: but she's been quietly building in parallel life as a 5 00:00:29,596 --> 00:00:33,316 Speaker 2: songwriter of genuine depth. Since her debut album Blush in 6 00:00:33,356 --> 00:00:37,556 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, she's released four records that are ever more reflective. 7 00:00:38,156 --> 00:00:41,676 Speaker 2: By Treya Corso, her fourth album arrives at a formative 8 00:00:41,676 --> 00:00:45,156 Speaker 2: moment in Hawk's life, following her marriage to longtime musical 9 00:00:45,156 --> 00:00:49,836 Speaker 2: collaborator Christian Lee Hudson. The album's built around a central 10 00:00:49,876 --> 00:00:53,316 Speaker 2: persona named my Trea Corso, who serves as a conduit 11 00:00:53,356 --> 00:00:57,636 Speaker 2: for exploring themes of ego, ambition, and creation. Recorded in 12 00:00:57,676 --> 00:01:00,316 Speaker 2: Woodstock in New York City late last year, the album's 13 00:01:00,356 --> 00:01:04,036 Speaker 2: co produced by Hudson and Jonathan Lowe, with album's artwork 14 00:01:04,076 --> 00:01:08,476 Speaker 2: taken from watercolor paintings made by Maya herself. On today's episode, 15 00:01:08,516 --> 00:01:11,236 Speaker 2: recorded live from South by Southwest, I sat down with 16 00:01:11,276 --> 00:01:14,036 Speaker 2: Maya Hawk and husband and co producer Christian Lee Hudson 17 00:01:14,196 --> 00:01:17,676 Speaker 2: to talk about the making of My Treo Corso. Together, 18 00:01:17,716 --> 00:01:20,396 Speaker 2: they reflect on the development of their artistic lives separately, 19 00:01:20,756 --> 00:01:24,076 Speaker 2: Maya and New York and Christian mostly in LA, but 20 00:01:24,156 --> 00:01:26,156 Speaker 2: also what it's like to come together as partners in 21 00:01:26,196 --> 00:01:33,396 Speaker 2: life as well as music. This is broken record, real musicians, 22 00:01:33,636 --> 00:01:42,356 Speaker 2: real conversations. Here's my interview with Maya Hawk and Christian 23 00:01:42,436 --> 00:01:47,036 Speaker 2: Lee Hudson live from south By, Southwest, Hi. 24 00:01:47,636 --> 00:01:55,196 Speaker 3: All right, thanks for having. 25 00:01:54,996 --> 00:01:57,476 Speaker 2: Us, No, thanks for coming, Thanks for being here. It's 26 00:01:57,476 --> 00:02:00,116 Speaker 2: cool to be in Austin and south By Southwest. 27 00:02:00,196 --> 00:02:00,956 Speaker 3: It certainly is. 28 00:02:01,156 --> 00:02:02,556 Speaker 1: This is one of my I think I'm out on 29 00:02:02,596 --> 00:02:03,076 Speaker 1: the flight here. 30 00:02:03,116 --> 00:02:07,156 Speaker 2: There's like five American cities that feel like they have 31 00:02:07,196 --> 00:02:09,356 Speaker 2: their own internal logic different from any other. 32 00:02:09,556 --> 00:02:10,396 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't feel like that. 33 00:02:10,596 --> 00:02:12,796 Speaker 2: It's not better then, it's just very different than any 34 00:02:12,836 --> 00:02:16,996 Speaker 2: other part of America. New Orleans feels that way. New 35 00:02:17,076 --> 00:02:20,756 Speaker 2: York feels that way. I would throw LA in the 36 00:02:20,796 --> 00:02:23,556 Speaker 2: Bay or the LA Area, the Bay Area in Austin, 37 00:02:23,636 --> 00:02:26,396 Speaker 2: you know, I feel like, just completely their own unique. 38 00:02:27,156 --> 00:02:28,916 Speaker 3: Chicago's kind of unique. 39 00:02:28,556 --> 00:02:33,636 Speaker 2: Too, are Chicago? And would agree, Yeah, you know what 40 00:02:33,836 --> 00:02:36,236 Speaker 2: that that is true? That is true, and it has 41 00:02:36,876 --> 00:02:37,956 Speaker 2: it certainly has a history. 42 00:02:38,036 --> 00:02:39,036 Speaker 1: All those other cities do. 43 00:02:39,236 --> 00:02:42,036 Speaker 2: So I wouldn't. I wouldn't take that. How did you, guys, 44 00:02:42,076 --> 00:02:43,716 Speaker 2: just musical connections start? 45 00:02:43,756 --> 00:02:45,836 Speaker 1: What where? How did you guys start playing. 46 00:02:45,556 --> 00:02:48,396 Speaker 3: Together via email, so I was going to say, yeah, 47 00:02:48,436 --> 00:02:52,356 Speaker 3: the Postal Service, we yeah, exactly. We have a mutual 48 00:02:52,396 --> 00:02:56,556 Speaker 3: friend named Benjaminlizzard Davis who produced my second record, Moss, 49 00:02:56,596 --> 00:03:02,356 Speaker 3: and played bass on my first record, and he knew 50 00:03:02,436 --> 00:03:04,556 Speaker 3: Christian from working on Aquaville River. 51 00:03:05,116 --> 00:03:08,716 Speaker 1: Right exactly, which which you I which? 52 00:03:08,716 --> 00:03:10,916 Speaker 4: I did a tour with them and just met the 53 00:03:10,996 --> 00:03:15,156 Speaker 4: band kind of and then the guy Will the songwriter 54 00:03:15,236 --> 00:03:17,676 Speaker 4: and I wrote a few songs together cool. 55 00:03:17,636 --> 00:03:20,156 Speaker 1: And Benjamin joined them. That's he's a member. 56 00:03:20,196 --> 00:03:22,076 Speaker 5: Now he's like on again. 57 00:03:22,356 --> 00:03:24,916 Speaker 4: It's like one of those bands like Bright Eyes, where 58 00:03:24,916 --> 00:03:26,516 Speaker 4: it's like who is the members of it? 59 00:03:26,596 --> 00:03:29,156 Speaker 5: I don't know any who? Who's who? Round right? 60 00:03:29,236 --> 00:03:29,356 Speaker 1: Right? 61 00:03:29,436 --> 00:03:29,636 Speaker 2: Yeah? 62 00:03:29,756 --> 00:03:29,956 Speaker 1: Right? 63 00:03:30,036 --> 00:03:30,236 Speaker 5: Yeah? 64 00:03:30,356 --> 00:03:30,876 Speaker 1: Collective? 65 00:03:31,076 --> 00:03:34,196 Speaker 3: But Will and Ben were on that tour. Will is 66 00:03:34,196 --> 00:03:36,676 Speaker 3: obviously Akuaville rover, but then there's another Will will Graffe 67 00:03:36,716 --> 00:03:39,556 Speaker 3: who's also been playing with me since I started who 68 00:03:39,716 --> 00:03:42,076 Speaker 3: We were on that tour with Christian And then I 69 00:03:42,116 --> 00:03:43,996 Speaker 3: asked Ben to work on this record with me, or 70 00:03:44,036 --> 00:03:46,796 Speaker 3: really to work on an EP. And then all of 71 00:03:46,796 --> 00:03:49,236 Speaker 3: a sudden, I had like nine more days off of 72 00:03:49,276 --> 00:03:51,396 Speaker 3: Stranger Things than I was supposed to have and was like, 73 00:03:51,396 --> 00:03:53,156 Speaker 3: what if instead of making an EP. We made a 74 00:03:53,236 --> 00:03:55,556 Speaker 3: record because we've got some extra time. So then we 75 00:03:55,596 --> 00:03:58,836 Speaker 3: had like two months to write six more songs. And 76 00:03:58,996 --> 00:04:02,396 Speaker 3: I was sending Ben and Will like poems every single 77 00:04:02,476 --> 00:04:05,556 Speaker 3: day and they were, I think, drowning in poems with 78 00:04:05,636 --> 00:04:07,636 Speaker 3: which to put music to, and they were and Ben 79 00:04:07,716 --> 00:04:09,916 Speaker 3: was like, can I send some of your music to 80 00:04:09,956 --> 00:04:11,836 Speaker 3: Can I send one of your poems to Christian? And 81 00:04:11,876 --> 00:04:14,116 Speaker 3: I never responded to the email, and then I got 82 00:04:14,156 --> 00:04:16,596 Speaker 3: an email from the purpose like no, I just am 83 00:04:16,596 --> 00:04:20,716 Speaker 3: bad at my email and uh, and I never responded 84 00:04:20,716 --> 00:04:23,156 Speaker 3: and then I got an email from Christian mean I 85 00:04:23,196 --> 00:04:26,196 Speaker 3: got your poem. And then I was so embarrassed because 86 00:04:26,196 --> 00:04:28,996 Speaker 3: I was a big fan of Christians and was like, 87 00:04:29,316 --> 00:04:31,956 Speaker 3: oh no, oh that poem that was just a first draft. 88 00:04:32,076 --> 00:04:34,276 Speaker 3: Please let me send you an editor. Don't work on 89 00:04:34,436 --> 00:04:37,636 Speaker 3: that yet. But we've gone back since and like read 90 00:04:38,316 --> 00:04:43,116 Speaker 3: those early emails and they're actually very sweet and they're awesome. Yeah, 91 00:04:43,156 --> 00:04:43,596 Speaker 3: they're awesome. 92 00:04:43,596 --> 00:04:45,756 Speaker 5: So that's how he was a great first poem too. 93 00:04:46,076 --> 00:04:48,196 Speaker 5: I wouldn't. I was like, this is awesome. 94 00:04:48,636 --> 00:04:52,196 Speaker 4: Ben sends crazy emails and that was a really good one. 95 00:04:52,076 --> 00:04:55,516 Speaker 2: Because good, yeah, yeah for you did it feel like 96 00:04:55,636 --> 00:04:58,636 Speaker 2: this is maybe like the idea of it, like you're okay, 97 00:04:58,636 --> 00:05:02,716 Speaker 2: you're going to get these poems in some form and 98 00:05:03,236 --> 00:05:05,196 Speaker 2: write to them. Is that is that like a typical 99 00:05:06,556 --> 00:05:08,396 Speaker 2: process for you or did that feel like were you 100 00:05:08,436 --> 00:05:11,796 Speaker 2: surprised by how he's easy or natural? 101 00:05:11,876 --> 00:05:16,956 Speaker 4: That process was kind of I mean I was writing. 102 00:05:17,556 --> 00:05:19,276 Speaker 4: I like to write in a lot of different ways, 103 00:05:19,276 --> 00:05:21,076 Speaker 4: and that was a really fun way to be. Like, 104 00:05:22,396 --> 00:05:24,156 Speaker 4: you know, sometimes you'll go in a room and someone 105 00:05:24,236 --> 00:05:28,556 Speaker 4: has like seventy five percent of a song and you're like, cool, 106 00:05:28,636 --> 00:05:31,276 Speaker 4: I'm just gonna throw out some like ideas for the 107 00:05:31,316 --> 00:05:33,756 Speaker 4: last twenty five percent and there this was a fun 108 00:05:33,756 --> 00:05:36,156 Speaker 4: way to just be like this has no music and 109 00:05:36,276 --> 00:05:38,796 Speaker 4: no you get to decide what the rules are because 110 00:05:39,236 --> 00:05:42,476 Speaker 4: it's also COVID. Yeah, so I was just sitting in 111 00:05:42,516 --> 00:05:45,996 Speaker 4: my closet like with my guitar being trying to figure 112 00:05:46,036 --> 00:05:47,956 Speaker 4: out how to what made the most sense out of 113 00:05:47,996 --> 00:05:50,956 Speaker 4: the things. So it was different and fun and immediately 114 00:05:50,956 --> 00:05:52,356 Speaker 4: I was like, send me another poem. 115 00:05:52,876 --> 00:05:55,196 Speaker 3: Yeah, And then we had really a lot of fun 116 00:05:55,276 --> 00:05:57,156 Speaker 3: and we met kind of making that record. 