1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:18,657 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or wherever. 3 00:00:18,457 --> 00:00:19,977 Speaker 2: You get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,377 --> 00:00:23,617 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, welcome in in his book publishing day, so 5 00:00:23,617 --> 00:00:25,857 Speaker 1: I have to tell you get your copy of Manufacturing Delusion, 6 00:00:25,857 --> 00:00:29,137 Speaker 1: how the Left US is brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda against you. 7 00:00:29,297 --> 00:00:32,417 Speaker 1: Just manufacturing delusion for those who and some have actually 8 00:00:32,777 --> 00:00:34,737 Speaker 1: managed to figure out that it is a little bit 9 00:00:34,777 --> 00:00:38,977 Speaker 1: of a cheeky rejoinder to Anom Chomsky gnome. 10 00:00:38,817 --> 00:00:39,977 Speaker 2: Of the Epstein Files. 11 00:00:39,977 --> 00:00:44,497 Speaker 1: I might add Nom Chomsky book and who is a 12 00:00:44,537 --> 00:00:47,017 Speaker 1: godless communist who hates America. So this is a better 13 00:00:47,017 --> 00:00:49,737 Speaker 1: book that deals with much more interesting things. We are 14 00:00:49,897 --> 00:00:52,177 Speaker 1: joined now by my friend Lydia moynihan. She is of 15 00:00:52,217 --> 00:00:55,377 Speaker 1: the New York Post. She has also assured me that 16 00:00:55,457 --> 00:00:57,137 Speaker 1: she will be buying a copy of the book, which 17 00:00:57,177 --> 00:00:59,857 Speaker 1: is a smart thing to say to a podcast host 18 00:00:59,857 --> 00:01:01,977 Speaker 1: before you're going on his show. You don't want to 19 00:01:02,017 --> 00:01:04,497 Speaker 1: go the other direction with nah, I'm not really a reader, 20 00:01:04,697 --> 00:01:05,297 Speaker 1: so thank. 21 00:01:05,137 --> 00:01:05,737 Speaker 2: You for that. 22 00:01:06,137 --> 00:01:09,017 Speaker 3: Well, and thanks to Trump's economy, I can now afford 23 00:01:09,297 --> 00:01:11,137 Speaker 3: to drop thirty bucks on a book. 24 00:01:11,617 --> 00:01:12,857 Speaker 2: I did see that eggs. 25 00:01:13,057 --> 00:01:17,217 Speaker 1: Eggs are down a lot from their high so we 26 00:01:17,297 --> 00:01:18,817 Speaker 1: got that going for us, which is nice. 27 00:01:18,897 --> 00:01:19,057 Speaker 2: Right. 28 00:01:19,097 --> 00:01:22,337 Speaker 1: So now the the hardcover or the audiobook whichever I 29 00:01:22,457 --> 00:01:23,937 Speaker 1: like to sell those hardcovers because. 30 00:01:23,777 --> 00:01:26,577 Speaker 2: Wow, hardcover books are kind of expensive, like thirty bucks. 31 00:01:28,577 --> 00:01:30,897 Speaker 4: That that should be Trump's next focus is taking down 32 00:01:30,937 --> 00:01:33,977 Speaker 4: the price of books. No, congratulations, thank you. It is mouseful. 33 00:01:34,097 --> 00:01:35,937 Speaker 3: Like I think that if I was to have a book, 34 00:01:36,057 --> 00:01:38,417 Speaker 3: I would name it something really short that's like one syllable. 35 00:01:38,537 --> 00:01:41,697 Speaker 3: So kudos to you for naming it something across that 36 00:01:41,737 --> 00:01:44,057 Speaker 3: you have to like constantly repeat. 37 00:01:44,137 --> 00:01:47,217 Speaker 4: So I will tell you audio the audiobook. 38 00:01:47,857 --> 00:01:50,057 Speaker 2: Oh I did the audiobook myself. Yes, the audiobook. 39 00:01:50,097 --> 00:01:52,057 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so people can go and listen to if 40 00:01:52,097 --> 00:01:54,057 Speaker 1: they prefer, they can have my voice doing all the 41 00:01:54,177 --> 00:01:58,777 Speaker 1: all the heavy lifting for them. But I when I 42 00:01:58,777 --> 00:02:01,857 Speaker 1: was going through this process, I wanted. The title that 43 00:02:01,897 --> 00:02:04,497 Speaker 1: I wanted was just Manufacturing Delusion. And that was the 44 00:02:04,537 --> 00:02:07,777 Speaker 1: first title that I wanted from the very beginning. And 45 00:02:07,817 --> 00:02:11,297 Speaker 1: it's one of these things where editors, you know, the publisher, 46 00:02:11,497 --> 00:02:14,657 Speaker 1: came along. Editor's working the publisher and we had to 47 00:02:14,657 --> 00:02:17,017 Speaker 1: do this like okay, well that's good, but let's go 48 00:02:17,177 --> 00:02:19,897 Speaker 1: through and we went through like all these other titles 49 00:02:19,937 --> 00:02:23,097 Speaker 1: and all these other things, and at one point, out 50 00:02:23,137 --> 00:02:26,857 Speaker 1: of nowhere, a kind of person I wasn't working directly. 51 00:02:26,617 --> 00:02:27,897 Speaker 2: With was like, what if we just called it two 52 00:02:27,897 --> 00:02:28,937 Speaker 2: plus two weeks five? 53 00:02:29,017 --> 00:02:32,337 Speaker 1: I was like, I think that's going to make it 54 00:02:32,377 --> 00:02:36,257 Speaker 1: pretty easy to denigrate the book. It's like if the 55 00:02:36,537 --> 00:02:40,097 Speaker 1: if the title of the book is incorrect. Now, of course, 56 00:02:40,137 --> 00:02:43,417 Speaker 1: the idea being like, that's that's like what you know, 57 00:02:43,577 --> 00:02:47,017 Speaker 1: manufactured delusion is it's when you will you will affirm 58 00:02:47,057 --> 00:02:48,697 Speaker 1: the most obvious lies and you will on the gate 59 00:02:48,737 --> 00:02:51,897 Speaker 1: the most most important truths and how that plays out 60 00:02:51,897 --> 00:02:52,497 Speaker 1: in politics. 