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Speaker 1: I'm Eli, I'm Diana. What a week? What a week? Indeed,

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Speaker 1: we're going to a wedding this weekend. I'm excited about that. Ye,

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Speaker 1: dear friend Gabby, very excited about this. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a really fun wedding. Yeah, we're worried about keeping up.

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Speaker 1: They're hard drinkers. They are a couple professional partiersessional partiers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's a professional dancer, so stamina is kind of her thing.

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Speaker 1: It's true. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't understand it. And having done the Fringe Festival for

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Speaker 1: a period of time now I have learned that dancers

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Speaker 1: because I don't know how well they do. They've got

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Speaker 1: always be like, oh, before a show, I just don't

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Speaker 1: they just drink everything. I remember when I was a

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Speaker 1: She was like, ah, hush, sure, And then they did

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Speaker 1: and she was like that really messed me up. What

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Speaker 1: Learning how to be a nurse. I think that's the

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Speaker 1: to begin? Where to begin? Oh? The many times I've

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Speaker 1: been a real all of my enemies out there, they're

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Speaker 1: always doing things well. Actually, speaking of people who have

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited about this story because actually it's about

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Speaker 1: a distant relation of mine, an ancestor of mine. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I may have talked before about my Scottish granny, but

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Speaker 1: Kidding and an earle. So by extension, you should be

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Speaker 1: a favorite of Prince Harry. Well. Listen, if he had

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Speaker 1: there you go. That's here. That's the number one quality

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Speaker 1: In fact, he and I could have a podcast, and

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Speaker 1: if Robert Dudley is guilty of married. Let's go, hey

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Speaker 1: the French, come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got some

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Speaker 1: that he was never really back at his own home

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Speaker 1: very much. He visited his wife Amy a couple of

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Speaker 1: days over Easter in fifteen fifty nine, and she got

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Speaker 1: to come out and watch him work for a month

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Speaker 1: in May at court, and he also would send her

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Speaker 1: presents all the time. You know, Sorr, I can make

427
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: it m stuff and goose feathers again tonight. But that

428
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: was pretty much it. Otherwise she was in Hertfordshire and

429
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Speaker 1: he was at court. He was just required to be

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Speaker 1: at the beck and call of his best friend, the Queen,

431
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Speaker 1: which brings us to this episode's side piece, and what

432
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Speaker 1: a side piece she is. It's time to party. Queen

433
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth the First had fallen super in love with her

434
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Speaker 1: BFF Robert Dudley. She basically never let him leave her side.

435
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: One court chronicle recorded that Robert was quote commanded to

436
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Speaker 1: say he did nothing with his wife when he came

437
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Speaker 1: to her, as seldom he did. Wow wow, So he

438
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: straight up how to be there. I didn't touch her,

439
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Speaker 1: I didn't her. We did nothing. So it's oh, so Robert,

440
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: you were visiting your wife. What did you two get into?

441
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: H We sat very far apart and I turned my

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Speaker 1: back on her. In fact, that's right, you did what

443
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: I did, my beautiful wife. I told her she was

444
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: disgusting looking. That's what you're contractually obligated to say. Thank

445
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: you very much. King Philip of Spain, who remember, was

446
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: married to bloody Mary, right, and after she died, he

447
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: presented himself to Elizabeth as like a husband. Option. Oh sure,

448
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: because he's like one sister's as good as the other.

449
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: The main thing is that I want to be King

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00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: of England. Yeah, I was married to a queen. Everyone

451
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: else is a step down. It's so true. You know,

452
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: we gotta moves, at least, if not up moves. So

453
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: he had been kind of trying to court Elizabeth himself,

454
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: but he was informed by the Spanish ambassador quote, Lord

455
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: Robert has come so much into favor that he does

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Speaker 1: whatever he likes with affairs. And it is even said

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Speaker 1: that Her Majesty visits him in his chamber day and night.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. So people all over the kingdom kind

459
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: of all over the world. This was like an international thing, right.

460
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: We're speculating that the queen wanted to marry Robert Dudley,

461
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: and Robert Dudley was thinking of divorcing Amy Rob's heart,

462
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: and there were rumors that Amy was terminally ill with

463
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Speaker 1: breast cancer and they were just waiting for her to die.