117 00:05:57,756 --> 00:05:58,516 Speaker 1: It's incredible. 118 00:05:59,916 --> 00:06:01,836 Speaker 2: I want to get back to just sort of the 119 00:06:01,876 --> 00:06:04,516 Speaker 2: evolution of how you guys got to the latest record. 120 00:06:05,036 --> 00:06:08,956 Speaker 2: But I mean, it's interesting because you or maybe maybe 121 00:06:08,956 --> 00:06:11,036 Speaker 2: I'm wrong, but I'm just gonna say this, you're not 122 00:06:11,116 --> 00:06:14,036 Speaker 2: primarily like a songwriter or you were new to it 123 00:06:14,076 --> 00:06:15,236 Speaker 2: at the time, right right. 124 00:06:15,836 --> 00:06:18,836 Speaker 4: I would argue with that, I would, but I would say, 125 00:06:18,836 --> 00:06:21,636 Speaker 4: but I don't just maybe it's let. 126 00:06:21,556 --> 00:06:22,036 Speaker 5: You up here. 127 00:06:22,156 --> 00:06:26,516 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say that is constantly writing songs. 128 00:06:26,556 --> 00:06:28,756 Speaker 5: She writes songs every single day. 129 00:06:28,836 --> 00:06:31,116 Speaker 6: She is a naturally in the form of like in 130 00:06:31,156 --> 00:06:34,636 Speaker 6: the absolutely I feel like before I like I am 131 00:06:34,636 --> 00:06:38,556 Speaker 6: even awake, there's like a full, like a complete song 132 00:06:38,636 --> 00:06:40,836 Speaker 6: that I'm just like, what the fuck is this? 133 00:06:41,236 --> 00:06:43,316 Speaker 3: Well, okay, What I will say is that a big 134 00:06:43,356 --> 00:06:46,996 Speaker 3: part of what's happened in my own musical evolution, so 135 00:06:47,076 --> 00:06:50,516 Speaker 3: to speak, is that Christian, when we worked on Moss together, 136 00:06:50,676 --> 00:06:55,316 Speaker 3: was so encouraging and was so like, well, actually show me, 137 00:06:55,396 --> 00:06:57,756 Speaker 3: like when you wrote this poem, what music did you imagine? 138 00:06:58,196 --> 00:06:59,916 Speaker 3: And I would play it for him and you'd be like, wait, 139 00:06:59,956 --> 00:07:00,516 Speaker 3: that's good. 140 00:07:00,956 --> 00:07:01,516 Speaker 1: What do you like? 141 00:07:01,596 --> 00:07:04,356 Speaker 3: Why didn't we do that? And I was like, no, 142 00:07:04,396 --> 00:07:08,076 Speaker 3: it's not, it's trash. Because I was a very fortunate 143 00:07:08,276 --> 00:07:10,996 Speaker 3: young person who who was around artists my whole life. 144 00:07:11,036 --> 00:07:12,996 Speaker 3: And around amazing musicians my whole life, and people that 145 00:07:13,036 --> 00:07:16,596 Speaker 3: were so good at guitar and piano that it felt 146 00:07:16,676 --> 00:07:19,236 Speaker 3: embarrassing to pick up an instrument in front of them, 147 00:07:19,356 --> 00:07:22,716 Speaker 3: you know, and who were such extraordinary composers and instrumentalists 148 00:07:22,756 --> 00:07:24,916 Speaker 3: that it didn't feel like I had anything to offer. 149 00:07:24,956 --> 00:07:27,476 Speaker 3: And Christian was kind of the person that entered my 150 00:07:27,556 --> 00:07:30,876 Speaker 3: life and was like, you have something to offer, because 151 00:07:30,916 --> 00:07:33,236 Speaker 3: it is you that is offering it. It's not about 152 00:07:33,276 --> 00:07:38,156 Speaker 3: the jazz school. It's about the nature of your heart 153 00:07:38,716 --> 00:07:41,116 Speaker 3: and like the truth that you know the music and 154 00:07:41,156 --> 00:07:43,676 Speaker 3: the words and how they combined. And so that sort 155 00:07:43,716 --> 00:07:48,956 Speaker 3: of encouragement working on Moss kind of created Chaos Angel 156 00:07:48,996 --> 00:07:51,636 Speaker 3: in a lot of ways because that was a product 157 00:07:51,676 --> 00:07:53,796 Speaker 3: of me being like, oh, I can incorporate my own 158 00:07:53,836 --> 00:07:55,356 Speaker 3: melodies and I can write music. 159 00:07:55,596 --> 00:07:57,996 Speaker 1: And that was your third album. 160 00:07:58,036 --> 00:08:00,156 Speaker 2: So by the time you did your third album, you 161 00:08:00,196 --> 00:08:02,676 Speaker 2: did start to have more confidence in yourself as a 162 00:08:02,716 --> 00:08:05,596 Speaker 2: person who is writing songs. 163 00:08:06,036 --> 00:08:09,436 Speaker 3: Absolutely and I and like, which isn't say that I 164 00:08:09,436 --> 00:08:11,516 Speaker 3: wrote them by myself. I didn't at all, but I 165 00:08:11,556 --> 00:08:13,476 Speaker 3: would instead of coming to the table with just a 166 00:08:13,476 --> 00:08:15,116 Speaker 3: piece of paper with words on it, I would come 167 00:08:15,156 --> 00:08:18,156 Speaker 3: to the table being like, this is what I've been playing, Like, 168 00:08:18,276 --> 00:08:20,596 Speaker 3: what do you think? I really like this chorus, but 169 00:08:20,636 --> 00:08:22,996 Speaker 3: the verse melody sucks. Let's make it better. You know, 170 00:08:23,316 --> 00:08:25,396 Speaker 3: it was a sort of more. Wouldn't you say that 171 00:08:25,396 --> 00:08:27,276 Speaker 3: that's an accurate description of the vibe. 172 00:08:27,916 --> 00:08:31,116 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a really accurate description. I think 173 00:08:31,316 --> 00:08:35,276 Speaker 4: that you like chronically underestimate what because most of the. 174 00:08:35,276 --> 00:08:36,916 Speaker 3: Musical you're working on it. 175 00:08:37,156 --> 00:08:39,756 Speaker 5: I know most of the musical ideas that you have. 176 00:08:39,796 --> 00:08:44,036 Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, this is so fucking heady and trippy, and. 177 00:08:44,516 --> 00:08:47,396 Speaker 3: There's a certain maginner's mind when you don't know, like 178 00:08:47,636 --> 00:08:50,196 Speaker 3: what the rules are, you don't know that you're breaking. 179 00:08:49,916 --> 00:08:53,236 Speaker 5: Them in a way very very good underc I am. 180 00:08:53,236 --> 00:08:55,916 Speaker 3: Very good at turning a compliment into an insult. It's 181 00:08:56,196 --> 00:08:58,596 Speaker 3: it's truly makes me wonderful to be around. 182 00:08:58,916 --> 00:08:59,196 Speaker 1: That is. 183 00:09:00,476 --> 00:09:02,716 Speaker 3: I'll be like, oh, so you're saying I look beautiful 184 00:09:02,716 --> 00:09:05,516 Speaker 3: by what you mean, I'm dumb? You know, It's like, really, 185 00:09:05,716 --> 00:09:08,556 Speaker 3: I'm you know, it's really there's a lot of fun 186 00:09:08,596 --> 00:09:10,076 Speaker 3: ways to sentence. 187 00:09:09,956 --> 00:09:13,996 Speaker 1: Really convoluted to go from. 188 00:09:12,676 --> 00:09:16,036 Speaker 3: You I'm a pleasure you are actually? 189 00:09:16,116 --> 00:09:16,316 Speaker 5: Yeah? 190 00:09:17,236 --> 00:09:19,236 Speaker 2: Is the inverse true? Like if someone says you're smart. 191 00:09:19,236 --> 00:09:20,956 Speaker 2: Do you feel like, well, why aren't you complimentary? 192 00:09:20,956 --> 00:09:21,996 Speaker 3: Come on, aren't I beautiful? 193 00:09:22,076 --> 00:09:23,916 Speaker 1: Yeah? What do you mean? 194 00:09:23,996 --> 00:09:24,636 Speaker 3: I'm smart? 195 00:09:24,676 --> 00:09:25,476 Speaker 1: Do you know what I think about this? 196 00:09:25,996 --> 00:09:26,916 Speaker 3: So you're saying I'm ugly? 197 00:09:27,236 --> 00:09:28,156 Speaker 1: I have three daughters. 198 00:09:28,356 --> 00:09:30,356 Speaker 2: Yeah, well one's a baby so that she doesn't really count, 199 00:09:30,356 --> 00:09:32,516 Speaker 2: but I have so two daughters are sentient in the 200 00:09:32,556 --> 00:09:34,196 Speaker 2: sense of they can understand what I'm saying. 201 00:09:34,236 --> 00:09:37,516 Speaker 1: I can kind of screw them up or or or or. 202 00:09:37,596 --> 00:09:39,796 Speaker 2: Maybe set them up for some sort of you know, 203 00:09:40,076 --> 00:09:43,516 Speaker 2: healthy life, you know, And I'm always like, oh, wow, 204 00:09:43,556 --> 00:09:44,996 Speaker 2: you look so beautiful. I'm like, oh, yeah, but you're 205 00:09:45,036 --> 00:09:47,076 Speaker 2: smart too, Like how was he like? Fuck, I shouldn't 206 00:09:47,076 --> 00:09:48,756 Speaker 2: have just said that. I'll be like, oh, you're so smart, 207 00:09:48,756 --> 00:09:49,876 Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, I don't want her to think 208 00:09:49,876 --> 00:09:50,156 Speaker 2: she's just. 209 00:09:50,156 --> 00:09:52,396 Speaker 1: Like a nerd. Oh you're beautiful too, And I don't know. 210 00:09:52,556 --> 00:09:52,916 Speaker 1: I don't know. 211 00:09:52,916 --> 00:09:56,436 Speaker 2: I'm very neurotic about like balancing any compliment I make 212 00:09:56,476 --> 00:09:56,716 Speaker 2: with him. 213 00:09:57,036 --> 00:09:59,596 Speaker 3: Yeah, being a woman sucks, you know. I mean there's 214 00:09:59,676 --> 00:10:01,916 Speaker 3: just like it's like there's just like it's all bad. 215 00:10:02,076 --> 00:10:05,876 Speaker 3: Oh don't clap for that. No, it's okay, but like 216 00:10:05,996 --> 00:10:08,436 Speaker 3: it's all bad. But I will. I think as long 217 00:10:08,476 --> 00:10:11,476 Speaker 3: as neither one is that heavy, you know, I mean, 218 00:10:11,516 --> 00:10:13,356 Speaker 3: smart can be heavy. But I think it's just all 219 00:10:13,396 --> 00:10:16,596 Speaker 3: about like, Yeah, it's not about what your parents says. 220 00:10:17,116 --> 00:10:19,836 Speaker 3: It's about what you think they value about you. Yeah, 221 00:10:19,876 --> 00:10:22,716 Speaker 3: and like, And I think that kind of extends more broadly. 