61 00:02:52,777 --> 00:02:54,057 Speaker 2: But I just thought it was kind of funny. I 62 00:02:54,097 --> 00:02:55,337 Speaker 2: was like, Wow, we're really taking this. 63 00:02:55,377 --> 00:02:57,537 Speaker 1: And then we went The point is we went all 64 00:02:57,537 --> 00:03:00,017 Speaker 1: the way back to the original title after weeks of 65 00:03:00,057 --> 00:03:01,297 Speaker 1: back and forth over titles. 66 00:03:01,297 --> 00:03:03,817 Speaker 2: So I feel like there we go, and with. 67 00:03:03,777 --> 00:03:07,417 Speaker 1: Special points for anybody who got the Gnome Chompsky reference 68 00:03:07,417 --> 00:03:07,817 Speaker 1: in there. 69 00:03:07,857 --> 00:03:10,577 Speaker 2: So yes, indeed, all right, Steam. 70 00:03:10,337 --> 00:03:12,937 Speaker 4: Files never die, nor do their main characters. 71 00:03:13,377 --> 00:03:16,697 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm also curious there are some people that are 72 00:03:16,777 --> 00:03:18,697 Speaker 1: in the Epstein Oh okay, we can talk Epstein files 73 00:03:18,737 --> 00:03:20,697 Speaker 1: here for a second. I think I'm actually talking later 74 00:03:20,737 --> 00:03:24,257 Speaker 1: tonight about this, so you can you can school me 75 00:03:24,337 --> 00:03:24,937 Speaker 1: up on this a bit. 76 00:03:25,137 --> 00:03:25,657 Speaker 2: There are some. 77 00:03:25,577 --> 00:03:28,297 Speaker 1: People who appear in the apps, including one or two 78 00:03:28,297 --> 00:03:31,377 Speaker 1: people that I know not well but know them, who 79 00:03:31,417 --> 00:03:32,977 Speaker 1: appear in the Epstein files a lot. And what I 80 00:03:33,017 --> 00:03:35,537 Speaker 1: think is interesting is now we're at the phase where 81 00:03:35,577 --> 00:03:39,617 Speaker 1: if you're in the files but there's nothing about you 82 00:03:39,697 --> 00:03:43,897 Speaker 1: that comes across, that is just like gross. And again 83 00:03:43,937 --> 00:03:47,097 Speaker 1: there's nothing, no criminal charges of any kind based on 84 00:03:47,137 --> 00:03:49,017 Speaker 1: what's in these files at this point, so that's that's 85 00:03:49,017 --> 00:03:53,297 Speaker 1: off the table. But like Peter Atia, for example, when 86 00:03:53,337 --> 00:03:55,177 Speaker 1: you're going to hang out with Epscene instead of being 87 00:03:55,177 --> 00:03:57,017 Speaker 1: with your kid who's in the ICU, and you say 88 00:03:57,057 --> 00:03:59,377 Speaker 1: it's because like, I think that's by the way, I 89 00:03:59,377 --> 00:04:01,737 Speaker 1: think that's brand annihilation. I have nothing against the guy. 90 00:04:01,777 --> 00:04:04,577 Speaker 1: I think that's really that's really well, what do you 91 00:04:04,617 --> 00:04:06,617 Speaker 1: think this? Does he manage to come back from them. 92 00:04:06,857 --> 00:04:08,697 Speaker 4: On the kindness of strangers? 93 00:04:08,777 --> 00:04:11,257 Speaker 3: Right, People who are you and think you're a good 94 00:04:11,257 --> 00:04:15,137 Speaker 3: guy look up to you, whether it's for a longevity inspiration, 95 00:04:15,297 --> 00:04:17,777 Speaker 3: but people liked him, right, and so I think he's 96 00:04:17,777 --> 00:04:21,697 Speaker 3: gonna lose any of that sort of identity capital that 97 00:04:21,777 --> 00:04:24,257 Speaker 3: he had. Yeah, I go back and forth between being 98 00:04:25,057 --> 00:04:27,097 Speaker 3: outraged and then just super confused. 99 00:04:26,737 --> 00:04:27,737 Speaker 4: About the Epstein files. 100 00:04:27,857 --> 00:04:30,977 Speaker 3: The latest list that the DJ released was literally just 101 00:04:31,017 --> 00:04:33,537 Speaker 3: a list of like three hundred names that are referenced 102 00:04:33,577 --> 00:04:37,097 Speaker 3: in the files, like Marilyn Monroe, Elvis Presley. 103 00:04:37,857 --> 00:04:38,777 Speaker 4: Totally random. 104 00:04:39,057 --> 00:04:42,697 Speaker 3: And I think the media is having a field day 105 00:04:43,217 --> 00:04:46,257 Speaker 3: because I don't believe in guilt by association, but they 106 00:04:46,297 --> 00:04:49,537 Speaker 3: are manufacturing a lot of these sort of guilt by 107 00:04:49,577 --> 00:04:53,857 Speaker 3: association headlines. There's been so many takedowns of people who 108 00:04:54,217 --> 00:04:57,857 Speaker 3: were just casually mentioned, which I don't think is fair, 109 00:04:57,897 --> 00:05:01,017 Speaker 3: and I don't want to slander or attack somebody because 110 00:05:01,017 --> 00:05:04,737 Speaker 3: they were briefly called out. In fact, I was speaking 111 00:05:04,777 --> 00:05:06,257 Speaker 3: with one person who said, look, if you're if you're 112 00:05:06,297 --> 00:05:08,337 Speaker 3: over the age of forty five and you're not mentioned 113 00:05:08,337 --> 00:05:09,697 Speaker 3: in the Epstein files. 114 00:05:09,497 --> 00:05:10,857 Speaker 4: You weren't hard enough. 