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Speaker 1: guy's been around the ACC Durham for decades and say,

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Speaker 1: I think he's one of the best freshmen I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: He said he was the best ACC freshman he'd ever

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Speaker 1: seen non center. And I was watching him, like, this

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Speaker 1: guy's fucking incredible, and he's like, listen, people are gonna

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Speaker 1: think I'm nuts, but he can he throw out I

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Speaker 1: think he's like Larry Bird. And you're watching him and

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Speaker 1: you go, it's gonna be impossible for this guy not

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Speaker 1: to be a good NBA player, Like it's absol. The

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Speaker 1: only way he could not be a good NBA player

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Speaker 1: if he gets injured, Like the only way Zion was

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Speaker 1: gonna fail is the way he's failed. He gets injured

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Speaker 1: and he gets fat and lazy, right, but it's not

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Speaker 1: his talent his ability. If he's healthy and just in shape,

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Speaker 1: he scores twenty five to thirty points, no problem. And

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Speaker 1: like you watch Zion in college, it was like this,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be impossible for him to fail in football.

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Speaker 1: That does not happen, right, because if it did, Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence would be a top ten quarterback. There are so

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Speaker 1: many other variables that you know, the one just the

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Speaker 1: level of competition you have in college, to who's going

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Speaker 1: to be your coach, who's going to be the play caller,

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Speaker 1: what's your organization, who's your roster. It's why when I

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Speaker 1: saw the headline that seven of the eight of these

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are first rounders, and obviously Goff and Stafford are

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Speaker 1: number one overall picks, Jaden and cj Or number two

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Speaker 1: overall picks. Mahomes was ten, Josh Allen was seven. Lamar

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Speaker 1: had this like crazy drop and he still was a

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Speaker 1: first rounder. To me, Jalen was the craziest draft pick

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Speaker 1: of them all because I thought when Howie did, I

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Speaker 1: thought it was insane. To me, Jalen was like a

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Speaker 1: fifth round pick. Honestly, I thought he was a running

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Speaker 1: back coming out of college. But good move by Howie

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Speaker 1: saved the franchise. They were able to get rid of

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Speaker 1: of Carson Wentz because of it. But I think it

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Speaker 1: shows you and this is why the pressure whenever I say,

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Speaker 1: you know, quarterback inflation's gonna end, No, it's not. It's

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Speaker 1: really not, because no one knows. You have absolutely no clue.

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Speaker 1: It's so easy. Like Patrick Mahomes, it felt like two

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Speaker 1: teams really liked him when he was coming out of college.

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Sean Payton, half the Leak thought he was

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Speaker 1: like the most overrated prospect of all time. Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: thought Jade and Daniels, I'm like, I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: and you watch them, You're like, this guy's incredible. And

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Speaker 1: I think universally around the league, if you did a

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Speaker 1: redraft most there's no way you could take Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: over Jayden Daniels. Doesn't mean he's gonna be better forever.

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Speaker 1: But Bryce Young incredible comeback story. No one would take

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Speaker 1: him over c J. S Roy. So the power of

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, it changes your franchise. A coach and a

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Speaker 1: quarterback change your franchise. But when it comes to Shador,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to cam Ward, when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the next crop of quarterbacks over the next several years

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Speaker 1: we have I have absolutely no clue none. I mean

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Speaker 1: I always thought not he's way worse than I thought

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Speaker 1: he'd be. But I did think Trevor Lawrence like being

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Speaker 1: compared to Andrew Luck. I remember thinking that was pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: But I remember two of my close buddies in the

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Speaker 1: NFL to do that area like, couldn't have loved him anymore.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, yeah, I just I'll come along with it. Awesome,

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Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be. This guy's gonna be an elite player.

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Speaker 1: And you watch him, You're like, I don't know, man.

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Speaker 1: Hell even Doug Peterson last year at the Combine, I

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Speaker 1: remember bullshit with him and Doug loved him. Looks like,

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Speaker 1: this guy's a player. Man, Listen, say what you want

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Speaker 1: about Doug the coach. Doug played quarterback in the league

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Speaker 1: for over a decade, was around Dan fucking Marino and

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Speaker 1: Brett Farf, Like that's who he backed up, Dan Marino,

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Speaker 1: Brett Farf. So I would say Doug Peterson has a

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Speaker 1: pretty good idea and he took Nick Foles, who outdueled

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady in a Super Bowl. Pretty good idea. What

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Speaker 1: quarterback play looks like? You could be fooled at any moment.

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Speaker 1: At any moment. We're in basketball, it's like, no Cooper flag.

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Speaker 1: As long as he doesn't eat himself out of the

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Speaker 1: NBA or tear some knee up, is going to be

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Speaker 1: an All Star. That is a one hundred percent lock

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Speaker 1: where if you tell me right now, cam Ward goes

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Speaker 1: number one overall. I could be like, he could make

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Speaker 1: four Pro Bowls or he could not get his fifth

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Speaker 1: year option picked up and be out of the league

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Speaker 1: in five years. We just saw Zach Wilson, who Chris

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Speaker 1: Sims and a bunch of people are like, he's got

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Speaker 1: an Aaron Rodgers level skill set. Joe Douglas, who was

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Speaker 1: making six million dollars a year to be a GM

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Speaker 1: who had won multiple Super Bowls with the Ravens and

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, been to Super Bowls and won them as

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Speaker 1: an executive picked them number two overall. I mean he's

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Speaker 1: going to be He'll be on his I don't know,

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Speaker 1: third team and five years next year, assuming the Broncos

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Speaker 1: don't bring him back as the backup where he was

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Speaker 1: not the backup this year. Thirder. I just think it's

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Speaker 1: fascinating and it's never gonna change. It is by far

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Speaker 1: the hardest position to scout, even some of the other positions.

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Speaker 1: Like I think Austin Genty should be a several time

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Speaker 1: Pro bowler. Would it shock me if he's actually kind

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Speaker 1: of overrated? Yeah, potentially, I mean wouldn't. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: floored if you tell me, you know what, gent's just

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Speaker 1: okay in the NFL, because I could see the argument

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Speaker 1: three years in it's like, well, you know, he played

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Speaker 1: in the Mountain West. It just doesn't quite translate. You know,

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Speaker 1: the SEC schedule was a little different. The guy from

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Speaker 1: Iowa turned out to be way better. No one has

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Speaker 1: any clue. No one does. Like Abdul Carter, I would say,

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time seeing that guy not be good.

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Speaker 1: But like, what if he's got shoulder proms? What if

533
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Speaker 1: it just never works? I don't know. And that's the

534
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Speaker 1: hard part of football is, like injuries are such a

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Speaker 1: big part of it. It's just fascinating, man, And I

536
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Speaker 1: love the draft and I love talking about this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But every years, like these guys can't miss like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think Tyler Warren, this guy's awesome tight end prospect.

