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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory.

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Speaker 1: My name is Chandler Room, along with Tyler Stafford, and

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Speaker 1: the Astros just finished a seven to three homestand they

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Speaker 1: split four games with the very, very resurgent and hot

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Speaker 1: Tampa bay Rays, and no one is talking about any

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Speaker 1: of that because the Astros continue to mangle their messaging.

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Speaker 1: They continue to ostensibly mangle the way they get their

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Speaker 1: players back onto the field from injuries, and they laid

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Speaker 1: bare a lot of dysfunction this weekend at Dyke And

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Speaker 1: Park on Saturday morning, when Dana Brown sat atop a

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Speaker 1: bench for ten minutes and attempted to explain to the

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Speaker 1: assembled media about bone calcification, about calcium build up and

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Speaker 1: fractures and things of that nature. Dana Brown is a scout.

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Speaker 1: Dana Brown is a baseball executive. Dana Brown is an

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Speaker 1: accomplished general manager. I think we can say after his

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Speaker 1: first couple of years in Houston, he does not have

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Speaker 1: any medical expertise. And the fact that he had to

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Speaker 1: sit on that bench and try to explain to us

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Speaker 1: the nuances and what is going on with his star

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Speaker 1: players right hand, it's pretty indicative of the Astros entire

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Speaker 1: setup right now, Tyler, We've got to come at this

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Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. This is a very nuanced

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Speaker 1: discussion to have. I want to get your perspective, because

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Speaker 1: you're a fan. When I talk about this a lot,

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Speaker 1: the response I get from most people is stop whining.

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Speaker 1: Stop whining. If they're not making Jeremiah Randall available to you,

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Speaker 1: no one should care. No one should care who's made

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Speaker 1: available to me. No one should care about interviews or

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Speaker 1: media or anything like that. Like, if you're a fan,

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Speaker 1: the last thing you should worry about is who is

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Speaker 1: made available to talk to me. I get that one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent from a fans perspective. From your perspective, what

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Speaker 1: how how does this resonate with you? How the Astros

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Speaker 1: have messaged their injuries, their recoveries, and the communication that

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Speaker 1: has taken place from this organization, not just about your

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Speaker 1: and Alvarez's injury, but for the past, you know, five

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Speaker 1: or six years, because this is not something that started

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Speaker 2: So here's the first thing I'll say. It does matter

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Speaker 2: who's available to speak to because all of the angry

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Speaker 2: questions that you get can only be answered by people

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Speaker 2: who are not being made available to you. So it

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Speaker 2: does matter who you can speak to, because again Dana

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Speaker 2: Brown can't. I mean, he said sixty percent healed manufacturer,

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? Where did you get that number?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? It's sixty percent healed on what

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Speaker 2: time line? Does that mean? It's been broken this whole

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Speaker 2: time and it's now sixty percent healed? What does that

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Speaker 2: mean you didn't know it was broken until yesterday. I

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Speaker 2: don't buy for a second that sixty percent means anything,

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Speaker 2: and especially not coming from him. He didn't see the imaging,

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Speaker 2: and I don't blame him for not but I do

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Speaker 2: think it matters who's made available to you, especially when

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Speaker 2: the issue that the astros are having right now is communication,

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Speaker 2: because I mean, we talked about this on the last

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Speaker 2: And I still think that's true. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 2: think there is like proprietary preventative measures that teams are

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Speaker 2: holding on to that are substantial, right, Like you stretch,

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Speaker 2: you warm up, you do your best, but there's no

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Speaker 2: like secret sauce that a team has that keeps people

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Speaker 2: one team whose arms would magically work, and we would

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Speaker 2: know within a month because the second someone got traded

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Speaker 2: Like that's not real. That like preventing injuries. Everyone's doing

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Speaker 2: the best that they can, and I still fully believe that.

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Speaker 2: I think the aswers are messing up somewhere with getting

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Speaker 2: they're not being given like correct timelines to have people.

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Speaker 2: that are clearly an issue for the Astros. And again

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Speaker 2: I say communication because if Jordown left the game a

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Speaker 2: month ago and the next day they said, yeap, we

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Speaker 2: went in, we did imaging. Everything's inflamed. Right now, we

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Speaker 2: doctors told us we need to wait a week and

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Speaker 2: we'll do another MRI and see if it's fractured. And

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Speaker 2: if he came back and it was, we'd go, man,

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Speaker 2: that sucks. I hope your on gets better. But that'd

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Speaker 2: be the end of the story. There'd be nothing else

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Speaker 2: getting upset with the Astros medical team. It's like that happens,

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Speaker 2: there's injuries in baseball. That was the timeline that happened,

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Speaker 2: But because of the way that it's been communicated now

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Speaker 2: it's like, well, did he get more injured in the

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Speaker 2: last three weeks? Because you didn't know this was going on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I read your story and what they did.