115 00:05:10,897 --> 00:05:14,257 Speaker 3: So clearly there is this concept of sort of social 116 00:05:14,297 --> 00:05:17,577 Speaker 3: proof where people maybe didn't necessarily know Epstein, but they 117 00:05:17,937 --> 00:05:20,977 Speaker 3: knew people who knew him, didn't know enough about him 118 00:05:21,017 --> 00:05:22,937 Speaker 3: to really have an opinion, but they were in that 119 00:05:23,497 --> 00:05:28,017 Speaker 3: social circle. And so I do think that too many 120 00:05:28,097 --> 00:05:30,137 Speaker 3: people are being caught in this net. But at the 121 00:05:30,177 --> 00:05:32,817 Speaker 3: same time, it doesn't seem like people like Bill Gates 122 00:05:32,937 --> 00:05:36,577 Speaker 3: or Reid Hoffman, who are sort of the upper echelon 123 00:05:36,617 --> 00:05:39,457 Speaker 3: elites of our society, are really suffering any consequences. 124 00:05:39,497 --> 00:05:39,737 Speaker 2: Yeah. 125 00:05:39,737 --> 00:05:42,217 Speaker 1: I mean, Bill Gates is a loathsome scumbag, but people 126 00:05:42,257 --> 00:05:46,297 Speaker 1: should have known that because he was going around, you know, 127 00:05:46,497 --> 00:05:50,737 Speaker 1: funding organizations that were trying to get us all to 128 00:05:50,737 --> 00:05:53,897 Speaker 1: eat bug meat and grow man boobs like like, there 129 00:05:53,977 --> 00:05:56,177 Speaker 1: was plenty of stuff to see about Bill Gates that 130 00:05:56,217 --> 00:05:58,977 Speaker 1: we should not have liked way before the Epstein files. 131 00:05:59,617 --> 00:06:02,017 Speaker 3: Totally totally, But I think it's interesting because somebody like 132 00:06:02,097 --> 00:06:05,377 Speaker 3: him isn't really going to face any consequences because he's 133 00:06:05,697 --> 00:06:09,057 Speaker 3: so rich, he's sort of above any reproach. And it 134 00:06:09,137 --> 00:06:12,657 Speaker 3: so those people who may are more they're not billionaires, 135 00:06:12,737 --> 00:06:14,497 Speaker 3: but they were sort of in those circles who maybe 136 00:06:14,537 --> 00:06:19,097 Speaker 3: are being unfairly attacks. And that's kind of unfortunate because 137 00:06:19,137 --> 00:06:20,817 Speaker 3: I would like to see somebody like Bill Gates actually 138 00:06:20,897 --> 00:06:25,057 Speaker 3: taken down and not the people who just maybe had 139 00:06:25,057 --> 00:06:26,697 Speaker 3: a conversation with Epstein once. 140 00:06:26,897 --> 00:06:28,417 Speaker 1: Well, I do think that there are a lot of 141 00:06:28,417 --> 00:06:31,737 Speaker 1: people who because so many names will come out now, 142 00:06:32,257 --> 00:06:34,177 Speaker 1: like there are people who visited the island like with 143 00:06:34,217 --> 00:06:36,257 Speaker 1: their wife and kids, and people are just saying, oh 144 00:06:36,337 --> 00:06:36,697 Speaker 1: my gosh. 145 00:06:36,737 --> 00:06:37,937 Speaker 2: It's like, no, you don't understand. 146 00:06:37,977 --> 00:06:41,137 Speaker 1: This guy was just a really rich guy who was 147 00:06:41,177 --> 00:06:45,897 Speaker 1: positioning himself as essentially this super rich dude with access 148 00:06:45,937 --> 00:06:49,297 Speaker 1: to a lot of of age women, which is something 149 00:06:49,337 --> 00:06:52,217 Speaker 1: else that doesn't get talked about. He would bring twenty 150 00:06:52,257 --> 00:06:55,377 Speaker 1: four year old victorious secret models to parties. I know 151 00:06:55,457 --> 00:06:58,297 Speaker 1: a lot of guys in their fifties and yeah, I 152 00:06:58,337 --> 00:06:59,857 Speaker 1: know a lot of guys in their fifties and sixties 153 00:06:59,897 --> 00:07:02,617 Speaker 1: who were like that sounds you know, then you have 154 00:07:02,657 --> 00:07:05,017 Speaker 1: to separate these things. That's different than Epstein and his 155 00:07:05,057 --> 00:07:07,977 Speaker 1: own personal conduct. Obviously was involved with underage girls and 156 00:07:08,217 --> 00:07:09,617 Speaker 1: did stuff that he was going to go to prison 157 00:07:09,657 --> 00:07:12,137 Speaker 1: for the rest of light before well before he died 158 00:07:12,177 --> 00:07:14,977 Speaker 1: in that prison cell. So there's there's all that, But 159 00:07:15,337 --> 00:07:16,817 Speaker 1: is it ever going to be enough for the people 160 00:07:16,817 --> 00:07:19,737 Speaker 1: who want Is there such a thing as enough transparency 161 00:07:19,777 --> 00:07:20,017 Speaker 1: on this? 162 00:07:20,097 --> 00:07:20,217 Speaker 2: Now? 163 00:07:20,257 --> 00:07:21,697 Speaker 1: I wasn't even going to talk to you about Fstein, 164 00:07:21,737 --> 00:07:23,417 Speaker 1: but it feels like it just comes up all the time. 165 00:07:23,937 --> 00:07:25,257 Speaker 1: I want to talk about Nancy Guthrie. 166 00:07:25,817 --> 00:07:29,897 Speaker 3: Second, I and I vacillate back and forth because so far, 167 00:07:29,937 --> 00:07:32,977 Speaker 3: I mean, I think the dump that we've seen has 168 00:07:33,297 --> 00:07:37,337 Speaker 3: shed a lot more heat than light. There's been victims 169 00:07:37,377 --> 00:07:39,737 Speaker 3: who've been named, and so that dump has sort of 170 00:07:39,777 --> 00:07:41,857 Speaker 3: been a disaster. And then you look at some of 171 00:07:41,857 --> 00:07:44,737 Speaker 3: the the emails that have been redacted and the subject 172 00:07:44,777 --> 00:07:46,857 Speaker 3: line is like I had a great time with your 173 00:07:46,937 --> 00:07:49,737 Speaker 3: naughtiest little girl, Like why. 174 00:07:49,657 --> 00:07:52,377 Speaker 4: Was that person's email redacted? So I think there's I 175 00:07:52,417 --> 00:07:53,617 Speaker 4: think there's too many questions. 