464
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: And then there were other rumors that the cancer rumor

465
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: was totally untrue, and Robert was just spreading that rumor,

466
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: trying to make everyone think she was sick though, so

467
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: that when she died it would be less suspicious rumors. Wow.

468
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Speaker 1: The Spanish ambassador was so sure that Robert would be

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Speaker 1: king one day that he concluded his letter to King

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Speaker 1: Philip quote, it would be well to approach Lord Robert

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Speaker 1: on your Majesty's behalf. Your Majesty would do well to

472
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: attract and confirm him in his friendship. Damn they were

473
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: really convinced. Oh yeah. In another letter he straight up said,

474
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: no one else will be king but Robert. Wow, this

475
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: is the guy. The Spanish ambassador was not the only

476
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Speaker 1: person who was certain that Robert would end up the

477
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Speaker 1: king consort. Elizabeth's court thought the same thing, and they

478
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: did not like it because Elizabeth was the unmarried queen

479
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: of a powerful country. So tons of foreign princes were

480
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: coming through with parades and trumpets and you know, all

481
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: the moisturizer on just trying to present themselves as the

482
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: perfect suitor. You know, Prince Ali is here, all all

483
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: the fanfare you can imagine. But like Jasmine, Elizabeth was like,

484
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: I am not a prize to be one. And she

485
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: turned down every one of those suitors. And they started

486
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 1: getting mad and whispered that, well, she's just not going

487
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Speaker 1: to marry anyone but Lord Robert, and that she was

488
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: just trying to distract everyone by pretending to entertain their

489
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Speaker 1: marriage proposals while Robert worked out had to kill his wife, damn.

490
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: And plenty of plots existed to kill Robert too and

491
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Speaker 1: get him out of the way. They're like, if this

492
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Speaker 1: guy's gone, we can finally marry this lady. So many

493
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: in fact, that Robert started wearing a light chainmail coat

494
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: under his clothes at all times. Couldn't get surprise stabbed

495
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Speaker 1: in the street. He was straight up like I need

496
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Speaker 1: to be walking around a bulletproof vest on mule. Well,

497
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: it all came to a head in September fifteen sixty

498
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: Amy rob Start Dudley was in Berkshire. She was living

499
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Speaker 1: in the best apartments at a relative's house called Cumnor

500
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Speaker 1: Place with ten servants. She's paying her own bills, she's

501
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: handling her own business, she's buying nice dresses and so

502
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: and so forth. But the morning of the eighth a

503
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: fair was being held in Abingdon, the nearby town, and

504
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: all the servants went to that fair, leaving Amy alone

505
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Speaker 1: in the house. When they returned, they found Amy in

506
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Speaker 1: a heap on the floor by the stairs, dead of

507
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: a broken neck. Immediately, the speculation and rumors began. Sure,

508
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: was it just a tragic accident? I mean, it's certainly possible,

509
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: But a lot of people were skeptical because the flight

510
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: was only eight stairs high, and that did not seem

511
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: steep enough to cause a fatal fall. So had Amy

512
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: been murdered so her husband could marry the queen? And

513
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: if so, who had done the evil deed? Well, I

514
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: say that we take a look at the facts and

515
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: the suspects and decide for ourselves once and for all.

516
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: Let's crack this case wide open. Right. If scholars who've

517
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: dedicated their entire lives to studying Queen Elizabeth haven't figured

518
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: it out yet, then we can do it in one

519
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: hour on a podcast. Yeah. So, welcome to the Court,

520
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: the Ridiculous Romance Court. Yeah, is in session. First, let's

521
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: look at the suspects. Obviously Robert himself. I'm sure someone

522
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: walked into the room saw Amy at the foot of

523
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: the stairs and the first thing they said was Robert

524
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: did it? Of course. I mean they had been speculating

525
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: for a very time that he was trying to do

526
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: this well, and he had a lot to gain from

527
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: Amy's death. Once she was out of that picture. He

528
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: could become one of the most powerful men in England

529
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: if he married the queen. People have done far worse

530
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: for less, you know, and not just the power aspect,

531
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: but he actually might have been just as in love

532
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: with Elizabeth as she was with him. Right, Robert wasn't

533
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: with Amy at the time of her death. He was

534
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: in Windsor with the Queen, which is a pretty solid

535
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: alibi and probably a lot of witnesses. But he could

536
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: easily have arranged someone else to act for him, right,

537
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: and one of his supporters was in Berkshire that day.

