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Speaker 2: What's going on our proplanation?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to episode two seventy seven of the Minnesota Vikings Podcast.

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Speaker 3: My name is Gabe Henderson and we are inching our

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Speaker 3: way towards the start of training camp. Joining us today

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Speaker 3: on the show is NFO Networks Tom Poalicerro, who breaks

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Speaker 3: down the offseason thus far and looks ahead to the

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Speaker 3: start of the season. So much to get into today,

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Speaker 3: so let's get this show on the road. Football activities

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Speaker 3: to slow down and the anticipation bills towards the start

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Speaker 3: of training camp. As we welcome you to episode two

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Speaker 3: seventy seven of the Minnesota Vikings Podcast, presented by Pepsi.

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Speaker 3: It is that time of the year again, and people

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Speaker 3: starting to get more quiet and Jay and Tatum. This

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Speaker 3: it's not like January right where, you know, the off

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Speaker 2: You can plan vacations. Like.

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Speaker 3: It's weird because I'm like, there's vacation, but I'm also

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Speaker 3: just a unique position to be in. Understanding that training

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Speaker 4: Is it really a few days yes? I think you

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Speaker 3: No, so I think last year it started July twenty

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Speaker 4: Don't look at that till after fourth of July holiday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a really good analogy because this

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Speaker 4: Who you'd learn stuff like this today?

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Speaker 5: Say that explains why you don't get back to me

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Speaker 3: You have been covering this Vikings team for a while.

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Speaker 6: and I was like, Okay, what does the Justin Jefferson

441
00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 6: contract extension look like? At that time he was going

442
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,879
Speaker 6: into of course, a year four of his contract, had

443
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,159
Speaker 6: a pretty low base salary in twenty twenty three, and

444
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 6: I said, three years, ninety million, you know, basically fully guaranteed, Like,

445
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,280
Speaker 6: that's probably what it is. The Vikings historically have done

446
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,239
Speaker 6: five year extensions. They've done longer types of extensions, so

447
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,479
Speaker 6: there was always going to be some added time onto it.

448
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 6: The Vikings, from my understanding were beyond that number even

449
00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 6: last year going into the season, and Jefferson was waiting

450
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 6: for the perfect deal. It wasn't right they turned it down.

451
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,919
Speaker 6: He obviously battled the hamstring injury through the course of

452
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 6: last season. But when you're Justin Jefferson, you've broken practically

453
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 6: every young wide receiver record over your first three years,

454
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 6: have a year where you miss half the season because

455
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 6: of a soft tissue thing is really not going to

456
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 6: disturb your market. So when it got to thirty five

457
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,159
Speaker 6: million dollars per year, and listen, this is a pretty

458
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 6: legitimate thirty five a year. This is not Hyreek Hill

459
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Speaker 6: who signs a thirty million dollars per year extension and

460
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 6: it's really three for seventy five with a forty five

461
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 6: million dollar fake option on the end. This is a

462
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 6: legit deal that becomes flat basically by the third new year,

463
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 6: and so for the Vikings it is a substantial investment.

464
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 6: Time will tell if that investment pays off. Certainly, if

465
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 6: Justin Jefferson becomes the twenty twenty through twenty twenty two

466
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 6: Justin Jefferson again and is able to stay healthy and

467
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 6: help out a young quarterback who you're developing, it's going

468
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 6: to be worth every penny. But I would say, you know,

469
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Speaker 6: structure wise, just the fact that this was really legit

470
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Speaker 6: in terms of what the numbers were, and also on

471
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:04,160
Speaker 6: the fact that it completely blew away the wide receiver market,

472
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 6: because again you look at some of the other deals,

473
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 6: you know, and there was always like, what is DeVante

474
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 6: Adams deal? Really it was really a twenty two million

475
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 6: dollar extension but looked like twenty eight on paper, and

476
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 6: Tyreek Hilsey's ada missed his negotiation with the Chiefs that's well,

477
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 6: I want thirty, so they had to find a way

478
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,479
Speaker 6: on paper to make it look like thirty. Justin Jefferson

479
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 6: really got thirty five million a year. It's a lot

480
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 6: of money invested in a player. But you're with Justin Jefferson.

481
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 6: You're paying not just for the guy who scores touchdowns.

482
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,200
Speaker 6: You're paying for the gritty. You're paying for the guy

483
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 6: in first, You're paying for the face of the organization

484
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 6: and somebody who the Vikings are certainly anticipating and banking

485
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 6: on making, you know, making them sell a lot of

486
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Speaker 6: tickets for years to come.

487
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's box office material, right, I mean

488
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 3: from the day he got his first touchdown or the

489
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 3: day he stepped foot at TCOPC. Like, He's been a

490
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 3: generational talent, a generational superstar, and ultimately something that this

491
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 3: Minnesota community has never seen since Randy Moss.

