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Speaker 3: It's way Wait a minute, I said, I runs dressed ends.

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Speaker 1: P hey boo, it's me Runs. How are you me?

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest, I'm exhausted. I I just completed another

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Speaker 3: I absolutely I'm in heaven, but I'm also like exhausted.

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Speaker 3: My body's not used to it. But I had a

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Speaker 3: I'm always looking out from my babies. I had to say, hey,

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Speaker 3: And this particular celebrity was like, I love that stuff,

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Speaker 3: I never like to say who, what, when, where any

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Speaker 3: I also was talking to the Cavern Club Theater, where

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Speaker 3: I don't know, would you come here in Los Angeles

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Speaker 3: How about that? Sorry, I don't know if you can

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Speaker 3: hear Rocky. He is right by my side because I've

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Speaker 3: So this first story comes from Margharita. Hi Roz, new

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Speaker 3: I've never shared my personal experience before, especially since it's

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Speaker 3: We are joined for our first ever three peat guest.

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Speaker 3: One of my absolute favorites, one of your favorites, the

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Speaker 1: Katrina is back.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, I love that intro about the best eye

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Speaker 2: When the confessions happened, he owned the property. And when

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: So having with you having so much experience going to

438
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: different haunted places where horrific things have happened. The conversation

439
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 3: that often comes up on this show and in paranormal

440
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: conversations is like this idea of telling people, you know,

441
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: should you tell people that people were murdered here? And

442
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: I know some different states have different laws about that.

443
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that, Like, if something if

444
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: something horrific happens at a location, do you how do

445
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: you feel about do you have any insight on on

446
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 3: that from your oath?

447
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean just from a real estate standpoint,

448
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 2: I think there should be laws where you have to

449
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 2: tell that because that could affect resale, you know. And

450
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: I think if you're making an investment, you need to know,

451
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: you know, what's involved with that property you're building. I

452
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: don't think it's any different from needing to know, Oh yeah,

453
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: you know you need a new sump bump, or the

454
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: roof was only replaced twenty years ago, so in ten

455
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 2: years you might need a new one. I think it's

456
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: the same thing.

457
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like not even in a paranormal way.

458
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 3: It's like now you could be having camera crew show

459
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: up to your house one day, or people might be

460
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 3: doing documentaries, or people might be driving by taking pictures.

461
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: Like I feel like that's a thing you need to

462
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: know before you move in someplace.

463
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I totally agree. And as far as the haunting,

464
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't know, it's hard to say.

465
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: I think should there be a law, I'm not sure,

466
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: but because I think there's you have houses like Amityville

467
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: right where all the owners since the lotsus have never

468
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: experienced anything. So just because the place or a family

469
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: is experiencing activity doesn't mean that it's always going to

470
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: be that way.

471
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: Right, But I know you are by purchasing this, you

472
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: now have a responsibility to get asked constantly to do interviews,

473
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: you know, like people are there, you're there's something, there's

474
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: more than just living in a peaceful house, Like it

475
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: comes with this stigma of this house, you know, like right,

476
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: there is I feel like people should know that. But

477
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: it's also like it's it's one of those weird things,

478
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: like legally do you have to tell people if it's haunted?

479
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Now?

480
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: I feel like saying it's haunted is different than like

481
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: there's been murders and rightf like that, But.

482
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: I don't know.

483
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,239
Speaker 3: I feel like the conclusion I always come to is

484
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: like if it's super well known as being haunted to

485
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: the point where people are going to be like bothering

486
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: you about the fact that it's haunted, and I feel

487
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: like you should know that, but like you also run

488
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 3: the risk of talking.

489
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: To people that are like what what do you are?

490
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: You crazy telling me that there's ghosts in this I

491
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: don't even believe in that. I don't want to buy

492
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: from you, like right, like, I don't know, it's it's

493
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: a weird thing. I mean, as believers and ghosts. Yeah,

494
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: I see where it's like I would want to know

495
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: that I would want to tell people that or whatever.