538
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: His name was Sir Richard Verney. Amy had stayed with

539
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: him for a while after her Easter visit to Robert

540
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: at court, and theories flew that Sir Richard had been

541
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: slowly poisoning Amy like Misha Barton in the sixth sense,

542
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: and when the poison didn't work, he was just like,

543
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: I'll just shove down the stairs, or at least broke

544
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: her neck and placed her at the bottom of the stairs. Right,

545
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: he went over to her house, scurry doll her servants

546
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: out to the spare, bro snapped her nick and then

547
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: just like placed her carefully at the bottom of the stairs. Well,

548
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: let's go over the defense. Historians are pretty skeptical that

549
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: Robert Dudley had anything to do with Amy's death. Historians,

550
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: what do they know? His story? I've got a gut

551
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: feeling after learning, you know, a few of the facts.

552
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: That's all I need, That's all I want to know. Well,

553
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: Robert's letters, you know, after he received a message that

554
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: she had died. His letters seemed to show a man

555
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: who is fully caught off guard. He's extremely upset, he's

556
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: very surprised by this news, and he is desperately wanting

557
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: to understand what happened. Okay, and of course, the point

558
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: of him killing his wife would be that he could

559
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: marry the queen. But the fact of the matter is

560
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: that so many rumors were flying around about Robert and

561
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: the queen and the nature of their relationship that if

562
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: Amy died under mysterious circumstances, there's no way that would

563
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: help them get together. The rumors would get too insane, yea.

564
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: And the scandal was so crazy that it's pretty impossible

565
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: for them to get married. This is the kind of

566
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: thing that could destabilize Elizabeth's rule and foment a rebellion. Okay,

567
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: so she has to be real careful. He has to

568
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: be real careful. So historians are kind of like, this

569
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: would not have led to what he wanted, so why

570
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: would you do this? And they also find the idea

571
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: of Sir Richard Verney trying to poison Amy slowly and

572
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: then snapping her neck and everything to be pretty specious.

573
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: And I do too. It does not seem like, yeah,

574
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: so I'm like, yet to stretch a lot that he

575
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, seriously poisoning her for many months

576
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: drink hop But Robert, of course, was far from the

577
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: only suspects. And we will go over a few more

578
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: right after this. Welcome back to Court, where we're discovering

579
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: if Lord Robert Dudley is a murderer. The court, the courts,

580
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: the court Court. Next on court court don't. So we've

581
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: covered Robert Dudley and his buddy, Sir Richard Verney, but

582
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: what about Elizabeth herself. She was the queen and she

583
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: wanted to marry her favorite boy toy, So why don't

584
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: just take matters into her own hands or a lackeys

585
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: and just kind of clear the way. I mean, how

586
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: hard is it for a queen to whisper to someone

587
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: like I don't think she should be around anymore. Wink wink,

588
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: winky wink. It's all very house of the Dragon, very true. Yeah,

589
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: she totally got like little Finger over. She's like, hey,

590
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: little Finger, you know what event I'd love to attend

591
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: Amy robs Out Dudley's funeral. Yeah, that's the party. I

592
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: want to go. Real tragedy if anything were to happen

593
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: to her, But you wouldn't know anything about that would

594
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: But the thing is, Queen Elizabeth has pretty much the

595
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: same defense that Robert has. If she wanted to marry

596
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: this guy, it couldn't be with all these rumors flying

597
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: around about them conspiring to murder his wife together, right

598
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: and again, the ensuing scandal made it impossible for them

599
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: to marry anyway. And Elizabeth was not stupid, like she

600
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: would have been smart enough to realize that her enemies

601
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: would use this against her. In fact, when Mary and

602
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: Queen of Scott's, her chief rival, heard the news, she

603
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: immediately responded that Elizabeth would quote soon marry her horse keeper.

604
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: That's actually I heard recording of Mary, Queen of Scott,

605
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: that's exactly, which sounds like, oh what a bit I

606
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: love is she's acting like he's not also a lord

607
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: like noble. She's like she's basically like Mary and her groom.