492
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Speaker 6: But well, and think about that too, okay, because I

493
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 6: mean I grew up in Minneapolis and so I up watching.

494
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 6: It was a pretty good run there from like the

495
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 6: late eighties through the early nineties, win in a couple

496
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 6: World Series and go into a Stanley Cup Final. Obviously,

497
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 6: the Timberwolves started around that same time. The Vikings, starting

498
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 6: in ninety two when Dennis Green got there, became a

499
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 6: playoff team every year, and that built up to the

500
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 6: couple of NFC Championship Game appearances. But if you think

501
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 6: in my lifetime, I'm forty three, and who the absolute

502
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 6: face of Minnesota sports that transcends Minnesota sports, in other words,

503
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 6: a national face that is also the face of Minnesota.

504
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Speaker 6: I mean, the list top of my head. In baseball,

505
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 6: Kirby Pucket's really the only one. You can argue Joe

506
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 6: Mauer in there. But you know, Joe Mauer won an MVP.

507
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 6: I don't know that Joe Mauer was ever to a

508
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 6: Kirby Pucket type of a level. For the Vikings, it's

509
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 6: really been Randy Moss and now it's been Justin Jefferson.

510
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 6: Obviously Dante Culpepper had good years, but I don't think

511
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 6: Dante Culpepper was ever at that that type of off

512
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 6: the charts level. I mean, hockey, you can say, you

513
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,919
Speaker 6: know Gaberick, I mean there's not. Oh, there's a lot

514
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 6: of wild players. You put capriz off obviously now and

515
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 6: then you know, Anthony Edwards is really the first one

516
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 6: since Kevin Garnett. So it's along with the way of

517
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 6: saying I think that Justin Jefferson is in such rarefied

518
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 6: air that when you have those types of people, even

519
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 6: setting aside the player for a second, those types of

520
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 6: people who's everything you want to be about and puts

521
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 6: you on a different plane, and Vikings Jerseys become cool

522
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 6: and go in the game becomes cool like there is

523
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Speaker 6: there is a price on that, and in this case

524
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Speaker 6: of four years, one hundred forty million.

525
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Speaker 3: So how do you build around a player or a

526
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: person like that when it comes to organizing a team

527
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: like granted, you know there are still a lot of

528
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 3: guys on rookie contracts on this Karen roster on the

529
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball. So for the future, how

530
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 3: do you build around Justin Jefferson to ultimately get to

531
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Speaker 3: that ultimate goal.

532
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Speaker 6: By the way, there was no shade at Mike Madonnoll

533
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 6: they moved to Dallas was in prime set that one aside.

534
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 6: The way that you build around him is, like every team,

535
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 6: it's a resource asset allocation league. The Vikings right now

536
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 6: are in a position where Justin Jefferson is basically the quarterback.

537
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 6: He's the one eating up a large percentage of your cap.

538
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 6: It's not fifty to fifty five million where these quarterback

539
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 6: contracts are coming in now, it's thirty five million dollars

540
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 6: per year from a budgetary perspective. And this is what

541
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Speaker 6: rober Zinski's done better than anybody for twenty plus years,

542
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 6: is you look at this and you go, okay, well,

543
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 6: now we've got a rookie quarterback on a rookie contract.

544
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 6: We've got Sam Darnold who's making like it's around ten million.

545
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 6: Came for the exact numbers, even though we broke that

546
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 6: story at like two in the morning that night during

547
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 6: free agency. All that stuff blinds together. But you're thinking, okay,

548
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 6: we've got the quarterback room is much cheaper than the

549
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 6: league average, So that not only frees up the money

550
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 6: to go and get a Justin Jefferson, it also frees

551
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 6: up money if you spend one year and eight million dollars.

552
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 6: I think I got that one right on Aaron Jones.

553
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 6: You can have a high paid tight end in TJ. Hawkinson.

554
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 6: They're going to have to pay Christian Darris at some

555
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 6: point here too. You let the Neil Hunter move on

556
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 6: and he gets a big contract, but you spend that

557
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 6: money on a younger sending player in Jonathan Grenard, who

558
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 6: you're hoping to get some similar types of things from.

559
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Speaker 6: There's hard decisions in there too, you know the Harrison

560
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 6: Smith negotiation. Harry is a guy who the Vikings absolutely

561
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 6: want to finish his career in Minnesota. He's had to

562
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 6: take a haircut two years in a row to be

563
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 6: able to stick around. They've gotten younger. I think that

564
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 6: that's the macro thing you have to understand here, is

565
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 6: it's not yeah. I mean if tomorrow or let's say

566
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Speaker 6: in March, they go, all right, it's not working out

567
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 6: with j McCarthy, Sam Darnold's gone We're going to spend

568
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 6: sixty million a year on Dak Prescott. Yeah, then the

569
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 6: numbers change, but they don't anticipate being in that position

570
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 6: for the next several years because even in the best

571
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 6: case scenario of JJ McCarthy, you can't do a new

572
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 6: deal with him under the CBA for three years. So

573
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 6: for the next three years. There's a lot of people

574
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Speaker 6: within the league who would argue in the modern day

575
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 6: NFL that three years is your best opportunity to build

576
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 6: and to go and try to win a Super Bowl.