222 00:10:22,996 --> 00:10:25,076 Speaker 3: You know, your partner or your friends. It's not about 223 00:10:25,076 --> 00:10:26,516 Speaker 3: what they say to you. Like your best friend can 224 00:10:26,556 --> 00:10:28,076 Speaker 3: be like, you're such a match, and you'll be like, 225 00:10:28,356 --> 00:10:30,916 Speaker 3: I know, you know, but like that, and that's a 226 00:10:30,956 --> 00:10:33,836 Speaker 3: wonderful and it's a compliment. And so it's it's never 227 00:10:33,876 --> 00:10:35,676 Speaker 3: about what the words are. I think it's always about 228 00:10:35,676 --> 00:10:39,796 Speaker 3: the feeling behind the words. When it comes to intimate relationships. 229 00:10:39,316 --> 00:10:42,116 Speaker 1: Yes, the intents, the intent or perceived intent. 230 00:10:42,196 --> 00:10:45,956 Speaker 3: At least in terms of when there's intimacy, it's about intent. Yes, 231 00:10:46,076 --> 00:10:48,316 Speaker 3: when it's a stranger, it's about what you said. 232 00:10:48,636 --> 00:10:51,156 Speaker 1: I think generally right, Yes, that does make sense. 233 00:10:51,156 --> 00:10:52,676 Speaker 2: I mean I hadn't really thought about it or broke 234 00:10:52,676 --> 00:10:55,036 Speaker 2: it down the way, but I think that's probably accurate. 235 00:10:55,116 --> 00:10:55,876 Speaker 5: Yeah. 236 00:10:56,236 --> 00:11:00,556 Speaker 2: I'm curious about because you both are really you know, 237 00:11:01,516 --> 00:11:05,396 Speaker 2: potent artists and engaged artists who have had different paths, 238 00:11:05,596 --> 00:11:07,036 Speaker 2: you know, each have had your different path and they've 239 00:11:07,116 --> 00:11:10,236 Speaker 2: kind of converged in this way. But what was your 240 00:11:10,276 --> 00:11:12,476 Speaker 2: experience with the arts growing up? Like, what was your 241 00:11:12,476 --> 00:11:15,876 Speaker 2: relationship with it both in terms of how was it 242 00:11:15,916 --> 00:11:16,996 Speaker 2: introduced to you and then how. 243 00:11:16,836 --> 00:11:18,796 Speaker 1: Did it sort of evolve on your own. 244 00:11:18,836 --> 00:11:20,956 Speaker 2: How did it become something that you sort of took 245 00:11:21,516 --> 00:11:23,556 Speaker 2: ownership of and felt like, well, this is like for me, 246 00:11:24,116 --> 00:11:25,796 Speaker 2: Like I grew up with a lot of I grew 247 00:11:25,876 --> 00:11:27,916 Speaker 2: up with my grandma who was from Detroit, So I 248 00:11:27,956 --> 00:11:29,556 Speaker 2: just grew up in Motown in the house, and I 249 00:11:29,556 --> 00:11:31,516 Speaker 2: thought to the point I thought it was new music. 250 00:11:31,716 --> 00:11:33,236 Speaker 2: But then I got to junior high, I got into 251 00:11:33,276 --> 00:11:35,316 Speaker 2: skateboarding and I was like, oh, the Ramones, like that's 252 00:11:35,356 --> 00:11:39,076 Speaker 2: my music, you know, and that sort of and then 253 00:11:39,116 --> 00:11:42,236 Speaker 2: you circle bas circle back at some point to Motown. 254 00:11:42,276 --> 00:11:44,516 Speaker 2: But I did, at some point sort to forge my 255 00:11:44,596 --> 00:11:49,436 Speaker 2: own identity and art outside of whatever my family thought. 256 00:11:49,836 --> 00:11:52,636 Speaker 2: We we're kind of curious how you guys, What do 257 00:11:52,636 --> 00:11:54,636 Speaker 2: you guys came up with and how you guys started 258 00:11:54,756 --> 00:11:58,756 Speaker 2: what music and art sorted to be formative in your 259 00:11:58,756 --> 00:11:59,876 Speaker 2: own sort of identity. 260 00:12:00,196 --> 00:12:01,956 Speaker 3: I'm going to set you up, and I'm going to 261 00:12:01,996 --> 00:12:04,036 Speaker 3: set you up by saying that I think that we 262 00:12:04,236 --> 00:12:08,316 Speaker 3: know positive like you see it positive, like just one. 263 00:12:08,356 --> 00:12:11,236 Speaker 3: I think the thing is cool about our friendship and 264 00:12:11,476 --> 00:12:16,116 Speaker 3: collaboration is that we had really different experiences. Like I 265 00:12:16,276 --> 00:12:19,476 Speaker 3: was drowned in the arts, and I think Christian really 266 00:12:19,516 --> 00:12:21,596 Speaker 3: had to find it on his own. 267 00:12:22,396 --> 00:12:22,796 Speaker 5: I didn't. 268 00:12:22,876 --> 00:12:24,996 Speaker 4: I don't know if if somebody said the arts when 269 00:12:25,036 --> 00:12:26,316 Speaker 4: I was a kid, I don't know if I would 270 00:12:26,396 --> 00:12:28,556 Speaker 4: know what they were talking about. Really, there was no 271 00:12:28,796 --> 00:12:32,316 Speaker 4: like art in my life there, but there was. Weirdly, 272 00:12:32,396 --> 00:12:34,596 Speaker 4: there was Motown like a lot of My grandmother was 273 00:12:34,636 --> 00:12:37,476 Speaker 4: a record collector, but like didn't talk about the arts. 274 00:12:37,556 --> 00:12:41,636 Speaker 4: She just grew up in Chattanooga and like was loved 275 00:12:42,316 --> 00:12:45,676 Speaker 4: getting Stax records and Motown records and showed me all 276 00:12:45,716 --> 00:12:47,596 Speaker 4: of that and and. 277 00:12:47,556 --> 00:12:50,476 Speaker 5: I did that take. Absolutely. I was obsessed with it. 278 00:12:50,516 --> 00:12:52,796 Speaker 4: But I also thought it was new music, which was 279 00:12:52,876 --> 00:12:54,596 Speaker 4: very funny because I would like take it to school 280 00:12:54,716 --> 00:12:57,676 Speaker 4: and it was like wow, no one kind of knew 281 00:12:57,676 --> 00:12:59,076 Speaker 4: what I was talking about, like, oh, yeah, it's a 282 00:12:59,116 --> 00:13:01,836 Speaker 4: song from like remember the Titans or something or whatever, 283 00:13:02,356 --> 00:13:06,036 Speaker 4: and yeah, so I didn't really know about it. And 284 00:13:06,116 --> 00:13:09,356 Speaker 4: when I was like a teenager and there was an 285 00:13:09,436 --> 00:13:12,036 Speaker 4: arts program in school. I went to like a fundamentalist 286 00:13:12,076 --> 00:13:14,996 Speaker 4: Christian school where there was like art was like I 287 00:13:15,036 --> 00:13:18,516 Speaker 4: don't know, it's like a poem about Jesus maybe or something. 288 00:13:18,596 --> 00:13:21,556 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, versus. 289 00:13:21,556 --> 00:13:23,836 Speaker 3: I went to a high school where, not while I 290 00:13:23,956 --> 00:13:26,676 Speaker 3: was there, but in its origin, the headmaster used to 291 00:13:26,676 --> 00:13:28,596 Speaker 3: take parents on school tours and say that if the 292 00:13:28,596 --> 00:13:30,916 Speaker 3: students didn't have interracial sex and tried to at least 293 00:13:30,916 --> 00:13:33,396 Speaker 3: three different drugs before they graduated, he would consider himself 294 00:13:33,396 --> 00:13:33,876 Speaker 3: a failure. 295 00:13:34,516 --> 00:13:36,916 Speaker 5: So yeah, I had a very different headmaster. 296 00:13:37,276 --> 00:13:40,476 Speaker 4: It's very different priorities than you, really different priorities. 297 00:13:40,836 --> 00:13:43,596 Speaker 3: You know, he had his own issues Stanley Bosworth. But 298 00:13:43,676 --> 00:13:46,556 Speaker 3: what I mean to say generally is that I I 299 00:13:47,316 --> 00:13:51,156 Speaker 3: really was just like the arts seemed like the main option. 300 00:13:51,796 --> 00:13:55,116 Speaker 3: Like I kind of remember meeting people with other jobs 301 00:13:55,156 --> 00:13:57,436 Speaker 3: and being like what do you do and people would 302 00:13:57,436 --> 00:14:02,276 Speaker 3: tell me to be like why you know, and and 303 00:14:02,596 --> 00:14:04,836 Speaker 3: just like you know, a normal thing to do every 304 00:14:04,836 --> 00:14:07,156 Speaker 3: weekend was go to the Metropolitan Museum r of Art 305 00:14:07,236 --> 00:14:09,476 Speaker 3: and like go to the Nutcracker. Like it was just 306 00:14:09,516 --> 00:14:15,436 Speaker 3: like everything was art and music and film and storytelling 307 00:14:15,476 --> 00:14:19,676 Speaker 3: and so it's something really cool about getting to work 308 00:14:19,716 --> 00:14:24,036 Speaker 3: with you is to kind of combine this like art 309 00:14:24,116 --> 00:14:27,596 Speaker 3: as revenge and art as identity that I feel like 310 00:14:27,676 --> 00:14:31,356 Speaker 3: you hold where like I couldn't rebel by being an artist. 311 00:14:31,836 --> 00:14:34,476 Speaker 3: That was not a rebellion for me, true, but it 312 00:14:34,596 --> 00:14:37,676 Speaker 3: was for you. And I feel like I love getting 313 00:14:37,676 --> 00:14:40,116 Speaker 3: to like bring the feeling of like, no art is everywhere, 314 00:14:40,196 --> 00:14:42,796 Speaker 3: art is everything, and you can bring the like art 315 00:14:42,876 --> 00:14:45,756 Speaker 3: is rebellion, art is crazy, and we can kind of 316 00:14:45,796 --> 00:14:47,876 Speaker 3: combine that in a way that feels really cool. 317 00:14:47,996 --> 00:14:50,116 Speaker 2: Yeah, growing up in I mean, like you said, you 318 00:14:50,156 --> 00:14:52,316 Speaker 2: grew up steep in the arts and in New York City, 319 00:14:52,716 --> 00:14:55,236 Speaker 2: so like art probably has to go pretty far for 320 00:14:55,316 --> 00:14:57,916 Speaker 2: you to feel like it's rebellious. 