176 00:07:53,657 --> 00:07:57,457 Speaker 3: But I also feel like any of these mysteries, like 177 00:07:57,617 --> 00:08:00,937 Speaker 3: the JFK assassination, like I just don't think we're going 178 00:08:01,017 --> 00:08:04,857 Speaker 3: to get everything we want from these documents anything. 179 00:08:04,897 --> 00:08:08,937 Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is you show showalt. 180 00:08:07,617 --> 00:08:10,537 Speaker 3: And I also think, to your point, a lot of 181 00:08:10,617 --> 00:08:13,217 Speaker 3: lecherous people, a lot of creepy people knew him, But 182 00:08:13,257 --> 00:08:16,217 Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that they were raping children. Like, yes, 183 00:08:16,297 --> 00:08:17,217 Speaker 3: you can be a really bad guy. 184 00:08:17,217 --> 00:08:20,457 Speaker 1: It's a different thing children. That's a that's a different 185 00:08:20,497 --> 00:08:22,257 Speaker 1: it's a very different thing. It is different in the 186 00:08:22,297 --> 00:08:24,777 Speaker 1: criminal law, it is different, you know, morally. I mean 187 00:08:24,817 --> 00:08:26,897 Speaker 1: there this is a this is a there's a bright 188 00:08:26,977 --> 00:08:30,497 Speaker 1: red line, and I think some people are losing sight 189 00:08:30,617 --> 00:08:34,577 Speaker 1: of Okay, well, there's conduct that's you know, like this 190 00:08:34,777 --> 00:08:37,217 Speaker 1: conduct that's you don't agree with her as gross, but 191 00:08:37,257 --> 00:08:40,337 Speaker 1: it's not illegal, and it's not you know, monstrous or 192 00:08:40,417 --> 00:08:44,417 Speaker 1: or deeply unethical in the same way as the clearly 193 00:08:44,537 --> 00:08:48,137 Speaker 1: illegal bright red line crossing stuff would be. And and 194 00:08:48,177 --> 00:08:51,097 Speaker 1: so I think that some of that gets lost in 195 00:08:51,137 --> 00:08:54,297 Speaker 1: this in this discussion. But these women who keep having 196 00:08:54,337 --> 00:08:57,737 Speaker 1: the press conferences. You know, Clay actually got my co 197 00:08:57,817 --> 00:08:59,577 Speaker 1: host on radio, you know, Clay, he got a lot 198 00:08:59,617 --> 00:09:01,577 Speaker 1: of heat from this because he's pointed this out. Others 199 00:09:01,577 --> 00:09:04,537 Speaker 1: have as well. Okay, why don't they just say who 200 00:09:04,857 --> 00:09:08,017 Speaker 1: victimized them? And I'm seeing now some of these women 201 00:09:08,497 --> 00:09:12,137 Speaker 1: were being told and again this is not to in 202 00:09:12,177 --> 00:09:16,057 Speaker 1: any way, you know, take away from the focus on 203 00:09:16,297 --> 00:09:19,497 Speaker 1: the awfulness of the exploitation of the underage girls that 204 00:09:19,497 --> 00:09:22,697 Speaker 1: Epstein was involved in. But someone telling me that they 205 00:09:22,697 --> 00:09:30,137 Speaker 1: were twenty three and they went to Epstein parties, I'm like, okay, well, well, 206 00:09:30,177 --> 00:09:33,337 Speaker 1: like what was the you were you were you were 207 00:09:33,337 --> 00:09:35,537 Speaker 1: an adult? I mean we could say that, you know, 208 00:09:35,777 --> 00:09:37,497 Speaker 1: if they're being uh what do you call it? If 209 00:09:37,497 --> 00:09:42,017 Speaker 1: they're being paid? Okay, that's prostitution, But what what is 210 00:09:42,097 --> 00:09:45,137 Speaker 1: the why are we having these press conferences with people 211 00:09:45,137 --> 00:09:47,537 Speaker 1: who were I don't understand what are we being told 212 00:09:47,577 --> 00:09:50,257 Speaker 1: by the people who were adults at the time and 213 00:09:50,297 --> 00:09:53,697 Speaker 1: at all times when they interact with Epstein. Why is 214 00:09:53,737 --> 00:09:57,537 Speaker 1: that the center of this conversation. Sometimes that seems to me, 215 00:09:58,777 --> 00:09:59,377 Speaker 1: You're right, No. 216 00:09:59,457 --> 00:10:03,617 Speaker 3: It's perpetuating this myth that there is a string of 217 00:10:03,777 --> 00:10:07,977 Speaker 3: child braepists and pedophiles. And I do think Look, certainly, 218 00:10:07,977 --> 00:10:10,657 Speaker 3: if the Biden administration had any smoking gun against Trump, 219 00:10:10,697 --> 00:10:13,937 Speaker 3: against any Republican from the Epstein vials, they would have 220 00:10:14,217 --> 00:10:16,697 Speaker 3: tried to put them in jail ten ways to Sunday. 221 00:10:16,777 --> 00:10:18,337 Speaker 4: And I think, you know, you look at this DJ. 222 00:10:18,617 --> 00:10:22,937 Speaker 3: If there was a smoking gun that claimed Bill Gates 223 00:10:22,937 --> 00:10:24,977 Speaker 3: had done something that could put him in jail, I'd 224 00:10:25,017 --> 00:10:27,497 Speaker 3: like to think that Pam Bondi would go after him. 225 00:10:27,737 --> 00:10:30,857 Speaker 3: But the reality is it doesn't seem at this point 226 00:10:31,257 --> 00:10:33,177 Speaker 3: that we have any evidence of that. And I guess 227 00:10:33,217 --> 00:10:36,417 Speaker 3: I think it would be great if the DOJ clarified 228 00:10:36,457 --> 00:10:38,937 Speaker 3: and said, look, we've looked into this, we've looked into that, 229 00:10:39,457 --> 00:10:41,657 Speaker 3: We've gone down the rabbit holes, and there's just nothing 230 00:10:41,697 --> 00:10:44,297 Speaker 3: to substantiate it. Because I think what they're doing now 231 00:10:44,497 --> 00:10:47,457 Speaker 3: is they're just releasing all of this information and they're 232 00:10:47,497 --> 00:10:50,777 Speaker 3: not really walking people through it or providing context. Right. 