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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is actor Titus Willober Tightest. Good to

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Speaker 1: have you. Thank you for having me, Bob. I'm a

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Speaker 1: big fan. Okay, good we're Are you located right this

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Speaker 1: very second in the era of the pandemic? I'm in Venice, California,

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Speaker 1: a k a. The Andromeda Straine set. And how are

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Speaker 1: you coping with self quarantining? You know what I have

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Speaker 1: to say, Um, it's it's I'm not losing my mind.

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Speaker 1: Two of my kids are home doing their school work,

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Speaker 1: and it's just sort of become the new norm. I

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Speaker 1: venture out and uh walk around and do things. But

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Speaker 1: you know, a lot of reading, a lot of watching

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Speaker 1: tons of television old new, uh yet to come, and

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Speaker 1: and lots of films. So I'm trying to utilize this

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Speaker 1: to my best ability. And it's it's not so bad. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So you're not really paranoid about getting it now. I've

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Speaker 1: been really hyper vigilant since it first kind of was

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Speaker 1: creeping into the into my news feed. UM and my

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Speaker 1: girlfriend had lived in Hong Kong at one point and

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Speaker 1: had gone through stars and so she um, we sort

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Speaker 1: of immediately disimplemented all the the you know, the cautionary behavior,

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Speaker 1: and it's it seems to serve as well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we venture out to go to the grocery store, and

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Speaker 1: that's really the extent of it. But you know it is,

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Speaker 1: you know, you mask up and glove up and go

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Speaker 1: in and and that's all we can really do. So

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Speaker 1: what do you reading? Oh my god, I've just finished

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Speaker 1: reading a great book about Sam Peck and Paw who

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Speaker 1: was one of my eric directors, called it they moved

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Speaker 1: of him, and uh it's been on my shelf. It

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Speaker 1: was given to me years ago and uh I cracked

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Speaker 1: it and quite fascinating. Um, you know, a bit of

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Speaker 1: an undignified end to a guy who who was a

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Speaker 1: game changer in the field, but fascinating, really quite fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So what did you learn? Well, he he had been

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Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps and he was you know, he

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Speaker 1: was not unlike a lot of the characters that that

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Speaker 1: appeared in his films. I think that his the kinship

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Speaker 1: to the to the Pike character, to William Holding character

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Speaker 1: in The Wild Bunch. He was this sort of avid

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Speaker 1: outdoorsman hunter, um, you know, boozer, womanizer. It's interesting. I

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Speaker 1: told now, go back and look at his films. I

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Speaker 1: see a lot and hear a lot of of him.

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Speaker 1: Um in the characters in his films. Now he did

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Speaker 1: straw Dogs, didn't he he did? He did. That's the

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Speaker 1: only film I've ever seen where I said, wait a second,

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Speaker 1: this might be too violent, you know what. I saw

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Speaker 1: it at a drive in, completely inappropriate from my age

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Speaker 1: year before, and I ended up going to see it

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Speaker 1: get this double bill with Deliverance. So if you really

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Speaker 1: want to completely, you know, destroy your your teenage mind. Um,

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Speaker 1: it was a game changer. But I remember being very

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Speaker 1: very disturbed, of course, drawn to it like a mop

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Speaker 1: to a flame, but then kind of realizing once I

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Speaker 1: over my head, although it stayed with me, I have

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Speaker 1: to say, Um, but yeah, both of those films that

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Speaker 1: I was shaken for quite a while after that. The

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Speaker 1: only film that I've really been scared at, and I

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Speaker 1: you ever see Angel Heart? Oh? Yeah, yeah, that's why

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Speaker 1: I actually really really liked that film. In the book,

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Speaker 1: is is really really fallen Angels a great book. I

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Speaker 1: thought the film was was quite good. I loved Mickey

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Speaker 1: Alan quintessential, kind of Alan Parker visually kind of stunning,

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Speaker 1: all at once. Now I'm I'm right there with you.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoy that film. So what's next on your

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Speaker 1: reading list? Well, you know what, I'm just looking at

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Speaker 1: my bookshelves. There's uh. I have all the tash and

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Speaker 1: How old are the kids that are bumping up with you?

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Speaker 1: Eighteen and fourteen, My daughter's fourteen, my son is eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Now they're used to me throwing um, you know, films

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Speaker 1: did do Polanski's The Tenant, which I that I find

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Speaker 1: But that film really unnerved and are they receptive, very

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Speaker 1: much so, very much so. I think the Innocence, you know,

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Speaker 1: for me, yet another film you know, still holds up,

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Speaker 1: to The Exorcist, which I say in my fourteen year

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Speaker 1: will take you years. Well, that was still in the

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Speaker 1: era of platform releases, and I remember people have seen

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Speaker 1: it over Christmas. I've been out of town and I

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Speaker 1: I was overhyped, you know, also being Jewish, maybe it

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Speaker 1: doesn't really connect. But uh, I wasn't frightened but the

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Speaker 1: fact that Max von Sita was in a genre pick

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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. Well, I know, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it's very funny because I remember there was an interview

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Speaker 1: of falls into the column of being sort of silly folklore.

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Speaker 1: We don't really um, you know that it doesn't we

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Speaker 1: don't absorb that. UM. I just think that for me,

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Speaker 1: and I was raised in an agnostic household slash probably

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Speaker 1: scared to beat Jesus out of me. But I think

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Speaker 1: it was also because I never really considered I remember

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Speaker 1: don't I don't want to, I don't want to pursue

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Speaker 1: didn't sleep solidly for for at least a month after that. Wow,

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Speaker 1: So what are your favorites if we had to boil

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Speaker 1: it down to a few from the late eighty Uh, Well,

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Speaker 1: I love bullet Um and uh love Copolist films, Love

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Speaker 1: the Long Goodbye with Ellie Gould, with Ellie Gould, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: always have considered that sort of Mitcham's King Lear. I

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Speaker 1: mean as his performance in that film. There there there

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Speaker 1: qu Equaid right. The funny thing is the woman he's

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Speaker 1: He taught Russian and he was an odd guy. So

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Speaker 1: reading about that story was a weird. You know, six

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Speaker 1: Degrees of Separation. You know another one wages a Fear,

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Speaker 1: which I just check back into a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I'd forgotten how much I love that film, and I

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Speaker 1: lot of merit great. So I agree. I told freaking

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Speaker 1: when I saw him a couple of years ago, because

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Speaker 1: that movie was really denigrated when it came out, but

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Speaker 1: I felt it had an amazing tension. I saw it

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Speaker 1: but it really hit me. Oh no, it's it's it's great.

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Speaker 1: And that you know that Tangerine Dream score is is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's super solid. I think it's really good.

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Speaker 1: In Scheider is great and all those other actors, um,

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Speaker 1: it's I think it's a very very underrated film and

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Speaker 1: And where the two guys, based on this conversation, you

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Speaker 1: So my parents were both cinephiles. So the weekends were

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Speaker 1: unfortunately take me to see Sorrow and the Pity when

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Speaker 1: literally going to her nightstand and picking up the phone

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Speaker 1: he's that Max Offals, I believe. But what I remember

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Speaker 1: and I And then I ended up going to boarding

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00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: school and stayed in Maine and went to a boarding

426
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: school in Basslborough, Maine, which is right next to Waterville

427
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: School called Oak Grove Coburn School. And it's now it

428
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: went belly up due to some financial issues in the

429
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: early eighties. I believe. Um. It's now the main State

430
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: Police Academy. The state came bought it. It's a beautiful

431
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: old set of buildings, you know, it looks like a

432
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: giant castle on the hill. And I got a fantastic

433
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: education there, top notch teachers and students that i'm you know,

434
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: friends with to this day. So that's one thing that

435
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: people don't realize about prep schools, the level of education

436
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: you get. I remember going to college and there were

437
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: people were prep school students and it was just astounding

438
00:26:55,320 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: what they knew irrelevant of their intelligence. Yeah, well, it's definitely,

439
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a reason they call it prep

440
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: school because it you know, I I felt very much um,

441
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, I felt not necessarily ahead of the curve,

442
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: but I was not UM. I would say that I

443
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: was very aware that what the way I was being educated, UM,

444
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: which worked very well for me, UM, was was kind

445
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: of exceptional or that at least that the teachers that

446
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: I had, for the most part were people that really

447
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: inspired me to want to learn. But however, when you're

448
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: at prep school usually there's a big us versus them.

449
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: That's when you really you know, experience and learn the

450
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: hi jinks, etcetera. In the dorms completely and you really

451
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: separate from your parents have become your own identity. That's

452
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: been my experience with the prep school kids anyway. Well, yeah,

453
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: but the other thing is that then there's a kind

454
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: of in house process of discipline when you when you

455
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: break the rules, and uh, they were very creative with

456
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: those with with certain types of punishments that they would

457
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: they would administer to kids who like myself. But I

458
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: mean I was I was far from an angel. I

459
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: was into mischief all the time. So well, just you

460
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: gotta give me one, give me one of the creative punishments. Well,

461
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: I um, it wasn't just me, but my this, this

462
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: friend and I we we discovered that if we could

463
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: push snow up against the side of the backside of

464
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: the girls dormitory and create footholds that we could climb

465
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: up in through one of the rear windows and gain

466
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: access into the girl's dorm to see our girlfriends. And

467
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: it didn't take them long to figure it out. And uh,

468
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: we had done such a good job taking watering cans

469
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: and covering it so it was a solid block of ice.

470
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: Then we had to go out there and break it

471
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: apart with sledgehammers, and it took a hell of a

472
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: lot longer to take that thing about. Okay, so you

473
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: have this somewhat peripatetic upbringing. What kind of kid are you?

474
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: The kind of as friends, you're the outsider? How do

475
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 1: you fit in? You know what I had a lot

476
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: of friends. I was. I was very social, gregarious kid.

477
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: But I was also a kid who my dad nicknamed me,

478
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: used to call me lone wolf. Because I also was

479
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: very comfortable being by myself. I would frequently go and

480
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: camp um on his property, um on my own, and

481
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: would kind of disappear, even as a kid of twelve

482
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: years old. I would just go and at the middle

483
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: of nowhere, out in the woods and and live out there.

484
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: But I was, I had a lot of friends. I

485
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: had a lot of friends and um and was very

486
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 1: very very social and were a good student, bad student.

487
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: I at first was kind of a mediocre student when

488
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: I first arrived at Oak Grove and then through just

489
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: having very very good teachers. There was the ratio, the

490
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: student teacher ratio was it was kind of perfect. Um

491
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: I had. I had dyslexia, which manifested in my ability

492
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: to do mathematics. Had no problems at all with reading

493
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: or writing or anything, but I really really struggled terribly

494
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: with math. So that was my big bugaboo to overcome.