577
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 6: You saw, you know, going back ten years or so,

578
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 6: you saw in Seattle had Russell Wilson on Networkie contract

579
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 6: and they went out and they signed you know, Cliff

580
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 6: Abril and Michael Bennett to all these like mid tier deals,

581
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 6: veteran dudes who are really good players who would come

582
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 6: in and supplement and the defense drove those early wins.

583
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Speaker 6: Once you pay Russell Wilson, that a damic's changed. San

584
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 6: Francisco has been doing it. You know. Everybody looks at

585
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 6: this and no, the CAP's a myth and all that stuff. No,

586
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 6: the CAP's not a myth. The CAP's just different when

587
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 6: your quarterback is making the league minimum versus when he's

588
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 6: making fifty million dollars plus per year. And so I

589
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 6: don't think that the windows closing by any stretch on

590
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Speaker 6: the forty nine ers. It'll never close. As long as

591
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 6: Kyle Shanahan's the head coach there with Brock Purdy, he's

592
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 6: gonna be going for making And I have to look

593
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 6: it up, it's like nine hundred thousand dollars or something

594
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 6: this year to fifty million plus in all likelihood come

595
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 6: the following season here, unless they want to play that

596
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 6: thing out and get into franchise tay Lamb, which I

597
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 6: don't think that anybody wants to do. But that's how

598
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 6: you can have Bosa, and you can pay Javon Hargrave,

599
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 6: and you can at least for now have Debo and

600
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Speaker 6: Brandon Ayuk, have George Kittle. You know, it's about keeping

601
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 6: your cap healthy. Where teams get into trouble, because again

602
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 6: the cap is not a myth. Where teams get into

603
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 6: trouble is where you continually take those older players and

604
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 6: you restructure and you kick cap money down the line.

605
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 6: You're still paying the cash now, but it's like a

606
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 6: credit card. You don't get charge interest on it, but

607
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 6: every dollar you spend has to be paid off eventually,

608
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 6: and that's where some teams. If you look right now,

609
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 6: San Francisco's done it a little bit. They've got three

610
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 6: hundred plus million dollars in cap commitments for twenty twenty five.

611
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 6: The Saints are perpetually there, and you know, their strategy

612
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 6: has just been keep rolling it forward into the future.

613
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 6: And but for a COVID year, they probably would have

614
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 6: been able to pay this thing off. Instead, they're kind

615
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 6: of buried right now and they're locked into some of

616
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 6: their their veteran players and it's going to take them

617
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 6: longer than they anticipate to claw their way out. You know,

618
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 6: the Vikings have never been They've long been as long

619
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 6: as Rob's been there, which is several different regimes. Now,

620
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 6: they've been a pay as you go type of team.

621
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 6: Everybody had to change that a little bit during COVID.

622
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 6: The Vikings were certainly one of the teams on that

623
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 6: list that started doing void years. The Packers have never

624
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 6: done void years. They started doing those. These are all

625
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 6: these they're not cap tricks, but they're cap mechanics that

626
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 6: you can utilize.

627
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: Here.

628
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 6: The Vikings, with a young quarterback, are able to have

629
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 6: a little bit more freedom than other teams for the

630
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 6: next several years. Here, Justin Jefferson, I mean Justin Jefferson

631
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 6: at thirty five million dollars per year is still like

632
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 6: that's below Daniel Jones money. To put it in perspective,

633
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 6: do you've got if he's the quarterback from a cap perspective,

634
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 6: you've got one of the cheaper quarterbacks in the league.

635
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 6: Except he's the best wide receiver in all of football.

636
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 6: And now you're just hoping JJ McCarthy's list Sam Donald

637
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 6: can get them the football.

638
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: Now, you mentioned Sam Donald and JJ McCarthy being able

639
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: to battle it out here at training camp.

640
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 4: However, Kevin O'Connell.

641
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: Made sure to say before we head into camp, putting

642
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: the rumors to bed, Sam Donald will be the starter

643
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: as we head into camp. How do you see that

644
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: competition playing out through camp and then into the preseason.

645
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 6: You kind of mumbled that last part heading into camp.

646
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 6: I thought you were about to make a proclamation. No no, no,

647
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 6: no no, no, no no no no. Listen, listen to Sam Donald.