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Speaker 2: They did imaging like the day after and then like

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Speaker 2: mean in his comments he says like, yeah, I thought

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Speaker 2: but I didn't know what to like what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Like what is happening? How how do you not once

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Speaker 2: and see if there's something broken, Like what are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Why was that not done at all? And it's frustrating

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Speaker 2: that you can't ask that question to the people who

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Speaker 2: and it's especially bad coming from last year where Kyle

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Speaker 2: Tucker was diagnosed with the case of the alleys and

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you called it a communication problem, because I

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Speaker 1: think at its core, that's what this is. I don't

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Speaker 1: think the Astros have doctors and trainers that are unqualified.

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Speaker 1: I think these are people that are elite, have elite qualified,

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Speaker 1: The way that they are portrayed, however, the communication lacks

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Speaker 1: something that the astros have struggled with for a long time.

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Speaker 1: They have struggled in crisis communication situations. They have struggled

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Speaker 1: really and like just normal, like they find a way

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Speaker 1: a lot to take to redirect attention from something that

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Speaker 1: should be good. Like take the twenty nineteen playoffs. You

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Speaker 1: making the story up, overshadowing the first three games of

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Speaker 1: the World Series. You win the World Series in twenty

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Speaker 1: such a great run for Dusty Baker finally went in

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Speaker 1: two days later, and then with this you know, look,

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Speaker 1: you're and Alvarez is not the first marquee player to

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Speaker 1: get injured like this happens routinely, Like guys get hurt.

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Speaker 1: That's part of the game, Guys foul balls off their

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Speaker 1: somehow the Astros have gotten to a point where they

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Speaker 1: Tyler just said of like, look, we're gonna put him

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Speaker 1: We don't really know what's going on in there. It

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Speaker 1: We need to keep looking at it instead it's hey,

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Speaker 1: I do not blame Dana Brown. They are in difficult

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Speaker 1: and telling us that Jordan Alvais is feeling better. What

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Speaker 1: don't know what we can do about it. Like Dana Brown, again,

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Speaker 1: not a medical professional, is trying to tell us about

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Speaker 1: just like, you know, we got it from the trainer.

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Speaker 1: he was given a company line to read. Why don't

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Speaker 2: It's not even every day, just once a week, say like, hey,

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Speaker 2: Spencer and Getty's been out for two months? Where is

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is he doing better? What have you guys been doing?

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Speaker 2: Is he gonna?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: And I because a lot of it is like I

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Speaker 2: don't I don't want to hear that they're doing they're ramping,

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Speaker 2: they're doing baseball activities or what like what literally what

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Speaker 2: is happening with his thumb? It was broken? Is it

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Speaker 2: better now? Is he out of the cast? What's the

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Speaker 2: next medical step? Like I And you know, if you

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Speaker 2: make that available once a week one, you can keep

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Speaker 2: this from being a daily thing that Joe Spota and

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Speaker 2: Dana Brown have to answer because you just go like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, You're gonna have to ask the

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Speaker 2: they'll come in, they'll spend twenty minutes, and none of

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Speaker 2: not like it's their fault either that these people are injured.

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Speaker 2: But it's so frustrating when, again the baseball side of

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Speaker 1: going on because they don't want maybe other teams that

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Speaker 1: could sign them in free agency in the in the

433
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Speaker 1: winner to know everything. Now, they'll get the medical reports

434
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Speaker 1: and all that when when they when they get in

435
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Speaker 1: contract negotiations. But so there there is some awkwardness with that.

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Speaker 1: So don't don't discount that either, that that players can

437
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Speaker 1: sometimes be difficult in these situations. And I'm not saying

438
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Speaker 1: Jordan Alvarez himself has been difficult, but he's a guy

439
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Speaker 1: that doesn't really like to talk when he's injured. That's

440
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Speaker 1: been a that's been something traditionally with him when he's

441
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Speaker 1: been on the injured list, it has been difficult for

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Speaker 1: him to to to talk, being difficult to get him

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Speaker 1: to talk to us. And that's not that's not uncommon.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of there can be other forces

445
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Speaker 1: at play here too, if an agent gets involved. You know,

446
00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: Jordan Alvarez's agent got involved here. Dana Brown's said that

447
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Speaker 1: on Saturday they got the second opinion basically from an

448
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Speaker 1: independent doctor through Jordon Alvarez's agent, and they they went

449
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Speaker 1: together with the ASTROS doctors and they formulated, Hey, he

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Speaker 1: has a fracture, and that is common. That that's not

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Speaker 1: a that was not something out of the ordinary, that

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Speaker 1: that happened. That happens all the time in baseball. You know,

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Speaker 1: with Jordan specifically, I think the thing that should worry

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Speaker 1: the ASTROS and that should force Dana Brown to really

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Speaker 1: really take a look at some things they're doing. The

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Speaker 1: optics are awful. That he took live batting practice on