495
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: So I started out as a as a mediocre student

496
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: and ultimately became actually a good student with the with

497
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: the help of Um, really good teachers and tutors and things,

498
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 1: and and embraced and really enjoyed school. I have to

499
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: ask with a name like Titus growing up to get

500
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: shipped from the kids or they accept you now? And

501
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: and I mean when I was a little kid. I

502
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: mean I still to this day, I'll meet adults and

503
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: you know, they they'll say, oh, tight ass, and god,

504
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that since kindergarten. That's that's great. I

505
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: took a lot of ship from my name. And you know,

506
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: as a kid, I hated my name. Uh, But as

507
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: I got older, I appreciate it certainly when they would,

508
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, call out names and um, I was the

509
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: only the only Titus in my class. But yeah, it's

510
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: a it's a heavy one to hang on a kid.

511
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: But but as an adult, I'm okay with it. Is

512
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: there a backstory with why your name Titus? I was

513
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: named after Rembrandt's son. Both of my parents I loved

514
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: Rembrandt and uh, and they they just really liked the name,

515
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: and so they they gave their name. It's not a

516
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: family name or anything like that, which I would chide

517
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: my father later in life. I would say, I guess

518
00:31:51,400 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: you really really thought a lot of yourself. You graduate

519
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: from high school, what's your next direction? Well, then I

520
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: went to I did a year of of art school

521
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: because I originally my my career path was gonna I

522
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: was gonna be a fine artist like my father. And

523
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: I went to Bennington College and I, um just um

524
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: screwed around. I just never went to class. I was

525
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: majoring in in pot smoking and carousing and beer drinking

526
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: and just kind of up to nonsense. That being said,

527
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: it was one of the one of the most interesting

528
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: years of my early days. Um. But after an uneventful year,

529
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: my father just said to me, you know, what are

530
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: you thinking you're going to do with your life, to

531
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: which you know, when I was eighteen, I said, I'm

532
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: going to join the Marine Corps. But my father just

533
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: spent a shipload of money for me to go to Bennington.

534
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: He was quite quite cross with me, so he sort

535
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: of installed me at our family compound and and uh

536
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: sort of put me. We we called it inward Bound,

537
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: in which my I was sequestered in in a guesthouse,

538
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: an old cape house and my father's property, no visitors,

539
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: no girlfriends, no phone, no anything. And one day a

540
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: truck came along a flatbed that had massive moving boxes

541
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: and they were filled with books. And my father said,

542
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: here's how this is gonna go. And he basically said,

543
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna read these books, and I'll give you the option.

544
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: You can either do an oral presentation or you can

545
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: write a paper. And knowing you, you're probably gonna wanna

546
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: chat about it because you're too goddamn lazy to write

547
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: about it, which is fine, um. And you're gonna you're

548
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: gonna live in that in that house, and you're gonna

549
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna cut to cut firewood, which I was fine with. Um,

550
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: But you know, when you read Crime and Punishment and

551
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: sit down and basically regurgitate all of that over the

552
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: course of almost four hours, and just to have my

553
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: father turned to me and said, yeah, you're gonna have

554
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: to do that one again. There's a lot you missed. Uh.

555
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: That part of it was brutal. But I must say

556
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: by the time that time period had I've read all

557
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: those books and gone through it, I realized many years

558
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: later and I went back to school. I went eventually

559
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: went back to school. I went to n y U

560
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: did my undergrad and graduate work there that I a

561
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: large part of my education had occurred in that period

562
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: of time. And how long it was almost a year? Wow?

563
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: And just before we leave Bennington, did you read the

564
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: Secret History? Yes? Yeah I did. I mean, yeah, if

565
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: those walls could talk, I mean, there's a lot to

566
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: be said. And I think it's a it's a very

567
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: very different school and it was when I was there. Um,

568
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: there were really no checks and balances. So unless you

569
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: were a seriously self disciplined kid, um, it was it

570
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: was not a good fit. And I was not. I

571
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: was not self disciplined, not certainly, not in that way.

572
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: There were too many distractions, and there was you know,

573
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: you you were kind of isolated, but you know the

574
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: fact that the the ratio was, you know, there were

575
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: twelve girls to every guy. I just lost my mind.

576
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: And and so how had you end up? How'd you

577
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: end up at n y u? Um? I then what

578
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: my I said? My father said to me, so, what

579
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? I mean, clearly, you know painting

580
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: is not what you really want to do? And I said, no,

581
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: it's not. And he said, well, what is it gets

582
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: you up in the morning when when when you're not

583
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: thinking about drinking beer and and and girls? What do

584
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: you think about And I said, acting anyone, Well, then

585
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: that's what you should do, because if you're any any

586
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: pursuit in the arts, be it writing, you know, or

587
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: or being a musician or or a painter or an actor,

588
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: in order to have a modicum of success and I'm

589
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: not talking about um financial success, We'll just say intellectual

590
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: sustenance for for oneself. You have to it has to

591
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: be a quasi obsession. Otherwise there's no point in doing

592
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: it because it's it's that's true. Did you learn that

593
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: from experience or did your father tell you? It was both?

594
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: It was I mean that that was sort of you know,

595
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: he forewarned me. And so he said, and you know,

596
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: obviously you can't do that here in Maine. You're gonna

597
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: have to go back home to New York. So I

598
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: packed it up. I got on a Greyhound bus with

599
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: an army Duffel bag full of my belongings and and

600
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: crashed on people's sofas until I had enough jobs to

601
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: be able to get my own apartment and pay my rent.

602
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: And did that for years, and then um I decided

603
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: that I wanted to go back to school, and of

604
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: course I had applied. UM an auditioned and was accepted

605
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: at Juilliard and at the Neighborhood playoffs. But when I

606
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: sort of sat back for a second looking at my options,

607
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: I decided to go to n y U. Because for me,

608
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: despite the fact that I knew I wanted to be

609
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: an actor, I wanted to investigate um other areas of interest,

610
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: and so I that was so rather than doing a

611
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: straight conservatory, I decided to go to n y U.

612
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: And I really got the you know, I got to

613
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: have my cake and eat it too. It was a

614
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: It was a wonderful, wonderful experience. Once again. So you said,

615
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: your father, in this inward value, you wanted to an actor.

616
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: There must be a backstory there. Well, I had been.

617
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: I had acted in high school production, always been interested

618
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: in that, and of course, growing up seeing so many films,

619
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: I was always pulled in in that direction to a

620
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: certain degree. Um and then it it really kind of

621
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: turned a page. My mother was living in Boston, and

622
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: because I didn't live there full time and didn't go

623
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: to school there or anything, I had no friends, there

624
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: were no kids. She was living right in the center

625
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: of Boston, and so I was kind of hanging out

626
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 1: at the house a lot, and you know, reading comic

627
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: books and kind of screwing off going to the cineplex

628
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: that was a couple of blocks away. But there's only

629
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: so many times you could see the same films over

630
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: and over again. And I think that the three films

631
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: were walking tall uh Buford. Yeah, it was the second

632
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: one with both vents and not that not the first

633
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: one was better, Yeah, much better. And then Beyond the Door,

634
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: which was which was a low grade attempt to try

635
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: to remake The Exorcist with Juliette Mills and Um and

636
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: the Return of the Pink Panther U And that was

637
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: the only theater that was close. And my mother just

638
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: came one day and she said, I've signed you up

639
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: at this place called Actor's Workshop. And I went, wait,

640
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: what do you mean, I'm not going to a camp.

641
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: She said, it's not a camp. It's it's an acting program.

642
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: It's a summer acting program. You can walk there, it's

643
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: four blocks away, and you're gonna go give it a shot.

644
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: And that was the beginning of it for me. Um.

645
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: I walked in there and within you know, several hours

646
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: of being in the company of a lot of these

647
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: kids were really there studying seriously who wanted to you know,

648
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: and we're already working here and you know, doing commercials

649
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: and things like that. Um, I got I got bitten

650
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: by the bug and it carried me through. So I always,

651
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: you know, interestingly enough. Cut to many, many many moons later,

652
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: I'm shooting the first UM film that I did with

653
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: Ben Affleck, Gone, Baby, Gone, and back in Boston. And

654
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: we had a whole conversation because he said he started.

655
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: We were just having a you know, passing conversation. When

656
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: did you decide you wanted to be an actor? And

657
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: I told him and he said, I never went there,

658
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: He said, but I knew people that went there. And

659
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: he said that's interesting, and I said, yep, here we are.

660
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: So it's all come full circle. Okay. How long were

661
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: you in New York before you went to n y U?

662
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: About three years? Okay, so when you went to n YU,

663
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: you were older than most of the students. I was

664
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: a transfer student UM. And part of that was that

665
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: I was working all these jobs and I wasn't really

666
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: acting all that much because everything that I was doing

667
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: was to pay my rent. My father said to me,

668
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to be an actor. I

669
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: remember I had gotten a job. Um, I was working construction,

670
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: and UM the foreman said, hey, I'll put you in

671
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: an apprenticeship UM at the tin Knockers Union. You can

672
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: go there, you'll learn the trade, and you'll get health

673
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: benefits and all these things. And I was excited by

674
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: that because I knew I was going to get a

675
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: substantial pay raise. And I called my father and told him,

676
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: and that's when he said, but I thought you were

677
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: going to be an actor. But I suppose if you

678
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: want to be a tin knocker, go be a tin

679
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: knocker that you know you can make a good he said,

680
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: But but stop telling people that you're an actor. And

681
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: that kind of shook me up a little bit. I

682
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of thought, no, no, no no, he's actually right, and

683
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: I thought, I really need to get my ass back

684
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: to school. I want to complete my education. You know,

685
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: this isn't what I want to do. So I was

686
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: very poor. I mean I still even when I was

687
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: going to school full time, I had to work multiple

688
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: jobs to pay my rent things. But I was I

689
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: was a full time student as well, and it was

690
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: n YU was an amazing experience, but you were, uh,

691
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: focusing on acting at n y U. That was your

692
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: number one, your major, so to speaking, that was my

693
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: that was my major. So where were you in the

694
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: hierarchy of students? Were you one of the people they said, Oh,

695
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: we give him the roles, he's gonna make it. Just

696
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: one of the troop. I was one of the troop.

697
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: I mean there was there were definitely some some favorites there.

698
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: But um, the the student productions, the the level of professionalism.