608
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: Or she might as well marry the horse. Oh that's

609
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: what her mother to do. Well. Elizabeth was also notoriously

610
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: against marrying anyone. In fact, when her third stepmother, Catherine Howard,

611
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: was executed when Elizabeth was only eight years old, she

612
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: confided in her best see, Robert Dudley, that she never

613
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: get married. That's right, And some people think that's why

614
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: Robert married Amy in the first place, because he knew

615
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 1: that he would never be able to marry Elizabeth. Although

616
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,959
Speaker 1: I gotta throw out there that, I mean, I think

617
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: I said when I was eight years old that I

618
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: would never get married. Gross girls are grit, you know.

619
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: I just think that's not really something you would take

620
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: seriously and long termed here a child say, I feel you,

621
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: But the child of King Henry who watched that many women.

622
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: I mean, she's got a lot of reasons to not

623
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: trust that. I feel like she would have definitely been like,

624
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: you know what, this is the third one. No way,

625
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: no way am I ever letting a man fucking be

626
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: able to swing no sword over? Yeah. I guess her

627
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: example of married couples was not too strong. Yeah, you're

628
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: eight year old. Marriage marriage ideas were very different from hers. Thank,

629
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: So who are you? What do you have a strong

630
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: father figure at home? Well, he's King Henry the eighth,

631
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: so a little too strong, designed to get well. Our

632
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: next suspect is that love match hating principal secretary William Cecil.

633
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: Do we remember him? Who's that? William Cecil was the

634
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: guy who was at Robert and Amy Robsart's wedding and

635
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: disparagingly called it a love match. Oh, here's the one

636
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: who vomited all over his shirt at the idea of

637
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: two people marrying for love. Disgusting about Well, William Cecil

638
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: was now like a main secretary guy in Elizabeth's court,

639
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: so he had even more sway over the queen than

640
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: Robert Dale. All right. It was basically Robert, William Cecil

641
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: and Sir Francis Walsingham who were in charge of the

642
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: country while the Elizabeth was queen. Ok. They were her

643
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 1: like three main dudes, and William Cecil's had been one

644
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: of the loudest disapproving voices at court, saying Lord Robert

645
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: could never be king, that was not an acceptable person

646
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: for her to marry, regardless of his marriage to Amy already.

647
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: He just didn't want Robert and Elizabeth together. Yeah, they

648
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: love each other. I won't have it. I say, this

649
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: man has too much sensibility. Now. Once Amy Rob's Heart died,

650
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: William Cecil certainly went around town saying, just as loudly,

651
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, oh, there's all these crazy rumors going around

652
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: that Robert Dudley killed his wife. Man, that's so wild.

653
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: You think you know a guy you know? Wow? Like,

654
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: so he's walking around definitely spilling tea, drinking the tea,

655
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: and so he ruined the tea, he ruined the teaser.

656
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: That's so true. So William Cecil definitely benefited the most

657
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: from the scandal that blew up around Amy Rob's Heart's death,

658
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: and that's why people were starting to be like, maybe

659
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: William Cecil had something to do with this. Oh wow, okay,

660
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: like he who smelt it, dealt it, he who smells

661
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: It's kind of what they're saying. It's usually what we

662
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: find here at the Court of Ridiculous Romance. But his

663
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: defense is that historian feel that William Cecil, as much

664
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: as he disliked the idea of Robert becoming king, would

665
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: never have risked Elizabeth's reputation or his own by killing

666
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: Amy robs Hart. Okay, everybody knew that this amount of

667
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: scandal would not turn out well for anybody close to Elizabeth,

668
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: so it would not have made sense. And William Cecil

669
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: did not really believe himself that Amy had been murdered

670
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: at all. Oh okay, you know, he and Robert were

671
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: rivals at times, but they also worked together and they

672
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: spoke well of one another for years too. Okay, so

673
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: William Cecil was just using this scandal to benefit himself

674
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: in his career like any good politician. Sure. Yeah, Now

675
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: another suspect was Amy Robsert Dudley herself. Lots of folks

676
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: believe then and believe now that Amy actually committed suicide

677
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: that day by throwing herself down the stairs. The evidence

678
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: is actually pretty strong for this. The day after her death,

679
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: Robert wrote to his steward, Thomas Blunt, asking him to

680
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: open an inquest to figure out what the hell happened here?