457
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Speaker 1: Friday against minor league pitching, actually hit a homer, hit

458
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Speaker 1: hit a couple balls pretty hard. I watched most of it,

459
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Speaker 1: and then the next day they say he's got a fracture. Like,

460
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Speaker 1: the optics of that are terrible. Now, Jordan Alvarez, it

461
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Speaker 1: should be noted, came out and said, you know, I

462
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Speaker 1: was in agreement with the plan. You know, they told

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Speaker 1: me that the what we wanted to do. He agreed

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Speaker 1: to it. It's also on the player too, Tyler, to

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Speaker 1: to speak up and to say, you know, hey, like

466
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Speaker 1: I don't feel right, like I need something else. And

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Speaker 1: I asked Jordan Alvarez outright on Saturday whether he was

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Speaker 1: okay with how the Astros handled this situation, and well, actually,

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Speaker 1: the way I phrased the question was, is it concerning

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Speaker 1: to you how the Astros hand the medical staff handled this?

471
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Speaker 1: And he said, no, it's not because maybe I should

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Speaker 1: have spoken up and asked for another he it was

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Speaker 1: translated as study he asked for another's I I assume

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Speaker 1: he meant image or MRI of some sort. So it

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Speaker 1: is on the like the player bears some responsibility. I'm

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Speaker 1: not blaming Jordan alvas for getting hurt, but he does blame.

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Speaker 1: He does bear some responsibility in this situation too. If

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Speaker 1: as he told as he told us, hey, I knew

479
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Speaker 1: something was wrong. I knew something in here was worse

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Speaker 1: than just a muscle strain. It is on him a

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Speaker 1: little bit to to to speak up. And Dana Brown.

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Speaker 1: Something Dana Brown said today on the pregame show was

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Speaker 1: that Robert Ford, who I will give an immense amount

484
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Speaker 1: of credit, It is really easy on a team radio

485
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Speaker 1: broadcast to avoid talking about this, to avoid questions like this.

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Speaker 1: Robert Ford today asked Dana Brown in hindsight, is there

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Speaker 1: anything you wish you would have done differently in this situation?

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Speaker 1: And Dana said, well, we probably should have just shut

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Speaker 1: him down the minute that he complained of pain, and

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Speaker 1: Jordan did acknowledge it. He played through pain for about

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Speaker 1: ten games because he had had pain in his hand

492
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Speaker 1: before and he had played through it. Dana Brown did

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Speaker 1: acknowledge they probably should have just shut him down, that

494
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Speaker 1: they probably should have them put their foot down, like no,

495
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Speaker 1: we're not doing this like you go, And that's easier

496
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Speaker 1: said than done, especially with a guy of Jordon Alvarez's stature.

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Speaker 1: So I think to make this solely on the medical staff,

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Speaker 1: the training staff, the return to play procedure, I think

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Speaker 1: that's a little short sighted, but it's something that needs

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Speaker 1: to be looked at, and it's something that needs to

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Speaker 1: be a holistic, communicative, aligned experience, like the player has

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Speaker 1: to feel comfortable acknowledging it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I don't feel right, yeah, I mean to me,

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Speaker 2: it feels like there's just no handbook for the players

505
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Speaker 2: to you know, what steps should you take? You know

506
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Speaker 2: when you go into the doctor and there's the different

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Speaker 2: smiley faces of your pain scale, Like maybe maybe there

508
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: just needs to be a chart in the ASTROS locker

509
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Speaker 2: room where it's like how you feeling a day, and

510
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 2: you click it when you walk in, and if it

511
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Speaker 2: jumps up to a seven one day, it's like, oh,

512
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: we should go in and check on this guy or whatever.

513
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Speaker 2: I used to do that when I was a teacher.

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Speaker 2: I had one that had three smiley faces of like,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about what you learned today? And

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Speaker 2: most of the time kids were okay, but there were

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Speaker 2: a couple lessons where I thought that we did well

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Speaker 2: and then everyone was just like thumbs down. I'm like,

519
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: all right, cool, we're gonna read it. Like that's on me, clearly.

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00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: If everybody's saying they didn't get it, I'll teach it

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Speaker 2: again and whatever. I'm joking obviously, but there does need

522
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Speaker 2: to be some sort of written out step by step,

523
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Speaker 2: like here's how you communicate when you're injured. We know

524
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Speaker 2: that you're hurt. There's a difference between like you're not

525
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Speaker 2: feeling the best you've ever felt in your life, but

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Speaker 2: like when it gets to a point that you're noticing

527
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Speaker 2: it while you're playing, Just let us know, and here's

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Speaker 2: the steps that we take from that. We're not saying

529
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Speaker 2: we're gonna take you out or whatever, but that needs

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Speaker 2: to be spelled out to the players so they feel

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Speaker 2: empowered to communicate, and then there needs to be steps

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Speaker 2: of Okay, when we do these things, here's how we

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Speaker 2: communicate it to the coaches, and here's how they can

534
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Speaker 2: communicate it to media, whatever. But right now it just

535
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Speaker 2: feels like it is the wild West for them and

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Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty five, Like what are we doing? How

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Speaker 2: do you not have just a one pager PDF somewhere

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Speaker 2: in your document folder that's like, here's how we handle

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Speaker 2: in reas because it feels like they don't and maybe

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Speaker 2: they do, but we'll never know about it because we're

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Speaker 2: not allowed to ask any of the people about that.