699
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: I had to say, some of the best directors that

700
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: I have worked with were some guys that we were

701
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: doing theater, they were directing. They were in their twenties. Smart,

702
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: smart guys. The playwright Frank bulliais being one of them

703
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: who's gone on to have great success as a screenwriter. Also,

704
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: um uh drawing a blank right now. On the show

705
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: um House of Cards, it was was one of them. Um.

706
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of people my class mates that came

707
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: out of there are people actors of note, Clark, Greg J's, Alexander,

708
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: Felicity Huffman, UM, A lot of really substantial people. And

709
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: we did, you know, little student productions together. Um. But

710
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: you had you had access to people at n y

711
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: U who were who were actually working in in the

712
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: business I mean, you know, we had people like Hulu

713
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: gross Bard and um, you know, Kevin Klein and and

714
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: Fred Zolo and Wendy Wasserstein. We got to interact with

715
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: these people who who were really in it. Ma'am. That

716
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: was one of my teachers. I eventually left Circle in

717
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,760
Speaker 1: the Square and went to study with W. H. Macy

718
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: and David Mammot that had started their own little studio

719
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 1: from a summer program in Vermont into a full blown

720
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: UM studio that was part of the n y U

721
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: system called the Practical Ascetics Workshop, which eventually became the

722
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: Atlantic Theater Company School. And those are all my classmates

723
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: from that time that that formed that you know, very

724
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: successful UM prolific theater company. So why did you go

725
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: to graduate school? What was that about? Well? I got

726
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: offered a gig. I had a professor he passed away

727
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, Mel Gordon, and he taught

728
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: this this class. It was an academic class, but it

729
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: was called character development. And he had come out of

730
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: the check off UM school that's where he had trained

731
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: that but he was now living a life of being

732
00:44:53,160 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: really an academic UM. And so what you ostensibly did

733
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: was you would create a character. You would have a whole,

734
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: an entire semester to create a character from the ground up,

735
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: and he didn't care what the character was. And then

736
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: you had to write your own monologue. UM. So it

737
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: was all ground up stuff. And I really found that

738
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: class to be invaluable. What it did was it really

739
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: sharpened my ability to observe people, because you know, I

740
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: was sort of looking around going what am I? What

741
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: am I going to create a character? You know what,

742
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: who's what's the character going to be? And you know,

743
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: one week it was all it'll be you know, the

744
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 1: bartender at this saloon. You know, mcsorley's sort of based

745
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: on that, or this this the schizophrenic homeless guy that

746
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: I come into contact with. Um And after a year,

747
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: um Mel said to me, look, you know, I've been

748
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: teaching this class here for a million years, and UM,

749
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I just feel like I don't have

750
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: anything else to do with it. But you've got an

751
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: interesting and fresh perspective on it. You could teach this class.

752
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: And I went, well, I don't know anyone. Yeah, you're

753
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: gonna just do it. You're gonna teach. You're just gonna

754
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: teach this class and I'm going to arrange it so

755
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: that so that the credits work towards a graduate degree

756
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: for you, so you get to So it was it

757
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun.

758
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: And he um, I know, I know, I really didn't

759
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: see very much of him. He just kind of he said,

760
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: I have fun. But it was it was very interesting,

761
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: um to take something over. Of course, the immediate thought

762
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: on a lot of my classmates was oh, well, I'm

763
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: going to take his class, because that's gonna be But

764
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: I made everybody audition for the class, and that was

765
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: my way of weeding out people who thought they were

766
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: just going to show up and get a get a

767
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: pass grade. Um. But also because I only wanted serious

768
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: people in there, you know, I wanted I wanted to

769
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: people that really came there, that wanted to do that work,

770
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: to do the work. I didn't want to have the

771
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: babysit people and or listen to bullshit excuses with that

772
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: I had used a thousand times. So I weeded them

773
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: out and it became a substantially smaller class when I

774
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: was teaching it. But they were all really top shelf people.

775
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: So how many years did you did it take for

776
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: you to get that graduate degree, or you were doing

777
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: that program, yeah, for two hours, doing that for two years?

778
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: And then were you taking any other courses or your

779
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: only gig was too No, No, I was doing I

780
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: was taking classes in cultural anthropology, UM to a couple

781
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: of pre law classes. I mean therese are just things

782
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: that I thought. I thought pre law. I felt it

783
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: would be inevitable that I was going to play a

784
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: lawyer at some point in my career. And I had

785
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: a couple of friends that were in the law school

786
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: and when they would do their mock trials, UM, they

787
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: would come to me and they would say, I, you

788
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: know you're an actor. I want you to to teach

789
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: me how to do opening and closing statements. Here here's

790
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: my opening statement, and UM, I want you to kind

791
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: of coach me through this. How am I gonna? And

792
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: so I was. I went to a few of them

793
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: just to observe these guys doing their things, to see

794
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: if they actually had listened to anything that I had

795
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: told them, and was kind of pulled into it, and uh,

796
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: I very quickly realized that that was not what I

797
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: want to do. And my father was very very disappointed.

798
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: And I remember at one point he said, so what

799
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,959
Speaker 1: are you taking that? I said, oh, I've got these

800
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: pre law classes. And he said, well what do you

801
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: why what are you? What are you taking pre law for?

802
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, you never know. He's the tightest.

803
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, when you're an artist, there's no such thing

804
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: as a fallback. And I went, well, yeah, I know,

805
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: and and he was. He was really irritate, and he said,

806
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: why would you? He said, anybody can do that. Anyone

807
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: can become a lawyer. You you just gotta you just

808
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: have to put in the time and put in the work.

809
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: But not everyone can be an artist. I thought you

810
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: wanted to be something substantial and that's not And my

811
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: father had many friends who were lawyers. I don't think

812
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: that he had any lack of respect for them, but

813
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: he for me. He took umbrage to the idea, you know,

814
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: as if you were raised in this fucking environment, and

815
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: how could you not absorb all this stuff and now

816
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna go and do a regular job. Um, well,

817
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: that does beg the question that it is certainly hard

818
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: to make it financially as an actor. So you're done

819
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: with your schooling, what's the next step. Yeah, I've done

820
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: with schooling and I'm out in the world and and

821
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: it's you know, the crickets are chirping. I mean, there's

822
00:49:51,880 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: just it was the endless backstage um submissions, showing up

823
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: at theaters with headshots and resumes and you know, and

824
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: I had, I had a large resume. I had done

825
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: a lot of work. Um there and then at n

826
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 1: y U and and off off and off off off,

827
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: you know, other Planet Broadway stuff. Um. But it was,

828
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: it was, it was really really tough. And so there

829
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: I was, again, you know, sort of working multiple jobs

830
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: to be able to you know, just to pay my rent.

831
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: And you know, it would would come into contact with

832
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: people who would say that they were managers or agents,

833
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: and you know, at the time it was some sort

834
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: of come on or or bullshit story. And um. And

835
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: I was working at a at a saloon called The Edge,

836
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: and that guy who frequented the place had I had

837
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: just done a production of American Buffalo and he had

838
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: seen it. And uh, He's sitting at the bar one

839
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: night he said, I just realized I saw you an

840
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: American Buffalo. He said, oh, yes, yes, I didn't play.

841
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: So what are you doing behind the stick? And I said, well,

842
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to make a living. He said, well,

843
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: are your agents not doing a good job? And I said,

844
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't have an agent. He said, I'm an agent.

845
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: I thought. I said, oh boy, okay, here we go.

846
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: But he seemed like a straight shooter to me. Um

847
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: gave me his card and I didn't. I think it

848
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: went to my pocket and I kind of forgot about it.

849
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: And then about ten days later he came in and

850
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: he said, hey, man, I haven't I haven't heard from you,

851
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: and I didn't have a number on and I didn't

852
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: know how to how to contact you. Are are you

853
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: do you want to take a meeting or not? He

854
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: said it's not you know, I'm not I'm not gonna

855
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: chase you. I said sure and and sure enough he

856
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: had a legit agency represented some super solid actors, not

857
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: a big agency, and it had a large modeling age

858
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 1: and see very successful modeling agency. And he started sending

859
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: me out and after a couple of weeks of working

860
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: with him, I landed my first role, which was kind

861
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: of a walk on in a movie called Navy Seals,

862
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: where I played this this um, you know, redneck who

863
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: starts a fight with Charlie sheen, and Charlie beats me

864
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: up and uh, and then things just kind of kept going.

865
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: But you know, so for me, it's always been um,

866
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: more of a slow burn, you know. Um, I've it's

867
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: been the journeyman path. For me. It's always been you know,

868
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: work to work, to work to work, um, and which

869
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: is good because I think, honestly, if I had, if

870
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: I had had success when I was younger in my twenties,

871
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 1: like a lot of my friends did, I would have,

872
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: you know, I had ended up like one of those

873
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: monks and Saigon, you know, with a Jerry can of gasoline.

874
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a weird analogy, but there was definitely

875
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: a part of me that was kind of wild, maybe

876
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: a bit self destructive. And I don't think that having

877
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: access to money and and uh then other things would

878
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: have been would have been necessarily good for me. My

879
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: journey in that way was very, very humble, and I

880
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: think it kept me very grounded and kept me very focused.

881
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: I I would see people around me that were, you know,

882
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: always talking about getting new headshots and trying to go

883
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: to this party or to this nightclub because X hung

884
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: out there, and I thought, what's that you know, this

885
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: isn't schwabs. I mean, it's You're not going to walk

886
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: into a nightclub in New York and unless you're a

887
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: beautiful woman and someone's gonna walk up to you and say,

888
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you. You know, I'm gonna give you

889
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: every opportunity you could ever dream of to achieve a

890
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: monicum of successes as an actor. So in that way,

891
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: it was it was uphill and it is truly navigating

892
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: the sea of heartbreak. But as things started to become

893
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: more and more consistent, um as far as getting work,

894
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: and it's also it's a process of learning, you know.

895
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: I I learned what worked um in in the business

896
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: as far as um the auditioning process and things stuff

897
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: that they don't teach you. They don't teach you how

898
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: to act in front of a camera. Um. You know,

899
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: my background was purely in the theater, and so jumping

900
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 1: to film and television it was a massive learning curve.

901
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: I've learned a lot from watching some of my favorite

902
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: actors on screen. But then it becomes a technical thing.

903
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know the difference between an eighty millimeter and

904
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty millimeter lens and what my field of

905
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: play was and how I was going to do that,

906
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: and finding my light and all those all those things

907
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: that you really learn are on the job training. Okay,

908
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: so the agent you meet in the bar, he sends

909
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: you out on gigs. You're auditioning. Usually many people are auditioning.