496
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: But I feel like there's so many people don't even

497
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: believe in that stuff, so it would be just be

498
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: weird for them to know.

499
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

500
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: I feel like if I was a real estate person,

501
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: i'd be like just say, you know, people.

502
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: Say yeah, yeah. And I think you bring up an

503
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: excellent point about, you know, if you're going to be

504
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: bothered by interviewers, camera crews, ghost hunters because there.

505
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: Are Irina Widemen and Jack Osborne knocking on your door.

506
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: And it's funny though, because that's happened a couple of

507
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: times to me. I can think of one neighborhood where

508
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: we were like screamed out of there. And this was

509
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: almost ten years ago, and it's a haunting in New York.

510
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: It's in Seaford, New York, and they had a haunting

511
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: for six weeks. It was very intense. It was documented

512
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: by police, psychologists, news reporters, and then it stopped. As

513
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: mysteriously as it started, it stopped and we went to

514
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: the neighborhood with a camera crew just to check it out.

515
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: And I mean, and you know this, you work in

516
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: the entertainment industry. Legally, you can film from a sidewalk,

517
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: but neighbors of the house we were looking at were

518
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: screaming at us and they were very angry that we

519
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: were there. So I mean, you do you know, I

520
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: think there is something to be considered there that if

521
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: you're going to purchase a house that has that kind

522
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: of history to it, you know, maybe you should know.

523
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

524
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's like a whole thing that you'll

525
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: have to deal with just by living there. Well, I

526
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: want to get back to this farm episode you I

527
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: think this is the episode. Maybe I'm wrong, but one

528
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: of these episodes you like started like kind of laying

529
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: down and taking a nap or something, which I know

530
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: you've had like so much experience with like paranormal Lockdown

531
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: and all your years of experience, but like, are you

532
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: the kind of person that can just take a nap

533
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: any like at a haunted place? Like if I heard

534
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: all those stories, I won't I won't sleep for weeks

535
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: no matter where I am.

536
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: But like, can you just sleep during that?

537
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

538
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: I think now I can. After is after Lockdown, I

539
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: can pretty much sleep anywhere.

540
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was another thing I was thinking about with

541
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: that episode. You were doing kind of like a role

542
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: playing experiment to try to get some activity to happen.

543
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: And I was curious about that, like, what is your

544
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: experience with that does does it tend to work to

545
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: trigger activity if you kind of recreate things or yeah.

546
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: There's I think I've had some experiences where there seems

547
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: to be a response to it. Someone I worked with

548
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: was really great at it. Her name was Debbie Constantino.

549
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: Debbie has since passed away, unfortunately, but when I worked

550
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: with her first off, she was like an EVP queen.

551
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't matter where she went.

552
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 4: She would always get EVPs and they were always like

553
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: class A, class B EVPs.

554
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: And I remember one of the times I worked with her.

555
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: We were in Virginia City and she went into role

556
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: playing and she got like all these crazy answers and

557
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: she just pretended to be a prostitute and she was like, Hey,

558
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: I really need money, I really need a job. I

559
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: need to support myself. Who do I talk to? Can

560
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: you help me get money? Like she would just repeat

561
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: those things over and over again, and she would get

562
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: these answers in an e VP form that would correlate

563
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: with her question. There's other people, you know, reenactors. When

564
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: you go to historical places that will claim, uh, they

565
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: were doing a reenactment and then activity got crazy afterwards.

566
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: So you see a lot of things like that, So

567
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: you know, what's the rhyme or reason for that. I

568
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: can only speculate that maybe you're triggering something, you know,

569
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people too that use music,

570
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: so they'll use music for that time period to see

571
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: if it triggers anything. And then you can go into

572
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: the hole. Well, music is vibration and does vibration have

573
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: anything to do with the supernatural? And so I mean

574
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: there's to answer your question more in a more concise way.

575
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 2: I think there's there's some experiences that suggest that role

576
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: playing or reenacting would lead to activity, would lead to

577
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: a response, but it's definitely, you know, nothing conclusive.