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Speaker 2: One thing I did want to say we were talking

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Speaker 2: about Gordon, I wanted to pull up I'm gonna try

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna hit my present button and we're gonna see

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Speaker 2: if it's gonna work out technology, We're gonna try it.

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Speaker 1: While you're pulling that up. I want to make one

547
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Speaker 1: thing abundantly clear too, that the Ashers are not alone

548
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Speaker 1: and not making available up there. I can think of

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Speaker 1: at least six teams off the top of my head

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Speaker 1: that do make their trainer available, but that is not

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Speaker 1: the norm. Making the trainer available is not the norm

552
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball. However, other teams are far more

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Speaker 1: confident at communicating what's going on than the Astros have

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Speaker 1: shown themselves to be.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is Baseball Perspectives. Ye I texted my

556
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 2: friend Craig Goldstein, who runs Baseball Perspectives.

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Speaker 1: Now your name dropping good.

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Speaker 2: Not to brag, but we had dinner in Washington, d C.

559
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Speaker 2: One time and it was wonderful. Shout out, Craig. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So here is the Astros injury ledger for twenty twenty five.

561
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Speaker 2: Subscribe to Baseball Perspectives. They're awesome. You can see all

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Speaker 2: the injuries here. So here's Nicholas Flamel, he's out here

563
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Speaker 2: with his cavstrain. Here's Jordon So he's been out twenty

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Speaker 2: nine days with quote unquote hand inflammation. And so I

565
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Speaker 2: was curious, what does the recovery typically look like? And

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Speaker 2: you can actually go to the recovery dashboard. I typed

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Speaker 2: in hand I said hit her because I wasn't interested

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Speaker 2: in pictures, and then you can filter by like what

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Speaker 2: type of injury. So I have done the astros a

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Speaker 2: favor and go ahead and click to the fracture break

571
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Speaker 2: button because that's actually what we're dealing with. And you

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Speaker 2: can see the average days missed for a hand fracture

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Speaker 2: is forty nine days. Jordon's been out twenty nine days.

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Speaker 2: If this had been communicated two weeks ago, Hey, he

575
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Speaker 2: has a hand fracture. The typical timeframe is forty to

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Speaker 2: fifty days, the story would have been over. Like that's it.

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Speaker 2: You just go like, okay, that's the timeline that they're on.

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Speaker 2: But now they're going to have to spend the next

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Speaker 2: three weeks talking about this every day because no one

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Speaker 2: trusts them to have the correct timeline or whatever. But

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Speaker 2: just to give you a realistic expectation, it's twenty days,

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Speaker 2: and that's assuming that the astros caught it on the

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Speaker 2: right side. And this wasn't broken two days ago when

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Speaker 2: he's taken BP right, So we're still three weeks away

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Speaker 2: from the average return time. And I don't know that

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Speaker 2: I would guess that from the astros. Also, while I

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Speaker 2: was in here, I was curious, Spencerrighetti has been out

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Speaker 2: fifty five days with a broken thumb. I went in here,

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Speaker 2: there haven't been a ton of picture broken thumb injuries,

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Speaker 2: but I did thumb break picture. Most have been or

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Speaker 2: two have been forty five days, one was eighty nine,

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Speaker 2: so around sixty days. Again, he's at fifty five. Now.

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Speaker 2: I know those are all very different and obviously not

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00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: a lot of sample size there, but again, cool tool

595
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: to use, uh shout out baseball perspectives. So there you go.

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Speaker 1: And now that you bring up Arraghetty like that is

597
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Speaker 1: his saga, is the the how they should do this all?

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Speaker 1: Like I was in Seattle, we watched. We didn't watch

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Speaker 1: him actually break his thumb. We watched the aftermath when

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Speaker 1: he was very mad in the clubhouse. I don't blame him.

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Speaker 1: I would be mad too if my thumb just got broken.

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Speaker 1: We asked Joe a spot about it in the dugout

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Speaker 1: because we had watched it. He goes, yeah, something happened.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the full details. Within an hour we

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Speaker 1: had from the team Spencer Arraghedtty sustains a broken thumb,

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Speaker 1: and the next day we asked, hey, does he need

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Speaker 1: to have surgery. No, no surgery, Okay. Typically what we're

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Speaker 1: looking at least the cast of four weeks.

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've asked question about Spencer Jetty since then.