910
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: What was it about you? What was the way you

911
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: audition that would seal the deal for you? I was prepared, um. I.

912
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: I had a a big belief in not to half acid.

913
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I learned is that

914
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't really act with a paper in my hand.

915
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: So um, I would spend a lot of time memorizing

916
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: the material for an audition, and it always sort of

917
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: vexed me because I would go to No, that's not

918
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: to say I've never gone into an audition holding a

919
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: holding the script in my hand. You know, certainly during

920
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: pilot season, um, when you've got seven eight meetings in

921
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: one day, you you have to kind of cherry pick.

922
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: And that's what I would do. I would go, Okay,

923
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: this is the one that I think I can I have,

924
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: I have a good chance of getting this. It's in

925
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: my wheelhouse, so I'm going to put all of my

926
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: energy into memorizing this material and then the rest, you know,

927
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: would I would do the best that I could possibly do.

928
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: But for me, I think, um, it was the investment

929
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: of time and focused that um that kind of won

930
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: the day for me. And I was also very UM,

931
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: I didn't really fall necessarily into any category. You know,

932
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't Brad Pitt cute, and I wasn't you know,

933
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: John Casali character actor. I was sort of what they

934
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: would call an off leading man. And so you know,

935
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: the beauty of that was I did get to play

936
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: and have been been privileged to play lots of different

937
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: types of characters. The other hard part is that you play,

938
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you do a heavy which I did

939
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: quite a few heavies, UM, they the temptation or the

940
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, the term pigeonholed, it tends to kind of

941
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: carry over to a certain point. So there at one

942
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: point I did I was getting offered a lot of

943
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: sort of the same type of roles, and despite the

944
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: fact that you know, for the sake of commerce and

945
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: and looking after myself, UM that I had to turn

946
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: stuff down, which I really was not in a financial

947
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: position to do. But I thought, if I don't set

948
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: the President. Now by not doing this, I'm gonna forever,

949
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get locked into doing this, and I don't

950
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: want to do it. And just as I made that decision,

951
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: I got a call to go and read for a

952
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: role on NYPD Blue, to read for Mark Tinker and

953
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: Steven Bocho and David Milch. And I thought, of course

954
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: when I got the call, oh, it's a it's a cop,

955
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: it'll be a cople And he said, no, actually this

956
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: guy is. He's a Trump the surgeon in in the

957
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: er and Nick Deturro's character gets shot and shootout, and

958
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: you're the guy that that patches him up. And they're

959
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 1: not going to cast me as the doctor. They never

960
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: will see me as as a hard guy of Hollywood

961
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: thinks that I'm Italian and I'm actually English and Irish,

962
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't want to waste anybody's time.

963
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: I'd rather wait until a coprole comes along, because that'll

964
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: be something i'll get. And they said, well, they know

965
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: who you are and they want to see you for this.

966
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: And went in and I kind of pulled myself together

967
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: and I read and and and they cast me on

968
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: the spot, and that character ended up kind of recurring

969
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: over the years on NYPD Blue. But he was a doctor.

970
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: He was a very kind of um. He was unlike

971
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: any character that I had played before, certainly on on screen,

972
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: is sort of soft spoken, you know. He was the

973
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: he was the doctor that if one had a doctor,

974
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: he had, you know, impeccable bedside manner. He's a guy

975
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: you would want to treat you, who wouldn't treat you

976
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: like an idiot um um, but also wasn't perfunctory and

977
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: in the handing off of bad medical news and that

978
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: kind of uh. That opened up my relationship with David

979
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: Milt and Stephen Bosco. I then went on to do

980
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: Brooklyn South with them and then Big Apple. After that

981
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: with with David Milton went on to do Deadwood with

982
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 1: David milchon so that collaboration lasted over several shows, and

983
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: I did some other work with Steven Bochco. But that

984
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:48,479
Speaker 1: was for me a major turning point and how I

985
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: was I was perceived. I mean, I think casting directors

986
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: and other people in the business sort of said, oh,

987
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: he can, he can do this other thing and I

988
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: and I owe that to Botch going to Tinker and

989
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: into Milch to sort of say we're going to give

990
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: you this shot to do this thing. It was a

991
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: game changer for me. And at what point after you

992
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: get the gig and Navy Seals do you stop having

993
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: to have a day job. Oh I I'm trying to

994
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: think I stopped having a day job. So let's for arguments,

995
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: I did Navy Seals. I. Yeah, I didn't go back

996
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: to like, I don't No, I don't don't think I

997
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: ever did go back to a day job after that. Okay,

998
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: And you talked about the heartbreak, and you tell us

999
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more about the heartbreak of being an

1000
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: actor and auditioning, etcetera. Yeah, Well, it's it is that

1001
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: it's so personal and you have to learn or to

1002
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: not be personal because there's so much there is so

1003
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: much rejection, and particularly when you put in a considerable

1004
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: amount of time into an audition and you go in

1005
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: and you do really well, um, and it's evident that

1006
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 1: you've done well, and you're being um sort of not

1007
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: necessarily pat on the back, but you know, and you've

1008
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: made your casting director friend very happy that they've brought

1009
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: you in. Um. Only two then find out that they've

1010
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: cast someone who is not only not physically right for

1011
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: the role, but not a very good actor. Um those things.

1012
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: That's that's a hard Pilba swallow. But I kind of

1013
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: learned pretty quickly to remove my ego from it and

1014
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: to just focus on what it was that I could do,

1015
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: so that if I didn't get something, I would say, oh,

1016
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: there was something that if I had done something differently,

1017
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 1: or and also to listen to the notes that were

1018
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: being given by directors and certain things. Um, yeah, there's

1019
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: always gonna be I mean, I think even at the

1020
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: highest level there there will always be roles and an

1021
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: actor might want that they're not going to get just

1022
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: because you know, the time they want the guy or

1023
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: the gal to walk in the door. Then they go eureka,

1024
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: you're you're precisely you know what I'm looking for with

1025
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: a character. Now, if you can act, that's gonna be

1026
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: even better. But the physicality, the physicality is all there. Um.

1027
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: But that's what it was for me. I learned to

1028
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: not take it personally, and I think it helped me

1029
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: because I would I think, you know, and I've been

1030
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: on the other side of the table when people have

1031
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: come in and auditioned for for things that I've been

1032
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: a part of that um when you when when you

1033
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: carry that that anxiety, it's it's it carries an odor,

1034
01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: you know that that that that it's not necessarily ambition,

1035
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's the anxiousness. I want to you know, I,

1036
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: I want to do well I And you can't charm

1037
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: your way into a into a part. You have to

1038
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: come in and do the work. And once I realized

1039
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: that it wasn't about the small talk and the bullshit

1040
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:22,439
Speaker 1: that occurred, you know before and after the audition, or

1041
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, how your kid was doing in school. It

1042
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 1: was really my only job was to do the best

1043
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: possible job that I auditioned that I could do, and

1044
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: that was it. And then I had to just and

1045
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: either they were going to get it or they didn't

1046
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: get it. And once I got to that place and

1047
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't it was arduous. That was a conversation I

1048
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: had with myself that went on for a minute. It

1049
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: was liberating, and then I was was truly able to

1050
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: just go in, do that, finish it, walk out and

1051
01:03:54,560 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: be okay. Okay. Now, beginning, you were a stage performer,

1052
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: and you're mostly known as someone who's on screen, So

1053
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: have you acted on stage? Or is that something that

1054
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: you want to do or where does that leave you? Yeah?

1055
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean all of all of the beginning work that

1056
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 1: I ever did was on the stage and I have

1057
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: not been on stage in in many, many years, and

1058
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: I miss it and I would really like to find, um,

1059
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: the right play to do. I mean a couple of

1060
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: things have come across my desk. That's also been a

1061
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: timing issue, um, and a commitment thing because of my

1062
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: shooting schedule with Bosh and or other other projects that

1063
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: I've been involved with. Because it's it's a big commitment.

1064
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,479
Speaker 1: I would nothing would make me happier than to find

1065
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: the right play and to go do you know a

1066
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: four or a six month run of a play? I

1067
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: think every actor worked or saw or at least who

1068
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: is who comes from the theater is that's always where

1069
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,439
Speaker 1: you want to get back to you. You know, there's

1070
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: there's nothing like performing in front of a live audience.

1071
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: It's it's you fire on all cylinders as an actor

1072
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: when you're doing that. So how did you get Bosh? Well?

1073
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: I got the script, and um, who's your agent? Is

1074
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: you is the same agent from when you got Bosh? Yeah,

1075
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: I've had the I've been with the same agent for

1076
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: Why Something Ears, and that agent is in works where

1077
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: at Paradigm Chris Shman at Paradigm Agency. Um, and she's

1078
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean, she's not she's like a member of my family.

1079
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean, so she's we've we've we've been through it

1080
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: all together. So I got the script. Wait, did well?

1081
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: How did you get the script? Did you say, I

1082
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: have something perfect for you. Hey, we're emailing you the script.

1083
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a pilot for Amazon. It's

1084
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: called BOSH. I said, okay, great. Um, And interestingly enough,

1085
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: I had just written a pilot from myself. I've gotten

1086
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: to a. UM. My late wife had been ill with

1087
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: cancer and that had been obviously my primary focus was

1088
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: looking after her, but also having to work at the

1089
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: same time to be able to pay for medical bills

1090
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: and to take care of the family. So in the

1091
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: last couple of years of her life. I would show

1092
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: her script. So it's again, look at this pilot, read

1093
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: this thing. She would go, God, it's direct, that's direct.

1094
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: You don't want to do that. Don't you don't want

1095
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: to do that? You don't want to do that. Um.

1096
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: And so she said, why don't you you're a writer,

1097
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: why don't you write something for yourself, something that And

1098
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, sure, that's a good challenge. So I

1099
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: wrote something for myself and was literally getting ready to

1100
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: go to the next phase, which would be to go

1101
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: out with my manager and my agent and take meetings

1102
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: to see if someone wanted to do this as a show.

1103
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: Just to stop for a second, you have a manager

1104
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: in an agent. Can you explain the roles of each

1105
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: from my audience? Yeah, one, Well, my manager sort of

1106
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 1: is the keeper of the castle, and um, the sort

1107
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: of trajectory and and the brand, the you know, the

1108
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: and he navigates different things with the you know, with

1109
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: the agents. Silan, how long have you been with the manager?

1110
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: For fourteen years? Okay, so you're a loyal guy. I'm

1111
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: a loyal guy. Um. So, so you were writing this

1112
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: thing that your late wife inspired you to do. Yeah,

1113
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: so I wrote it and and um I was able.