321 00:14:57,396 --> 00:15:01,596 Speaker 3: Right, I Mean this walks us down a whole new 322 00:15:01,676 --> 00:15:03,476 Speaker 3: rabbit hole that we could talk about forever, which is like, 323 00:15:03,516 --> 00:15:06,676 Speaker 3: how do you make rebellious art now? How do you 324 00:15:06,716 --> 00:15:07,636 Speaker 3: make protest art? 325 00:15:07,676 --> 00:15:07,916 Speaker 1: Now? 326 00:15:09,196 --> 00:15:13,356 Speaker 3: Don't have an answer, Like I it's very it seems 327 00:15:13,516 --> 00:15:18,796 Speaker 3: very borderline impossible because of the way that the Internet 328 00:15:18,796 --> 00:15:22,676 Speaker 3: works and the way that like moments happen and like 329 00:15:22,836 --> 00:15:25,836 Speaker 3: niche niches happen, and how difficult it. Like I was 330 00:15:26,196 --> 00:15:28,556 Speaker 3: reading something about you know, like it used to be 331 00:15:28,596 --> 00:15:30,476 Speaker 3: so the way David Bowie dress used to be so 332 00:15:30,556 --> 00:15:35,036 Speaker 3: transgressive and now it's like Harry Styles and Ben's and 333 00:15:35,076 --> 00:15:37,516 Speaker 3: Boone and like, you know, everyone dresses like David Bowie 334 00:15:37,556 --> 00:15:41,436 Speaker 3: and so how what could you possibly wear that would 335 00:15:41,436 --> 00:15:45,236 Speaker 3: be transgressive? Yeah, I don't, Like, I don't have an idea. 336 00:15:45,436 --> 00:15:48,076 Speaker 1: What sound could you make? That's what I don't. I 337 00:15:48,156 --> 00:15:48,716 Speaker 1: don't know. 338 00:15:48,596 --> 00:15:52,076 Speaker 4: I know, like the Yoko Ono is like the closest 339 00:15:52,196 --> 00:15:55,596 Speaker 4: like still, I mean, yeah, like that's the most transgressive. 340 00:15:56,196 --> 00:15:59,036 Speaker 3: It's just bad. It's like, oh, not that she's bad, 341 00:15:59,156 --> 00:16:00,716 Speaker 3: but like what I just did is bad. 342 00:16:00,756 --> 00:16:04,276 Speaker 5: Well, she's amazing. Is transgressive at all anymore? Because everything 343 00:16:04,356 --> 00:16:04,876 Speaker 5: is everything? 344 00:16:05,116 --> 00:16:06,516 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the only way you can pretend to be 345 00:16:06,516 --> 00:16:10,116 Speaker 3: transgressive is to like be ugly or unfortunate or like 346 00:16:10,636 --> 00:16:13,036 Speaker 3: like like make it or make some make a sound 347 00:16:13,076 --> 00:16:14,996 Speaker 3: that like no one wants to hear, I mean, like 348 00:16:15,276 --> 00:16:17,316 Speaker 3: sonically ugly. By the way, the. 349 00:16:17,316 --> 00:16:19,316 Speaker 5: Biggest way it could be transgressed is just shut the 350 00:16:19,356 --> 00:16:19,836 Speaker 5: fuck up. 351 00:16:20,036 --> 00:16:22,236 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be a crazy rebellion. 352 00:16:22,556 --> 00:16:25,316 Speaker 5: Yeah, we all are obsessed with ourselves. 353 00:16:25,396 --> 00:16:28,676 Speaker 2: I guess getting off the internet you mentioned quitting social media. 354 00:16:28,916 --> 00:16:30,276 Speaker 2: I don't know if I heard that right, But getting 355 00:16:30,316 --> 00:16:32,196 Speaker 2: off the Internet, I guess is which is it's I 356 00:16:32,236 --> 00:16:35,036 Speaker 2: don't want to say it's a week a week way 357 00:16:35,076 --> 00:16:38,036 Speaker 2: it'll be transgressive, but it's I mean, in the grand 358 00:16:38,036 --> 00:16:39,516 Speaker 2: scheme of things, is I guess it's not that it's 359 00:16:39,556 --> 00:16:40,876 Speaker 2: more of a personal thing than it is. 360 00:16:40,876 --> 00:16:41,596 Speaker 1: It's psych I. 361 00:16:41,596 --> 00:16:43,436 Speaker 3: Don't think I even get any points for being off 362 00:16:43,476 --> 00:16:46,236 Speaker 3: social media because I'm still benefiting from it and profiting 363 00:16:46,276 --> 00:16:48,916 Speaker 3: from it because I have the capacity to have someone 364 00:16:48,996 --> 00:16:51,836 Speaker 3: who can like run my social media for me, right, 365 00:16:51,956 --> 00:16:54,996 Speaker 3: So I like, that's not not a rebellion at all 366 00:16:55,276 --> 00:16:58,836 Speaker 3: because I'm entirely participating in the system of it. I'm 367 00:16:58,876 --> 00:17:02,476 Speaker 3: just trying to protect my own brain and peace from it. Yeah, 368 00:17:02,516 --> 00:17:06,916 Speaker 3: so that's like zero rebellion. That's like, that's just like 369 00:17:06,956 --> 00:17:10,756 Speaker 3: walling yourself in, which is working for me. But like 370 00:17:10,796 --> 00:17:12,916 Speaker 3: I wouldn't brag about. 371 00:17:13,236 --> 00:17:15,156 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more from Maya and Christian 372 00:17:15,436 --> 00:17:21,396 Speaker 2: after the break, but we'll talk about a song like 373 00:17:21,516 --> 00:17:26,156 Speaker 2: Lioness on your new album is something that seems like 374 00:17:26,196 --> 00:17:30,276 Speaker 2: it's a large degree ripped out of your life, but 375 00:17:30,756 --> 00:17:32,516 Speaker 2: probably that there's also some things in there that we 376 00:17:32,556 --> 00:17:34,516 Speaker 2: wouldn't necessarily recognize. 377 00:17:34,596 --> 00:17:37,236 Speaker 3: You know, Well, I guess I would say that I 378 00:17:37,276 --> 00:17:41,036 Speaker 3: think that that song. Miley Cyrus actually talks about this, 379 00:17:41,116 --> 00:17:42,796 Speaker 3: and I quote her all the time about it, which 380 00:17:42,796 --> 00:17:44,636 Speaker 3: is that like every I wish I could remember her 381 00:17:44,676 --> 00:17:48,036 Speaker 3: pithy way of describing it, I don't, but that every 382 00:17:48,236 --> 00:17:53,636 Speaker 3: song is like a an encapsulation of a singular emotion, 383 00:17:54,516 --> 00:17:57,396 Speaker 3: or like like we are we contain multitudes, right, Like 384 00:17:57,596 --> 00:17:59,076 Speaker 3: sometimes you wake up in the morning You're like, I 385 00:17:59,116 --> 00:18:00,716 Speaker 3: hate my life, and then an hour later like I 386 00:18:00,756 --> 00:18:03,076 Speaker 3: love my life, and then like you're you know, like 387 00:18:03,156 --> 00:18:06,396 Speaker 3: we are always so many people, and a lot of 388 00:18:06,436 --> 00:18:08,836 Speaker 3: the time, one thing that helps write a song is 389 00:18:08,876 --> 00:18:12,916 Speaker 3: to zero in on a specific feeling and to take 390 00:18:12,956 --> 00:18:15,196 Speaker 3: out all the nuance and all the different ways in 391 00:18:15,236 --> 00:18:18,276 Speaker 3: which you know you don't really feel that way, and 392 00:18:18,316 --> 00:18:21,556 Speaker 3: to add as much breath and life and blood into 393 00:18:21,556 --> 00:18:25,476 Speaker 3: this singular feeling as possible. And I think that Lioness 394 00:18:25,636 --> 00:18:28,156 Speaker 3: is a song about a moment where I was really 395 00:18:28,236 --> 00:18:33,116 Speaker 3: struggling with gratitude and like, you know, I had had 396 00:18:33,156 --> 00:18:35,636 Speaker 3: all my dreams come true. I was doing the thing 397 00:18:35,676 --> 00:18:37,356 Speaker 3: that I love most in the world, and I was 398 00:18:37,396 --> 00:18:39,476 Speaker 3: doing it and was able to take care of myself 399 00:18:40,436 --> 00:18:44,196 Speaker 3: and provide for myself, and that was everything I wanted, 400 00:18:44,196 --> 00:18:48,196 Speaker 3: and I was really depressed and really not feeling the magic, 401 00:18:48,276 --> 00:18:53,476 Speaker 3: feeling the spark of creativity. And I had this incredible 402 00:18:53,636 --> 00:18:56,276 Speaker 3: moment on set where I got to watch my best 403 00:18:56,276 --> 00:19:02,676 Speaker 3: friend bring the fricking house down with a performance, and 404 00:19:02,836 --> 00:19:06,116 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, it's not this environment 405 00:19:06,676 --> 00:19:10,676 Speaker 3: that's not allowing magic to happen. It's not the genre 406 00:19:10,916 --> 00:19:14,316 Speaker 3: or the tone, or the budget or the this it's me. 407 00:19:15,116 --> 00:19:18,396 Speaker 3: I'm I'm emotionally shut off. I'm blocking out the magic. 408 00:19:18,996 --> 00:19:21,116 Speaker 3: And I think that was a song that came from 409 00:19:21,276 --> 00:19:23,796 Speaker 3: like me wanting to kind of just do a wake 410 00:19:23,876 --> 00:19:25,756 Speaker 3: up call and get out of the funk that I 411 00:19:25,836 --> 00:19:27,956 Speaker 3: was in. And and so it's kind of like a 412 00:19:27,996 --> 00:19:34,356 Speaker 3: cartoon version of my most ungrateful like Braddy self until 413 00:19:34,476 --> 00:19:37,756 Speaker 3: the last verse, Like we've recently been talking a lot 414 00:19:37,756 --> 00:19:39,316 Speaker 3: about this, you know, you know the voice in your 415 00:19:39,356 --> 00:19:42,676 Speaker 3: head that tells you that you're like an absolute monster 416 00:19:43,236 --> 00:19:45,636 Speaker 3: and that you're a bad person and that everybody hates you. 417 00:19:46,156 --> 00:19:49,156 Speaker 3: Like we've been talking about that voice and been calling 418 00:19:49,156 --> 00:19:53,956 Speaker 3: it like Schmiegel and and like Agel is like you're 419 00:19:54,076 --> 00:19:57,836 Speaker 3: a bad person, nobody loves you. 420 00:19:57,836 --> 00:19:59,276 Speaker 1: You know, you did do that voice. 421 00:20:00,636 --> 00:20:01,036 Speaker 3: Is different. 422 00:20:01,076 --> 00:20:03,956 Speaker 4: It's kind of I maybe just because my voice is lower, 423 00:20:03,956 --> 00:20:06,556 Speaker 4: a little bit scarier. I would say yours is kind 424 00:20:06,556 --> 00:20:08,236 Speaker 4: of charming and easy to interface with. 425 00:20:08,356 --> 00:20:10,436 Speaker 3: Well, you'd say, yeah, yours. 426 00:20:11,236 --> 00:20:16,156 Speaker 7: Minus like you are you are not doing good, you 427 00:20:16,276 --> 00:20:19,796 Speaker 7: are doing bad stuff, and you're no one likes you, 428 00:20:19,876 --> 00:20:26,636 Speaker 7: and you're you're delusional weirdo exactly. 