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Speaker 1: Like now, granted, Spencer Arigetty is very visible in the clubhouse.

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Speaker 1: We can see him. I can just go, hey, anything

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Speaker 1: new this week? No, okay, great, cool, that's the That

614
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Speaker 1: is the easiest way to do this now. I want

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00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: to reiterate again, sometimes the player interjects, and sometimes the

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Speaker 1: player gets involved, and the player wants things handled in

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Speaker 1: a certain way. And I empathize with the astros and

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Speaker 1: that in that regard because they are trying to manage

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Speaker 1: twenty six very high maintenance individuals with a lot of

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Speaker 1: different personalities and a lot of different priorities and a

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Speaker 1: lot of different things going on. I do not envy

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Speaker 1: them in that situation, but it's clear that that's something

623
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Speaker 1: something has got to change, whether it is the way

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Speaker 1: that they return these guys to play, the communication there

625
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Speaker 1: has got to be. They've got to get together in

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Speaker 1: a room and figure this out. And I don't know

627
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Speaker 1: who needs to be in that room. I have some guesses,

628
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Speaker 1: I have some thoughts of who should be in that room.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say them out loud, but they

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Speaker 1: need to figure this out pretty And the one reason

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Speaker 1: that I think it's imperative that they do this. What

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00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: doesn't get talked about a lot, and when I tried

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Speaker 1: to bring up in the story I wrote on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: is the perception that.

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Speaker 2: They are.

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Speaker 1: What they are doing to their players public perception. Yep,

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Speaker 1: how do you like you saw it? I mean you're

638
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: of an active X account. Like fans thought Jordan was

639
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: soft because he was he was taken three weeks to

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Speaker 1: come back from a muscle strain in the top of

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Speaker 1: his hand, and just like last season when fans thought

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker was soft because in his third month he

643
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: couldn't come back from a bruised shit, And oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: it turns out that their bones are broken. That they're

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Speaker 1: not just they're not just they're not just taking their

646
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: time on little innocuous injuries like they've got serious issues here.

647
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: Like I mean, it got down to the point where

648
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: Joe Spotta is like, at this point, it's it's up

649
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: to Jordon when he comes back, which I know that's

650
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: not the tone with which I'm assuming that he said it.

651
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 2: Which was like, he's ready, he's just being a baby.

652
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: That's that's how it read.

653
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: If you read it and you know you're not wrong.

654
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think in his heart of hearts,

655
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: that's what he's saying. But also like, if your communication

656
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: is so broken that your own manager is kind of

657
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 2: frustrated with the player who has a broken hand and

658
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: nobody knows about it, you're doing something wrong and you

659
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 2: need to Monday morning when you get into the office.

660
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 2: That needs to be first thing on the book says, Okay,

661
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: how do we fix this so that we don't have

662
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: our managers calling our players with broken bones little babies,

663
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 2: because that's essentially what they've done the last two years.

664
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: Dusty Baker managed here, and I think everyone this should

665
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: maybe in absolute what's going on best? When Dusty Baker

666
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: managed here, he was a man in his mid seventies.

667
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: His his baseball acumen, and he knew exactly what he

668
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: was doing between the lines his base, his sharpness never faded,

669
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: He knew how to manage a game instill and probably

670
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: still could they let a man in his seventies go

671
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: and try to give us injury updates every day and

672
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, Like there were some

673
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: times where I don't think he would mix up players,

674
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: he would mix up injuries things. And it's at that

675
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: time where you're like, help the guy out, Like why

676
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: do you think he started saying the hippa stuff. He

677
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: started saying the hippa stuff to get us to shut up.

678
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: Like this, which is not real, by the way. I mean,

679
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: hippo is real, but that's not what hippa means.

680
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: No, of course it's not. But he got tired of

681
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: having to answer the questions every day when it could

682
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: have been easily remedied by I'm not even saying to

683
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: make the trainer available. I'm saying, hey, once every week

684
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: in the game notes, just put it down. Here's everyone's

685
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: on the il, here's what they're doing, here's what they're

686
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: doing for the next week, and here's where they'll be

687
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: by the next time. You get one of these like

688
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: this isn't that complicated and it and teams around the

689
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: league do it with managers that are forty years Dusty

690
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: Baker's young junior, Like they do it to get it

691
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: off their plates because these managers have enough to deal

692
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: with and when it comes to managing a clubhouse when

693
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: it comes to, you know, managing a game. When it

694
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: comes to that, they've got a lot on their plate.

695
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: They don't need this. In addition, like there are just

696
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: so many ways they could make this easier and they

697
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: just fail to do so. And it's something that I

698
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: think this is going to be the inflection point. I

699
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: think that they they can't go on like this like

700
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: this this weekend was an embarrassment for them. And I

701
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: don't think I'm you, I don't think that's hyperbole. Like

702
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: I had people from other teams. I had people that

703
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: cover other teams, people that work for other teams that

704
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: were inundating me with just like for lack of for

705
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, what the F is going

706
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: on there?