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Speaker 1: How fast is he? Is he gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: get open on people NonStop? Or is it not gonna

541
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Speaker 1: matter because he's six foot six? Can you just play

542
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: basketball literally over every dB in linebacker's head? Maybe or

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Speaker 1: maybe that speed. I don't know, And I like all

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Speaker 1: these guys. I'm listening off, but I've liked a lot

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Speaker 1: of players, Like a lot of people watch them in

546
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Speaker 1: college and they get to the NFL. It's like, yeah,

547
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Speaker 1: guy kind of sucks, and this guy no one thought

548
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: was gonna be good ends up becoming like makes a

549
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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in the NFL. No one's talking about

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Speaker 1: Pooka Nakula, and now you watch Pooka Nakoula, You're like,

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Speaker 1: he's one of the best players in the NFL. That's

552
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Speaker 1: how fast it happens. Jared Verse. Everyone last year it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, he's just a power guy from Albany.

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00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Now it's like, shit, Jared Verse, how good? How high

555
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Speaker 1: is this guy ceiling? This guy have a chance to

556
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Speaker 1: be like a Hall of Famer. That's how fast it changes.

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Speaker 1: Here's the game plan, little Middlecoff mail bag at John Middlecoff,

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Speaker 1: At John Middlecoff, that'd be my name. Two f's firing

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Speaker 1: those dms. It's just my Instagram account. Fire in my

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Speaker 1: Instagram account and get your question answered. Here on the show,

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Speaker 1: we will start with santy question for the bag. As

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Speaker 1: a Bears fan, I was hoping that we'd hire Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 1: I think the fact that Brady is calling the Lions

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Speaker 1: game is a much bigger story that it's being made

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Speaker 1: out to be. Is it an overreaction or do you,

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Speaker 1: as I do, look at Brady's history of being willing

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Speaker 1: to do anything to win as a big red flag.

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Speaker 1: I think he means a red flag for the Bears.

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Speaker 1: Getting Ben Johnson, Well, this is a massive story. Mike

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Speaker 1: Florio has been righting about this left and right, and

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Speaker 1: I think, big picture, this has got to be something

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Speaker 1: that if you're an NFL team like this Brady conflict

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Speaker 1: of interest, if they end up landing Ben Johnson, he

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Speaker 1: is gonna become a bigger and bigger story. And it's

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Speaker 1: why I think all signs I don't know what year

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Speaker 1: it happens. I mean, by all accounts, it's not gonna happen, right,

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Speaker 1: now but lead to the inevitability of Tom Brady becoming

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Speaker 1: the version of John Elway was at Denver and then

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Speaker 1: just continuing to purchase Vegas stock as Mark Davis ages

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Speaker 1: and just becomes like, I don't know the Jerry Jones

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Speaker 1: of the Raiders. But you know there was a report

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Speaker 1: by Vic Tafer, who I've known forever, who covers the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: that said, you know this started I think it was

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Speaker 1: week eight or nine Brady called one of the Lions

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Speaker 1: games and that's when he first met him, and that

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Speaker 1: they talked and ironically about this matchup is you know,

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Speaker 1: one advantage the Raiders have they don't have a GM.

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Speaker 1: You guys have a GM who's not getting fired, right,

589
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: and all these other teams have gms that have coaching openings.

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Speaker 1: I guess the Jets don't, but he doesn't want the

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Speaker 1: get job. Well. The assistant GM to Adam Peters of Washington,

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Speaker 1: who is playing the Lions. He is a guy that

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Speaker 1: spent like two decades with the Lions, and I guess

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Speaker 1: is close with Ben Johnson. I forget the guy's name,

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Speaker 1: but he's Adam peters right hand guy with the Commanders.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, is Brady talking to him too, And

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Speaker 1: this is the thing where it gets weird, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I think if Ben Johnson ultimately goes to the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: which I wouldn't have told you would have been a

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Speaker 1: possibility four or five days ago. But reading the report

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Speaker 1: today from Tafer on the Athletic on the Raiders, how

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Speaker 1: this is going to gain steam and Tom Brady is

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Speaker 1: going to be the guy that closes the deal and

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Speaker 1: their big advantages. He can bring a GM that's a

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Speaker 1: buddy of his and they can just kind of do

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Speaker 1: it from scratch, and that's not the case with the Bears.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is one thing that hinders the Bears.

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Speaker 1: I would say, sitting here Wednesday, January fifteenth, I think

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is a very very realistic higher for you guys.

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Speaker 1: I'd say Mike McCarthy Aaron Glenn. I would say the

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Speaker 1: difference of like Mike McCarthy and Aaron Glenn. I think

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Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn's really impressive. If I'm the Bears, I would

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Speaker 1: want someone with someone experience like I would want someone

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Speaker 1: who's been a head coach before. I think the Jets

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00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: kind of want that too, though, I mean, can they

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Speaker 1: do better than Aaron Glenn. I guess they could hire

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, but he's already been the coach there years ago,

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Speaker 1: so I think that's a big, big factor. Right If

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson ends up with the Raiders, man be a

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Speaker 1: nice little coop from Mark Davis. Big fan for the

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Speaker 1: next mailback. This from Brian, longtime Giants fan. Since the

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning days, many would say the good old days,

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Speaker 1: it's been tough. Does Brian Daboll survive another season if

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Speaker 1: we draft Travis Hunter and convert him to wide receiver

625
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Speaker 1: to pair with Neighbors and go three and fourteen and

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Speaker 1: try to trade up for Arch, Yeah, I don't. I

627
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Speaker 1: think these guys need to win. And John Marri's press

628
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: conference it looked like in the bubble, I don't even

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Speaker 1: know if it was a press conference, but he obviously

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Speaker 1: shot the shit with some of the reporters a couple

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Speaker 1: of days after it was reported. Maybe it was the

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Speaker 1: day after that those guys were returning and said like,

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Speaker 1: he's trying to have patience, but he's running out. I

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Speaker 1: think there was a ton of ton of pressure on

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Speaker 1: the Giants, and I just don't know what they do

636
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Speaker 1: at quarterback honestly help finding a mentor. Been a big fan,

637
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Speaker 1: best analyst in the game. I like this guy. I'm

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Speaker 1: currently working for something in Tennessee and love it, but

639
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: media and podcasts is the dream. One of my goals

640
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: in this new year is to find a mentor to

641
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: help and or provide wisdom. You're definitely at the top

642
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: of the list, but with the business and all, I'm

643
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: sure you're way too busy. So I wanted to ask

644
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: if you know anyone else in the industry that maybe

645
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: open to helping out a kid with passion. I would

646
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: just give you some big picture advice. I think you know.

647
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: I think when you're young and hungry and you have dreams,

648
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: it is hard and specific industries like it. If you

649
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be a head coach in college football, like

650
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: it'd be very easy to just find people on that

651
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: specific path, Like go meet some coaches and ask them

652
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 1: like how they did it and what path you should take,

653
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: because it hasn't really changed. But I would say, like

654
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: a mentor and advice in like this profession, there is

655
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: not a direct path, and you could talk to fifteen

656
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: different people and they'd all give you a different route.