681
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: Why is my wife dead? Thomas wrote back that he

682
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: had questioned everyone, and that Amy had insisted that all

683
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: of her servants attend the fair at Abingdon that day.

684
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: One of them even had refused to go. She said

685
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: it was quote no day for a gentlewoman to go.

686
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: That makes me think she's got a little mister Carson

687
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: in her now. He was like, frivolity. When there are

688
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: shows to be done, we could be polishing the silva totally. Well.

689
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: After this servant refused to go, Amy got really mad

690
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: at her and was like, you better get your ass

691
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: to Abingdon. I don't want you around this house. I

692
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: need the place to myself. I'm gonna put some music on,

693
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, or relax. I don't want no peeping eyes.

694
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: That's right. Well, Thomas concluded in his report, quote certainly,

695
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: my lord, as little while as I have been here,

696
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: the tales I do hear of her maketh me to

697
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: think she had a strange mind in her. Scholars today

698
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: think that she was suffering from breast cancer and depression,

699
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: maybe exacerbated by all these rumors about her husband and

700
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: the queen. So of course she's just chilling at home

701
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: and just has to hear about all this all the

702
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: time every day. Well you know, your husband's fucking the

703
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: queen all night and she's like, okay, thanks, and we

704
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: know they were in love, right, So she definitely would

705
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: have been, I think, very sad and maybe anxious too,

706
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: because again, it's just it's not great for the king

707
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: or queen to like or hate you too much. Yeah,

708
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: it really seems to be like a very complicated situation. Regardless,

709
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: it seems like the best thing is if the king

710
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: or queen does not know you exist for real, and

711
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: she might be thinking that, Yeah, there's she's got the

712
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: same idea as everyone else, like any day someone's going

713
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: to try and take me out, right awful. So they

714
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: think that might have been why she would have died

715
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: by suicide in this way. Yeah, our final suspect is cancer,

716
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: the worst suspect of all because the chief reason that

717
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: people at the time thought that she was murdered. Besides,

718
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: of course all these rumors about Queen Elizabeth and Robert

719
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: Dudley was that the flight of stairs was only eight

720
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: steps deep, right, But the inquest at the time pointed

721
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: out that when she fell, all her body weight kind

722
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: of landed on her neck, so the height of the

723
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: fall didn't really matter. It was the weight, the weight

724
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: on her neck that killed her. And then in nineteen

725
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: fifty six, a medical professor named Ian Aird suggested that

726
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: Amy had metastatic cancerous deposits in her spine, which would

727
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: cause the bones to break even with limited strains. Oh wow, okay,

728
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: so it just kind of increased the fragility, right if

729
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: break would have been possible even at that high I

730
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: mean eight steps, it really feels like I mean, and

731
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: she didn't know that about her spine being more fragile

732
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: than usual, right, right, So it's still weird for me

733
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: to for her to think, oh, I'll just throw myself

734
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: down this very short flight of stairs and that will

735
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: definitely kill me, right, which is why it's more than

736
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: likely it was an accident because she just fell down

737
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: the stairs and happened to have weaker bones and died,

738
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, like anyone else maybe would have been able

739
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: to pick themselves up or off the floor, but like

740
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: in her case, that wasn't possible. But then why did

741
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: she send everyone? I mean, we all want a day

742
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: at home alone. Maybe the fair was just her opportunity

743
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: to be like, please get out of here. And she

744
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: didn't know she was condemning herself at that point, But

745
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: it is so weird that she was so insistent, like

746
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: y'all need to leave. It's one of those where, like

747
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes a lot of coincidences come together and

748
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,959
Speaker 1: tragedy happens. But it does look sus as we say today,

749
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: like y'all go to the fair because I want to

750
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: dance around in my underwear with a broom, singing songs

751
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: like risky business. Yeah, And I can't have y'all spreading

752
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: rumors around this whole kingdom, not my weird hobbies. Right,

753
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: And she whacked the floor, put her socks on, went

754
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: slid down the hallway, and stumbled right down the stairs.