707
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: Yep, you know it was really good at his job

708
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: this week was from ber Valdez.

709
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeahs okay.

710
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 2: I had a question about that. I thought of Maddox

711
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 2: necessitated a shutout. I mean, it's not a real stat

712
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: first off, but I guess it's just a complete game

713
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: with under one hundred pitches. Yeah, allow that.

714
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think every I don't think it's

715
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: a shutout, but I'm gonna call it like that game

716
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: deserve to be if any game deserved to be amatics, that.

717
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 2: Game did unbelievable. That was h I mean, just start

718
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: to finish. He gives up a home run in the

719
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: first batter and you're like, uh oh, and then you

720
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: blink and it's the end of the game. He's thrown

721
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: eighty three pitches. I tweeted it, and I I texted

722
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: you guys too. He threw the exact same amount of

723
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: pitches as Ryan Guesso did the start before. In three

724
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: and two thirds innings. I believe he didn't have a

725
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: single inning where he needed more than twelve pitches.

726
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: He didn't go to a three ball count until the

727
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: ninth in insane. Uh.

728
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: He was unbelievable. And then to end it with a

729
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: walk off homer or two where first off, I don't

730
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 2: know if you guys asked this, would he have come

731
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: back out for the tenth? I feel like he would have, right.

732
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: Joe got asked in Spanish whether he would come back

733
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: out for the tenth. My Spanish is not great.

734
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: To see, is yes? I don't did you hear that?

735
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: He said he would not? He said he would not

736
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: have come back out for the time.

737
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: I don't believe that he would have come back out

738
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: for the tenth. That would have been awesome if that

739
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: had been quick inning get out of here. Why would

740
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: you now bring out your guy at eighty three. But

741
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with the he would have, but we

742
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: didn't have to hear about it because Janner Diaz hit

743
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: a one of the rare opposite field no doubters. I

744
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: mean he hit it and immediately pointed to the dugout.

745
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: Just awesome. I mean, what a great game. I'll remember

746
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: that one. There are certain games that stick in my

747
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: mind for whatever reason. One that I always think about

748
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: is that Twins Memorial Day game that the Astros came back. Yeah,

749
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: I always think about that game. I'm going to think

750
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: about this the other one that I think about a lot.

751
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: And this will mean nothing to you, but what, oh

752
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: my gosh, what am I blanking? I'm blanking on his name?

753
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: Now?

754
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: What was the lefty in like twenty fourteen for the

755
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: Astros that almost threw a no hitter and then the

756
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: Astros ended up losing?

757
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: But uh but.

758
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever doesn't matter at the point.

759
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: We did remember some guys in the last time.

760
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna find I'm gonna figure out while we're talking.

761
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: I will remember that game for a long time. He

762
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: was unbelievable.

763
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember there's the two that stick out

764
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: to me that I just random regular season games. I

765
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: remember Garrett Cole punched out sixteen in Arizona and that

766
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: was incredible, and then the other one did not go

767
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: into Astro's favor. It was like the day after they

768
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: made the Toro for Graveman deal in Seattle, and like

769
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: Toro's like second at bat as a Mariner came against

770
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: Astro Kendall Graveman and go ahead home run, I was like, oh,

771
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: that ad is just that's poetic. But you know fromber Was,

772
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen him. I've seen him throw a

773
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: no hitter, I've seen him come within one out of

774
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: another no hitter. I'm here to tell you that that

775
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: was the best he's ever That's the best I've ever

776
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: seen him. Pitch and Joe a spot Up pretty much

777
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: echoed that. After the game, it almost became like you

778
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: almost are wondering, like what are the rays? Like the

779
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: rays were swinging like at everything, and you almost are wondering,

780
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: like at some point revert to high school, like I'm

781
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: just like, hey, take till you get two strikes, like

782
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: take just just get his pitch count up, like get

783
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: in some sort of like well.

784
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: Especially when the Astros bullpen just was given out runs

785
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 2: like candy this weekend, like try to try to get

786
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 2: back there.

787
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: I think the thing that should have been very encouraged,

788
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: not that you need to be encouraged by Frombervell does.

789
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: He kind of is a known commodity at this point.

790
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: But he gives up that leadoff homer. And we have

791
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: seen with Fromer when he gives up hits. When he

792
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: gives when things go bad behind him, it tends to spiral.

793
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: Now he's gotten good at controlling the spiral. He's the

794
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: spiral now only lasts maybe two or three batters, where

795
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: in the past it would last three or four innings.