578
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think it's like I guess with our

579
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: theater background, you and I'm like this sounds like fun, Like, yeah,

580
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: I want any opportunity I can just like put on

581
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: a costume and pretend to do a little scene for

582
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: the ghost.

583
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: That owner of the I guess Missus Clapper.

584
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: She she had such an interesting connection to the to

585
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: the ghosts there, and it seemed you seem to come

586
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: to the conclusion that she's.

587
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: Probably like a little psychic, which I thought was cool.

588
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Leslie is all heart, I mean, such a wonderfully

589
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: warm person. You can tell she is the glue of

590
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: that family, you know, she's I think she would be

591
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: the glue anywhere she went. She is just very what's

592
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: the word I'm looking for when you meet somebody that

593
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: you're like, like, she's just light, you know what I mean,

594
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: Like you're just like attracted to her energy. And I

595
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: think she is a very because she's such an empathetic person.

596
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: I think part of what she was experiencing is just

597
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: knowing what happened there and having a hard time accepting

598
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: that there's people that their families never knew what happened

599
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: to them, you know. I think that's part of it.

600
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: But she'd absolutely had, you know, experiences that she couldn't explain.

601
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: And what's interesting about that too, is a lot of

602
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: times you meet empathetic people who are tend to have

603
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: more paranormal experiences. So is that because they're more open

604
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: to it some way? You know, I, you know, I

605
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 2: would tend to say yes, And it seemed like with Leslie,

606
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: she had had these experiences prior to coming to the farm,

607
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: not in a way of a haunting really, but in

608
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: a way of like knowing things or having dreams that

609
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 2: would come true.

610
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: Or.

611
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: You know, she just kind of always had that sixth

612
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: sense about her.

613
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Anyway, let's get back to episodes. Okay, So then where

614
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: did you go? Was that?

615
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 4: Then?

616
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: The Hotel monte Vista?

617
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: We went right after that since you were in Colorado,

618
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: we ended up going to the Grant hum Freeze Mansion.

619
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: Oh yes, which is the one where you really showed

620
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: up your piano playing skills.

621
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I didn't know.

622
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Yeah. That was its beautiful place and

623
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: the only reason, I mean, funny enough, the only reason

624
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: we were able to get in there is because of

625
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: COVID because they normally do weddings and obviously so many

626
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: things were shut down so they couldn't do them. And

627
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: uh that was that was a really interesting investigation too,

628
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: because people have had been having experiences there for decades,

629
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 2: and you know, they have so many people in and

630
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: out that it's some sometimes that people don't know the

631
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: stories or they're having the same experiences independently of each other,

632
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 2: and they don't know each other. So the staff are

633
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: constantly hearing you know this, the repeated patterns over and

634
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 2: over again.

635
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 3: See, that's always That would be the fun part of

636
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 3: working at a haunted place where you can where someone

637
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: would be like, oh my god, something has happened, and

638
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: then you say, was it the woman in the white dress?

639
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 3: You know, like you have like the thing you have

640
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: the line that you get to say yeah. But with

641
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 3: that one, it was like something scary. It was like

642
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: a man with like half his face hanging off or something.

643
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: Wasn't that it was yeah, because the guy historically the

644
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: main guy was shot in the face, and there is

645
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: a lot of nobody really knows if it was suicide, murder,

646
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: or accident. And there you know, just as today, when

647
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: a tragedy happens, there's a lot of talk and a

648
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: lot of whisper down the lane, and sometimes people make

649
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: things up. And so there were stories of people seeing

650
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: someone dressed in all black leaving the balcony afterwards. Uh,

651
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: And you know, he was involved in some heavy legal

652
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: stuff at the time, so a suicide made sense, but

653
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: also a murder would make sense for that. And you know,

654
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: so nobody really knew what happened to him, but they've

655
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: been experiencing a lot of activity ever since it became

656
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: a public or semi public location.