233 00:10:50,777 --> 00:10:53,537 Speaker 4: They had this list that they just listed. 234 00:10:53,337 --> 00:10:56,137 Speaker 3: Three hundred names, and there was no information about what 235 00:10:56,857 --> 00:10:59,817 Speaker 3: Elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe could possibly have in common. 236 00:10:59,857 --> 00:11:04,177 Speaker 3: So I would like to see an explanation of why 237 00:11:04,217 --> 00:11:05,977 Speaker 3: they've done what they've done. I think that would be 238 00:11:06,057 --> 00:11:09,777 Speaker 3: really helpful because I would imagine again, if there were 239 00:11:09,777 --> 00:11:12,057 Speaker 3: people and they had a smoking gun, I'd like to 240 00:11:12,057 --> 00:11:13,057 Speaker 3: think they would go after them. 241 00:11:13,337 --> 00:11:13,977 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. 242 00:11:14,057 --> 00:11:15,257 Speaker 2: I think so too. This is what I. 243 00:11:15,217 --> 00:11:18,217 Speaker 3: Said, But I don't think thousands of people are covering 244 00:11:18,297 --> 00:11:19,257 Speaker 3: up for one person. 245 00:11:19,577 --> 00:11:20,937 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what I said about the files. 246 00:11:20,937 --> 00:11:22,897 Speaker 1: As guys, if there was smoking gun in the files, 247 00:11:22,937 --> 00:11:24,417 Speaker 1: they it wouldn't be in the files. 248 00:11:24,417 --> 00:11:25,217 Speaker 2: You would already know. 249 00:11:25,497 --> 00:11:28,737 Speaker 1: Or or it has been removed from the files already, 250 00:11:29,217 --> 00:11:30,777 Speaker 1: which means it's not in the files. 251 00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:31,017 Speaker 2: Right. 252 00:11:31,017 --> 00:11:32,897 Speaker 1: This is we kind of keep going around in this 253 00:11:33,017 --> 00:11:34,937 Speaker 1: circle they don't have. This is like what I said 254 00:11:34,937 --> 00:11:37,097 Speaker 1: about Trump's tax returns. The government already had them. I 255 00:11:37,137 --> 00:11:39,017 Speaker 1: know it's a very different issue, but I like there's 256 00:11:39,057 --> 00:11:41,977 Speaker 1: no putin. I love you, thanks for the five million 257 00:11:42,017 --> 00:11:44,697 Speaker 1: dollars in Trump's tax returns. The government has them to 258 00:11:44,737 --> 00:11:46,817 Speaker 1: go through and look over. But you know that anyway, 259 00:11:46,857 --> 00:11:48,097 Speaker 1: people like to believe this madness. 260 00:11:48,217 --> 00:11:50,137 Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, never satisfied. 261 00:11:50,217 --> 00:11:52,337 Speaker 3: Right, Like, if you're somebody who thinks that Trump is 262 00:11:52,417 --> 00:11:55,097 Speaker 3: a Russian agent, it doesn't matter. They could release everything, 263 00:11:55,137 --> 00:11:57,897 Speaker 3: and you would never be satisfied because you would believe 264 00:11:58,897 --> 00:12:02,497 Speaker 3: without evidence that something is true, and you would always believe, 265 00:12:02,537 --> 00:12:04,377 Speaker 3: oh well, there's more that we haven't seen, There's more that. 266 00:12:04,497 --> 00:12:05,257 Speaker 4: They're covering up. 267 00:12:06,137 --> 00:12:10,657 Speaker 3: If you believe something without looking to facts or data, 268 00:12:10,697 --> 00:12:12,737 Speaker 3: I don't think you're you're ever going to be satisfied. 269 00:12:12,977 --> 00:12:15,057 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's all very true. 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Text Buck to ninety eight ninety 288 00:12:59,057 --> 00:12:59,577 Speaker 1: eight ninety eight. 289 00:12:59,577 --> 00:13:02,817 Speaker 2: All right Lydia the other big, the other story that's 290 00:13:03,017 --> 00:13:03,937 Speaker 2: everyone's talking about this. 291 00:13:04,137 --> 00:13:05,657 Speaker 1: We don't really talk about it much on radio, I 292 00:13:05,737 --> 00:13:07,497 Speaker 1: keep saying, and people right in like, why aren't you 293 00:13:07,537 --> 00:13:09,937 Speaker 1: talking more about the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping. I'm like, we 294 00:13:10,177 --> 00:13:13,217 Speaker 1: know she was kidnapped, right almost, no nothing. We have 295 00:13:13,697 --> 00:13:16,417 Speaker 1: photos of the guy who we think did it clearly, 296 00:13:17,017 --> 00:13:19,377 Speaker 1: and you don't know anything about him. He's all covered up. 297 00:13:19,617 --> 00:13:21,897 Speaker 1: That's all we have. And yet they're running twenty four 298 00:13:21,937 --> 00:13:25,017 Speaker 1: to seven coverage on this. What what draws the fascination 299 00:13:25,657 --> 00:13:28,857 Speaker 1: in this about a story where there's no advancing of 300 00:13:28,897 --> 00:13:32,057 Speaker 1: the story so far. It's kind of a news phenomenon 301 00:13:32,097 --> 00:13:32,897 Speaker 1: that we're observing. 