429 00:20:26,676 --> 00:20:29,236 Speaker 3: And like sometimes when I go to like a fashion event, 430 00:20:29,356 --> 00:20:32,516 Speaker 3: I speak in an accent and I do it accidentally, 431 00:20:32,556 --> 00:20:36,396 Speaker 3: but she's like really fabulous and she says darling. She's like, yes, darling, 432 00:20:36,436 --> 00:20:38,796 Speaker 3: I'd love a glass of water, you know, And like 433 00:20:38,836 --> 00:20:42,636 Speaker 3: these kinds of different characters that exist within all of us, right, 434 00:20:42,676 --> 00:20:44,356 Speaker 3: you have like the little demon in your head, and 435 00:20:44,636 --> 00:20:47,036 Speaker 3: you have the fabulous person in your head, and you 436 00:20:47,116 --> 00:20:49,636 Speaker 3: have you, and I think sometimes I like to write 437 00:20:49,676 --> 00:20:53,276 Speaker 3: from those. Christian is an incredible like character songwriter and 438 00:20:53,316 --> 00:20:56,316 Speaker 3: actually writes songs about characters that aren't him at all. 439 00:20:56,836 --> 00:20:59,316 Speaker 3: And I would say I write songs about from the 440 00:20:59,316 --> 00:21:02,396 Speaker 3: points of view of different characters that are all me 441 00:21:03,756 --> 00:21:05,756 Speaker 3: and like, so the Lioness is like kind of like 442 00:21:05,996 --> 00:21:09,796 Speaker 3: this depressed actress. She's like everything's great, eight, I'd love 443 00:21:09,836 --> 00:21:13,636 Speaker 3: another water with ice, But I'm so sad, and I 444 00:21:13,636 --> 00:21:17,116 Speaker 3: don't even feel like an artist anymore? Am I an 445 00:21:17,196 --> 00:21:23,756 Speaker 3: artist that's like that cartoon character that is so every 446 00:21:24,036 --> 00:21:28,716 Speaker 3: And so you write from characters that are external primarily, 447 00:21:28,716 --> 00:21:29,716 Speaker 3: you would say, and you're. 448 00:21:29,596 --> 00:21:31,996 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're external in the way they have 449 00:21:32,076 --> 00:21:35,556 Speaker 4: behavior that is like different, an amalgamation of different. I'm 450 00:21:35,556 --> 00:21:39,436 Speaker 4: like a collage artist of just different stimuli or whatever 451 00:21:39,436 --> 00:21:43,156 Speaker 4: it is. Mainly my characters aren't anyone specifically, but they're 452 00:21:43,316 --> 00:21:44,836 Speaker 4: sort of kind of. 453 00:21:46,436 --> 00:21:49,276 Speaker 3: Songs. There are stories from experiences that you never had. 454 00:21:49,836 --> 00:21:51,876 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, but that's what I mean. 455 00:21:51,876 --> 00:21:56,156 Speaker 4: It's just like a collage of different people's experiences or whatever, 456 00:21:56,236 --> 00:22:00,476 Speaker 4: and how they would it's like a fan fiction of 457 00:22:00,476 --> 00:22:02,716 Speaker 4: of life of people and stuff. 458 00:22:02,836 --> 00:22:04,716 Speaker 3: You know, they got they got that joke. 459 00:22:04,836 --> 00:22:07,676 Speaker 4: Okay, well I didn't even mean to make that. 460 00:22:08,396 --> 00:22:11,996 Speaker 3: Christian is a song called fan fiction and he and 461 00:22:12,316 --> 00:22:13,956 Speaker 3: they laughed, and I think it's because they know that. 462 00:22:14,236 --> 00:22:14,916 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. 463 00:22:15,276 --> 00:22:18,276 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm ashamed I didn't pick up on. 464 00:22:18,516 --> 00:22:20,756 Speaker 4: Well I didn't pick up on it either, and I'm 465 00:22:20,876 --> 00:22:23,556 Speaker 4: embarrassed that I accidentally quoted myself. 466 00:22:23,636 --> 00:22:25,916 Speaker 1: So you know, I want to ask. 467 00:22:27,236 --> 00:22:30,716 Speaker 2: Maya, you're as some maybe still are a fan of 468 00:22:30,796 --> 00:22:32,476 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift totally. 469 00:22:32,516 --> 00:22:37,636 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, how, yes, how what? How could 470 00:22:37,716 --> 00:22:40,756 Speaker 3: you not be? She's the goat, Like she is inspired 471 00:22:40,796 --> 00:22:44,236 Speaker 3: a generation of songwriters to be themselves and to be 472 00:22:44,276 --> 00:22:45,396 Speaker 3: free and believe in themselves. 473 00:22:45,516 --> 00:22:47,836 Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to hit on. So what is 474 00:22:47,876 --> 00:22:50,756 Speaker 1: it about her songwriting and her influence. 475 00:22:51,916 --> 00:22:54,836 Speaker 3: She's an extraordinary musician who I'm pretty sure can do anything, 476 00:22:55,476 --> 00:22:59,036 Speaker 3: but I think she chooses to write songs that are 477 00:22:59,036 --> 00:23:02,516 Speaker 3: really simple and really approachable or you know, like a 478 00:23:02,516 --> 00:23:05,596 Speaker 3: lot of the time musically, and so much music is 479 00:23:05,636 --> 00:23:09,036 Speaker 3: so intimidating, especially for young women, and I think it 480 00:23:09,356 --> 00:23:12,196 Speaker 3: is really When I was a little girl and I 481 00:23:12,276 --> 00:23:15,436 Speaker 3: like got my first guitar and I went home and 482 00:23:15,476 --> 00:23:17,756 Speaker 3: I like typed in, Oh, I want to learn how 483 00:23:17,756 --> 00:23:21,156 Speaker 3: to play you know, all you need is love by 484 00:23:21,156 --> 00:23:24,156 Speaker 3: the Beatles, And I was like, I can't like what 485 00:23:24,236 --> 00:23:26,516 Speaker 3: the I mean, maybe that one is actually kind of simple, 486 00:23:26,596 --> 00:23:30,116 Speaker 3: but like it's weird, right, okay, Like and I was like, oh, 487 00:23:30,156 --> 00:23:32,516 Speaker 3: I can't do this. And then I was like, oh, 488 00:23:32,516 --> 00:23:35,956 Speaker 3: this is so discouraging, right, I'm so like, I feel 489 00:23:35,996 --> 00:23:38,956 Speaker 3: so bad about myself that I can't It sounds so 490 00:23:38,996 --> 00:23:40,676 Speaker 3: simple when I listen to it, but when I try 491 00:23:40,716 --> 00:23:42,796 Speaker 3: to do it, I can't do it. And then I 492 00:23:42,876 --> 00:23:44,636 Speaker 3: was like, Okay, I'm gonna learn to play Taylor Swift's 493 00:23:44,676 --> 00:23:48,156 Speaker 3: hours and I was like, oh, I obviously can't play 494 00:23:48,196 --> 00:23:50,236 Speaker 3: it as well as she can, but I can play it. 495 00:23:50,796 --> 00:23:52,396 Speaker 3: I can sit in front of my family and be 496 00:23:52,516 --> 00:23:54,476 Speaker 3: like these are the chords, and I'm playing it and 497 00:23:54,516 --> 00:23:58,356 Speaker 3: I'm singing this song and so encouraging, like it's so 498 00:23:58,516 --> 00:24:00,196 Speaker 3: inspiring and it makes me feel like, oh my god, 499 00:24:00,196 --> 00:24:02,276 Speaker 3: a song that I love that change my life and 500 00:24:02,316 --> 00:24:06,676 Speaker 3: inspires me is accessible to me, and it makes you 501 00:24:07,156 --> 00:24:09,036 Speaker 3: believe that you can write songs and that you could 502 00:24:09,236 --> 00:24:10,756 Speaker 3: write songs that could change the world. 503 00:24:11,116 --> 00:24:14,196 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like punk rock. It's like the Ramones or whatever. 504 00:24:14,236 --> 00:24:16,996 Speaker 4: When you I'm sure that like everyone that plays music 505 00:24:17,156 --> 00:24:18,676 Speaker 4: had the moment where they're like, oh shit, I could 506 00:24:18,676 --> 00:24:19,276 Speaker 4: do this today. 507 00:24:19,476 --> 00:24:22,356 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, right now, Yeah, just go to. 508 00:24:22,276 --> 00:24:24,276 Speaker 4: Like the thrift store and buy the thing and I 509 00:24:24,276 --> 00:24:27,036 Speaker 4: could play like fucking whatever. 510 00:24:27,316 --> 00:24:28,956 Speaker 5: That's what Taylor Swift does. 511 00:24:28,796 --> 00:24:30,516 Speaker 3: I think, And then she does that, and then it 512 00:24:30,556 --> 00:24:34,436 Speaker 3: also happens to have like written I think a lot 513 00:24:34,436 --> 00:24:37,076 Speaker 3: of the greatest songs of the last twenty years and 514 00:24:37,156 --> 00:24:39,916 Speaker 3: like an over and over again album after album, and 515 00:24:39,956 --> 00:24:44,436 Speaker 3: it's pretty impressive and does it well being like pretty 516 00:24:44,436 --> 00:24:47,316 Speaker 3: incredible role model at the same time and not seeming 517 00:24:47,356 --> 00:24:49,716 Speaker 3: to have that be too much of a burden. So 518 00:24:49,876 --> 00:24:50,636 Speaker 3: it's pretty cool. 519 00:24:51,396 --> 00:24:56,636 Speaker 2: Yeah, what is your favorite Taylor Swift album? 520 00:24:56,676 --> 00:24:59,436 Speaker 3: Fearless? But I've been in the game from the beginning, 521 00:24:59,596 --> 00:25:02,156 Speaker 3: and you can't replace your first experience, you know, So 522 00:25:02,196 --> 00:25:05,476 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't. I don't. I wouldn't 523 00:25:05,476 --> 00:25:07,516 Speaker 3: say it was the best album, but it is my favorite. 524 00:25:07,756 --> 00:25:08,076 Speaker 1: Yeah. 525 00:25:08,196 --> 00:25:11,876 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also he did fall in love to a 526 00:25:12,436 --> 00:25:16,996 Speaker 3: Taylor's to to to Fearless, the Fearless song, and then 527 00:25:16,996 --> 00:25:18,756 Speaker 3: it's some red, so I would say, like Fearless Red 528 00:25:18,756 --> 00:25:20,036 Speaker 3: and then Torture Poet's Department. 529 00:25:20,796 --> 00:25:23,636 Speaker 1: Wow, you guys fell in love to Fearless. 