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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri back

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Speaker 2: with paulkud Dinars along with his book Faithful On to Death.

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Speaker 2: Paul tell us about the rainbow Bridge. What is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, the rainbow Bridge is something that a lot of

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Speaker 3: your listeners who have had pets probably have heard of

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Speaker 3: a social as they've passed on. The rainbow Bridge is

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Speaker 3: a fictional place where the animals wait for us, kind

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Speaker 3: of in a pre paradise, and the animals pass on

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Speaker 3: and they wait there, and then they wait for our

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Speaker 3: spirit to come and join them. The animals have you know,

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Speaker 3: they've died through illness or old age, but in this

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Speaker 3: paradisical place they are they're renewed to new vigor and youth.

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Speaker 3: And then our spirit meets up with them, and then

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Speaker 3: we cross over the rainbow bridge together into eternal paradise.

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Speaker 3: So we're with them forever.

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Speaker 2: Now, how do people get a hold of this rainbow bridge?

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Speaker 2: How do we tap into it?

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Speaker 3: Well, the rainbow bridge is kind of like I compare

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Speaker 3: it to a theological plug in. One of the problems

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Speaker 3: in Christianity is that there's been some bad, bad theology

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Speaker 3: which has led a lot of people to believe that

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Speaker 3: animals don't have souls, or they're not supposed to be,

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Speaker 3: they're not supposed to be offered eternal life the human

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Speaker 3: beings are. In fact, if you go back and you

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Speaker 3: look at the very earliest Christian scholars and the very

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Speaker 3: earliest Christian writings, no one ever denied souls to animals. Ever,

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Speaker 3: the question was just whether they had a soul that

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Speaker 3: was of the same nature as a human being, But

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Speaker 3: no one denied them a soul. When you think about this,

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Speaker 3: the idea that an animal would be denied paradise eternally

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Speaker 3: is bizarre because they were in paradise to begin with, right,

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Speaker 3: they were in the Garden of Eden. And who got

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Speaker 3: everyone kicked out of the Garden of Eden? The animals, no,

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Speaker 3: the humans did. If anyone deserves to be denied paradise,

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Speaker 3: it should be us. It was our transgression. The animals

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Speaker 3: made no transgression. They were in paradise to begin with.

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Speaker 3: They should be restored to paradise in the end. But

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Speaker 3: over time people have decided that human beings against this

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Speaker 3: kind of speciesism, that human beings have this superior soul,

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Speaker 3: and that animals somehow don't have a soul at all,

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Speaker 3: and this kind of bad theology has been passed down

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Speaker 3: and as they said, leading a lot of people to

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Speaker 3: believe that they won't meet up with their animals again.

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Speaker 3: And so the rainbow Bridge kind of came along as

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Speaker 3: a theological plug in that you could kind of put

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Speaker 3: into your belief system to allow you to regain your

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Speaker 3: pets company and to regain the company of your petaternally.

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Speaker 2: Now you covered a lot of burial sites in your book,

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Speaker 2: Faithful unto Death, tell us about that.

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Speaker 3: While I spent over a decade traveling around the world

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Speaker 3: looking at pet cemeteries and burial practices, from the very

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Speaker 3: very first urban pet cemeteries to temples in Asia, for instance,

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Speaker 3: where perform funerals for animals, some very beautiful rituals which

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Speaker 3: I was allowed to see, to these kind of specialty

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Speaker 3: cemeteries for animals I've already discussed. Some of my favorite

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Speaker 3: pet cemeteries wound up being, for instance, one in Helsinki.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful, these hand painted blocks of wood with pictures

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Speaker 3: of the animals and notes from the owners out in

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Speaker 3: the forest. Looks like a pet Cemetery from the Lord

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Speaker 3: of the Rings down into South America where I was

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Speaker 3: finding glass dog houses for past on pets with little

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Speaker 3: mannikins of the dogs inside of them. Really any number

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Speaker 3: of variations, but all dedicated to this one, this one

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Speaker 3: main truth, which is that animals that have given us

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Speaker 3: our love in the end, in the end, they deserve

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Speaker 3: that love returned to them at the time of their

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Speaker 3: greatest need when they're passing. And it's something that is

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Speaker 3: different as we are no matter where we are, there

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Speaker 3: may be a different way of expressing it, but people

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Speaker 3: universally believe this.

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Speaker 2: Do Most people who bury a pet out of pet

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Speaker 2: Harry go back and visit the yearly you have twice

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Speaker 2: a year. How often.

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Speaker 3: That depends. It certainly depends on the person. I've met

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Speaker 3: people who are coming every day. I've met people who

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Speaker 3: And I've met some people who just bury them and

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Speaker 3: they might go back once a year, they might not

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Speaker 3: go back at all. It really depends on the individual.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, what's it costs for a funeral, again.

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Speaker 3: It depends on the pet cemetery. It might cost five

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars might cost more. Remember alike with a human being,

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Speaker 3: it's going to depend on the accouterments, right, whether you

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Speaker 3: want a very grand stone or whether you want a

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Speaker 3: small stone covering it or a stone at all.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good point, and it's all optional, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That's right. And remember, as I already said, there's a

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Speaker 3: great variation on the kinds of pet cemeteries. I live

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Speaker 3: number of pet cemeteries on public land where you can

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Speaker 3: go and bury your pet for free. They're just off

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Speaker 3: the grid pet cemeteries. People go bury their pet for

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Speaker 3: free and they make their own handmade memorial. They're very

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Speaker 3: touching places, and there's no cost at all.