302 00:13:33,937 --> 00:13:37,337 Speaker 3: What's baffling to me too, is right, there's nothing, there's 303 00:13:37,337 --> 00:13:39,937 Speaker 3: no new update, and yet we'll get like five push 304 00:13:39,977 --> 00:13:45,137 Speaker 3: notifications in a day to say DNA found, DNA being invested. 305 00:13:45,337 --> 00:13:48,057 Speaker 3: All of these updates when there's really nothing new to 306 00:13:48,177 --> 00:13:50,457 Speaker 3: report on and there's wald to wall cover. I've had 307 00:13:50,537 --> 00:13:52,857 Speaker 3: multiple TV hits now canceled because they're like, sorry, we're 308 00:13:52,857 --> 00:13:57,097 Speaker 3: doing wal to all coverage on Nancy Guthrie, and I 309 00:13:57,217 --> 00:14:00,657 Speaker 3: just it's kind of it's kind of, honestly an exercise 310 00:14:01,337 --> 00:14:02,777 Speaker 3: in how much can you talk. 311 00:14:02,617 --> 00:14:03,657 Speaker 4: Without saying anything? 312 00:14:03,657 --> 00:14:07,497 Speaker 3: Because they are filling hours and hours of TV about 313 00:14:08,017 --> 00:14:11,937 Speaker 3: sharing anything new. And I also don't underunderstand why this 314 00:14:12,017 --> 00:14:15,217 Speaker 3: has caught fire in such a way. It's a tragic story, 315 00:14:16,177 --> 00:14:18,777 Speaker 3: but it's it's a news anchor's mother. There's at this 316 00:14:18,817 --> 00:14:21,937 Speaker 3: point there's nothing that we can extrapolate that would have 317 00:14:21,977 --> 00:14:27,097 Speaker 3: a broader application, right, So I don't understand the obsession. 318 00:14:27,137 --> 00:14:30,097 Speaker 3: I think it's tragic, it's horrible, but I feel like 319 00:14:30,097 --> 00:14:33,777 Speaker 3: there's so many other important stories, especial and conservative media, 320 00:14:33,857 --> 00:14:35,337 Speaker 3: like let's talk about the Save Act. 321 00:14:35,417 --> 00:14:37,137 Speaker 4: That is something that should be getting a wall to 322 00:14:37,217 --> 00:14:37,697 Speaker 4: wall coverage. 323 00:14:37,737 --> 00:14:40,417 Speaker 3: I just think it's it's a missed opportunity to cover 324 00:14:40,777 --> 00:14:43,337 Speaker 3: stories that ultimately will impact our lives. 325 00:14:43,137 --> 00:14:43,857 Speaker 4: So much more. 326 00:14:44,137 --> 00:14:46,697 Speaker 1: Well, I can tell you that the audience on radio 327 00:14:47,097 --> 00:14:49,537 Speaker 1: was the first day than the first days I should 328 00:14:49,537 --> 00:14:52,337 Speaker 1: say when the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping story hit, because we 329 00:14:52,377 --> 00:14:54,297 Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit again, just hey guys, 330 00:14:54,297 --> 00:14:56,137 Speaker 1: this happened, here's what we know, and then we moved 331 00:14:56,137 --> 00:14:58,497 Speaker 1: on to other things. Even with that, there are people 332 00:14:58,497 --> 00:15:01,537 Speaker 1: who were saying, you know, we just need to all 333 00:15:01,577 --> 00:15:04,217 Speaker 1: be clear about something. This is getting a lot more 334 00:15:04,217 --> 00:15:08,377 Speaker 1: attention because this woman is a news anchor's mother. Why 335 00:15:08,377 --> 00:15:11,337 Speaker 1: should that matter? Like why is the FBI director flying 336 00:15:11,417 --> 00:15:15,497 Speaker 1: down to address this? Why is this? And there is 337 00:15:15,537 --> 00:15:19,817 Speaker 1: something that's true that this is more of a thing 338 00:15:20,457 --> 00:15:21,657 Speaker 1: because they are terrible. 339 00:15:21,697 --> 00:15:22,337 Speaker 2: If you're looking for. 340 00:15:22,257 --> 00:15:24,657 Speaker 1: True crime stories, there's terrible stuff going on all the time. 341 00:15:24,737 --> 00:15:28,377 Speaker 1: It's honestly, like work siderably worse than this, But it's 342 00:15:28,417 --> 00:15:31,257 Speaker 1: not famous people, and so nobody, nobody pays any attention 343 00:15:31,337 --> 00:15:33,817 Speaker 1: to it. This is the mother of a known person, 344 00:15:34,297 --> 00:15:37,257 Speaker 1: and not only is it getting more news coverage, there 345 00:15:37,337 --> 00:15:42,777 Speaker 1: is a law enforcement seems particularly invested in this kidnapping, 346 00:15:43,457 --> 00:15:44,937 Speaker 1: which raises some issues. 347 00:15:46,937 --> 00:15:49,617 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I can imagine how devastating would be 348 00:15:49,697 --> 00:15:53,697 Speaker 3: right now if a loved one, you know, you were 349 00:15:53,697 --> 00:15:55,777 Speaker 3: connected to, with having something going on and you weren't 350 00:15:55,777 --> 00:15:57,937 Speaker 3: getting the resources you need. I do think there is 351 00:15:57,977 --> 00:16:00,937 Speaker 3: sort of a zero sum game when you're allocating all 352 00:16:00,977 --> 00:16:05,337 Speaker 3: of these resources to one incident, other incidents aren't getting coverage. 353 00:16:05,337 --> 00:16:06,777 Speaker 4: And I it. 354 00:16:06,817 --> 00:16:09,017 Speaker 3: Was interesting initially, and I think people this is to 355 00:16:09,057 --> 00:16:11,937 Speaker 3: your point earlier, people love conspiracy theories. 356 00:16:11,937 --> 00:16:12,737 Speaker 4: This is a mystery. 