657
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 1: I think the key is just the faster you get involved.

658
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: If you want to work in the industry, get your

659
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: foot in the door and then just figure it out

660
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: from there. Obviously, once your foot's in the door and

661
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: once you kind of figure out what you like, that

662
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: is a way to attack. But like I think a generality,

663
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: like I want to get in the podcast business, like

664
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: do you want to host a podcast? Do you want

665
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: to run a podcast company? Do you want to produce

666
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: a podcast? Do you like what do you specifically want

667
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: to do? And you might not even know until you

668
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: start doing it and kind of figure it out. So

669
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: we had a saying at the Harvard of the West,

670
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't even I feel like that's not even the

671
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: right thing to say anymore. Let's say, Michigan of the

672
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: West cal Poly we learned by doing, And I think

673
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: that's the quickest way of a fluid business like this

674
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: media slash podcasting is. There's so like it could be

675
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: dramatically different. Three years we're coaching in football. I'm just

676
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: using that as an example, like there's gonna be a

677
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: head coach, there's gonna be like, it's not gonna change.

678
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: I got no clue where this is headed. And I

679
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: will just adapt and change on the fly. So like,

680
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: there's no human being I could go to for advice

681
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: right now in what I'm doing Beside, like I guess

682
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: people that run big podcasts, but even they'd be the

683
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: first to tell you, like, I bet you get Joe

684
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: Rogan on the horn, like what do you think podcasts

685
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: are gonna look like in five years? I don't think

686
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: he'd know the answer. He might have some ideas, but

687
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: so I think the fastest thing you need to try

688
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: to do, you know, is either if you want a

689
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: host to start doing some stuff, if you want to produce,

690
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: like start reaching out to people and just try to

691
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: get your foot in the door. But I think that's

692
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: a huge key is just you got to start messing

693
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: around and figure out what you like. Big fan from Australia,

694
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: I love listening you talking about football. As a Chargers fan,

695
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: It's infuriating listening to people in the media talk about Herbert.

696
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: The stuff that gets said exposes people that don't see

697
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: Herbert elevate guys like Quinn Johnson and Will Disley every week,

698
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: only for them to completely shit the bed in the

699
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: biggest spot. The one that pissed me off was listening

700
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: to Nick Wright this week say Herbert was bad in

701
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: the Raiders Week eighteen game in twenty twenty one, when

702
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: in reality he was automatic for the whole second half

703
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: and had to overcome that genius Brandon Staley. I wonder

704
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: how many of these people on TV actually watch all

705
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: the games or they are just spewing garbage when it

706
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: comes to small teams like the Chargers. I can't speak

707
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: to who's watching and who's not watching. I can't speak

708
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: to when you have an opinion in this business, you

709
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: want to be right and when you lean a certain

710
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: way in terms of I think this guy's a good player.

711
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: I think this guy's a good bad player. When you

712
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: get moments that validate your take, you're going to double

713
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: down on it. And if you say that, if you're

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00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: one of those people, and a lot of people have

715
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: done this, that justin Herbert's really overrated. That when that

716
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: moment happens in the playoff game, that is a fucking

717
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: party for your take. I mean that that is, you know,

718
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: like when they ring the bell at the New York

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00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: Stock Exchange, or that that first makeout you have with

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Speaker 1: a girlfriend. I mean that that is that is doesn't

721
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: get any better than that. Honestly, makeouts understated. A moment

722
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: like that, if you're justin Herbert is like incredible sex.

723
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean that that is food to the soul. Baby.

724
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: So you get to come on podcast, host, TV whatever

725
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: you do and just annihilate him and say, see, I

726
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: told you this guy sucks. He's got the physical gifts.

727
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: He throws some touchdowns in games in October and November,

728
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: but he's got two playoff games and he shipped the

729
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: bed in the second half three years ago. Yeah, he

730
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: had one of the worst head coaches we've ever seen,

731
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: you know, like a more articulate Jim Tomsula. And then

732
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: through four touchdown or four interceptions or five interceptions or whatever,

733
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: the total turnout to be picked six and could have

734
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: been multiple pick sixes. Honestly, it was kind of shocked

735
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: Stingley got tackled on the one felt like he was

736
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to say he was lollygagging, but I

737
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: think he thought he could make it. And then who

738
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: was it? That was it? JK. Dobbins. Someone caught him.

739
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: At one moment, I was gonna score. But that's the

740
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: way the business works, you know, I personally don't care.

741
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: Like if I thought, like I think Herbert's good, I'm

742
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: not going to change because he has one game. I

743
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: think brock Perty is a good player. But I also

744
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: have reservations of how much I gotta pay the guy.

745
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people you know that are

746
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: in this business understand the game. I mean, it's part

747
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: of the gig. But I'm with you, Like I remember

748
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: watching that game against the Raiders where the Raiders won.

749
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: It's like, I thought Herbert was pretty good in that game.

750
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: I remember them being some big drops. That was a moment.

751
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: It's like, this guy's fucking awesome again. Also, who are

752
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: we comparing him to? Like, is he Patrick Mahomes? Of

753
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: course not. Would you take him over Lamar Jackson or

754
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: Josh Allen? No, he's good. I got a question. Should

755
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: the Steelers really consider signing Sam Darnold or at least

756
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: taking a flyer on JJ McCarthy They literally never make

757
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: it to a top ten draft pick. In second part,

758
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: should the forty nine Ers consider drafting Ashton genty to

759
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: be behind CMC and have a deadly duo like the

760
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. Everybody was confused with the Lions when they

761
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: drafted Gibbs and now he's easily a top five back.

762
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: Beside Najie Harris, every running back that was drafted in

763
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: the first round these past five years has been awful.

764
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: I don't think JJ McCarthy's gonna be available. I think

765
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: there's probably a fifty to fifty chance that they just

766
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: let Sam Donald walk. Who knows might be highering that

767
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: after those two games. I think the Steelers would be

768
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: high on drugs if they didn't entertain signing Sam Donald.

769
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: Sam Donald just threw thirty five touchdowns and like, made

770
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: some huge plays in games. Right now, he struggled down

771
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: the stretch, So I think that limits how much you

772
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: could get get him for. But can you get him

773
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: for like Gino Smith money? Can you get him for

774
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield money? I think you would have to entertain

775
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: it now. I also think you should. You know, you

776
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: should definitely question it and have long conversations about it.

777
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: But what are your options? That's my question with the Steelers.

778
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: What are their options? They're not resigning Russell Wilson, no chance.