1114
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm lucky because I have lots of very very strong,

1115
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: successful writer friends that I was able to send it to.

1116
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, I would say I want

1117
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: to hear everything. I don't you know, don't don't don't

1118
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: soft sell it back and so uh. The responses were

1119
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: very very positive. People were saying, you should, you should

1120
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: do this. I I struggled with it because I felt like, um,

1121
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: it's actually about a painter. And I thought, Okay, the

1122
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 1: dialogue is solid, the idea is very very solid, but

1123
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,639
Speaker 1: what's going to sustain an audience interest in this guy's

1124
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: who's having a kind of existential midlife crisis. Anyway, cut too,

1125
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing sort of some final tweaks before we're going

1126
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: to head out with it, and I get bosh and

1127
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: I read it, and I mean I read it very fast.

1128
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 1: It was the pilot script was a page turner, and

1129
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,600
Speaker 1: I went to myself, oh wait, I read one of

1130
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: these Harry Bosch novels years ago. Oh marvelous. But everything

1131
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: was on the page, so it wasn't you know, even

1132
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: if I hadn't read one of the books many many

1133
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 1: years prior to that. It you know, it was Eric

1134
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 1: Overmeyer and Connolly had had written this together, and it

1135
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: was really strong. The character was clear, and I thought, ship,

1136
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: you see, now I'm in trouble because this is I

1137
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: couldn't write a better, you know, role for myself. I

1138
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: understood the character immediately. Um, I knew how I would

1139
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: want to play this character, but I also felt like

1140
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: it wasn't broke, so there was no need to fix it.

1141
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: I mean that was was on the page, was was

1142
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: really clear. Through a series of mishaps, I was supposed

1143
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,520
Speaker 1: to meet with Overmyer and Connolly and with the producer

1144
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: Peter Young Brug and Henrick Baston while I was hopping

1145
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 1: the train. I was at my farmhouse in Connecticut. I

1146
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: was going to hop on the train and go to

1147
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: New York to meet them, and my cell phone got stolen,

1148
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: and my kids were little, and I didn't you know,

1149
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 1: they were with friends, but I didn't want to not

1150
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 1: be able to communicate with them, so I jumped off

1151
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: the train and went, not, I'll have to reschedule it.

1152
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: And I was shooting one of the Transformers films at

1153
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: the same time, which when I was in Chicago, I

1154
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: was in Michigan, Hong Kong. It was all over the place,

1155
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 1: um And so the meetings kept getting pushed and pushed

1156
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: and pushed, And a couple of months later I got

1157
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: a call again from my manager and he said, look,

1158
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: you got a little window. You're gonna be in l

1159
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: A for a couple of days. So, um, we're you're

1160
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: gonna have the meeting. You're gonna meet Michael Connolly and company.

1161
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: And I went, wait, wait, wait for bosh and yeah,

1162
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: so I thought that boats sailed. That's been months. He said, no,

1163
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: they can't find Harry. It's a big problem. They're actually

1164
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: even considering sort of shutting down for a minute and

1165
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: regrouping because there they can't find Arry. So lo and behold.

1166
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: I went back, looked at the material, got tight with

1167
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: the material, went in, met Michael and Jim McKay, who directed,

1168
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: the director who did the pilot, and Henry Computer yawn,

1169
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: and once again it was sort of it wasn't that thing.

1170
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: I didn't want to want it too much because I realized, hey,

1171
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: it's a great character be it shoots in Los Angeles, um,

1172
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: and it's this brave new world of streaming content from

1173
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: the ground up. This is a really really interesting place

1174
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: to be. And I got a call not long after

1175
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: the meeting from my manager, Um, and uh, he said

1176
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 1: you're the guy. And I was thrilled. And I literally

1177
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: had to pull the car over because I thought I might,

1178
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, crash the car. I was so excited and

1179
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: and it's just been it, and I knew after meeting

1180
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: with them, and certainly I knew on the first day

1181
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: that we were on the set shooting the pilot that

1182
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 1: I was a part of something that was. It's not

1183
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: we didn't reinvent the wheel, we just it was. It

1184
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: was a great character, it was a great environment, and

1185
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: the source material of Michael's books was substantial, really interesting,

1186
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: and we hadn't seen anything like that, um, certainly not

1187
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: within this format. Right, rather than being the typical sort

1188
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: of standard fare of police procedural television show, we were

1189
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: going to take ten episodes to work one case. Rather

1190
01:12:56,160 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: than Bosh coming in, catching the call and getting of it.

1191
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 1: Then the middle of the show is him working the case,

1192
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: and then he's got the bad guy Embracelet's book him Dano.

1193
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,840
Speaker 1: By the end of the show, things were going to

1194
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: carry through, and so it was much more an established framework. Two,

1195
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: the experience of of actually reading one of Michael's books

1196
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: and and also having Mike there, the cast, quality of

1197
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: the writing and and the cinematography, I mean everything. I

1198
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: remember watching the first pass at at the pilot and

1199
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 1: I went ship, you know, if this doesn't go, um,

1200
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: it's gonna take me It's gonna take me a long

1201
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: time to get over this, because this is something that

1202
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: I think, um has more weight than anything I've ever done,

1203
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, And and that was that's a tall that's

1204
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: a tall order considering that, you know, obviously having done

1205
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: shows like The Good Wife and Sons of Anarchy and

1206
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: and the work that I've done with David Milch, Um,

1207
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: this this one was was kind of perfect. And you know,

1208
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: fortunately Amazon I saw, found their way too to make

1209
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: the show. And I think the show honestly has has

1210
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: consistently gotten better each season that we've we've we've gone on.

1211
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: I certainly agree, not that it wasn't good to begin with.

1212
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: Did Amazon hesitate or were they immediately in? I think

1213
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: that they were immediately and you know not just because

1214
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: of the the massive fan base for lack of a

1215
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: better term, that Michael's books have. I mean, Jesus, the

1216
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, the people that read his books are deeply dedicated,

1217
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: um and and those books are you know, incredibly successful globally,

1218
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: and we're you know, having Michael there. I think if

1219
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: you took this material, if you built this from the

1220
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: ground up, um, it would it would be different. But

1221
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: it resonates the way Mike spins spins the case and

1222
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: the tail is what makes it exceptional. But once again,

1223
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 1: you know what we've seen. We've seen many cops shows,

1224
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 1: and I've done many of the Cops shows. It's it's

1225
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: not new, but it's um. I think it's it's a

1226
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: revisitation to films of this genre of the sixties and

1227
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: the seventies or something that feels older, and that's comforting.

1228
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: But it's kind of older. It's something familiar to us,

1229
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel um. We're not constantly pushing the

1230
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: what my grandmother would have called the blood and thunder envelope.

1231
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really about a guy who's relentless and

1232
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: he's very good at his job. Um, and he's a

1233
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: grinder and he's but he's flawed. He's human. I think

1234
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: that's what I think pulls the audience. They kind of

1235
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,879
Speaker 1: that that humanity of him. He's you know, he's fallible,

1236
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: he's vulnerable, he's he can be a cranky prick. Um.

1237
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't subscribe to this sort of societal norms that

1238
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: most people do of coming into a room and saying, Hi,

1239
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: how are you nice to meet you? Though you know

1240
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: he Harry comes in, he's got something to do, and

1241
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: he doesn't wanna He's not a small talk guy, you know,

1242
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: and you kind of have to. You have to support

1243
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: and dig a character that has that kind of UM

1244
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 1: has a sense of direction and commitment. There's nothing wishy

1245
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: watching about him at all. He's you know, he's got

1246
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: he is that forward speed. Well, it's just funny talking

1247
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 1: to you now. It really poses to character because you're

1248
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: in by minute personality outside the role. He's not the same, No, No,

1249
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: we're very very do We share some similarities, certainly, and

1250
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: I've tried to but once again, you know, there was

1251
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: only so much I could necessarily bring to this character

1252
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: because Mike had created such a strong, strong character, and

1253
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: there were things that we had to change. Obviously, we

1254
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 1: didn't follow the books chronologically, and we weren't going to

1255
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: do a period piece and set it back so that

1256
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: we could would be Harry's military service in Vietnam, so

1257
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: we updated it. But I always felt that it was

1258
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: very important for that Harry's military service be central to

1259
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: a certain degree as to who who he was. You know,

1260
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of the cops have said to me, who

1261
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: enjoy watching the show, Um, you know, it's interesting when

1262
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: I watch you move and the tactics that you employ

1263
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: in your weapons handling, it's hut, that's not cops stuff.

1264
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: That's that's that's military. And I said, no, I wanted that.

1265
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: That was something that was important to me. Is that

1266
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: that muscle memory, that he not moved like a cop,

1267
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: that he moved like an operator, like a former SF operator.

1268
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 1: So all those little things, and and Mike was um

1269
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 1: and and Eric were very open to those, to those ideas. UM.

1270
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: So that was your idea to make it a military style, well,

1271
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: to make yeah, to give him that physicality. And how

1272
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: did you achieve that? I mean you to hire a

1273
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:38,759
Speaker 1: trainer or someone with insight. Well, I've trained many times

1274
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 1: over the years, not only with law enforcement, but with

1275
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: military guys. UM, just for my own for my own

1276
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: pleasure and my own education and also for roles. And

1277
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: prior to doing BOSH, I was with a group of

1278
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: UM former Navy Seals. When I did that, I can

1279
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: did with when I did Transformers, they they did a

1280
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,759
Speaker 1: training program as well as if you see that film,

1281
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: all the guys that are with my character, those are

1282
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: all real seal guys. There's there there are none of

1283
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: them are well, they're some of them are actors. Seal

1284
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: former seals slashed and they become actors and stuntmen and

1285
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: technical advisors. UM. So I had just gone through a

1286
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: hole a series of weapons handling with them, and I thought,

1287
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: this is a great way to kind of move that.

1288
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 1: Even though Harry wasn't um, he wasn't a Navy seal.

1289
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 1: So when I went back to was to look at

1290
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: the weapons handling techniques of a special forces guy, army

1291
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: guy that would be match with Harry's age. So the

1292
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: way that the way that Harry holds his weapon is

1293
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: is very kind of old school. Um. And that stuff

1294
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:08,440
Speaker 1: gets picked up on by by military and law enforcement guys. Um.

1295
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: But it's sort of my way of you know, I

1296
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: and I get that. I mean, if I watch a

1297
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: film and there's weapons handling and it's badly done, it

1298
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: will it will literally take me out of the movie, um,

1299
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 1: because I just say to myself, wait a minute, it

1300
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: had time. It's not brain surgery, it's it's muscle memory.