648
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 6: Everything I've been told has been that he's had a

649
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 6: really good spring. He's got familiarity in the bones of

650
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 6: that offense. He worked with Kyle Shanahan last year. He

651
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 6: knows how to do those things. Coming out back in

652
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 6: twenty eighteen, you know, all the physical tools were there.

653
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 6: He was a super young dude. I think he was

654
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 6: twenty when he got drafted, big arm, athletic ability, had

655
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Speaker 6: had a lot of productivity, just had a trait for

656
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 6: turning the football over. I believe he threw fifteen interceptions

657
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 6: his last year. Somewhere on there's like twenty touchdown fifteen interceptions,

658
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 6: something like that. A usc and that's kind of been

659
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 6: the story of Sam Donald's career so far in the NFL,

660
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Speaker 6: which is you talk to coaches and front office people

661
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Speaker 6: who've been around him at several different stops. He's on

662
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Speaker 6: his fourteen, they'll say, in practice he can do it.

663
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Speaker 6: In practice, he sees it and he rips it. It's

664
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Speaker 6: when he gets into the games and things move a

665
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Speaker 6: little bit faster, and then you start to see the

666
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Speaker 6: footwork get out of whack and you'll make some of

667
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Speaker 6: those catastrophic types of errors that cloud the good things

668
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Speaker 6: that he does on the face. So is Kevin O'Connell

669
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Speaker 6: the guy who gets through there in terms of cutting

670
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Speaker 6: those things out how much did Kyle Shanahan's influence last

671
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 6: year also play a part in that. I'm not surprised

672
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Speaker 6: at all that Sam Darnold, having been the guy who's

673
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Speaker 6: been here since the middle of April, would get the

674
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Speaker 6: nod take the first strips in training camp. I don't

675
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Speaker 6: take that as any sort of a sign though, that

676
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Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy doesn't have a chance or won't be the

677
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 6: starter in Week one. I believe this is truly a competition.

678
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Speaker 6: JJ McCarthy has played a lot of football. He's played

679
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Speaker 6: in a pro style offense. He's been under center. He's

680
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Speaker 6: not like your average quarterback coming up from college now

681
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 6: where they've been in a spread offense. They've clapped for

682
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Speaker 6: the snap and stuff like JJ McCarthy has had real

683
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Speaker 6: NFL type stuff on his plate. The questions on him,

684
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Speaker 6: the holes that people poked in the pre draft process

685
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Speaker 6: was well, why didn't Michigan throw the ball more? There's

686
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Speaker 6: games where he's throwing the ball fifteen times, and that's

687
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Speaker 6: a valid thing in terms of you haven't seen it.

688
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Speaker 6: But I also know that people who went and watched

689
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Speaker 6: him throw live really impressed with the arm talent, the

690
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Speaker 6: types of throws that he can make. He's certainly got

691
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Speaker 6: the aptitude forward, he's got the intelligence, he's got the

692
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Speaker 6: work ethic, he's somebody that everybody likes to be around

693
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Speaker 6: within the building, good relationship with teammates, all that stuff.

694
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Speaker 6: So if he comes out and he plays well in

695
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Speaker 6: the preseason and in training camp, I don't see any

696
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 6: reason the JJ McCarthy wouldn't have a path to be

697
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 6: the starter. But I also think it's important to remember,

698
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Speaker 6: as much as we get impatient in the media and

699
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 6: fans and probably people in the building too, this is

700
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Speaker 6: about the next you know, minimum three, but really the

701
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Speaker 6: next Ye're hoping ten years plus with JJ McCarthy, where

702
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Speaker 6: it's all about putting him in the best position possible.

703
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Speaker 6: And if they feel like they get toward the end

704
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Speaker 6: of the preseason he could use six weeks, eight weeks

705
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Speaker 6: on the scout team. I would anticipate that they're going

706
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Speaker 6: to do that here and they feel like in Sam Donald,

707
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Speaker 6: you know the reason they paid him that number nine

708
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 6: million whatever it was. This is bugging me now, but

709
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 6: it was somewhere around there. They paid him that because

710
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Speaker 6: they believe, Hey, if the rookie quarterback isn't ready to

711
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Speaker 6: go out of the gate. We can go win games

712
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Speaker 6: with Sam Donald.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you had it right.

714
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Speaker 4: The first time it was ten.

715
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Speaker 6: Yeah, last year with San Francisco there was like eleven

716
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 6: or something too. So they all run together, right.

717
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Speaker 3: Don't overthink it, Tom, but one person or I guess,

718
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: one phase of this team that's going to help our quarterbacks,

719
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Speaker 3: not overthink as our defenses side of the ball. Brian

720
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Speaker 3: floor as the looks that he's going to give JJ

721
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 3: McCarthy who's on the scout team, or Sam Darnold in

722
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: training camp, that is going to help prepare those guys

723
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Speaker 3: when it comes to this regular season. But I know

724
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Speaker 3: we have spent a lot of time talking offense, but defense.