530 00:25:24,076 --> 00:25:29,556 Speaker 5: We had some pivotal We've had some exaggeration bonding moments. 531 00:25:30,516 --> 00:25:33,036 Speaker 3: It's most men that you meet as a young woman 532 00:25:33,076 --> 00:25:34,956 Speaker 3: when you say you like Taylor Swift, they say, oh, 533 00:25:35,076 --> 00:25:37,076 Speaker 3: that's so annoying. Don't put it onto the car. I 534 00:25:37,076 --> 00:25:38,876 Speaker 3: don't want to listen to it. I don't like, Oh, 535 00:25:38,916 --> 00:25:41,636 Speaker 3: you're so like And you get to meet one who 536 00:25:41,636 --> 00:25:44,396 Speaker 3: puts it on in the car on purpose, not to 537 00:25:44,476 --> 00:25:47,916 Speaker 3: manipulate you. It's a pretty big deal, you know. 538 00:25:48,236 --> 00:25:51,796 Speaker 5: Christian, I'm speechless. 539 00:25:51,836 --> 00:25:55,596 Speaker 3: He's a lifelong fan. He like's like he's on. He 540 00:25:55,596 --> 00:25:57,676 Speaker 3: heard Taylor on the country radio and went to go 541 00:25:57,716 --> 00:26:00,556 Speaker 3: see her live during the Fearless Fearless era. 542 00:26:01,436 --> 00:26:04,076 Speaker 4: During the self Title Self Title era, I was, I 543 00:26:04,076 --> 00:26:06,996 Speaker 4: grew up in LA and there's one country stage. I 544 00:26:06,996 --> 00:26:08,996 Speaker 4: don't know what there is now, but there's one country station. 545 00:26:09,516 --> 00:26:13,316 Speaker 4: Go country right. I don't know what the numbers are, 546 00:26:13,396 --> 00:26:17,116 Speaker 4: but the or the letters, but it was teardrops on 547 00:26:17,156 --> 00:26:19,556 Speaker 4: my guitar. They started playing, and I was like, I 548 00:26:19,636 --> 00:26:23,196 Speaker 4: used to listen to country music because my dad introduced 549 00:26:23,196 --> 00:26:24,916 Speaker 4: me to Hank Williams. 550 00:26:24,516 --> 00:26:26,676 Speaker 5: And I was like, this is fucking rocks. This guy 551 00:26:26,716 --> 00:26:27,316 Speaker 5: is amazing. 552 00:26:27,516 --> 00:26:33,356 Speaker 4: Yeah, this new music from the nineteen forties. And when 553 00:26:34,156 --> 00:26:36,676 Speaker 4: I listened to country music mainly as a joke because 554 00:26:36,716 --> 00:26:39,996 Speaker 4: you could turn it on and be like, damn you hilarious. 555 00:26:40,036 --> 00:26:44,316 Speaker 4: They're punning on this truck so hard, like a song 556 00:26:44,476 --> 00:26:50,716 Speaker 4: after song truck puns, fish puns and Taylor Swift or whatever, 557 00:26:50,836 --> 00:26:52,876 Speaker 4: Tim McGraw or whatever I think is what it was. 558 00:26:53,316 --> 00:26:57,356 Speaker 4: That and I was like, this is amazing and like 559 00:26:57,356 --> 00:27:00,556 Speaker 4: like weirdly like meta and felt like the Internet at 560 00:27:00,556 --> 00:27:03,476 Speaker 4: that time and like the MySpace days of the internet. 561 00:27:03,196 --> 00:27:05,596 Speaker 5: Or whatever, and it was cool. 562 00:27:05,596 --> 00:27:08,436 Speaker 4: And I called into the radio station and won tickets 563 00:27:08,476 --> 00:27:12,876 Speaker 4: on the radio to go see her first LA show 564 00:27:13,796 --> 00:27:17,396 Speaker 4: and went and was very an embarrassed, like fifteen year 565 00:27:17,436 --> 00:27:19,516 Speaker 4: old boy who was like, oh shit, it's a bunch 566 00:27:19,516 --> 00:27:25,436 Speaker 4: of little kids here and I was front row, uh. 567 00:27:26,476 --> 00:27:28,356 Speaker 5: Just ripping it. It was amazing, could go. 568 00:27:28,916 --> 00:27:31,556 Speaker 4: I went with my best friend at the time, Michael Mann, 569 00:27:31,636 --> 00:27:35,036 Speaker 4: who is not the director but a different guy. 570 00:27:35,836 --> 00:27:37,996 Speaker 3: So in other words, I'm the luckiest woman in the world. 571 00:27:39,076 --> 00:27:40,076 Speaker 1: That is phenomenal. 572 00:27:45,036 --> 00:27:48,476 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about Heavy Rain from your 573 00:27:48,476 --> 00:27:52,396 Speaker 2: newest album. I'm so glad that you do that is 574 00:27:52,516 --> 00:27:55,636 Speaker 2: it's stunning. It's a gorgeous song, and there's like some 575 00:27:55,916 --> 00:28:00,556 Speaker 2: like halfway through something happens halfway through one of the 576 00:28:01,036 --> 00:28:03,236 Speaker 2: core verses that is like I don't even know what 577 00:28:03,276 --> 00:28:05,116 Speaker 2: you guys do, Like something just. 578 00:28:06,916 --> 00:28:08,356 Speaker 1: Changes. I wish I could play it. 579 00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:09,476 Speaker 5: That's my yeah. 580 00:28:09,556 --> 00:28:12,516 Speaker 4: I mean there's a modulation that happens because Maya. I 581 00:28:12,556 --> 00:28:15,876 Speaker 4: was on tour in Europe and Maya had sent me 582 00:28:15,916 --> 00:28:19,276 Speaker 4: of this that we tried the old method of Maya 583 00:28:19,356 --> 00:28:23,796 Speaker 4: sends a poem and like a vague melody and try 584 00:28:23,836 --> 00:28:25,956 Speaker 4: to map it out. And Maya sent me like this 585 00:28:26,196 --> 00:28:30,156 Speaker 4: crazy melody that modulated all over the place. And then 586 00:28:30,516 --> 00:28:32,756 Speaker 4: I'd sort of figured, I don't even think I've really 587 00:28:32,756 --> 00:28:34,396 Speaker 4: figured out how to do it, but figured out how 588 00:28:34,396 --> 00:28:38,676 Speaker 4: to modulate the into a different key at just boring. 589 00:28:38,516 --> 00:28:40,876 Speaker 2: You, figured how to do the guitar, how to play 590 00:28:40,916 --> 00:28:41,596 Speaker 2: against what she. 591 00:28:41,636 --> 00:28:43,356 Speaker 5: Was singing, Yeah, and like change it. 592 00:28:43,436 --> 00:28:45,276 Speaker 4: She went into a different key in a way that 593 00:28:45,356 --> 00:28:49,396 Speaker 4: was really effortless and like kind of like WHOA, just 594 00:28:49,436 --> 00:28:50,916 Speaker 4: something I never would have thought to do that. 595 00:28:53,436 --> 00:28:54,556 Speaker 5: You know, have you ever seen on. 596 00:28:54,476 --> 00:28:58,676 Speaker 4: YouTube those videos of people like re harmonizing like a 597 00:28:58,756 --> 00:29:01,156 Speaker 4: guy on the news or something like that. Yeah, or 598 00:29:01,236 --> 00:29:03,716 Speaker 4: like sort of like I tried to do that with 599 00:29:03,756 --> 00:29:04,996 Speaker 4: the thing that she sent over. 600 00:29:06,476 --> 00:29:09,116 Speaker 3: It was a really cool That song was really fun 601 00:29:09,356 --> 00:29:13,676 Speaker 3: to write and fun to communicate about, and came from 602 00:29:13,676 --> 00:29:17,276 Speaker 3: a really special Like some some songs kind of drop 603 00:29:17,316 --> 00:29:19,236 Speaker 3: out of the air, and that was one of them. 604 00:29:19,356 --> 00:29:23,556 Speaker 3: I was having a weird day and I went with 605 00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:25,676 Speaker 3: my my brother was doing a play at Lincoln Center, 606 00:29:26,276 --> 00:29:30,916 Speaker 3: which had been a lifelong dream of mine. And I 607 00:29:30,956 --> 00:29:33,636 Speaker 3: walked him to the stage door and then we sat 608 00:29:33,676 --> 00:29:35,556 Speaker 3: out on a bench and we were just like talking 609 00:29:35,596 --> 00:29:38,476 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, just the like you know 610 00:29:38,516 --> 00:29:41,876 Speaker 3: when the sky just like rips open and dumps water 611 00:29:42,036 --> 00:29:44,676 Speaker 3: like out of the blue, and it just and it did. 612 00:29:44,756 --> 00:29:47,516 Speaker 3: And I got into a cab and I wrote ninety 613 00:29:47,516 --> 00:29:52,356 Speaker 3: percent of that song in the cab, like running away 614 00:29:52,396 --> 00:29:54,116 Speaker 3: from the rain while he went into the stage door. 615 00:29:54,436 --> 00:29:54,716 Speaker 1: Wow. 616 00:29:54,716 --> 00:29:58,476 Speaker 3: And and it was and I like, and it's now 617 00:29:58,516 --> 00:30:01,116 Speaker 3: that's like my favorite song. We really Christian taught me 618 00:30:01,116 --> 00:30:05,636 Speaker 3: about Judy Sill, beautiful, one of my favorite Yeah series 619 00:30:05,676 --> 00:30:08,716 Speaker 3: and songwriters ever, and we really I was like feeling 620 00:30:08,796 --> 00:30:10,516 Speaker 3: very in inspired by her at the time, and we 621 00:30:10,516 --> 00:30:12,316 Speaker 3: were really inspired by her for the production on the 622 00:30:12,356 --> 00:30:16,076 Speaker 3: song awesome. And I so it's like, I don't know, 623 00:30:16,076 --> 00:30:18,956 Speaker 3: but that song feels very magic magic to me. 624 00:30:19,636 --> 00:30:21,796 Speaker 2: Wow, I would There's no way I ever would have 625 00:30:21,876 --> 00:30:25,276 Speaker 2: imagined Judy Sill was the inspiration for Yeah. 626 00:30:25,316 --> 00:30:26,476 Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible. 627 00:30:27,916 --> 00:30:30,636 Speaker 2: Well, last break and we'll be back with Maya and Christian. 628 00:30:34,996 --> 00:30:36,876 Speaker 2: Were you aware of that modulation you did or was 629 00:30:36,916 --> 00:30:39,476 Speaker 2: that just that was it? Was it a conscious effort 630 00:30:39,516 --> 00:30:40,916 Speaker 2: to do that or a just decision. 631 00:30:41,356 --> 00:30:44,316 Speaker 3: No, no, not at all. I mean I was just 632 00:30:44,356 --> 00:30:46,596 Speaker 3: like in the cab, I think, and was like, oh no, 633 00:30:46,756 --> 00:30:49,676 Speaker 3: this was later Christian like sent me back a voice 634 00:30:49,676 --> 00:30:51,436 Speaker 3: memo of like him putting music to the song, and 635 00:30:51,476 --> 00:30:53,396 Speaker 3: I was like, it's it's really good, it's really good. 636 00:30:53,396 --> 00:30:55,436 Speaker 3: But for the bridge, I was just I was hearing 637 00:30:55,476 --> 00:30:57,516 Speaker 3: this thing and I'm not trying I'll try to sing 638 00:30:57,556 --> 00:30:59,276 Speaker 3: it for you. It's like, you know, it goes like this, 639 00:30:59,436 --> 00:31:00,956 Speaker 3: and I and I sang it into the thing. 