1301
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 1: Do the goddamn work. Um. So there's little little things

1302
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: like that about Harry that Okay, So we live in

1303
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: the air of peak TV four d scripted series whatever

1304
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: per year. Bosh comes out, it's on Amazon. At the time,

1305
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: people are not quite as accepting of streaming media as

1306
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: they are today. First season comes out, What does it

1307
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: feel like on your ind I mean, if you look

1308
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: at Breaking Bad, Breaking Bad was on TV. Wasn't on

1309
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: until it was on Netflix a couple of years later

1310
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: that people even caught on. Yeah, well, I it was

1311
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: interesting to see um, and I kind of gauged it

1312
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: basedly Amazon at that time they didn't really well and

1313
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of networks don't either share

1314
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,879
Speaker 1: a lot of that data. So you know, the process

1315
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: of trying to figure the numbers was was a process

1316
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: of kind of extrapolation. UM. So we had a sense

1317
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: that the show had done well. UM. Just in now,

1318
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: I've never read been one to read reviews um of

1319
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: my work. And it sort of goes back to something

1320
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: that my father said to me when I was a kid,

1321
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 1: when I called him up to congratulate him on this

1322
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: love letter that John Ashbury had written to him in

1323
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,680
Speaker 1: Time magazine and I and I said, oh, you know,

1324
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: that's so great that you you got from Ashbury. He said,

1325
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: I've not read it, And well, you've got to run

1326
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: out and get it that it's really it's quite it's amazing,

1327
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. Said no, no, no, have you ever have

1328
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: I ever read a review of my work to you

1329
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: will know? Have you ever seen me or even discussed

1330
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: a review of my work with anyone? He said, right?

1331
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 1: And I said, why is that? And he said, you

1332
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 1: either get a swollen head or a broken heart, and

1333
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: neither neither stayed as desirable. And that resonated with me,

1334
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 1: and so I carried it through. UM. And so there

1335
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 1: were all these online reviews on the Amazon website that

1336
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 1: they were encouraging us to read. Oh, you know, five

1337
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 1: stars people are rating this thing. So it was the

1338
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: Brave New World UM. And as I said, I think

1339
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: if this was a purely original show that someone had

1340
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,560
Speaker 1: just written the pilot, UM, it could have been. It

1341
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: could have been a tougher road. But I think because

1342
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: of the success of Michael's books, that people were invested

1343
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: in wanting this to succeed because they were finally going

1344
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: to get to see the kind of physical embodiment of

1345
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: this character that they dedicated, you know, hours and hours

1346
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: of their time reading the books. And suddenly Harry was here.

1347
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: So there's been six seasons already. How has it changed

1348
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 1: your life playing the role of Harry Bosh. Well, certainly, Um,

1349
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: you know, my my anonymity is um pretty much shot now.

1350
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: I I don't. I don't. My life is not like

1351
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis or Brad Pitt. You know, I can walk

1352
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: into a store and not and not have to be

1353
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:47,559
Speaker 1: swarmed by by crazed fans. But um no, I you know,

1354
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: the people people come up to me quite often and

1355
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: and talk about about the show. I'm recognized a lot

1356
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 1: for for the character. And the sweet thing is that,

1357
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: um people people like they really like Harry. So it's

1358
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: there's a tremendous amount of goodwill that comes when someone

1359
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 1: will approach me. Um. And it's different than you know,

1360
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: the Lost. These we would call them when I was

1361
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: doing Lost, and it would come at me with these

1362
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: technical questions about the story and and the mythology, and

1363
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: and I would say, look, you know, sometimes for me,

1364
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: ignorance is bliss. I just kind of showed up and

1365
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: did did my job. I didn't didn't know a lot

1366
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: and I certainly didn't. Um. I had nothing to do

1367
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: with the writing and the way that that story was

1368
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: tied up and that series was tied up. Did you

1369
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 1: enjoy it? Um? Whereas Box it's kind of all over

1370
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: the place. I've got military people, law enforcement people, UM,

1371
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: people who are in in the literary world, and they

1372
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: all the consistent thing is they all they like Harry.

1373
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: They say, you know, you've got a root for him,

1374
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: and he kind of because he says and does the

1375
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 1: things that a lot of people would like to do,

1376
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 1: but they don't want to lose their jobs. Um. And

1377
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: so he kind of because he has a bit of

1378
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: that everyman thing, and I think that's what makes him accessible,

1379
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: you know. And he's not it's not that kind of

1380
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: toxic masculinity that we that we see. You know, he's

1381
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: not a misogynist, he's not a he's not an asshole.

1382
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: He could be an asshole sometimes he can. He can

1383
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: be really abrupt, But then that's the thing that kind

1384
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: of makes him interesting because you kind of go, well, yeah,

1385
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: and when he's contrite, he's contrite certainly is he you know,

1386
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: his relationship to his daughter, um, and he and he's

1387
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: capable of apologizing when he's wrong. So that that's what

1388
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 1: I think makes him accessible to people and endearing to

1389
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,640
Speaker 1: people and certainly if one was a victim of a

1390
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: violent crime, you would want someone like Harry who is

1391
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: not going to necessarily break the law, um, but would

1392
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: definitely circuitously move around you know, the bureaucratic uh, you know,

1393
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 1: blocks to to to you know, obtain justice for for

1394
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: the victims. Because this Harry says, you know, the closure

1395
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 1: is a myth. All that I can agree in real

1396
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 1: life it's a myth I do too. So a couple

1397
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,520
Speaker 1: of elements about the show. Are you a jazz fan personally?

1398
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: I am very much So. I don't have the encyclopedic

1399
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: knowledge um or the record collection that Harry has, but

1400
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: I've I've grown up listening to all different kinds of music,

1401
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: but I've always loved jazz. Um because both of my

1402
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 1: parents loved. My dad, I knew quite a few Um,

1403
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: he knew a lot of those guys. He knew Coltrane,

1404
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: and he knew Miles, Miles, Davison, Monk and Um was

1405
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:16,480
Speaker 1: was friendly with them. So the that his his turntable

1406
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 1: had had a lot of jazz piled up on it, um,

1407
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 1: And that's such a central part of who Harry is,

1408
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, his his love for that, And I always

1409
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: kind of you know that it was mentioned in one

1410
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: of the books, And I said to Connelly, I think

1411
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: it was a year ago. There's that there's that marvelous

1412
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: bit and I can't remember the name of the book

1413
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: right now where we find out where Harry first heard jazz,

1414
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: And I said, and it would be a flashback. It's

1415
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: when he's a teenager. He takes a young black woman too.

1416
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: He's going to take her to the school prom, and

1417
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: through a series of mishaps, he's he gets kind of

1418
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: beaten up, and then the girl misconstrues his desire to

1419
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 1: take her to the prom as um being some sort

1420
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: of a weird um token movements, and so she rejects Harry.

1421
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: So the girl's father ends up driving Harry back to

1422
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:22,799
Speaker 1: the house that he's staying with his foster family, and

1423
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 1: when they're in the car, Harry here's his first taste

1424
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: of jazz, and and it it's a lifelong love affair.

1425
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: Another thing people mentioned constantly about the show is the house. Yeah,

1426
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: now did you did they find the house? Do you

1427
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,759
Speaker 1: have any specific feelings about the house? Yeah. Peter Young Bruga,

1428
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: who's one of our producers, Um worked with Michael Mann

1429
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: Um over the years had done several films with Michael Mann,

1430
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: and in the film Heat, that house is Amy Brennaman's

1431
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 1: house and Heat, and there's a scene with Bob de

1432
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: Niro and Amy Brennaman that where they shot it right

1433
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: there in in that in that great room. But what

1434
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: Peteron told us interesting enough later a little trivia was

1435
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: that Michael Man set up green plates so rather than

1436
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: just shooting it in real time, which is what we do,

1437
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: whatever is in the background going on. Helicopters are planes,

1438
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: we don't sweat it. It happens. It happens. He shot

1439
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: plates so that he could actually control visually what was

1440
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: behind them. And despite the fact that some of that

1441
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: technology was somewhat new, Um it may have been cleaned up.

1442
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,800
Speaker 1: I haven't seen the latest blue ray cut of Heat,

1443
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: but I can remember seeing and thinking that's CG or

1444
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,599
Speaker 1: there's some sort of an effect there because you could

1445
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 1: see a little weird kind of halo around their heads. Um.

1446
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: That house is amazing. It's it's the best views of

1447
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: in l A. It's a colossal pain in the ask

1448
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:05,680
Speaker 1: to shoot up there because those streets are all you know,

1449
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 1: they're they're like their horse paths. You know, they're so

1450
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: in order to um, we can't bring our big trucks

1451
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 1: up there. So they've got a truck and the equipment

1452
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: offloaded and you know, we've got a large crew, but

1453
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 1: you can't. It's close. It's a it's not a big house.

1454
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there's that one kind of big great room

1455
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: that Harry looks out onto the city and you have

1456
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: his patio which is there. But it's a tiny, tiny house.

1457
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: The rooms are really quite small. But it's you know,

1458
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: it's Harry's nest. I mean, he's the eagle looking above

1459
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: his his city and Peter Yon just it's snapped two.

1460
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,799
Speaker 1: It's a different location than it is in the books

1461
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:53,640
Speaker 1: because it faces out on the other side where it's

1462
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:57,799
Speaker 1: Harry's house in the books looks over over a studio

1463
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: city and in the one on one, well, speaking of

1464
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 1: studio city in the one on one, that's sort of

1465
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: amazing that the city itself is a character in the story.

1466
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: And for those of us who live here, it's nailed

1467
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: so right. I mean, like watching the sixth season, it

1468
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: seemed like you shot in the summer into the full

1469
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 1: just based on the light. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, we start

1470
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: at the end of July and we finish up usually

1471
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,680
Speaker 1: the last week of November, so we're really in the

1472
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: thick of it. August is probably the hardest. The end

1473
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 1: of August is the hardest month, just because the heat.

1474
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:34,680
Speaker 1: And in this past season, we shot a lot in

1475
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: the Valley. You know, the three oh eight's, the you know,

1476
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: the kind of crazy alt right group. All right, they're

1477
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: actually they're they're for real. First, didn't we get that

1478
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 1: story with a football player just this week to follow that? Yeah, yeah,

1479
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 1: and he had it was three oh eight that was

1480
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: tattooed on his arm, right, I think so. But but

1481
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: that whole you know, those guys actually showed up on

1482
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: our set, the real guys, and got into a whole

1483
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 1: confrontation with our cops, because that's what they do. They

1484
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: get in the cops spaces they had. They showed up

1485
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: with video cameras. They were, you know, insulting the police,

1486
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 1: calling them gestapo's, and um. It was interesting because it

1487
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: wasn't It didn't feel to me that they were trying

1488
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 1: to make trouble for us the production, but it was

1489
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 1: more an opportunity for them to confront the cops, and

1490
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: the cops were I have to say. They exercised tremendous patients.