657
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then you've got a psychic in there. You

658
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: got Sandy Keaza, who's always really fun to watch, and

659
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: she was like, oh, he didn't shoot himself, somebody shot him.

660
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

661
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: Cindy's interesting to watch too when she works, because she

662
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: she'll be on like one She'll she'll be saying one

663
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: thing and connected into some like one storyline, and then

664
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: she'll be like, wait, nope, nope, no, nope, that's it,

665
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: and then she'll turn on a dime. And that's what

666
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: happened with the shooting. She was like, Okay, I'm getting

667
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: something here. I need to go here. And as she's

668
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: telling us something, she's like, wait a minute, somebody was shot.

669
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: Somebody shot themselves.

670
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: What happened?

671
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: Something? Hold on? And so she went on this whole

672
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 2: journey with it. She was she was very connected into

673
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 2: that place. So that was that was particularly fascinating to

674
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: watch her work.

675
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: I mean, do these places I'm curious about.

676
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if we've ever talked about this together

677
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 3: about like get the ghosts out of here kind of situation,

678
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: cross them over or whatever I mean is that.

679
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: What you guys do you guys go to places.

680
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 3: That don't want that, or I know that's not really

681
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: like what your show is, but like how does that

682
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: come up with your location scouting and stuff.

683
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not something I personally do, and as

684
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: a team that, it's not something Jack and I do.

685
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: If somebody wanted that, we would bring in someone else

686
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: to do it, or if they wanted a blessing, we

687
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: would bring in somebody to do that. But because I

688
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: think my job more than anything, like, yes, I'm researching

689
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: these odd experiences and I want to document them, and

690
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: of course you always show respect for the history and

691
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: the people who have passed in connection to that, but

692
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: my job is more about helping the living because these

693
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: experiences can be really crazy and scary and isolating, and

694
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 2: so I always go with whatever the current owner wants

695
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: to do, you know, like do you want it clear?

696
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: Do you want like you know, I can, I'll tell

697
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: you the ins and outs of that. I'm always really

698
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: really honest with them that there's no guarantees and we

699
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: don't really know what the stuff is or how it works.

700
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: But if that makes you feel better, we can try it.

701
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 2: And like with Leslie and the Clappers on the McCormick farm.

702
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: We had a psychic come back to speak with them

703
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: directly and to kind of I'm trying to remember if

704
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: he did a blessing or if he just did a

705
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: reading for them, but you know that was part of

706
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: the investigation because they Leslie wanted closure that way. So

707
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: it all depends on the on the people. It's really

708
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: whatever they want is what we'll we'll try to do

709
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: to help them.

710
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: So then where did you guys go after that?

711
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: I think it was back to Pennsylvania. I think maybe

712
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: was it Penhurst.

713
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: Or let's talk about that.

714
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it was fun to see because you've you've

715
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: been there a bunch of times and that place is

716
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: an old asylum. Now having been there a lot of

717
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 3: times and doing repead investigations at a lot of different places,

718
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: do you ever have you encountered ghosts that are like, oh,

719
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: Katrina's back, like.

720
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: Me with you on this podcast the third time.

721
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: There's been a couple times I've been places repeated and

722
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: it will it's like they'll get my name on an

723
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: EVP or yeah, like so weird things like that have

724
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: happened in the past. Penhurst, I find well, I find

725
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: more what happens is the more you go back, the

726
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: more you realize that whatever is going on there isn't

727
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: consistent in the way that maybe it's we think of

728
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: activity to be consistent, you know, we can't. I think

729
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: we just sort of had this image of like paranormal

730
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: activity to be this baseline of this always happens blah

731
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: blah blah, and it doesn't really work like that. You

732
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: can go into someplace that you've had a really crazy experience,

733
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: and the next time you go in it's completely you know,

734
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: I mean a pun but dead, you know. So I

735
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: think with something like Penhurst that it's been interesting because

736
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: I've been they were like seven or eight times at

737
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: this point, and it's different every single time.