796
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: He he as Joe A. Spotts said after the game,

797
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: he got pissed off and said, no one else is

798
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: hitting me, and that was basically true. And then you

799
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: know the only he gave up two more hits. The

800
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: other one was the one of them was the one

801
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: that was the infield dribbler to walker that robber dropped

802
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: the ball. That was another one where you're like, oh, man,

803
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: like he's about to They're about to get five hits

804
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: in a row, and this is gonna go terribly And

805
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: in the ninth inning it almost did that too. Taylor

806
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: Walls hit the single and then he walked the guy

807
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: on four pitches and you're like, oh, here, here, it

808
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: goes here here. And the fact that that never came

809
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: gotta be encouraging. Not again, not that you need to

810
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: like measure fromber as like, oh this this is an

811
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: encouraging start, not you need to see growth, but like

812
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: it is good to see him be able to overcome

813
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: some adversity and not allow it to completely derail his outing.

814
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: And then on the other side is Hunter Brown was

815
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: terrible today and accidentally threw six innings of one hit

816
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: shut well. I didn't even realize he hadn't given up

817
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: a hit in the until they got one in the

818
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: sixth inning, because he was bad today, Like he had

819
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: no idea where that forest scene was going. Uh, but

820
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: he's so good that it didn't matter. Those are just

821
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: two aces, man, Like those are really really good pictures.

822
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 2: Apologies to ask his legend Eric Badard Eric Wow through

823
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: six and a third no hit innings, but gave up

824
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: three runs because he kept walking people and the astress

825
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 2: kept making errors and the Astros lost four to two.

826
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: Sounds very twenty fourteen Astras. All right, you did, you

827
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: did your share screen portion of the of the power.

828
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to do one for me, just so we

829
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: can marvel at Hunter Brown for a little bit. After

830
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 1: twelve starts, Hunter Brown is a one point eighty three

831
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: e r A. That is the that is the sixth

832
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 1: lowest e RA in Astro's history after six starts, after

833
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: twelve starts, excuse me, you're looking at the other five.

834
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: The names include Justin Verlander, Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens Jr.

835
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: Richard and Bob Nepper. He's pretty good. He's putting himself

836
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: in elite company and again the hallmark of an ace,

837
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: as we always used to say with Verlander, as I'm

838
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: sure they said about Clemens before I was a baseball

839
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: watching sentient person. Like the good thing that aces do

840
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: when they don't have their best stuff, they find a

841
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: way to get you through six or seven. That's what

842
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: Verlander was. So it still is so good at you

843
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: saw that from Hunter Brown today, like yep, through fifty

844
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: two percent strikes, walked the nine hole hitter like three times,

845
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: like was this was nowhere near his best stuff. The

846
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: Villo not Again, I'm not insinuating he's hurt, but the

847
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: Villo was not ninety eight ninety nine today. It was

848
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: ninety six ninety seven. Again, plenty enough to get the

849
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: job done, but just not the overpowering, dominant Hunter Brown

850
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: we've seen all season. He still had a no hitter

851
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: going into the fifth innay, and I mean just it was. Again,

852
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: the hallmark of an ACE is when you can show

853
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: up with not your best stuff and still do what

854
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: Hunter Brown did today and a game that they they

855
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: didn't need to win it, but it was. I mean,

856
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: they went seven and three on this homestand it wasn't

857
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: as if they were reeling, but after yesterday, after getting

858
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: your absolute doors blown off during the game and all

859
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Speaker 1: the dysfunction that happened before the game, it did feel

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Speaker 1: like that was a game that they kind of needed

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Speaker 1: to win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely felt that, especially like you said, after

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Speaker 2: having to just blowout losses, definitely felt like something that

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Speaker 2: they needed to take care of. And boy did they

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Speaker 2: They were. They were quite good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick. Jacob Melton's on the team now, good

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Speaker 1: for him m HM wrote a little bit about it.

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Speaker 1: We'll go up in the athletic tomorrow. I don't think

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Speaker 1: this is like a he's gonna play every day. I

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Speaker 1: think he's just kind of here as I think they're

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Speaker 1: gonna find. He's gonna get at bats. He's not gonna

872
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Speaker 1: be Stasar Sala's art. But their three outfielders are playing

873
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: too well right now for him to have a regular

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00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: outfield spot. He's not gonna play over camp Smith. He's

875
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: not gonna play over Jake Myers the way Jake Myers

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00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: is hitting, and he's not gonna obviously not gonna play

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Speaker 1: over jose Al Tuvey. But there will be days where

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00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: all two v's at second al two A DHS, they

879
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: can play Melton and one of the They're okay with

880
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: him playing in the corner, so may play some left field,

881
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: maybe get some d H at bats. He's a left

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Speaker 1: handed hitter. I don't know if you've seen one of

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Speaker 1: those in a while, Tyler, but he does hit from

884
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Speaker 1: he does hit from the left side. I've heard legends

885
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: of them, which will help. So I think he'll get

886
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Speaker 1: He'll get somewhat regular playing time. But I don't think

887
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Speaker 1: this is a situation where they've got a spot for

888
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: him and he's gonna be in the lineup every day.