357 00:16:12,777 --> 00:16:15,017 Speaker 3: It's something you can talk about that you can have 358 00:16:15,177 --> 00:16:19,457 Speaker 3: theories and guests, and it's very intriguing in a way 359 00:16:19,457 --> 00:16:21,137 Speaker 3: that I think, as you mentioned too, like people love 360 00:16:21,137 --> 00:16:24,297 Speaker 3: true crime, like this is an intriguing story in a 361 00:16:24,297 --> 00:16:26,617 Speaker 3: lot of ways. And my guess is clearly it's it's 362 00:16:26,697 --> 00:16:30,537 Speaker 3: rating or yeah, of course to cover it. 363 00:16:30,737 --> 00:16:37,057 Speaker 1: But I've never seen so much news coverage of something. 364 00:16:36,897 --> 00:16:40,297 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's mother, right, It's not like it's yeah, a 365 00:16:40,337 --> 00:16:45,137 Speaker 3: sitting senator or the president or or someone like that. 366 00:16:45,217 --> 00:16:48,457 Speaker 3: And I mean maybe everyone has a deep, dark fear 367 00:16:48,457 --> 00:16:51,417 Speaker 3: of their mother being kidnapped and that's why it's resonating. 368 00:16:51,417 --> 00:16:54,777 Speaker 3: But I truly I don't understand the obsession. I think 369 00:16:54,777 --> 00:16:58,777 Speaker 3: there is an opportunity cost and covering this, we're missing 370 00:16:58,817 --> 00:17:00,017 Speaker 3: other really important stories. 371 00:17:00,057 --> 00:17:01,857 Speaker 1: Well, well, let me give you a couple of minutes 372 00:17:01,897 --> 00:17:03,457 Speaker 1: here because I feel like now I'm guilty of this 373 00:17:03,457 --> 00:17:04,137 Speaker 1: because I'm talking here. 374 00:17:04,137 --> 00:17:05,777 Speaker 2: We are talking about Nancy Guthrie Wiser. 375 00:17:06,017 --> 00:17:08,497 Speaker 1: But it does go to a broader it does go 376 00:17:08,577 --> 00:17:10,457 Speaker 1: to a broader thing about is the new use what 377 00:17:10,577 --> 00:17:12,217 Speaker 1: is important for people to know? Where is the news 378 00:17:12,257 --> 00:17:14,137 Speaker 1: what people want to click on and read about or 379 00:17:14,177 --> 00:17:17,817 Speaker 1: watch on TV. And that's a constant debate in our 380 00:17:17,817 --> 00:17:21,057 Speaker 1: society that's playing out all the time. But the Save Act, 381 00:17:21,257 --> 00:17:26,817 Speaker 1: it is important. Saith Lydia moynihan. Why I will take. 382 00:17:26,697 --> 00:17:30,497 Speaker 3: Every opportunity to talk about the Save Act. We've had 383 00:17:30,537 --> 00:17:33,977 Speaker 3: ten to twenty million people who've come here illegally over 384 00:17:34,177 --> 00:17:36,737 Speaker 3: the past five years, and in many states, in New 385 00:17:36,817 --> 00:17:40,097 Speaker 3: York State, it's basically the honor code to vote, and 386 00:17:40,177 --> 00:17:43,137 Speaker 3: so I believe that. And look, even if there's only 387 00:17:43,377 --> 00:17:46,217 Speaker 3: one hundred or one thousand votes from non citizens, that 388 00:17:46,377 --> 00:17:49,457 Speaker 3: is too many. And I think everyone talks about democrats 389 00:17:49,457 --> 00:17:51,137 Speaker 3: while talking points we need to save democracy, we need 390 00:17:51,217 --> 00:17:52,137 Speaker 3: to fight for democracy. 391 00:17:52,377 --> 00:17:55,657 Speaker 4: That's exactly what the Save Act does. Free and for. 392 00:17:55,657 --> 00:18:00,657 Speaker 3: Elections are the cornerstone of any society. This has so popular. 393 00:18:00,737 --> 00:18:03,257 Speaker 3: Most voters want the Save Act. They want people to 394 00:18:03,297 --> 00:18:06,497 Speaker 3: have proof of citizenship when they're voting. Most countries, even 395 00:18:06,497 --> 00:18:08,857 Speaker 3: in South America, where all these people are coming from, 396 00:18:09,057 --> 00:18:13,097 Speaker 3: most countries have proof of citizenship when you go to vote, 397 00:18:13,097 --> 00:18:15,977 Speaker 3: And so I think this is something we need to pass. 398 00:18:16,017 --> 00:18:18,977 Speaker 3: Republicans really only gotten one sort of flagship piece of legislation. 399 00:18:19,417 --> 00:18:21,617 Speaker 3: This is something they need to get done before the 400 00:18:21,657 --> 00:18:26,017 Speaker 3: midterms because given the influx of so many legal immigrants, 401 00:18:26,377 --> 00:18:28,177 Speaker 3: and I think there is going to be an inevitable 402 00:18:28,177 --> 00:18:31,377 Speaker 3: push for amnesty in the coming years. But right now, 403 00:18:31,417 --> 00:18:33,377 Speaker 3: we just need to focus on making sure that it's 404 00:18:33,457 --> 00:18:35,217 Speaker 3: only citizens who are voting. 405 00:18:35,617 --> 00:18:38,337 Speaker 4: This is something everyone wants. Republicans just need to get 406 00:18:38,377 --> 00:18:38,977 Speaker 4: it done. 407 00:18:39,297 --> 00:18:46,777 Speaker 1: It is fascinating that you have Democrats always and everywhere 408 00:18:47,457 --> 00:18:51,817 Speaker 1: oppose any voter security measure, Like it's the most consistent 409 00:18:51,857 --> 00:18:54,617 Speaker 1: thing I think about Democrats other than they want abortion 410 00:18:54,657 --> 00:18:56,337 Speaker 1: all the time, every time for all non I know. 411 00:18:56,297 --> 00:18:58,057 Speaker 2: That, Like, but it's right up there. 412 00:18:58,137 --> 00:19:04,217 Speaker 1: It is anything to do to make it more possible 413 00:19:04,257 --> 00:19:07,257 Speaker 1: that your election does not have any shenanigans, any security 414 00:19:07,257 --> 00:19:07,897 Speaker 1: measure whatsoever. 