779
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: They clearly don't like Justin Fields as a thrower. They're

780
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: not drafting very high in this quarterback class. Does not

781
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: look great. You can't sign Kirk Cousins. He can't move

782
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: and playing him in the cold does not seem like

783
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: a good idea. Aaron Rodgers, but what's that? I mean

784
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: the ultimate band aid? That could be a disaster. Their

785
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: options are pretty limited, and I would say on the

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00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: forty nine ers one hundred percent they cannot draft Ashton

787
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: genty one. Kyle Shanahan gets running backs injured. By the

788
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: time week eighteen, they were on like their seventh running

789
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: back of the season, Mason Hurt, Isaac Garnde hurt, McCaffrey hurt.

790
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: Now was that Kyle's fault? Maybe not directly, but indirectly.

791
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan wouldn't take him out of games last year?

792
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: Every running back Kyle Shanahan has ever had, they always

793
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: get injured. Always he runs him into the ground. So

794
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: I would draft the offensive or defensive lineman high, and

795
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: with my second round pick, I would draft an offensive

796
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. My first two picks eleven and pick forty three,

797
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,479
Speaker 1: I'm taking an A lineman. I'm taking a D lineman,

798
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: or I'm taking a D lineman. Then I'm taking an

799
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: old lineman. I'm not taking a running back. Forty nine

800
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: Ers should not take a running back. Honestly, the only

801
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: skilled position I would take would be a tied end

802
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,720
Speaker 1: and Tyler Warren that'd be the only one I would entertain.

803
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 1: I completely agreed with your analysis on the pedestrian drunk

804
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: Madden play calling from the Vikings didn't help Darnold out

805
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: at all. My question what forty nine ers free agents

806
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: outside of Purty and green Law are the most important

807
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: for them to bring back. Well, it's funny we talk

808
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: about brock Perty's contract. He is not a free agent.

809
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: Brock Perdy has another year under contract and obviously at

810
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: his position, if worst case, he would get franchised, So

811
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: there is zero free agency in sight for Brock Purty.

812
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: Drake Greenlaw is complicated because he tore his achilles and

813
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: he tried to come back and back to back games

814
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: he got injured. So I would bring him back, but

815
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: it's a shitty part of it out the NFL. Sometimes

816
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: your body goes and it just never comes back. Tyler

817
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: Noah Hufunga the USC kind of hybrid linebacker safety. He

818
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: plays safety for the Niners, but I think coming out

819
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: people thought he was a linebacker's wife fell he's it's

820
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: those three guys, but again it's not three because Perty's

821
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: not a free agent. I'm not sure where all the

822
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: doom and glooms surrounding Jordan Love has come from. I

823
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: get it he was atrocious against the Eagles, but Farvin

824
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: Rodgers both had some terrible playoff games. Is it fair

825
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: to say some Packer fans need to pump the breaks

826
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: on the hate. Despite the injuries and the quote quote

827
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: unquote bad play, Love still had the fifth highest QBR

828
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: in the league two years in a row, making the

829
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: playoffs with the youngest team in the NFL. Not sure

830
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: how many Packer why Packer fans have turned on the guy. Well,

831
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: I mean far urned equity really really fast. It was clear,

832
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: it was awesome. You guys went to the super Bowl,

833
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: won it. He was winning MVPs. I think Aaron Rodgers

834
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: proved really fast. He was awesome. I mean the moment

835
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: he kind of begins starting, he was kind of good,

836
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: and then really quick won a super Bowl. I think

837
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: people were so high on him and everyone gave him

838
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: the benefit of doubt, and then when he got injured

839
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: and it was just all over the map. But I

840
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: hear you to me, the number one key for Jordan

841
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: Love in twenty twenty five, it's just be healthy. Like

842
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: look at Jared Goff, which is healthy all season, played well.

843
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold healthy all season, played well. You know, when

844
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: you get banged up, it can kind of derail you.

845
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: And he got injured Week one, and honestly, it just

846
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: the whole season got off kilter. I think anytime you

847
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: lose in the playoffs and expectations were high, people get emotional.

848
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 1: Sports gets the Packers. I get it. It doesn't necessarily

849
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: matter because he's not like he's going anywhere from Jeff,

850
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: thank you for rocking with us through the flu. That

851
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: shit is hard. I hear a lot of people that

852
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: are just sick right now. Whatever the thing is going around.

853
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: The Josh Allen Herbert conversation has me thinking, who are

854
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: the best? I had the ten quarterback arms, you've seen

855
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: prime high end power. Forget the picks for me, based

856
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: off what I've seen in my twenty years of watching

857
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: the league, I'd go Mahomes, Allen, Farv Rogers, Vic Stafford, Marino, Herbert,

858
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: Jamis Luck. I would say Josh I would take I

859
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: would put Josh Allen above Mahomes. I would tend to

860
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: put Farv one. Anyone that played against Marino had him

861
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: really really high. I think Marino in l way had

862
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: special arm talent. I think far Of is kind of

863
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: viewed as like the Nolan Ryan of throwers. I think

864
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: Rogers had a pretty special arm. I mean, I think

865
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: Rogers could really really sling it. I think Mike Vick

866
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: had a strong arm. He had an incredible deep ball,

867
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: and the power in which he could throw the ball

868
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: sixty seventy yards was pretty unreal. So I would say

869
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: last twenty years, Farv Rogers, mahomes Alan, I'm not going

870
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: to any specific order. You know, Vic was pretty special.

871
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: Stafford's a pretty good one. Mahomes Herbert. I wouldn't put

872
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: Luck or Jamis on their level. Kaepernick, he hurt his

873
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: thumb and his arm was never quite the same after

874
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: a couple of years. But he didn't know where it

875
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: was going and he didn't have any touch. But his fastball.

876
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: He made a throw one time in Tampa Bay where

877
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: he threw it like sixty yards on the run to

878
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: Vernon Davis like scrambling. It's like one of the best

879
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: passes I've ever seen. Kaepernick underrated, absolute fucking hose watching

880
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: since you started, and I'm fine with waiting a year

881
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: on Brock Purty makes no sense to pay him early.

882
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: But why does the media and you included want to

883
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: lick the sweat off Kyle Shanahan's balls. His passing game sucks,

884
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: his O line is horrible, he has no depth because

885
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: he wanted Trey Lance this year. He takes a kicker

886
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: in the third round who sucks, but yeah, all Perty's fault.

887
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm not Kyle Shanahan in an awful year, no

888
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: disputing it, and his passing game has to change. Starts

889
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: with his offensive lineman. He doesn't care about offensive lineman

890
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: because he thinks they don't matter in the passing game

891
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: because he wants to avoid it by running the ball. Ok,

892
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: We've talked about this over and over. But like Purty,

893
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: success is also tied to Kyle. So like when Perty's good,

894
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: Kyle's good, and most people think that if Perty left Kyle,

895
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be nearly as good and people wouldn't want him.

896
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: So it's like they're kind of directly correlated. But I've

897
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: also seen Kyle win a bunch of games with Jimmy

898
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: Garoppolo turns out as the average as the day is long.