755
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: I also have to say, some stairs from the fifteen

756
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: hundred are incredibly steep. That's even at eight stairs. The

757
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: stairs might be higher than our normal standard stairs today. Right,

758
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: So I read or those witch stairs. Have you seen those? Yeah,

759
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: they're just incredibly, incredibly shallow steps, they're not uniform. Basically

760
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: a staircase made to murder somebody, but they used it

761
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: all the time. Oh, those are the murder stairs, the

762
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: murder stairs. So I don't know it is. There's so

763
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: many strange coincidences here. Yeah, and it could also be

764
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: that Amy. I don't know this. This doesn't necessarily work

765
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: with her character. I don't know much about her or anything,

766
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: but I'm wondering if she knew about all these rumors, right,

767
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: and they're making a real upset and she's super mad,

768
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know what, I'm dying anyway. So

769
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it look real fucked up for them

770
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: so that they can never be together. I guess, like

771
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: from the grave revenge. Yeah, that's like down. Oh wow, Okay,

772
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: wait a second. I got two wild theories. I'm ready,

773
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: but I think they're accurate, but speculation station. Just to

774
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: be safe, go ahead. One, she found herself a body

775
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: and she faked her death. She pulled out her own teeth,

776
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: replaced them, put him in the put him in the cadaver,

777
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: broke its neck, threw it down the stairs and was like,

778
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Wow, I'm sick. Yeah. Then now

779
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: she's coming in out there in the world, she's coming in.

780
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: She's living free Tuter England. Yeah, coming in Tutor England,

781
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: in England, new on any Well, now i'd have to

782
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: be a reality so next on Bravo. Okay, in England.

783
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: But if that's too crazy for you, then how about

784
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: this the ghost of Bloody Mary. Huh, that's the problem.

785
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: Amy went into the bathroom and she was like, oh man,

786
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just having such a hard time with

787
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: my husband and Queen Elizabeth I almost with her sister

788
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: was still queen what was her name? Um, what was it?

789
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: Bloody Mary? Bloody Mary, Yeah, Bloody Mary. And then Bloody

790
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: Mary came out of the mirror and shoved her down

791
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: the stairs. Oh my god. Look I'm saying that's that. Honestly,

792
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: that's a more believable theory than a lot of these. Listen,

793
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: I think Bloody marries go. Okay, So the Court of

794
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: Ridiculous Romance has found that Bloody Mary, for bey all

795
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: the Grave killed Amy robs O Dudley, just because that's

796
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: just that's just what her ghost does. Otherwise, she had

797
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: no reason too, but that's just how it worked. That's

798
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: why I was. I mean, I was too scared to

799
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: do it as a little kid. But I do remember

800
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: thinking later it's like, oh, you say her name three

801
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: times and she appears in the mirror. And I was like, then,

802
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: what I know? Worry what she can do? She's in

803
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: the mirror. But that's scary enough. But also I'm not

804
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: challenging Bloody Mary to show me what she does. Can

805
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: I tell you something really stupid? I would love for

806
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 1: you to tell me something really stupid. When I was young,

807
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: we did do Bloody Mary like everybody and sure, I

808
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: was like ten or something, and we said Bloody Mary

809
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 1: three times in the mirror, but I never opened my eyes. Yeah,

810
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: and we left the bathroom. And ever since, I have

811
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: been afraid that if I go into the bathroom one

812
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: night and look in the mirror, she'll be there because

813
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: she's just been waiting. She's been ever since I said it. Wow.

814
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes when I like, I have to go to the

815
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: bathroom in the middle of the night or something, and

816
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: I don't turn on the light, I keep my eyes

817
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: closed while I washed, so dumb. I know it's stupid,

818
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: but I still can't that stuff berries in your brain.

819
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: I totally get it. Still can't damn like bloody Mary

820
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: oh man, she's waiting for you. It's so stupid. Every

821
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: time I do it, I'm like, you were so dumb.

822
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: But I can't help it. You know, I've had plenty

823
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: of nights where I'm like, I need the lights on.

824
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm a spooky night. I'm in my thirties. But you know, ghosts,

825
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: I don't want them. I had no interest could be

826
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, I don't want them evolved in my life.

827
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I'm sitting here in a brightly lit

828
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: room with no mirrors, recording this podcast in the middle

829
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: of the day, but I said it her name three times,

830
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: and there will be a part of my brain for

831
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: the next six weeks. Right that thinks like I'm gonna

832
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: turn the lights on in the bathroom. So I get it.