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Speaker 2: Outside of the United States, how do they react with

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Speaker 2: their own pets that have passed.

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Speaker 3: On, Well, again, it depends on the culture. Any number

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Speaker 3: the standard pet cemetery model that looks like a miniature

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Speaker 3: version of a human cemetery. But it's in the local

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Speaker 3: variations that you get the real difference. You get the

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Speaker 3: really interesting stuff. So I mentioned some ceremonies that they

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Speaker 3: had gone to for pets. In Asia, there is, for instance,

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Speaker 3: a temple in Bangkok, and there every Buddhist temple kind

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Speaker 3: of has a charitable program or charitable outreach, and this

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Speaker 3: whose pets have passed on the night before, and they'll

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Speaker 3: coffin and they'll sit the owners down and they'll formst ceremony.

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Speaker 3: They'll say it. They'll you know that monks will read

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Speaker 3: an oration and they'll stand over the animal's death, rub

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Speaker 3: the animal's body with flowers, and say an oration over

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Speaker 3: the animal. And then they'll they'll take the pet's body

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Speaker 3: to a crematory that's right there on the temple grounds.

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Speaker 3: They'll cremate it there, and then the owner has a

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Speaker 3: ashes to the rivers. Very beautiful and I think it's

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Speaker 3: much more healthy than what we do in the United States,

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Speaker 3: because it helps them. That kind of ceremony, helps provide

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Speaker 2: Do you have some strange stories you want to share

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Speaker 3: I have as many strange stories as you have time.

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Speaker 3: You want the strangest one, well you want, okay, you

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Speaker 3: want one of the strangest ones of all with involving

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Speaker 3: a very famous animal, rent in Tin, Yeah, why not? Okay?

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Speaker 3: So you know who rent in ten is, right?

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Speaker 2: The famous movie, the German shepherd movie Dog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the actor, yeah, Rin Tintin. For those who aren't familiar,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure most people are, but he is probably still

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Speaker 3: know if you know this. George, he won the first oscar.

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Speaker 3: Academy sent its accountants back and said, well, retabulate and

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Speaker 3: in the future if we give the first one to

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Speaker 3: a dog. Anyway, he was that biggest star. He dies

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Speaker 3: in the nineteen thirties. He was owned by a guy

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Speaker 3: named Lee Duncan. Lee Duncan had been a soldier and

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Speaker 3: he had found Rentintin as a puppy in France because

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Speaker 3: he had been he had been born in a German

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Speaker 3: the movies. He becomes the biggest star in Hollywood. Then

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Speaker 3: Duncan's backyard in Beverly Hills. Okay, pretty normal story. Now, well,

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Speaker 3: his grave happens to be in Paris, which is okay.

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Speaker 3: Why is this dog's grave in Paris when he was

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Speaker 3: buried in Duncan's backyard. The story has always been because

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Speaker 3: Rentinton was born in France, Duncan must have sent him

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Speaker 3: ode to French patrimony to be buried in Paris, even

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Speaker 3: though he may have been born in France. But it

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Speaker 3: was a German war dog. It sounds a little suspicious. Plus,

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Speaker 3: remember I have a background in death studies. You can't,

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Speaker 3: I know, you can't just send a body of a

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Speaker 3: dog in the mail to another country. There is no

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Speaker 3: record of that body ever being mailed to France, no

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Speaker 3: no record of it ever being received in Paris, and

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Speaker 3: no record at the cemetery of any correspondence with Lee Duncan.

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Speaker 3: So there's absolutely no record of how this dog's body

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Speaker 3: this was you know, this is a story. It's got

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Speaker 3: This is a pet cemetery in Paris. The world's most

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Speaker 3: famous dog. What I found? You wanted a weird story.

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Speaker 3: This is absolutely fascinating. Yeah, yea, So how does he

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Speaker 3: to the story in a French movie magazine in the

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Speaker 3: there was an article in a movie magazine about the

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Speaker 3: not the American Rin Tin Tin. It turned out that

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Speaker 3: named him Rin Tin Tin. They had actually gotten him

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Speaker 3: a couple couple of minor roles in movies. Obviously, this

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Speaker 3: He claimed that his rent In Tin was the son

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Speaker 3: a con men to begin with. Right, What this story

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Speaker 3: buried in exactly that pet cemetery. So I went back

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Speaker 3: and I looked at all the old photos. The gravestone

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Speaker 3: it was just a little plaque that said here lies

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Speaker 3: the good rent Tin Tin. It was Teddy me Show's

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Speaker 3: dog that was buried in Paris, not the American rent Intent.

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Speaker 3: That's why there's no record of Rentinton having been sent

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Speaker 3: to France. Never was. But all these tourist guides to

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Speaker 3: it's like all these websites about sites to see in

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Speaker 3: Paris will tell you can go to the Old Dog

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Speaker 3: the world. And all these dog lovers and these movie

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Speaker 3: the good dog, and people are like, hey, did you

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Speaker 3: They've got the most famous dog in the entire world

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, they probably took the gravestone

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because Duncan lost the house through for foreclosure the

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Speaker 3: Well, those dogs and there there was last and then

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Speaker 3: So they were buried on his ranch. But there is

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