738
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 3: Well, especially because there's probably just so many different energies there,

739
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: and then people are going in there and they're doing

740
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 3: their rituals that are maybe stirring things up, and there's

741
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 3: just it just seems like there's like an open door

742
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: or whatever. I don't know, there's just a lot of

743
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: different energies. Yeah you're going to get yeah, exactly.

744
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it also has to

745
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: do with the people you're with. And I was just

746
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: talking about this with Rob Zaffi the other day, who

747
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: was the director of photography, producer coep of Paranormal Lockdown,

748
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: and we were saying, how it just sort of seems

749
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: like the crazy experiences that we've had have been when

750
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: we were on Lockdown, not that we haven't had other experiences,

751
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: but just like the craziest of the craziest, you know,

752
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: happened on that show. And we were kind of just

753
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: you know, chatting, what it doesn't have anything to do

754
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: with the energy that was involved from us, And I've

755
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: definitely been to some places where you know, owners will

756
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: speak to that, Oh, it only happens if if Bobby's here,

757
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: you know, it only happens if if Jimmy is with us.

758
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: So I don't know. It's it's interesting.

759
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: So you know, it's it's an old asylum and it

760
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: has a history that I appreciate that they acknowledge, you know,

761
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 3: that was terrible conditions for the people that that were there. Yeah,

762
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: I wonder since you've been to so many of these,

763
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 3: you know, I guess there's a lot of different terms.

764
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of terms for these places

765
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: are like so outdated, Like some of these like lunatic asilence.

766
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: I don't even know if you would say that today,

767
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: but like you know, you've been to so many of

768
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: these asylums and places.

769
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: Do you notice patterns with that type of haunting?

770
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, I know, I know I'm kind of

771
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: going against what you just said, but I mean, do

772
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: you notice like a different type of vibe in those

773
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 3: kinds of places that's you know, seems to repeat it.

774
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: I think in those types of places what's interesting is

775
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: the activity kind of turns on a dime. When it does,

776
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: it turns very quickly, so it's a thing that you

777
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: could feel fine, and then all of a sudden you

778
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: know that the space is different. And I know that

779
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: sounds kind of woo woo, but there I cannot think

780
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 2: of a better way to explain it. Like you just

781
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: have to experience it and you'll know exactly what I'm

782
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: talking about if you've had it's very Yeah, I would

783
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: say asylums prisons maybe in the same way, where it's

784
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: the energy can shift so dramatically and you just know

785
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: that there's something off and something with you. Whatever that is,

786
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: the energy is changed. It's hard to say, because I

787
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: think asylums especially they're normally ginormous locations, and so many

788
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 2: people came in and out of there, and and not

789
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: just during its life, but also now that ghost cops

790
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: are really popular. So I think the challenging part is

791
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: keeping all those stories straight and documenting them. And I know,

792
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 2: even the places that really pride themselves on doing that,

793
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: some things kind of fall through the cracks just because

794
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: it's so it's such a high volume of people experiencing things.

795
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: You know, I've asked this, I've asked people before, PARALLELM

796
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: investigators before. You're a good person to answer this because

797
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: of you know, producing these shows and stuff. Have you

798
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 3: encountered any abandoned hospital, asylum or jail that is not haunted?

799
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: I don't know that I have, because we purposely seek

800
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: out the ones that are. So we purposely seek out

801
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 2: the one that have uh people witnesses, you know.

802
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: But like there can't be one like there is there

803
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: one like that would feel like you're like the youngest

804
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: child that never lives up to your expectations or.

805
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: Whatever like that.

806
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 3: I feel bad for one of those buildings if they're

807
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: not haunted, because it's all like the writings on the wall.

808
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know, because then you also have

809
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: to we have to go into that becomes a much

810
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 2: bigger conversation of what is a haunting? Is it because

811
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: of tragedies that have happened? Is it because of the land?