415 00:19:07,897 --> 00:19:10,577 Speaker 2: They oppose every single one right. 416 00:19:10,737 --> 00:19:12,377 Speaker 4: It's I mean, it's truly baffling. 417 00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:14,497 Speaker 3: And then once you try and say this is what 418 00:19:14,537 --> 00:19:17,057 Speaker 3: most people want, this is what everyone else has, then 419 00:19:17,137 --> 00:19:20,537 Speaker 3: they just immediately say that you're racist and sexist and 420 00:19:20,617 --> 00:19:23,337 Speaker 3: you don't want disenfranchised voters to vote. 421 00:19:23,377 --> 00:19:25,977 Speaker 4: I was actually on with Kevin O'Leary last night. 422 00:19:26,017 --> 00:19:28,137 Speaker 3: We were talking about this, and he said, and I'm 423 00:19:28,137 --> 00:19:29,337 Speaker 3: going to I'm going to hold his speed to the 424 00:19:29,337 --> 00:19:32,217 Speaker 3: buyer because one of the criticisms is that, oh, people 425 00:19:32,257 --> 00:19:35,217 Speaker 3: can't possibly afford an ID or a passport. 426 00:19:35,297 --> 00:19:36,337 Speaker 4: It's just too expensive. 427 00:19:36,657 --> 00:19:38,897 Speaker 3: He said, Okay, great, I'm going to pay for everyone 428 00:19:39,217 --> 00:19:41,657 Speaker 3: to get a passport or an ID, and I'm going 429 00:19:41,737 --> 00:19:44,377 Speaker 3: to hold him to that because you can debunk pretty 430 00:19:44,417 --> 00:19:48,537 Speaker 3: much every argument they make against this. And I think 431 00:19:48,897 --> 00:19:51,617 Speaker 3: I've also just been thinking about the hoops that we 432 00:19:51,697 --> 00:19:54,457 Speaker 3: had to jump through during COVID, especially in New York. 433 00:19:54,937 --> 00:19:57,137 Speaker 3: I had to go wait in line for hours. I 434 00:19:57,137 --> 00:19:59,657 Speaker 3: had to fight to get an appointment. I had to 435 00:19:59,657 --> 00:20:03,257 Speaker 3: get not one, but two jabs of a vaccine that 436 00:20:03,297 --> 00:20:06,377 Speaker 3: was completely untested. I had to carry a card around 437 00:20:06,417 --> 00:20:09,497 Speaker 3: with multiple stickers. Anytime I wanted to see the doctor, 438 00:20:09,617 --> 00:20:11,897 Speaker 3: I had to show them that physical car. I mean, 439 00:20:11,897 --> 00:20:15,537 Speaker 3: it was outrageous, and Republicans say, oh, let's let's make 440 00:20:15,577 --> 00:20:18,897 Speaker 3: sure that there's ID, and Democrats now suddenly are all 441 00:20:18,977 --> 00:20:22,817 Speaker 3: up in arms like, oh, it's too onerous. Disenfranchised voters 442 00:20:22,817 --> 00:20:24,577 Speaker 3: aren't going to be able to figure out how to 443 00:20:24,617 --> 00:20:27,937 Speaker 3: get an ID, and like this sounds offensive. But if 444 00:20:28,257 --> 00:20:32,137 Speaker 3: you cannot figure out how to get an ID, how 445 00:20:32,137 --> 00:20:34,137 Speaker 3: were you possibly going to stay on top of the 446 00:20:34,217 --> 00:20:38,857 Speaker 3: issues and be informed enough to have a stand. 447 00:20:38,897 --> 00:20:40,297 Speaker 1: If you can't figure out how to get an ID 448 00:20:40,657 --> 00:20:43,017 Speaker 1: the bare minimum, I don't want you to vote, actually, 449 00:20:43,377 --> 00:20:46,017 Speaker 1: so I don't. By the way, whatever, if you're too 450 00:20:46,097 --> 00:20:47,857 Speaker 1: dumb to figure out how to get an ID in America, 451 00:20:47,897 --> 00:20:50,337 Speaker 1: where they make it free in most places and very easy, 452 00:20:50,577 --> 00:20:52,817 Speaker 1: you know what, leave it to the adults. 453 00:20:52,817 --> 00:20:53,257 Speaker 4: That's funny. 454 00:20:53,857 --> 00:20:54,817 Speaker 2: That's where I'm going to leave that. 455 00:20:55,097 --> 00:20:57,497 Speaker 1: Lydia moynihan, New York Post look for her on CNN 456 00:20:57,577 --> 00:20:59,857 Speaker 1: schooling Kevin O'Leary and others, or actually, you and Kevin 457 00:20:59,897 --> 00:21:00,577 Speaker 1: on the same side. 458 00:21:00,577 --> 00:21:03,537 Speaker 2: But give mister wonderful mya. He has no idea who 459 00:21:03,537 --> 00:21:03,777 Speaker 2: I am. 460 00:21:04,177 --> 00:21:06,857 Speaker 1: Actually that's not true. Well, he wouldn't he wouldn't know 461 00:21:06,977 --> 00:21:08,897 Speaker 1: if he saw me, he would know. I saw him 462 00:21:08,897 --> 00:21:10,377 Speaker 1: on the street of Miami like a year year ago, 463 00:21:10,497 --> 00:21:12,217 Speaker 1: and he like took a second. I'm like, it's cool, 464 00:21:12,337 --> 00:21:15,337 Speaker 1: you've only been on my show like four times. But 465 00:21:15,337 --> 00:21:18,857 Speaker 1: but that's fine, mister Wonderful, Like you know, he's like, oh. 466 00:21:19,377 --> 00:21:21,857 Speaker 2: I think. Yeah. I was like I think. I like, 467 00:21:21,897 --> 00:21:23,337 Speaker 2: I don't remember. I'm like, all right, I don't worry 468 00:21:23,337 --> 00:21:23,657 Speaker 2: about it. 469 00:21:23,657 --> 00:21:25,937 Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe I've like gotten a ten because 470 00:21:25,937 --> 00:21:29,377 Speaker 1: I'm in Miami. Lydia Moynahan, the Great and the Great 471 00:21:29,417 --> 00:21:30,817 Speaker 1: and Powerful, Thank you so much. 472 00:21:31,657 --> 00:21:33,497 Speaker 4: Such a pleasure. Congratulations on the book. 473 00:21:33,857 --> 00:21:34,217 Speaker 2: Thank you,