899
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: On his good day question on Kellen Moore, A few

900
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: reporters seem to have him pegged as the future head coach.

901
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: Everything I've seen, he seems to run the most average

902
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: offenses wherever he goes. Cowboys weren't great with him, Chargers

903
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: were terrible, and Philly has decided to ignore the receiving room.

904
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: As good as Barkley is seems to be overworked. Well,

905
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: I think that's more of a reflection if you want

906
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: to crush him on the Herbert situation, Herbert in the

907
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: offense was not good. I don't see Aj Brown blaming

908
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. I see AJ Brown reading that novel. So

909
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't throw a football at Jalen's face, like Jalen's

910
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: not an easy guy to coach. He's just not why

911
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: because he's not a great pocket passer, so your passing

912
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: game it's difficult to run. They have a great offensive

913
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: line and elite running back and a running quarterback, So

914
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: I think he's done a good job in Philly. Quarterback

915
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: is not easy to deal with. The Cowboy thing. They

916
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: got better with Mike and the Charger thing, but I

917
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: to me, Philly, he's done a good job. I think

918
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: a huge thing with Kellen is like Jerry likes him.

919
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: Jerry thought he was his guy, and I think if

920
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: you were a betting man, the safest pick would be

921
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, the next head coach of the Cowboys. Have

922
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: a mailbag question for you. I keep hearing the media

923
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: talk about Fields and Russ in the same context, like

924
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: the Steelers don't have a viable quarterback, but why not

925
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: run it back with Fields next year? He watched Russ

926
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: manage the offense for the majority of the year, and

927
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: he obviously has way more potential in upside if he improves.

928
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: I don't see any point in thinking they will draft

929
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: a quarterback in this year's draft. It feels as bad great.

930
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: They will have a better shot at drafting the guy

931
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: next year, but if he's good, they can save time

932
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: instead of messing around, can't I hear you? They had

933
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: him all season long and down the stretch of their season.

934
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: Their offense was a disaster, and Russell for the most

935
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: part beside. I feel like the last month of the season,

936
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: probably less than twenty passes was not good. Why would

937
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: they have not if they thought this guy could play

938
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: put him in the game. They don't think he's good.

939
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: Like I don't care. I'm with you. I would have

940
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: liked to see him as like Russell was not giving

941
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: them any juice to put Justin in. They refused, Mike refused,

942
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: and Mike's the guy. Remember when he made Russell Wilson

943
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: the starter. People thought he was kind of crazy. I

944
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: thought he was crazy. So Mike Tomlin does not think

945
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: Fields is that good. I think that's pretty clear. Whether

946
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: he's right or not. I would say it's hard to

947
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: say he's wrong. As a Patriots fan, I've grown up

948
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of success with Tom and Bill. Yes

949
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 1: you have. However, the last two years obviously sucked. My

950
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: friends say the Patriots are a poorly run franchise, while

951
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: you have teams like the Jets, Bears, and Raiders who

952
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: are complete circuses and have been for essentially my whole life.

953
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: My question to you how well run are the Patriots

954
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: in general compared to the rest of the NFL. I

955
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: saw Dan Campbell at a good quote he said, the

956
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: circus is about to start, and it's our time to perform.

957
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: I would say we are gonna find out because for

958
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: twenty years you had a head coach who did everything.

959
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: He was the general manager. He basically ran your salary cap.

960
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: He just handled it all. And I don't think we'll

961
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: ever see another coach like Bill who is that involved

962
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: with everything. He essentially operates like these college coaches do.

963
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: And you saw this year clearly everything fell apart. Gerrod

964
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: was over his head. But I think the Patriots weren't

965
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: as equipped to handle like Bill could do it all, right.

966
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: He could help out any coach, He could help out

967
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: any position. He was the personnel director in the sense

968
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: of like there was no player on the team or

969
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: cut from the team or traded to the team, or

970
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: signed to the team or drafted the team that wasn't

971
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: under his watch. And I think once you start splitting

972
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: those things up, it's like, then Jonathan Kraft tries to

973
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: get involved. Now you get a real coach, We'll see.

974
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, because like, what did Robert Kraft really do?

975
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: He gets credit for hiring Bill, but then he hired

976
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 1: a guy who could do everything, and then they drafted

977
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time. So basically Tom and

978
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: Bill could handle it all. I guess it's a long

979
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,959
Speaker 1: winded way of saying I don't really know, I would

980
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: assume that you guys are going to be well run

981
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: moving forward. But what if your owners are just kookie

982
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: and Bill had so much juice because he won the

983
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: three super Bowls so fast, he don't have to listen

984
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: to any of them. What if they're like all, what

985
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: if they got a bunch of opinions for Rabel and

986
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: Vrabel hates. I wouldn't. I would guess that's not gonna happen.

987
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: But who knows? A question for the pod? Do you

988
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: think that with all the focus on how bad Darnold

989
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: was in the game, people glossed over how good Stafford was.

990
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: I hear some media people trying to act like he's

991
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: not that great, and I just don't know how you

992
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: could have that opinion. I know he slowed down after

993
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: they got up, but early in the game he looked awesome.

994
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: It was almost like how not to handle pressure as

995
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback video watching him, or how to and how

996
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: not to him versus darn it. I know the Rams

997
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: offense hasn't been great since the Bills game, but Stafford

998
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: when he's hot, feels like the only quarterback in the

999
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: NFC that could win a shootout with these AFC guys.

1000
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: To me, I love Stafford in the Dome, Big Game.

1001
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,879
Speaker 1: McVeigh Stafford Dome. It's gonna be pretty interesting this week.

1002
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 1: I haven't checked the weather in Philly, but I would

1003
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: imagine it's not gonna be warm a little different. If

1004
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: he could win this game and get back to the

1005
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: Dome against the Lions, and then you get a Dome

1006
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl, you would like his chances. I

1007
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: would say Stafford is the one guy that if he's on,

1008
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: can just have a game where he's every bit as

1009
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: good as like Mahomes. He obviously doesn't run like Lamar

1010
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: or Josh, but just who can just dominate like an

1011
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: elite player. Happens fewer now than it did a couple

1012
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: of years ago because he's older and a little more

1013
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: banged up. But and again he he was just in

1014
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: complete control of that game. I mean, he's an all

1015
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: time great talent. He's an all time great talent who

1016
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: didn't really get the chance to maximize his career till

1017
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: his mid thirties. And now, I mean, who knows, like

1018
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for him to just string together good

1019
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: games just because it's thirty. I was thirty six years

1020
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: old I mean crazy thing about Stafford. I'm pretty sure

1021
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: he came in the league at like twenty. Stafford is shit.