1491
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: I had to walk away. I mean they didn't. One

1492
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: of the guys asked me for an autograph, which I

1493
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: thought was really funny, and if I would take a

1494
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: picture with him. Um, And I said, you know, normally

1495
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: I would, but you're you know, you're really screwing us up.

1496
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 1: You know you've already cost us an hour of time.

1497
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: And you know I come to do my job. I

1498
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: want to get home and have dinner with my kids.

1499
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to stand around and waste time while

1500
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 1: you have some piss out with the police. I respect

1501
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: your you know, your belief system and your right too

1502
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 1: to act as such. But you know you're showing up

1503
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 1: at my job and don't inflict yourself. Um. So he

1504
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 1: didn't let was his response. He said, well, it's a

1505
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a bigger thing than just

1506
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 1: your television show. And I said for you, I said

1507
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 1: for you, and I'm showing you that respect. I'm not

1508
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: telling you you're full of ship or you're wrong. Um.

1509
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 1: You have every right to live the way you want

1510
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 1: to live, as long as you're not hurting people. I

1511
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with it, I said, but you're

1512
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: you're hurting me and all these people that you know,

1513
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:54,679
Speaker 1: this is our job so frequently, uh, contracts or TV

1514
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 1: shows or five or seven seasons. Is that why you're

1515
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: ending it after the than the season? What's going on there? No,

1516
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 1: that's that played out a bit on social media where

1517
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 1: people the immediate lea was that it must be some

1518
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 1: sort of a contractual negotiation and that there is. There's

1519
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,600
Speaker 1: not one bit of truth to that whatsoever. This is

1520
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: a decision that's above my pay grade. Um, that was

1521
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:26,679
Speaker 1: made by Amazon to have season seven B the last season.

1522
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 1: And uh, and while I'm while I'm you know, disappointed,

1523
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:36,719
Speaker 1: there's nothing I can do about that. So I myself

1524
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 1: and the producers and the writers, we've we've all sort

1525
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 1: of agreed that, you know, our job is just to

1526
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: make the season seven, um, you know, our best season

1527
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: and see it as the glass half full rather than half.

1528
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 1: So nobody on the creative team decided to blow the

1529
01:34:56,120 --> 01:35:01,519
Speaker 1: whistle now. And if for some reason Amazon change their

1530
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 1: mind or assuming the legalities where in order you could

1531
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:08,600
Speaker 1: shift to a different platform, could that happen or is

1532
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: this definitely the end? I don't I don't know the

1533
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:14,800
Speaker 1: answer to that question. Honestly, I I don't know how

1534
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 1: you can. Sometimes there is an ability to take a

1535
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 1: show from one network or or producing entity and move

1536
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 1: it elsewhere. I don't know that that's possible to do

1537
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:31,600
Speaker 1: with vosh Um. There there's certainly no lack of willingness

1538
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 1: for the show to continue. I mean, Amazon, stranger things

1539
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: have happened. They might they could peasibly change their mind

1540
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 1: that they could. Season seven could be the last seven,

1541
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 1: and then a couple of years could pass and they

1542
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: may say, hey, you know what we're gonna we want

1543
01:35:46,200 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 1: to bring this guy back. And and I you know,

1544
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: I speak for myself and the rest of the cast

1545
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 1: and certainly the producers and the writers that everyone would

1546
01:35:56,200 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 1: would would be on board to do that absolutely. Okay.

1547
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: One of the things someone watches notices when watching Bosh

1548
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,559
Speaker 1: is the tattoos. So some people might think it was

1549
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 1: the character, but in reality those that is your body

1550
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: with the tattoos. That's true. And yeah, no, that was

1551
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 1: a discussion when we first came together because Harry has

1552
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: these scars on his knuckles or when he was a

1553
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,600
Speaker 1: kid living down on the docks of San Pedro, as

1554
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: a runaway he had to hold fast tattooed onto his

1555
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: to his knuckles. And then when Harry and listened in

1556
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 1: the army, one of the first things that happened was

1557
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 1: his drill instructor basically came out and said he no,

1558
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: no, no no, that's a sailor tattoo and that's not going

1559
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 1: to cut it. Takes him behind the barracks and makes

1560
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: him punch a brick wall until his hands look like hamburger,

1561
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: and then when it heals, he makes Bosh go back

1562
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: and do it all over again. So we every day

1563
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: when I go to work, they pay on these little scars.

1564
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 1: And I actually we addressed it in the second or

1565
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:10,440
Speaker 1: third season. Um Harry tells the story. Tells that story

1566
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:15,839
Speaker 1: now knowing that when I first before we started shooting

1567
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 1: the pilot, I had a tattoo discussion with Eric Obermeyer

1568
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:24,240
Speaker 1: and with Connelly. I said, look, I have tattoos and

1569
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 1: I continue to get tattoos, So we can do this

1570
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: one of two ways. And I said, I'm aware that

1571
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 1: he's removed this tattoos, these tattoos from his from his

1572
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 1: hands when he was a kid. Um, so it works

1573
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,760
Speaker 1: either way. Either we just have my tattoos. We never

1574
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: come in close on them. Um. Or I if I

1575
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: ever have to wear a short sleeve shirt, it's a

1576
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 1: couple of hours in the chair because they're going to

1577
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 1: have to come in. They're gonna have to um air brush,

1578
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, with this shull kind of pigment to cover

1579
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 1: the tattoos, and they're gonna have to flock hair on

1580
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: my arms. That it's a process and it's going to

1581
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 1: take a long time. Or I can just never wear

1582
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: a short sleeve shirt and always where and and actually

1583
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 1: I said, but I'm I'm actually fine, which was showing

1584
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:22,040
Speaker 1: my tattoos, and Connolly said, yeah, people, it's people are

1585
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 1: no longer stigmatized by having tattoos. It's not a it's

1586
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 1: not a taboo thing. It's not indicative of your you're

1587
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: standing in society. Um. So Mike said, let's just let's

1588
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 1: just go with the tattoos. What I will say is

1589
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 1: I have significantly more tattoos now than I did in

1590
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:48,920
Speaker 1: the first season. So I would usually get a call

1591
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 1: from my manager at some point and he would say,

1592
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:56,280
Speaker 1: I just got a call from Henrik. There's one. Hendrick

1593
01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 1: Basting is one of our producers. Hendricks is he said,

1594
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: did you get some new ink? And I go, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1595
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: He said, you you posted some pictures on Instagram with

1596
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 1: some new tattoos. Um, what are you doing? And I

1597
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:14,879
Speaker 1: just said it's it's just me, I know. But anyway,

1598
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: they've become a part of Harry. I mean unless someone

1599
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 1: freezes a frame or certain certain shots you can see.

1600
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: But we never talked about them. There was only one

1601
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 1: time where uh, Brooke Smith was playing a captain at

1602
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 1: at the Hollywood Station and it was a funny exchange

1603
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 1: where Bosh walks by her and and Harry's got his

1604
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 1: sleeves up and she says, roll down those sleeves, detective,

1605
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 1: and he kind of comes back to says what she said,

1606
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 1: unless you're gonna get a wire brush and take those

1607
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 1: things off. No ink in my house. Um. And it

1608
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: was how old were you when you got your first tattoo?

1609
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:02,200
Speaker 1: I was a teenager, okay. And we see the tattoos

1610
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 1: on your arms. Do you have tattoos on other places

1611
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: in your body? On your body? I just have to tattoos.

1612
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 1: Tattoos on my rib cageum, which are which are two

1613
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: lovely things that my my girlfriend wrote to me, And

1614
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 1: so I was so touched, I thought I would just Okay,

1615
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: So when you when you continue to get these tattoos,

1616
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:31,639
Speaker 1: do you think that this might impinge on your ability

1617
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 1: to get roles in the future. Well, it would be

1618
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:37,400
Speaker 1: the same sort of thing. I could say, well, you

1619
01:40:37,439 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 1: know what, this character doesn't have tattoos, so let's cover

1620
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: my tattoos, or let's dress me in wardrobe where you

1621
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 1: never where you never see them. Um, I don't think

1622
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 1: that you know, I've been doing this long enough now,

1623
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 1: and people know that I have tattoos, and I think

1624
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna cast me. They're gonna cast me

1625
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 1: from the neck up to begin with, and then we

1626
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:06,520
Speaker 1: can know what we can do deal with the tattoos. Um.

1627
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 1: Remember my aunt saying, well, you know, you'll never be

1628
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:14,720
Speaker 1: buried in a Jewish graveyard. And I said, well, I know,

1629
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 1: but I'm not. We're not Jewish, and she she said,

1630
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: oh that's right, I forgotten. Um, I'm the only I'm

1631
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 1: the only guy you'll ever meet who had a going mitzvah.

1632
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: But that's a whole Um. Well, is there a story there? Yeah,

1633
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:35,520
Speaker 1: there actually is. When I was all of my extended

1634
01:41:35,560 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 1: family as a kid, Um, we're Jewish. So I went

1635
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 1: to temple. My parents were is your mother Jewish? No,

1636
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:45,160
Speaker 1: not at all. I don't have I don't have any

1637
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 1: background at all. These were all extended family or as

1638
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 1: people who were I called aunts and uncles who I

1639
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 1: was very very very close to my family. And so

1640
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready and I uh from my birthday and

1641
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:02,519
Speaker 1: I say to my father, uh, so what are we

1642
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 1: gonna do from my bar Mitzvah? And my father just

1643
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: looks at me and said, what are you talking about

1644
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 1: to my bar mitzvah? You're not having a bar mits?

1645
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 1: So what do you mean? I'm not having environments? Of

1646
01:42:11,439 --> 01:42:14,799
Speaker 1: course I am Danny Goldstein at Enviarnments. But David Wiseman

1647
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 1: had apartment trying to seemed to understand. I said, why

1648
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 1: am I not having the word mits and me? He said,

1649
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:22,640
Speaker 1: you're not Jewish. I said, yeah, I am, and he

1650
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 1: said no, no no, no, being Jewish is a religion. It's

1651
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 1: not just the state of mind. And so this got

1652
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 1: back to my aunt, who was so sort of touched

1653
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 1: and thought it rather hilarious the whole thing that she

1654
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:41,840
Speaker 1: came to me and said, I don't need to worry

1655
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: about this. I'm gonna handle it, which I said what

1656
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 1: she said just so it was a gathering and you know,

1657
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 1: I read a little read a little text and uh

1658
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:59,040
Speaker 1: and and she said, it's a going mitzvah. So and

1659
01:42:59,080 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: it was you know, and I and I, uh, it

1660
01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:04,719
Speaker 1: was it was kind of a lovely, you know, coming

1661
01:43:04,760 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 1: of age experience for me. In my hand. My father said, well,

1662
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 1: you know what, you can say whatever you are now. Um.