812
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 2: Is it because of our own perceptions, meaning we we

813
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: know a tragedy happened there, so we think a haunting

814
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: is happening. Is that all of the above? Is it

815
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: not one of the above? You know? But I have

816
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: to say, in my experience, I don't know of one

817
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: that claims not to be so. But you know, there's

818
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 2: a lot of there's a lot of jails and asylums

819
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 2: in the world, so you know, I could be could

820
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: be wrong about that.

821
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

822
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 3: Another thing about that episode that listeners of this show,

823
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 3: I'm sure they've already seen it, but if you haven't,

824
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 3: one of the biggest reasons you should watch it as

825
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: a fan of this show is that one of our

826
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: absolute favorites, Michelle Bell and Jay shows up with her

827
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 3: leather trench coat and her blindfold and tells it like

828
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: it is. And oh my god, Katrina, We've finally had

829
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: her on this podcast and blew our minds.

830
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's amazing and It's funny because I remember when

831
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: I started working with Jack, I was like, you know, well,

832
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: I have people that I know and trust that I

833
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: work with, and I want to put their names in

834
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: the hat for this. And of course one of the

835
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: people was Michelle. And you know, I think some of

836
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: the people on Portals had come from other paranormal shows.

837
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: Other people had never worked on one before. And I

838
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: remember the first time we brought her out and she

839
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: was doing her reading, like the one guy had tears

840
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 2: in his eyes. He says like, I've never I've never

841
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: seen anything like that before, and other people were like,

842
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: how the is she doing this? She is, I mean,

843
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: she's amazing the detail she gets with things and how

844
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 2: accurate she is. It's incredible. It's incredible to watch her.

845
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 3: I was telling her about one of the craziest stories

846
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 3: I've ever heard on the show was somebody that had

847
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: like somebody got in their dream and it was like

848
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 3: super real and not just a dream and blah blah blah.

849
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, yeah, I can do that. I

850
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: read a book about that.

851
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. She actually did something to me. A long time ago,

852
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 2: we were investigating in North Carolina and we had her

853
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 2: out and I mean this is like, you know, ten

854
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: years ago, and I was actually in someone's bathroom investigating

855
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: and I got into their tub, right because that's what

856
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: you do. And I it was the strangest sensation where

857
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 2: it felt like somebody was pressing down on me, like

858
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: pressing down on my shoulders, in my head and like

859
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: bending me forward. And what I didn't know was that

860
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: Michelle was in our We had a surveillance stand for

861
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: that episode because the house was smaller, and she was

862
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 2: in the van with our tech crew, like two or

863
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: three guys at the time, and she was purposely attaching

864
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: to me to see if she could And uh so

865
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: I guess they knew what was happening. I'm not sure,

866
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: but yeah, so that was that was really weird. God, yeah, crazy.

867
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Katrina Widman. Don't you worry.

868
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 3: There is a whole nother part of this episode coming

869
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 3: at you next week. We'll get into EVPs, we'll talk

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Speaker 3: about some more episodes and some more places that she

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Speaker 3: has been to recently that are very spooky, unhaunted.

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Speaker 1: So make sure you're subscribed.

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Speaker 3: Also, if you want to hear a little extra this week,

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Speaker 3: I'm Patreon, I'm talking to her about her relationship with

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Speaker 3: her psychic abilities. And you can also hear my new

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Speaker 3: podcast with Sam Pancake on there as well. Make sure

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Speaker 3: you rate the show five stars if you like it.

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Speaker 3: If you don't like it, then don't rate it anything.

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Speaker 3: Just don't just stay away from that. You don't have

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Speaker 3: to do that. But if you do like it, rate

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Speaker 3: it five stars. You could leave a ghost story in

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Speaker 3: a five star review, or you could email me at

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Speaker 3: ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com. Join the Facebook

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Speaker 3: group it's called Ghosted by Roz dress Fales. I'm on

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Speaker 3: Instagram at Roz Hernandez. I am on Cameo rozdres Fales.

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Speaker 3: I love you all, both living and dead.

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Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

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Speaker 1: haunt me. Heay bye.

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Speaker 2: Star Brands off their a podcast.

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Speaker 1: A podcast network

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