1022
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's close to my age. He will be,

1023
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean he'll be thirty seven here in less than

1024
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: a month. But yeah, still a dude. In fairness to Stafford,

1025
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: like there aren't any questions to be answered. I think

1026
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: part of the reason Sam Darnold takes up all the

1027
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: oxygen is like Staffords already won a Super Bowl, He's

1028
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: already been to how many Pro Bowls? Stafford's only a

1029
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: two time Pro Bowler seems a little crazy, but we

1030
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: all view him as like one of the best players

1031
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: or one of the better players of his generation, made

1032
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: all the money one playoff games. I don't think he

1033
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: has anything left to prove. That game was all about

1034
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 1: Sam Dormand it's just whether you're in the media, whether

1035
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: you're talking with your buddies, like that's, whether you do

1036
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: a podcast whatever, like that's that was the story of

1037
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: the game, and I think it's fair. Would you trade

1038
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: the number three overall pick for JJ McCarthy considering the

1039
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: lack of top end quarterback talent this year, No, I

1040
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: would not. Assuming quarterbacks go one and two, I'd rather

1041
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: have Travis Hunter. This notion that JJ McCarthy and he

1042
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: might be hardball. Loved him, but it's just gonna be

1043
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: some top ten quarterback. I mean, we got a lot

1044
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 1: of unknown never had to pass that much in college.

1045
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: Carried by a defense in a run game obviously has

1046
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: a ability, but we have no clue. He never had

1047
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: to do it in college. We have no clue if

1048
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: you can do in the NFL. Poor his knee, had

1049
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: to have another knee surgery, lost a bunch of weight.

1050
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: If he is the starter next year, there is going

1051
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: to be It would have been easier if he was healthy,

1052
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: just for him to start this year because the expectations

1053
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: were low. Next year, If he becomes the starter and

1054
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: they let Darnald walk, it's like, hey man, betterly, it's

1055
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Anything less than the playoffs your the vikings

1056
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: would be a massive, massive failure. You don't need to

1057
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: win thirteen games, fourteen games, but like, can we win

1058
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: ten games and be the seventh seed? That would be

1059
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: minimum or it would be a problem. So the pressure

1060
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: on the guy's on the kid is going to be massive.

1061
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: Over the last two years, I've seen David Shaw's name

1062
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: come up in head coaching interviews these past two cycles.

1063
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: Given your ties to the Bay Area, curious your opinion

1064
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: of him as not only a head coaching candidate, but

1065
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: maybe as an OC in the future. Uh I had

1066
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: whenever I would talk with him, he was always really

1067
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: cool to me. I like the guy lot. I think

1068
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: toward the end of Stanford the last couple of years,

1069
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: it just looked it was really really ugly and specifically offensively,

1070
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: and it just felt like a guy that was lost.

1071
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes in coaching he won one hundred percent,

1072
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: could have been an NFL coach. I don't know, less

1073
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: than ten years ago. I'm gonna pull up his wiki.

1074
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: He had a stretch at Stanford where they were so

1075
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 1: good after hardball. So basically he takes over for Jim

1076
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven and goes eleven and two, twelve and two,

1077
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: eleven and three, eight and five, twelve and two. So

1078
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: that twelve and two season when they win the Rose Bowl.

1079
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: Pretty sure that's Christian McCaffrey's year. In twenty fifteen where

1080
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: they destroy Iowa. He probably should have jumped at the chance,

1081
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: because then after seventeen and eighteen were still good nine

1082
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: and five, nine and four. His last five years or

1083
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: four years at Stanford were rough. Four and eight, twenty

1084
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: doesn't even count three and nine, three and nine. I

1085
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: mean they finished in basically dead last in the fact

1086
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: twelve in two thousand and twenty two. And then he

1087
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: doesn't coach in twenty three or twenty four, and now

1088
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: he just kind of helps out the Broncos, so his

1089
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: star diminished, and then he's just kind of been out

1090
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: of the loop. I think you'd be hard pressed to

1091
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: hire him to be your offensive coordinator. I think some

1092
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: Stanford fans would say, I mean, which I appreciate, and

1093
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: there are elements at this level of football or this

1094
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: type of football that I love at the highest levels,

1095
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: very old school offensive game plans. I mean, you think

1096
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: hardball runs an old school offense. I think David Shaw's

1097
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: even more old school than that. And I think his

1098
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: last year at Stanford, I forget the name of the guy,

1099
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: but he hired an offensive coordinator I think from Wake

1100
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: Forest and they tried to like implement the spread. I

1101
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: just think he was lost and it really backfired. So

1102
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: I think he's really smart. He's just a high level cat.

1103
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: But I'd be hard pressed. I don't think he's gonna

1104
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: get a head coaching job, and as an OC like,

1105
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: I think the game has changed a lot. Like in

1106
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: his heyday ten years ago, when Stanford was kicking everyone's ass,

1107
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: it was essentially posting Andrew locked the run game and defense.

1108
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: And the difference of him at Harbaugh is Harbaugh never

1109
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: really stopped winning. Harbor didn't have back to back three

1110
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: nine seasons like you do that in your old school,

1111
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: it can just fall apart. But in an interview setting,

1112
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's fucking smart, like you talk to him.

1113
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: I've always said this about Stanford guys and always said this,

1114
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: like when I was scouting at Stanford, and listen, I

1115
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: grew up and went to some camps as a kid,

1116
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: Like I went to a basketball camp, and I think

1117
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: I went to a golf camp at Stanford when I

1118
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: was like ten eleven years old, even though my dad

1119
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: was a big cow guy, because that's where his dad,

1120
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, talk growing up. Stanford is a badass place,

1121
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: and it's got to have the most unique ability to

1122
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: find like the elite athletes at all the sports, I

1123
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: mean basketball, football and basketball are down right now, but

1124
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: when they're rolling that are just really really high level dudes.

1125
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: I mean I just remember walking around the campus. You

1126
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: just feel the intellectual energy. But like at the time

1127
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: when I was scouting, I mean they were dominating. They

1128
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: would go into the Rose Bowl and producing NFL guy

1129
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: after NFL guy. Then you go to the cafeteria and

1130
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: it'd be like Michael Phelps junior, and like the star

1131
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: soccer player and like the next Tiger Woods. Like this

1132
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: place is sweet with like, oh yeah, that guy he

1133
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: runs a three hundred million dollar company and that's the

1134
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: head of this company in Silicon Valley's coming to meet

1135
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: with some dude here. It's just a it's a powerful place.

1136
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: Stanford is cool as shit. Golf they got their own

1137
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: golf course, all their facilities. They're better now than they

1138
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: were then. But you know, back in the day, the

1139
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the Bay Area used to be hosted there.

1140
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: I think the forty nine ers in the eighties won

1141
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl at Stanford Stadium. Big fan of show question.