725
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Speaker 3: Brian floores year two, what are your thoughts on that?

726
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Speaker 6: Well, I think you're hoping that you're only going to

727
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 6: get better in terms of just the knowledge of the

728
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 6: system there. They're so multiple. Harrison Phillips explained it really

729
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 6: well to me in the interview we did on The

730
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 6: Insiders last year, just going through all the different checks

731
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Speaker 6: and the things that happened before the snap. It's very complicated.

732
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Speaker 6: It's also something that players enjoyed because they do have

733
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Speaker 6: to be thinking. They're not just playing the exact same

734
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Speaker 6: defense on every single snap. So you would think in

735
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Speaker 6: year two of that, you're going to get better at it.

736
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Speaker 6: You know, the question is how quickly can some of

737
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Speaker 6: those young guys come along, because it's a hard defense

738
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Speaker 6: to learn. I mean, you go back through the history

739
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Speaker 6: with the Patriots here, I don't know, I'd have to

740
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Speaker 6: look it up. I don't know how many you know,

741
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 6: draft picks were out there and starting from week one,

742
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Speaker 6: A lot of times it's all right, figure out the

743
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 6: things you can do. Now, let's have you do those

744
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 6: things until you're willing. You know, you're ready to do

745
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 6: more here. So for Dallas Turner, does that mean that

746
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 6: he's playing thirty snaps a game? Is he ready to

747
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 6: play sixty seventy snaps a game? Out of the gate?

748
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Speaker 6: Jonathan Gernard? How does he adjust to the system. A

749
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Speaker 6: lot of those things are going to kind of be,

750
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Speaker 6: you know, feeling it out through the course of training

751
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Speaker 6: camp and even into the regular season. I mean there

752
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Speaker 6: were times last year, in part because of you know,

753
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Speaker 6: the injuries they had in the secondary and everything else where,

754
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Speaker 6: there were rolling dudes out there who hadn't played a

755
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 6: particular position or they were going to a totally different

756
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 6: type of a defense than they had played, just because

757
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 6: it was, you know, reaction to personnel. I think that

758
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Speaker 6: as players, you like that. It's definitely more challenging and

759
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Speaker 6: if it doesn't work, you're probably going to get ticked

760
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Speaker 6: off about it. But I think a lot of times

761
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 6: times last year with what Flores was working with. I

762
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Speaker 6: know this talking to other coaches.

763
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Speaker 2: Within the league.

764
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Speaker 6: They were really impressed by the job that he did,

765
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Speaker 6: and I would think that, you know, again, you're younger,

766
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 6: you have less experience when the Danil Hunters of the

767
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 6: world move on, but they've got some young dudes they're

768
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 6: they're banking on, and they're paying and they've invested in

769
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Speaker 6: to go ahead and make an impact right away.

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Speaker 3: Well, Tom, I'm Tatum and I are both are looking

772
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Speaker 3: forward to seeing you at training camp this year. I

773
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: know we have a little bit of time between now

774
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Speaker 3: and then, but in the meantime, stay safe, stay healthy,

775
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: and we'll see you soon.

776
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Speaker 2: Appreciate you joining us today.

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Speaker 3: You got it, guess you said, Well, it looks like

778
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: Tom Pelasaro is enjoying his I guess quote unquote time off.

779
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 3: He's moving at the time while still breaking news, and

780
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: like like Tatum said before, the work never stops. But

781
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Speaker 3: it is interesting to hear Tom's take on just this

782
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: team so far. I believe his excitement or his thought

783
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 3: process is similar to everyone else's. Like there's a lot

784
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 3: of open competitions when it comes to this current Minnesota

785
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 3: Vikings right stan Jay training camp, but is going to

786
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: be very, very fun for viewers.

787
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I just think they always knock it out

788
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 5: of the park, especially when they do the kind of

789
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 5: back together weekend type stuff all the coverage. Having a

790
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 5: guy like Tom here locally in Minnesota is great to

791
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 5: have access to him, But when NFL Network and you know,

792
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 5: you guys were participating that kind of stuff here as well,

793
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Speaker 5: having that ability to be able to kind of break

794
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Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff down with all the experts,

795
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Speaker 5: it's a great luxury to have. I think the idea

796
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Speaker 5: that one thing that's really interesting that that really stuck

797
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Speaker 5: with me was when he started talking about kind of

798
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Speaker 5: the history of Minnesota sports.

799
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Speaker 4: You know, yeah, that's really cool and I are.

800
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Speaker 5: Of a similar age and he's not wrong, and the idea,

801
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Speaker 5: you know, I would add in a Peterson Adrian Peterson

802
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 5: on the biking side like that was kind of an era.