640 00:31:00,996 --> 00:31:02,076 Speaker 5: And for the bridge, it's. 641 00:31:02,036 --> 00:31:05,756 Speaker 4: Just like this really complicated, like baroque ass, fucking like 642 00:31:06,156 --> 00:31:10,956 Speaker 4: Gregorian chant, fucking like deep music thing that I've never 643 00:31:10,996 --> 00:31:12,116 Speaker 4: heard of. I feel like I had to go to 644 00:31:12,196 --> 00:31:15,956 Speaker 4: the library to like figure out what it was like. No, 645 00:31:16,236 --> 00:31:18,996 Speaker 4: just this like little thing that's like the most insane 646 00:31:19,116 --> 00:31:20,156 Speaker 4: thing you've ever heard of. 647 00:31:20,636 --> 00:31:23,596 Speaker 5: Well, I've been musically incredible. 648 00:31:23,676 --> 00:31:26,636 Speaker 3: I've been working on having more security with instrumentation, but 649 00:31:26,716 --> 00:31:31,156 Speaker 3: I'm not a very secure player. But I love to sing, 650 00:31:31,196 --> 00:31:33,716 Speaker 3: and I sing a lot of melodies, and so I'm like, 651 00:31:34,156 --> 00:31:36,916 Speaker 3: oftentimes melodies will come to me, but I don't understand 652 00:31:36,916 --> 00:31:40,196 Speaker 3: the chordal makeup of them, and so I and and 653 00:31:40,316 --> 00:31:43,596 Speaker 3: usually they're just like naturally within a key, but sometimes 654 00:31:43,636 --> 00:31:46,156 Speaker 3: they're not. And this one it wasn't. But I swear 655 00:31:46,196 --> 00:31:47,796 Speaker 3: to god, I didn't even write this song. It dropped 656 00:31:47,796 --> 00:31:49,796 Speaker 3: out of this guy and Christian helped bring it to life, 657 00:31:49,796 --> 00:31:51,996 Speaker 3: and I don't I don't give myself any credit. 658 00:31:52,116 --> 00:31:53,876 Speaker 1: Did you did you write? Did you win the cab? 659 00:31:54,116 --> 00:31:55,996 Speaker 1: Did you write it on a notepad or was it 660 00:31:56,556 --> 00:31:56,876 Speaker 1: my notes? 661 00:31:57,036 --> 00:32:01,836 Speaker 3: App Well, it was raining. I am usually a notepad girl, 662 00:32:01,916 --> 00:32:06,716 Speaker 3: but you know what, inclement weather, it's. 663 00:32:06,836 --> 00:32:08,836 Speaker 1: It's not good. It's not good notepad weather when. 664 00:32:08,716 --> 00:32:15,276 Speaker 2: It's Yeah, speaking of Gregorian, uh devil, the Devil you 665 00:32:15,316 --> 00:32:19,556 Speaker 2: know feels and uh, it feels a little Gregorian in 666 00:32:19,596 --> 00:32:19,956 Speaker 2: some ways. 667 00:32:19,996 --> 00:32:21,916 Speaker 1: The way the vocal is produced. You know. 668 00:32:22,196 --> 00:32:22,956 Speaker 3: That's so cool. 669 00:32:23,156 --> 00:32:27,876 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like you did something similar on 670 00:32:27,876 --> 00:32:31,236 Speaker 2: on your previous album on Better Totally. 671 00:32:32,996 --> 00:32:34,356 Speaker 3: Thank you for connecting like. 672 00:32:34,396 --> 00:32:36,396 Speaker 4: The first person ever to bring up this song that 673 00:32:36,436 --> 00:32:38,156 Speaker 4: we were like the day in the studio where like 674 00:32:38,196 --> 00:32:39,556 Speaker 4: this fucking rocks. 675 00:32:39,876 --> 00:32:41,396 Speaker 3: I was like, this is gonna be such a big hit. 676 00:32:41,756 --> 00:32:44,596 Speaker 3: I think like a really cool rapper is gonna sample 677 00:32:45,276 --> 00:32:47,516 Speaker 3: this and put it in there, Like I think this 678 00:32:47,596 --> 00:32:49,476 Speaker 3: is gonna be the you know what eminem what's the 679 00:32:49,516 --> 00:32:53,556 Speaker 3: song where he samples Dido. I think this is gonna 680 00:32:53,556 --> 00:32:55,156 Speaker 3: be I think this is going to end up on 681 00:32:55,196 --> 00:32:58,036 Speaker 3: like so confident. It's like when I go to my 682 00:32:58,116 --> 00:33:00,596 Speaker 3: Spotify for artists, roll down, it's like the bottom one 683 00:33:01,356 --> 00:33:04,036 Speaker 3: I was. I am the uncanary in the coal mine. 684 00:33:04,156 --> 00:33:06,476 Speaker 3: If I think something is going to succeed, it means 685 00:33:06,476 --> 00:33:06,916 Speaker 3: it will not. 686 00:33:08,436 --> 00:33:10,636 Speaker 1: But uh, maybe that says the same thing about me too. 687 00:33:10,636 --> 00:33:11,676 Speaker 1: That's one of my favorites. 688 00:33:11,876 --> 00:33:12,076 Speaker 2: Yeah. 689 00:33:12,876 --> 00:33:14,436 Speaker 1: Good. You should never pick a single. 690 00:33:14,396 --> 00:33:17,956 Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, I mean neither, But I really I 691 00:33:17,956 --> 00:33:20,316 Speaker 3: think you're so right in some ways, my like dream 692 00:33:20,396 --> 00:33:22,476 Speaker 3: of what I wanted to have happened with that song 693 00:33:22,556 --> 00:33:23,876 Speaker 3: is kind of what we tried to do with them 694 00:33:23,916 --> 00:33:25,916 Speaker 3: well you know, which I'd never thought about before, but 695 00:33:26,556 --> 00:33:30,836 Speaker 3: kind of happened. We got I got really Uh that 696 00:33:30,916 --> 00:33:32,596 Speaker 3: song kind of came out of I wrote a crazy 697 00:33:32,636 --> 00:33:35,316 Speaker 3: poem and Christian and I were writing a lot of 698 00:33:35,356 --> 00:33:36,716 Speaker 3: music for this record, and he was like, you know what, 699 00:33:36,716 --> 00:33:39,876 Speaker 3: I think you should send that poem to Ben Ben, 700 00:33:39,916 --> 00:33:42,796 Speaker 3: who did Blush and and Ben is like just always 701 00:33:42,836 --> 00:33:45,396 Speaker 3: doing such weird rhythmic stuff and is really good at 702 00:33:45,436 --> 00:33:48,636 Speaker 3: like talkie weird melodic changes, and he kind of wrote 703 00:33:48,636 --> 00:33:51,516 Speaker 3: all those verse melodies. And then similarly, he was like, 704 00:33:51,636 --> 00:33:53,356 Speaker 3: how should the chorus? And he was like, should I 705 00:33:53,396 --> 00:33:54,716 Speaker 3: work on the chorus? And I was like, no, no, no, 706 00:33:54,716 --> 00:33:57,396 Speaker 3: I have the chorus. And we were lying in bed 707 00:33:57,756 --> 00:34:01,876 Speaker 3: on Christmas and I sent Ben a voice memo of 708 00:34:01,916 --> 00:34:06,076 Speaker 3: me doing deal with the Devil, you know, And and 709 00:34:06,116 --> 00:34:09,596 Speaker 3: that's still the audio that's he put that ice memo 710 00:34:09,636 --> 00:34:13,316 Speaker 3: through a voice voecoder and and that's still the audio 711 00:34:13,396 --> 00:34:15,956 Speaker 3: that's on the that on the song that came out. 712 00:34:16,156 --> 00:34:18,556 Speaker 1: Really, yeah, you did you add anything to the voice? 713 00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:19,956 Speaker 1: Did you add any layers to the vocal? 714 00:34:20,356 --> 00:34:23,436 Speaker 3: I think we we it's vogue coder with the voice memo, 715 00:34:23,476 --> 00:34:26,996 Speaker 3: and then I think I overdubbed the lead, but I'm 716 00:34:27,236 --> 00:34:28,116 Speaker 3: not sure. 717 00:34:28,356 --> 00:34:28,556 Speaker 5: Yeah. 718 00:34:29,196 --> 00:34:32,836 Speaker 4: Ben is like always there's like sneakily like it's like 719 00:34:33,116 --> 00:34:34,556 Speaker 4: two hundred something. 720 00:34:35,316 --> 00:34:37,236 Speaker 3: He's always like, great, let's do a double, let's do 721 00:34:37,276 --> 00:34:39,916 Speaker 3: a triple. What if we quadrupled it? What if we 722 00:34:40,076 --> 00:34:41,156 Speaker 3: you know, quintupled it? 723 00:34:42,596 --> 00:34:44,116 Speaker 1: And he did you? And did he? 724 00:34:44,396 --> 00:34:46,516 Speaker 2: I guess he recorded you guys recorded some of this 725 00:34:46,956 --> 00:34:50,476 Speaker 2: at Ben's place. Just that song, just that song, okay, 726 00:34:50,636 --> 00:34:51,756 Speaker 2: And but that was his place. 727 00:34:51,556 --> 00:34:54,436 Speaker 3: In and then he recorded other pieces on the other 728 00:34:54,476 --> 00:34:56,156 Speaker 3: two songs that he worked on, which was last Thoughts 729 00:34:56,156 --> 00:34:58,396 Speaker 3: on Morning Star or not that he worked on a 730 00:34:58,436 --> 00:35:00,916 Speaker 3: ton of them, but last Thoughts on Morning Star and 731 00:35:02,356 --> 00:35:07,116 Speaker 3: uh in terms of estrangement, yes, yes, yes, and he 732 00:35:07,156 --> 00:35:10,316 Speaker 3: did a lot of pieces of those in his studio 733 00:35:10,316 --> 00:35:12,476 Speaker 3: in La But I wasn't there for it, got it, 734 00:35:12,516 --> 00:35:14,156 Speaker 3: but devil you and I was there for it with him. 735 00:35:14,396 --> 00:35:14,876 Speaker 1: So cool. 736 00:35:16,836 --> 00:35:18,236 Speaker 2: So you guys have a little You guys are gonna 737 00:35:18,236 --> 00:35:21,876 Speaker 2: do a tour for the and I should ask you that, 738 00:35:21,996 --> 00:35:24,076 Speaker 2: can you? I don't want to mess up the name 739 00:35:24,516 --> 00:35:25,876 Speaker 2: Matria my trea. 740 00:35:26,716 --> 00:35:29,036 Speaker 3: I mean, God knows, it's an ancient word. How do 741 00:35:29,076 --> 00:35:31,316 Speaker 3: you say it? I don't know. That's how I say it, 742 00:35:31,396 --> 00:35:33,556 Speaker 3: and how my mom and dad say it, and I 743 00:35:33,556 --> 00:35:34,036 Speaker 3: don't know, but. 744 00:35:34,116 --> 00:35:36,076 Speaker 1: Uh, I should add what does it mean? 745 00:35:36,116 --> 00:35:36,276 Speaker 5: Though? 