1142
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: Pretty contract discourse is really frustrating to me, not because

1143
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: quote unquote does he deserve it. He's getting paid, So

1144
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: that point is moved. The most frustrating part of the

1145
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: discussion to me has been the complete lack of nuance

1146
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: in the narrative surrounding the quarterback contracts. The media perpetuates

1147
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: the idea that all those quote unquote fifty million dollar

1148
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: quarterback contracts are the same. Jalen and Dak are both

1149
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: fifty million dollar quarterbacks, but Hert's cap hit is twenty

1150
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: one million dollars and Dak's is eighty nine point nine.

1151
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: The forty nine ers are carrying over fifty million in

1152
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: cap space for twenty five most in the National Football League.

1153
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: Most projections, Perty's cap hit at a round or under

1154
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars, so in the first year of the extension,

1155
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: putting him beneath Baker Mayfield and Gino Smith at eighteen.

1156
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: So the idea that they extend him with a market

1157
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: rate contract see my conversation. I hear what you're saying,

1158
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: and I the forty nine ers could give him one

1159
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars or eight hundred million dollars or five

1160
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: hundred million. I don't give a shit how much any

1161
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: of these guys make all I celebrate guys getting cash

1162
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: in every walk of life. This is a pro celebration

1163
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: of success in any industry. You're in but in football,

1164
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: how you build the team matters. And initially I hear

1165
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,439
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Right now, Perty's contract is the best

1166
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: benefit in the NFL because's like a one million dollar cap.

1167
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: So even if he gets an extension, he goes to

1168
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars. True, but over the next several years,

1169
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: if they give him, let's say one hundred and eighty

1170
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,959
Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed, that number does rise, as you see

1171
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: with these other quarterbacks, and it puts pressure on him

1172
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: to be a high end guy. So yeah, next year, really,

1173
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, not a crazy impact, but

1174
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: eventually and it just you know, the signing bonus that's

1175
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: Jed York's money, which is not even his money comes

1176
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: from the league. It's all monopoly money. It doesn't matter anyway,

1177
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: So I hear you. I don't question it. I don't

1178
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: care about any of that shit. I go, well, if

1179
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: you do give this guy a ton of money over

1180
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: the course of this contract, he better be a Pro

1181
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: Bowl guy in like three or four years, and can

1182
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: you put the franchise on his back? Could he have

1183
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: played quarterback for the Chargers this year? And could they

1184
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: have won eleven games? Could they have been in the playoffs?

1185
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: Is he good enough? Because there will be a time

1186
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: when that will be what your team looks like because

1187
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: of his contract, Patrick Mahomes Like they had a trade

1188
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, then they hit on some draft picks. But offensively,

1189
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: their offensive line this year is pretty questionable. Their running

1190
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: back broke his leg, They've gone through a ton of

1191
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: receivers with injuries and a lot of injuries, and Travis

1192
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: for a large portion of the season kind of looked

1193
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: old and just old. He's gotten looks a little younger lately,

1194
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: but like, can you carry me like that? And listen,

1195
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: we all know perty's not Mahomes, But once you start

1196
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: paying these contracts, like the Eagles eventually are gonna have

1197
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: to make a couple cap decisions because of Jalen's contract,

1198
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: that's always the conversation. So if I'm maxing out a quarterback,

1199
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: whether it's Jalen, whether it's GoF, like, can this guy

1200
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: one day carre at me? And maybe answer for ninety

1201
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: percent of them is no, But you don't have a choice.

1202
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: I'm a Bengals fan. After watching the absolute mid off

1203
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: wild guard weekend in the AFC, it's hard not to

1204
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: think about Burro, Chase and t could have done in

1205
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: the first round. The defense improved down the stretch due

1206
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: to younger players getting to start, specifically the D line.

1207
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 1: Do you think the Bengals could have threatened the Ravens, Bills,

1208
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: and Texans. The pure meltdown of the Steelers, Chargers and

1209
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: Broncos embarrassing. I don't think they would have beat the Ravens.

1210
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: I think the Ravens in Baltimore beating Cincinnati, even though

1211
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: I know you guys had some great games this year,

1212
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm taking Baltimore in that spot. Uh, they one could

1213
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: have beaten Houston, you know, in a coin flip game,

1214
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: and who's the other team? Buffalo more likely to beat

1215
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: Buffalo because we're gonna find out how good their defense

1216
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: is this year. I still think Buffalo probably beat you.

1217
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: I think the one team you could have beat is Houston.

1218
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:30,919
Speaker 1: The problem is you weren't gonna be the five seed.

1219
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: I think part of your problem is this is a

1220
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: big offseason. You know, do they sign or make any

1221
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: big trades. Who's their defensive coordinator? Like, I hear what

1222
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: you're saying, but you guys kind of put yourself in

1223
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: that position, just like the Steelers. Like the other reason

1224
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: they were the wild card and didn't win the division

1225
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: is because like they blew the Cleveland game and they

1226
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: let Dak Prescott drive down the field and have a

1227
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: walk off touchdown. Was that Sunday or Monday night football?

1228
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: Is that Thursday night football? I forget? But you win

1229
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 1: one of those games, like you win the division, you

1230
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: host the game. Now I think Baltimore goes into Pittsburgh

1231
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: and wins. But still Steeler fan, how come? Literally no

1232
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: one is talking about this is Sam Donald and Pittsburgh.

1233
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 1: I know it's a bit boom doom and gloom at

1234
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: the moment, but we had Donald, Pickens, Warren and Nausey

1235
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: and brought in Ben Johnson at a discount version of

1236
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: the current Lions. Najia Harrison not gonna be on the

1237
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: team next year, and I mean we talked about Sam

1238
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: earlier to Pittsburgh. I definitely think will be on the table.

1239
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: One major question mark you guys have is your star

1240
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver is not a star, but he kind of

1241
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: carries himself like that thinks he is. And it's very

1242
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: very hard to win in a scenario where you're wide

1243
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: receiver just is a massive diva, but he doesn't produce.

1244
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: I can live with Antonio Brown or Torell Owens if

1245
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: they're getting me one hundred and ten catches in twelve touchdowns.

1246
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: I just can't live with the way Pickens played down

1247
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: the stretch. He's not a reliable player. And listen, you

1248
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: drafted Najie Harrison the first round. He he's just not

1249
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: good enough. And I thought this year he ran hard.

1250
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: But we know what good running backs and average running

1251
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: backs look like, and that's he's pretty average. So I

1252
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: think you guys are not even remotely close to the Lions. Uh,

1253
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: first time writing you from Toledo, Ohio. Let's see the

1254
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: Lions lost to the Vikings and got the five seed

1255
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: instead of the one. Do you believe the Lions would

1256
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: have gone on to beat the Rams or would they

1257
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:52,600
Speaker 1: have gotten a similar ass kicking keep up the good work? Uh?