803
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Speaker 5: But I do feel like with Justin officially signing here

804
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 5: and kind of being able to then be that leader

805
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 5: for this team, all eyes are going to continue to

806
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 5: be on him, especially in training camp. There's I think

807
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 5: we as of a couple of weeks ago when we

808
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 5: were talking to Keenan, I think there's twelve guys in

809
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 5: that room right now fighting for roster spots, and so

810
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 5: there's going to be a lot of competition in the

811
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Speaker 5: wide receiver room, a lot of competition in the secondary,

812
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Speaker 5: even some of the kind of linebacker positions and everything.

813
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Speaker 5: So there's just a lot of storylines to pay attention

814
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 5: to with camp coming up here, and that's part of

815
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Speaker 5: the reason why everyone's really excited to get back to

816
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 5: camp is the idea of there's a lot of stuff

817
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 5: we got to figure out and find out over about

818
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Speaker 5: a six week span, so I'm looking.

819
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Speaker 2: Forward to it.

820
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Speaker 1: My favorite takeaway would probably have to be when he

821
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: was talking about the defense at the end, saying it's

822
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: like hard for these young guys to learn this, and

823
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: so there's I'm curious to go maybe try and research

824
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Speaker 1: that track record of like Patriots defenders who were drafted,

825
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Speaker 1: who played their rookie season for Brian and Belichick while

826
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Speaker 1: he was there.

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Speaker 4: Obviously that would be really interesting.

828
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Speaker 2: But then veterans.

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Speaker 1: But then it brought me back to Ivan Pace junior

830
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Speaker 1: because you see a guy who wasn't even drafted start

831
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Speaker 1: in Brian Flores's defense after learning it that quick, I mean,

832
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Speaker 1: I think like just hearing Tom say that made me

833
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: really appreciate Ivan and what he was able to accomplish

834
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Speaker 1: last season.

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Speaker 5: Think about how big of a whiff that is for

836
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 5: a lot of teams that need linebacker help. And it

837
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 5: might be a product of perfect player, perfect system, that

838
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 5: kind of stuff, But that is one of those things

839
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Speaker 5: that when you hear scouts, you know, when careers are

840
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 5: done and everything, and they're like, how do we miss

841
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 5: on this guy while he was undersized and he didn't

842
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 5: fit these you know, these metrics and stats and that

843
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 5: kind of thing. That guy showed up on the field

844
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 5: immediately was people were raising eyebrows, going, this guy is

845
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 5: showing out. So like to get a guy like that

846
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Speaker 5: and have him work in that kind of a system,

847
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 5: I think that is a huge feather in the cap

848
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Speaker 5: of knowing the scouts that worked with him, but the

849
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 5: coaches that have helped develop him over that short amount

850
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 5: of time. So just a lot of work on his part,

851
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 5: but at the same point, for everyone in the organization

852
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 5: to identify him as an asset, I think it was

853
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 5: it was a huge win for.

854
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Speaker 3: Us to see him floorish and is Brian Flora's defense

855
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: in year two. I think that is one of the

856
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: exciting parts for fans who will be tuning in this year.

857
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: But other exciting part about this Minnesota Vikings team, or

858
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: at least this Minnesota Vikings organization, is some of the

859
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: promotions that have come from within when it comes to

860
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: the business side or the football side of this organization.

861
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: I know on Vikings dot Com there have been eleven

862
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: people promoted on the business side, including two new hires.

863
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: So there is a point of emphasis from Quacy and

864
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: the front office staff to continue to promote within because

865
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: he's trying to build something here and clearly this organization

866
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: is trending in the right way when it comes to

867
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Speaker 3: retaining people and ultimately working towards a Super Bowl I

868
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Speaker 3: guess hoisting a Super Bowl trophy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think even Elbert Breer had an article this past

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Speaker 5: week saying that one of the teams that he's been

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Speaker 5: kind of keeping tabs on with the way that we've

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Speaker 5: been doing things, and he feels like we're kind of

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Speaker 5: the sleep sleeper team to set up for success was

875
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Speaker 5: the Minnesota Vikings, and so it was nice to see that.

876
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Speaker 5: It feels like on the national level, even people see

877
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Speaker 5: that they're not resting on their laurels after that initial

878
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Speaker 5: season and kind of the dip last year, that everyone

879
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Speaker 5: is you know, doubling and tripling down in order to

880
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Speaker 5: try to advance this organization. And you know, we see

881
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Speaker 5: it behind the scenes with the amount of people that

882
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Speaker 5: are working really hard and the amount of promotions. So

883
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Speaker 5: it feels like there's a lot of kudos that need

884
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Speaker 5: to go out to people for those those public ascensions

885
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Speaker 5: that they've gotten here at this point. And so it's

886
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Speaker 5: been it's been good and rewarding to see people that

887
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Speaker 5: have been working really hard get rewarded that way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I love all those people. They're great.