746 00:35:36,276 --> 00:35:39,636 Speaker 1: What Trea my traya is? 747 00:35:39,756 --> 00:35:42,836 Speaker 3: The word comes from Tibetan Buddhism. She's a boody sapha. 748 00:35:43,796 --> 00:35:47,116 Speaker 3: But what kind of why it's my trea? Corso? I 749 00:35:47,116 --> 00:35:50,436 Speaker 3: mean Corso is after Gregory Corso, the beat poet. But 750 00:35:50,516 --> 00:35:54,996 Speaker 3: I wanted this. We've been reading fantasy literature together for 751 00:35:55,036 --> 00:35:58,076 Speaker 3: the last two years, we've been reading like every single 752 00:35:58,196 --> 00:36:00,396 Speaker 3: Sarah J. Moss book and all of the Fourth Wing, 753 00:36:00,596 --> 00:36:03,636 Speaker 3: and we've just been having so much fun with our private, 754 00:36:03,636 --> 00:36:07,996 Speaker 3: little secret smutty book club and it's been amazing. And 755 00:36:08,196 --> 00:36:10,916 Speaker 3: I love fan to see, you know, my whole life. 756 00:36:10,956 --> 00:36:13,956 Speaker 3: And I really just like my imagination ran away with 757 00:36:14,076 --> 00:36:18,556 Speaker 3: these visuals of like these kind of brave, powerful, sword 758 00:36:18,676 --> 00:36:24,316 Speaker 3: carrying women, and I wanted this album to have a lead, 759 00:36:24,956 --> 00:36:27,396 Speaker 3: to be a journey, you know, And it's I really 760 00:36:27,756 --> 00:36:29,396 Speaker 3: I see it that way, Like if if the first 761 00:36:29,396 --> 00:36:30,956 Speaker 3: song is love of My Life, what if I got 762 00:36:30,996 --> 00:36:33,676 Speaker 3: what I wanted and the last song is dream House, 763 00:36:34,396 --> 00:36:38,476 Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's an album about doing what 764 00:36:38,636 --> 00:36:41,236 Speaker 3: needs to be done to learn enough about yourself to 765 00:36:41,276 --> 00:36:45,756 Speaker 3: get what you want. Wow, And I uh. And so 766 00:36:45,796 --> 00:36:48,236 Speaker 3: I wanted it to feel like a journey, like an 767 00:36:48,236 --> 00:36:51,716 Speaker 3: epic quest. And how do you tell an epic quest, Well, 768 00:36:51,756 --> 00:36:55,196 Speaker 3: you need an epic heroin and uh. And I wanted 769 00:36:55,196 --> 00:36:58,076 Speaker 3: to give the epic heroin an epic name. And so 770 00:36:58,796 --> 00:37:00,796 Speaker 3: you know, the heroine of My Dreams is my Trey 771 00:37:00,836 --> 00:37:01,676 Speaker 3: of Corso. 772 00:37:01,596 --> 00:37:03,716 Speaker 2: It's beautiful too, and it's rare that you can like 773 00:37:04,156 --> 00:37:05,916 Speaker 2: google something these days and not. 774 00:37:05,876 --> 00:37:09,876 Speaker 1: Find an answer. Yeah, a kudos on that. 775 00:37:09,876 --> 00:37:11,316 Speaker 5: It's a rebellion in some. 776 00:37:11,236 --> 00:37:15,596 Speaker 3: Ways'm raging against the internet. Yes, yes, I want to 777 00:37:15,636 --> 00:37:20,876 Speaker 3: be ungoogleable. Never gonna happen, Never gonna happen. My whole 778 00:37:20,916 --> 00:37:24,396 Speaker 3: life totally googleable. I was joking in the day, was like, 779 00:37:24,476 --> 00:37:27,996 Speaker 3: everyone I know I can google their birthday. I don't 780 00:37:27,996 --> 00:37:30,556 Speaker 3: need to remember their birthday because I can look it up. 781 00:37:30,956 --> 00:37:32,076 Speaker 3: And that's my weird life. 782 00:37:32,156 --> 00:37:33,996 Speaker 5: But anyway, sadly I've. 783 00:37:33,836 --> 00:37:36,196 Speaker 1: Done that for friends. 784 00:37:36,236 --> 00:37:37,356 Speaker 3: It'll be on the next record. 785 00:37:39,036 --> 00:37:40,476 Speaker 1: But yeah, are you gonna do you? Are you? 786 00:37:41,156 --> 00:37:43,236 Speaker 2: I imagine you guys are gonna keep making music in 787 00:37:43,436 --> 00:37:45,636 Speaker 2: all kinds of different iterations, right. 788 00:37:45,596 --> 00:37:48,716 Speaker 3: Like yeah, probably certainly in all kinds of iterations. 789 00:37:48,916 --> 00:37:49,236 Speaker 5: I think. 790 00:37:49,276 --> 00:37:51,196 Speaker 3: So that's the plan. We'll see. 791 00:37:51,556 --> 00:37:51,956 Speaker 5: Do you. 792 00:37:53,436 --> 00:37:57,356 Speaker 2: Do you ever, because you're also make incredible music, Christian, 793 00:37:57,516 --> 00:37:57,956 Speaker 2: thank you? 794 00:37:58,196 --> 00:38:00,236 Speaker 1: Do you ever bring Maya into that process? 795 00:38:00,356 --> 00:38:03,836 Speaker 4: Absolutely? I mean it's we my last record. We wrote 796 00:38:03,836 --> 00:38:04,636 Speaker 4: a lot of it together. 797 00:38:06,636 --> 00:38:09,596 Speaker 3: Whenever I'm usually flattering to me, I'd never written on 798 00:38:09,636 --> 00:38:12,676 Speaker 3: anyone else's record ever, and it kind of I never 799 00:38:12,716 --> 00:38:15,716 Speaker 3: thought anyone ever want me to and meant the world 800 00:38:15,796 --> 00:38:17,236 Speaker 3: to me to be included in that way. 801 00:38:17,436 --> 00:38:20,756 Speaker 4: I'd also never had anyone right on that might be 802 00:38:20,836 --> 00:38:23,036 Speaker 4: on like oh cool, that was your idea and I 803 00:38:23,076 --> 00:38:27,356 Speaker 4: expanded upon it or whatever it was. Maya is one 804 00:38:27,356 --> 00:38:31,196 Speaker 4: of my songwriting heroes, so I think like most songwriters, 805 00:38:31,236 --> 00:38:33,276 Speaker 4: I know, they have like a little collection of five 806 00:38:33,316 --> 00:38:37,076 Speaker 4: different people that they'll send voice memos to when they're 807 00:38:37,076 --> 00:38:38,636 Speaker 4: like think they have a good idea and be like 808 00:38:38,716 --> 00:38:39,396 Speaker 4: do I suck? 809 00:38:39,596 --> 00:38:41,196 Speaker 5: Or like what's what's up? 810 00:38:41,436 --> 00:38:43,436 Speaker 1: Like safe places. 811 00:38:44,716 --> 00:38:47,916 Speaker 4: Maya's my number one guy to send stuff too, so 812 00:38:48,116 --> 00:38:51,996 Speaker 4: it's always like, I don't know. We work on all 813 00:38:52,076 --> 00:38:54,076 Speaker 4: kinds of my stuff together and her stuff, and it's 814 00:38:54,156 --> 00:39:00,956 Speaker 4: kind of like it gets blurry occasionally and then. 815 00:39:00,876 --> 00:39:02,236 Speaker 3: We fight about it and then we figured it out. 816 00:39:02,316 --> 00:39:04,316 Speaker 5: Yeah, I always figure out. I'm like, no, I want that, 817 00:39:04,396 --> 00:39:05,916 Speaker 5: and you're like, no, I want that. 818 00:39:06,396 --> 00:39:07,796 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I gotta see. 819 00:39:07,916 --> 00:39:11,916 Speaker 2: I'm I'm somewhat jealous of the I mean, it's really 820 00:39:11,916 --> 00:39:12,756 Speaker 2: beautiful that you guys. 821 00:39:12,756 --> 00:39:16,676 Speaker 1: Not only do you have the sort of musical. 822 00:39:16,316 --> 00:39:19,556 Speaker 2: Connection and collaboration element, but the smutty book Club and. 823 00:39:20,956 --> 00:39:21,876 Speaker 3: The Carport's good. 824 00:39:22,276 --> 00:39:25,596 Speaker 2: I highly recommend the drawing of cartoon characters to get 825 00:39:25,596 --> 00:39:28,036 Speaker 2: out to you. I mean, you guys have an incredible 826 00:39:28,156 --> 00:39:33,756 Speaker 2: amount of you know, ways of bonding that are just 827 00:39:33,916 --> 00:39:36,116 Speaker 2: like really, I don't know, I don't know. Not everyone 828 00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:39,836 Speaker 2: has that, you know, these really deep, incredible but yet 829 00:39:39,876 --> 00:39:41,676 Speaker 2: fun ways to create. 830 00:39:41,396 --> 00:39:42,876 Speaker 1: Bonds and create memories. 831 00:39:42,876 --> 00:39:46,196 Speaker 2: And it's really beautiful and the album is really, really, 832 00:39:46,196 --> 00:39:50,596 Speaker 2: really good. I wish I could play heavy ring because 833 00:39:50,596 --> 00:39:52,636 Speaker 2: that is my it's my favorite song right now. 834 00:39:52,636 --> 00:39:54,436 Speaker 3: I wish we could do. We haven't worked it up yet, 835 00:39:54,476 --> 00:39:57,436 Speaker 3: and as we've talked about for about twenty minutes, is hard. 836 00:39:57,716 --> 00:39:59,476 Speaker 5: Yeah, very difficult. 837 00:39:59,636 --> 00:40:01,836 Speaker 4: Yeah, I need to like go back to school for 838 00:40:02,356 --> 00:40:03,916 Speaker 4: four years to learn how to play. 839 00:40:03,716 --> 00:40:04,356 Speaker 5: It for a little tool. 840 00:40:04,396 --> 00:40:06,476 Speaker 3: We'll play it on tour because it's my favorite song 841 00:40:06,516 --> 00:40:09,396 Speaker 3: on the record too, But but I do not feel qualif. 842 00:40:10,636 --> 00:40:13,356 Speaker 5: Tonight even qualified to think about it really. 843 00:40:13,436 --> 00:40:14,236 Speaker 3: Yeah. 844 00:40:14,276 --> 00:40:16,156 Speaker 2: Great, Well they'll get a chance to see it on tour. 845 00:40:16,196 --> 00:40:19,236 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it as myself. And thanks 846 00:40:19,236 --> 00:40:21,036 Speaker 2: so much for coming out, guys, and so. 847 00:40:20,956 --> 00:40:22,556 Speaker 5: Happy, thanks for having me. 848 00:40:22,636 --> 00:40:24,276 Speaker 1: Really awesome be able to listen to the last couple 849 00:40:24,316 --> 00:40:24,876 Speaker 1: of weeks. 850 00:40:25,276 --> 00:40:30,276 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thanks my hawk, Christian Lee Hudson, Thanks guys, 851 00:40:30,356 --> 00:40:30,716 Speaker 3: thank you. 852 00:40:36,036 --> 00:40:37,916 Speaker 2: An episode of description you'll find a link to a 853 00:40:37,956 --> 00:40:40,556 Speaker 2: playlist of our favorite songs from both Maya Hawk and 854 00:40:40,676 --> 00:40:43,516 Speaker 2: Christian Lee Hudson. 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