833
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: That's not that stupid. Well, I hope that they did

834
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: light as a feather, stiff as a board to get

835
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: Amy off the floor, just around it all out. Oh,

836
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad we solved the mystery. I am too. You know,

837
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: historians are welcome to reach out to see how we

838
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: reached our conclusion that it's definitely bloody married ghosts coming

839
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: out the mirror. We're in speculation station. I can do

840
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. That's a legal rule. Well, regardless of

841
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: the fact that we're absolutely right and it was the

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Speaker 1: ghost of Mary. The first a jury at the time

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Speaker 1: found that Amy robs Hard Dudley's death was accidental, just

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Speaker 1: a tragic accident. She accidentally said bloody Mary three times

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Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Okay, so she accidentally committed suicide. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course this decision relieved Robert somewhat, even though he

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Speaker 1: actually asked for a second trial so that another jury,

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Speaker 1: preferably one that included Amy's brothers, could examine the evidence.

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Speaker 1: He was like, please let John Appleyard was his name,

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Speaker 1: Please let him come and look at everything. Now, nothing

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Speaker 1: came of that request. They were like, no, we've already

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Speaker 1: done this and we've decided and that's it. But that

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Speaker 1: request makes it really clear that Robert really wanted to

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Speaker 1: be like extra exonerated, and that he completely understood that

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Speaker 1: no matter what a jury said one, two or three

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Speaker 1: or four times, the court of public opinion had already

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Speaker 1: decided that he was guilty, and his reputation was forever

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Speaker 1: a kind of destroyed by this, right right, So you know,

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Speaker 1: even though Robert and Elizabeth were now free to marry,

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Speaker 1: technically it could never happen at this point, but the

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Speaker 1: aftermath is actually just as fascinating as the murder mystery.

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Speaker 1: Even more damning rumors about these two star crossed lovers

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Speaker 1: started flying. Elizabeth tried a little matchmaking with poor results.

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Speaker 1: Robert knocked up his mistress in which created another murky

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Speaker 1: legal situation, and when he finally did find true love again,

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Speaker 1: he had to hide her from his unofficial girlfriend for

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Speaker 1: as long as possible. This is all crazy stuff, and

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Speaker 1: we are going to tell you all about it in

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Speaker 1: the next episode. That's right, Robert and Queen Elizabeth just

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Speaker 1: had too much going on. One episode of ridiculous romance.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous romance, and if all this hadn't happened, we might

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Speaker 1: not have ridiculous romance today because of course, Robert Dudley

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Speaker 1: one of your ancestors, that's right, which I guess, I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll get more into that next time, and we tell

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Speaker 1: you all about his other lovers and everything. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want to know how straight this line is, right, But

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Speaker 1: he didn't have kids with Amy, so we I know

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Speaker 1: we were not descended from the gentleman farmer from Norfolk. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm very incended from another woman. A well. I hope

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Speaker 1: you're all titillated by the potential there and join us

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Speaker 1: again next time. I'm very excited that we did this

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Speaker 1: because my parents mentioned it the other day, my father

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Speaker 1: and mother, and they said if we did this story,

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Speaker 1: they'd finally listen to the show. So we have two

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Speaker 1: new downloads today from my loving parents. Wow, we doubled

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Speaker 1: our listeners, so I hope you liked it, mom and dad.

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Speaker 1: We absolved our ancestor of murder by blaming it on

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Speaker 1: a ghost. Yes, you're well, it is decided. Well, that's exciting.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited for next week's episode. I hope you

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Speaker 1: all are too, because I actually this is Diana's episode.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what happens next. Oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to find out. I'm obsessed the edge of

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Speaker 1: my seat and I've got the lights on in the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: You know you know, how do you? Well? I hope

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Speaker 1: you loved it as much as I did. I love

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Speaker 1: a court intrigue. There's so many different relationships in this

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Speaker 1: that are ridiculous in different ways, so it's just a

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Speaker 1: really fun one to go over. Would love to hear

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Speaker 1: your thoughts. As always, we love to hear from you guys,

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Speaker 1: anything you have to say. If you have your own

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Speaker 1: speculation station about who murdered whom in this situation, would

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Speaker 1: the queen or the ghost. Either way you can find

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Speaker 1: We thank you so much for spending your time with

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Speaker 1: us today. We love you so much and we'll see

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