1258
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would have been a lock

1259
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: to beat the Rams, but their offense would not have

1260
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: looked like sam dermal than that because one advantage. You know,

1261
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: the Lions offensive line is elite like it is a

1262
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: high end offensive line. The Minnesota Vikings is not their

1263
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,759
Speaker 1: best player towards acl earlier in the season they lost

1264
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: O'Neill in that game that they were just a turnstyle. Well,

1265
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: when you have a good offensive line, you can neutralize

1266
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: the pass rush, like Pina Sewel's not getting run over

1267
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: by Jared Verse every play. So I think that I

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Speaker 1: think the Lions would beat the Rams, though I definitely

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Speaker 1: would give the Rams a shot. But I don't you

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Speaker 1: know part of it. You know, Donald holding onto the ball,

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Speaker 1: Jared Goff doesn't hold on the ball like that. It's

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Speaker 1: not that the Lions don't play like that. It would

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Speaker 1: have looked a lot different even if the Rams won.

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Speaker 1: They last question my Raider fan here. This is Dion

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Speaker 1: not Deon Sanders question for the mailbag. As a Raider fan,

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Speaker 1: I felt like we were in hell with an average

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Speaker 1: quarterback in car and I actually think Gruden got the

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Speaker 1: best out of them. How important in today's league is

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Speaker 1: the coach quarterback? Conbo I seriously think it's the most

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Speaker 1: important aspect to be successful in a loaded division with

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, bow Knicks, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and Herbert

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Speaker 1: and Harball. What chance do the Raiders have for success

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Speaker 1: in the next five to ten years? I would say

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Speaker 1: if you got Ben Johnson, and it turns out Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson is just some version of like the Shanahan McVeigh

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Speaker 1: tree guys, you know, Kevin, O'Connell, McVeigh, Kyle lafloor, McDaniel

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Speaker 1: kind of just he's just a good play calling head coach.

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Speaker 1: And we can debate all these guys, right. McVeigh is

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Speaker 1: probably the most you know, I saw I watched a

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Speaker 1: John Gotti show recently, more teflon down than them all,

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Speaker 1: because he's got a Super Bowl, he just won a

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Speaker 1: playoff game, O'Connell lost a playoff game, McDaniel's team doesn't

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Speaker 1: show up to meetings on time, Kyle's team won six games,

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Speaker 1: and Lafloor's quarterback just fell apart down the stretch. But

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Speaker 1: all those guys, I mean, i'd put McDaniel last, But

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Speaker 1: the other guy's proven trackberry calling good good play callers.

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Speaker 1: Even McDaniel like he's he's called some good plays in

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Speaker 1: this day. If Ben Johnson is that, then I just

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Speaker 1: think you got a couple of years to like figure

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Speaker 1: out how you find a quarterback. Let's face it, most

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Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks who'd I see recently say this was it.

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Speaker 1: Verbel I thought it was a coach. Say, let's face it,

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Speaker 1: most quarterbacks come in the draft. Oh, maybe it was

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Speaker 1: John Lynch on a radio interview talking to defending party, like,

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Speaker 1: the only way to get these guys is a draft pick.

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Speaker 1: Look at all the top quarterbacks in the NFL, in

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Speaker 1: no particular order. Mahomes drafted, Alan drafted, Lamar drafted, Burrow drafted,

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Speaker 1: Herbert drafted, Stafford and Goff. Kind of unique situations, right,

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Speaker 1: they were traded for each other. Stafford spent whatever a

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Speaker 1: long time with Detroit, same with Goff, Hurts drafted. Just

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Speaker 1: look at the quarterback CJ. Stroud drafted, Jayden Daniels drafted.

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Speaker 1: You just most of these guys, you're just gonna have

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Speaker 1: to draft. Colts were good forever with Manning drafted, Rogers

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Speaker 1: Packers drafted. So you just, how do the Raiders draft

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Speaker 1: a quarterback? You guys have drafted one decent quarterback. Feels

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Speaker 1: like in my life because I wasn't alive for Ken Stabler,

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Speaker 1: but Rich Gannon for the little Gruden run in the

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Speaker 1: late nineties early two thousands was a free agent signing,

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Speaker 1: and then for the next two decades minus car, you

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Speaker 1: did not draft quarterback so it's like, can Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: draft a quarterback? I don't know, And there's an element

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Speaker 1: a lot to it also in a weird way. Typically

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Speaker 1: you have to suck or at least be relatively high

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Speaker 1: in the draft to have a shot, right like how

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Speaker 1: the Ravens get Flacco or the Steelers got Ben Roethlisberger.

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Speaker 1: So even if you're not drafting number one, like you

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Speaker 1: still probably got to hit a pick top fifteen, or

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Speaker 1: you could just hope and pray that you find like

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Speaker 1: a Russell Wilson in the third round, Dak Prescott in

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Speaker 1: the fourth round. I mean, Purty's the all time outlier.

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Speaker 1: Just find a starting quarterback in the seventh round. It's

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Speaker 1: mainly first round picks. He's got a draft a guy

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Speaker 1: in the first round. Even Derek was pick thirty six

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Speaker 1: or something like, he was really really high in that

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Speaker 1: he was Khalil's draft. So Khalil was the fifth fifth

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Speaker 1: overall pick and Derek was your second round pick thirty six,

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Speaker 1: thirty seven something like that. Yeah, I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's your future. If you hire Ben Johnson, at least

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Speaker 1: you got a shot. He might suck. But if you

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Speaker 1: hire Ben Johnson, That's that's impressive. Like that was damn

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Speaker 1: the Raiders landing Ben Johnson the guy that everyone wants.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's a great start. So I would just

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Speaker 1: start there and then just see what transpires from there.

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Speaker 1: That's I would just take a breast, see what transpires. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Who's the Lions back quarterback? Isn't he? Uh? I feel

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Speaker 1: like your backup was the guy that towards the acl

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Speaker 1: Hendon Hooker. Maybe could you trade for Hndon Hooker? Maybe

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson likes him a little older than I thought.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was the offensive SEC Player of the

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Speaker 1: Year in twenty two through twenty seven touchdowns two picks

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Speaker 1: Tennessee in twenty twenty two. Maybe Ben Johnson likes him

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Speaker 1: and just like, hey, trade you like a fourth round

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Speaker 1: pick for him and just see what he's got. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if the Lions would even trade him, but

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Speaker 1: they drafted him in what round in the third and

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Speaker 1: twenty three, so he has two years left on his

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Speaker 1: rookie contract. Maybe he just do that. Maybe just trade

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Speaker 1: like a fourth round pick for Hendon Hooker and just

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Speaker 1: get a quarterback that you know, like knows his system

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Speaker 1: and you feel comfortable with That's what I would do

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Speaker 1: if I hire Ben Johnson, assuming Ben Johnson likes the

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Speaker 1: guy a lot. He's played a little bit this year

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Speaker 1: in blowouts. I think he's healthy right now. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why you guys got Teddy Bridgewe on the team.

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Speaker 1: Maybe dang Amble and those guys just like him. Hendon

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Speaker 1: Hooker next quarterback of the writers audios, have a great day.

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Speaker 1: We will talk soon. The volume