1663
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 1: But I just I think it was just because I

1664
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 1: was immersed in that culture. Um and uh. That was

1665
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 1: the only sense of spirituality and religion that I had,

1666
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:31,160
Speaker 1: was going to temple and observing observing the holidays, both holidays.

1667
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean we we would go to my aunt's for

1668
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 1: Passover and and and uh and celebrate Hanukah at her house.

1669
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 1: But then also they would come and you know and

1670
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 1: have Christmas with us. So it was it made kind

1671
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 1: of perfect sense. But I never went to I didn't

1672
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: go to church. My parents would. My dad said to me,

1673
01:43:53,080 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 1: you will never go to church with me. I wore

1674
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 1: the seat of my pants out on a on a

1675
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: psychotic you know, irish him in Catholic church bench. So

1676
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that to you guys. So we went

1677
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: to Episcopalian schools and uh and and I and also

1678
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 1: I was at the went to school with the Child

1679
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 1: Studies Center, learned how to swim with the Jewish Community

1680
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Center and the New Haven. So did you go to

1681
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: Episcopalion in Philly? Yeah? Yeah, I went to the St.

1682
01:44:18,439 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Peter's School down on Lombard Street. Right, Okay, you're so

1683
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 1: well adjusted. Have you ever been in psychotherapy? Yeah? You

1684
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:32,719
Speaker 1: better believe in psychotherapy and psychoanalysis? Yeah? Is that in

1685
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:36,920
Speaker 1: the rear view mirror? You still practicing? No? I like

1686
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 1: to I like to say I'm a work in progress.

1687
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:43,639
Speaker 1: I said, I've said to my to my kids. One

1688
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 1: at one point when they one of them said to me, oh,

1689
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:49,640
Speaker 1: you had years and years and years of he was

1690
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:53,360
Speaker 1: pissed at me and he was sort of about my

1691
01:44:53,680 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: um sometimes impatient and cantankerous nature, and and uh, yeah,

1692
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:04,679
Speaker 1: you did all these years of psychoanalysis and you're still

1693
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 1: you're you're still half crazy. And I said, yes, and

1694
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:12,640
Speaker 1: well that's that's all that it is. It's it's you

1695
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 1: learn to analyze. It doesn't mean you're necessarily out of

1696
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 1: that which, but yeah, tons of it, tons tons of

1697
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:26,280
Speaker 1: psychotherapy and and and I will maintain that I'm I'm

1698
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: as batshit crazy as I've ever been. I'm just a

1699
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 1: little bit better at at navigating it and not inflicting

1700
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: myself on people. I would say, I'm I'm I'm a

1701
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 1: much more centered and well adjusted creature than I was

1702
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 1: in the past. So, Bosh, you have all this notoriety

1703
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:50,600
Speaker 1: that this series has built. Where does this leave you

1704
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 1: going forward? Well, I'm you know, I'm definitely utilizing this

1705
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:59,600
Speaker 1: this lockdown period. I've had a lot of ideas that

1706
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:02,680
Speaker 1: have kind of been percolating, and um, it becomes that

1707
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:04,559
Speaker 1: thing of I gotta you know, I gotta fix that

1708
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 1: hinge and I really want to reseal my driveway kind

1709
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:14,479
Speaker 1: of thing, but of writing, and so I'm, um, I'm

1710
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 1: putting together some ideas that have been floating around, and

1711
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 1: the post post Bosh life will be, um, you know,

1712
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:27,640
Speaker 1: hopefully realizing those things. But you never know, because um,

1713
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 1: I think once well, one can only hope that I'm

1714
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 1: become a free agent again, that there will be you know,

1715
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:36,600
Speaker 1: other opportunities. It may be that thing right where I

1716
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 1: go to somebody and I had them say, here's the

1717
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:40,960
Speaker 1: here's the show that I wrote that I wanted for

1718
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:43,559
Speaker 1: myself that I want to do and they'll go, that's great.

1719
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 1: So I have this one that the studio has already

1720
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:51,160
Speaker 1: committed to, and if you want to do it, we

1721
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 1: can start shooting this next month. I think it'll be

1722
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting. I'm not one. I'm you know, sedentary

1723
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:03,519
Speaker 1: is not my nature. So whether I'm putting it down

1724
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper immediately, or if I'm um

1725
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,800
Speaker 1: letting the idea just date and the idea has just

1726
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 1: stated enough to the point now where I can actually

1727
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: sit down and start to to write an outline, and

1728
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,599
Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's good. It's very

1729
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 1: different than than Bosh, but um, I think it's a

1730
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: solid idea. So hopefully, UM, the next time I talked

1731
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 1: to you, we can be talking about that. Or we

1732
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,160
Speaker 1: could also be having that conversation where you could say,

1733
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 1: remember when I said to you when you're on the show, Hey,

1734
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:39,960
Speaker 1: what if decides they want to do this, Well here

1735
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 1: we are, We're back and we're still doing it. Um,

1736
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:46,840
Speaker 1: you know that's a look. I I just love to work.

1737
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm very very fortunate that I can make a pretty

1738
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:56,559
Speaker 1: damn good living doing what I love. To do and

1739
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: and and I love to work. I'm like, so let's

1740
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,559
Speaker 1: just say for the thirty years, will give you thirty

1741
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:06,759
Speaker 1: years on this planet if you just continue to work.

1742
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:10,559
Speaker 1: Is that satisfying? Men try to tend to think of

1743
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:14,840
Speaker 1: a totem pole. Is there some specific goal that you

1744
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: want to reach or a conceptual level. I would like

1745
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 1: to um begin to direct certainly. Uh that had been

1746
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:35,600
Speaker 1: a consideration on bosh. Uh. It just the schedule and

1747
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,840
Speaker 1: how it works just for me seemed to make it

1748
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 1: too daunting. And then when I realized it was going

1749
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 1: to be our last season, UM, I said, you know what,

1750
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 1: I kind of pulled my hat out of the ring

1751
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 1: because that's what we were gonna do. I was going

1752
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 1: to come in and direct in the seventh season. And

1753
01:48:51,000 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 1: then I just said, you know, I really want to

1754
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:57,640
Speaker 1: focus on doing the show. If that boomerangs back at

1755
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:02,160
Speaker 1: another time, if there is life elsewhere or something, yeah, sure,

1756
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 1: but that's something I'd like to do. And I would

1757
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 1: also like to um develop other things as a writer,

1758
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 1: not just for myself but for for other actors, and

1759
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:17,400
Speaker 1: to direct and produce those those projects. And and as

1760
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 1: always continue uh my career as a painter which is

1761
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 1: something that's that's important to me. How often do you paint? Well,

1762
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 1: right now, I'm not painting at all because my studios

1763
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 1: back east. I typically paint when I'm back at the

1764
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 1: at my farm during the summertime. I take that that

1765
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:39,880
Speaker 1: solid month and get up and paint every single day

1766
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 1: because I painted acrylics and I paint very quickly. I

1767
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:47,000
Speaker 1: will typically paint for a solid six to seven hours

1768
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:50,840
Speaker 1: and in a day to complete a painting. So have

1769
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 1: these representational or abstract? Yeah, they're a I mean it

1770
01:49:55,400 --> 01:50:01,040
Speaker 1: definitely falls into the column of abstract expressionism, not dissimilar

1771
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:05,519
Speaker 1: from from my father, but also very very different than this.

1772
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 1: But I paint landscapes, their landscapes. But there and are

1773
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 1: these paintings shown and for sale? Yes? They are? Yeah,

1774
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:18,559
Speaker 1: um they I had a show actually here in Los

1775
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 1: Angeles at the at the Home Gallery at Bergamont Station. Um,

1776
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:28,759
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm looking to uh actually had a print

1777
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 1: that was purchased by the Museum Modern Art in New York. Congratulations,

1778
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:37,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I know, I'm um. I wish

1779
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 1: my old man could be alive to see that, because

1780
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:43,920
Speaker 1: he would uh, I know that would that would please him. Okay,

1781
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 1: this has been wonderful, Titus. Really, as I say, you're

1782
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 1: quite The conversation was rock and tour and we could

1783
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:52,600
Speaker 1: go on forever, but I think we've come to the

1784
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: end of the feeling we've known today. Thanks so much

1785
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 1: for doing this, Thank you much for having me, and

1786
01:50:58,600 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 1: I just want to tell you what a great crib

1787
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 1: as it is to to be able to talk to

1788
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 1: you one on one. I'm a I'm a longtime fan,

1789
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 1: and um, I have to say, for one who doesn't

1790
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:14,960
Speaker 1: read reviews, I was so um pounded and pounded by friends,

1791
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:19,280
Speaker 1: family and representation to read the beautiful things that you wrote.

1792
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 1: So you're the first my friend, and I have to

1793
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:27,520
Speaker 1: say I read it very quickly and I went but um,

1794
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 1: but thank you. Although that reminds me of a couple

1795
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 1: of things on James Taylor's Guerrilla album from it was

1796
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:38,679
Speaker 1: a great song called Lighthouse, and he goes, just because

1797
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:41,479
Speaker 1: I might be standing here, that doesn't mean I won't

1798
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 1: be wrong this time where by And the other thing,

1799
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:49,080
Speaker 1: that's what people do when people say, oh, you're so

1800
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 1: right on whatever, I give him that back because I

1801
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 1: can't hold that. The other thing I tell people is

1802
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:57,000
Speaker 1: every day I hear people email me that I'm God,

1803
01:51:57,080 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 1: and people email me that I'm a ship head. So

1804
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 1: you know nature of the Internet. If you get that

1805
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:05,840
Speaker 1: instant response, it's beautiful read it. You know, on some

1806
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:09,600
Speaker 1: levels level of inoculation. Although there's people you know me

1807
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:11,639
Speaker 1: every day to tell me that I'm a ship heead

1808
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 1: so a couple of those people I don't read anymore.

1809
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:19,679
Speaker 1: But thanks again, thank you so much. So next time,

1810
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:21,040
Speaker 1: this is Bob left Sense