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Speaker 3: Lindsay Young did a greater article. She just posted a

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Speaker 3: an article earlier this week talking about the player health

891
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Speaker 3: performance plus the football staff promotions on that side. So

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Speaker 3: if you are interested, it's on Vikings dot com. Right

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Speaker 3: now and Jay, before we get out of here. I

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Speaker 3: know we're going to talk about the n season hard

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Speaker 3: Knocks AFC North that was on the I guess on

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Speaker 3: our list today of things to talk about. But I

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Speaker 3: want to pivot because before we started this podcast, we

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Speaker 3: talked about the Baltimore Ravens and apparently they have just

899
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Speaker 3: announced their new helmet or their new I don't know

900
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Speaker 3: that the actual term, but like, I'm just going to

901
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Speaker 3: call it the city edition of their jerseys, and essentially

902
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Speaker 3: they have purple helmets.

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Speaker 1: Now, wait, why do they look like they're like the

904
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Speaker 1: gold trim Washington like University.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they I.

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Speaker 4: Don't I don't like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure how I feel about them. But

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of Vikings they.

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Speaker 1: Train they're like Vegas Gold. They're like trying to steal

910
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Speaker 1: the purple and gold, but be Vegas Gold exactly.

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Speaker 3: So I think they're still trying to figure out what

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Speaker 3: they want to do. But I know a lot of

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Speaker 3: Vikings fans when they saw the purple helmet, they.

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Speaker 4: Were not is that real or is that a troll account?

915
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Speaker 3: Check? That's the Minnesota Wild account that was a troll

916
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Speaker 3: account apparently because though their jerseys aren't new.

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Speaker 2: For people who was watching that purple purple rising.

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Speaker 1: Is that I feel like that's a Prince reference kind

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Speaker 1: of right, like purple rain. I know it's not, but purple.

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Speaker 5: I mean for them, basically, what they're doing is they're

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Speaker 5: they're doing an alternate helmet instead of the typical black helmet.

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Speaker 5: But I also know that there's been some weirdness over

923
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Speaker 5: the years about you know, the Viking purple versus this

924
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Speaker 5: Ravens purple and what we can and can't wear and

925
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Speaker 5: everything there.

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Speaker 2: Is more like deeper deeper huehe.

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Speaker 1: Right like that, Like I feel like like that pointing,

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Speaker 1: like you guys can see that Gabe's wearing Vikings polo.

929
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Speaker 2: Yeah purple.

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Speaker 4: I kind of just feel like their purple. I've always

931
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Speaker 4: thought of.

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Speaker 1: Their purple as being a little bit darker, yeah than

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Speaker 1: Vikings purple.

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Speaker 5: Do you want to know that the fun little history nuggets?

935
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Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, Jay, I feel like you might know all

936
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Speaker 4: this because you deal with the color.

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Speaker 2: To my second week on the job in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 5: So the deal is the Baltimore Ravens purple, Okay, is

939
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Speaker 5: the original Vikings purple? No way or that they wore

940
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Speaker 5: was that dark purple.

941
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Speaker 4: So what happened.

942
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Speaker 5: So what happened was back when uh, the Viking shifted

943
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Speaker 5: and we went to like Puma and Reebok and some

944
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Speaker 5: of these other companies. When they started, it was the

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Speaker 5: free for all of jerseys and teams could kind of

946
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Speaker 5: cut their own deals before the NFL cut a deal

947
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Speaker 5: said we're all working right now with Nike, and everybody's

948
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Speaker 5: working with Nike for their color schemes. The Vikings at

949
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Speaker 5: that time when they went with the other if you

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Speaker 5: remember like the old ninety eight jerseys, the purple tone

951
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Speaker 5: was different. It was lighter, and that was essentially the

952
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 5: lighter purple. We're like, okay, this is what we're working with.

953
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Speaker 5: And we worked with that for a very long time,

954
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Speaker 5: and then it got to a point one year when

955
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Speaker 5: they were trying to do some different color schemes for

956
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Speaker 5: jerseys and that kind of stuff, and we actually had said, hey,

957
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Speaker 5: we you know, because we're doing whatever anniversary of purple

958
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 5: people leaders and the Super Bowl teams and that kind

959
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 5: of stuff, we want to try to work with this

960
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 5: other color. And we were basically told we couldn't because

961
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 5: that's the Ravens color now. So we petitioned to say, well,

962
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 5: that was our original color, and they said, well, the

963
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Speaker 5: Ravens have been established long enough that the raven that

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Speaker 5: purple now is the purple that the Ravens have. Wow,

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00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 5: and now the Vikings are we have this other lighter

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00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 5: shade of purple. So that's that's why it's even more

967
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 5: one of those things. When I saw it this morning,

968
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 5: it kind of made kind of kind of grin, going like,

969
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 5: this is just another little nugget in this.