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00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: I think this is going to be a very just

890
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: kind of mix and match using maybe to d H

891
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: one day, maybe to play one of the corners one

892
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: day if one of those guys needs a day off,

893
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: maybe to pick some spots with With Jake Myers, it

894
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: would be kind of cruel to play him on Tuesday,

895
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Speaker 1: his second big league game to be against Paul Skeens.

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00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: But excited, Uh yeah, yeah. So where did he go

897
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 2: to school?

898
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Speaker 1: Air Force Academy, Okay, Air Force Academy, And then he

899
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Speaker 1: went and then he he like went for a cup

900
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: of coffee at another school. That is pretty cool. The

901
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: weird thing about skiing. So he's pitched once against the

902
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Ash in his career. That was also the night that

903
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: the Ashers traded for Usa Kakuchi, so he picked up

904
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: Skeen's pitchip minute made park. There were so many all

905
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Speaker 1: the shoot people there, like it was like it was

906
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: the hottest ticket you can get. I don't think I

907
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: watched a pitch of that game because they traded for

908
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: USA Kakuchi literally like an hour before first pitch and

909
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: so I was just like making calls and writing and

910
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: writing about that, Like, I don't think I watched a

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00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: pitch Paul Skins through, So it will be nice to

912
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Speaker 1: actually watch him pitch and lock in and watch him

913
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Speaker 1: pitch against the Astros on Tuesday opposite Lance McCullers Junior.

914
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Speaker 1: So my good good luck Lance.

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Speaker 2: My dad and uncle are going to be up there.

916
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Speaker 2: So if you see someone balder who also looks like

917
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Speaker 2: me in the stands, uh wave to him. Uh do

918
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Speaker 2: you know who is uh first in the war leaderboard

919
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Speaker 2: this year in baseball?

920
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Speaker 1: Aaron Judge?

921
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Speaker 2: Good, guess do you know who is second? And what?

922
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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Baseball Baseball reference.

924
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Speaker 1: It's probably not Otani because he's only he's not doing

925
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Speaker 1: both is six? Whose second? I don't know. This dead

926
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Speaker 1: air is not good for podcasting, east O Paratus, I

927
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Speaker 1: don't know.

928
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Speaker 2: Jeremy Panna really yep. Good for Jeremy Page Payne. He's

929
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Speaker 2: a bet he's about pie Crow Armstrong, who I hear

930
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Speaker 2: about more than anyone else. Uh, people can't stop him,

931
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Speaker 2: can't stop talking about p c A. Uh. Jerem Payne

932
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Speaker 2: has been really good.

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Speaker 1: You'd probably you'd probably hear more about Jeremy Payne, if

934
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Speaker 1: the astros weren't you, if you answer somebody questions from

935
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Speaker 1: that article, distracting you by like like not being able

936
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Speaker 1: to reveal that their best hitter as a fracturers, this

937
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: is what we talked about, like that the stories should

938
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Speaker 1: be that Jeremy Payna is awesome, and that Hunter Brown's

939
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Speaker 1: got the six lowest c ra and franchises street after

940
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Speaker 1: twelve starts, and that Josh Hater's unhittable, like instead like this,

941
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Speaker 1: this is what's dominating the headline and as it should be,

942
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Speaker 1: because this is this is dumb. Like again, it's it's

943
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Speaker 1: just really dumb.

944
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Speaker 2: I'm with you, uh quip being pussy with Chandler's he's

945
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Speaker 2: asking everyone he can. Also, I just want to say

946
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Speaker 2: you're a really good writer. I really enjoyed your article

947
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Speaker 2: about the whole hand ringing. Am I right? It was

948
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Speaker 2: really good. That was one of those that I felt like, oh,

949
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: this is why like print journalism is important. The nuances

950
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: that you were able to get through in the story

951
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: that you wrote were really really good. Everyone should read Handler.

952
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Speaker 2: He's a very good writer.

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Speaker 1: Your check is in the mail. You can read me

954
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Speaker 1: this week from Pittsburgh, the greatest view in baseball with

955
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: decidedly not the greatest team in baseball on the field,

956
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: but the Astros may see the greatest pitcher in baseball

957
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: on the field on Tuesday when Paul Skeens pitches against

958
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: the Astros at PNC Park. I will be there, Tyler's

959
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Speaker 1: dad will be there. Tyler will not be there, but no,

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Speaker 1: we will be back at some point this week to

961
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: discuss Paul Skins, the Pirates, the Astros, and whatever other

962
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: injured member of the Astros what they figure out has

963
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Speaker 1: something wrong with him. You can follow me on x

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Speaker 1: at Chandler Underscore Room. You can follow Tyler at Tyler C. Stafford.

965
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Speaker 1: we go live, and as always, thank you for watching,

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening, and thank you for supporting. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you guys later.

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Speaker 2: Bye.