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Speaker 4: A purple hulmet with a black caid like the front

971
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 4: would be cool.

972
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 5: Well the deal, yeah, I.

973
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: Would look exactly like our home home is. Then, because

974
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: we have purple and black face masks.

975
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 4: Do we have black faced white?

976
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: Well, the classic jerseys are white. Yeah. Great.

977
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't even pay that much attention to these things,

978
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: can you tell? But I just love like uniforms, Like, oh,

979
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: it's right there, I see it. But that's the thing,

980
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: Like legitimately, I don't know why I had I thought

981
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: it was white.

982
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: But that's the thing.

983
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 5: Like everyone think about the fact that we put out

984
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 5: the Winter Warrior jerseys and the helmets and everything, and

985
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 5: everyone's like, man, that's cool.

986
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: We should do X, Y and Z thing.

987
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 5: It's like that literally is years in the process to

988
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 5: try to get approvals and all that kind of stuff.

989
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 5: So like for them to do this, they've known that

990
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 5: this is coming. So to me when I saw it

991
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 5: this morning, I was just like, you know, just another

992
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 5: little interesting thing of oh, they were permitted to do

993
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: a purple helmet with a gold face mask and all

994
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 5: this kind of stuff. So it just made me again,

995
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 5: made me smirk and go like, yeah, I mean.

996
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: They can't do it. It's a different gold. Yeah, it's

997
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 4: a different goal.

998
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 5: The shiny gold.

999
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: It's a unique and history less.

1000
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 5: So another behind the scenes thing then is two thousand

1001
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 5: two and ninety ten when five was here, Washington University

1002
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 5: was playing in a bowl game, like a New Year'sday

1003
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 5: bowl game, and the team had been doing well and everything,

1004
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 5: and Five came in to do an interview with us,

1005
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 5: and as he was walking out, it was on the TV.

1006
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 5: The game was on the TV, and he's like, man,

1007
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 5: those are sharp, and it was the black pants with

1008
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 5: the purple top. And they actually tried to push and

1009
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 5: see if we could get black pants for the back

1010
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 5: end of the season, and we were basically told like, yeah,

1011
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 5: there's like years of approval to try to get through

1012
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 5: that process so that since it wasn't part of our

1013
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 5: color palette, and we were also told we can't do

1014
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 5: black pants.

1015
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 4: Because of the Ravens, So what's the argument.

1016
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 3: I don't like.

1017
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 4: I don't like black pants with the purple and goal

1018
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 4: that we have.

1019
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: Uh No, but I think if we had like an

1020
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: all black jersey like all, that.

1021
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: Would be different. That would be different. I wouldn't put

1022
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: black pants with the jerseys that we have.

1023
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking about like our.

1024
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: Prime time like our primetime purple jerseys, exactly like the

1025
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: Ravens purple Rising jerseys. Is this we're purple and gold

1026
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: and their purple.

1027
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: We're purple?

1028
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 4: Yet well, yeah, you know what, I didn't even think

1029
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 4: about that.

1030
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, don't, don't get me started. Oh, it

1031
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: is what it is.

1032
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 5: And so it's just one of those things.

1033
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: We should put them in a game with us where

1034
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: we have to wear the competing colors like that.

1035
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: Maybe that's a future game of matten you basically, Madam

1036
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 3: twenty five, you play you.

1037
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: Know who you're throwing to.

1038
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 5: How about we wear black pants with a purple top

1039
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 5: and they wear they wear purple?

1040
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to confuse the crap out of everybody.

1041
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 3: That'll be great. Well, this was this was a fun podcast.

1042
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 3: Next week we will be back and I'm looking forward

1043
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: to our upcoming guests. I know Vikings fans are probably saying, well, look,

1044
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: the players aren't here anymore. There's no more press conferences.

1045
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 3: So what do the Vikings Entertainment Network do? Well, stay

1046
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: tuned the Vikings dot com because there's so many different

1047
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: cool content pieces that are coming out. So, Jay, I

1048
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: know you're working on a few. Tatum, I know you're

1049
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: working on a few. Our entire Vikings organization will have

1050
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: some creative stuff coming out for you guys. So, like

1051
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Speaker 3: I said before, it makes you stay tuned to Vikings

1052
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: dot com and our app and our socials for the

1053
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: most up to date coverage of the team. So for

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Speaker 3: j Nelson, Tatum Everett, Tom Pelsero, who is our special

1055
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Speaker 3: guest today, My name is Gabe Henderson. Thank you guys

1056
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Speaker 3: again for tuning into episode two seventy seven of the

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